Hammond B3 organ vs Hammond Suzuki XK3

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Jim Alfredson

Jim Alfredson

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@AdhamOhm
@AdhamOhm 7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting how Hammond originally considered the "key click" in their early organs to be a design defect and worked to eliminate it, but it ended up being a well-loved feature by many musicians to the point it's now an iconic sound in many jazz and rock songs. Now, ironically, many digital synthesizer manufacturers still haven't emulated the key click very well.
@laura-ann.0726
@laura-ann.0726 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! I am not a musician, but just a fan of the lovely sound of tonewheel organs. I had no idea than modern digital instruments could reproduce the sound of a B3 so accurately. Since it has been a long time now since tonewheel organs were last manufactured, I am glad that new technology will keep that classic sound alive for a long time into the future.
@originalhammonorgan
@originalhammonorgan 14 жыл бұрын
I watched this video several times. You are a great player. I own a 1957 C3 and XK3c. As I commented a few weeks ago, the chorus on the XK is not there, period. But it is clear from this vided (which is great) that the B3 is responding to your hand - what and how you play. You will play it 10 times, and it will sound different every time. The XK is synthetic and doesn't respond to your feel, this is the soul that so many people say the XK lacks.
@danielememo9089
@danielememo9089 9 ай бұрын
Che cavolo di discorsi.... se è per questo prendi 100 B3 e suoneranno tutti diversi....e ti garantisco che alcuni suonano pure male...questione di taratura dei generatori....deriva dei condensatori di filtraggio sia del generatore che della line shift vibrato/chorus.... e allora che fai...? Io sono un tecnico professionista e saprei cosa fare... e te che sei così informato che cazzo faresti...? Lascia stare....prima studia. Ciao.
@RicCrouch
@RicCrouch 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a guitar/bass player, but there's just something I find pretty dang cool about the sound of a well-played Hammond... :)
@sheckieshpilka
@sheckieshpilka 11 жыл бұрын
I've added 400lbs of cast iron weights to my XK3 to make it that much more like the "real thing,"
@johnyuristy6137
@johnyuristy6137 10 жыл бұрын
Good one!
@grahammattsson7515
@grahammattsson7515 7 жыл бұрын
The B3 is not quite portable is it, unless you have lots of able bodies to help
@therealborischang
@therealborischang 6 жыл бұрын
LMAO Yes, the B3 is portable-if you have two huge roadies to “port” it. And to add to the simulation, burn a pile of money when you buy it. And burn a small pile maybe every six months to simulate having a vintage B3 Technician drop by to perform maintenance.
@ctpctp
@ctpctp 6 жыл бұрын
I found a great way to get mine to gigs - www.carsbase.com/photo/Terex-Titan-pic-19887.html
@221b-l3t
@221b-l3t 5 жыл бұрын
@@therealborischang If you can handle some basic soldering and follow instructions it's easily done yourself. Perhaps not easily but it's not that expensive. Granted not a B3 but my T200 cost 150 bucks and not a dime since. Leslie only works on one setting but I haven't even tried cleaning all the contacts. But I did get it to click and roar like a real B3 thanks to some excellent resistor snipping guide. You can get away cheaper than an XK3 with a real one. Makes a nice piece of furniture too ;) Not sure about the B3 but there is a mod for the T series where you chop it up and essentially turn it into a heavy analog XK. XK is probably better if you want something practical but if you like tinkering an old one is the way to go. Honestly I'd get a B3 for home and recording and an Xk for the road.
@LisaBellaDonnaMusic
@LisaBellaDonnaMusic 7 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent video. About to pickup one an xk3 and I'm very excited about it. You're a great organist and an excellent demonstration speaker. Thank you for sharing this video!
@benzuckerman
@benzuckerman 11 жыл бұрын
They both sound great. This is the first time I have ever heard such an accurate comparison, and it has given me a new appreciation of the clone. I really appreciate you taking the time to make and post this video. Great job! I am going to check out some of your videos. I have a very old Hammond CV which I love, but I am thinking about something more portable as well.
