Hanging Out: A That 70s Show Retrospective

[@JoseBird]

When giving the date for Lisa Robin Kelly's death, I mispoke and said it was January 3, 2014. It was actually August 15, 2013. The January date was when her cause of death was announced.

[@Vigilante9033]

@@FrancisR420 oo

[@nathancoleman7235]

I have just been watching this Jose.I was around(alive)in the 1970's(I was a preteen child in elementary school) so I am about a decade or more older than you and I watched That '70's Show in the late 1990's and most of the 2000's.

[@Ravathiel]

@@FrancisR420 Tommy mentioned , (I think in getting Doug with High) they it was a setup. they had a new hire, and multiple times , said employee tried sending either bongs or Seeds, to a state that its no Legal in. and multiple times, he was caught and told DONT DO THAT. until - he finally did. and turned out it was a undercover & inturn "busted or raided" Tommy's home and arrested him.

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

I feel like I have no right to be this sad over it. And also Tanya Roberts aka Midge. But its just a real bummer. I guess its a byproduct of being the blondes on the show.

[@kmsleyang1980]

Also Jackie was with Hyde when her dad went to prison and she had to fend for herself. The Foreman’s discovered her sleeping in the basement with Hyde. Then she went to live with Donna.

[@smosh_crone]

the scene where eric and kitty drive home when he shadows her as a nurse has always stayed with me. she always comes across as so bubbly, but carries so much pain, and Eric sees her beyond their house. it's impactful

[@fellowsufferer4486]

Which episode ?

[@fellowsufferer4486]

@Boco Corwin thanks man

[@MLPGamer44]

I worked in a retirement home as a 16 year old drop out, both on the medical side as a “house keeper” and on the side where the residents were more able bodied but still needed help. When I found out one of the the residents on the medical side passed away, that I grew a bond with, I cried in front of the whole nursing staff asking how he died and if it was painless. They were all used to it but still understood my first time pain. Nurses and doctors are so strong and caring. Even if they have to mask the pain they feel from the inevitable losses they will face. The man I lost rarely got visits from family, lost his wife during retirement, and persisted to PAY me for doing my job (which is not something we are supposed to accept so he kept offering me 5 bucks for my cleaning services but all I could do was let him know i appreciated it but couldn’t take it, and one day he was gone) So that scene with Kitty just jamming out to cope, resonated with me

[@DarkEvilEmu]

Bad! (Bad!) Blood (Blood!)

[@kidlitfanful]

I loved that. I also loved how her coworkers told Eric how hilarious Kitty was! Reminded me of the times I went into work with my own mom.

[@ameliashostak4764]

Topher was really the only one who stayed out of trouble. He got SO much flack in Hollywood because he was never seen out partying with his cast mates and actually got called like a male diva, that he was trying to separate himself from them because he was somehow "above them" well look who's laughing now...?!?

[@Vinkel_10]

Well, it’s easy to say that NOW, but in reality, he was a diva, and was isolated and Hollywood as well us viewers hated on him for it because we liked the others in the core group so much. Solid tactic for sheeple to pretend they didn’t support and love perverts. We all knew Mila was underage, and the show never bothered ANYONE. Now people say “watching it now it’s pretty uncomfortable”. What BS! No mention of the innuendos of the middle aged woman in the show liking Fez or Kelso sexually, an underaged character. So funny what people deem important and even funnier how it changes more often than we do presidents. 😂

[@chrispember172]

him leaving to get a movie career was a dumb move given how sitcom leads make more money than movie stars

[@user-xc7uo6md3n]

I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@moosenman]

@@Vinkel_10how is it diva behavior to be more private?

[@patricksullivan8165]

@@moosenmanexactly and what would you rather be isolated be a homebody or be a guy who dates underage girls or a rapist or someone who supported a rapist or even apart of a cult

[@uniraffesaur]

It never fails to make me laugh when I remember that Mila Kunis told the casting directors “I’m gonna be 18” without specifying “in 4 years”

[@elovejapan7818]

Actors who manage to pull that sort of thing and get away with it are true actors

[@weelzneal4768]

"I'll be 18 on my bday" which was 2yrs away lol

[@GermanLeftist]

Reminds me of how George Lazenby became James Bond.

[@cykablyatman6242]

well now it's not actually funny..........see what happened recently.

[@weelzneal4768]

@@cykablyatman6242 perspective really

[@chrisp7044]

I never noticed exactly how good Ashton Kutcher's physical comedy was. What a good show this was. And they had Mitch Hedberg in a couple episodes!

[@jace2802]

In the pilot he jumped to talk to Erics sister and slammed into the table the entire cast (besides kitty who froze) was laughing although it wasn't scripted

[@Ravathiel]

MY EYE

[@austins.2495]

And Shannon Elizabeth… man she was the hottest woman alive at that time!

[@kmsleyang1980]

@@jace2802 yes he said it hurt bad but he kept on going with his line…there’s no way I could’ve done that. I’m a punk when it comes to pain lol!

[@charlesgale4257]

@@jace2802 I love that scene and always thought it took multiple takes

[@thedavidj1996]

That scene where Kitty and Red are basically saving Hyde is at the same time funny as hell and also so touching. It’s by far one of my favorite scenes in this show.

[@meghanworkman6449]

And towards the end of the series when Kitty tears up and hugs Hyde and tells him "I just adore you!" - that made me tear up, too.

[@Rubyrubits]

For real, when he's left in Hydes home, alone, looks at the ceiling & you hear him exclaim covered by one loud *BEEP* censor, was perfect to make me laugh back then.

[@DalleDayul]

It doesn't really get enough love now, but Kutcher's performance on this show was just fantastic. He was by far the best comedic actor on the show, and was so good with physical comedy. If you ever watch bloopers, you'll also see just how good he is at staying in character and keeping a scene together while improvising. I think it almost worked against him since he was then typecast as a Kelso-esque character for so long.

