Handheld OR Handgun Mounted Light?

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[@ivemovedmountainswithless1571]

The answer is always both. The late Yeager once said, “it’s not supposed to COMFORTABLE. It’s supposed to be COMFORTING.” So I carry both, I’m covering all bases that way.

[@Brandon_Sweeney]

I've got many lights but I'm still partial to the Tactician... Thanks again James

[@irishdefense77]

Loved James Yeager,but that saying comes from Clint Smith-which James would tell you he learned from him.He said this about carrying a firearm--“it’s not supposed to be comfortable,it’s supposed to be comforting.”

[@Nukem962001]

My dad was a police officer for over 20 years and he said if he had to use a light he held it out to his side because like you said they are bullet magnets. Said he had few friends shot and the intruder said they just aimed for the center of the light.

[@reaper-sz5tm]

All my FBI buddies told me the same thing, they would hold the light out to the side and just start blasting dudes if it got time to make some music.

[@evanburris2836]

It's called the FBI method lol

[@kerbalairforce8802]

A trick I used in a hide n seek game as a kid was: looking around with a light, then setting it, or hanging it somewhere and moving on. Hiders thought I was still "over there" and ran for "base", but I was waiting for them to escape they're hide spot and tagged them out. Use your imagination on other applications.

[@STHHCalebBrewster]

Jesus Christ it's Jason Bourne!

[@RdeneckTech]

My thoughts exactly! Regarding the "use your imagination" Cheers from Texas

[@jhutch1470]

"This one time at band camp."

[@dragonsofthunder]

Cheater

[@hhstarwars]

@@dragonsofthunder not cheating he was just playing on hardcore mode

[@BDD-]

Always handheld, both if possible/practical

[@itsm00t17]

My last home defense situation was solved with a very powerful handheld flashlight. Had “another option” available, but my presence and decent light sent the catalytic converter thief hurdling through the woods and over my gate. Glad I had both!

[@Bob-ir4lr]

I heard a noise in my driveway late one weekend night and woke up thinking wth is going on out there, then it hit me - cat converter. So i grabbed my mossberg 500 and ran outside to find a teenager under my car with a sawzall trying to cut out my cat. So i slow approached my car and went around to the passenger side, got down slowly to prone position then whispered to him "my car doesnt even have cats". Barrel on his temple - i blew his skull out into the neighbors driveway. Hell of a saturday.

[@dragonsofthunder]

​@@Bob-ir4lrnews article or I call bs

[@practicalandy1976]

@@Bob-ir4lr you're the problem.

[@Bob-ir4lr]

@@practicalandy1976 yo calm down, the kid was black so its ok

[@shaneh7519]

@@Bob-ir4lr I guess people don’t understand sarcasm

[@339Ryan]

If you can only have one, choose handheld, because you don't always want to point your gun at something to identify it. If you can afford it, and can conceal it well, have both :-)

[@sharky7769]

Totally agree

[@k-lebvloggin]

big facts

[@tierneymarshall5960]

Only issue would be carrying a hand held light in classy attire, but other than that handheld wins. Also way more options

[@waholoopesorry74]

@@tierneymarshall5960 Streamlight microstream fits with any outfit. There really is no excuse to not have a light

[@practicalandy1976]

Dang, I dont have to even watch the video now! Smh

[@goodredman]

Both for me is how I roll.

[@bobsyourmom]

same

[@Dakattack98]

Same

[@Featherless1]

2 is 1 and 1 is none!

[@jimchrist9749]

Same

[@rrd9434]

Thank you. This really helped with my decision. I am now a Handheld Carry for my EDC.

[@libertariansasquatch]

Someone tried breaking into my house a few week ago, at about 12:30 at night. And of course my back yard flood light went out and I didn’t change it. I was super happy I had a flashlight on my pistol because it was pitch black

[@jeffhenry5153]

I am a hand held light fan, personally. But another "attaboy" for the WML fans is they can use it one-handed. So, if one arm is injured, or busy holding a child behind you while you stop the aggressor or otherwise have one hand being used, the other hand can still illuminate and shoot. Not ideal, of course, but in an ideal world we wouldn't be in a gun fight to start with, right? THANK you John for your insights and for your service! God bless! Jeff

[@SP-qo1so]

Handheld all the way.... works as an EDC item in conjunction with a firearm when you need it, works as an illumination tool WITHOUT presenting a gun, when you need it, and kicker... you can always carry them everywhere. They aren't regulated. They aren't considered a weapon or dangerous item, but you can absolutely use it as a striking tool...improvised brass knuckle/palm striking device (assuming you have a high quality and durable device).