6 жыл бұрын
Really professional way of comparing two machines. Fantastic!
@buddylove9484
@buddylove9484 4 жыл бұрын
Nice chops brother, I worked in the organ biz for many years and had a similar A-B setup to demo the Suzuki clones against the original Hammonds... Dr. Lonnie Smith used to stop by and jam on my gear often making a mini concert out of his visits, anyway...very nice playing.
@stevewerbicki3388
@stevewerbicki3388 11 жыл бұрын
By the way, of all the videos on KZbin regarding Hammond organs, the Ventilator, XK3, etc, I think your videos are by far the best. Keep up the great work!
@peterofenbaeck405
@peterofenbaeck405 6 жыл бұрын
your voice mike is real good. It gave me a shock having you right here in my living room.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 12 жыл бұрын
The 1122 works great with the XK3c. I would definitely recommend the XK3c over the older XK3. $2695 isn't bad. Look into the SK2 as well. I just got one a few weeks ago. I love it.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
The video I posted that currently has the most hits? This oldie but goodie! Thankfully I've lost quite a few pounds since then! I need to do a new vid comparing the SK2 to a B3.
@stuffnuns
@stuffnuns 6 жыл бұрын
Please do a comparison with the B3 and the "Vintage B3 Organ" plugin included in Logic Pro X. I do think that emulation is really good. ...I used to tour with an L100(in the '70's!!), and it sounded a lot like the Suzuki, re. very bright. The advantage of that was that the organ could cut thru the band.
@stevewatkins1221
@stevewatkins1221 Жыл бұрын
Yep, amazing demo/comparison. Based on this I just bought one, now the proud owner of an XK3. Long missed playing my old Hammond which I let go some years ago. Thank you so much for this!
@tomsmith8781
@tomsmith8781 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like the sound of a B3!
@LMacNeill
@LMacNeill 6 жыл бұрын
Ooh - the differences really stand out when you enable Chorus. Far brighter on the XK3... But, all things considered, I’m quite impressed with the sound you’re getting out of that XK3! I would be totally happy owning one of those. Very “crunchy” Hammond sound! Really like it!!
@tommykatona1984
@tommykatona1984 12 жыл бұрын
Jim, you are an amazing player I really appreciate what you're doing! Even though I'm a guitarist the sound of the B3 gives me chills every time I hear it. Thank you!
@KorinaBrother
@KorinaBrother 6 жыл бұрын
I did not read all replies, as this is an old video. For what it's worth, instead of using the roll off filter to adjust the factory key click, in the menu, one can adjust the keyclick volume parameter, If I recall correctly , 0 to 10. That annoyed me when I bought my XK-3 14 years ago. First thing I did was dial that back. as always, YMMV. Thanx for the great video!
@monomakes
@monomakes 14 жыл бұрын
I'm not an organist, but it was a pleasure just listening to and watching your licks!
@WILLIAMDAVIDLEVINSN
@WILLIAMDAVIDLEVINSN 15 жыл бұрын
Jim; Thanks for the down to earth A/B comparison. Great playing, and you are a 1st rate teacher. Bill Levinson
@SluffAdlin
@SluffAdlin 9 жыл бұрын
subscribed...thanks Jim...I have a '64 B-3 with a Leslie 251. Though I am mainly a guitar player I love old tonewheel Hammonds and Leslies. Digital technology is getting better but I still prefer the original.
@B3burner
@B3burner 6 жыл бұрын
You’ve done an amazing job adjusting those parameters to tweak the XK. I’m late to the party, but thanks for sharing.
@geezkeys
@geezkeys 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely stunning playing as always, and great comparisons there :) I play an XK-3C through a vintage 145 and sounds great.
