Dr. Zarev Podcast- This is How He Gets High Graft Counts

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Hair Transplant Network

Hair Transplant Network

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I have had you guys asking me for this podcast for two years. Well, here it is, one of the most awaited podcast guests. Dr. Zarev has built a reputation for having gigasession hair transplants with 12K plus grafts. I asked him all of the hard questions. How does he know he's not extracting outside the safe zone. Why doesn't he use microscopes, what's his approach to surgery, does he require his patients to take medication, and will he develop his tool and train other doctors.
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@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
This podcast was 2 years in the making. If you appreciate the work, and want to support the channel. Please do me a favor and like, comment and share the video, so it gets to more people in the algorithm ❤
@fdo211185
@fdo211185 Жыл бұрын
Is the video still from two years ago? Too bad we haven't yet trained other surgeons to perform his technique.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
It’s not from two years ago, it took me 2 years to organize the podcast. Dr. Zarev is extremely busy.
@fdo211185
@fdo211185 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork Ah ok! Carrying out all the phases of the operations I imagine that the Doctor's days are pretty full! Are there other surgeons using similar extraction systems? I know that Eugenix used a vacuum system similar to Zarev's but has discontinued use. Are there other clinics trying to develop something similar? As also said by the Doc. The secret of so many extractions is precisely the system it uses. I also imagine that he didn't build it himself, it's possible that some other doctor didn't buy it.
@darthnoid
@darthnoid Жыл бұрын
That repair job...just wow. Dr. Zarev changed that man´s life. He´s a genius.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Amazing repair
@TheMilkdrinker
@TheMilkdrinker Жыл бұрын
0.45mm punch size is bonkers. No wonder he can get so many grafts with so little scarring. This is the next level of FUE
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I’m sure the tool he developed makes a big difference. 0.45 on a regular punch will transect the graft.
@fdo211185
@fdo211185 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork Il segreto è oltre le qualità innate del dottore è il sistema che utilizza per le estrazioni.
@BARON.SAMEDI.
@BARON.SAMEDI. 27 күн бұрын
​@@fdo211185...next time English please.. Thanks.
@JRob86
@JRob86 Жыл бұрын
I could watch hours of this. Amazing, great work! Thanks Melvin
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I’ll try this format out with some more surgeons
@oncall21
@oncall21 Жыл бұрын
Excellent questions Melvin. 👏
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adrian
@JuanCarlosLTO
@JuanCarlosLTO Жыл бұрын
You really knocked out of the park with this one man! I can listen to Dr Zarev for hours. Very interesting personality, even enigmatic. One of my favorite doctors in the world. Very good interview and good job with the editing: you kept it moving and to the point.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. Do you prefer these edited versions? Rather than the live ones.
@JuanCarlosLTO
@JuanCarlosLTO Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork I do! This is your best interview to date. I hope the algorithms play in your favor so this very video takes your channel to the next level. I’ve been following Zarev’s work for years now and I’m glad he’s on your channel because from what I’ve heard he’s pretty busy putting hair on people’s head
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
@@JuanCarlosLTO It’s 2 years in the making to get this done. I agree, I thought it was helpful to be interactive. But this format is to the point and easy to follow. Not to mention preparing cases is best and the screen share makes a big difference.
@delriver77
@delriver77 11 ай бұрын
This is incredible. Could this guy be the best hair surgeon to ever live?
@sithounetsith9877
@sithounetsith9877 11 ай бұрын
Top 3, even without his advanced tools .
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f 10 ай бұрын
​@@sithounetsith9877who do you know that can match him? His waiting list is for too long
@Silverpump
@Silverpump 5 ай бұрын
​@@sithounetsith9877who are the other 2 guys?
@clarkkent5318
@clarkkent5318 Ай бұрын
He is, no one can compete !
@Merth667
@Merth667 Жыл бұрын
This guy is a wizard.
@BARON.SAMEDI.
@BARON.SAMEDI. 27 күн бұрын
Yes, he's using black magic and I was informed, that he made a contract with the devil, to become the worlds biggest expert in hair transplantation. It's a magic, fuckin' voodoo magic ! ps; you better believe it,...I am a expert in this subjebt! 💀👍🏻
@TheMilkdrinker
@TheMilkdrinker Жыл бұрын
I have to say I prefer the longer form, live podcasts.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I think I’m going to put a poll. Everyone has told me they prefer this format.