[@f308gtb1977]

I carry a gun with a light, but I do not and would not ever go anywhere without my handheld flashlight.

[@davidwithers7181]

Can't look as cool guntubing without your counterweight strapped to your pistol. Great video for when and when not to!!!

[@boejiden1942]

Both. Both is good. But I understand the subcompact not having it for those occasions.

[@ScaredyCatTactical]

Glock 17 here! I use a tiny light on the gun. But definitely don’t point it to identify threats. Handheld is essential!

[@12ealDealOfficial]

Home clearing (when you are aware of where everyone who should be there is): weapon light All other scenarios: handheld. But what will you always have if you always have your gun? A weapon mounted light.

[@BassJunkie200]

Streamlight Wedge and TLR-7 are my perfection.

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

Both

[@wanderer3591]

It seems to me that a weapon-mounted light also frees a hand for opening doors, using keys, etc. As John points out, it may not be practical for everyday carrying, but for responding to a noise in your home (no kids at home now) the mounted light seems to be more beneficial for me, as someone not trained in night fighting. Also, it would only be on when needed, though both would be a better option.

[@dragonsofthunder]

​@WilsonCombat7report this comment

[@davefletch3063]

Better to keep your night vision and keep surprise.

[@applepie1911e]

One hand can open a door while also still holding a light

[@CaptnHampton22]

Don't listen to the LARPers man, i agree with you

[@waholoopesorry74]

Streamlight Microstream clipped to my pocket and a TLR-7A on my Glock. It has served me well for the last 4 years.

[@wdtriplett]

Food for thought: you need a WML if you have small children that you might need to pick up and carry to cover. WML is best for 1 handed fighting. A handheld can be drawn when you sense trouble but before you feel the need to skin your smokewagon.

[@Ashton_Speaks]

Preach!

[@bryan3928]

“Skin your smoke wagon”? Freaking hilarious, good job.

[@NATAWS9]

As a devil's advocate type of response, I'd ask you to list the probability of each of the following scenarios: - Need to ID something in the dark - Need to ID something in the dark with a weapon at low ready - Need to carry your one child while seeing in the dark - Need to shoot something in the dark - Need to carry your one child while shooting something in the dark I basically put those in order of what I think is the most likely scenarios. A handheld light accomplishes all of them but the last one (I would actually argue that most of the time you should holster your weapon before carrying a child anywhere). A weapon mounted light only allows you to shoot something in the dark.

[@DWalter.27]

In what situation am I gun out and carrying kids to cover? Gun out means you need to shoot, get to cover means they're shooting back... but you choose to carry a kid to safety which means you don't need to shoot and can just use your handheld... It just doesn't make sense at all. You aren't grabbing a kid mid firefight. You're gunna take care of the threat then grab your kid, or grab your kid to try and get out of there instead of fight.

[@bryan3928]

@@DWalter.27 I completely agree with your logic, but if your carrying your child to safety with a handheld light, at that point why wouldn’t you want a gun with a light? Depends on the situation of course but after a self defense encounter I would still want to be prepared.

[@mrdude3691]

I just wear my LARPing NODs everywhere. Come on John, get with the program!

[@SimpleGunner]

"what would you rather put down the front of your pants?" hearing him say that was funnier than it probably should have been.

[@aleffel9668]

Handheld is a must. mounted is optional but prefer to have it.

[@KPHVAC]

SIG P365X all day everyday for me! No weapon mounted light or red dot. I know it would be more tactical to have both but with my current setup I carry 24/7.

[@lonestarpatriot876]

As always, there are pros and cons to everything. Find what works for you, and then master the use of it. You may want both. I personally have both.

[@sissydreams7494]

Both!

