It’s so relieving to see nba players willing to pour out their hearts out on podcast. If it wasn’t for Q, D miles, Matt Barnes, and Stephen Jackson. We would never get these stories. I know athletes are DYING to share these kind of stories!
@SaniCarci3 жыл бұрын
Maaaan thank you. No drama, no mess, JUST HOOP
@mobetta20923 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there and I can dig it homie 🙌🏿
@MyBigMeech3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@FupaDoncic3 жыл бұрын
All the Love
@erico73203 жыл бұрын
Facts....straight Hoops
@tallmandingo223 жыл бұрын
Mamas cookin
@MacCHill3 жыл бұрын
Ray Allen is my favorite player of all time.
@Jayjulious893 жыл бұрын
Same, I watched him play 7 times and wish I could of gotten to more games
@bonecollector63873 жыл бұрын
Yea right
@yacoubatshan113 жыл бұрын
No cap same
@louismclean66623 жыл бұрын
Mine too🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@juniorpollard72163 жыл бұрын
I'm would love to see The Knuckleheads sit down and interview Rod Strickland.
@pman84783 жыл бұрын
Fr I want Rod and Sam Cassell and even a proper gp one cause they interviewed him so far back they're so much more in depth now
@xALONZO8x3 жыл бұрын
pin this shit
@juniorpollard72163 жыл бұрын
@@pman8478 I agree.👍🏿
@nathanielbrown31363 жыл бұрын
I agree
@christianv65313 жыл бұрын
Needs more likes!!!!!
@sanroqueboy60123 жыл бұрын
this dude ray smart as hell, just by listening to him speak you'll know. gotta be one of the smartest and talented players we had in the league
@bakothegreat69863 жыл бұрын
@@knowitall3892 More like 3.0 or higher
@YoBankaccountformyparlay3 жыл бұрын
@@knowitall3892 your insecurity is showing
@enthusiastofopp70133 жыл бұрын
@@knowitall3892 STOP PROJECTING. Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people. Author: Unknown
@rickyt90393 жыл бұрын
@@knowitall3892 we over here dying your come back was 1 name 1 name
@chadtep75713 жыл бұрын
Yea man. You can tell that his father guided and kept him on the right path.
@dzadigital56133 жыл бұрын
nicole ari parker, sally richardson, and rosario dawson...is a hell of a lineup! sweet baby ray! lol
@avon2alpha6763 жыл бұрын
Ray doesn’t get enough credit on how he stay out of trouble. On or of the court, the man is a outstanding person!
@brieljones232 жыл бұрын
Ehhhhh
@SupaHans042 жыл бұрын
I mean thats what you call a professional, gets the job done and never talked shit.
@straight_NoChaser2 жыл бұрын
That’s what your supposed to do, these are grown men who make millions to bounce a ball. How come we never hear this about white athletes? I never heard anyone say man, Drew Brees should get credit for staying outta trouble on and off the field lol.
@kjones60762 жыл бұрын
@@straight_NoChaser facts, that’s damn near a insult more so than a compliment 😂
@straight_NoChaser2 жыл бұрын
@@kjones6076 yup it’s a backhanded compliment for sure!
@GriffKnicks13 жыл бұрын
Game 7 Milwaukee Bucks vs Philly 76ers was a Instant Classic..A.I. vs Allen was awesome. Ray Allen carried team throughout series..Ray won the league over with that series.
@Burbo2x3 жыл бұрын
FINALLY.. man where TF y’all been at I missed y’all boys, tired of All the Smoke 🤣🤣 y’all started this shit 💯
@malcolmmartin11723 жыл бұрын
Facts tho. Knuckleheads was the first to do it
@Burbo2x3 жыл бұрын
@@malcolmmartin1172 Knucklehead was the first sports podcast I seen
@ramadanshakir39583 жыл бұрын
Lol, and all these pop up Podcast
@Burbo2x3 жыл бұрын
@@ramadanshakir3958 I swear bro lol.. Knuckleheads need they respect
@youngcity42413 жыл бұрын
You got weird energy everything doesn’t have to be a competition
@movementpolitics96613 жыл бұрын
Allen's years in Seattle are underappreciated that's when he really showed off his offensive skills, such as being an isolation player and being able to beat defenders off the dribble.