[@KzudemRiM]

Kelsos unpredictable stupidity was hilarious

[@laalaag2auntyayag776]

I agree totally. He was fantastic in this role. Almost TOO fantastic, like you said being typecast as that character- just because he was so damn good at it.

[@Dhips.]

I love the line where he talks about trying to put out a fire where he says something like "I heard you fight fire with fire so I lit some matches, but it just made the fire bigger!"

[@PrometheusOfVideos]

Hahaha!!! Omg that scene is hilarious 😂 Thank you SO MUCH for reminding me of that, I needed a good laugh 😃 You're referring to when Kelso accidentally burns down the police academy auditorium!! Kelso: "I accidentally shot off a flare and it went right under the bleachers.... so then I shot off another flare at the first flare because you know what they say, you gotta "fight fire with fire...So, then I shot another flare into the air to warn people about the fire and that one just went right on the roof, so I just got the hell out of there." 😆 🤣 😂

[@quantumjourney1]

Yeah it's funny how he defended a predator despite knowing what he did. Flailing his arms around like a big goof

[@sundhaug92]

Re Jackie: In a bit of a flip of her character she demonstrates a significant ability as a car-mechanic, which is part of why Red likes her better than the rest of the gang

[@koboldcatgirl]

It always broke my heart they never followed up on that. I feel like someone had the idea "what if Jackie and Red bonded and he became a surrogate father figure to her" and they never followed up on it.

[@ArmandoSanchezOG]

@@koboldcatgirl I think part of it was because it felt like he was becoming a surrogate father to almost every character in the main cast

[@heatherheath3834]

@@ArmandoSanchezOG when your chosen profession is career dad

[@omarslayz]

@@ArmandoSanchezOG love that Red was the most surrogate father to Jackie and Hyde. Donna had Bob, Kelso i think still had his dad, and he shared good moments with Fez but him being a foreigner i think didn’t allow him to get as close to him as he was to Jackie and Hyde later on. regardless, Red and Kitty were the perfect couple to be either both surrogate parents or secondary parents to the cast

[@PatrickHogan]

The scene where Kitty is showing the house for sale always makes me tear up. She’s so good. All those tears in the finale were real.

[@KaiDecadence]

Probably one of few only good scenes from season 8.

[@BluetheRaccoon]

Danny Masterson update: as of 9/7/2023 he has been sentenced to 30 years to life in prison for his crimes.

[@macethorns1168]

No, he was sentenced to 30 years for a bunch of unsubstantiated BULLSHIT from three EX girlfriends who had no physical evidence but somehow got a conviction 20 years after the fact. Fuck that.

[@Backinblackbunny009]

And his wife is trying to hide all his assets away before the civil trials can grab them. Honestly its kinda bullshit. Sure she has a kid but when has this country ever cared about the welfare of kids who DIDN'T have a rich convicted sexual predator and rapist for a parent?

[@jbkeebs]

With no physical evidence at that. How neat

[@goobert221]

@@jbkeebs You’re actually stupid

[@FrauStormm]

@@jbkeebsstay mad

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

Hyde and Jackie makes so much sense in terms of character, even from the very beginning

[@amandaredd3057]

should've kept them together I think

[@user-wo3yd5ke4s]

How

[@thatyoutubechannel9953]

@@user-wo3yd5ke4s they're both kind of bad, superficial people with a deeper sense of kindness and morality that redeems them

[@chana7276]

I agree, they were the best together

[@chana7276]

@@thatyoutubechannel9953 they're not "bad" they're teenagers but they actually help each other

[@MikeBsMovies]

The episode where Red asks the president a question has always stuck with me.

[@Sugarman96]

"Oui oui pee pee!"

[@tenkenroo]

I like how Eric gives red courage and it’s still hilarious. “Next time don’t wear black socks, it makes you look like an ass”

[@robertowens89]

Red being the combat veteran and the one struggling to make ends meet and Bob being the national guardsmen and being a successful businessman always struck me as a sad commentary on how we treat our combat veterans.

[@doperagu8471]

I loved Hyde's character... It's a bummer to see Danny Masterson turned out to be an abuser/SA assaulter currently on trial. Not to mention his ties to scientology 🙄 Laura Prepon (Donna) is (was?) also a scientologist. She's allegedly left "the church" but she was still in for a long time, either ignorant or willfully ignoring the many many atrocities that have come out around scientology in the last couple of decades.

[@Sqwivig]

Religion is a plague on humanity 🤮

[@stephjovi]

Although I agree, when it comes to atrocities commited by churches, lots of churches have done that and still do.

[@devonmunn5728]

I didn't know that she apparently left. Good for her. It's not easy cause in a show about cults on ID they did an episode on Scientology and people who leave are aggressively harassed by members

[@mechanomics2649]

It isn't as simple as someone "ignoring" the things Scientology has done. These people don't live in a vacuum . It's very, very hard to leave scientology because of all of the tools of both manipulation and barriers (some being physical) that the church of Scientology employ. You should really look into what former members have to say about their time in the cult, and the level of harassment they face after leaving. The victims of this cult do not only exist outside of this cult, they also very much exist within it.

[@JurassicLion2049]

Shes been out for six years

[@kallistiX1]

Buddy was actually meant to be a recurring character. There was QUITE a bit of backlash about the kiss and that's why he never came back. I think there was also supposed to be a plot about Eric being Bi and a Donna-Eric-Buddy triangle.

[@SRLovesPandas1]

that would've been cool to see ngl

[@KaiDecadence]

Yeah I remember reading that and it was so disheartening to hear because Buddy would've made a great recurring character. I'm not so sure about the bisexual love triangle, sounds interesting but also feels like it could've went horribly wrong.

[@marocat4749]

Too bad, buddy i pretty cool and likable and , at east could hav recurring , even more with eric, but is prtty cool and fun.

[@soph996]

Buddy seemed like one of the few characters who actually liked Eric and whom Eric liked lol. But in all seriousness, I loved Buddy and I love JGL and to have him as a recurring character would have been amazing but alas....homophobia

[@chadwellington2524]

that would have been ok but messed up the eric donna relationaship

[@Dad......]

