Halloween Kills reviewed by Mark Kermode

[@miguelbaezduran]

Can't believe you're back in the studio. So happy to see you there. It's feels like such a long time with one thing or another.

[@aengusk3313]

it's so refreshing to see Mark in the studio and not on a zoom call with late 90's wifi

[@sagarsaxena6318]

or hiding under the sheets

[@OrtegaSeason]

I agree with Simon. If your villains undefeatable, where's the tension?

[@johnherbert2545]

Terminator anyone?

[@OrtegaSeason]

@@johnherbert2545 Which of them was undefeatable?

[@ChildOfTheWilderness]

Jason Voorhees?

[@OrtegaSeason]

@@ChildOfTheWilderness I've never watched any of the Ft13th films, but from what I understand only the first one is actually any good, and that doesn't have Jason in it.

[@johnsmodularjams2123]

Captain Scarlet made it work

[@mrmonkeyman79]

"I was actively bored" another great quote for the poster

[@sanjidparvez]

lolz! 😂😂

[@MoleyRusselsWart_]

Back in the studio! 🤩

[@s1nfulw00dy]

The mob mistaking a short, waddling fat man (who looked like Danny Devito as The Penguin) for Michael Myers was the funniest sh*t ever.

[@TheRoryJohn]

"we don't know what he looks like" - you watched his face on a news report just an hour previously?

[@MrAdamloring1985]

My favorite part after that was , Tommy, who just caused a riot that lead to an innocent man jumping to his death, and brains splattered all over the place, says “ I messed up. I’m sorry.”

[@xanderv1984]

The whole thing felt ridiculous!

[@atrio1136]

That's mob mentality for you.

[@DancinJim]

Group mob mentality. Given what they were going through, it is not unbelievable.

[@Horrormaster13]

Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) is pretty underrated.

[@ReanimatorsMutilations]

Probably the 2nd best nightmare movie

[@LJ-wm1bl]

Halloween wasn’t about the excess, it was about the mundane and subtlety. The franchise needs to remember that.

[@sanjidparvez]

Totally agree with you, Mr. Bond. So...how's afterlife?

[@LJ-wm1bl]

@@sanjidparvez Well…Vespers getting on my nerves.

[@sanjidparvez]

@@LJ-wm1bl lolz!

[@WillsonT011]

@@LJ-wm1bl 😂😂😂

[@billywalker3128]

But then if every installment was to follow the same beaten path, wouldn't that be a very boring route to take? They're trying different things. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But I'd rather they did that than stick to the same thing over and over.

[@MarcusMIDI]

I think what Mark was trying to say was: 'This film is *utter* bollocks'

[@grampawud]

I quite liked it, especially the bit when the angry mob mistook the short fat man as the eight foot Shape.

[@thehitherto5348]

Halloween has become the ultimate "choose your own adventure" franchise at this point. I'm waiting for a sequel that ignore the original, but connects Halloween 4, Halloween: Resurrection and Rob Zombie's remake.

[@thelovelyseamus]

Hoping for a rebooted Halloween 4 follow-up; that's the only enjoyable Myers sequel for me. Or a Children of Men style sequel to H3 😁

[@pdzombie1906]

Michael into the Halloweenverse, all the timelines collide into a clusterf*ck!!!😅

[@lapislazuli5035]

Halloween: Into The Halloween-Verse

[@AlexSmith-gr3el]

I want a shot for shot remake of the original, but they replace the killer with Mike Myers decked out in his Austin powers costume

[@oskarklang8616]

Lol.Or Myers in space and is Zombies Halloween 3 but also adds season of the Witch reboot from 1982

[@jamesdan6895]

How very not scary Michael Myers has been for 35+ years under various other directors is a real testament to how good Carpenter was with that first film to make literally just a dude in a mask so profoundly terrifying.

[@brianmeen2158]

Agree, Carpenter did that movie at the perfect time. He hit the right notes and made a film that still holds up in 2022! The sequel in 1981 was creepy as well but everything that has come after has been just average or terrible

[@brianmeen2158]

Btw even if you paid Carpenter 100 million to make another Halloween - even he couldn’t make Michael scary again

[@fatguycool]

Glad to see them back in the studio. Mark seems much more energetic in the studio :)

[@chriswilkinson7636]

Just watch the original Halloween again. It's one of the all time greats of horror.