@Xvc2345
@Xvc2345 Жыл бұрын
I had a conversation with Dr Zarev a couple of years ago, he mentioned that he does not need microscopes to sort singles, doubles and so on. Are microscopes really necessary as he mentioned he uses fine single grafts for softness. I ask the question as Joe tilman says it’s a crucial part of sorting the grafts in a video I seen of his years back. Either way Dr Zarev truly the goat of transplants. No question. Melvin, brilliant you got this podcast set up!
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I don't believe in dogma. In general, microscopes are necessary to sort grafts. However, that doesn't mean one surgeon can get excellent natural results without microscopes. I think the proof is in the pudding.
@ipak2010
@ipak2010 3 ай бұрын
Did you end up getting the transplant?
@a-man2530
@a-man2530 11 ай бұрын
Wow Melvin, you got another big one here. This guy is probably one of the greatest hair restoration surgeons ever, and he is so young yet. He is definately a dream doctor of mine too.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 11 ай бұрын
He's fantastic. I have many more top-notch guests scheduled.
@Brandon-ex8ui
@Brandon-ex8ui Жыл бұрын
One of the best hair loss podcasts ever
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
🙏
@madhav-dass
@madhav-dass Жыл бұрын
Dr Zarev is the perfect doctor for doing Verteporfin trail, he maps and documents every inch of the scalp before and after surgery. So he will be able to scientifically be able to measure verteporfin's affects.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I don’t know he seems to found a method that works for him. I don’t think he’d be interested if I’m honest.
@madhav-dass
@madhav-dass Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork Earlier Dr Bisanga said there needs to be a way to "measure" after results of Verterporfin. I think Dr Zarev does measure the donor before and after. This is what Dr Bisanaga was.talking about.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
@@madhav-dass Yes, but his method is working well in terms of scarring and he’s able to restore a high amount of grafts without it. So I don’t think he’d be motivated to start a trial. But I do feel we can improve and be meticulous in the new ones with Pittella and Barghouthi
@amirnouri3213
@amirnouri3213 3 ай бұрын
Melvin please try it because if you could convince him it will bring verteporfin forward in terms of it's working or not additionally for the sake of donor regenaration it's worth it, could be the final cure we all want
@h.princetv8236
@h.princetv8236 Жыл бұрын
Him and Munib Ahmad are the very best, hands down. Great podcast!
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
They’re both excellent doctors.
@hmdwn
@hmdwn Ай бұрын
Either this guy is the absolute best of the best or, it's all marketing talk.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Ай бұрын
Its not marketing, look at my podcast with his patient.
@clarkkent5318
@clarkkent5318 Ай бұрын
He is the best of the best tbh !! Never seen that.
@ngsh007
@ngsh007 15 күн бұрын
Zarev is a god
@fdo211185
@fdo211185 Жыл бұрын
Grazie Dottor Zarev per quello che fai! é fantastico!
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
sì, sono d'accordo, è fantastico
@lucri988
@lucri988 Жыл бұрын
Seems very good. Like so many good doctors in Europe they seem very competent but the price is just too much for me sadly. If you can afford these doctors I say go for it
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
There’s always options for those on a tight budget. HDC in Cyprus charges 2 euros per graft, very affordable
@lucri988
@lucri988 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork Thats true! But then you tamper on the result (if you arent doing a minor fix) which is always precarious. Like me, i need to do the temporal peaks and even lower than that. And temporal peaks (the sides of the forehead) is difficult! If I had the money I would go for the established doctors and get a very good result rather than getting a result for a life time Im not happy with. Like getting a tattoo.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
@@lucri988 Well, HDC is a top-clinic. So I doubt you’d get a bad result. But I understand your apprehension. You could always save up.
@lucri988
@lucri988 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork I see. Would they be recommended when it comes to temporal peaks? Those are usually said to be difficult to get correct. Choosing right hair, angle etc. Other than that I will probably just need ca 1500 grafts for hairline as I only have only slight receding hairline. Like a mature hairline. But my forehead is quite curved, giving a lot of forehead look. I appreciate the feedback! Im a member of the site and go there to read up and get inspired :)
@iDTecKt
@iDTecKt 8 ай бұрын
Hair transplant GOD! 🤙
@zeethree
@zeethree 8 ай бұрын
I'm pretty certain that if you combined this small punch size tool with verteporfin you could have nearly unlimited hair.
