Hale Rework Analysis: Was he Really Nerfed? | Roblox - Item Asylum

why on earth would the devs buff the strongest Juggernaut instead of just nerfing him...
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[@galacticappl_e]

So i apparently can't read, and hale's old speed was 20, not 22. So the speed change was LITERALLY JUST ANOTHER STRAIGHT UP BUFF, WHY???

[@quadrilateral173]

We're killing Mihawk with this one 🔥🔥🔥

[@championskz7897]

to be more accurate

[@Iunacy]

It's because your hitbox is smaller and needs more speed to be accurate

[@5k3ng]

pretty sure they wanted hale to be more accurate to how he is in tf2, just you wait till they give him 50% defence when winding up the charge

[@luthersmoke3964]

I'd say most of these changes were geared to make Hale more accurate to TF2, as he has a speed scaling effect there as well, in addition to his charge going further the longer you held the charge button as well as not losing his crit when he misses. The issue is, that Hale is geared towards the balancing of TF2, not the balancing in Item Asylum. TF2 players have counterplay against the critical hit, such as Ubercharge, Bonk, or just having enough health to tank it thanks to overheal. Item Asylum does not have that, and as such the Crit is just overtuned. The speed scaling thing in TF2 is there to help Hale catch up to speedier classes when he's low, as he's slow compared to some. Hale is already faster than most Asylumers when the game begins. Overall, current Hale is geared towards TF2 balancing which doesn't work in the grand scheme of what Item Asylum is.

[@hairydoorscontent9266]

Hlae's old base speed was 20, not 22. so the speed effect is 100% a buff

[@cheems_doge]

Ye and hale used to have a glitch animation that if you used slam immediately after you leaped, you would get flinged up high into the sky (mostly would die due to the height limit) I almost got myself killed as hale upon this happened dawg... thank god I still got 1k points after that round

[@galacticappl_e]

thank you for telling me, it's in the pinned comment now

[@Green24152]

hlae

[@hypeman958]

hla

[@totally_not_gonna_explode]

HL

[@Yourlocalidiot-tb8tc]

Hale’s Balancing : - “Charge” Charge now has a confirm CHARGE TIME, on press, you stands still for 2 second then charges instead of just pressing it and it charges instantly. This will give survivors a chance to do something when Jug is charging. also to compensate with Hale gradually gaining more speed over time. - “ Leap “ Just like charge, it now doesn’t leap instantly, but has a 1.5 second charge time before leaping, this at least gives survivors a chance to damage jug. You are now unable to use “Charge” mid-air. but however, you may get +3 speed while moving in the air (to at least catch up a little) but it resets when you landed. prob will make him actually a killable jug idk

[@Real_Potato_Man]

"Unable to use 'Charge' midair" is kind of uncalled for, half of the gimmick of charge is to be able to fly midair and not falling while doing so. Plus it makes a cool "tech" of: 'Leap + Charge + Slam' being able to catch up to enemies from afar and slamming them instantly.

[@Future_FriendRBLX]

Definitely keep the ability to charge mid-air, but just add like 3 or 5 seconds to the charge cooldown. I don't see any reason to prevent the use of the Charge ability mid-air, considering the fact that the Slam ability becomes incredibly inconsistent to activate afterwards.

[@yunochanishere8616]

​@@Real_Potato_Manu can also try Leap + Slam + Charge I do that whenever I chase agile opponents(players with high mov spd)

[@Yonker08]

they made hale lore accurate, no way

[@Juanelidiota]

Hale juggernaut is the deffinition of "literally the same as in the original game" Funny i didnt know hale was this op and still changed from a filibuster main to a hale main because how much i like tf2

[@EarthBound_Fan]

Short answer: Hale has less HP but gets faster as you take dmg, Can hold charge to make it faster while uncharged is now instant, and crits never go away even if you miss so Hes overall EVEN BETTER then before!