[@jayb2164]

👍

[@eduardoleroy3660]

If you've only seen a few horror movies, it might be.

[@chriswilkinson7636]

@@eduardoleroy3660 I've seen loads and loads of horror movies and I still think Halloween is one of the best

[@conorcharlton2703]

It hasn't aged well. Laughed my way through rewatching it last night.

[@jamesnunn7181]

@@eduardoleroy3660 No it’s one of the best, no doubt. One of the few of the genre to be actual cinematic quality and not just for fan geeks

[@TwoBeatsApart]

I couldn’t agree more. I found myself getting bored waiting for kills that were inevitably coming. It’s like they couldn’t decide between brutality and suspense.

[@arthurb5194]

Yeah very repetitive in that way. I hope the third one is good and this was just a cash grab, because I did enjoy the first in this series.

[@MrAdamloring1985]

I was bored by the time the first flash back was over. I just kept thinking, “ we know what happens. We have seen the first movie.” By the time it got the the opening credits I was like “ oh god, this is going to be bad.”

[@MrAdamloring1985]

@@billsimms2511 what could have been neat, is they do the whole movie in 1978 style, and essentially re tell Halloween 2, and show a continued night of carnage that eventually leads to Michaels capture. Then at the end of the movie cut to present day, and show Michael coming out of the fire, kills the fire department and walks into the night, with the theme song playing. And that’s how the movie ends.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Michael Myers is still the best Slasher villain after all these years. You just can't beat the king.

[@Leandro-X.2024.Alkebulan]

Facts.

[@jonnowitts]

I actually laughed a few times watching it. Zig-zagging through the trees as Michael slowly plods along in a straight line. Characters wise cracking at him instead of just getting on with trying to kill him and big groups of them going one on one against him. I was left trying to work out is he actually a man and if so how do they explain being stabbed, shot and beaten and then getting back up as if nothing happened. The chanting of “Evil Dies Tonight” was the final kitchen knife in the block for me.

[@Leandro-X.2024.Alkebulan]

Ikr. If you're going to gang up on him then DO JUST THAT and gang up on him! That scene annoyed the heck out of me

[@coventryterrier5751]

The only way I would be even remotely interested in seeing another Halloween movie is that if it turns that Mike Myers was actually Michael Myers all along.

[@84paratize]

or William Shatner

[@MrAdamloring1985]

The comedian, or the former congressman from PA?

[@coventryterrier5751]

Title ideas for the next Halloween movies: 1. Halloween Here We Go Again 2. Halloween Oh No Not Again 3. Halloween Abroad 4. Halloween Again Doctor 5. Halloween At Your Convenience 6. Halloween This is a bit repetitive 7. Halloween Now I’m getting irritated 8. Halloween Oh just stop it! 9. Halloween: Dude Where’s my Donkey? 10. Halloween and the Technicolour Underpants 11. Halloween This is beyond parade now 12. Halloween oh will you just die 13. Halloween and ding dong he’s dead! 14. Halloween, oops sorry he’s still alive. 15. Halloween: The Rise of Columbo.

[@carn5haun343]

Just back from the theatre and I must say, everything without Myers was borderline unwatchable. The character of Tommy was unbearable

[@markbrown9183]

Especially after the Paul Rudd version of Tommy in Halloween 6 was such an interesting one - in the Producer's Cut anyway. The whole group meeting up in the bar every year was just a diabolically bad idea and AMH was terrible in the role.

[@jaieighty6812]

@@markbrown9183 You just knew right from that opening scene with them having a reunion for surviving Michael Myers that the film was utter shit, I honestly can't get my head around people thinking it was good.

[@MarkSmith-fl4zq]

I loved Halloween H20 from the late 90s, that was pretty cool, he got his head chopped off in that one so not sure why he's got his head back. Hollywood tends to milk everything dry and water down great things.

[@MentasmUK]

Because sequel, where they explained the head lopping scene.

[@oskarklang8616]

He swapped with a paramedic.Which made no frigging sense at all.Another reason for yet another Halloween film

[@MentasmUK]

@@KD--sj8eo so yeah, what I said...