@jruss4003 жыл бұрын
Kerry Kittles vs Ray and Iverson vs Marbury was the biggest college games ever ‼️
@vanillagorilla60913 жыл бұрын
In my opinion Big East in its Prime. Don't forget Lopez at St.Johns. Yes trollsI know Marbury was in ACC
@jruss4003 жыл бұрын
@@vanillagorilla6091 Felipeeee was the man
@tez44483 жыл бұрын
Podcast so much more mature than all the smoke and both the cohost are interactive unlike Matt carrying stak the whole interview
@controversialmann53453 жыл бұрын
These guys focus more on ball than anything. All the Smoke use to be lit but lately Matt been carryin Stack ass heavy
@bjrobinson12823 жыл бұрын
Why can't we just all accept success through positivity. A side and B side is part of the same movement
@bronsondynasty3 жыл бұрын
They stick to ball from aau. And up. It gives a good story. All the smoke has fallen off a little. The best ones are the real big celebrities or they homies like BD!
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
@@controversialmann5345 feel like they wasted that arenas interview by stack being too high to contribute to the interview
@erico73203 жыл бұрын
no rappers here, no football players here, no wack ass analysts here...just Hoopers...Real Live Hoopers....NO DRAMA here...Just BASKETBALL...Knuckleheads the Best...HANDS DOWN
@Dave-ue8ce3 жыл бұрын
About damn time!! Was getting scared that you guys cancelled the show or something. Glad to see season 6. Lets get it.
@RafsanS153 жыл бұрын
due to Karl Malone episode (?)
@chrisisslick3 жыл бұрын
Frfr and they came back hard! Ray was a bucket of water from anywhere on the court! 💪🏽
@ant52703 жыл бұрын
I was wondering myself
@ant52703 жыл бұрын
@@RafsanS15 that episode must didn't go well
@dontrezross59583 жыл бұрын
I could never find the Malone episode I even looked on other platforms and couldn't find it
@t991553 жыл бұрын
I never clicked so fast! Ray Ray! Was a beast! Not just a 3 point shooter! Especially in his Bucks days and Seattle! Wish they did him better in Boston. KG and Rondo need to let it go and give Ray his due IMO 💯
@vanillagorilla60913 жыл бұрын
Respect. Nobody remembers him taking it to the rack in those Bucks and Sonics days.
@zmaj65243 жыл бұрын
They dont have to give him anything. Ray took it a long time ago.
@seanb35253 жыл бұрын
Rondo definitely can't be mad at Ray anymore cause he got his 2nd ring with lebron too lol
@davidchandler68852 жыл бұрын
He had better career and player than all those Celtics in his prime, Garnett was extremely overrated..was really good but not great, ray was a better player
@itsmeitstrue Жыл бұрын
@@davidchandler6885 Ur trippin. Both Truth and certainly KG were better players than rayray. Thats no disrespect either. KG was one of the best defensive players in the league for a decade, not to mention everything he could do on the offensive end, great rebounder, and passer at the position.
@brandoncampbell13103 жыл бұрын
Time for y’all to start back doing face to face interviews
@ant52703 жыл бұрын
Facts All the smoke is face to face
@popgfk99893 жыл бұрын
@@ant5270 lol 😂 so them brothers don’t give a crap
@OGGOAT233 жыл бұрын
Facts
@youngo.g.36423 жыл бұрын
It’s time fasho
@kevinhobsonjr99193 жыл бұрын
They did it before the pandemic go back and see, sure they'll get back to it soon.
@explicitgentleman27803 жыл бұрын
The wait is over!! I rock with Ray Allen!!💯💪🏾
@KIDHUSTLEBIZ3 жыл бұрын
As a Chicago native... This podcast is so necessary! I’ve been an avid content consumer of your brand since day one! Need a Penny Hardaway interview though!! 💪🏽💪🏽🙏🏽
@InterstateInf3 жыл бұрын
Would love A Latrell Sprewell interview
@javarrmayes97233 жыл бұрын
Spree was my favorite player...Ironically my hs coach cut him
@Mdmeskywlkr0073 жыл бұрын
1000%!!
