.Han-Jae.

[@KaijuParfait]

You can tell that he's the main character because he's sitting by the window

[@kochi.6894]

Lmao

[@kittyyoutuber9]

BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

[@characterdevelopment8504]

Yerp

[@b-butwhytho7084]

I love how Hideo first enconters Han Jae and he is like [breathes in] *DiSgUsTiNg*

[@Bastardstinker]

B-But why tho? *D E S G U S T I N*

[@Number1yungoos]

Who didn't flush the toilet after they took a shite I didn't do it Well it was fuckin one of you's Bu- *D I S C U S T A N G*

[@mxshl_7822]

@@Number1yungoos I KNEW SOMEONE DO IT I JUST FUCKING KNEW IT

[@b-butwhytho7084]

@@mxshl_7822 Me too

[@treasurecircle]

Ikr XD

[@Gloom_Lore]

This is a LOT less "cute" when you realize that the affection Han-Jae is giving Lint, is him k i s s i n g Lint in their human forms. Han-Jae, an adult, is kissing a child, who is not related to him in any way.

[@derpinalover321]

agreed

[@vulturedrawz]

What if Han Jay is just from Spain and he was greeting him

[@derpinalover321]

@@vulturedrawz xd

[@lucianomialu9079]

@@vulturedrawz dude that’s not funny lol

[@cameraguy9800]

Everything is cute with nimals but once you change it to humans it can change way too quickly

[@Grimblxde]

Note: people who think it's a cute relationship, read the description. It's not as innocent as you think it is.

[@diegoruiz1484]

😐🔫

[@Grimblxde]

@@diegoruiz1484 I watched this when I was younger and didn't realize till when I made this comment that it ain't that innocent 🥲

[@melaniereagan9206]

Where is?

[@Grimblxde]

@@melaniereagan9206 ???

[@-akoo-]

Yeah, I watched it when I was younger as-well, Then I came back to it and decided to read the desc

[@SparkleBunStudio]

My favorite scene is probably 1:37 when Edgebun is getting licked by Han-Jae. He seems uncomfortable and looks as if he’s telling Han-Jae to stop. When Han-Jae starts crying, Edgebun instantly apologizes and lets him continue despite being uncomfortable. It definitely portrays Han-Jae as an experienced manipulator.

[@Tuxiiedos]

exactly :c

[@sealett]

yes and the he puts his tail is front of his mouth almost like "Shhhhhhh don't tell anyone"

[@BigRatNuggz]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Shushjio]

ok so everyone is talking about not shipping them,, but isn't it sad that his brother risked his life to protect his kiddo and then gets friggen killed by the one they were trying to protect?

[@shxxnami]

jlaj mousey The smol bean didn’t knew that the snake was a pedo that’s why he was upset

[@Eclipse_101]

Y-yeah ;v;

[@loralynbarry8948]

The snek was his best fwend tho

[@lemonextract162]

The snake was a pedo.

[@nycureamy]

Lemon Extract but the lil bunny didn’t know that

[@dethwaltzer]

The story behind this is sad but amazingly done. In the beginning, Edgybun and his older brother see Han jae, who is trying to grab the little bunny's attention. The older brother is uncomfortable and nudges his little brother away. Then, Han Jae looks as if he's planning something. Then, he lures the little bunny to his (home?) and the littlw bunny believes this snake is now his friend. He can't stop thinking about his new friend, he can't focus, sleep, etc. When he notices his brother is gone, he sneaks to visit his "friend." Then, Han Jae is getting a bit too close, and Edgybun feels uncomfortable. As you can see, when Han Jae is kissing the little bun, he asks him to stop and tries to dodge it. Han Jae manipulates him by fake crying, and recieves a kiss. Soon Brother bun finds them, and tries to end Han Jae and save his brother. Unfortunately, Edgybun was so attatched to the child predator that it took over his mind, and he didn't understand what Han Jae was. It tore him up inside until he changed, mentally and physically. Alone. Scared. Used.

[@lostandfoundvideoz3217]

Nicely written

[@shadowkeepr441]

thank you for explanning

[@rosesthorns2679]

Yes but when he changed physicaly he got those black frill/spikes on him as well which meant that he had been hurt and used before aswell

[@SadGhostPerson]

Anime plot

[@RamuneYumBottles]

IM SO SAD NOWWWWWW

[@reiliha]

when I was younger, I didn't realize how weird this was😭

[@haistapaskamurasu667]

THIS!!

[@fadeski28]

fr im coming back to this now and omg what the helllll 😭😭

[@Stop-Changing-the-channel]

True

[@hokubat29.57]

fr like that snake was a pedo bruh 😭

[@reiliha]

@@hokubat29.57 IKRRR? I was so interested in this video, that I came back just to find out this was about a pedo snake and a minor rabbit or whatever it is😭😭🙏

[@nightshade7760]

At first I thought that this was a momma snake tryin to adopt a babbeh and then I realized that it was a lot darker

[@handle69420cheese]

I feel ya. I thought pedo snek was nice snek lady who adopts kids like goat mom from undertale.

[@lveenorl2601]

Taku The Otaku yup and we were wrong

[@rocking0067]

😂👌

[@nob0dy193]

I thought it was about a noodle enchanting a rabbit with his looks. Noodle in my head was a high school student while lil’ bun bun was 1 or 2 grades below. Sneak was in love with lil’ bun bun. Then I read the comments and the description and the movement more.

[@malutkidove2815]

I like to think about that way instead of the snake being a pedo

[@ShadzeriosFIN]

This video visualized well abusive relationships and where the victims of abuse can end up becoming the abusers themselves.

[@bluedragon8762]

Kind of. More like a pedo groomed a victim and attacked their rescuer as they saw their abuser as someone dear

[@Marshie_Gum]

Trauma can do that to a person...

[@dusktheowlgryphon]

Especially later when lint kidnaps Neal and keeps him locked in a room to express violent urges on.