[@MarkSmith-fl4zq]

@David C oh well excuse me Mr touchy

[@erocrush]

“Nothing is over! NOTHING!” - John Rambo

[@TechNoir-wz5ic]

Nice to see Mark Kermode back in the studio

[@jackfruth3738]

I'd bet money Simon is right, the eventual quick reboot will be titled "Halloween Forever" LOL

[@coventryterrier5751]

I actually remember feeling angry when they announced this would be a trilogy. What started off as a horror film has now just become the most predictable and utterly stupid series I have seen aside from Fast and the Furious. It would make more sense if the twist is that Michael Myers is actually The Terminator at this point and I would find that more believable.

[@blkluv100]

@David C Your standards are low....raise them.

[@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes]

@David C 'It aint supposed to be Schindler's List.' Yet the Halloween series is guilty of that, always trying to make out it's more than just a guy in mask killing teenages on Halloween.

[@BManningtree]

Halloween (2018) was annoying. 1. the title - don`t name your new movie the same as the original 2. the ending reminded me of Austin Powers "No no no, I'm going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, I'm just gonna assume it all went to plan"

[@steviebellvocals5354]

It's sad to think that film studios are still relying on material from another century. Just watched the Strangers with my daughter, Halloween personified and she loved it. Scared to death

[@rhymeandreasoning]

I watch The Strangers often. It is a great movie. I went to see it in the theater one afternoon when it came out. Theater was nearly empty. It was creepy as can be watching that movie in a near empty theater, and the sounds blaring on the theater sound system. Jumped, and looked over my shoulders many times. Enjoyed it, totally.

[@pdzombie1906]

Halloween with a case of Hobbit syndrome, stretching a one film story into a trilogy...

[@blkluv100]

And the idiots rush to go see them, making them money, creating this endless loop of pointless sequels.

[@mattiasakemalm1412]

I love Mark's reviews. My new hobby is to watch a movie and then listen to Mark talking about it.

[@simonshaw4087]

They're back in the studio. Suddenly it all looks professional again. Hooray!!

[@ReconstructedBeauty]

The only thing missing from The HALLOWEEN Kills movie, was THE BENNY HILL MUSIC!!😁😂🤣

[@AlexJEdits]

Halloween Kills almost feels like an action movie

[@larsroarh6285]

Literally walked out of the cinema cause of the lack of direction in the movie

[@ReanimatorsMutilations]

@@ozmond2600 I definitely figuratively walked out. In my head I was at home in bed about to fall asleep

[@lapislazuli5035]

Simon's out of nowhere reference to Heroes was the best part of this review. Sylar shares interesting similarities to Michael Myers.

[@Tymbus]

I know! I can't believe that he never even saw the first season!

[@alextromagnetic]

Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 was already Halloween with PTSD Mark

[@chrissweet6369]

A far superior sequel than this installment.

[@PeloquinDavid]

"Actively bored": there's one for the ages...

[@2010ditta]

Great to see you back where you should be.

[@JamesWale]

You know it's gonna be a good review when Mark starts off with "here's thing thing".

[@DMB1986MT]

Original is a masterpiece, and my favourite movie. I liked 2018 sequel a lot (except the mad doctor subplot and some dialogue trying to inject humour) but this was a mess. Instead of continuing the aesthetic and feel of the original- or even the 2018 one- it becomes the later sequels and even hints of Rob Zombies garbage versions. The 2018 surprised me by showing the aftermath of most of the kills instead of the kill itself. This was just brainless gore. JLC is way too sidelined and the supporting characters cannot hold the film up. I really enjoyed the opening flashback scene but I agree with Mark that all that did was remind you of a better movie. Michael is no longer a lunatic in a mask, he’s the terminator. He’s not even the shape anymore, when he goes into a victims home he makes as much noise as possible. Stupid. Almost saved by the score and some hints of a better movie in there

[@phil2pips]

I wholeheartedly agree

[@hihowareyouthen]

Spot on, David. The complete lack of suspense/tension was galling, and the gore was over the top. Blood isn't scary...I mean, it's *yucky* but not scary. Playing some of the characters for laughs was cheap (big and little John, that elderly couple that get killed) too, again undermining the scariness. Sigh. I thought the whole schtick with David Gordon Green was that he was a superfan of the original and it'd be a return to Carpenter form. And you said, this one was nearer in spirit to Rob Zombie.