@eg244
@eg244 15 жыл бұрын
Used to carry around a B3 playing in the rock clubs in Detroit. Watching this made me wish I was still in the biz. Save my back and pack it in a car!
@bengreens
@bengreens 12 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you! Fantastic job of demonstrating the two units. Also a marvelous demonstration of the musical concept of tension and release. The tension of one hand holding the mike (mic, whatever, I'm old) while the other plays teaser riffs--super-tasty each one, but each one promising so much more. And when the mike goes down and both hands go to work, the promise is delivered. Sweet release, and over all too soon. Must watch your other vids in search of more!
@nytom4info
@nytom4info 9 жыл бұрын
Very nice presentation.... Thank you James...
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 4 жыл бұрын
I produced a record with a band that purchased a perfect B3 just for the session and left it in my studio for awhile. A guest player brought in an XK3 and we spent an afternoon comparing. The XK was very impressive in that context but it was literally impossible to not be affected by the physical presence of that beautiful B3. It’s possible to get oh so close with a bit of work in the control room but it was sure nice to have the real thing.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 12 жыл бұрын
Yes. Global tuning options are available and easy to change.
@zachlafleur6651
@zachlafleur6651 10 жыл бұрын
All of this that I know about Hammond Organs and I have never owned one (yet that is)! I have played one at least once that I can remember! In January of 2011 Discount Dave's had one in his furniture store in which I had came into looking for an affordable armoire or wardrobe for my new room that we had added on to our house, however, I didn't find any of these! (All of these were too expensive for my tastes)! Then I saw this, I believe it was a L100 or M 100 spinet organ for $175, and said to my dad "look at this, someone's old ballpark organ" and he said that "it probably was"! So, I sat down and turned it on and voila, it was plugged in and did indeed still play music! However, this more than likely wasn't a tone wheel organ, because it didn't have separate start and run switches, it probably was one of their later transistor organs with a built in amplifier, speakers and Leslie! I kind of regret not buying it, but after all, it was not even a console model, and as I remember it didn't have those preset keys that we talked about, however it did have some (not all) drawbars! Also, even after they switched manufacturing from tone wheel to transistor organs, they still were quite heavy and not very mobile! Whereas, my Yamaha Digital Keyboard(s)! (I have had a YPT 200 since 2005, and a YPT 330 since 2013), each weigh less than 15 lbs.)! The Hammond Organs commonly weighed 300 lbs. or more, such as being built out of wood cabinets, steel chassis, glass tubes, and all of the other solid goodies that we used to make in the U.S.A., and in fact, most ballparks used them (arenas usually had pipe, electronic, church or theater organs built into them)! Oh, and back to what I know about the reverse color preset keys, I always realized that they were not for musical notation on Hammond, but on Vox Continental, Farfisa, and other combo organs, they could be used to play walking bass lines, etc. In fact, real old keyboard instruments were made with black or dark naturals, and white or light colored sharps and flats, some still are, such as the Rodgers Trillium, and some Johannus models, but that was something that was brought back from 300 years ago and further back in Europe, and is the exception, not the norm! Awesome for someone who doesn't really play organs, but really should consider learning real soon!
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 10 жыл бұрын
It could have been an L100. The L series did not have separate run/start switches but did still use the tonewheel generator. I have one in my garage right now (an L122).
@zachlafleur6651
@zachlafleur6651 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jim, I believe that this was the one that Discount Dave had in his store. He also had a store in what used to be The Cadillac Club before that disastrous fire that they had a few years before! (What was the bar in this club was designed quite like another 1958 classic, the Cadillac Series 62 oversize full size car)!
@remoteuser65
@remoteuser65 7 жыл бұрын
I love the sound of the Hammond Organ whether it be Hammond, Korg, Nord, Roland or any of the higher end clones. I own a Roland VR-09 and I love it.