[@eternaltengri7657]

I don’t know who’s listening or who I’m talking to. Or who I would ever talk to about this. But this brings back such uncomfortable memories from my childhood. I was 12, and he was older. He was my Han Jae. Every single peak of interest in Han Jae that little rabbit displays is a perfect depiction of how it was. It’s abuse, yes, but as the abused, you feel enthralled by the abuser. It’s also the first time anyone ever showed major interest in me. Sitting in school and missing; daydreaming. The memories are palpable and not even all too sour. The fascination and interest a pedophile will show in you feels like romance when you are 12. It did to me, anyway. The physical affection, too. And then when it all came out to my parents... that little bunny showed my feelings perfectly. I didn’t even see Han Jae as the sicko he was; I saw him as my friend and my lover. I didn’t want him prosecuted or locked away. I never defended him to my parents, but I did in my heart. I feel so sick. This was so repressed I honestly haven’t thought about it in months or years. I don’t want to remember. Goddamn it all. Why do the little rabbits of the world have to be hunted by the snakes

[@quilivine]

I feel compelled to say something, but I’m not sure I have the words. If you want to talk, I’m here. Therapists are costly and feel invasive before you get acclimated to them, so I don’t blame you if you’ve never gone. It can be very unpleasant. But if you’re interested in just talking to some bro in a place where spilling your guts out won’t have any repercussions, I’m around. You can come back to this later, even, months from now if you feel like you need to talk. I’m just passing by but I’d be happy to stay to hear your thoughts.

[@eternaltengri7657]

@@quilivine Thank you my friend. You are a good soul

[@YourMom-qk9pv]

Yes, this how I also knew that this relationship was manipulative. I was nine at the time. I'm really sorry that happened to you. I hope that you have or find a good way to cope. :)

[@eternaltengri7657]

Your Mom thank you. I try to work through it every now and again

[@AdventureMalhare]

Oh geez..... do you need someone to talk to? I’d be happy to help!

[@audritarr6257]

I kinda like that the description is the only thing that outright says what the snake is because once you know that, rewatching the video makes the signs pop out and you kinda wonder how you missed it but not knowing before hand makes it seem much more innocent, mimicking how real life tends to work out

[@momohearts774]

exactly and thats what makes it so frightening

[@trashyfangirl2394]

@Snake stay safe okay? Also pro tip don't reveal your age on the internet, it attracts pedos

[@Torterix]

it really makes you realize that anyone, including you, could be manipulated like this and you wouldnt even know. this video is genius and disturbing af.

[@Iamgayman]

@@Torterix I've had multiple minors at the age of 13-15 think that this 22 year old was amazing and I was a horrible person just because I said the truth about them being a pedo. They faked DID and convinced those poor kids they had DID too and said it was ok for their "alters" to date because they were ageless, and as someone who actually might have DID BECAUSE of something that happened when I was a child, I found it disgusting. So I gathered screenshots and tried to warn people about them, but instead I was reported and deleted for 'promoting hatred' on that hellsite. I gave up after that but it still pains me to think that person is still out there convincing minors to date and sext them.

[@pixelcat1987]

​@@Iamgayman 0-0

[@JS-vb9vd]

"Hey kid, want some carrots?"

[@caninestudios2176]

Just get into the van! :)

[@thebritishmarypopinscat8945]

@@caninestudios2176 Jesus XD

[@eccentricliar3698]

Oh fu-

[@twistedcataclysm]

Snek man I has some mice *rips out throat*

[@swagwolf1533]

I hate carrots

[@BrotherBeeArt]

Honestly this makes alot of sense. Alot of the time smaller children who are being messed with by a pedofile often have a strange interest in the pedo. They see it as genuine romance, and not a sick and twisted freak show. I honestly thought this was about a semi clingy but cute friendship but after reading the description I realised all the signs were there. I've had a bad experience like this and looking back this animation is super accurate when it comes to pedophilia, your art and animation is really good and super accurate. Everything about this is 10/10 and the pedo dying in the end is super earned, I'm just sad that the older brother had died as well

[@rexiandtherandom8198]

Same :/

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

Ok well at least this changes the story and as far as I know, the artist isn’t a pedophile and this was written as more of a tale of how an awful person fucked up the morality and mind of an innocent child. At least I hope that that’s what the artist was going for.

[@Bashfulhyena]

@@vincenthawthorne9360 It was.

[@JudyCoxify]

@@vincenthawthorne9360 the artist isn’t a pedophile, yes, but the snake is.

[@Bashfulhyena]

@turtletrain The baby brother finished him off, but I don’t think he would’ve made it either way

[@foxygrin]

To me the most the disturbing part was where the snake started licking the bunny and when the bunny refused the snake pretended to be hurt just so that the bunny would let him out of guilt... *shudders*

[@pietalengpai3850]

Universe Artist oh gawd

[@sugarcube7812]

Aw shit man, I knew what was going on in this, but I didn't really pay attention to that part, my heart broke from your comment.

[@snakeberry7105]

I actually thought it was like a motherly relationship- I didn’t realize

[@huntsman9212]

It's okay I didnt either. At least not until presto presto the description ruined it. I was so willing to be blissful in my ignorance

[@jovianguyen]

I thought so too

[@Sparklingkat010]

@@huntsman9212*EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING*

[@tylermobley8790]

Same

[@revolutionarygoose5413]

When i saw this 3 years ago i was like: "Aww dude, why kill the snake, just bcuz they're different species it doesn't mean they can't be friends, the snek wasn't even trying to eat him." Then i found this channel again, and after seeing other videos, i finally came back and rewatched this one, but this time i was just like: "Bro, creppy pee pee man, you shall suffer u binch."

[@WizardKitty723]

I thought it was like, this lonely snake that no one likes cuz it's a snake but it made a bunny friend BUT NO THE CREATOR RUINED IT

[@troubledorange2896]

@@WizardKitty723 The creator didn’t “ruin” it. They had an idea and the idea is meaningful to those who have been through situations like this. Just because it isn’t something “wholesome” it shouldn’t mean that the idea was a mistake in the first place.

[@Ebonyfire]

The same. I saw it when I was younger and now came back

[@pigeon52]

Same here fellow goose even doe im not goose

[@DangerNoodle815]

same, was about to send it to a friend and then i read the description for the first time

[@humanoid7495]

A bunch of times the bun was uncomfortable or looked stress 0:29 You can see on the bun there was a bit or sweat (Showing the bun was nervious) 1:22 You could clearly see the bun a bit surprised when the snake wrapped around the bun a bit more. 1:30 You can see the bit of nervousness on bun's face when the snake first "Kissed/Nuzzled" him. 1:35 You can see the bunny gesturing at the snake to stop booping the bun's face but kept going, but then acted sad afterwards to manipulate the child to make the bun feel bad and let him continue. 1:48 You can see the bun was uncomfortable the whole time the bun was being licked but you can see that it looked like the bun was forced to let the snake.