[@hippiecheezburger5457]

Kermode is my favorite movie critic of today

[@davidvillamonte2007]

Finally, a review on HD

[@markbrown9183]

THIS RANT CONTAINS SPOILERS!!! When 'Halloween 2018' tore up everything since 1978 - Laurie wasn't Michael's sister, she never went to the hospital, Loomis didn't shoot Michael in the eyes and blow him to kingdom come - I was annoyed but accepted it as simply a reimagining and at least a way of undoing the atrocity that was 'Halloween Resurrection' after it had dumped all over poor old traumatised-alcoholic-mom-finds-redemption-and-peace Laurie in 'H20'. But to then foist this shit upon us? DGG made 'Halloween 2018' to replace 'Halloween II' but then 'Halloween Kills' sticks Laurie back in a hospital, just like the REAL 'Halloween II' but to do nothing other than be old, burst her stitches and engage in a turgid round of ''It's my fault / no it's MY fault / no it's the curse of evil's fault'' with Hawkins. She doesn't even share a SECOND on screen with Michael and is never even in a single scene involving him! This is so clearly the DGG Halloween trilogy version of 'The Matrix Reloaded' - existing for no other purpose other than to make money as the filler in a trilogy - and it stinks. This film is so poor it is only beaten by 'Halloween V' and 'Halloween Resurrection' in the contest for worst entry in the entire franchise. I loathe the word 'franchise' in terms of films but we all know that 'Halloween' is one. This is the 3rd worst of them all. And yes, I'm also including the Rob Zombie abominations.

[@123rockfan]

Hot take, but I thought this was better than the previous one. The story is definitely all over the place, but I loved the chaotic pace of the film and thought it was genuinely suspenseful. Halloween movies have never been remotely scary to me, so I didn’t expect that going in

[@jimmydbags1070]

Watched this one last night. Absolute tripe. David Gordon green is not a good director and the script was terrible. How many times can you watch myers get killed then get back up and wipe out the entire street?

[@jacobkelly3142]

No mention of Big John and Little John? Criminal.

[@Oldmonstrosityshop]

The trailer told me all I needed to know unfortunately. 60 year old man defies gravity by lifting up a 200lb man with some sort of axe. I thought exactly what Kermode thought: we are back to Halloween 4s, indestructible, super human, unstoppable monster. Bearing in mind that in the original Michael was taken out with a coat hanger and now he has lightning reflexes (60 year old man) and can catch fists, take hits and keep on ticking. Daftness.

[@isabellamorris7902]

for the record I don't think ambiguously non-human/supernatural monsters are necessarily bad, but some stories benefit from being more grounded (ironically it raises the stakes(

[@nigeh5326]

How long before they make Carry on Halloween 😊

[@CraigCairney83]

Yes!!! Finally back in the studio.

[@alexperry4691]

Gotta admit I enjoyed this one, I know the dialogue was cheesy, and you had to suspend logic to the absolute max lol, but I thought the portrayal of Michael was the most menacing I've seen him, and it did have a certain atmosphere that I dug. I quite like the flashback to 1978 at the beginning too. I totally get why some would hate it, but I was pleasantly surprised, though I did go in with low expectations lol

[@Mandrake42]

The low budget nature of some of those old flicks is what made them work. You know the cast and crew were working on a shoestring and it kind of adds to the appeal. When it just goes on and on with bigger budgets though all you are left thinking is "What are they even spending the money on? I mean seriously? This stuff was better and scary when it was held together by chewing gum and paperclips" Edit: Indestructible characters being boring is why they invented Kryptonite for superman. I mean pretty early on it became apparent that if nothing could hurt him then where were the stakes?

[@nifralo2752]

But the people superman cares about aren't indestructible are they?

[@krishermstad]

Halloween Forever is a great name

[@jasonblake924]

Watched it last night, really enjoyed it. Yes it is not as clean and simple as the first reboot, it feels disjointed in the plot but I think it adds to the chaos of it all. I only didn't like the extent of the flash backs.

[@marke2452]

Alright everyone, tonight we finally kill the boogeyman...Anthony Michael Hall grabs a baseball bat.

[@ManCave1972]

How many times will they reboot and remake this movie?

[@blkluv100]

Until idiots stop spending their money on the garbage....in other words.....never.