@therealborischang
@therealborischang 6 жыл бұрын
You love tonewheel organs.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@Carmel2505 Just saw your comment, sorry. The growl is due to the XK3 slightly overdriving the Leslie input. The XK3 has a very hot output. In order to get both the XK3 and the B3 through the Leslie at the same time, I had a direct line from the B3 running into the "return" jack of the XK3, so both the B3 and the XK3 are going into the Leslie with a hot signal.
@munkeepilot
@munkeepilot 11 жыл бұрын
Great video, Jim! Thanks for taking the time to share this demonstration. Only a pipe dream I could play well enough to be cool, but I really enjoy listening to you wail. I'm thinking about purchasing one of these to play around on, but cash is a little tight now (just purchased a Yamaha MOX6 last year, which has been fun
@mschorer
@mschorer 5 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison! I used to own a M3 many years ago, but now have a xk3c in the studio and gig with a SKx - the audience would hear a difference anyway and I can carry the SKx with one hand 😉
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
It's a compromise for sure, but the clones keep getting better and better. I'll be uploading a new comparison of a real tonewheel Hammond versus the SK2. I've got them sounding even closer than before.
@Gruntos
@Gruntos 14 жыл бұрын
I got your 1958 B3 Tonewheel set in my Xk3. Amazing Thank you
@thaddeusproshansky5389
@thaddeusproshansky5389 9 жыл бұрын
great video Jim.
@ZakiWasik
@ZakiWasik 11 жыл бұрын
Great demo! Really appreciate your efforts into making a proper testing environment. As I see it the biggest drawback was that the chorus clearly did not sound as good as the B3, but aside from that the differences were incredibly small.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 10 жыл бұрын
Yes. Hammond-Suzuki has greatly improved the chorus/vibrato in the latest models (SK1, SK2, XK1c).
@SimonOslender
@SimonOslender 11 жыл бұрын
With the HX3 hammond clone we have tried an optical keyboard scan which recognizes how deep you press the key. With this solution it was possible to replicate the 9 contacts. Sound and feel were great but it had lots of issues... For example, the organ started playing when exposed to sunlight due to the optical sensors being too sensitive... A no-go for a touring musician. So I went back to the normal Fatar key scan. But maybe with a little more development, the optical scan could work.
@geoffporter4183
@geoffporter4183 8 жыл бұрын
Simon Oslender u
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 13 жыл бұрын
@romill1 You're welcome! If you decide to go with the Hammond, get the newer XK3c. The onboard Leslie sim is much improved and sounds really good. You can use it without a real Leslie and it still sounds great, something that you cannot do with the original XK3, unfortunately. It either needs a real Leslie or a Leslie simulator like the Neo Instruments Ventilator.
@BOB_T
@BOB_T 2 жыл бұрын
That's the way to do it the real thing against the virtual one. Excellent video, i will use it to compare on my side with the vst that i have. Thanks
@ambervillewolf
@ambervillewolf 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jim for a very informative and worthwhile comparison, very hard to find such a useful video on this interweb malarkey! : ) Thank you, and lovely playing too. I may just have bought one of these babies and if it all comes off I would be very interested in getting the settings that you no doubt spent a lot of time and hard work setting up.
@Kris.G
@Kris.G 8 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest, the HUGE difference in weight vs the small difference in sound (to majority of the audience it's negligible) makes the XK3 the winner here.
@stryker1999
@stryker1999 14 жыл бұрын
Fantastic overview. Suzuki really did their homework.
@Vinnybrain
@Vinnybrain 4 жыл бұрын
My mom played b-3s as a church organist, choir director for 3 chapela on Travis AFB....i was tge "Ride Along" it was those big 15" speeakers cranking out that bass in the bottoms of those Leslies tgat made me take up bSs.... snd a total ogans sound afficianado!,!! FatSpresets , and love the key clicl!!!.... fave B3 dound: when the Leslie is sloeing from Vibrato dpwn to Chorus....even better as the brake bands are wearing out on the rotor....and it takes a minutr to change dpeed! I have no idea why Leslie didnt include that sw/ctl....its such a cool sound :)
@elizabethclaiborne6461
@elizabethclaiborne6461 4 жыл бұрын
I heard Organissimo on WWOZ, bought the album, it’s on my need cheering up playlist. Nothing like a Hammond organ, it’s America’s sound.