[@katulingamesandanamats8098]

So glad I'm not the only one that's all that.

[@CIKARTS]

aiya, i imagine all of this in a human scenario way and it's sickening all the tail wrapping may represent hugging, the fact that some of them are curled a bit too much makes me wonder if the hug is actually restraining the kid. and around 1:33 Han-jae puts his head on top of edgybun, but i imagine an adult laying on top of a child and that's just.. yeah. it's 1 AM here, enough internet, enough childhood digging, time to sleep

[@hat7475]

Holy fuck thanks for this observation

[@southkoreamountaincountryl1839]

grooming

[@-nightlyfireflies-9561]

That's actually a very good observation, imagining this all in human form is.....cursed, to put it lightly

[@tacuuya2771]

me: awe the snek just wanna be a mum! *after reading desc* me: *chokes*

[@justawingsoffireyoutuber8235]

Same man , same...smh

[@venckute2]

Same lol

[@pupcake190]

Me: *SEES THE SNAKE* also me: Oh she's friendly! Momma bunny: *trys to kill snake* Me: OH HELL NAW

[@GoldRetriever]

@@pupcake190 That snake is a pedo and the bunny is the brother*

[@PartNIYAH]

Same-

[@sapplayblue6064]

It's even worse when you imagine them as a living people... It's giving me chills...

[@UwUEmmittationUwU]

thats true big time

[@silversamurai0267]

Long ago, a bunny and snake lived in harmony. Then, everything changed when the description box attacked. ;^;

[@melonq9832]

Why doesn't this have billions of likes I'm wheezing

[@vinatoskywalker3768]

Yo that snake is a pedo

[@cars00n]

the snake is pedo did you know that?

[@96yrs2lng8]

Box Nuck if you read the comment then you would get the joke

[@silversamurai0267]

@@cars00n That's rough, buddy...

[@crowtheaxolazelle5923]

at first i though it was cute then the end i was wondering then i read the description the least i could say is im shocked

[@Cappri_D1ed]

Crow The Axolazelle that was me I just read the description. 0-O

[@delilahsden_]

Omg ikr I thought it was Soo cute I was gonna ship it until I read the description XD

[@anamercedesrosales3211]

Me too

[@wvka9968]

SAME, GIMME A HIGH FAJF XD TwT what am I doing with my lyfeee......cri

[@yakiima2114]

Oof I think and did the same thing

[@beepboopmeow203]

before reading description: Aww After reading description: *Oh No*

[@isaacclarke689]

David Turner oof

[@crashed_86]

*OOOoooOOH NOOOoooooooOOO*

[@Birdinabowl]

*ono

[@beepboopmeow203]

@@bozenaz1399 *Please tell me you're joking*

[@beepboopmeow203]

@@bozenaz1399 I..... I.........

[@MintyNoodle]

Ah man… this video hits soo different now after 6 years…. This video will still be in my heart

[@crowrosive]

This is very emotional and well thought out I love dark themes explored through characters it really shows how much the snake was grooming that lil bun and how naive the lil bun was to what was happening Hideo was just trying to protect their sibling but he didn't understand what was wrong or that he was being groomed. The confusion and sadness at the end is so on point and heart wrenching, good job

[@Tuxiiedos]

aaaah thank you that means alot !! ;v;

[@Truffvan1035]

Tuxiiedos Wait so Han-jae was grooming bunbun to kill him like the others or what? I can't read the Web comics because I don't have enough room to add another app on my tablet. *cri*

[@jocelynvivas8743]

Corvid Katana I

[@imapikachuloveme]

I love how you've portrayed the snake grooming the young rabbit, it's got a very sinister feel. They way you drew the snake getting him used to physical contact, being held, being too close, being restrained, being kissed, and then acting hurt when the rabbit didn't want it. Making the rabbit feel it was his decision as much as the predator's is very real and you drew this so amazingly well! I love this video

[@imapikachuloveme]

I got a heart!? Woohoo!

[@mariotrstenjak1177]

Amasin

[@cryptidstew7051]

wow… :3 Ur comment is very interesting to read, I'm happy it exists!

[@pleaseexcusemeforiamafangi4461]

The most sensitive part is at 1:30, where the snake began cuddling, and grooming the bunny, whilst the bunny looked quite uncomfortable. It looked as if he had been asking the snake to stop, then the snake began to fake cry. This is normally how real pedophiles act. They act sensitive to get TO their victim. Then, the bunny let him continue, because he didn’t want his new ‘friend’ to be sad. This results in his brother killing the snake for messing with his younger brother, which results in the young rabbit either injuring or killing the older rabbit. *The feels...* heheheheh 665 likes make me the spawn of satan please papis -3-

[@tomboyproductions6594]

Please excuse me for I am a Fangirl *The feels...*

[@durpddurke4633]

It sickens me how manipulative pedophiles can be. And edgybun thinks all that grooming and bonding is *normal*

[@pleaseexcusemeforiamafangi4461]

Da Dragon Durp True my dude-

[@jocelynvivas8743]

Da Dragon Durp I SEE YOU FUCKING EVERYWHERE

[@horselatitudes]

the fact that this has happened to me before makes this worse, i guess i resonate with (most) of this story?

[@jellyguts2292]

NOOOO THE BROTHER. IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT HOW HE JUST KILLED HIS OLDER BROTHER WHO WAS PROTECTING HIM.

[@delubayca1290]

Spoilers alert: I THINK LINT KILLED HIS PARENTS TOO OH MY GOD

[@lostdog9370]

@@delubayca1290 OnO

[@rexiandtherandom8198]

It seems more like he bled out and then Lint just proceeded to hit him for that

[@ceciliadelacruz8153]

@@rexiandtherandom8198 Lint scratched up Hideo's eye, alas killing him.

[@molotovbruddah8507]

He was manipulated into feeling like Han-Jae was his friend? Lover?, and of course he killed his older brother in a fit of rage for killing his “lover/friend” (not really). Quite a sad story

[@The.Viewer]

Hideo to Han Jae: *FBI wants to know your location*

[@PonkaPleen]

Lint- ^ declines access ^ Hideo- **FBI open up-**

[@updog1785]

When I first watched it 2 years ago, I didn’t like the older bunny for killing the snake because I thought they were friends. I come back and see it’s darker

[@xenosaura]

I KNOW THIS REPLY IS SO LATE but i'm glad i wasn't alone, i guess i just wasn't as good at reading expressions at 11 years old

[@sapphirerose5139]

@@xenosaura I'm currently 11 and Jesus Christ, this took hella dark turn from what I remembered.