Met Debra Jo Rupp through a family friend while visiting in Massachusetts, coolest lady. Totally called her Kitty to her face 🤦 She said "I'm not Kitty, but I take that as a compliment. I'm a big fan of Kitty's." I'll definitely watch "That 90's Show." Red and Kitty were the two best characters in the show.

[@EdgedShadow]

I always thought it was strange that a show about teenagers had virtually no scenes in a high school. I can only remember a few times it was shown.

[@jackjames1]

The only one i can think of is the one when Eric gets caught with the cigarette

[@angelfishluva291]

I had actually never even noticed that, looking back it probably was another reason why it was so popular. Almost every teen show revolves around school somehow, not having that was really like hanging out with them in their circle.

[@SRLovesPandas1]

there was the lunch scene where they looked like The Last Supper

[@DearxMyxSongs]

You only really see school scenes in season one and prom and Eric having to complete gym. I always liked that it felt like we were just chilling with them, escaping school with them.

[@KaiDecadence]

There were a few but I think they mostly took place in season 1. Like how we saw Eric in science class with the guy who had a crush on him. Or the gang standing outside school. I definitely agree with you though that it was odd how we hardly saw them in school compared to other sitcoms that were high-school centered at the time.

[@__Andrew]

The "18 and 49" demographic was spot on. I remember watching this with my parents as a teen and they loved it just as much as i did and would constantly laugh and make remarks about "having that hair style" or "i had that exact shirt" or going to see a band that was popular then. I saw my own teen years reflected on screen while my parents relived theirs.

[@erikhendrickson59]

Not unlike "Happy Days" decades earlier, actually!

[@thrillhouse4151]

Hell yeah, my little sister and I would watch this with our old ass dad.

[@KaiDecadence]

I love hearing stories like this where there were teenagers watching this with their parents and both loving it.I wasn't as lucky with this but uh... Different ethnic demographics and my dad was more into crime investigation shows lol

[@Kyra-fe6do]

how cute.

[@amandaredd3057]

same!

[@__Andrew]

Also as far as the sort of cliche "Jackie is dating everyone" story lines, that sort of isn't all that unrealistic either i feel. Growing up there were a few girls close in our friend group that pretty much dated most of the guys over the years. There wasn't anything bad about it, it was just teenagers learning the ropes of dating and romance and that is going to happen when you spend so much of your time with people during your teen years. I've even seen this sort of play out with my niece and her friend group. Its part of growing up, not really knowing what you want or who you are, and just exploring romance with people you feel most comfortable with. I do wish they gave Jackie more to do, but i still found a lot of relatable stuff her in her constant romantic adventures with the group.

[@christophergreen6595]

Its also just what happens in a small dating pool in your teens and twenties. I wa so confused in later years when a SO was confused/hurt by how I had 'dated all of my friends'. Like yeah... who else?

[@marocat4749]

I men its a small town , then, yeah, that happens, as do on off relationships. and yeah just happens in socia groups apearently. Including some drama.That honesty is pretty realistic.

[@PaintedHoundie]

its kind of hard for me to believe this is common unless the demographic is from a small town. that hasnt been my experience for the most part. it feels like more what happens with a lot of sticoms where the cast all date each other because no one's trying to cast a bunch of extra people to be just 4 or 5 extra love interests for characters. most of my experience irl is people finding someone outside the circle, and brining them into the fold while theyre dating.

[@yespls4184]

This sort of happened to me in college.. never thought I'd be that girl, but I was.

[@88kayleigh]

I agree, I grew up in a small town too, also somewhat isolated geographically… that really is what happens sometimes. It doesn’t seem like “much to do” in terms of TV plotlines but sometimes that’s reality for a small town high school student.

[@ericglenn9984]

My dad gave me the entire series on DVD as a gift one year. Ive watched this show beginning to end so many times. These characters are are so fun to hang out with when you don't have any friends.

[@quantumjourney1]

;_;

[@ShakespearsCyst]

One thing I really love in this show that you didn't bring up is Red and Kitty's relationship. Back then, it was refreshing to see an older couple still be very sexually active. Like there could be an amazing compilation of them making eye contact and then running up the stairs lol I absolutely love your videos; it's nice to relive and remember a great show like this, especially since DM's actions soured it a little upon rewatch.

[@Matt-hh2ye]

"OH KITTY!"

[@denislemieux4915]

It was also the first time I remember seeing the parents being like actual well rounded people.

[@Valpo2004]

Never thought about this before but had to give it a like. The trope is with people who have been married a long time that they hate/resent one another. But their relationship portrayed as a strong one and Kitty is the only person Red is ever really vulnerable with.

[@jennifermorrill5184]

"I took cosmos test on 10 ways to please your man and I got 9/10. But I missed #3 cause I'm a nurse and #3 is icky." I love kitty.

[@EdsterIII]

This show did a phenomenal job of showing a somewhat true family dynamic. How some lives were especially back during the 70's. Where some houses were THE HANGOUT for everyone. Where groups of buddies would hang out, have fun, and sneak a 🍺🍻beer🍻🍺 or three/five? And how parents didn't get castrated once their kids turned 14. They took events that for many of us were scarring and horrific, like either walking on your parents....OMG! Or even hearing them! Again OMG! That caused a LOT, A LOT OF PTSD for many kids. Joking aside, That 70's Show did a great job of really showing life for some families back then in the 70's, as well as the effects on their kids, their friendships, relationships, and lives. Albeit in a very hilarious way. Granted every character was over the top, outrageously over the top, but Eric as the "Nice guy", but weak with little to no confidence, to his girlfriend Donna, a feminist wannabe who really likes the good guy even though he is also a real dumb@ss. Jackie the overconfident, narcissistic, egomaniacal, vicious, and obnoxious "baby" girl of the group who was also the first one to, give up her 🍒. Her boyfriend and total idiot Michael Kelso, who had the IQ of a 🥜peanut🥜. To the one bad guy of the group, Hyde, who knew and worked with/for their supplier of "Super Happy Fun Time" as Red called it. Finally Fez or Fes, which stood for Foreign Exchange Student. While he wasn't as paranoid as Raj from the Big Bang Theory, he was the misfit, and about as smart as smart as a 🪨 Then the parents. Red and Kitty and Bob and Midge. Kitty wanted her family at church every Sunday, while oddly Bob and Midge usually were. Probably because of their deviant behavior. Bob and Midge were swingers, partner swappers, or whatever you want to call it, they did it, and while Red and Kitty were active, they were a lot, A LOT more discreet about it Each character was perfectly casted, well written, and very well portrayed. Even the Guest Stars were incredible. Marion Ross as Red Foreman's Mother was done perfectly and Kitty played the spiteful Daughter-in-law perfect as well! The one non-main character I loved was Tommy Chong. He was again, perfectly casted, written and portrayed brilliantly. The storylines were always funny, they didn't shove a lot of agenda filled bull crap in your face, and they always entertained you. Although the last season was really really weak!