[@vikinghammer87]

A lot of people are kinda missing the point of this film about what fear does to people. In real life the majority of people just totally freeze up at the slightest sign of confrontation or gripped with fear while the rest will act illogical out of being driven on pure emotion. The reality is, only a small portion of people remain calm and act with logic and intellect in high danger situations. This is exactly what this movie was going for and it achieved that x10

[@fakeigniz13]

I liked it, but it's the difficult middle theme that clearly sets up the final film. In regards to the plot, I think it really deals with how much people don't know about Michael Myers and how that unknown factor drives people to hysteria. Really interested to see how it ends.

[@JackFlash23]

Michael was never going to the hospital. The vigilante mob claimed he was but they were blinded by blood lust. There was a line near the end that said something like “he kills people then goes home” which is what happens in the film. And on the subject of “indestructible”, almost every action film has an indestructible lead character. Why is a character that is clearly set up as indestructible so much worse than a human who is supposed to be normal?

[@deazl666]

Quit making excuses. The movie sucked.

[@JackFlash23]

@@deazl666 Do facts confuse you?

[@TheFlash-rh2el]

@@deazl666 At least they’re trying. “The movie sucked” is something you just can’t say. I didn’t like the film very much, but you’re not the ruler of the world. Just because you didn’t enjoy a film, it doesn’t mean that you can tell others how to feel. Film is a subjective medium, stop butting in to the opinion of others and pretending like you’re revealing a fact.

[@WillsonT011]

@@TheFlash-rh2el if you need to do mental gymnastics justify bad writing, that should tell you something 🤔

[@markbrown9183]

Because I thought DGG was trying to eradicate the entire idea that Michael was indestructible by erasing everything after Carpenter's original. That's my take on it. Yeah, he was tough in the first one and was shot 6 times by Loomis but he was then caught, recovered and and waited. That at least made sense. Now he's just superhuman again.

[@fakeigniz13]

In Heroes, the cheerleader being invincible didn't disolve the threat, because it's the villain who can take her power and thus become invincible that's the threat they're trying to prevent.

[@B_alinjkar]

That absolute restraint from Mark...😆

[@michaelgreene4816]

Forget Halloween. I want the backstory on why Mark wears the black suit!!

[@grunions9648]

Mark tried 3 times to land that "fear is the message but the film's not scary" gag. Might need a rewrite or two.

[@PrinceDepecheMode]

Glad to see this review. Was planning to go see it...

[@chrisbarkerguitar]

Oh dear I guess Michael Myers should hunt down the director! 🎃🎃

[@PublicDomainArchive1]

Halloween Kills was the biggest movie disappointment in awhile. Was surprised with Halloween 2018 and wanted to see more.

[@joelnicholson]

... Halloween Forever, of course, to be followed by Halloween & Robin.

[@steviebellvocals5354]

Here's an idea, take a risk and do something new. That's what all these 'franchises' did in the first place I. E. Something that hadn't been done before

[@celebalert5616]

The movie called Halloween was good. Its sequels are terrible. The cycle repeats.

[@MyCovertNarcissism]

They clearly, very very clearly said right at the start that it was the first of a Trilogy.

[@alistairrobertson2057]

You're right, I remember that too.

[@joydavenport5872]

Yeah, I had no idea it was a trilogy until the end. Cuz at the ending I was so annoyed. A man in his 60s can dominate an entire town while shot, beaten, stabbed and burned alive.

[@chadmiller4601]

With all due respect David Gordon Green and Jason Blum and John Carpenter himself clearly stated that they were intending to create a sequel trilogy to the 78 original. It can be looked up and I mean this with all respect to you. What they DID say that might have confused the one gentleman is that they all could see the 2018 film as a movie that COULD be the ending but they declared they intended a trilogy. They joked had 2018 not done well they might not make the rest lol. But it did fabulous at over 250 million worldwide for a 11 million dollar budget.

[@colonelwhiskey]

After rewatching it I'm realising it wasnt as impressive as i initially thought it was (i think i just badly wanted to see a new Halloween film). Plot was pretty messy and parts of it were way too stretched. The 70s flashback scenes were awesome though, shot very well. I feel the point in the end about Michael being indestructible might be explained more in the next one. Just hope they end it well to tie these new sequels together properly.

[@HeroesZeros]

Yes the story is all over the place. JLC is hardly in it either.

