HAM RADIO: Flower Pot Antenna, Perfect Stealth Antenna for 2m/70cm

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Mike-M0MSN

Mike-M0MSN

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@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully Mike gets this _pinned_ to help Elmer others, as my other reply buried deep in the bowels of another old comment solved the riddle for a number of folks newer to radio, who didn't quite get how a _section of foil_ over the other antenna elements magically gives you 70cm use?!🤔 If you notice at 3:53 Mike measured and marked the dead center of the dipole elements on the outside of the PVC... then at 11:30 that mark ends up being used and I guess several people didn't catch the connection. The coax portion of the antenna _inside the PVC_ is just like a simple "dipole", _until_ you wrap the foil around the outside with it perfectly centered in between those two 2m dipole elements, making a sort of Frankenstein combination of a collinear/Yagi parasitic antenna element. The foil acts similar to the parasitic elements used in Yagi-Uda antennas, the unpowered/parasitic metal elements of a Yagi-Uda interact as either a reflector or director, a sort of "metal RF mirror" if you will to bounce, funnel _and amplify_ the RF as well, like an old school analog megaphone does with soundwaves, those are waves too right! (like one of these...) media.yourobserver.com/img/photos/2022/10/18/403586_standard_t600x900.jpeg?3735229c1eac3ea66532f06aed1ba359424f7682 The foil in this case also acts as a quarter-wave matching stub/sleeve, it's blocking the RF coming from the center of the "2m" dipole elements which when you use a 70cm wavelength "stacks" them into opposing 70cm elements. Take two 70cm J-poles and "glue them together" at their bases where the coax normally connects, then make the short matching stub out of a tube of foil instead... Make sense now?!
@johnbauman4005
@johnbauman4005 Жыл бұрын
Hi Måc! Wow, thanks for follow up and detailed explanation. I've done a screenshot and added to my "antenna" allbum. Wish there was a better way to capture and link key comments to the parent videos like a KZbin Wiki. We lived in U.P. for 10-11 years and drove through Fircrest all the time (very slowly - your traffic police have no sense of humor!) Kind regards, John
@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 Жыл бұрын
@@johnbauman4005 glad I could shed even more light! I'm an extremely 'visual' kind of thinker and can imagine how things work or fit together in my head (that most people would need to put to paper or use 3D CAD to solve) which also tends to help me illustrate those ideas to others. And yeah no kidding... the fuzz around here are so bored out of their minds with nothing better to do than write traffic tickets for literally going "1" over the posted speed! (Not even joking, some friends of mine here got a couple tickets for 1mph over!) 73 John!
@kiweekeith
@kiweekeith Жыл бұрын
Thanks a Stack for a Brilliant Explanation ..... We here in ChCH, NZ use 477MHz and I am looking for some 'Pointers' as Just how to do this in this Great design .... ????? Strange, I was just thinking last night about just using to J-Poles ..... :-) :-) :-) Best to ALL from ChCH, New Zealand
@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 Жыл бұрын
@@kiweekeith and we just got a big bunch of Kiwis from the store?! 😋
@BarryManatee
@BarryManatee Жыл бұрын
What's confusing me, is that in the diagram the foil sleeve is not centered on that mid point. Have a look at the diagram again, and let me know if I'm losing my mind. To me it's showing more sleeve over the intact coax (lower) than the inner (upper). In the video the sleeve is just folded in half, which wouldn't adhere to the plan. That said, it seems to work, so I'm double confused.
@timothycrossett1963
@timothycrossett1963 9 ай бұрын
Rather than use fishing line to hold the top end in place, I soldered a small loop at the top, drilled a hole through the pipe, and passed a cable tie through. Well, I had cable ties on hand but no fishing line. Excellent antenna, sir.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 9 ай бұрын
Sounds great!
