Hank Marvin discusses his faith

[@Housephonestimes4]

Thank you brother Hank Marvin! I am 51 years old and i got baptized on February 1999 at Northenden Assembly Hall, South Manchester, United Kingdom! I ENJOYED LISTENING TO "LONDONS NOT TOO FAR" SINCE SUMMER 1975! Its got a very Autumnal touch!

[@HenriettaMRiley]

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[@HarryWebb46]

I always admired Hank. I got a lot of stick in secondary school for liking the Shadows in the 70's. I never knew about his spiritual preference. Respect!

[@jackgrant9301]

Peoples attitudes towards what is cool is such a load of crap and such a waste of time. Im in my 30s now and i can finally admit i like disco, uk garage and a lot of very different stuff. I even like tom jones, and thats viewed as cringy. I dont give a crap what people think of me. I have a joke with my dad that "i act highbrow, but i think lowbrow".

[@moogdome2562]

What a lovely humble Brother. Lovely interview.

[@birrysund3269]

Thank you brother Hank Marvin for this wonderful witness ....

[@simonrankin9177]

I agree

[@HenriettaMRiley]

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[@AlfAllton]

What a marvellous Witness you were able to Give Brother Hank, a chance to get the Good news nation wide. Just think of all the hearts and minds that you were able to touch through doing this. May Jehovah Bless your continued efforts in the Kingdom preaching work.

[@The170460]

this guy is a genius on guitar but a poor man, with nothing to say.

[@blackmore4]

He also disowned his son. Evil.

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

@@blackmore4 Vous avez dû mal lire le journal : son fils est décédé car il a refusé l'aide que sa famille lui offrait. Trop facile de critiquer en croyant les bobards des autres....

[@blackmore4]

@@alainquinzelaire1253 I just looked into it and it turns out you're right. I should've checked _before_ opening my mouth. (Je viens de regarder et il s'avère que tu as raison. J'aurais dû vérifier avant d'ouvrir la bouche.)

[@barbaralucas1220]

What a lovely interview . What a fantastic witness you gave brother Marvin 😊

[@trixiecoopernathan416]

Honestly brother Marvin so great to hear your music and you'd witness on you tube.

[@HenriettaMRiley]

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[@luciaterrizzi1881]

Hello Brother Hank. I am happy to know you are one of Jehovahs Witnesses as I am. Wonderful music you play and I live the APACHE song the best. Thankyou for the beautiful music you play and thank Jehovah for giving you the talents you have!

[@nathonhamilton4524]

Hank is deffinately one of my heroes.... i personally find it hard to believe in a god.

[@myjames48]

A JW of all things. Which Bible did he read? JW's are a religion. True Christianity is a relationship with Jesus. Hank is my Hero. JW's are not. Jesus is Lord.

[@dancergirl191d]

You gave a great witness Brother Hank!

[@user-db5mv4ef3s]

I have for many years thought Hank may be a brother and if he wasn’t should be because he always came across as a humble man. I loved that about him. And I always loved the music of Hank Marvin and the Shadows.

[@IsaacAsimov1992]

Hank has a rich and resonant baritone voice.

[@user-db5mv4ef3s]

Yes by all means my brother, well done Hank. Love you all. Jim and Pat

[@MrWilydw]

Hank is a musician,and a nice man who suffer s like everyone.but is assured of seeing his loved ones in the resurrection.amen.

[@blackmore4]

What happens to the rest of us? I'm guessing something pretty grim which categorically disqualifies Marvin, on account of his complicity, as being a "nice man".

[@paulrawes]

Jehovas wittnesses do not believe in the afterlife, only hell!

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

@@paulrawes Vous mentez. L'enfer est une invention des églises pour retenir leurs ouailles, la Bible n'en parle pas, renseignez-vous.

[@brucegibbins3792]

@@paulrawes that's not good. So what is their reward for not acting like dicks? Hell if you're bad and everlasting life on Earth if your good. I've yet to see any of these everlasting people so I guess they must be in Hell. I'll bet the social life is better down there though.