[@Jake-d8d]

I never understood announcing the trilogy after the first film. Why bother seeing Kills then? What's the point, other than filler for the finale?

[@erickenneycreative]

".... Michael Myers makes his way to safety and in pursuit of Laurie Strode." What????? The whole point of the film is to hammer the point that Michael is NOT after Laurie Strode .. just like he wasn't in the 2018 film. Is the film the Godfather? ... no .. but Marks interpretation of the films plot and themes is very wrong. Plot wise: It continues the idea that Michael's killing is indeed random, yet to those that survive him, their identity is completely centered around being his victims. From Laurie to Hawkins to Tommy Doyle to Brackett and in a sense the entire town. They have to believe nothing was an accident when it was. They have to believe Michael sought them out when he didn't. They have to believe fixing things will fix each of them internally. None of that is true. The hospital sequences and the idea that Michael is headed there is a red herring all spurred by this idea that Michael was coming for Laurie, He isn't. Just like he didn't in 2018 like Hawkins tries to explain to Laurie. This red herring and false belief stoke the flames of the mob and ends tragically with the other escapee committing suicide. Thematically: The film is clearly saying that we, each of us, adopt our own boogeymen. Our identity is then forged around that fear and outrage and those feelings warp our perspectives and perceptions. We make ourselves the targets if we desire to be. It doesn't matter what or who that boogeyman is. Whether its Trump, Brexit, Cops, BLM, Russia, Isis, North Korea, or Men, or the wealthy, or any one of the isms, or our own bias and xenophobia, we breathe life into them with our fear and through social media and 24/7 news outlets that fear is amplified through the echo chamber yet in the end all this does is give our own boogeyman more power, more real estate in our heads and thus more fear and the cycle continues. This is why Michael gets up at the end after being attacked. They need him. The town needs him. They need their boogeyman because their identity is nothing without him. At the end of the day this was a slasher film, yet it went way out of its way and beyond any other films in its genre, to use its iconic villain, its setting, and its history of victims to say something important about the modern world and how we as individuals are affecting our own self-centered reality. It deserves kudos for that.

[@rizkifachriansyah4332]

Very well-articulated.

[@patrickd5988]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I feel like Mark totally missed the point of the movie. Knowing this movie was made two years ago it's a scary for reflection how of America is right now.

[@JonTalksEverythingPodcast]

yes Michale was after laurie in halloween 2018 for sure and i was very disappointed that we got no Laurie and Michael scenes in halloween kills

[@erickenneycreative]

@@JonTalksEverythingPodcast Michael was NOT after Laurie in 2018. The only reason he showed up at her house was because his doctor drove him there to create a confrontation. The same doctor who crashed the bus so Micheal could escape. To the doctor it was all an experiment. In the new one, Laurie thinks he is after her but the injured sheriff Hawkins tells her no .. it was all orchestrated by the doctor. The entire hospital scene us a red herring plotline. We like Laurie and the town are supposed to think he is coming there on a mission. He isn't. Michael has no mission. He just kills indiscriminantly and wants to go home. The whole point of these 2 movies is the show that Michael is like a tornado, unbiased in who he takes out in his path. But because he is human, his surviving victims all have succumbed to the identity of being his victim. They then have made the tornado a Boogeyman that has haunted them for 40 years. They give him power. They have built this mythology of him in their heads and with it fear. When really he was just a storm passing through in 1978.

[@JonTalksEverythingPodcast]

@@erickenneycreative i disagree big time and he wss after Laurie and u could tell in the movie and its easy to see Michael as after her

[@MakenshiCritiques]

laurie made it all about her, thats why she kept spreading the theory he was coming to the hospital. This disinfo then tied into the poor mentally ill person from smiths grove trying to get help but then getting chased by the mob. People put 2+2 together to make 5 which led to his suicide. Cautionary tale about opening your mouth and inciting people no matter how well intentioned. The film then steps back and say 'hey laurie, this isnt all about you" (laurie is almost like a rose mcgowan figure), this is a trauma shared by everyone. Does mark even follow the plot in movies anymore?

[@park_rat_matt]

Halloween Kills is garbage.

[@JackFlash23]

Indeed. The hospital part was about mob mentality. There’s literally a scene near the end that explains how Michael was never going to the hospital. He goes home.