@rocmcgee77843 жыл бұрын
Milwaukee Wisconsin
@4thAndGoalBreez3 жыл бұрын
Yea we need that
@nathaniellewis71863 жыл бұрын
Watching his release on He Got Game changed my whole shot…eventually got a full ride to a low D1 school 🔥🔥🔥
@t-god2439 Жыл бұрын
That’s crazy
@t991553 жыл бұрын
I watched the game when Ray broke the 3 point record, then Kobe hit that mid range to seal the game 🤦♂️ I used to hate Kobe but learned to love em and realize he put in the work to be a Killer and great! R.I.P Kobe Gigi and the other families who lost lives 💯 great podcast today guys!
@pscott203 жыл бұрын
Same Ray Allen my favorite player. Kobe crushed my heart, I learn to love love him. RIP‼️‼️‼️
@rickyt90393 жыл бұрын
Don't need to like someone cause they dead Kobe was an asshole ! Maybe that's what made him great , but ASSSS....HOLLLLEE
@t991553 жыл бұрын
@@rickyt9039 I never said I liked Kobe personally first of all, I meant in a basketball sense and this was before he died and yes people are assholes in life . Secondly don’t comment on something you don’t have knowledge about because you sound very stupid. Maybe your life isn’t what you want it to be so you try to project negative energy on other people. Fix yourself before you talk.
@NBA15293 жыл бұрын
Has nothing to do with this vid.. stop being passive aggressive.
@majorpromotion60183 жыл бұрын
@@t99155 same here t hated him but he definitely put in that work to hit my top 5 an not because he's gone r.i.p Kobe
@a5___br1sk3t53 жыл бұрын
A lot of life gem’s thrown in this if you really listen. Shout out to Jesus Shuttlesworth!
@arthurbarnes63683 жыл бұрын
Ray had the 🔥 Jordan player edition colorways.
@Uncle.Shizz-onIG3 жыл бұрын
Ray Allen one of my favorite players and still the purest jump shot imo
@blackkcinamacritic3 жыл бұрын
ITS ABOUT TIME SICK of watching all the smoke
@ericstratton79613 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯
@charlieferrari3 жыл бұрын
I’m not sick of all the smoke but it is relieving to finally drop something
@jonnypedersen39193 жыл бұрын
I watch both 🔥
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
While we're talking about things we're tired of......can Gilbert arenas get a former player co-host
@lordfarquaad24023 жыл бұрын
WE BACK BOYS! My favorite crew
@tamezbostic52533 жыл бұрын
Y'all gotta get JOE JOHNSON, LENNY COOKE, DAJAUN WAGNER, KERRY KITTLES!
@Perdomo2313 жыл бұрын
They got WAGNER crazy.
@onceuponasavage3 жыл бұрын
I used to love playing NBA live when Ray Allen was with Seattle. They had shooters everywhere!
@christopherlaw24602 жыл бұрын
Man, them Jordan XVII’S was the best jays I ever purchased. That commercial was something special, reminds me of the last days of being a kid with no worries.
@AkeemDenim3 жыл бұрын
Still one of the best podcasts/shows out there. Much love and respect!
@dontes50093 жыл бұрын
Still don't understand how this show doesn't have more views. This is the best basketball podcast I've seen.
@rjchilds843 жыл бұрын
Them 5s with the yellow sole & the black 5s he wore in Seattle 🥶
@PushinP9113 жыл бұрын
King of PE’s
@Jayjulious893 жыл бұрын
Agree, I like them Celtic 13s as well
@teoifolis3 жыл бұрын
5s my fav Ray PEs imo
@popgfk99893 жыл бұрын
My dawg Ray was cold smooth and professional, hall of fame lock ✋🏿
@guillermovazquez10843 жыл бұрын
He's made the Hall already
@popgfk99893 жыл бұрын
@@guillermovazquez1084 We know that but thanks my brother just a misunderstanding of our language Jordan a hall of fame lock Kobe a lock E.T.C blessings
@Hmmm_B3 жыл бұрын
We needed more time on his Celtic tenure, Laker rivalry, and him and Kobe meeting at the top after being part of that ‘96 class.
