Orchestra In A Microsecond: Ciat-Lonbarde Clicker

Jan St.Werner of Mouse on Mars and Peter Blasser of Ciat-Lonbarde worked together on a very unusual synthesizer. Rather than creating lush textures, it is meant to excite and play acoustic spaces. Clicker compresses and expands a rich spectrum derived from "Ringlers", a new take on Rob Hordijks "Rungler". Originally made for an exhibition it is now a standalone instrument. The whole concept intrigued me deeply, and as a fan of both their work I invited both of them to my studio for a chat. If found the resulting conversation so interesting I decided not to edit it down too much, only taking out the odd interruption. So strap in for an hour of deep synth, music and art nerdery.
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[@Musicninja007]

Thank you for this, herr Heinbach. The more longform documentation of this man's philosophy we have, the better

[@harshrealm]

It must be a real party when Peter goes through airport security.

[@Projacked1]

[@sytsew]

@@Projacked1 And then having to explain why the wiring of the modulations have kinks in them (@45:09) with the line waiting

[@FemiFleming]

This is absolutely incredible! I’m doing my thesis in architecture on experimental sound and acoustics as a ritual practice and this is great research content ! Very inspiring.

[@ryanv6117]

I think we'd all love to read this when you're finished! please publish it when it's ready!

[@drwiener]

Please share! 🎉🎉🎉

[@andrewsharpley4984]

I once went to a mediaeval chapel in France which had a very long reverb built into it - instead of the ''confessional' - a separate box - the penitent stood in one corner, and the dry sound travelled over the arch and reached the priest in the other corner. They could hear each other precisely, but anyone passing through the main body of the room only heard the mush of reverb, not the words.

[@AlexWootton]

Really loved this. Would happily listen in on any more conversations like this you happen to record. Super interesting, insightful, and inspiring. Thank you all 🙏

[@wilhelmmatthies5921]

I agree, I felt like the 4th person in the room, listening to an engaging conversation.

[@ieat3141592]

Well done! Loved the discussion and enjoyed the format to let it breathe. The sounds were incredible and fit in nicely to the Ciat Lonbarde world.

[@micheleisoni]

I really liked this new format! I hope to see more in the future! Thanks for your work

[@Toile3301]

This was the most interesting and inspiring piece of content I saw since a long time :o

[@KristofferLislegaard]

"Very different video than I usually make" - Feel free to make more like this!

[@juliantaylor5956]

You guys are so passionate about this and it's truly inspiring

[@SoundsMick]

so far lovely video really happy you kept the whole conversation in this.

[@drwiener]

Likewise! Such a flow!!!

[@T.H.W.O.T.H]

Couldn't tear myself away from this one H. Fascinating. Thx

[@josipvulic5471]

You have a wonderful thing going here, where your guests sit and converse all that is synth, music, and creator driven. Loved listening to all the stories.

[@drwiener]

Likewise!!! Thank you Hainbach for exciting the conversation.

[@cablevamp3163]

Peter Blasser is literally not of this world The guy is unbelievable

[@sawtoothwave]

What an awesome conversation. I've been watching your videos and listening to your music, Hainbach, for 5 years now, and I've been listening to Mouse on Mars for over 25. One of the coolest live performances I've ever seen was in spring of 2018, finding out that Mouse on Mars were debuting a 32-speaker live-installation version of Dimensional People at a small venue literally 1 block from where I was living at the time. Servo-driven drumsticks playing snares and cymbals along with the recorded and digital elements from the album all filled the space in a way that absolutely tracks with what Jan is expressing in this video. Thank you for sharing this whole thing!

[@drwiener]

Lovely to hear your story! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@kirkyoung4147]

I think this is my new fav Hainbach vid, so much inspiration to be found within

[@kenschestok9515]

amazing interview!! I feel like you guys are in my head in undergrad art school/ post undergrad poor in the real world circa the late 90s-early 00s and yet also in the "now" ... now that I understand it all so much better ,appreciate it and can verbalize what it is thatI could not back in the day... still working on the how to make it sound nowadays but having a blast! thank you Peter, Jan and Hainbach and everyone else behind the scenes that make these things & push the boundaries of sound and our human understanding!

[@the_washington_monument_am9714]

Very grateful to have the privilege to listen to this meeting of three incredible minds 😊😊😊

[@drwiener]

Legendary collaboration, right?