@anti-corruption-anti-tyranny
@anti-corruption-anti-tyranny 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, I have made one of these for when I pass my exam. Thank you for showing us newbies how things are done properly
@martinwillis3551
@martinwillis3551 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, just to let you know that I have constructed one of these flower pot antennas using Ultraflex 7 with Messi and Polaolini connectors. Made to 123 Mhz which is 54cm each leg with 87cm wrap as per Ray G4NSJ instructions and yours. I didn't use the foil because I don't transmit. The results are truly amazing! But not just on air band. I have a Uniden UBC125XLT for VHF and a Tecsun 501X for HF. I can receive all of the Amateur HF band with good signals and the scanner gives me a full 5 bars signal strength for the Tower and Approach frequencies and I am 11 miles from B'ham Airport. I also have a SDRplay RSPdx receiving on a Radio World HF discone and the flower pot far exceeds the discone performance and it's in the same place. I can't seem to get a definitive answer from anybody as to why this performs so well when it's supposed to be just for air band. Maybe you could shed some light on it please. Never the less thank you, thank you for posting your construction. It's a wonder the antenna makers don't go out of business with these flower pot antennas being so good and dirt cheap. Hope you can come up with some comments as I am really intrigued to get an answer. Thank you again.
@alvinpope9315
@alvinpope9315 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the build so far I've built a 5/8 hy gain and a t2lt for 11 meters great reports now I'm going to build me a flower pot antenna hats off to you sir from Trinidad 73s.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
Thank you Alvin. :)
@ryanbeare9806
@ryanbeare9806 2 жыл бұрын
I made this for the 1/3/22 for FMAC contest to go on the side of my bag out portable. Only use a 5 watts handheld got down to Cornwall 138 miles from the Malvern hills and gave me a 55 report. A fantastic antenna, also worked some SOTA stations in north Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Saturday morning . Great video Mike keep them coming. 73’s M7HFD
@jlukshooting
@jlukshooting 4 жыл бұрын
Put one of these together this evening. Literally 25 minutes work. Didn't have any 25mm pipe so used 22m. Works perfectly first time, no tuning at all needed. Thanks Mike. 2E0RSC
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@DXCommanderHQ
@DXCommanderHQ Жыл бұрын
Mike, I have to make this myself with that grey tubing and some of that fancy heat-shrink.. Then give it away!
@BASSLINEPFP
@BASSLINEPFP 3 жыл бұрын
Inventor of this antenna unfortunately passed away this year. RiP John Bishop
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
yes indeed
@yuzarjalil1987
@yuzarjalil1987 Жыл бұрын
RIP Master John Bishop, thanks a lot for the masterpiece you shared
@josemariatrueba4568
@josemariatrueba4568 3 күн бұрын
Mr Bishop in 1993 presented his flowerpot but he did give credit to previous designs from the 80s, as I have seen written at his vk2zoi website. In fact this is a simplified version of the very wide band vertical dipoles seen at airports all over the world. Being the main difference this version not as wide band because using a thin wire on top and the external part of the braid as the other half of the dipole. I think that the best part was adding a choke at the very bottom which is the main modification of the classical coaxial dipole concept seen at airports for decades. A simple dipole is more effective for airplanes flying high or to be able to get out in a valley, than a longer "gain antenna" which is ideal over flat terrain without close hills around. The best part is that an effective half wave antenna can be made for any vhf or uhf frequency in a few minutes with just a coaxial cable and no tools at all. I like the idea of building one for the 6m band and using it also at the 2m band, and 70cm band, at a frequency three times higher, very much the same as using a 40m dipole for the 15m band. I have built one dipole for 145Mhz and another one for the marine band. Now I may try the 6m band version on 2m and 70cm, looking for a very simple three band antenna.
@grumpy_ken
@grumpy_ken 5 ай бұрын
I bought a very similar collinear antenna for GMRS from Ed Fong. Great video, looking forward to building one!
@krisraps
@krisraps 3 жыл бұрын
Whatever Antenna Projects Im Looking For - Always Pops Up Mike With His Cool Videos :)
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Kris
@G0USL
@G0USL 4 жыл бұрын
I've made several flowerpots, for 2m/70cm and for 4metres - Great antennas, I tested the vhf/uhf one at 6feet off the floor and during testing managed a 40mile contact. Probably the same performance as some shop bought white sticks...