@peterlustig7168
@peterlustig7168 Жыл бұрын
the norwood reaper hates this man
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
🤣
@anthonyabba7603
@anthonyabba7603 3 ай бұрын
i think dr.Zarev and Dr. Pradeep/Eugenix clinic have the best hair lines results of all ....
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 3 ай бұрын
They’re both exceptional
@BARON.SAMEDI.
@BARON.SAMEDI. 27 күн бұрын
I guess his first patience were either some middle clasw test patients or very rich individuals! I checked the waitng time and you have to wait really long to get a hairtansplantation date. Also checked recently the consultation and operation prices and they are astronomical ! For some millionaires or V.I.Ps affordable,...but for the average joe's its simply way too expensive!!!!!
@clarkkent5318
@clarkkent5318 25 күн бұрын
Even 10 years ago 3/4 euros per graft was too expensive already for bulgarians average wage. So he was operating upper class/celebrities from his country. Until mid 2k23 you had the opportunity to get 5 euros per graft which is fair for the best in the world.
@vlassisbiamis5912
@vlassisbiamis5912 Жыл бұрын
Melvin have you proposed Dr Zarev to conduct a verteporfin trial??
@artismyname4856
@artismyname4856 Жыл бұрын
The best in the game nowadays!He literally changed my life!I was somewhere between NW6 and NW7!Done 2 surgeries.The first one was like 10 years ago and the second one was like 3 years maybe,and i need one more just to dence my vertex and maybe something for the hairlane somewhere between 1000 and 2000 grafts!But at this point i dont need it at all cause i like my hair very much!In total i have like nearly 10k grafts and i have 1500-2000grafts in future without using beard grafts at all!
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Can you please share your experience on the Hair Restoration Network? Your case would be fascinating to follow
@artismyname4856
@artismyname4856 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork What more can i share?Pictures are in Zarevs PC i have only pics on my laptop after the surgery!
@movilandroide7374
@movilandroide7374 10 ай бұрын
Do you take finasteride or dutasteride?
@artismyname4856
@artismyname4856 10 ай бұрын
@@movilandroide7374 NO!Only minoxidil with 0.1 percent finasteride!Only topical!
@a.s.2426
@a.s.2426 3 ай бұрын
@artismyname4856 Wow! I’m NW6-7 right now. What NW did Zarev get you back to with the surgeries if I might ask? Any deficiencies in his approach surface over the years?
@amithaiyappa1
@amithaiyappa1 Жыл бұрын
Which brand of hair colour do yu suggest after hair transplant
@ArchMage7
@ArchMage7 Жыл бұрын
Do you think zarev has the best hairline designs or go to others for that specific purpose?
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Hairlines are subjective, designs vary. But he is very good. I really like Dr. Konior, Hasson, Sethi, Bisanga, De Freitas, Munib, to name a few others.
@joedimaggio3146
@joedimaggio3146 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic work, Melvin. Dr. Zarev is an impressive surgeon
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
🙏
@bogdanbackup
@bogdanbackup 11 ай бұрын
If one goes outside of the safe zone (say below the occipital area) of the donor, there are still chances that this hair will remain implanted, because it wouldn't ultimately have fallen at all? You have many people that are NW 5-6 and you see that the hair right above the neck, which is in theory outside of the safe zone, that is still standing even at an old age?
@Sele81
@Sele81 Жыл бұрын
Great interview. Thank you. I just dont understand why the smaller punch lets him extract more grafts? Does it mean a 0.8mm punch destroys grafts/follicles around the extracted area? I mean its not that there are less available grafts with an 0.8mm tool or vice versa more available grafts with an 0.45mm tool. Maybe he explained it in the video but I didnt get it.
@madhav-dass
@madhav-dass Жыл бұрын
Same question, does a larger punch kill nearby grafts ? Or change graft direction making them in harvestable.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I believe the reason is that the skin contracts after extraction. Allowing better healing, and the ability to extract more hairs close together.
@ziovannioliveira
@ziovannioliveira 26 күн бұрын
he is probably the best in the world but who can afford him? I asked last year and they told me 9 euros per graft
@clarkkent5318
@clarkkent5318 25 күн бұрын
Until mid 2k23 you had the opportunity to get 5 euros per graft which is fair for the best in the world.