@kimrunic5874
@kimrunic5874 8 жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like the XK is staring you straight in the face but the B is kind of looking over it's shoulder - just a bit more cool.
@kamoteboyz1641
@kamoteboyz1641 10 жыл бұрын
nice comparison sir Jim. very helpful
@bruhjun
@bruhjun 14 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for posting such a helpful and well-played video. Also, I downloaded a your tonewheel set: it sounds great. Thanks again.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@ForestCinema No, you would need a device that converts the 11pin output of the XK3 to a 122-style 6pin output. I use the 1122 kit from Hammond Suzuki.
@Gruntos
@Gruntos 14 жыл бұрын
I got you 1958 B3 Tonewheel set in my Xk3. Amazing Thank you
@gsmith160
@gsmith160 14 жыл бұрын
I recently bought a new XK3c and run that through my trusty, stock, Proline 330 Leslie bought new in 1976, a winning combination. Just finished recording a LIVE session in the studio with my blues band and I just can't say enough about it. I am using the B3 voice with the most xtalk and noise it can make. Wonderful. Did a customized keyclick that is NOT overdone. The comment about the chorus vibrato is a bit 'harsh' in my opinion.. A blindfold test for OHOrgan is in order (O:
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
You are right, of course. Thank you for the clarification.
@bllyjons
@bllyjons 9 жыл бұрын
That was a GREAT demo!
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, they are cheap due to the lack of an upper rotor. I would look for a 145 or a 122. Thanks for the kind words.
@theironfreak
@theironfreak 14 жыл бұрын
Excellent, EXCELLENT comparison video.
@dadautube
@dadautube 7 жыл бұрын
great demo! surely the SK3 is good, maybe just as good as the B3 ... but i want the original TOO! ;-)
@grahammattsson7515
@grahammattsson7515 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see if the XK3 is still working in 59 years time time. I guarantee the B3 will be.
@artysanmobile
@artysanmobile 4 жыл бұрын
Graham Mattsson If true, it will be because the B3 has had $3-4,000 of maintenance during that period. The XK will, meanwhile, require one quarter of that.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
To whomever wanted to know about my opinion concerning the digital Leslie vs real Leslie in a recording situation... I apologize. I accidentally removed your comment when I meant to hit reply. Anyway, a real Leslie trumps a digital simulation in any circumstance I can think of, including recording. Of course if you don't have a real Leslie, use what you have and do your best! :)
@carlosholst5380
@carlosholst5380 7 жыл бұрын
Almost the same bur B3 is more full, deeper, softer. Great demonstration.
@teashea1
@teashea1 7 жыл бұрын
great, meaningful comparison
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@dragongoff It is a fact that the Hammond tonewheel organs are not tuned in equal temperament, which is the standard tuning for all keyboard instruments. So, if you put a Hammond B3 next to a precisely tuned concert grand piano, the B3 will be "out of tune". It is possible that Hammond-Suzuki "fixed" this with the XK series. I'd have to check to see if it's true. If so, they should let the user tune each note.
@ThatsABiggon
@ThatsABiggon 12 жыл бұрын
Great comparison vid! I'm gonna buy an XK3 (or XM2) & Ventilator ASAP: Sounds close enough (identical at times), plus the interface will make me far more at home than my current E-mu Difinitive B3 road rig.
@doitee52
@doitee52 2 жыл бұрын
Jim...I've owned over 30 Hammond consoles. To me I just have to go with the real deal B-3. I've done all my own mods since the 60s and nothing impresses me like playing the true organ itself. The new units are a vast improvement over what was offered in the past though I must say. Thanks for the demo.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 2 жыл бұрын
This video is over 12 years old at this point. Technology has progressed a lot in that time. The new Hammond XK5 is really really good. But I agree the vintage Hammonds are the best. However, as a gigging musician now approaching middle age, I can't haul around a real B3 anymore. I really love my XK5. The XK3 in this video is long gone but served me well.