[@the_washington_monument_am9714]

@ damn right!

[@LeRoy9000]

More long form chats like this please

[@edgarm6017]

The single malt synthesis episode with Peter is super fun too

[@MichaelB-xi1hk]

You guys are so freaking cool. You all are smart and interesting. I really enjoyed being a fly on your wall. Great job!

[@Keepjamn]

this was such an interesting conversation, you 3 could have a great podcast lol

[@chrisbliss7130]

Once again, Peter definitely is able to see the matrix. I am in awe about his way to make, draw and describe things.

[@Gonzophysicist82]

Thanks you answered at the end of the video. Brilliant video

[@JonMurray]

This was lovely man. Thanks for sharing the conversation.

[@TangoDelta70]

Oh wow! So Awesome! Thanks for sharing with us!

[@DRRNNDGL]

Absolutely fascinating interview. As someone else said, that hour went by like nothing. Had only peered into Jan's installation work in the form of instagram clips with the sound off 😂 assumed he was playing compositions through the directional speakers rather than impulses, never considered anything like that and now absolutely fascinated with the concept. Thx hainbach

[@blackcookies]

Excellent talk. Great to hear such motivated and borders breaking artists. Thank you for mentioning Achim Szepanski and whole Click & Cuts movement!

[@sytsew]

And glad to see the Steim spirit somehow remains alive too!

[@MrGREYMATTERS]

For me, what really makes CL instruments Shine is when processed through effects pedals and virtual effects. The last four minutes of the video points this out via acoustic environments. I appreciate this deep dive into the realization of an idea!

[@airwindows]

If you bounce the grains off washboard-like surfaces at different angles you'll get an acoustic ring modulator effect. The surfaces, especially the textures, will do astonishing things with your new synthesizer :)

[@CupolaFraming]

Brilliant loved this the discussion on theory was so enlightening my brain is now fizzing with ideas

[@HipNerd]

46:14 Peter invented his own circuit diagramming!! And, it's beautiful. Mind blown.

[@JohnMcNeilObsessiveLearner]

So many new concepts. My brain is full and rewiring itself as I write this. I am delighted

[@Projacked1]

A very inspiring talk, and food for tought in finding new ways of sound (travelling) This was brilliant.

[@drwiener]

Likewise even as a first hand experience of the collaboration, it is so nice to see the conversation on collaboration. Such wonderful things happen when. Worlds u nite!!!

[@markwilliamson6884]

always cool to hear Peter Blasser talking about his work - fascinating to hear Jan St Werner too - (I was into mouse on mars back in the ancient history of the 'clicks and cuts' days ;-) I really need to catch up on his work). More videos like this for sure :-)

[@READYdot]

I actually understand electronics and synthesis way better when Peter explains them. I love his organic approach of electronics!!!

[@JasonStayanchi]

I love listening to Peter describe his designs! Thanks!

[@mikenoface]

I remember seeing Peter in the Circuit Bending documentary. "Put your spit into it..." (the circuit). "Rewire the organism and make it bleed differently" . So cool to see how far he's come.

[@stefangieck2914]

Very nerdy, very arty, love it.

[@janhrdmn]

I would love to see chats like this about the ideas and thoughts behind other instruments by Peter. It gives one the impression of having an idea to understand what's going on.

[@palmettopedals]

Super rad to hear about a renaissance of the LM3900 chip. I ended up with a handful of them recently and made a guitar distortion/fuzz pedal with them to try and understand how they work. Looking forward to playing around with them in DIY synth circuits - not surprisingly they were used in PAIA designs back in the day. Excellent conversation!

[@pinkville]

I've been reflecting for some time about creating an exhibition that deals with some relations between music/sound and architecture. For example, I'd thought of Ellen Furman, whose long string instrument is about architecture that generates music. And now this. This is perfect!

[@ricjenner1120]

I remember that the lm3900 was used in a lot of Ray Wilson’s synth designs. Now I want to buy some and start breadboarding!

[@degradedecho8397]

wonderful interview!

[@raoulvanherpen9620]

very inspiring conversation, thanks a lot!

[@-umbrarium]

Great conversation and insight that triggers inspiration waves all over the brain-board. Greetings from Macedonia!