[@stardustlover8446]

Lmao im 11 and before i came back i knew the snake was a pedo what the fric was i thinking back then (almost a year ago) i low key shipped them like yall did

[@xenosaura]

@@stardustlover8446 weird flex but ok Ah Ha Ha

[@lili111976]

Just like I.

[@soma7599]

*Watches vid* Awwww the snake and the bunny are so cute *reads disc* Lord forgive me for I have sinned

[@WolfyRed]

For I have sinned against the bunny and the snake having the nuzzles and cuddles of friendship and isn't pedophilia because the snake just wants a friend

[@Churrb]

WolfyRed dude just stop trying to say that is cute when it is illegal and a crime.

[@WolfyRed]

@@Churrb Oh, so a snake just wanting a friend to cuddle with is illegal and a crime, huh? Man, you've got so high standards and expectations for a fucking snake, huh?

[@mtenorio32]

@@WolfyRed READ👏 THE👏 DESCRIPTION👏

[@WolfyRed]

@@mtenorio32 No the snake just wants a friend and wants to cuddle with the bunny

[@matcha_-_brownies9165]

Everyone else: oh no the snek is gross Me: lmao rabbit school

[@Ssspork]

I was worried for a second

[@random_dragon]

Yeah!! Why is no one talking about the rabbit school!!!

[@UwUEmmittationUwU]

@@random_dragon they getting amart

[@spyritsolz]

RABBIT SOCIETY

[@JohnnyJohnnysPapaJames]

@@UwUEmmittationUwU we need to end their species before they take over the world! (Don’t actually go out with a gun and start shooting innocent rabbits)

[@potato6402]

So, I thought this was about how the lil bun and the snake couldn't be Friends *Boi was I wrong*

[@rowanheart8122]

Yeah, even before I read the description i got a creepy vibe from the snake

[@darkythewolf3485]

Yeah same

[@kubppkq_1765]

Indeed you were Same here *cries in spanish*

[@leighanncadien9511]

Yeppp

[@mango4955]

What was it about???

[@snekydoodle4346]

When I first saw this I thought it was one of those “predators befriending prey” stories where a predator to a certain species befriends one and the others are angry because “prey are t supposed to be friends with predators”. Then I read the description and I can’t see this the same way ever again.

[@chongwillson972]

@SnekyDoodle the snake is still a predator ,just not the type you were thinking ,huh?

[@splitdragon3004]

Still predator luring prey xD

[@violetbloomings8074]

He’s a predator in more ways than one

[@Jshlattsnumber1fan]

Same

[@inkwingstudios]

Same bro same

[@404_NotFound-q8l]

The saddest part about this is that I don’t think the little bun ever realized how fucked up his relationship with the snake was... He probably grew to think it was normal... And while his older brother tried to protect him, I feel like he might’ve tried to keep his younger brother in the dark as to why this was so bad to preserve his innocence, which backfired majorly. Kind of like how sometimes parents tell you not to do something, but don’t explain why it’s bad, so you grow indignant as a result. So instead of explaining _why_ the snake was bad, he just says a blanket statement of “stay away from him”, which in turn, unintentionally makes his little brother more sympathetic towards his predator. At least, that’s the vibe I’m getting from it... man, there’s so many layers to this, you really did an excellent job of portraying the complexity of this type of situation!

[@deadchannel1443]

Wtf whos gonna read all of this-_-.

[@deadchannel1443]

Lol okie I red it, it's pretty good.

[@nhieuchuyen1664]

that is the little bunny's mom brah

[@monikalos7668]

600th like

[@scourgeface]

nhieu chuyen read the description, its his brother

[@diorsfavour]

when I was a child, I thought the snake was just a person who loved kids and wanted some of their own and liked the kid in a friendly way and felt bad for the snake.. now I realize what it truly means..

[@frogoverlord3471]

Bunny boi is adorible and innocent and the snake is just **sigh** *D I S G U S T A N G*

[@WolfyRed]

Yes, disgustang because the snake is giving the bunny the cuddles and nuzzles of friendship. The snake just wants a friend for once.

[@rexthehusky_]

WolfyRed no he wants a romantic relationship with the CHILD

[@LimbusLimousine]

@@mewwww9 its because its pedophilia

[@WolfyRed]

@AniToons The snake just wants some hugs

[@DuskFrost.Dawnfire.]

@@WolfyRed the snake is a pedo, it says so in the description, the snake is bad

[@Nerium_Aquifolium]

Honestly, I still think it’s really brave to make a story that touches such a delicate subject, and you did it very well. Congrats Tux!

[@Nerium_Aquifolium]

@obsidian 99 I think you’re answering to a deleted comment or something, but just in case, I did mean that the story talks about paedophilia

[@Nerium_Aquifolium]

@obsidian 99 sorry, I didn’t want my comment to come across as “normalizing paedophilia” in any way. I was groomed myself and I’m just glad this is something that is being talked about, since I think it is disgusting for a grown adult to engage romantically or sexually with a child. Sorry for the misunderstanding, again

[@xyrongonzalez3833]

this thread is further proof that people have no brain cells

[@louloumdrlol1763]

When I first watched this video, I thought it was about racial discrimination (black bunny n white snake), so I found this cute at a first sight, yes. But then, as the video went on (the rabbit going to school, his height, the detail of the schoolbag), it made me question more and more the real point of the animation, which I figured out at 1:33 or when the snake starts licking the bunny, which was obviously making him uncomfortable. I then rewatched it, and everything was more clear for me. Pedophilia is a subject that isn't very much discussed, and when it is, it's all about that "bad guy that kidnaps children in his dark house". Here, the bunny isn't physically trapped or anything like it (maybe the snake who wraps himself around him is a metaphor?), but is being manipulated, and feels that he is the one in control of the situation while he isn't at all. He is being emotionally manipulated, the snake making him feel culprit when he doesn't want his lickings. And that's worse. So, thank you for offering us this side of the subject, which such good written characters. This animation tells what isn't teached enough.

[@whydoieven3305]

Dude, I thought the exact same thing, lol.