[@emilymfv]

On the serious side, we also have to remember the accusations against Wilmer Valderrama for the grooming of several teenagers during his whole life. There are at least 4 of them and all have talked about how they were wooed by him when they were under 20 y/o while he was in his late 20s/early 30s. These relationships have left a lot of trauma and have harmed all the women who unfortunately were targeted by him during the years (some even include his current wife who is 11 years his junior)

[@punkorifik]

Danny Masterson who played Hyde is also in court now for sexual assault of multiple women, with the church of scientology trying to sweep it under the rug.

[@TiggiTheWillful]

@@punkorifik there’s a whole bit at the end of video about Danny

[@simonwilliamson3684]

I tried looking at his Wikipedia page, and searching his name + allegations and all I can find is stuff about other actors. Do you have a link or something?

[@emilymfv]

@@simonwilliamson3684 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKvFZHx4rseqq5o This is a pretty well researched video summarizing the situation

[@FacebookQueen]

@@simonwilliamson3684 Sol4n made a video about it in many details worth checking out

[@katy4523]

The best part about the cat killer scene is that he wasn't supposed to laugh and it was a blooper they kept in the show with Kurtwood's recovery of keeping a straight face

[@theboyisnotright6312]

That is one of my favorite episodes 😂😂😂😂.

[@bbuny10]

Every time I see the dad in other media, I instantly see him as the Dad of this show. Red and Kitty will truly always be the standout characters to me

[@rlord7053]

Always liked when Donna got the job at the radio station.....a dream job for a teen at that time

[@autonomous8108]

I appreciate you throwing the "Santa clause" scene in. One of the best scenes in the show. It also establishes that Red isn't cold hearted. He does care, he just shows it by being a hard ass.

[@PaceFilmsProductions]

I used to watch this all the time but the part that I’m most nostalgic for is how after each episode (or sometimes even during a commercial break) I’d go find my stepmom and tell her all the stuff that happened or jokes that so funny etc, she didn’t watch the show so I think she was just humoring me but she would sit there, laugh along with what I told her and obviously it’s not a major thing but it’s turned into a really cherished memory of our time together now that she’s passed. Honestly because of the memories of the show being so intertwined with those specific memories, I may just want to let the show stay that way in my mind instead of a full blown rewatch.

[@maxkenner1078]

sorry 4 ya loss, very cool observations

[@kerishaw8991]

I can totally emphasize with that feeling. My stepmom introduced me to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She had all the seasons on DVD and we would watch them over and over when I came over the summer. When she pasted away and we were cleaning out her place, I grabbed all the DVDs and even bought a DVD player. 📀

[@studiostyx7075]

That's actually awesome, are you a performer of some kind--comedian, storyteller, musician, etc? Sounds like your stepmom enjoyed your narration and appreciated your talent. Either way, that's a really nice memory. Thanks for sharing.

[@malum9478]

that is so cute damn

[@malum9478]

@@kerishaw8991 *empathize baby

[@machodgdon]

Man I really hope That 90’s Show has some sort of flashback scene where Eric finds out Luke and Leia are siblings

[@Powerman293]

Topher Grace has barely aged so that might actually work lol

[@jordangroff8978]

Kitty going through menopause was f***ing hilarious, probably the main reason season 5 is a top 3 for me.

[@Helga-fe5xl]

Mucous membrane

[@crystallewis5902]

The writing of Jackie's character and the fact that she isn't given many plots outside of her romantic entanglements I think relates back to the fact that the target audience for this show was 18-to-49-year-old men. For teen guys watching this show, they have four male characters to relate to, but there are only two main teenage girls in the cast, presenting fewer personalities for female viewers to relate to. The women in the show (especially Donna) symbolize the 'girl next door' that the male audiences wish they could date/wished they dated when they were younger more than they are full-fledged characters, which is unfortunately common in sitcoms (it's a problem that The Big Bang Theory sometimes had with Penny, Bernadette and Amy).

[@marocat4749]

Honesty , its fine he is eporing, it pretty common in ciques that people make rounds, what hurt is that ike he could have other stories too, but her going rounds, is a thing that happens. And a smal town, is small. But yeah she coud have others havve epord too, and mila kunis is good, she woud have owned that. Plus a shame they didnt gave fez at least some weird but sucessful job or business where he is not a creep. Dunno maybe a transator or whatever. Hel he even coul incidently be involvd with a crimelord. You can make him weird without making him a creep!

[@macethorns1168]

We've seen how well movies and shows do when they're written for a target audience that simply doesn't exist. So...meh...

[@EndParenthesis]

Loved this show, but you can tell it doesn't quite know what to do with itself in the later seasons. The bit where you talked about how the characters were trapped by the premise of the show, starting in the late 70's and never being able to progress past that point, is something I've always felt too. Never understood why they didn't start the show in the early 70's instead, to allow for more change and give the characters more room to grow while still keeping the premise.

[@studiostyx7075]

Agree. The only way it might have worked is to deliberately have the friends stick around in town after graduating to work, attend local colleges, and be roommates, thus ushering in their young adult 80s era.