[@marycassar8978]

well said brother Hank Marvin ........'' As a true christian we know that there's going to be oppositions and criticisms'' Jesus himself experience opposition and was critisized for preaching the good news of the kingdom so did his followers and thats why Jesus himself left us this message'' in the book the bible'' for those who honestly want to follow his footsteps. Jesus said they persecuted ME and they will persecute you .... Jesus also spoke about the narrow and the wide road it goes on to say many are going through the wide and spacious road BUT only few are going through the narrow one. ''Jehovah is God's Holy Name '' In the original bible God 's Holy Name Jehovah was written 7000 times those who are aware of God's purpose, are the once that are going to benefit . So in saying all of this , Instead of the criticisms why not check the facts for yourself, regardless of what others say this is your life after all.Study the Lords Prayer Carefully Jesus said to santify His Father's Name Jehovah

[@HenriettaMRiley]

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[@paulinerelph]

The sad thing is, JW'S don't study the real bible, only their own corrupted version, if at all. What they study are the words of men in their Watchtower, who's prophecies have historically failed again and again and again; obviously not therefore from the Holy Spirit who cannot lie. Study God's Word, not men's. Read 1 John 4 2. and Psalm 146. In fact, have you ever read the whole of God's Word, bible, prayerfully, right through, without interference from mortal men? 🙏

[@peteyo]

Well done brother Hank

[@ThomasDeLello]

I think that McCartney's "Here, There and Everywhere" is one of Paul's finest... I don't blame him for reneging on it... although it's easy to understand your disappointment and misgivings if you have that. He must have thought of it as a throw-away song like "I Wanna Be Your Man". Nevertheless, that song does seem to suit the Shadows sound perfectly.

[@franckydam5094]

The biblical truth (Jehovah) invites people to drink in a glass cleaner and many people prefer to drink in a glass dirty and contaminated. Hank continues so, that Jehovah bless you.

[@cjproductionsjw9021]

Give yourself the chance to get the answer and speak to Jehovahs Witnesses. They will tell you why God isn't intervening in man's affairs. Remember, we all have free will. We choose our own paths. If God stepped in at every point of our lives, we would then say he's a dictator. Speak to the witnesses, and they will direct to the correct information 😊

[@susanroycroft89]

Very nice, 😊😊😊

[@joaomacedo8377]

Congratulations Hank because I,am Jehovah,s Witness in portugal I kwow the true 1968 and hear your Guitar 66 Deutoronómio 31 :6 ª8 for you de Portugal J. Macedo sintra

[@AnnaleishaMae]

Cool music!

[@markfahey3921]

I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but I will tell you that they most certainly are Christian. It is a shame that many so called Christians can not grant people of another branch of Christianity the common respect they deserve. I find that many so called Christians, usually of the evangelical style, argue that because some one does not believe in God the same way they do that they are not Christians. OF course they are, the Witnesses believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world like the rest of you. As I said, I am not a Witness and I have no intention of becoming one because I am of another branch of Christianity myself. However, I have friends who are witnesses, and we have more in common than we do not in that we all want to spread the word of Jesus Christ, we all want the world to be a better place and there is much in our differing organisations that we do share in belief. Of course there are differences we can not reconcile, and that's why we have hundreds of different churches. But consider this. They are out doing their work (as do other faiths) going door to door, doing their best to keep the commandment of Jesus when He said "go ye into the world and teach every creature". What I am really sad about here with some of the comments is that there is more of an attitude of "he's not a Christian so he's going to hell" rather than "what a great guy, doing his best to live his faith", and wanting to reclaim him through Christlike love. So tell me, who is the better example? I have met the type of people who are making some of the comments here before. They proclaim to be Christians but seem more interested in damning the man to hell than sharing the Love of God and Christ with him. As for his son, some people just have a self destruct button and they are determined to press it, and no matter how much their parents love and want to help them, they just will not accept it and blame every one else but themselves for their trouble. How do any of you who posted negative comments know what Hank did or did not try to do Privately? Judge not that ye be not judged. Sure, Hank and me will never agree on some doctrines, but what does that matter? let us each respect others beliefs even if you can't agree with them.

[@raymondgriffin9067]

Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in the Trinity. They also assert that Jesus Christ is the angel Michael. This is a cult, since they are not following the Bible. If you read 1 John 5:7 in the KJV, it will give the Trinitarian Nature of God, but their Bibles are rewritten.

[@virgilbabb74]

@Raymond Griffin....New World Translation1Jo 5:7For there are three witness bearers: Kingdom Interlinear1Jo 5:7ὅτιBecause τρεῖςthree εἰσὶνare οἱthe (ones) μαρτυροῦντες,bearing witness, King James Version1Jo 5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ....... take note of the Kingdom interlinear version (which is Transliterated. tell me again who rewrote their Bible?