[@raileyjayantonio7699]

Back then bugs is only weakness on hale bcs sometimes the slam will noclip you and charge just flung you out of the map

[@ImNotLunaCultFromTerraria]

Tbh, just like FiliBuster and Beta, they have much mobility but mid health, now we can see that hale got speed buff but the damage arent nerfed but the health was!

[@galacticappl_e]

Good choices! Those are my favorites as well. Sad that fili got nerfed, though :(

[@yunochanishere8616]

​@@galacticappl_ewhy they nerfed it too Fili is strictly skill based since u need to zone urself as much as possible and try not to be aggressive too much, specially in the new boss mechanic

[@Shard_the_Triple_Brother]

Fun review hale at this update. The hp is now nerf, But charge are no longer cooldown + crit hit will no lost while you hit miss. With this update is not bad people. Unless you shift lock while use charge will kill player fast.

[@someperson7491]

item asylum devs throwing random bs at the game trying to balance it:

[@someoneIguessidk]

To anyone who is wondering why this has happened, it's because they probably wanted it to be more like the hale from "team fortress 2"

[@snaz15]

Most complicated Hale oneshot combo (you literally can't miss it): LMB

[@charloschristian1653]

it feels like playing knuckle sandwich on steroids

[@FaustfromGuiltyGear]

“Nobody likes dying to someone holding W and M1” TF2 players who can’t cope are currently agreeing with you like never before.

[@Jester_Advocate]

Hale also can just stall by using r then just standing along on the pillars which(any time that is high really high pillars i.e thunderstorm) so yeah he can just hold onto critical punch and kill easily and only shouryoken bug can be used to go to hale and hoppa

[@pafrisore8877]

I dissagree with your opinion on hale outclassing the other jgns in every way. Mihawk is way to good in almost every situation. (And for those who might think im biased, i main filibuster)

[@galacticappl_e]

okay but pretty much whatever mihawk can do hale can do better 9 times out of 10 (The horizontal slash I forget the name of is the 1 time)

[@elimsouls]

You are biased 😱

[@neonintention]

Mihawk mains when they see someone jump during their Heavy Swing.

[@galacticappl_e]

@@neonintention mihawk heavy swing vs. Containers's uneven ground

[@neonintention]

@@galacticappl_e Still doable consistently.

[@The_N0va_YT]

Lesgoo new video

[@failing244]

Half the reason I hate Hale's existence as a JGN is his damage output. 110 critical hit added on with charge is more damage than most utilities giving you that HP. The other half is the fact he has more HP than Mihawk.

[@babymochi1474]

Damn the music synced to the est part of the game play at 2:05

[@hypeman958]

Nemesis blue

[@livekazumareaction]

They should just make it so when Hale gets picked everyone turns into a random tf2 merc

[@yeayea115]

i think reason he was buffed in speed areas is because before buff. when you got to maps with verticality he was way too slow to catch anyone with a movement speed increase. making him soloable by anyone with a decent speed increase and a ranged weapon. and charge was way too slow to do anything about it.

[@galacticappl_e]

"He needs it" ... no, he does not

[@zacarnold2970]

​@@galacticappl_eskill issue

[@galacticappl_e]

@@zacarnold2970 :(

[@yunochanishere8616]

The adjustments on Hale is still a buff for me and thanks to his charge The charge mov. speed increase the longer you hold it(there's a limit to it probably) Mov. SPD buff when he reaches low health is fine 'cuz u can chase enemies that are trying to hit u far away His HP nerf is irrelevant since ik that having a fatass HP is quite unfair compared to other jgn so nerfing his hp is a good choice Crit hit still be usable when missed is kinda bit crazy but I digress

[@LzeniX]

To Balance Hale Back Up HP Nerf Damage a Bit because Damage is what made Hale OP It can be this fast i guess as long as it isn't 2 Hit Kill (and One-Hit with Critical) Nerf Damage down to 45 Change a lot of thing, First is it will make you 3 hit kill normal player (2 with critical) So people got more chance to fight back or second solution Make the m1 Cooldown 1.5 Seconds so hale can no longwr infinite combo with m1 alone

[@binheve]

Giả change, but what is “back up hp”

[@LzeniX]

@@binheve Return Hale HP to what it was before With no more speed boost scale

[@binheve]

@@LzeniX you mean, increase his hp scale per player?