@jest.S50SI
@jest.S50SI Жыл бұрын
I made it toooo😇 And worke just super. Thanke you Mike
@virsad
@virsad 7 ай бұрын
I build one for my Boafeng and tested it against the 2 other UV-5R antennas I had. It had the lowest SWR of any other antenna we tested.
@JosephVE3GKT
@JosephVE3GKT 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I was licensed in February 2020, and really wanted to build this antenna. I was finally able to do so today, and opened a repeater 30km away with my UV-5R! 73 de VE3GKT!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! Congrats on your exam.
@tanglewoood
@tanglewoood 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of wire stripper do you use? I've never seen a stripper that strips wires and coax with no adjustment. Please guide me to purchasing one for myself!
@elliottdmann
@elliottdmann 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a new ham from Texas. I've been looking for a way to get the most out of my HT as it's the only radio I have, so I followed your instructions and built this! I appreciate the detail and antenna analysis; I don't have the equipment to properly test mine, so I'm trusting your work. The signal reports I've received so far suggest that it works great. Thanks for the quality instruction.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@kelstajames7319
@kelstajames7319 4 жыл бұрын
That is a brilliant home brew antenna. Great work!
@ben2e0omr
@ben2e0omr 4 жыл бұрын
Superb video and explanation Mike. I now know how to hide/disguise an antenna from my neighbours. Hiding the feed line is the next problem.
@jamesgoacher1606
@jamesgoacher1606 4 жыл бұрын
That is the best videoed construction project I have seen. Thankyou so much.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
James Goacher thank you.. 😁😁
@sammysame
@sammysame 4 жыл бұрын
This cleared up many things for me...thanks!
@DrJeffGilbert
@DrJeffGilbert Жыл бұрын
Brilliant!!!!! Jolly good show!
@DLBard-bv2nd
@DLBard-bv2nd 2 ай бұрын
Another great video. 🤗 Thanks
@1337flite
@1337flite 3 жыл бұрын
Nice idea with the tape measure as a helping hand. Thanks for the video.
@tav9755
@tav9755 Жыл бұрын
Great job. Like your multiuse workbench
@luc5543
@luc5543 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for making it seem so easy! It was enough to convince me to attempt and lo and behold, several hours later I could finally join the Essexham Monday night net @ the Danbury repeater! Should have seen me with one hand out of the window holding it and the HT in the other. I wonder whether I might get a better perf with a dipole though, guess only way is to build one. :)
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
You got it... :)
@CaTuber
@CaTuber 2 жыл бұрын
It IS a dipole.
@stevenaustin2860
@stevenaustin2860 3 жыл бұрын
hi mike just finished my flowerpot 2m 70cm and it works a treat mate im getting into gb3pt in liverpool and im 20 miles away in skelmersdale west lancishire and it was just on the floor against a bush lol works well 73 M7BYF ILL be trying the 6m one next because realy enjoyed that
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant glade it was helpful Steve. :)
@sly200sx
@sly200sx 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, worked a treat. Swr was super low and both bands.
@tixilx
@tixilx 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting .... Nice relaxed presentation.... Looking forward to making one ☘️
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome 😊
@chrisupdegrave810
@chrisupdegrave810 3 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on sliding a couple foam pucks with a center hole down the pipe to keep the coax and wire centered inside the pipe? Do you think it would affect the performance like resonance?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 ай бұрын
good idea
@willian.direction6740
@willian.direction6740 4 жыл бұрын
Great antenna Mike took the one i made the other night out on a SOTA trip and worked my mate over a path of 70km. I had the flower pot about 3 m up my sqid pole vx8 at 5w and vk5is was using his handy rig with its own antenna. Half scale sigs on both rigs. vk5cz ..
@alandavis5255
@alandavis5255 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Chris/ Natalie thank you very much for the video look forward to the next one best 73 stay safe de.M1DHA..
@paul1962uk
@paul1962uk 9 ай бұрын
I have a loft antenna , my intention is to run the coax down the wall inside the plasterboard (trying to keep the Mrs happy by not having surface mounted cable or trunking) is there a so239 mounted on a blanking plate available or will I need do make up my own?