[@cameoshadowness7757]

Although the licking thing is a problem, pedophilia isn't that pominate. College is a thing adulta attend. Still the rest of it made sense and I thought is was about grooming (yes it can easily be seperate from pedophilia.).

[@characterdevelopment8504]

Pedophilia or not, it still was a way of manipulation I guess.

[@JamesSmith-gm7fm]

How do you explain the ending though, I mean yeah it's about pedophiles but how come the child attacked the one trying to protect him

[@hazelacorn796]

He didnt know that he was being protected, he thought Han-Jae was being attacked for no reason

[@kittyfantail]

Its awful knowing that children would actually feel like this somewhere in the world... pedos are digusting, and we need to educate children and people about them..

[@realhumanguynotafish]

I used to be with someone who shipped Han-Jae and little Lint boy and said they were like us. He was a toxic person and our relationship was unbalanced and horrible. Now that we're broken up i watch this video again and remember what he said when watching it. Even though he's gone now, he was right. We are like them, i was a love-blinded little dumby who cared about a disgusting snake who's caused nothing but bad in my life. I only feel the need to post this comment cause i can never stop thinking about it every time i watch this. Blehh

[@treasurecircle]

YOU ARE SUPPORTED BY YOURS TRULY, DON'T FOCUS ON LE PAST!

[@Chaotic_Clown370]

It's good you've gotten out of that situation hope your life is better without that person

[@paintedelm]

At least you aren't with that person now, and I'm happy for you for realizing your mistake!

[@mehya3266]

I think the worst part is 2:05 because of the look the older rabbit gives his brother (I think they're brothers?). He looks almost happy, maybe, that he has killed off the snake and been able to protect the littler one. But the small rabbit then attacks him, and you can see his expression clearly, so shocked and scared. It hurts me so, so much.

[@ChiliCheeseFritosTheBestFlavor]

It's actually at 2:03 but your right

[@MissSasha_officialWife]

That part scared me

[@karma_ramen]

I think the most disturbing part was that when I showed this to my friend, they couldn't recognize Han-Jae's behavior as creepy, weird, or unsettling. To think that this sort of thing happens in real life is unnerving.

[@HibiscusOrchid]

Bad things dont always protray themselves as obvious.

[@lisalilac974]

Well at first I didnt realize either, I didnt know there was an age gap becaue I couldnt tell exactly what species they were

[@durpddurke4633]

Lisa Lilac Han-Jae is probably a species of python judging by his head shape and many teeth.

[@lisalilac974]

Da Dragon Durp oh I realize that now, my best guess is he is a ball python. Hence the heat pits and thick body

[@AngiePup]

karmaramen I didn't get it either until I looked at the comments. I though that the bigger bunny thing was the mom trying to keep the little bunny thing from interacting with another species. Damn I was wrong.

[@Gigiseilaoq]

me before: own the poor snake just wants to be friendly and is discriminated against for being a snake me after the description: oOW? WHAT HELL?!

[@decodelifehacker3446]

When you think it a cute relationship....then you read the description

[@WolfyRed]

And, doesn't change my mind one bit it's still cute af and nothing changed. The only bad thing is that the snake died. :'(

[@fludrew_9257]

WolfyRed .. tf

[@WolfyRed]

@@fludrew_9257 Yes it's the truth

[@fludrew_9257]

WolfyRed it’s a grown male and a young bunny, representing a pedophile that’s gross and messed up.

[@WolfyRed]

@@fludrew_9257 tis the season to explode

[@OkamiWolven]

this is really good. it has so much raw emotion in it i cant help feeling sucked into it.

[@Tuxiiedos]

good!!!

[@kuu2306]

Okami Wolven HOLY FUCK IM CRYING

[@vlessjess5151]

ME TO

[@taipanguts]

Tuxiiedos I subbed for this

[@nguyenhainguyenhaidt22]

Tuxiiedos I sub for u

[@bitmaster64]

This story takes on sooo much more meaning when you *Actually read the description* like a good youtuber

[@WolfyRed]

Not everyone is a youtuber and that description means nothing really,,

[@rexthehusky_]

WolfyRed Yes it does, it helps clarify the story.

[@sunnygoose]

WolfyRed it means a lot actually, I've seen you saying "the snake just wants a friend" but it says clearly in the description that the snake is a pedo.

[@logangraham2956]

yes and that is the problem... the descriptions' job is not to be part of the content but it is to describe the content. if we took away the description there is absolutely nothing to tell that, that is a pedo being represented as a snake. if anything the description should reinforce what we can already tell from the content not completely change the meaning of the content.

[@twinker2000]

@@WolfyRed The last comment I saw you reply in, you said that everybody else who noticed the snake was a pedo was dumb, and supported the snake. Are you okay?

[@winter34929]

Analyzing this animation: 0:48 The brother warns him about the danger... And he doesn't care 0:52 sooo cute 1:00 or 00:59You can see he feels discomfort 1:27 Discomfort.... 1:32 super discomfort 1:37 He didn't like it when the snake kissed him. But after he "feels sad" he lets him do it 1:58 YEEES 2:04 NOOO

[@scrblsguts]

Oh! Their so cute- ***Reads Desc*** ***Chokes on Coffee*** I TAKE IT BACK

[@stevie-chan7527]

DxrlingWhisper *Only if they were the same age-*

[@des2602]

Bruh...I didn't know that the snake was a Pedo, that's disgusting. But like what would he have done to the lil bunbun, best not think of that.

[@andrewmurphy632]

It is to late.

[@owololcat]

@@hanjae3258 *bitchslaps*

[@shroomz4557]

@@sashadasha5442 a pedophile is an adult who's sexually attracted to little children

[@superdragonlord628]

Me before reading desc: OUh it's a sneky snek! After reading the desc: BuRn ThE sNeKy SnEk

[@Bastardstinker]

lpsrainbowdragon ! *k I l l i T Wi T h F iR E*

[@treasurecircle]

WITCH TRIALLLLLLLLLLL

[@paintedelm]

Lol BuRn ThE sNeKy SnEk

[@KikiG75ThatBritishWoman]

more like "go away" to you

[@unkownaver7714]

Nuuuu sneky snek nice

[@melonbread7834]

The history changes a lot after reading the description

[@mlgwolvesmeep]

I thought pedo snake was a girl and edgebuns brother was his mom and he didn't want edgebun around pedo snake because natural predator.