[@jennyblack7485]

Try being one of Jehovah's Witnesses and then leaving. I promise that you will completely change your opinion when you suffer the abuse they hand out.

[@Andy-yo3hd]

A balanced reply. Well said sir.

[@Andy-yo3hd]

If you sought to understand the Bible more clearly you might come to respect it more than Google.

[@joegongora2200]

Brother Hank you gave a good witness. Couldn't have been said it any better. Any encyclopedia will say that Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian Religion.

[@janicemorton7581]

Jesus would say they are Pharisaical and a false prophet

[@HenriettaMRiley]

lol a wordly book states they are a christian. Shame the bible doesnt.

[@oleggorky906]

No, they are not. They deny the deity of Christ (Oh God, I can feel it coming on again, an avalanche of scripture twisting and nonsense analogies ...)

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

@@HenriettaMRiley Relisez - la de plus près, Matthieu 24: 14 seul les Témoins de Jéhovah prêchent le Royaume de Dieu comme peuple pour son Nom ! Actes 15 : 17 etc....

[@HenriettaMRiley]

@@alainquinzelaire1253 ALL you do all day is stand beside a cart and look on your phones with no one approaching you....just look on youtube to see what a joke your 'preaching is'.

[@M9JayJayy]

Great Brother and Family man (JW.org)

[@paulinerelph]

Best guitarist ever. I saw Hank at a JW convention in the mid 70's. (Either Wembley or Twickenham.) I pray that all JW'S dare to search for the real truth. Firstly, the original tetragrammaton of Our Father's name is certainly in the original Hebrew texts, however, there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet, so the closest we can get to God's name is Yahweh. God's chosen people, the Jews, (Jesus ancestors,) believed God's true name to be too holy to even be spoken. Jesus Himself clearly said to call God Our Father and that His name is holy. Matthew 6 9-13 but sadly, JW'S never use Jesus' prayer. 'Jehovah' only appears thousands of times in the Watchtower's own bible, translated to fit their own doctrines. Compare especially the NT. True Christians are God's children freely through grace and faith, not just His 'friend' when working for Watchtower or donating. 1 John 3. Galatians 3 26. 🙏

[@msbelinda1000]

I left JW 4 years ago after 13 years. As with most cults the departure was a very difficult decision. Ive loved the Shads since the early 60s. What a talented bunch.

[@brucegibbins3792]

You would find it a hard road to push that belief in the United States where the subject of your assertion is most likely to be unknown there.

[@irenejohnston6802]

There wasn't a J in the Son of God's name either, our Ransomer Iesou Christou (Gk). The English translation is well attested. The latin letter I was in ancient documents historically rather than letter J. When superstition forbids the pronunciation of the Creator's N. Confusion follows. Isaiah 42:8. The tetragrammaton originally not LORD.

[@bryjonez]

Great job bro

[@AnnaleishaMae]

This is cool.

[@lindadobson9854]

Well done brother Williams!!

[@alanthurley6061]

I think that Hank Marvin is one of the most prolific guitarist going. I do think that Jehovah Wittneses are somewhat misguided in their beliefs, I've recently walked away from any Christian faith if its great why isn't God sorting things out on this planet mans inhumanity to others. Alan.

[@paulinerelph]

The planet is the way it is because its people are increasingly disobeying Jesus two commandments; to love God with all your heart and your neighbour as much as yourself. Imagine if the whole earth were obeying these and all of Gods law that hangs on them. Matthew 22 34-40. Unfortunately JWs think their neighbour is only the organisation. They need to read the Good Samaritan. Luke 10 29-37. They need to listen to Jesus instead of idolising the men of the governing body. Psalm 146. Faith is our channel to God, not a bunch of self-appointed business men in tailored suits and Rolex watches.

[@brucegibbins3792]

Sure, but what motivated Hank to look into; "God's work"? Was Hanks seeking information infuenced by Brian Locking an already committed Christian? For years, JW members came a calling as part of their obligations to their religion. Now though its been years since any of them showed up at our house and seem also to be absent from our streets as do the Mormons. I guess these religions have done a calculation-a return from effort calculation. I heard on an interview with Hank that during the times when he was canversing for the JW's, going from door to door, the folks that did invite him into their homes did so talk about Hanks carreer in music and how important that was to them. This was a barrier to their conversion, so Hank was given dispensation by the Church Elders that allowed him to stay off suburban streets and return to where he most belongs: at home with his family and playing small venues now playing in the style of Gypsy guitar player, Django Reinhardt playing the music from the, Hot Club de Paris.