@11pauly77
@11pauly77 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tutorial Jim
@tubical71
@tubical71 12 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison!! I think all hammond players, who own a tonewheel knowing how good these old instruments are. But as the modern "clones" coming closer it´s (IMHO) better leave them at home or in studio, than to road and also gig them, due to wear out...In a live environment it´s nice to see an original old hamond organ. But for the sound it simply doesn´t matter, if a real rotor is present...
@TheJimkaylor
@TheJimkaylor 14 жыл бұрын
Hello Jim: Great You Tube video!!. Checked out your other videos and really enjoyed your playing! Nice to hear a "young guy" play they way the hammond organ was make to be played in a group setting.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 12 жыл бұрын
Indeed. The BC sound is completely ignored by the "clonewheel" makers. I suggested to Hammond-Suzuki that they should include an emulation of the BC chorus/vibrato in their next product, just because it would be unique. However, like you said, the popularity of the JOS sound would probably make pursuing that unwise from a business standpoint. Maybe a small developer, like the guys behind the VB3 plug-in, could tackle it.
@PastTime777
@PastTime777 15 жыл бұрын
That was awesome. You need to team up with Tony and go on tour. A duo needs to re-create the magic of "Incredible." I've always wondered when or even if two people can re-create that night. Since both of you endorse Hammond, it can happen. Just need the perfect drummer, guitarist in the background, and a perfect mix to make it all happen.
@starshipfive
@starshipfive 11 жыл бұрын
I bought a XK3 thanks for this wonderful video :)
@DuckFarmStudios
@DuckFarmStudios 14 жыл бұрын
Jim, thank you for taking the time and effort to do the XK3/B3 comparison. I have a C3 that unfortunately was dropped a little over 4 years ago and I haven't started it ever since. I did buy the Hammond XM-2 with the XMC-2 controller a couple years back. I was wondering if some of your patches with the edits you made to your XK-3 would be compatible with the XM-2 and if so if you would be willing to share. I haven't been quite happy with the XM-2 as it is out of the box. Thank you so much.
@Reeechard
@Reeechard 12 жыл бұрын
Great work, and thanks. For my ear, the XK3 sounds sorta like the B-3, but there are so many subtleties in the B-3 tone, a certain nasal inflection and a compression in the lower notes that the XK3 doesn't get. The differences hit my emotional ear in a way that prefers the B-3. I think for live its fine, but in the studio, I'm going to continue hunting for magnetic tonewheels.
@cencalphono
@cencalphono 11 жыл бұрын
Eventhough I'm not a musician, I have a great appreciation for music. Even with my half-deaf, middle-aged ears I can more often than not tell the difference between an original Hammond and other brands or organs. I do like the massive power of the pipe organ. In your excellent demonstration, your XB3c sounds a bit shrill to me compared to your B3. It seems to me that the clicking of the keys is more prominent on the XB3c. Thanks for the great video and lesson!
@MrSantillanadelmar
@MrSantillanadelmar 11 жыл бұрын
jim,tu es un grand ,très grand organiste !phénoménal!!!!!
@MrSantillanadelmar
@MrSantillanadelmar 10 жыл бұрын
Jimmy you are one very very good organist of the world ,indeed !one of the best my god !if Jimmy Smith would see you playing .....wahou!!!!!!!!!!
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 13 жыл бұрын
@Segs79 Just saw this comment, sorry. I've owned three B3s in my life including the two you mention and a '56. I won't lie: The 50's B3s are the best. They have THAT tone, the one everyone wants. That said, the '74 I have sounds really good. It's just more "modern" and clean sounding.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@TheMadMusicMan Chorus and vibrato sound good if you tweak them. When I first connected the XK3 to my 122 the chorus didn't sound right. I played with the speed settings until I found one that sounded best. When I started using the 3300 with the XK3, I had to adjust the chorus again.