@qdeezy212 жыл бұрын
I think dunking Ray was my favorite too..a lot of guys forgot about that version of Ray. Sneaky with it too. Make it look like a layup and then bang on ur head top
@blakelip33 жыл бұрын
Ray & Mike Bibby have the coldest PE Jordan’s
@Kent_6173 жыл бұрын
💯
@keyshawnbrummett99233 жыл бұрын
and eddie jones
@khbrown89633 жыл бұрын
Them 05 Melos
@vinnysmoove3 жыл бұрын
Q has some heat too
@frankiey99433 жыл бұрын
Damn bro been waiting for ya’ll rewatching all the older interviews 😂🙌🏽
@DDSTWO3 жыл бұрын
FAVORITE PLAYER OF ALL-TIME. I REALLY THOUGHT I WAS RAY GROWING UP. THIS THE ONE!!
@Ph.40Lowks3 жыл бұрын
Wait wtf damn about time I’ve missed y’all
@bladebrown41913 жыл бұрын
Man, this was such a fun, insightful conversation. After MJ retired in '99, Ray was the player I focused on and idolized. Also a fun journey down memory lane, talking about early-mid 90's college basketball. So many great teams, players, and personalities, without the internet/social media influence. The first time I saw Ray was in Street & Smiths magazine lol. Those early Jordan Brand years were great as well, seeing these guys rocking classic retros in their team colors was so exciting every season.
@krob413 жыл бұрын
Legend! Milwaukee/Seattle Jesus was one of my favorite players of all time
@keithoutterbridge87823 жыл бұрын
96 Draft made me a basketball head. A.I. made me watch basketball. Being from Philly-- he's the greatest.
@roboslug3 жыл бұрын
My second favourite player behind GP. Love you guys.
@CLWJ3 жыл бұрын
D. Miles dog may be a new star of the show.
@ronnellhillman72603 жыл бұрын
Get stephon Marbury on here next. This was a great interview
@boldgentlemen853 жыл бұрын
Man you don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for a new episode.
@asjs063 жыл бұрын
We the people want Kwame Brown interview next.
@randredaniels51053 жыл бұрын
NEXT SEASON
@matthewkylesanchez11923 жыл бұрын
We do?
@kevinkamanzi39573 жыл бұрын
The people have spoken!!
@SuperDrizzy73 жыл бұрын
I agree
@gainztrain98903 жыл бұрын
No we don't... Keep that bullshit energy n drama over there on all the smoke
@Alleyne0707073 жыл бұрын
For a hot minute Milwalkee Ray, had at cold rivalry with Vinsanity and when T.O. came to town it was a dunk off between the two... RAY HAD HOPS!!
@ssanf19853 жыл бұрын
So happy to see Ray get his flowers! Gets too much hate from guys like KG, Rondo and even Stack because he was jealous of ray rays career. Being a Seattle guy some of my favorite memories were going to watch him and Rashard ball the fuck out. Miss watching him play!
@aaronjackson93852 жыл бұрын
Stackhouse or Stephen Jackson?
@markcisneros47083 жыл бұрын
Aye we back!!!
@kingdingaling24693 жыл бұрын
Man....Jesus is Thee Best interview yet. This was Super Dope. Swear, Ray is really The Truth.
@aricbarr17363 жыл бұрын
D.rose would be the perfect interview
@alxndrlpz3 жыл бұрын
Eyyy, Jesus Shuttlesworth! 🙌🏼
@ejlive6553 жыл бұрын
Another Great interview Lads, Ray Allen a first class Guy
@moolahmoolah6173 жыл бұрын
Ray’s sneaker knowledge was surprising. This was tuff as usual. Two taps to the dome. 🔥
@bradj2293 жыл бұрын
Ray Allen is such a solid dude. His recent book, From The Outside, was great too! Pick it up if you haven’t already.
@shawnjackson48683 жыл бұрын
Watched a few of my favorite older episodes yesterday because I’ve missed ya’ll. Thanks Kings 🙏🏿
@russoulfree3 жыл бұрын
I love these interviews. I was a Bucks fan living near Milwaukee when the made it to game 7 ECF, and barely lost to AI.. Sugar Ray All Day Baby.. One thing I hope gets through and happens: Someone tell Q to hold back on talking about himself so much. I think we want to hear more of the actual interviewees. Thanks! 💪
@pstreet20273 жыл бұрын
Big East was full of ballers, can't forget Victor Page either!