[@pugix]

Very interesting discussion. Loved Peter's thoughts about naming. I'm really looking forward to what he comes up with for the LM3900 chip.

[@oddObjekt]

I'd love more long form discussions like these.

[@ryanv6117]

awesome video! really inspiring ideas!

[@themincingninjapoofsawayli898]

It's a box for creating audio holographs. Like the colourful 3d images but in sound. Very cool concept. I'd love to explore some old abandoned buildings with one :)

[@chateaudisco1436]

i could listen to Peter for eternity

[@RPS3000]

Der heilige Werner.Das Video am Schluss ist am besten : )

[@fonitronik]

Just for information: Serge still uses the LM3900 Norton amps where appropriate today.

[@LeRoy9000]

Brilliant idea

[@immersiveworlds]

Brilliant video.

[@derekcrockett6214]

Dude, that green and gold is bangin'.

[@m_r2215]

Just read that peter worked as an apprentice for don buchla in the early 2000s. Would love to hear a longform interview with him like this one on his experiences with don

[@RudigerMeyer_]

Wonderful! 😊

[@teenageoperator7246]

holy shit! fantastic!

[@andreasschmelas]

Oh, I would love to have this added to the IFM collection of modules!

[@drwiener]

Just rock it standalone with adapter cables :)

[@M.EdwardBorasky]

I was hoping you'd make a demo of this! I just saw it and had no idea what it sounds like.

[@M.EdwardBorasky]

P.S.: I wish I had gotten a chance to attend one of Peter's workshops when he was here in Portland.

[@d42kn355]

Mmmmm excited.

[@edda673]

Rob Hordijk!! We miss him greatly!....

[@NaniMoose]

I see you back there, Elektron SID Station.

[@cablevamp3163]

The German dude is deep as hell I could listen to him talk for hours

[@patchpoint4043]

A Legend!

[@revolutronic]

aren´t they all german?

[@patchpoint4043]

@@revolutronic Peter is from the USA

[@revolutronic]

@@patchpoint4043 oh i just assumed because he has a very classic german name

[@harshrealm]

Time to take the clicker to some of the bunkers on the Normandy coast. Those concrete spaces always contain such wild acoustic worlds.

[@drwiener]

Please share with us ❤

[@harshrealm]

@drwiener back at you! I'm on the West coast of Canada. There is an amazing concrete fortification down in Washington state I've been wanting to go capture some sound in.

[@christianlewislyon]

Vision in sound is “auditory hallucination”

[@RudigerMeyer_]

Love that schematic 😊

[@drwiener]

It’s so beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤

[@immersiveworlds]

I’m just imagining a synthesizer based on Deleuze! 1000 Plateaus! 🎉

[@robertclements5423]

Thanks!

[@clef-is-futile]

would love to see this instrument paired with a spectraphon… these short impulses would be great for generating new arrays

[@QUILLWYRM]

In before Peter Blasser makes a crazy reverb based on these spatial sound discussions.

[@gladlawson61]

The first time I heard a ciat londard product that actually sounds like it isn't broken.

[@che7969]

would be great to have these as a podcast

[@jwiener1948]

Awesome instrument.

[@lowrentcyborg]

29:20 Maryanne Amacher mentioned / was thinking of her work throughout this conversation

[@shinseusagi224]

Awesome as ever... i.m lovin the deep dive.. i got my snorkel out 😂.. (btw the modelQ2 appeared on my feed on here and it seemed right up ur street. (Banana jacks and a chaos thst was build for u to bring order to) would love to get ur feedback on it. I.ll drop the link on here in the attached comment when i find it. Thank you and moin! from HH ⚓️

[@Hainbach]

Moin moin!

[@drwiener]

Snorkel vibes!!!! Thank u🎉🎉🎉

[@shinseusagi224]

On my third watch... pure joyce--ish alchemy.