[@melonbread7834]

mlg wolves i think we all thought he was a girl

[@chanmisa19]

*Thought he was a guy lmfao*

[@yubboi_that_likes_frogs]

Oml same XD

[@metro_mutt]

garbanzo yea i thought the edgy bun was a kid and the bro was the mom and snek was a nice kady who loved him and there was some type of discimination against snakes and the edgy bun went insane in the end

[@Paleophagine]

"Age is only a number" So is 911 :)

[@justacringeyperson9707]

0:48 The rabbit to the left: *I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.*

[@brigadeirinho6625]

OMG IKR SKSHHSBSGS

[@temaru2488]

AHSSHHDHSHAGGAG

[@slimeyboistudios5549]

I was gonna mame a comment similar lol

[@Ultimatelybasic]

BUHAHAHHAHA

[@yinyang2655]

C O R O N A

[@saltcracker4758]

I love how this shows how easy it is for someone to take advantage of you. an example is the part where you can clearly see the rabbit uncomfortable with han-jae kissing him but han-jae immediately starts acting sad to make the rabbit feel guilty and allow him to continue even though he doesn't like it.

[@durpddurke4633]

To think, all throughout his life edgybun thinks that his relationship with Han-Jae was actually normal.

[@kittycawn_]

Da Dragon Durp I would've suspected he was a pedo or rapist right away tbh. I'm kinda suspicous of ppl like that xD.

[@fq0e]

Da Dragon Durp YOU'RE EVERYWHERE

[@sugarcube7812]

True. Very true

[@gray.sonS2005]

Happy Bot it says in the description that the snakes a pedo 😅

[@system1343]

Potato Mister 101 YEAH BUT LIKE I DIDNT READ THE DESCRIPTION FIRST, XD

[@zenzfangorl9588]

1:57 look at Han Jae’s face! The bastard knows exactly what he’s done!

[@kdaa2011]

I feel like this could be a movie. Its so well written, or atleast a short film. The way Han is so genuinely scary is insane. The only way you can se how he manipulates and lies, just makes it scarier.

[@heidishavill5563]

Hanjae is the bun

[@Sinfael]

@@heidishavill5563 no, bun is edgybun

[@Lucyndir]

Yeah, yeah I'd guess they'd be "cute"- If the rabbit stayed in school and the snake were behind bars.

[@pitcantread2268]

HAHAHAHAHA 10/10 👍

[@tnynfox1669]

*Violence +20* Oh yes

[@pizzaroll5422]

Lucyndir1459 this comment is way too underated lol

[@Lucyndir]

Geegus

[@CoalBrando]

The snake could just slitter out off the jail.

[@arceisocha]

*Me before reading desc:* why am i creeped out by the snake... *After reading desc:* NOW IK WHY.

[@4lphraud927]

i remember watching this when i was a dumb 12 year old. when i watched this i didn't read the description at all but the thing is, theres something that felt really wrong in betwen the snake and the bunny relationship. something about it is just screaming red flag on my brain. the way you portray the character weird relationship is honestly amazing, you manage to make my brain scream that something is wrong. and now as i've write this comment, my eyes been opened ever since i read the description about like some months ago. honestly, i just want to commentate how amazing and unique your art and character are!

[@sillybillygoofball]

Aww there cute *reads description* SHEIT

[@treasurecircle]

AW FUXX

[@flameanimates1971]

When I didn’t know how to read I watched this and I was like “ OMg I haTe the OldEr BroThEr thEy lOveD eaChoThEr hE deServEd wHat hE gOt!!1!!!11! “ although before I read the stuf I thought it was the mom not older bro ooooof. I actually thought a lot of diff stuff, I though Han Jae was a female, not a pedo, and that the “mother” thought the snake would eat him and that’s why they killed Han Jae oof

[@flameanimates1971]

Then I was like “ o fux “

[@naghiles5193]

Yepp...

[@Morbid.Obsession]

I still ship it~ '^'

[@smellsofmygarage7101]

*HOLY FRIGG, I THOUGHT HAN-JAE WAS A GIRL*

[@CrimsonSnoipah]

@@hanjae3258 This isn't funny, and I doubt the creator would want someone RPing as their OC in this fashion. It's mean.

[@scrblsguts]

The lashes put me off XD

[@creepywolfdragon7945]

Sadly you have forgotten your tongue is meant to smell. You foolish snake.

[@ukaszflis828]

Me too.

[@fennecchelywolf6820]

sameee

[@BurntLime]

This is so sad holy shoot

[@reveszon_korniszon]

Burnt Lime hi burnt lime! XD

[@Wearyghost]

Burnt Lime dude I literally see you everywhere anymore

[@kumakuma7755]

Burnt Lime kill the snake...... And the demon bunny... Yeah... And I agree it is sad

[@mummifiedbugs]

Agreed

[@notfurry7744]

Seriously? ??

[@CrazyChris228]

it's been so many years and i still get goosebumps...

[@druidshollow]

this is actually my favourite animation on youtube and ur my fave artist,,, ur art is, so pretty im screaming i love ur characters

[@Tuxiiedos]

omg ;; thank you so much ;;;

[@wolfinalovestodraw2677]

This is so sad if a bigger bunny didn't kill the snake this wouldn't have happened she wouldn't have the little bunny wouldn't have killed the bigger Bunny and be sad and become a monster that wouldn't

[@Epi-pen]

puzzlii everytime i watch this I get huge feels

[@summerelle_8547]

happy chaop it’s not trash this is really good,it takes forever to draw something like this ^^

[@kymorapearce7299]

So angry at the other one that killed snake problem out of jealousy

[@rytlocknroll]

*Comments from unsuspecting new viewers about shipping both Han-Jae and the oblivious bunny: exist.* *People who read the description beneath the video: A N g e R y noises*

[@dendalida2478]

@@hanjae3258 aw hell nah

[@hollowsteel]

Yoda teach me your wisdom!