[@aaronmaher8882]

They mentioned they set it in the mid to late seventies so the trends of the decade are more established. The early seventies are probably too much like the sixties for it to feel like a sevnties show.

[@EndParenthesis]

@@aaronmaher8882 Yeah, that's probably true. Also just now realized that they might not even have considered this, since the show wasn't called That 70's Show when they started producing it. If they'd called it something else, like they originally planned, they could have theoretically moved into the 80's, but they were basically trapped by changing the name.

[@jaredwalters84]

I think they started the show in 1976 so there’s no Vietnam War going on in the world of That 70’s show.

[@justjohnny420]

Needed to get to star wars to happen sooner

[@pac1841]

The speed that you put out these retrospectives is insanely impressive.

[@zippidisx2749]

Well that is because they are extremely surface level and the research is rather piss poor on core concepts but then concepts like Red's masculinity which is all subjective assumption, all of as sudden this guy has all the time in the world to speculate. This dude is such a leftist that some really basic concepts get overlooked but hey lets talk 5 minutes bout 1 gay character in 1 part of 1 episode only to come to the conclusion 5 minutes later that the show is hetero.... okay cool point nerd. At least Hyde's entire social outcast mark and social acceptance into a new family which was part of almost the entire series got like 8 minutes of time. It is basically a wikipedia where everything left and social justice is blown up to half the show and all of the major arching themes are cliffnotes because this guy is insane.

[@SnailHatan]

Considering the quality of the writing, it really isn’t.

[@michaelfrey3619]

One thing I gotta disagree on is Red and Foreman's relationship is so meaningful BECAUSE of that stigma of masculinity. The way they play it is perfect if you ask me. Because Red breaks the "rules" that he was inundated with on more than one occasion when it truly matters. But at the same time he is doing the dad thing of letting his son know nobody gives a shit about his issues most of the time.

[@marocat4749]

An he is a flawed person , and i hat how he later gets more a character, but its even better when red i cleary flawed, and that charactr works becaus he is so contradictory and trying to break pattern when, also being stuck. Like what matters is that yeah he actually liten sometimes an actually cars and tries, but also, he is stuck in his ways. Dunno if thats why he feels so real. That people arent perfect, And godamn he could have gotten a better growth, but he is great played between realistic fawed peron stuck in their way and doing somehat connect. And he is that character, not a great rolemodel but a flawed one. Which are more real?! An he has points?! And they fight, but its , ok it feels real. It makes me interested how much of his dad was put in th how by him by the creator. An yeah kitty could have gotten more evelopement and ike red actually opening up more and he xpore , i dont know, stuff she likes even mal things, i dont know. Maybe thts whr the cynicim . But red i played perfect .

[@tenkenroo]

Also one thing of note, red is a combat veteran. The man is also implied to have been from an abusive home. He is incredibly flawed but tries to be a good man.

[@matthewjones12181]

Ive always thought the best tension in the show was how Red wanted Eric to be more like him, but he truly is a "Momma's boy". He's so much more like his mother. But there are times where his father also shines through, like keeping the gang together.

[@VirtualBoy500]

This is the first of these retrospectives that's about a show I've actually seen most of, which should make for an interesting watch.

[@padawansound6423]

Man, this really made me crave a Freaks and Geeks retrospective.

[@Literally-God]

22:40 saving this for myself and anyone else who could see Kelso slip into the punch bowl and keep the scene going over and over again without getting tired of it.

[@SeppelSquirrel]

NOT THE LITTLEST HOBO!! WHYYYYYY!! Can't believe I still remember so much of this show. 🤣🤣

[@mikeyyd8696]

So glad that you added that part at the end about the debate over engaging with art where some of the people involved have done shitty things. Personally I agree that it would be unfair to discount That 70s Show entirely because of Danny Masterson's actions, but also I understand why some people would avoid it. There are definitely times where it feels weird watching the show knowing what he did. Especially as Hyde is such a beloved character I think a lot of people (myself included) have pretty conflicted feelings about loving the character but hating the guy who portrayed him.

[@shannonlevy3220]

Just rewatched them all. Hyde was my favorite. So bittersweet!

[@macethorns1168]

So you didn't find it strange that 3 ex-girlfriends came out of the woodwork after 20 years to smear and accuse him **without a fucking shred of physical evidence** and that there was a mistrial the first time around?

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

Well y'know, the church of scientology is to blame for it. They brainwash people into doing this shit thinking it's ok.

[@Sebastian-fn1qg]

Tbh, Red's switch on Nixon reminds me of a lot of Republicans going from being ashamed of Jan 6th, to just digging in, and becoming even more supportive of the GOP.

[@Sqwivig]

TRUUUUUEEE!!!

[@warlordofbritannia]

It’s honestly sad how many people would rather support fascism than admit they were wrong

[@kells4315]

Yeah, though I hate the Flanderization, it's not unheard of for an oldschool republican to get radicalized to just turn into towing the company line over time

[@marocat4749]

Through i woul iked i red were rathe a rolemodel for being a cranky not great person, he remembers noixon, and do not trust them of something. Which dunno another cospiracy hole, but could he at least have that clearity. An media is important, so i would rather hav a good exampl of a principles lawed onrvative than one buying al in.

[@ddjsoyenby]

they never learn.

[@nicholasfederico1448]

I grew up watching this show in the early 2000's, my teenage years, and I only related a lot with Eric at the time. Haven't revisited the show in nearly 20 years now, but watching this retro really shows how this show hit so many real and relatable characters and stories. Those early seasons were so incredibly well-written.

[@solomonpale]

Did anyone else notice the slow creep of fashion and hairstyles from period correct to soooo 00's during the course of the show?

[@chadmasta5]

In their defense a lot of fashion trends in the early 2000s were heavily influenced by the 70s.