[@Ray-xh6gb]

Does he go door knocking

[@suedavies7327]

He does

[@kennethmorrison7689]

But not in the slums!​@@suedavies7327

[@D800Lover]

Wow! Some really small-minded people here.

[@lancegoodall5911]

No....sad to hear. Salvation is not in a name. Except a man be born again, ( not make mental ascent to the truth ) he cannot SEE the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot ENTER into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the FLESH is FLESH; and that which is born of the SPIRIT is SPIRIT. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it does, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell whence it comes from, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. - John 3:3-8

[@jennyblack7485]

Hank Marvin says nothing about the death of his son (homeless and destitute) in 1997. He was shunned by his family which, in jehovah’s witness terms means complete rejection, because he no longer followed his father’s religion. This is very common amongst jehovah’s witnesses often with the same tragic results.

[@RevolverAnthology]

you don't know why he was shunned, I have family members that have gone crazy and needed to be shunned. Don't judge unless you know all the facts

[@ianhughes9928]

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[@alancrabb]

"because he no longer followed his father’s religion" That would not be a reason for shunning. Disingenuous.

[@chrisbarlow2131]

@@alancrabb Well said Alan. There are apostates on this Hank Marvin forum who's favourite fruit it would appear are bitter lemons. Beware brother.

[@IsaacAsimov1992]

I've been shunned by some family members and friends. And I fully deserved it. I'm now trying to atone as best I can.

[@mixiepaddy]

Whats more interesting is what this clip does not say...He makes no reference to the thousands who have died because of refusing a blood transfusion. There is no reference to the many false prophecies/dates that the Watchtower has given for the end of the World. Nothing about the cruel practice of shunning those who leave the Watchtower Religion. And how the Watchtower has covered up the shocking child abuse that goes on among Jehovahs Witnesses. A sugar coated interview.

[@judicator3441]

mixiepaddy firstly you can use saline instead of blood. it works just as well. and secondly witnesses don't cover anything up.. it rarely happens

[@johnsanta8875]

So right there is no,place for these creeps.

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

mixiepaddy Les T.J ont gagnés 50 procès devant la Cour Suprême des États-Unis et plus de 50 devant la CEDH - Cour européenne des Droits de l'homme. Si c'étaient les gens dont vous parlez, personne ne les auraient défendu. Ne faites pas, sans réfléchir un peu, de cas particulier à vérifier avec soin, des généralités s'il vous plaît ?

[@The170460]

a nice Hank Marvin who had let his oldest son died alone in England. Police launched an investigation after the eldest son of the guitar legend Hank Marvin was found dead in his bed at a homeless hostel at the age of 34. Dean Marvin, who had been estranged from his father for more than a decade after publicly challenging his "Mr Nice Guy" image, had lived in the YMCA hostel in Crouch End, north London, for the past five years.

[@solargesture]

Wow thanks for letting us know

[@chrisbarlow2131]

@@solargestureLetting us know what exactly?

[@chrisbarlow2131]

You should work for The Sun newspaper.

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

Bachi bouzouk Vous étiez chargé de l'enquête ? Alors arrêtez de répandre des calomnies ; ça pourrait vous valoir un procès en diffamation. Même et particulièrement sur Internet.

[@philipoconnor4263]

What utter bull shit!

[@harveythompson1756]

A bloody JW !--doesnt get much worse than that !

[@TroySan1985]

Jesus is God...Even the demon's know this and shudder

[@rolandosustaita8185]

first of all the bible does not give a specific date you all should be smart about that and not ignorant. and the bible strictly prohibits the use of blood and you all don't think about the millions that die yearly of blood transfusions, and every religion has there own problems who is perfect but of course you all point at the Jehovah witnesses for doing mistakes for no apparent reason.

[@wlodell]

Jehovah Witness?

[@JasonJacksonJames]

yes

[@Itsreallyme571]

#cult

[@Ray-xh6gb]

Jw don't vote have Christmas birthdays hankdo these things as a jw

[@JasonJacksonJames]

no he doesn't

[@Ray-xh6gb]

Jaws don't vote does hank

[@suedavies7327]

No he would not

[@jamesthelesser9345]

Our Lord sent His Apostles into the world to horrible deaths. When did our Lord's church become corrupt? It didn't. The Truth remains in the catholic faith alone.