@OldManonaBike-jg3ej
@OldManonaBike-jg3ej 13 күн бұрын
Hi Mike, great video, I don't spose you can tell me where to get the diagram from & what is the gauge of the red wire ? Many thanks Guy, M7XZZ
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 күн бұрын
vk2zoi.com/articles/half-wave-flower-pot/
@martinfrancis7080
@martinfrancis7080 4 жыл бұрын
Nice project and one for me to do in the spring. Could you do a video for a 6m version please Mike?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
yes will do.. :)
@ellerbestrawberryfestival2079
@ellerbestrawberryfestival2079 4 жыл бұрын
The red cable that you used, I could not see any detail on the gauge. Is it critical to get that matched?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Ellerbe Strawberry Festival It is 1mm stranded flex, BTW, it was not UV safe so is now orange. :)
@craig090uk
@craig090uk Жыл бұрын
I want to make a wire aerial for walking up high ground. Would this do for 446? Or would it need to be a little shorter? Thanks, Craig
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
yep
@drewby4563
@drewby4563 2 жыл бұрын
Hi ! What gauge is the red cabled wire please sir ?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 жыл бұрын
1.5mm.
@drewby4563
@drewby4563 Жыл бұрын
Hi ! I've finished it , I've put heat shrink on the conduit it's a little on the heavy side now but it's waterproof
@Kieran2i0idj
@Kieran2i0idj Жыл бұрын
What size is the red cable . Thanks
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
1mm
@mariogracieux8946
@mariogracieux8946 Ай бұрын
​@@mike-M0MSNes de material aluminio o cobre ? Gracias 73
@michaelt.9372
@michaelt.9372 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@phillipsiviter2024
@phillipsiviter2024 4 жыл бұрын
Great project Mike, stealthy too.
@pidgeonplucker
@pidgeonplucker 4 жыл бұрын
What a great tutorial, I've seen plans for this antenna for a few years now and always thought I will have a go at that. Your video inspired me to build one too, it's turned out great, I am looking for a bottle cap to seal up the top end, so I can mount it on a pole outside. Cheers 73's. Idris Mw1abz
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the flowers, upside down coke bottle top works
@boxingday11
@boxingday11 4 жыл бұрын
Nice project Mike, thanks, regards,Carl.
@BobHolowenko
@BobHolowenko 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Liem Nissan was a ham! Great work Mike.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
😂 lol
@robhawkins2492
@robhawkins2492 4 жыл бұрын
Might try that at the weekend Mike. Many thanks
@markg6jvy135
@markg6jvy135 4 жыл бұрын
Good project Mike, keep em coming 👍
@OK-pg6mv
@OK-pg6mv 9 ай бұрын
Question: In the video, your coil has 9 turns. On your website, in the photo of the final version, the coil has 13 turns. Why did you increase the number of turns in the final version?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 8 ай бұрын
To reduce the RF going back to the shack, not needed but .....
@raydentong7tqt
@raydentong7tqt 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant thorough build demonstration. I will be sharing your video around as it's one of the best I have come across. 73 Ray G7TQT
@alanoliver6030
@alanoliver6030 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your build of this antenna. Just past my foundation exam and only allowed 10 watts. Is there an antenna that I could build that would satisfy 10 watts? Only able to pick up GB3HN from my handheld at my location.
@xe1thz
@xe1thz 4 жыл бұрын
Gracias muchos videos dan vueltas y vueltas tratando de explicar, es genial tu video tanto para los nuevos como para los que tenemos varios años en la Radio, un abrazo desde México, XE1YO ;) Gracias 73´s
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Gracias 73
@lambishatzidakis5152
@lambishatzidakis5152 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice video! I am not clear why you add 2cm on 45.7 to find the midpoint. Could you please explain? Thanks.
@toxmaster1
@toxmaster1 10 ай бұрын
Yes, i am also not clear with this?