[@daxmoney5011]

1:31:23 if that 80s show came out like 10 years later I think it could gone on longer than it did because early 2010s is really where 80s nostalgia started to come out the woodworks

[@jtszabo1691]

I had the pleasure of meeting Tonya Roberts and Jen con in 2004, she was a very nice lady. RIP

[@brokeeboii7879]

I've never been more upset than when they took this off Netflix

[@cotopaximusic]

Now it's on Peacock, a streaming service that doesn't actively promote softcore child p0rn like Netflix

[@Matt-hh2ye]

@@cotopaximusic glad some people didn't forget about that. Haven't had Netflix since

[@PasCorrect]

Fun fact, the two novice writers hired to adapt it for the UK went on to create the highly successful and very dark sitcom "Peep Show" (among others), and one of them is the creator/showrunner of HBO's darkly funny drama "Succession". I'm not sure if That 70s Show had any chance of working over there, but as a project it was a terrible fit for those two.

[@mothturtle7897]

The British 70s show felt weirdly American because they tried to adapt it too directly when culturally I think Britain and the US were quite different, much more so than today. Even the layout of the house is similar, which is just all wrong for a lower middle class/working class household in Britain. I doubt that was the choice of the writers though.

[@kathrynstemler6331]

Love “Peep Show”!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@raymondsmith9886]

I can’t find this online, but I believe you

[@user-xc7uo6md3n]

​@@raymondsmith9886 adaptation is called days like these

[@tencraziest5697]

Rip buddy he was cool as hell, too bad America wasn't ready for him

[@omensoffate]

Good

[@tapoemt3995]

@@omensoffate Here here!

[@macethorns1168]

He was cool...why? What a dumb comment.

[@user-xc7uo6md3n]

I'm glad it didn't happen it wouldn't have worked i think. Are you being served is an amazing show from the 70s with a main gay cast member but this was a British show

[@littleprettyfairy]

@@tapoemt3995ur so sensitive damn

[@thereyofwater]

I love how Randy is barely a footnote in this video.

[@NavySharkz]

Due to recent events with Danny Masterson, a reunion episode of That 70's Show will be bittersweet.

[@mirandagarcia3888]

That's So Raven needs it's own retrospective. The world should demand it!!

[@matthewmartin1852]

Segwaying from the awful last point on Scientology, I'd love to see a retrospective on King of Queens! It's really interesting to go back and watch. Despite owning a house in Queens, it does an interesting job of portraying a working-class, childless couple. In addition to just being a great show of the talents of Jerry Stiller, Leah Remi, Patton Oswalt, and Kevin James

[@firstnext5482]

*segueing. Segway is the scooter thing. But no, I agree with you.

[@miskatonic6210]

It was awful, cheap and unfunny.

[@katelynwhitmore9298]

It's a little ironic how Fez turned into a huge creep in the show and Willmer went on to also be a huge creep

[@GG1Productions]

Holy crap, the actress who plays the British version of Laurie is Lucy Punch. She's the actress who has built a whole career out of playing the Wicked Stepsister in Cinderella adaptations

[@adeadphish7931]

My family watched this show as it aired and it has always been a comfort show to play in the background at home regularly and it resonating a lot for my parents as people who was a teenagers in the 70s with that nostalgia and for me and my brother seeing the show, especially in hindsight as older teenagers and adults down the line. As for the controversy in the wake of allegations, I can still watch the show, mostly as a time capsule and because in watching it with the media I own, I am not actively supporting an artist who is actively hurting people in the here and now the way I would have if I not stopped watching The Ranch when that news broke

[@queenc_x]

Hyde and Jackie's storyline rocked my world. I'm heartbroken that's all been shattered in the final season and with the revival. They ignored all of Jackie's character growth. The trial and Ashton and Mila's so called "apology" has ruined my childhood. It's sad to see these clips knowing that Danny was abusing his popularity and bullying Topher Grace on set.

[@macethorns1168]

Absolute fucking rubbish. Three ex girlfriends made accusations against him, had no physical evidence, and there was a previous mistrial. It's almost like it was *ALL* complete bullshit.

[@dailymdesdemona]

My dad grew up in a small town in Wisconsin during the 70s, and he always talks about how extremely accurate this show is. I've only seen a couple reruns here and there, but I need to watch it all the way through at some point.

[@Trowa71]

Retrospectives are one of my favourite video essay formats, and this is a top tier example. The structure is perfect, narration soothing, and above all it makes me want to revisit this show. Thank you, keep it up!

[@adrivoid5376]

I really loved this show growing up, it was on Nick at Night when I was a child in the 2000s. I def think fans agree there was a lot of unrealized potential in the later seasons- and many act as if season 8 never happened at all (especially as Hyde was a fan favorite and Hyde/Jackie was a main ship ppl enjoyed the progress of). I do wish deeply Fez has more an actual character instead of a stereotype post s1- and Donna actually got to get her own scholarships and move on and out

[@austins.2495]

My favorite moment is when Jackie and Kelso are dancing at the prom, and suddenly everyone around them disappears and it’s just them embracing under the spotlight. That scene has always stuck with me, and brings a tear to my eye.

[@MrCassius235]

Just discovered this channel. The amount of hours to put these retrospectives together just for our enjoyment... Salute to you brotha

[@BhbtheRock]

I always get jazzed when a retrospective drops, but two in a row on shows I've watched? I'm elated. Keep it up, homie

[@chteretreeart]

I love watching retrospectives on shows I’ve never seen (but probably should)

[@Sqwivig]

Definitely give this one a try! It's hilarious and the characters are very memorable

[@OMGYasuke]

Didn't expect José to review my favorite TV sitcom ever today 🔥.

[@moonlapsevertigo2432]

When I was like 13 I watched the show on Netflix a lot, and I guess back then it never really dawned on me how that show really went down hill in its later seasons.

[@victoriaodegaard1]

The show is fueled by the good writing... and when the original creators of the show left, the love and care for the characters and their nuances left too. I read that the new writers only watched the first season of the show in preparation for writing it. No wonder it seems like so many of the characters were revisiting hyper-stereotyped and simplified versions of their original established personalities.