@DandyDon1
@DandyDon1 14 жыл бұрын
There is one problem, KZbin greatly reduces the sound quality of anything uploaded to a point where it all sounds average... The XK3 and XK3c sound like the tone wheel Hammond they sampled which is the one they have in the factory at Addison Illinois. There were so many variances in the way a Hammond sounded over the years because of the slight differences in the tone wheels, filtering on the tone generator and quality of the electronics in the preamplifier.
@lookerjdc1
@lookerjdc1 9 жыл бұрын
excellent demo Jim - you have great technique I am looking at buying an SK1 just for home use - while I miss owning a B3 (back in the late 60's and 70's when I used to play in a band), I would not miss needing 5 people to move the beast.... just wondering if you have any input on the SK1?
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 9 жыл бұрын
+jeff c I love the SK series. I use an SK2 now with organissimo and an SK1 with bands that have bassists. They are killer.
@lookerjdc1
@lookerjdc1 9 жыл бұрын
+Jim Alfredson do you have any custom voices that would work on the SK1? keep up the great videos
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 9 жыл бұрын
+jeff c I do have a custom tonewheel set that really improves the sound of the SK series. You can hear it in some of my other videos, such as my most recent one (organissimo playing Mr. Walker). kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3y4f2yhoKZpd80
@lookerjdc1
@lookerjdc1 9 жыл бұрын
+Jim Alfredson you're right... i think Hammond needs to ship with your tonewheel set - you have really captured the percussion and the clean sound - nice video - too bad the audience was preoccupied with something else - very very nice
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
I have recorded with a 3300 instead of a 122, most notably on the organissimo album Alive & Kickin'. Also on the Intergalactic Spiral album. I don't think anything is holding the 3300 back. It's a great sounding Leslie, especially with a NOS 12AT7 in place of the stock 12AX7.
@arttemisvanwells3222
@arttemisvanwells3222 6 жыл бұрын
What kind of wood are the original Leslies made from and what type of wood is the new 3300 made from if you know? Thanks
@ozmusicman88
@ozmusicman88 14 жыл бұрын
@originalhammonorgan I agree that the XK3c needs a parameter for the chorus effect to adjust what would be the mix between the direct and vibrato signals in an old B3 (the effects on the XK3c are created digitally). After experimenting with the parameters on my XK3c, I found the defaults to be about right, but the chorus still sounds slightly too intense to me. When I asked Hammond Suzuki about this, they said that they "hope the chorus effect will be improved in the future."
@payada20
@payada20 15 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and very good organ player.
@RayManzarekGod
@RayManzarekGod 14 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this tutorial. I've decided now to sell my Hammond A100 and get a XK3c. My a100 sits in my garage unused, because it is too wide to fit into any of the doors my house.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@dragongoff And a digital piano won't behave like an acoustic piano. We make compromises since it is not practical for most of us to use "real" instruments on stage. Re: tuning - I'd like to know how you determined the harmonics are out of tune when it's going through a Leslie, which changes both the amplitude and the frequency of the signal every time it spins. Piano harmonics are not brief, they just require a well-trained ear due to inharmonicity. The organ is in tune.
@kturn5953
@kturn5953 14 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Can you send me the link to the downloadable CUSTOM TONE WHEEL setting? Will that take care of the bright key click sound that (in my opinion) is too loud? Thanks!
@kaufmann6988
@kaufmann6988 15 жыл бұрын
Great demo ! Thank you for sharing.