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f Жыл бұрын
Melvin why didn't you ask him about verteporforin?
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I don’t think he’d be interested.
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f Жыл бұрын
@HairTransplantNetwork ah, that's a shame. He's so meticulous I hate that he has a bad impression on trials like this. Melvin do you know any other doctor that has such high graft numbers like Zarev? I'm afraid him being in Bulgaria his waiting time is too long for me
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Dr. Pittella in Brazil, sadly no one in the US
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f Жыл бұрын
@HairTransplantNetwork I have him on my watch list. Especially since he's keen on trying verteporforin trials. Would you do another transplant is verteporforin is found to work? For added density? Sorry if too personal a question
@steveurkel-ipsn4555
@steveurkel-ipsn4555 Жыл бұрын
What a god
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
We need an update on the forum. I still think you’re the best healer I’ve ever seen.
@chrischineseman1454
@chrischineseman1454 8 ай бұрын
has doctor zarev gotten a hair trainsplant himself? Or is his hair natural?
@dons9712
@dons9712 11 ай бұрын
How does one contact his practice. I cannot find him online.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 11 ай бұрын
Search his name on google
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f 10 ай бұрын
Melvin do you know any other doctor that does giga sessions like this guy? His waiting time is ridiculously long. Not sure someone in their 20s and 30s can wait years when they primarily want their hair in their youth
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 10 ай бұрын
Dr. Pittella in Brazil
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f 10 ай бұрын
@HairTransplantNetwork hey thanks for the reply Melvin. But Dr. Pitella uses body hair too. I was hoping for a meticulous character like Zarev who just maximizes the donor. Using BHT is easy but I don't want curly hair when my hair is wavy on the sides lol. What's your take on BHT?
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 10 ай бұрын
@@J1912-b2f BHT is awesome when done right. I’ve had 1,500 grafts using BHT. It’s a good option. The top 3 clinics that have high graft is Zarev, Pittella and Eugenix.
@J1912-b2f
@J1912-b2f 10 ай бұрын
@HairTransplantNetwork thanks for the info Melvin. Your hairline looks amazing. Where did you get it done? If BHT looks like you I'd gladly get it. Might I ask which body part you used? The way I see it is only me forearm hair is straight, long and would look good on my head especially on the sides or to cover FUE scars in the future
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 10 ай бұрын
@@J1912-b2f I got BHT in the crown, it was from my beard. Check out Eugenix and Pittella BHT results.
@samuelfox9532
@samuelfox9532 9 ай бұрын
This guy is a virtuoso.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 8 ай бұрын
🙏
@denisdemin81
@denisdemin81 7 ай бұрын
Amazing podcast and vizard surgeon.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 7 ай бұрын
🙏
@duncanmurphy9762
@duncanmurphy9762 2 ай бұрын
Where is he based as I’m in the uk and I’m looking at getting one done
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 2 ай бұрын
Check out our full list, plenty of options in the UK hairtransplantnetwork.com/best-hair-transplant-surgeons
@clarkkent5318
@clarkkent5318 Ай бұрын
Sofia in bulgaria !
@yashvardhan2280
@yashvardhan2280 Жыл бұрын
Hey Melvin, Hope you are doing well I am a very young patient with aggressive hairloss. My dermatologist has told me take oral minoxidil, but I already have excessive hair growth on my body and I am taking hair removal treatments for that as the body hair are thick and long. Do you think it is worth it? And do you think it will affect my body hair more Will wait for your reply
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Yes it is worth it, you can always shave body hair. Finasteride will help stop excessive body hair growth.
@yashvardhan2280
@yashvardhan2280 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork and will it affect my blood pressure or my heart beat? And after taking it for a long time is it possible to have high BP problems once u leave in future because it would be keeping the BP low as it is a anti hypertensive medication. Will it also affect my heart beat. Did you notice any side effects.? Thank you!
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
It may or may not give you side effects, only way to find out is trying it. I don’t have any sides at all
@kenpe1455
@kenpe1455 11 ай бұрын
So how does he get so much density?
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 11 ай бұрын
Did you watch the podcast?
@bh-0330
@bh-0330 Жыл бұрын
Goes to show you that this surgery really is nowhere near what it could potentially be. This guy is insane.