[@philippeh3904]

Another tv retrospective on a cold Sunday morning? Don’t mind if I do. Still praying for a How I met your mother or Friends retrospective in the future 🙏🏾

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Where are you at? It's evening here in Eastern Canada.

[@lauramarschmallow2922]

just stroke midnight here in Germany ✋

[@pooperprime5459]

Wild stuff lol It’s 3pm in the American northwest here

[@philippeh3904]

@@mytruecrimelibrary Australia

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

@@philippeh3904 ah nice love Aussies ❤️ have a great day

[@AFishNamedBob]

You forgot to add Ashton's biggest role as "Kevin" on The Office.

[@snoozyq9576]

It always cracks me up how I always thought they were just hanging out when I was younger. The shock when I realized they were stoned 🤣

[@karelfinn2343]

Oh man, this show. I was a big fan of it for a while, because when it was good it was really good - the writing was clever, the characters were easy to relate to, and the actors absolutely killed their parts. But it really went downhill at some point. The characters got flat, plot points got repeated multiple times, and the jokes about casual racism and sexism felt less and less intentional until they just started to be casually racist and sexist. So I really don't know how I feel about the show overall. I don't think I'd ever watch the show from beginning to end, but I'd probably still recommend the first few seasons to people who haven't seen it.

[@kerianhalcon3557]

I never understood why they started the show in 76 and went through so quickly. They should really have started the show earlier in 73 or 74 at the latest.

[@t4ngy]

I wish the finale was different also, because they spent so much time developing Hyde and Jackie's relationship for them not to end up together???? Like, they actually grew so much with each other and then Jackie "realized" she should be with Fez. I feel like Jackie wanted the romance and the wife life, while Hyde needed the stability and grew as a man being with her, and then they broke up. At the same time, Donna wanted so much a free life, see the world, study, and she left everything for Eric, who clearly didn't want the same things as her and hurt her multiple times, and they actually ended up together???? Makes no sense at all to me.

[@boxcarhobo7017]

This show is so stacked with all-stars, it's like first ballot Hall of famers in broadcast television. They are their own greatest hits compilation of natural charisma and star power. Not a weak link in the bunch. It's a fantasy league of an instantly Iconic ensemble cast. For a period piece whose actual era of production is now its own historical memory box of nostalgia and pop cultural marker of a time and place before the turn of our current century into modern times. It is a poetic and beautiful bitter sweet irony that a show caught between two eras while about to enter a new one has a timeless quality to it. It'll always be a firmly planted time capsule in our hearts. 🤙

[@xp8969]

Even as kids in the 90's we were all well aware of the difference between a tape player and an 8 track since we all grew up with cassette tapes, CD's were still a new thing in the 90's and most of us listened to most of our music on tape for most of our lives so it wasn't hard to relate to the reference, asking for a tape deck rather than an 8 track player was the equivalent of asking for a CD player over a tape deck for us

[@MCKevin289]

I’m 25 and yeah I just took it as he got a CD player instead of an iPod/mp3 player/smartphone. I remember cassette tapes and I’m a 2000’s kid.

[@__Andrew]

Yeah, you got to figure too so many of us had parents that lived through the 70's so of course all their old stuff was around the house as well. Electronics, board games, toys, movies, tv shows, even plates or decorations. A lot of the toys Eric had i had as well because older relatives either handed them down or we bought them second hand at some yard sale or another.

[@lexkanyima2195]

@@__Andrew but items of the old days is important to identify

[@unstoppableExodia]

Yeah i was born in the early eighties and though i vaguely knew what an 8 track player was i knew it was a more out dated format than cassettes and could therefore relate to Eric’s attempt to make clear what he wanted for his birthday and why

[@amandaredd3057]

yes!

[@alejandroolvera4918]

Here after the reboot came out and although Kelso and Jackie have a small role in That ‘90s Show, you can tell just how iconic Kunis and Kutcher are coming back to their former up and coming roles on 70s🤩

[@LauraSomeNumber]

I see we are just skipping over Wilmer Valdarrama's "dating history"

[@ddjsoyenby]

yeah that was an odd choice.

[@devonmunn5728]

Jose maybe couldn't have known about it beforehand. Ashton Kutcher cheating on Demi Moore was also not mentioned

[@at0micl0bster]

Then he goes on to whine about Danny Masterson :^)

[@briantidwell651]

THANK YOU for actually knowing what a "retrospective" is 🙏🙏🙏 SO many young KZbinrs these days, confuse run-throughs with retrospectives... they just run-through an entire series by episode or season (OR run-through the story and all the missions in a video game).

[@Emily_J]

I only ever watched a few episodes here and there when it was on, I really enjoyed this. Your insights into the show itself and stuff around it and care you give to difficult topics is really nice to hear.

[@hondsdollekat]

I never binged this show but saw episodes sporadically whenever it was on. It's still so nostalgic.

[@yyyyyyyyyyyyy2340]

when he’s taking about portraying a universal experience rather than an era around 12:50. that explains so much of my beef with stranger things

[@khyteondemand]

I adore that 70s show. This retrospective coming out on my birthday was an unexpected present ;D I watch the series through a couple times a year, and at this point I've completely separated Hyde and Danny Masterson in my head. That man has done horrible awful things and there are episodes that heavily feature him that I simply cannot watch anymore, but I refuse to let him ruin a show that I've loved for more than two decades.

[@CielBlanche]

Death of the author. Hyde is a creation of some wonderful writers, the tool they used to put that character on screen happens to be, well, a tool. But Hyde will always be great.