[@FishFind3000]

Which ever you choose train with it. I never realized how much better a WML was until I started doing low/no light schooling stages in IDPA competitions. I used hand held till I got a holster made for my comp gun and it’s tricky to hold a light and a firearm without fumbling it or blinding yourself. Another reason to train with your light is if you have a red dot your light can be so bright it washes out your dot. This happens to my rmr when set to auto and using a streamlight TLR1-HL.

[@richardefriend]

Here's a out of the box idea: mount a light on your handgun, AND buy a small inexpensive (preferably rechargeable) flashlight too. Keep it close by in case it too is needed. How's that for covering all your bases without having to compromise. And for those of you out there like me, that don't have the skills of a ninja spec ops marksman, since your grip is important for accuracy, use a mounted light at all times so that your grip is as good as it can be, and you can see what you're targeting (and a combo laser is even better).

[@DWalter.27]

You still compromise carry comfort by putting a light on, something he made very clear

[@Evirthewarrior]

I carry a mounted light and a keychain oLight on my keychain, that way I don't have to point my gun at things if I need a light, and a good, small light on my keychain for fighting things. Glock 19, hybrid inside waistband holster, Veridian light (no laser)

[@strongocho]

Comfort is important because “the best gun is the one you have on you”. I used to carry a Glock with a red dot and although it was nice and shot great, I left it at home more than I should (especially in the summer) because it felt bulky and was on my mind. I now carry a little compact .380 and although it may not be the most “war ready” weapon, it is on me every day, and I feel like that is the most important thing.

[@justin_smith556]

I've used my EDC flashlight way more than I've used my EDC handgun.

[@josephsimmons8384]

John, We need an update on your wife's progression in her EDC. We'll, at least my wife and I do as we are just starting out together. Thanks a ton for what you do.

[@badazzmaro]

Both 😉

[@AaronShadowMoses]

Both 1000% sometimes I carry an extra weapon light in my pocket instead of a handheld because of size and usability etc.

[@MrSteveb1]

Thanks John, you just save me $400 more on my AR, I’ll use my 100% reliable Modlite PLH-V2 or if I want to turn night into day , my Modlite HOG OKW, Like carrying the sun in my pocket , good info

[@TAR3N]

Benefit of a handheld is that its a really good weapon if the bad guy is not wielding a weapon. Great for strikes and pain compliance. But I always have both next to my bed and my desk where i work all night. Additionally i have my home defense rifles and shotguns with mounted lights . When you’re at home… why bother with a pistol ? Just go straight to the long gun or, as someone told me or something I read once ( I’m getting old) …” use your pistol to fight your way to your rifle, then get to work “. Not sure who said it but it’s brilliant and I remember making a point to remember it.

[@22640cal]

I did armed security many years ago and had a weapon light and a handheld light, somehow ( by forgetfulness or luck) my batteries on my handheld dimmed and didn't put out the light as they should.... so i took the batteries out of my weapon light ( big brain move choosing a weapon and handheld that takes the same batteries) and rolled that way for the rest of the night. I figured I needed a handheld WAY more than I would a weapon light in that job/scenario

[@jsouth489]

I actually go with both, the streamlight 7a is great. No comfort issues here.

[@TwoBitPistols]

Please do a video on hand held lights tips and tricks. Deceiving people with hand held lights.etc.

[@malekodesouza7255]

When I was working uniformed patrol; Glock 17 with gun mounted light. I also had a really bright handheld. Best of both worlds. Now that I’m retired; Glock 43X MOS with a red dot and no light. If I need a light then a handheld. Odds are, I won’t need it.

[@robertg9514]

Complete polish job on the eyes, like Riddick - no lights needed.

[@chestercalloway3812]

I have switched entirely to a forehead mounted light with completely hands free mental activation. Just think about turning the light on and it illuminates. So much quicker and more intuitive than any hand held or weapon mounted.

[@walkersmith9512]

If you're rocking a handheld that has a belt clip, throw a rubber O-ring or keyring in it, now it hangs on your finger and frees up your hand for reloading ect.