@ianxfs
@ianxfs 4 жыл бұрын
Good project for people to try and excellent results 👍🏻
@ACSAIL67
@ACSAIL67 4 жыл бұрын
Great job Mike! Thank you for your clear tutorial very well done! I will do it soon, I'm just testing the new Popovic dual band antenna realized with poor material but now, I will realize your Flower Pot Antenna! Great, I just have a couple of doubts on the measure you show between the tail and the end of the mass of the coax...I will see again the tutorial doing the job! Thank you again, BRGDS 73 IZ0AIO - Angelo
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
This may help.. vk2zoi.com/articles/half-wave-flower-pot/
@ACSAIL67
@ACSAIL67 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Thank you so much! Now Everything is clear to me! I will proceed as soon as I have a bit of time...just another question, I have a 20mm PVC conduit, can I use it of is necessary a 25mm because of spires? Thank you for your kind help! Ciao
@dr.k_6016
@dr.k_6016 Жыл бұрын
Very cool build. I just ordered a cheap 2m radio off of Amazon, and I thought a better antenna would greatly improve the performance. There is just one thing I don't understand. At about 11:45, where you're putting the metal foil around, centered at the center point of the PVC, the metal foil is not connected to anything? It just wraps on the outside of the PVC? The antenna can work with 2m and 70cm without any kind of switching? Forgive my questions, I've been studying antenna theory for about 2 hours now ! Very little experience of knowledge.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
the antenna will work without the foil however the foil is there as a parasitic 70cm element
@TonyBlews
@TonyBlews 2 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming a non-rigid version where the pipe is only used to form the coil, is possible. The whole thing would be suspended from the top of a kite-pole, with the pipe possibly sliding over the pole. I'll know soon enough anyway.
@kirkgroeneveld3191
@kirkgroeneveld3191 4 жыл бұрын
What is that bright yellow and green striped tape that you use to wrap and mark with? Is it available in the U.S.?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
No idea, it is PVC tape from a DIY store
@millersfoto
@millersfoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. would it matter if I used 1.5mm solid single core instead of the 1mm and could you tell me what type of coax did you use? Thank you.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Yep you can use that, the Co-ax was RG58..
@yum4906
@yum4906 2 жыл бұрын
What is posible happen if we made flowerpot antenna without coil?
@janpelanek3477
@janpelanek3477 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice video. Please have a question. What is the purpose of the aluminum foil around the perimeter of the pipe? Need if I want to listen to radio traffic on Air Frequency?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
It is for 70cm, phasing,
@janpelanek3477
@janpelanek3477 3 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN I'm sorry. I'm not educated in this area. Does aluminum foil have a positive effect on listening to the air zone? The frequency range of the air band is 108-136 MHz thanks
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
No, it would be better without for the air bands, but I would suggest you will not see any difference if you leave in on.
@janpelanek3477
@janpelanek3477 3 жыл бұрын
​@@mike-M0MSN thanks you ;-)
@BlaireBustillo
@BlaireBustillo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing 👍🏻
@bart63
@bart63 4 жыл бұрын
Hi love the video just starting out on sdr radio can you tell me the best coax to use 50 ohm or 75 ohm thanks Arthur
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Arthur, you should alway check the radio but I bet it uses 50 ohm coax. :)
@richtaylor6773
@richtaylor6773 3 жыл бұрын
HI, I've had a go at the 2/70 flower pot this morning. I enjoyed the vid and building along. However, on completion my SWR on 2M is high. It tunes in great at 150Mhz?? Also, I get no reading at all on 70cm.... CAn you think what I may have done wrong? Rich
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the elements are a little short, not a problem, just add 3cm of wire to the top element and re-SWR. :)
@richtaylor6773
@richtaylor6773 3 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Hi, I've sorted the problem on 2m but I still get nothing on 70cm. I'm testing with a n MJF269 and it shows nothing at all on 70CM. Working great now on 2Mtr
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
@@richtaylor6773 so if I am reading this right, you have no SWR reading on 70cm at all? What is the reading just outside the band? 446mHz? 438mHz? Is the transmitter working? No reading or very high reading? Cheers
@richtaylor6773
@richtaylor6773 3 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN I test my mfj269 on my house 2/70 antenna and get the same reading of nothing. I may have a problem with my analyser I didn’t know I have. Looking on bright side that’s Something else to research and buy lol... thanks for all your help
@garryvandeensmith2133
@garryvandeensmith2133 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers Mike, another lockdown project to tinker with. Anything to stop this one being made "suitcase packable"? I.e. without the conduit? Foil tape wrap direct on the cable & the same "air core" choke position & dimensions?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Cut the conduit in half and use a straight connector, foil rap needs to be spaced 10mm off the coax...