[@jonesy6354]

You are spot on. One of the most common criticisms of this film is that its "dumb" yet the people saying that then demonstrate they couldn't even follow the plot!

[@park_rat_matt]

@@jonesy6354 The film is dumb, I love Halloween films but this was a total mess. Yes it had a plot, yes it had some good concepts but it was not a good film. It lost the Michael myers Halloween vibe very early on.

[@calreid6596]

I really don’t understand why these re-revamped films chose to ignore Halloween II (1981). It at least felt like a natural sequel and was very entertaining if not quite as good as the 1978 original. This and 2018’s Halloween simply felt like the love child of parts 4, 5, Curse, H20, and Resurrection.

[@ClichéGuevara-2814]

Perfect idea for a sequel...5 minutes later the same night.

[@BodyOpt]

@@ClichéGuevara-2814 😂

[@menorahdarkness4877]

Rob zombies versions(bar carpenters original)are the best by a mile ...

[@atrio1136]

I have to say the more i watch RZ's Halloween 2, the more i like it.

[@atrio1136]

Also Brad Dourif did a great job as the sheriff and Annie's death scene was gut wrenching.

[@Facesofevildead420]

Watching your spouse getting stabbed over and over again doesn't scare you? That's not horrific? Ohh okay.

[@Facesofevildead420]

@TRISHJERVIS tension free? Is argue that the first movie lacked tension, this one had it in parts. Sure could it have used more ? Maybe

[@I_am_Alpharius__]

I would recommend anyone interested in Halloween to read Curtis Richards novelisation of John carpenters movie,it tells the story of a centuries old curse,Michael Myers is supernatural character which I’m surprised the studios never pushed? My theory is in Halloween ends Myers will die after the curse has no use for him anymore how it happens who knows but I bet the granddaughter gets the curse and possibly passes it onto a new generation,also I should say the covers in small part the child Michael Myers in the asylum and expands on Donald pleasance’s character more which was interesting.

[@markbrown9183]

He's a supernatural force in Halloween 6 Producer's cut.

[@Shinobi_ninja_clan]

Can always count on kermode to give a proper review and never fan boys on anything. As a Halloween fan of over 35 yrs and really liking the 2018 film i'd hoped HK would be good, it's really bad in loads of ways. So disappointed.

[@joeallen1481]

Couldn't agree more. Halloween (1978) is my favourite horror movie and I even quite liked the 2018 sequel but I walked out the cinema very very disappointed after seeing this. Michael Myers at this point is just a one man wrecking ball...

[@cameronjones4741]

Saw it last night. Awful movie. I kind of enjoyed it though. It was so bad it was funny…. shame. The 2019 one was a great film. A true return to form!

[@xaoc6084]

I mean they did kind of set it up as a trilogy as he wasn't pictured in the basement when the building was on fire.

[@stuw4943]

Really enjoyed Halloween (2018), so very disappointed to hear Kills is such a let down.

[@michaelking4150]

it's not it's a lot better than H18 not perfect by any means the structure is a bit of a mess but Myers is very much the bogeyman in it he is great. These toffs have no credibility anymore they are just like the media have a certain agenda they need to aspire to.

[@stuw4943]

@@michaelking4150 Mate…Myers is meant to be the bogeyman…in every Halloween film! So the ‘structure being a bit of a mess’ is not good to hear. Plus, whatever you think of Kermode and Mayo (not sure where you are from), they never seek to affirm the general consensus. That said, I respect your opinion. And thanks for your commentary. I’ll wait until I see the film to comment further.

[@michaelking4150]

@@stuw4943 when i said structure i meant the chaos at the hospital and missed opportunities with certain characters. The structure of the bogeyman was very much intact. The closest shape since 78 he makes the 2018 Michael look very tame. The film has problems sure but Michael Myers aint one of them. He is back to being scary in this one. It's much better than 2018 it is lit like a real Halloween film and actually has suspense in certain moments which is then followed by sheer feeling of dread.

[@stuw4943]

@TRISHJERVIS I’m going to watch Halloween 2018 again first, then get down the cinema to see Kills. But I’ll definitely let you know.

[@stuw4943]

@@michaelking4150 Thanks for your feedback, Michael. I’m looking forward to watching it more now. Love Halloween films, especially Myers ones. What are you top 5 horror films, out of interest?