[@PickupsAreNotTrucks]

I carry a Micro Streamlight every day and I have backups incase I lose one. Best decision I ever made since I really struggle to see dimly lit things. Also have a Surefire on my daily carry. Cuz I can’t see things well in the dark. Your vision comes into play in this decision too. If you’re one of those people who can’t drive at night or can’t drive at night without your glasses, carry both. First thing broke in a fight will be your glasses.

[@rustwins4442]

Comfort is underrated. I started with a full sized 1911 and now I've settled on a g42 AIWB.

[@DWalter.27]

I made it down to a scandium j-frame. Those comfy curves! My wife even swapped to one recently after getting enough practice to shoot it well (a 22lr trainer helps a lot); the curved shape is just way comfier than her Shield.

[@thomasjones5030]

@@DWalter.27 i CC an MG42 with a Modified ford taurus headlight ziptied to the barrel

[@codykoon5520]

I do both for the winter and handheld only for the summer. I use my handheld light too often not to have one.

[@Jasondranoff]

This was super helpful, actually changed my viewpoint I do carry both with my shadow systems and mostly I found myself taking the light off much more than not because to your point way more comfortable..

[@donnjb83]

Pocket flashlight is immensely useful, I use and recharge it regularly so it always works. A pistol mounted light will (hopefully) NEVER be used, i would check it dry firing and probly switch out off for target practice. Probly worth having on a home defense shotgun, but not an edc pistol

[@johnrflower3285]

Great job John! Love handheld option

[@callaseter4811]

I’ve started using a headlamp. Use at the least 1,000 lumens so if you do turn it on , it’s totally blinding . You can take it off and set it to the side and turn it on if necessary. My main reason tho is both my hands are free to operate a pump shotgun etc . Just my 2 cents . 😀🙏😍

[@callaseter4811]

I agree. I can use it with anything I pick up , as the case may be.

[@OlafChevnesky]

Thank you for the validation at the beginning of the video John.

[@josephtucciarone6878]

Thank you for helping us to think clearly.

[@RdeneckTech]

The tricks and tips that you think you can't convey here came through loud and clear to me sir. You made great points and I'm glad that I watched this lesson. Cheers from Texas

[@Aradin56]

So, to provide more anecdotal evidence for your argument, I just got home from cutting grass an hour ago. I was walking up my front steps and decided to brush off all the grass clinging to my jeans. In doing so, I managed to send my wedding ring flying off my finger into the yard (been losing weight so my ring is loose and I haven't gotten it resized). It's dark out, I'm beat, and just wanna go inside, but absolutely HAVE to retrieve my ring. I had my carry gun with a Streamlight TLR 7A, and an 18650 pocket light. Needless to say, I don't want my neighbors to look outside and see me crawling through my yard with a Glock, so I just grabbed my Acebeam and started searching. Even if you have a WML, I think everyone should carry a decent flashlight with them at all times, the amount of use I get outta the thing makes grabbing it in the morning before I leave for work a no-brainer. I've used it to look at people's vehicles when asked about issues, constantly at work to find things in the darker parts of my warehouse, when the power goes out, etc. Get a decent flashlight with a pocket clip or lanyard, and just add it to your EDC gear. I sometimes leave my knife at home, but will NEVER leave my light.

[@wallyhabib]

I rather have both. In case a self defense scenario turns into a gun fight. It’ll be hard to win a gun fight one handed. TLR-6 is compact and extremely easy to conceal. It’s not super bright but it gets the job done. For a belt gun concealment is not a concern anymore so I want a strong mounted flashlight as well as a backup hand held one. Which light will you use will be determined by the situation. It’s always better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[@FredTusing]

What about a headlamp? It can be on the head or in your hand. It can also be anywhere else you can image! The main reason why I have a weapon light on my pistol is because it was cheaper with the light than without it. On my long gun, my light can be taken off to become a handheld light. I always carry my handheld light with me for added security.

[@castle228]

Great info, John. I had the opportunity to take a Low Light/No Light firearms course a few years ago and it was incredibly beneficial. Up until that class, I had some general knowledge of the benefits of mounted vs handheld lights. I now have handheld lights all over the place; nightstands, vehicles, and an EDC.

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Well, handheld lights are versatile and can be used for navigation, signaling for help, or illuminating an area for camp setup or other tasks.