@washingtonstatepicker3460
@washingtonstatepicker3460 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of strippers do you use? Mine only do standard wire and dont grip enough to do that well!
@dr2man
@dr2man 4 ай бұрын
Any advise on tuning it if not quite the swr Im looking for?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 ай бұрын
begin with the point at which you connect the coax, move it up or down a little bit and see what happens...
@robsonsonsala9973
@robsonsonsala9973 4 жыл бұрын
Parabéns aqui Robson do Brasil bem explicado a construção da antena
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Muito Obrigado
@gabrielvelez2889
@gabrielvelez2889 Жыл бұрын
Whats the size of the red cable!! 73!!
@saechannel9848
@saechannel9848 3 жыл бұрын
if the paralon pipe reaches a length of three meters, can it or not? thank you
@SMShannon55
@SMShannon55 2 жыл бұрын
If I made this from 75 ohm RG6 coax, is there anything special I would need to know? Or is it just a bad idea all around?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 жыл бұрын
Give it a go, should be fine..
@gregorykusiak5424
@gregorykusiak5424 2 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN RG6 has a different (much higher) V factor than RG58, and using the web calculator from the start of the video, you get very different dimensions
@ZL1BQDRoly
@ZL1BQDRoly 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video again Mike..... cheers
@jermanoid
@jermanoid 3 жыл бұрын
How many watts have you pushed through it?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
Up to around 100watts
@tixilx
@tixilx 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike ... Do you have a link or details of your coax / cable stripper ... looks to be a nice one ... Tnx ... Gerry
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
RS Componants
@tixilx
@tixilx 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Thabks Mike ... Appreciate your reply .... Enjoy the rest of your day 🇮🇪
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 4 жыл бұрын
Now that impressed me, but I think I missed something along the way. The coax from the coil went back through the pipe to the radio, yes? How did you use the foil to get the 70cms. Sometimes you speed up your video just a bit to much and it is easy to miss something. If you were new to this and just got your licence it might be hard to follow. The only bit I didn't quite get was the 70cms bit Mike. Have you a Website it is on? Or can you explain it here or the next time you are on Discord? That is an excellent aerial for someone that is in a flat with a balcony. I like it and might have to result to it myself. Now can you build one for 80 meters? Only joking!
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
bob fourjs foil acts like a co-linear not sure how but it works, and yes the coax goes back inside the pipe and out at the bottom.
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN I am going to have to look this one up. It is a new one to me, but it shouldn't be as Ham Radio Concepts did one and put plastic flowers over it and put it on his mothers porch. I can't remember if it did 70cms, This is good, I need to get my head round this one. Thanks for the reply.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
vk2zoi.com/articles/dual-band-half-wave-flower-pot/
@BoB4jjjjs
@BoB4jjjjs 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks Mike, just what I need :-))
@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 4 жыл бұрын
@@BoB4jjjjs The coax portion of the antenna inside the PVC is like a dipole, the foil goes around the outside perfectly centered in the exact middle of the dipole elements and makes more of a collinear; if you notice he measured and marked the dead center of the dipole elements on the outside of the PVC at 3:53 but you have to wait until 11:30 where that mark ends up being used.
@timg5tm941
@timg5tm941 4 жыл бұрын
Great job Mike 73
@Lennymc39
@Lennymc39 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, Thanks for the video. Just made my first antenna ;-) Question, Can the tinfoil section be wrapped with tape to save it from peeling?