@horacelilbigbrother92153 жыл бұрын
Great statement... V.P. should have came-out the same year as A.I.
@juniorpollard72163 жыл бұрын
@Mr Man He's in prison.
@juniorpollard72163 жыл бұрын
@Mr Man Rape.
@juniorpollard72163 жыл бұрын
As of 2019, he got a 20 year sentence.
@jarrellmason90803 жыл бұрын
80 's/90's Big East basketball was in my opinion up there with the ACC in terms of talent from top to bottom across the whole conference.
@freshprince5123 жыл бұрын
This is a chatty patty/"go along get along gang" FREE ZONE.
@banyahawadah20773 жыл бұрын
All Facts
@vanillagorilla60913 жыл бұрын
Shout out Khalid El-Amin! My favorite college PG of all time!
@Yc25.3 жыл бұрын
The Knuckleheads is back in full effect baby!!
@c7lee3 жыл бұрын
LMAO at Dmiles' dogs going at it in the background @1:20:06
@90sBullsFan3 жыл бұрын
YEEEEEEEAHH!!! MAN IM HAPPY YALL BACK. I missed you guys. I ain't never been so happy to see Clippers lol
@MrCEOLEGEND3 жыл бұрын
Geeesh Thank The Lawd Y'all Back 💙💪🏾
@lbell9193 жыл бұрын
We need y’all both back with more stories ✊🏿✊🏿
@onebreezo31183 жыл бұрын
First time I ever seen a Ray Allen interview. Glad it was the Knuckleheads
@robgotti41573 жыл бұрын
Ray is very intelligent .. Very well spoken
@emirepresa95003 жыл бұрын
I’m here to just drop a mark at 1:44:30. That thing he said about the sun, related to work ethic was just a thing of beauty and I’ll come here from time to time to listen to it again every time I need to remember my priorities.
@montanaproductions55593 жыл бұрын
changed my whole perspective on progress
@n3rds3y3vi3w3 жыл бұрын
don't really make sense though, there's places in the world that don't get sun for months out of the year and are fine.
@michaelangelo305s2 жыл бұрын
I had to screenshot that time to watch it later on in the future, that hit deep lol
@clasher1013 жыл бұрын
Great interview! Probably the best Ray Allen interview i've listened to.
@stevencrenshaw27803 жыл бұрын
Glad to see a new episode especially with a legend like Ray. Also big up to Q and D Miles on their basketball knowledge and memories. I consider myself a bball junkie and I’m amazed at some of the things they bring up and remember. It’s refreshing to see that they are fans just like us sometimes even though they played in the league
@woodrowwilder4813 жыл бұрын
yeah d miles got like a photographic memory or something
@bonecollector63873 жыл бұрын
So good to see Ray Allen really talking talking 💯
@FupaDoncic3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for a Ray Allen Interview. All The Smoke couldn’t cause of Stak hatin ass
@pkamvp3 жыл бұрын
Surprised nobody has done a Marbury interview yet
@knowitall38923 жыл бұрын
He post so much it's like we know everything
@patrikkabongo53993 жыл бұрын
I need a Brandon Roy episode fr
@montanaproductions55593 жыл бұрын
Q dont fuck wit Starbury
@pkamvp3 жыл бұрын
@@montanaproductions5559 fr? I know they played together on the Knicks but I didn’t know they weren’t cool
@rafaelarrendell21853 жыл бұрын
I saw him a chick fil a and I embarrassed my self lol
@dariuscates17473 жыл бұрын
When they were talking about his high school days I wish they asked about Ja Morant’s dad
@PickEmUpMessEmUp3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I just knew they was gone touch on that a lil. Missed opportunity
@MrBryantRay13 жыл бұрын
Tee
@realrap24493 жыл бұрын
Yes sir Ray Allen 💙💙💙💙💙🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@montrezhadley2513 жыл бұрын
I'm thankful i got to see him play in person at a exhibition game when he was playing for the Bucks this man scored 40pts in a game against KG& the Twolves& made it look so easy.. The other highlight of that night was ...i got to talk to KG& get his autograph dope night 🏀🏀🏀
@MrAlvin7143 жыл бұрын
U don't know how long I've been waiting!!!!! I know what I'm listening to during my gym sesh tomorrow
@kevingeezy51763 жыл бұрын
Finally. They back!