[@yomamaxoxo666]

yea cuz we hate pedos

[@Griffures]

At first, I thought the older bunny was worrying over nothing and that the snake was actually looking for a friend. Then I realized that the snake must be way older than edgybun' because edgybun' was going to schoo and looked really little whereas the snake was huge. And then.. the snake started showing more and more affection towards the edgybun', and the edgybun' didn't seem to like it but started to accept it more and more and it looked like happy moments but seeing how big the snake is compared to the edgybun' and how he's kinda manipulating him around doing whatever he wants to him I started actually being creeped out by the snake.. *AND THEN I READ THAT IT WAS A PEDOPHILE IN THE DESCRIPTION*

[@bruh.itz_tyler5140]

Griffures but the snake is friendly He looking for a friend😭 Sorry about my english😅

[@susansue3008]

funtime foxy's kanal the snake is a pedo

[@slushshy]

At first I thought the snake was becoming edgybun mother by stealing him from his mother. Then I read the description

[@Maxzenel]

Back here after many years and now I understand it better and how tragic this actually is, I didn’t grasp the full weight of a story depicting grooming when I was a child myself

[@thinthle]

How sad it was lured into a false sense of security the visuals are amazing though.

[@felicacorten1155]

At first I thought snek was nice but then when I read the description I'm like Oh NoEs

[@raveix1093]

sAMe

[@depressedthoughts]

FBI OPEN UP

[@vbinur]

Snake and Rabbit

[@ashley2775]

SAME

[@RamuneYumBottles]

Felica Corten same

[@lwilliams3337]

Me:*currently watching the video* * reads that the snek is a pedophile * Han-jae: * kisses edgy bun * The other side of my door: * FBI OPEN UP!!!! *

[@AmarizorCXP_CXKES]

All the gigachads who came back to watch this 👇 👇 👇

[@danibnnuy]

this is twisted and beautiful at the same time, as well as how it touches on morality, the innocence of a child to this predator who was using him I really liked the feel of this, great job, you won another sub

[@isaacclarke689]

Innocence? Gone. Trust? Shattered. Childhood? Dead. What’s left? Rage.

[@diseasedworm8377]

This is my *NO NO SQUARE!*

[@el-be3fy]

lmao

[@Ghostfoxkori]

Help

[@el-be3fy]

O O F

[@vimvandalism]

Your profile picture makes this ten times better, oml

[@dogeelperroswager5505]

*Hideo:* Omae wa mo shindeiru *Han-jae:* Nani? Piiiiiiii

[@ItzRubyZ]

Doge el perro swager one puuuuunch

[@calipsokalisk7255]

Lmao

[@picturepickle4992]

Doge el perro swager XD

[@summerelle_8547]

Allie GORDON japanese

[@marisolmtz5411]

Stos otakus :v

[@darkcadk]

Even when I first saw this video (As a kid), I had the feeling something was wrong, but keep convincing myself it was alright. Now when I come back, I get concerned at how many people didn't see anything wrong with it

[@sofiaborbely7199]

Me about a year ago: Aww this snek is cute. Me now, after reading the desc.: WTF DID I JUST SAY

[@mirage_coffee]

I used to think the snake was a female

[@dendalida2478]

@@mirage_coffee lmao same

[@hollyhennessy6039]

@@mirage_coffee same here

[@tiacuppe6681]

Honestly, if I hadn't read the description, I wouldn't have even realized the snake was supposed to be a pedophile. I just thought the snake was an older kid, probably a dropout. I figured the bigger bunny didn't want the small bunny to be around the snake because it was a predator. (Y'know, a Bunny's natural enemy because they eat them)

[@Tuxiiedos]

yea the little bunny is around grade school the snake is around 26 or 28

[@tiacuppe6681]

Tuxiiedos Oh okay. I get the story now. That makes sense.

[@kroduss4802]

I never even realized snakes are natural predators to bunnies. And the snake is a sexual predator OH MY GOD

[@mlgwolvesmeep]

SnowyStormz O M g

[@WolflingD]

TiaCuppe IKR

[@mimirivas7758]

I watched this when I was very young and thought The snake was a girl And this was a love story like a forbidden romance ❤ And I thought they were the same age and that the snake was just big But now that I know what going on makes it so disturbing The way he curls around him to when they started kissing mad me uncomfortable. That what makes it so good . It a beautiful work of art.

[@bailey8790]

@@roma8855 same

[@AAAAAAAAAAAA4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA]

@@roma8855 they said thought

[@jovianguyen]

Yup. Me too

[@nskdhekahgfd]

That's actually exactly what I thought when I was younger

[@AwesomeYena]

Wait... Very young? This video is only 4-5 years old

[@skratchisrandom5596]

He was just being a big brother trying to protect the little one from something he didn't understand- im SoBinG NOw

[@FricklePickle]

This reminds me about when I was about 5. My dad was creepy and my mom really didn’t like him around us. He would touch me even after I said stop and I thought this was normal. It was not normal. If you feel uncomfortable around an adult as a minor you should tell somebody. I didn’t realize how wrong it was until I turned ten and I got to see the internet. I stayed aways from him from then. You really should tell somebody if something like this happens to you.

[@kittyyoutuber9]

Damn.... I hope you're recovering from that. And I hope your dad marries a nice jail cell.

[@bonehead9668]

I cant see why people would even ship them without reading the desc. You can obviously see at 1:28 that when the rabbit walks away he is sending out the "vibe" that hes REALLY uncomtable. Anyway, good the snake is dead, but i feel bad for Edgybun and Hideo.

[@sucre792]

And the fact Han-had guilt tripped Lint was just awful.

[@Lol-qy2zj]

I like the way you put little details about him being uncomfortable with the snake but still coming back.I love when you animate these two and they might be some of my favorite characters from your channel ( not like because they're together ) but because of the story, its very interesting. For someone whose experienced a few creeps in my life this is quite accurate.Though, i didn't stay with the said person

[@nuttzach]

I feel so bad for you bro, the fact that this video attracted so many little kids who can't even comprehend what they're watching.💀💀 "Omg thay ar friends dis is so sad video😢😢"

[@vulturedrawz]

I WAS 7 WHEN I WATCHED THIS AND I WAS SO ANGRY AT THE BROTHER FOR ATTACKING THE SNAKE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY WERE LCUTE FRIENDS” 😭😭😭

[@hazesonar]

Me wanting a happy ending: Why you... Why you bully me.

[@Wanwood2]

*same*

[@bluedragon8762]

I mean it was kind of happy. The pedo cant touch anymore kids

[@WolfyRed]

@@bluedragon8762 Dude stfu he just wants his friend jfc just stop! They killed the poor boi and you're going to insult him?

[@ashianacoleman5973]

@@WolfyRed You do realise the snake is older than the bunny, he isn't a friend. The snake symbolizes a pedophile in this video, check the damn description. Stop going off at people over things you barley read into.