[@Ashton_Speaks]

Very good video and great discusion points in a clear and concise manner with the humor we love. Keep it up boss.

[@tacticalrusher-ym3wk]

This is why I watch your videos not only very informative but very educational thank you for all info

[@donaldfuller5058]

I would say both. Because using your weapon light is not good and get you in trouble. But a weapon that is ticks out a little may stop it from being pushed out of battery on a bad guy’s body. And the flashlight in are hand can fill the void in your fist. You can drop the flashlight if you need a open hand but if all you have is a flashlight you can be in the dark. Now you can use both at the same time and if they don’t see you and may look as there is two of you with the two different lights.

[@krob637]

Been waiting on this one. Thank you John!

[@Roscoe_357]

Olight Headlamp Light & My Ruger Gp100

[@anselmvantil7328]

My 2 cents I teach martial arts, and have taught students that a handheld light let's you blind an approaching individual/ would be attacker and likely back him down, without having the legal ramifications of pointing your gun at him. Thanks for the video man!

[@coldandaloof7166]

I believe the 1 is none, 2 is 1, so I carry 3. I have a large streamlight SL- 20L that lights up the whole county on my duty rig and doubles as an adhoc impact device, A small Streamlight stylus on my vest for up close and in cars, and a TLR2 on my pistol.

[@allenwilson8913]

If forced to choose, I’m going with handheld…it’s more versatile. Took a class from Thunder Ranch and they advocated a hand held with a lanyard that you put you finger through. It works very well.

[@user-tc2ud9fz3w]

Thank you, I have been trying to decide. I am going to get both and use them accordingly.

[@cuchulain1647]

Thank you John

[@logun1970]

Massad Ayoob in his video preferred the handheld over weapon mount to limit the pointing of the weapon at friendlies in say a home defense situation.

[@AJBernard]

Great stuff, John! Thank you!

[@brettelizabethspore]

A VERY good video. Learned a lot. Thanks.

[@jamesshirley5875]

I’m still in the middle of my decision on this subject, I’m glad you made the video, some stuff I hadn’t thought about! Thanks

[@williamjeffersonclinton69]

2 and 3 is my reasoning behind handheld for primary light. But my carry has a WML. Depending on the situation is the determining factor of whether I am going for my hand held or using my carry with a light on it.

[@SAlley01]

One more benefit to a hand held is I have never been told I could not have it on me even going though a security check point. You can give a hand held to your school age kid or teen and they can have it at school. (As long as they don't play with it and its no huge). I have been in school and the power went out.

[@MBC-777]

Great video! In addition to a WML and a handheld light, I use app controlled lights in the home. Turn on any lights in the house using the app. I can even turn them on in strobe or disco ball mode for an added distraction for the intruder.

[@ScottAdamsVT]

Love your videos...and your humor!

[@SuperBeepYou]

I'm glad I listened to your advice on your CR920 subcompact video about how lights on guns are bullet magnets. Did my own research through Nitecore and other youtubers that did low light tactics videos. Super educational video that answered more questions that I had on the subject. I love the content!!!

[@JonCampo91]

Handheld lights are also magnets. And the bad guy is HIGHLY unlikely to be very accurate, just go to an indoor range and watch people that actually practice a few times a year (way more than most bad guys) attempt to hit the A zone at 10 yards, under no stress. With the size of the groupings, you can’t hold that flashlight away from your body enough, you’re going to be at just as big of a risk. Meanwhile you can get two good hands on the gun with a weapon mounted light. Personally I would only use a handheld for scanning, and if I had to draw my ccw quickly. Otherwise, I’d opt for the wml. Just something to think about

[@tonyb3848]

This was a good video. My HD weapons have lights but for carry I don’t feel that it’s necessary

[@natekinzie4749]

I've never used the surefire light he uses, but I absolutely love my streamlight wedge, I carry it everywhere I go!

[@buifreestyle8780]

Winter time where I am, I carry a handheld and weapon light. Summer time hand held 👍! Having both is great

[@chrisharrelson178]

You can point the gun mounted light straight up and light up the room, you don’t necessarily have to point the gun directly at someone to see in a dark room. I can’t help but think that if you have a break in it will probably be once I n your life. Are you always going to have a flashlight sitting right next to your gun at that particular moment? I doubt it.