@WillieJu
@WillieJu 2 жыл бұрын
Is this considered a half wave antenna on both bands?
@gastello1977
@gastello1977 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job, Mike! Can You tell me, please, - how many turns I have to wind for balun if I will use rg-8 or rg -213?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 жыл бұрын
Should be the same, it equals a 1/4 wave in length
@gastello1977
@gastello1977 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You, Sir
@mariogracieux8946
@mariogracieux8946 Ай бұрын
​@@mike-M0MSNestimado, todas las medidas de la antena son las mismas si uno utiliza RG58 o RG8 o RG213 ?? Gracias. Mario de Argentina!..73
@idlesquirrel
@idlesquirrel 8 ай бұрын
I see the red wire is 1mm “18 gauge”. Could I use 16 gauge instead or would it change too much
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 8 ай бұрын
you can use that yes
@idlesquirrel
@idlesquirrel 8 ай бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN thanks. Already made and it turned out great
@azzamdernayka2249
@azzamdernayka2249 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, comparing flowerpot dual band, flowerpot dual band high gain and the ground plane dual band you built, which one perfomed the best?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
They was not a lot in it, I would say it was between high gain and the ground plane simply because I could get it higher the Ground Plane....
@shawnp6653
@shawnp6653 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice! The part I don't understand Mike is how you get away with using the kitchen counter for your workbench :)
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
Me neither
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one Mike! I was intrigued by the phasing sleeve and must give it a go. Is the sticky back foil a building /DIY item?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it is!
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks, I've found it now.
@gbpauluk
@gbpauluk 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike,another very informative video, can this antenna be made out of RG mini8 coax without having any effects on the antenna. Thanks in advance Paul.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can!
@gbpauluk
@gbpauluk 4 жыл бұрын
@@mike-M0MSN Thanks Mike I put my flowerpot antenna up at 30ft today and its working very well. 👍👍
@alvinpope9315
@alvinpope9315 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the build such a great antenna and very budget friendly 73s from 9Z4APA .
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
Very welcome
@stevenaustin2860
@stevenaustin2860 3 жыл бұрын
hi mike great video mate im ready to build one but my pipe is only 21mm wide that won,t matter will it
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
No worries 21mm will work well
@reneruigrok8592
@reneruigrok8592 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike. Sorry for being noob, but i like to know how the alu tape for the 70cm works. Its not attached to the coax in any way.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
parasitic element, but the antenna would work without it as it is an harmonic of 430MHz
@uu-uu2hm
@uu-uu2hm 3 ай бұрын
How far it can hit that antenna ?
@krivi69
@krivi69 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. I saw your antenna project and i would like to make a antenna for a fm stereo reciever, from 89 to 104,8 Mhz. Could you please calculate the measurments for my aplication. Tnx
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
300 / Freq /4 = 1/4 WAVE. so 300/95= 3.1578 / 4 = 79cm each leg. top 79cm, coax 79cm, coil 79cm,
@jkbish1
@jkbish1 3 жыл бұрын
I like this. I made a 2 meter ground-plane but it measures out between 1.3 and 1.4 swr, I think your project might be a better solution. I need it to run reliable winlink messaging.
@lee2e0wyk60
@lee2e0wyk60 4 жыл бұрын
Great little project & they work very well. Loving the new intro graphics also. 👍👍
@thomasfleenor5336
@thomasfleenor5336 Жыл бұрын
What are the measurements in inches
@stanblundell4854
@stanblundell4854 4 жыл бұрын
I can only get hold of 22mm pipe, will it work and will it still be 9 coils?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you should get away with that, you may have to use 10 turns at the coil.. :)
@stanblundell4854
@stanblundell4854 4 жыл бұрын
Mike-M0MSN thank you for the speedy response, I was on Charley Bravo in the 70’s but a newly licensed ham and am trying to get a decent indoor signal, 73’s M7MGP
@rizkyp
@rizkyp 2 жыл бұрын
Does the diameter of the pipe matters?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
yes the bigger the less turns required.