[@WolfyRed]

@@ashianacoleman5973 Idc though like the snake isn't even bad, it just is very friendly with the bunny UwU So like just stop It's not epic to say stuff like that about the poor snakey QwQ

[@evilashangel]

When Han-Jae opened his mouth while having Edgebun in his grip I thought he was going to eat him and I was like “ NOOOOO.”

[@sealett]

Me: No one can make a rabbit edgey Tuxiiedos: hold my hoops bitch

[@sealett]

PinkPawed Productions ty lmao

[@MyFuzzyHamster]

With them being animals makes it hard to tell the age difference plus the difference of behavior we expect from animal vs humans. I never really got that he was a pedo before reading the bio. At times it looked more like friend ship but then the snake holding him and kissing, kinda acting like he was pray to the snake was creepy. I thought at first he wanted to eat him not that he was a pedo. If it had been humans i think everyone would have screamed pedo but with animals its just harder to tell in a way? Allso with us seeing animals usaly as more innocent can allso make us miss things i think. Really good video! *This is more just a thought experiment on my side just wanted to add that *

[@foxetti101]

KZbin: let's recommend something from 2 years ago Me: *I been looking for this for so long thank YoU-*

[@zoemcnett4234]

SAME BROO

[@SleepyAylun]

foxetti SAME DUDE

[@Cluttered_CatClawz]

XD

[@lunar_proxy]

Damn, this is so well-written?? It's rare seeing anything about this subject (pedophilia, that is), probably cause it's so sensitive ans horrible. But it's very real, like suicide and murder, so I'm kind of thankful you decided to write about it. And you didn't glamourize it in any way either, so it's fairly accurate to reality. In other words; amazing work!

[@sparksoflife5290]

ah this comment, basically the words i was looking for.

[@FarremShamist]

That's the thing that's so beautiful about this piece of art It Is so true to the reality of the situation I've been there And being there, it doesn't feel like it's some sort of bad thing You might even know what it is, and feel it as some sort of exception Maybe even the one doing it to you might feel that way too Genuinely, it may not even be an active attempt at manipulation sometimes. Sometimes it just falls into place. The feelings can be quite genuine. It's such a messy thing. And I think this is one of, if not the, best representation of it I have ever seen.

[@f.horstmann8447]

*Me before reading comments and Description:* POOR SNEK. NO. (my reaction for real.) *After:* Nope. Kill it. (But i like sneks...)

[@el-be3fy]

lmao I know me too.

[@kittyyoutuber9]

Me too kinda as long as they're not pee pee sneks.

[@th1stlesssss]

Honestly, I hate how snakes always get bad reputations. *ESPECIALLY WHEN I CAN’T LIKE THEM*

[@trashyfangirl2394]

Read the description

[@th1stlesssss]

@@trashyfangirl2394 *i did-*

[@KWolf684]

When i first watched this i thought "Oh a snake and bunny are gonna be friends aww" Then i saw the description after i finished it then was like "..... all of this makes sense now" Love the artwork and its good storytelling without any words.

[@Tuxiiedos]

aaa yea ;v;' and aaa thank you!!! ; o; that means alot !!

[@KWolf684]

:D

[@rainlover9825]

Gamer Wolf me to.. and I MAY have *accidently* commented before reading the description and made a mistake.. I said sorry though, so I think I'm alright...

[@twiggychan5213]

Gamer Wolf I can relate

[@pinkishpineapple4106]

And this kids is why we don't play with snakes.

[@starboy5011]

_but the s n e k_

[@menameMid]

With Pedo snakes

[@annoyingnessbeginswithme5698]

Wait. Whats the reference I can't remember

[@qwertyuiop2463]

Hmm, I never knew pedo sneks were real!?? 😂

[@luvsaurus]

I think that it’s gross that you even had to say that in the description, but maybe people think they are similar ages and that type of snake is just bigger? But I don’t reAlLy kNow hOw tHeYd sEE tHat But like seriously this is so beautiful I’m soBbING

[@teacupofdoom]

I legit thought they were the same age at first, because some snakes are really big. Still didnt ship them though, something felt way too off about that snake.

[@arctichearts3840]

i thought that it was like, she didn't want him near it cuz its a bunny, and that was a snake? also, size diffrence i thought the sneek was one of those big ones, and edgybun was just a runt? I dunno, i just didn't think of him as a pedo. I mean, i cuaght onto it later in the video, but when they first met, i didn't really think much of it.

[@cameoshadowness7757]

You clearly don't know how hard it is to tell their ages. 1) snakes can grow huge in a relatively short amount of time of they are healthy and have a good diet and such. 2) rabbits can be really small comparatively. 3) they don't age like humans at all. 4) Collage is a thing. Adults still do go to school for various reasons. It isn't as clear as people claim

[@imkindagayngl4980]

@@cameoshadowness7757 bruh it says in the description XD

[@cameoshadowness7757]

@@imkindagayngl4980 It was an edit yhat he had to put in meaning so many people weren't awear of it in the first place. On top of that, even now many people don't read the description. People learn It's a pedo snake by others comments more often than not.

[@lamp8936]

Me from years ago: Love is Love💕💕💕💕 Description: and jail is jail

[@quarttz]

Me before reading desc, just looking at the thumbnail: ooo what’s this :0 me after reading desc: tHIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED

[@Wolvesandwarriors1]

A very very good example of "grooming" by sexual predators. lovely video. Thank you for sharing!

[@air1840]

QueenBea WTH?!?! WHAT U MEAN?!

[@Wolvesandwarriors1]

Kittengamer875 ...?? This video is a good example of how sexual predators act in a way that lures people in. Aka "grooming".

[@SallynWarren]

+Kittengamer875 the snake is a pedo. the snake is "grooming" (getting the bunny used to the.. bad stuff slowly..) the bunny. The way the animation is done is very good, very well thought out.

[@persona3444]

The way you can tell the rabbit's not comfortable with being kissed until Han-Jae plays victim is the part in the video that really shows somethings wrong. Even before reading the description when i saw the "grooming" and then forced consent made me realize this was nowhere near as innocent as first presumed. ... I love it, subbing.

[@zackarycalvo7149]

Soooo... I've been watching this for years without ever looking at the comment section or description- I thought it was- like- racism towards the snake.. I really didn't see pedophilia coming into play but now the brother's reaction to the kiss is totally reasonable and it makes this so much more sad than I thought it was.