[@Sqwivig]

I'm so goddamn happy you made a That 70's Show retrospective!! It's my favorite sitcom of all time, and I don't really like much live action media, but this show captured me. It was a big part of my development in middle school. I bonded with one of my awesome special ed teachers over our love of the show. She gave me her personal box set of season 3 to me as a gift, and I'm lucky my parents approved of me receiving the gift and allowed me to watch the show. Season 3 will always be the most memorable to me, and I'm glad the episode "Eric's Panties" was highlighted in the video. One of the best jokes in the series right there! My favorite character was always Hyde because he is very similar to a friend I had growing up, and I still see him now and again. He even looks like him but with different hair lol It's unfortunate what he turned out to be in real life, but I can still watch the show with a smile regardless. I also always really loved Donna and Eric's relationship, and how they grew and evolved as the series went on. I also love Jackie and Hyde together, they should have stayed together like the original writers intended. I and many other fans don't really like to count the last season as canon because it just doesn't feel right aside from the very last episode. Although the show started to become less enjoyable towards its end, I think the ending was pretty good aside from Jackie ending up with Fez. I'm glad it ended when it did instead of beating a dead horse.

[@NinaFelwitch]

Your retrospective always make me sad. I grew up with theses shows and growing up, I related a lot to the characters. And when the show ended, it felt like something was ripped out of me, never to be seen again. Watching your videos makes me relive those exact feelings. Relating to the characters, wishing I was there with them and then it just ends, good bye. Things end. Relationships. TV shows. Life. Time passes and we can't stop it, matter how hard we try.

[@DarkWorlds]

I've never seen it this high quality. This is alien to me

[@DarkWorlds]

nvm turned it to 240p hell yea

[@icarusandtherabbit]

Honestly, whatever happens with Danny Masterson I’ll still enjoy the show. Thank you for this retrospective. It’s kept things interesting while I’m wide awake at 2am

[@sporer_]

these sitcom retrospectives are SOOO good!!!

[@ddjsoyenby]

agreed, i love these.

[@joeybaseball7352]

It's crazy how Carsey Werner was responsible for some of the biggest hit sitcoms of all time. Yet, all of them have been tainted by one it's lead actors.

[@eddiehauckreads4731]

the convo between red and eric after donna and eric’s breakup will always be my favorite moment in the whole series. doesn’t get ended with a cheesy one liner, just an effective conversation between father and son

[@skyleafgreen7997]

What wonderful nostalgia. I was Mila Kunis' age when this show first aired. Seinfeld just ended and I wasn't into the lovey dovey atmosphere of Friends. These kids were brutal to each other, joke about each others' parents, laugh about each others' misfortunes,... and stayed friends. It was my kind of show. I still love it as ever today.

[@BethCampbell-b9c]

I was a teenager as well during the years they portrayed in the show. It was beyond spot on!!

[@capybararancher8638]

The end of the video about Danny Masterson was the same feeling i got for your scrubs retrospective when you were discussing the constant sexualization and male fantasy cutaways of the women in the show and the later accusations of sexual assault of producer Eric Weinberg, it just taints the show and makes it impossible to separate the onscreen work from what mustve gone down behind the scenes.

[@ChibiFighter]

The studio audience reaction to Buddy's kiss, wow.

[@PeterGriffin11]

@kshamwhizzle The audience sounded shocked to me more than anything else.

[@studiostyx7075]

Shows from the 90s and early aughts were godawful homophobic. Being gay was a commonly used insult and joke and if you were lucky if you got a token gay character who would still be used as a punchline throughout the series. Even Will & Grace leaned into those tropes. The whole Buddy episode is hard to watch.

[@omensoffate]

Buddy was pretty gay tho

[@m1herrmann160]

This is an ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE job of breaking down the show. I tend to never watch things of this nature BUT with this particular one I enjoyed. To reiterate fantastic job man!

[@tenkenroo]

This show was so great. Eric was hugely relatable and red and kitty were the perfect tv parents. I loved how they did social commentary but how teenagers would understand. Also what makes kitty and red so great is that they are really wholesome. Usually in the 90s tv parents were usually portrayed as not being attracted to each other or dysfunctional but they work together. It’s kind of great

[@scottlafleur4148]

Joel. I worked for a Fox affiliate when they released this show. I was creating a promo reel for the new up coming shows and got promo reels for this show and many others. In the promo reel the name of this show was "Feelin' All Right". I'm not sure how well known this is. I noticed you didn't mention this. I'm 99% sure of this. I remember it because watching the promo I thought this show will never make it. I was wrong.

[@chickenwuss]

he mentions it around 7:27?

[@scottlafleur4148]

@@chickenwuss thanks. I missed it.👍

[@Dad......]

The way the show handled Buddy reminds me of the way Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts handled Kipo's interest in her friend Benson, who turns her down because he's not interested in girls. Tactful, yet respectful.

[@jaredfortin6810]

I was always curious why I thought this show was so relatable even though I was born in the early 2000s and am Canadian, but once you said small town with nothing to do but hangout with eachother it all made sense

[@michaelrawson6261]

Back in the,70s, we lived in a really nice cul-de-sac in Hereford, England. She wasn't right next door, but Samantha, with whom I was in love was only 3 doors down the street. We saw each other every day for nearly 5 years. Then her dad got a big promotion and their family moved to a huge house out in the countryside, and Sam changed schools too so we went, overnight, from every day, to nothing at all. I was gutted, heartbroken.

[@user-xc7uo6md3n]

Unrelated but have you watched are you being served?

[@raecheldeaton]

You should do one on Degrassi and Degrassi: The Next Generation, eventually.

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

He’s American, and Americans are only aware of one Degrassi character: Wheelchair Jimmy.

[@lpchambers3681]

@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 um Degrassi is well known here but okay…

[@lpchambers3681]

That would be awesome!!

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

@@lpchambers3681 I thought people only knew it for Aubrey. It strikes me as a very Canadian thing.

[@LittleVMKGirl2]

@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Here in America, Degrassi used to play on a channel called The N (now known as TeenNick) and that’s how I discovered the show lol

[@taylorwilliams4847]

Wilmer Valderrama is lucky that all the heat is on Danny right now

[@omensoffate]

Why. Accusations mean nothing.

[@taylorwilliams4847]

@@omensoffate there’s no accusations. Him dating minors is pretty much a fact

[@DouaisienLOSC]

This is one of my favorite shows. Thank you immensely for this.