@organeu
@organeu Жыл бұрын
Great ! Both Hammond are on the same Leslie ? Or... It's Leslie simulator on XK3 ? Thanks a lot. Best regards
@puresoulg
@puresoulg 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I have a question I own a Hammond XC3 I bought it for a steal. I like to know is there any electronic modifications to upgrade the internal tone wheel sound. the current sound is missing that Harmonic tone that s real B3 produces Trust me I understand that it's digital but at least the newrr/ later Hammonds produce a better emulation of the tonewheel sound and texture.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 14 жыл бұрын
@DuckFarmStudios Sorry no, the file is only compatible with the XK3. It's not even compatible with the new XK3c. The XM2 is nice. I have one, too. It sounds REALLY good through the Neo Instruments Ventilator.
@jpbqva49
@jpbqva49 11 жыл бұрын
Very helpful comparison. Thank you. JB
@bobbyjack54
@bobbyjack54 12 жыл бұрын
Excellent comparison, I've been playing Hammonds since '64 and won't be without one in my house. Right now I'm putting together a '59 C-3 with a 122 for the Rec room. I can't see that the difference is worth carting around a B-3 for playing out (I use a Roland VK) but the subtle difference you keep referring to is what makes the difference in my opinion. The XK sounds great but just a little sterile in the lower range to me. Great playing BTW I wish I was half that good. ;)
@lardtamps
@lardtamps 10 жыл бұрын
nice sounds. boths .hey question the Hammond b 200 .on this new line of Hammond zusuki .how they named now like what line is on this time.o the sound of the b 200 was discountined.thank hope you can help me
@gochstree14
@gochstree14 11 жыл бұрын
Loved your video. Wish I had your experience. Seriuosly concidering buying the Sk1 or XKc. I have the Yamaha MotifES 88 at this time. How do you think this stands up with the Hammond XK or the B 3.
@JimAlfredson
@JimAlfredson 11 жыл бұрын
I would say an XK3c with no Leslie. Or if you can swing it, the SK2 is really good. I'll be doing a comparison soon.
@yatescr
@yatescr 12 жыл бұрын
Jim, thanks for that educational (and fun!) video! One very basic technical aspect that I wonder about is if the two keyboards' outputs to the Leslie were precisely gain matched. A small difference in gain can really impact the listener's notion of which sounds better (louder usually sounds better, even if the signal is otherwise identical).
@LegitTheProducerBackup
@LegitTheProducerBackup 6 жыл бұрын
Your runs are nice
@bluzplayer1
@bluzplayer1 13 жыл бұрын
Jim Love your playing and thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have both a 1959 B3 with a pair of hot roded 251's and just got the XK3-C...and a Leslie 3300 will your set work with the XK3-C? If so how can I get a copy? Cheers Al
@gstanley75
@gstanley75 6 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@EtzEchad
@EtzEchad 6 жыл бұрын
I don't like the attack on the XK3. I suppose that's what you meant when you said "key click." I imagine that it can be changed since it appears that the organ is very customizable.
@lerpack455
@lerpack455 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Jim, On the strength of your very interesting above, I bought myself a s/hand XK3c. I no longer play in bands and had to sell my C3 a few years ago as we needed the space. I would be interested in receiving your notes on re-tuning as mentioned. How do I contact you? Many thanks.
@Royalorgans
@Royalorgans 15 жыл бұрын
Dear Jim Alfredson, I have a question? Hammond artist as well as players of genres such as Gospel, Rock, Pop, R&B , Soul and hip hop have been using the new Hammond XH-272 and is beggining to get some praise for its capability for reporducing the original tonewheel organ. I would like to since you are a representative of hammond, if you would play a demonstration of the Xh-272 organ with hammond showing the organ flutes being played. Many people say that its better than that B-3 and XK-3
@robertnrgaard4978
@robertnrgaard4978 12 жыл бұрын
Hi Jim, you say you go around the vibrato/chorus problem, I guess so you can get chorus on upper but not on the lower part? How do you do this? Thanx for a great test btw, I've seen this video lots of times, and I think the XK3 is a great organ, specialy when you change the tubes :-)
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