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Imagine the next 10 years, especially if Verteporfin works
@TheMilkdrinker
@TheMilkdrinker Жыл бұрын
I think FUT is completely obsolete compared to this
@Brandon-ex8ui
@Brandon-ex8ui Жыл бұрын
It’s been obsolete lol
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
Hard to argue for FUT. But, I’m sure it will always have a place.
@TheMilkdrinker
@TheMilkdrinker Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork only because Zarev’s AVAFUE isn’t widely available. What advantage would FUT have over AVAFUE? There is none. You can get the same if not a greater number of grafts, with next to zero visible scarring, and don’t even need microscopes
@h.princetv8236
@h.princetv8236 Жыл бұрын
​@@HairTransplantNetworkYes, it will have it's place on surgeons who don't want to master FUE
@hvcool
@hvcool Жыл бұрын
Wow
@markrahim1842
@markrahim1842 Жыл бұрын
What's the costs please
@Mllet3d
@Mllet3d Жыл бұрын
His website said five euros per graft. His has The best results hands down.
@Brandon-ex8ui
@Brandon-ex8ui Жыл бұрын
I heard its more like 9 euros
@Merth667
@Merth667 Жыл бұрын
@@Brandon-ex8ui9 is if you want to skip the waiting list
@sultoon16289
@sultoon16289 Жыл бұрын
@@Brandon-ex8uiif you wanted fast and not wait for 2-3yrs, then they have the 9euros option, but I think you will have to wait the regular time for the consultation, which is like 2-3yrs now!, I’m booked on Feb/23-2024 😁and I booked it around 2yrs ago
@desertfalcon2786
@desertfalcon2786 11 ай бұрын
@@sultoon16289so for the guy with 8k grafts it would cost €72k ?? Or am I missing something ?
@germaneurope5213
@germaneurope5213 Жыл бұрын
He only has a very good Micromotor. He Put a very Small Punch in IT. Maybe He knows a good electrican... He does Not replay to Mails
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
I'm sure he is very busy. Keep trying.
@germaneurope5213
@germaneurope5213 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork you can only write By contact Form via Website. I did IT, but No answer...
@jjdj1687
@jjdj1687 11 ай бұрын
Can you mediate so that I can have my operation with this doctor at a cheap price and at an early date? Please, I need this, and if I succeed in mediating, I will spread your social media sites everywhere and I will give you a gift
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 11 ай бұрын
If you can’t afford him, or want a sooner date. Choose someone else.
@jjdj1687
@jjdj1687 11 ай бұрын
I will not be able to find a doctor who does what the doctor does, and I do not want to ruin my head. I like this dr.zarev and I want to have my operation with him, and I do not think that this will affect him. Please intercede with him, with all my love for you and for this doctor.and if you succeed in mediating and reducing the costs by 50%, Appointment within 6 months then you have fulfilled a dream for me.
@jjdj1687
@jjdj1687 11 ай бұрын
Don't forget that I am 19 years old and I am losing my hair and sad about it
@jjdj1687
@jjdj1687 11 ай бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork It will save people from depression. Please try for humanitarian work
@Adrian-ly7by
@Adrian-ly7by 7 ай бұрын
Does he use a microscope?
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 7 ай бұрын
No
@christianmf6397
@christianmf6397 Жыл бұрын
Great video. He's one of the best, but he seems a bit rude 😅
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t rude, I think he was a bit agitated that he could find the right words, since English isn’t his first language. We actually had a half an hour conversation after the podcast ended. He’s very nice and down to earth
@christianmf6397
@christianmf6397 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork I understand. It's just that compared to other doctors you've interviewed he seemed more intense. btw I hope you can talk to Couto soon. I have an appointment with him in a few months
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork Жыл бұрын
@@christianmf6397 I’ll try, he was open to it. Maybe you could let him know it would be great to have this kind of interview
@christianmf6397
@christianmf6397 Жыл бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork I'll tell Couto about it. I will probably document my case with videos and on the forum.
@amirnouri3213
@amirnouri3213 3 ай бұрын
Please melvin talk to dr zarev again and convince him to check out verteporfin
@HairTransplantNetwork
@HairTransplantNetwork 3 ай бұрын
He doesn’t want too, there’s no use
@amirnouri3213
@amirnouri3213 3 ай бұрын
@@HairTransplantNetwork then we should leave him his pride and still push verteporfin because this could be THE GAME CHAMGER!!!!
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