@M7BXR
@M7BXR 3 жыл бұрын
I just found out the hard way that Australian 2m and 70cm bands are different by using the instructions from the source (now sadly silent key) seems mine is hmm, okay but resonant frequencies on both bands a little high. SWR is great just OOB. Oops! 😂
@reeingre
@reeingre 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to build this for 70cm only?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 2 жыл бұрын
yes, but why.
@luc5543
@luc5543 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is the first antenna build video that I watched that is not about some form of dipole. Weird not to see the coax braid connected to it. Good one though!
@asahoura2798
@asahoura2798 2 жыл бұрын
This is basically a dipole antenna. One leg is the bare wire on the end, the other leg is the unstripped portion of coax which will radiate from the end of the braid down to the balun.
@marcoandaloro7925
@marcoandaloro7925 8 ай бұрын
it's cool, but why would you need one?
@Nortesport
@Nortesport 3 жыл бұрын
I have an abundance of RG59 coax (75ohm) would that be ok Sir ?
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 3 жыл бұрын
yep you can use that. :)
@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 Жыл бұрын
you "can" use it, I mean... the impedance for a center-fed dipole is 75Ω at the feed point so it usually makes a good match, the real problem is if you need a long run of coax from the radio to the antenna because "most" 75Ω coax is cheap because it's "lossy", you lose lots of transmit wattage. Also if this was a different type of vertical you'd end up with more reflected power. As a rule if you want your radio to live long test to see if the SWR is acceptable enough at the radio side (test on the radio's LOWEST power setting at 1st too!) then if needed build or buy a balancing transformer if the impedance is really high (called either a balun or unun depending which kind is needed) or even a manual antenna tuner or use some matching coax stubs to help match up the impedance to the 50Ω connection in your radio. Check the SWR, because given enough time and wattage it can eventually COOK the final transistors in a good number of cheaper radios, which don't exactly have very beefy high SWR protection circuitry that goes into a "limp mode" to throttle back the wattage! Ask me how I know!? 😅😳😱😭Letting the proverbial smoke out of a $200 radio... never a fun day! but if this was a different type of vertical you'd end up with more reflected power. As a rule if you want your radio to live long test to see if the SWR is acceptable enough at the radio side (test on the radio's LOWEST power setting at 1st too!) then if needed build or buy a balancing transformer if the impedance is really high (called either a balun or unun depending which kind is needed) or even a manual antenna tuner or use some matching coax stubs to help match up the impedance to the 50Ω connection in your radio. Check the SWR, because given enough time and wattage it can eventually COOK the final transistors in a good number of cheaper radios, which don't exactly have very beefy high SWR protection circuitry that goes into a "limp mode" to throttle back the wattage! Ask me how I know!? 😅😳😱😭Letting the proverbial smoke out of a $200 radio... never a fun day!
@josemariatrueba4568
@josemariatrueba4568 3 күн бұрын
​@@macgyver5108 Most 75 ohm coaxial cable is not very lossy because it's made for tv and satellite receivers. RG58 is ok fir short runs but it's much lossy than the typical 75 ohm coaxial made for tv and satellite frequencies up to 1GHz or above.
@macgyver5108
@macgyver5108 2 сағат бұрын
@@josemariatrueba4568 that's for different frequencies. For TV use and certain HF sure one "specific brand" might not be lossy, but test it again at various radio frequencies in say the VHF range and...
@UABFWSS
@UABFWSS 6 ай бұрын
Made one, works great.
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 6 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@craigbaldwin9085
@craigbaldwin9085 Жыл бұрын
Hi mike Do you sell them
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN Жыл бұрын
sorry no. :(
@PetersVerkstad
@PetersVerkstad 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video though I am a beginner. I have a 32 mm pipe. Does it mattet? Thanks for answering😊. /Peter Sweden
@mike-M0MSN
@mike-M0MSN 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter, you can use 32mm pipe that will not be an issue, :)
@PetersVerkstad
@PetersVerkstad 4 жыл бұрын
Mike-M0MSN Ok, Mike! I followed your instructions and built an antenna. Works just fine 😊👍. Thanks! /Peter
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