[@LzeniX]

@@binheve Kinda Increase Hale HP back to the original update and nerf hale offense Maybe m1 cooldown a same but don't make hale two tap someone (or one tap with crit.) would be more balance Because that the issue with current hale that can ran up to you and two hit you with that speed

[@The_N0va_YT]

So good😊

[@hellohi4194]

port really needs to balance his game

[@handlemyd-]

Aslyumers when they made it tf2 accurate (they think its BS):

[@NOOB4306i]

whats next, they give him permanent crits and 3.271x the speed?

[@KoNgoGapPhaiNo]

basically hale's critical hit before when you miss it lost but now when you miss it still there (ANOTHER BUFF)

[@Deasty]

He said it. Watch the video.

[@Mamisougoofy]

Why do you want to nerf something that's broken? Does it hurt you to lose because of users like that?

[@syedramizhamzahsyedabdulla4944]

Simple Answer: NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT "Well, Hale got nerfed one time so that counts?" I know that the health got nerfed but, you know how much times Hale got buffed? THREE! Three times. The speed, charge and the critical hit stays when not even hitted by a player. Well done Jean, (I don't know who's idea to buff Hale, maybe Port but who knows) now you've made Hale overrated than before.

[@bogmaxxer]

they made hale tf2-accurate?!!?!!?!?!?!?! woaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@illuminos5457]

he's australian that's why he's so good

[@giuseppefestinese9920]

Honestly, just nerf the speed and hale will become an actual balanced jgn lmao

[@jarethvega454]

I totally agree, I think that amount of speed is excessive, people think it's to balance their lack of ranged attacks but hale already have moves that shorten the distance and the few juggers with ranged attacks, these are usually low damage or very bad

[@BaconPerish]

Increase charge speed and distance Leave the speed to be 20. There, now balance.

[@lenoobxd]

@@BaconPerishscrew that, make hale’s base speed to *16* with the same speed as a normal player, hale would have no choice but to strategically use his charge to close up, making w + m1 no longer feasible

[@ThatLowBudgetGuy]

saxton hale moment.

[@ryanwang727]

me when charge flung me off the map on crossroads :((

[@itzbeanyboi4291]

I'm going to say it SKILL ISSUES-

[@Cold_LikeMyHeart]

buff hale nerf red mist moment

[@uznik399]

They made fucking op or lore accurate

[@King_Of_Fries]

Dont worry. I never play jgn. I hate it, and if I ever am the jgn, I reset in .1 second.

[@kingtoast2565]

I tried hale for the first time it is broken I won with 4K hp left

[@غادةالزهراني-ر9و]

i only came for gameplay grrr

[@garbearboy838]

its saxton hale ofcourse theyre op

[@BaconPerish]

Nerf? Really? I see it as a buff.

[@galacticappl_e]

bro did NOT watch the video

[@pagthe38th95]

bro lmao buff fili

[@galacticappl_e]

"Nah." (Nerfs fili even more)

[@sirtieman]

​@@galacticappl_eI played fili once and they nerfed punch from 60 to 25 like wtf

[@combatdummy_IA]

red mist better

[@Zekariomi]

La música antigua era mejor

[@thefallenking6037]

i just died playing him i can def say he got nerfed but not that much only the hp

[@balldsdippedinmayo]

Thats just skill issue dawg

[@a-person69420]

yea dawg

[@seunghyunchoi2662]

Holy you suck at the game

[@LightCobalt]

that sounds like a skill issue

[@annakarollunaeu]

Another thing to take note here, his crit is maintained AFTER MISSING A M1, as befour the changes it would just dissapear after missing it, wasting it in the process.