@ebozion323 жыл бұрын
Ray is my favorite shooter of all time (I like Clay too). But Ray had the most perfect form ever. To keep it real as a Boston Celtics fan, I thought he should've won the finals MVP in 08. Straight legend.
@BoosterGoldEarth62 жыл бұрын
Nah they got it right, Paul Pierce suffered all them years
@Doknot-tb9ey3 жыл бұрын
Its about time Knuckleheads is back. Cool episode with Ray Allen.
@bentalou4life3 жыл бұрын
QRich and DMiles you have not only inspired everyone and their brother to create their own Podcast, but you guys have perfected your format and are able to move through the show seamlessly. I have been a huge fan of your show since the beginning but you guys are getting better and keep taking the standard higher and higher.
@waynebrown77333 жыл бұрын
Nice podcast. Ray Allen has so much knowledge 👌
@martindominguez15183 жыл бұрын
Damn Ray Allen got that mamba mentality lol dude is intense. You can tell he would be one of those coaches that gets on your nerves cuz they get at you but would do anything for.
@johnnyblingg3 жыл бұрын
Please get Sir Charles Barkley on this 🙏🏾
@chillywilliedfw90933 жыл бұрын
Jesus Shuttlesworth. Besides Malcolm X and Do The Right Thing , his movie was a close third for Spike Lee.
@espectrodelayautja63203 жыл бұрын
Them college visits are godly. If you get the chance, never pass on all of your visits. ALL of them
@trechasin3 жыл бұрын
Still my favorite podcast great questions no drama 💯
@rhairston6441 Жыл бұрын
Big ups to D Miles and Q Rich for your platform. Respect due!💯🔥
@joshrennie41093 жыл бұрын
Kd,ray,lewis shyt thts a couple championships right there💯
@creydadj3 жыл бұрын
1:11:10 MAHHH MAN 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@jeremyseven94683 жыл бұрын
I love to hear the names of the guys who were " the first to bust yo ass ", I love the respect. Thats a great question.
@joshrennie41093 жыл бұрын
Tht part Ray Allen said was deep how athletes say they more than players but don’t got nothing to say wen it came to the china situation at hand💯
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
Because they're also brands and faces of companies.......they choosing $ 🤷🏾♂️
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
It honestly don't matter.....because they're shoes are made with cheap labor as well 🤷🏾♂️
@joshrennie41093 жыл бұрын
@@savage7ecneek437 it does matter despite they shyt is made in China but players don’t realize it thts the sad part🤦🏾♂️
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
@@joshrennie4109 "It honestly don't matter.....because they're shoes are made with cheap labor as well 🤷🏾♂️"
@savage7ecneek4373 жыл бұрын
@@joshrennie4109 why speak up now after all these years endorsed by the company? When we all know they use cheap labor?
@cherriejordan37313 жыл бұрын
Thank you Midwest Brothers😎👊🖤!!! Keep bringing All My Special Athletes... Ray Allen you are that Guy.
@Roc_Official3 жыл бұрын
Ray ray one of my fav players. 💯
@TheMrMasterChief123 жыл бұрын
We need Dirk on the pod
@trackstar91332 жыл бұрын
Ray speaks a lot of wisdom. Salute to a legend
@rhairston6441 Жыл бұрын
Look everybody that knows me know I’m a 37 year Lakers fan but I watched that Ray Allen shot today while I watched the podcast. It still gives me goose bumps. That’s one of the best clutch shots in NBA history. Ray Allen (Jesus Shuttlesworth) much respect bro. I don’t go far from my Lakers far as favorite players but Mr Clutch Ray still one of my favorites to this day way back from UCONN.
@allensmith98792 жыл бұрын
My favorite sharp shooter, as a Celtics fan there was no better feeling then being up by 2 towards the end of games because Ray Allen was simply automatic. Still the prettiest best looking shot and release to this day, everything about it quick flick release high arc but soft landing the man was an artist on the court.
@marzelsimmons87082 жыл бұрын
Loved rays time on the sonics he a seattle legend fasho.. imagine if Minnesota didn't trade him for Marbury tho him and Kg together form the start of their careers would of been crazy