[@ZombieFoodReviews]

I may be wrong but from the get-go I heard that a trilogy was the plan from the start?

[@greenhandskelly5580]

Michael Myers, the indestructible 77 yeaar old man

[@salsicha4082]

Seriously, if you smoke a joint before watching this movie you are gonna love this film.

[@73fug]

If you smoke a joint before pretty much any movie you enjoy it, i didn't and Halloween Kills was crap

[@stephenkissane4268]

Wasn't h20 supposed to be the end before they did the remake

[@atrio1136]

It was supposed to end before they made Resurrection.

[@richardbravery8410]

The whole PTSD angle was done, along with a lot of other things, better in thr vastly underrated H20 than in Halloween 2018

[@artkub5396]

The only good thing about it is, ironically, an attempt to give Michael Myers motivation.

[@mattedmunds6649]

How old is myers supposed to be? If he was in his late 2teens in 78 then it makes him at least 60. Moves well for 60

[@nifralo2752]

How old is Dr Lumous? 70? 80?

[@DancinJim]

I didn't like it very much, but not for any of the reasons Kermode gives. Second act with the mob mentality was a waste of time, but the actual killing spree Myers went on and the various death scenes were gloriously brutal.

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

-HALLOWEEN 1978 - 8/10 -HALLOWEEN PART II 1981 - 6/10 -HALLOWEEN PART III: SEASON OF THE WITCH - 4/10 -HALLOWEEN PART 4: THE RETURN OF MICHAEL MYERS - 4/10 -HALLOWEEN PART 5: THE REVENGE OF MICHAEL MYERS - 1/10 -HALLOWEEN PART 6: THE CURSE OF MICHAEL MYERS - 3/10 -HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER - 3/10 -HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION - 1/10 -HALLOWEEN 2007 - 4/10 -HALLOWEEN PART II 2009 - 1/10 -HALLOWEEN 2018 - 5/10 -HALLOWEEN KILLS - 6/10

[@chenxiongxiong6778]

What a pathetic mess of a show. The story literally made Michael as an immortal and not human anymore. Wtf with that shit. I thought they make it right with Halloween (the soft reboot) but it certainly not. And this shite gonna have another sequel smfh

[@Roxasamico]

If he was just a human there wouldn't be any sequel

[@wassupinlasvegas9735]

The main thing Halloween Kills' flashbacks did was to diminish the power of the original, very much like each subsequent Scream sequel has done to the original. The main argument at hand in the original Halloween is, does the boogeyman really exist? Laurie Strode was the embodiment of the movie's audience, but she was flanked by Dr. Loomis, a figure of authority who seemed nutty in his beliefs, and Tommy Doyle, who at a young age is impressionable and more believing. Laurie starts out as a non-believer, but by the end, she believes. The story ended on a perfect note that left audiences disturbed. It did its job. Every subsequent sequel since then has essentially failed at trying to put the cat back in the bag and let it out again in some different light. I won't even acknowledge Rob Zombie's attempts.

[@stuartsutton2548]

Well the critics hate it so it's going to be good.

[@rbeng2011]

Have to be honest...I really enjoyed this one. Far more than Halloween (2018). And most the others, to be honest. The 1978 is of course great, but does have issues (how the heck does he drive, etc)? With this one, it did something I've not seen before : he was faced down by authorities, whole mobs of people (both good and debatable)...and faced them down. The mob was ill informed, and thus went off causing it's own mayhem...which then has implications. I want to see where the filmmakers idea takes them. Is this great? I don't think so. But I hadn't seen this in horror for quite a while, maybe ever.

[@cookieface80]

"I don't think there is a thesis" "so at the back of it is an antithetical thesis"

[@philbruce6470]

Saw it the other night. It's only 1 hour 45 but I was SO bored. It constantly jumps back and forth between a Micheal scene to some boring characters you have no investment in talking to each other. It never gains any real pace or tension. The face that he's mentioned Jamie Lee Curtis ALREADY saying that people will be angry at the third one makes me very nervous. Terrible film compared to the last one.

[@jaieighty6812]

This movie was so bad that i'm now closing the Michael Myers story at the original sequel from 1981. Laurie and Michael were related, Dr Loomis sacrificed himself to kill him, the end.

[@pancake5566]

Feel like it should’ve been closed off after the very first movie; that would’ve been perfect if you ask me