[@chipsterb4946]

Additional benefits of handheld light: it’s really useful for all sorts of situations not involving self defense. I almost always have a light and a knife on my person no matter where I am or what I’m doing and I use both nearly every day. Also, you don’t have to find the “perfect” holster that accommodates your specific EDC and the light you chose. Plus why would I want to add weight and bulk to a P365? The whole point is as small a package as possible that I can still get a good grip on. Oh and if I’m pocket carrying an Airweight revolver a separate light is the only option.

[@Katurodrake]

How's about an AR. I use a Stream Light on my heavy use rifle, but my backpack gun uses an Olight. I'm not super crazy about features, more failure points, and olight kind of rubs me the wrong way with how it's built. Buuuut a huge upside to it is that it has the QD, Which allows it to switch between a rifle light and a hand held light in a pinch. It can't take bumps and bangs like a Steam light or the Surefire, but if it's in your pack most of the time and not outside patrolling, it's a good pick for that exact reason.

[@carlbieler9039]

John, God Bless you! …. mounted.

[@brianbrewer4035]

I am 6'1' 255 lbs and I carry appendix my war poet with TLR7, p320 AXG scorpion with a steiner MPS and a TLR1 HL or my sig P365 XL with a TLR7 SUB with ease. I also carry a flashlight. I think my size gives me that advantage.

[@DeerkillerC88]

I carry both. Not that I think I'm way on top but I love what you said that I don't have to point my gun to see. Also carring with a massive light on your gun... way uncomfortable.

[@FLsheepdog1]

Thanks for shedding a light on that.

[@dragonsofthunder]

I'm handheld, too. Even if someone bust in my house I'm not automatically turning on a flashlight! I use my house layout and furniture to my benefit. If I absolutely need it then yeah, but most times no

[@3Pillers]

Hand held can also be used as an improvised weapon / pocket stick / kubaton.

[@gasaxe6056]

I know a few local ranchers that are dead because they went out with a flashlight to see what all the noise was. May they rest in piece. My grandfather used to tell me how they would look for guys lighting cigarettes in WW2. The biggest mistake they ever made he would say with a chuckle. I guess that was the old school night vision now that I think of it.

[@tat-2-71]

I have my trusty rechargeable streamlight that goes with me everywhere. As a side note, you've been to some really bad and dangerous places and made it out OK. I'd say the "school of John" is a pretty decent one to attend. ✌🏻

[@flyoverkid55]

Allow me to simplify. In any conditions short of open warfare, the hand held light is a must. As civilians, we cannot legally point a firearm at an unidentified/ unknown subject. Every other consideration is secondary.

[@astang1072]

Agreed, just a weapon mounted light doesn’t make sense. You can’t use a WML as a general flashlight! But that TLR-7 on a G19 rides pretty comfortable for me. So I rock both.

[@RL-RL]

I'm in the #3 camp. I use my handheld to survey my propery at night just to keep critters away from the garden. Also for like you said, they will think you are somewhere else, then use your weapon light for intruders IN your home. "Surprise MF"!

[@MUMZZ400]

I like this video, I value your opinion greatly and I love my family. That’s why I always carry a pocket light and an XR 920 with a TLR7A all the time. Thanks for sharing. 🗽✌🏻

[@5.56Media]

Have and train with both. Either option works if you're trained.

[@tylergibson9077]

Modlite OKW handheld and X300 Turbo at all times. I like the candela especially living in a major city. Also the emissary development X300 switches make using the X300 a breeze and super natural

[@jeffkaminski6404]

Agreed. I always carry a pocket light. So many more uses

[@vitogriffin8902]

For duty or wartime type situations a weapon light is required, but for every day average Joe life I don't find a pistol light necessary so I don't use them. I do carry 2 handhelds; one for general purpose stuff and one super bright, high candela light for "tactical" or longer distance applications.

[@__stopit__5259]

I prefer both. Saying that, for the past year I currently only carry handheld. It’s more comfortable. WML’s are for fighting rigs. Dedicated guns have dedicated lights. Can’t have the best of both worlds it’s impossible