[@b.slocumb7763]

Have you ever recorded someone skipping a stone over a frozen lake and used something like that in your work? It’s such an amazing sound, and I’m sure is different in different locations depending on the landscape like if there are hills or boulders or open space around it. Maybe even recording the sound on the opposite side of the lake in comparison to recording it in the location of the rock-skipper. Then if you had that on tape and put it through all the different devices you have. Oh! That seems like it would be wonderful to play with! And maybe setting up microphones all over the ice itself and catching the skips as they pass by! 😮😊

[@sytsew]

Get Jana Winderen for the mics under and in the ice

[@harshrealm]

It would be interesting to use a microphone as the impulse/trigger, with some sort of variable threshold to trigger it (like the button on the Clicker). That way you could tap the case/mic to act as a button or say, clap your hands, or use the echoes within the acoustic space you're operating within to re-trigger the clicker. Really inspiring! (3rd comment 😅)

[@chameleonblockstudios]

I think it would be cool to send the clicker's output to a transducer on random objects. Maybe you can play with objects as well as spaces

[@rrrobart9]

So cool!

[@tomahzo]

Fascinating! :D

[@sssnacksss]

FYI- i turned captions on and around 20:00 during the Biennale video the caption AI correctly interpreted the synth sounds as “(music)” (in brackets) but at one point interpreted the synth as the english word “is”.(!)

[@wonderdaz4030]

More like this ❤

[@IanSchopa]

I noticed Hainbach using a SQ-1 to sequence the clicker with some adapter cables. Do you also need a cable connecting ground or is two cables enough?

[@GhostKitchenBand]

Is audiation the right word? In his autobiography, Salvador Dali talks about how he would spend hours and days looking through an elaborate telescopic device onto a blank canvas so he could imagine all the details of his vision, how they would fit onto the physical medium, and impress a fully constructed image into his memory. After this time-consuming ritual, he only had the technique of applying paint to canvas. Kind of like paint by numbers or tracing. I’ve always wondered what word covers this concept for sound. Composers do this all the time

[@sytsew]

But somehow this seems like the total opposite of what is mentioned in the conversation here, around @39:00, the score (as prescription or full-fledged but unmaterialized idea) coming after the emergence of sound

[@immersiveworlds]

I’m wondering if it will interface with a Double Knot in terms of voltage?

[@LeRoy9000]

I would call it an unfolder

[@sytsew]

Strange serendipity: few days ago I came across Yoko Ono's One (aka Match; 1966) which shows a match being lit in super slow motion, revealing all the shapes and stages happening in that tiny moment (on human scale). And yesterday the KZbin dog threw me another bone: ultrasonic sound exploration (look up Iftah Gabbai), revealing all the rich sounds that are in, say, a nail dropped to the floor. "Unfolder" works; I'd like something of the idea of spatially distributed reflecting in it. In Dutch, "kets" (= bounce, but somehow fro a harder surface) has a nice ring perhaps. the German "Strich" (stroke, like of a match) I also like - but it suggest too long a sound :)

[@Shaderdiceblock]

I like synthesis

[@codexstudios]

Agreed

[@eandresc]

Based

[@AetherEar]

Facts

[@bruxizme]

it'd be nice to contact mic the piano to try get the clicker volume a bit down...

[@GRIFFARTCENTER]

More!

[@Autistic_Artist]

I miss my sidrassi organus. I never recovered from it being stolen 😢❤

[@Hainbach]

That sucks

[@RPS3000]

Jan St. ❤

[@sohndervenus]

57:13 Beautiful! ❤

[@0neTwo0neTwo]

42:08 thoughts on what pB means by "deleusian synthesizer" ?? prob didnt spell that correctly

[@Hainbach]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Deleuze

[@0neTwo0neTwo]

@@Hainbachthank you sir Happy Holidays 🍻

[@0neTwo0neTwo]

29:21 anyone know the artist being referred to here after la monte young, is it "anna mashi" or something like that?? I cant get it clear....thanks!

[@ItsAllHilar]

Maryanne Amacher

[@0neTwo0neTwo]

@@ItsAllHilar thank you!

[@smuff73]

It’s Christopher Haworth. (No ‘r’) Also its Marcin not Martin Apologies for not catching it the first time

[@christianlewislyon]

Also a vision in sound is “Clairaudience”

[@syverjove]

It’s so weird how many things share my surname…motorcycles, anti-virus, op amps…yet I have no idea if they were created by actual family.

[@drwiener]

😂 check the tree

[@chateaudisco1436]

you had me at Mouse on......

[@curtishoffmann6956]

This is why I can't have nice toys. No, wait, this is the kind of toy I'm not allowed to have. Yeah, like that.

[@QUILLWYRM]

ah yes cursive op amps, fantastic, insane.