[@Ray-xh6gb]

Jw don't votedoes hank

[@delati07]

How about Emanuel" God with us", unedited transcripts don't always fit into man made religions, so truth is ignored and so is our Creators love for us.

[@user-tc2ky6fg2o]

Hopefully his head cleans up after some echoing, reverbing and bending the voices of the Scriptures and stops following false voices. The Bible is a good Tuner.

[@classixdrummer]

lito - I have to wonder how your ministry compares to his. I know his faith is not dead as proved by it’s works, Jas 2: 14 - 18.

[@chrisstrobel3439]

classixdrummer It doesn't matter how many works you do or how strong ones ministry is as a JW, JW is a man made cult .. not orthodox Christianity. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was created by Jehovah as the archangel Michael before the physical world existed, and is a lesser, though mighty, god.Biblically, however, Jesus is eternally God (John 1:1; 8:58; cf. Ex. 3:14) and has the exact same divine nature as the Father (John 5:18; 10:30; Heb. 1:3). Indeed, a comparison of the OT and NT equates Jesus with Jehovah (compare Isa. 43:11 with Titus 2:13; Isa. 44:24 with Col. 1:16; Isa. 6:1-5 with John 12:41). Jesus himself created the angels (Col. 1:16; cf. John 1:3; Heb. 1:2, 10) and is worshiped by them (Heb. 1:6). I pray the true Holy Spirit yanks Hank out of this cult and saves him through the biblical Christ.

[@classixdrummer]

Chris Strobel - Keep twisting the scriptures my friend. Maybe you will actually convince someone.

[@chrisstrobel3439]

classixdrummer So I take it you've done careful exegesis with sound hermaneutics from the original biblical manuscripts to come to the conclusion that 1900 years of historical biblical Christianity and it scholars were wrong, and Charles Taze Russell was right?

[@classixdrummer]

Chris Strobel - No I haven’t, but I do accept the statement that my Lord Jesus made to his Father, Jehovah, in prayer namely; “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children.” Matt 11: 25

[@dominiccolgan1626]

Hank as a guitarist I loved from the early days.I only wish he hadn't chosen that false belief to follow.His reasons in the interview are frankly shallow and illogical and his lack of humanity never mind Christian charity for his abandoned son is despicable.

[@rocketpost1]

I totally agree with you Dominic. I like the voice of reason and I believe that people who have faith often choose faith over humanity. If Hank knocks at my back door, he'll be told where to go in no uncertain terms. His treatment of his son is indeed despicable and all in the name of this crackpot religion. I'm very unforgiving and will never listen to his music again. Hank who ?.

[@apexmike849]

Dominic Colgan During my searches for musical info, I landed here. I have, not a keen interest in Hank's beliefs, but I wanted to know why someone so obviously smart ended up believing a load of stuff that is evidently false. I am atheist, agnostic, whatever you want to call it - I have no time for the notion of a god. But clearly, a lot of people do, so I tend to take a pinch of Voltaire's stance, in that as long as innocent people are not hurt (which is why I tend to have vitriolic things to say about most believers) I wouldn't demand that anyone not believe, so why would it be O.K. for anyone to demand that others believe? That question was rhetorical BTW - this would descend into that really dumb "I'm right! No you're not, I am!" type situation very quickly; this is KZbin - no time for that either. So I agree with Dominic, with the caveat that whatever faith Hank wanted to follow, he should be free to do that. What I do not agree with Dominic on, is the part about the abandonment of his son. They clearly had differences - it happens a lot in families and those outside have no place making comments about what they believe has gone on inside - that's as bad as believing in a god without any factual evidence. We obtain what we know from the media, which is notoriously inaccurate, unless we are directly privy to genuine inside information. So I will continue to listen to the work of this talented and experienced musician - I'll even learn some of his tracks. What he does professionally and what he does privately have not in fact been proven to have fallen foul of either the law, or any widely accepted moral code, as a far as I am aware. Just sayin' P.S. just wanted to say that the posts of Jenny Black and mixiepaddy certainly resonate with me, but that nobody is either all evil, or all good.

[@dominiccolgan1626]

I still admire his guitar playing but as an artist he seems to be just doing instrumental covers of other peoples tunes.His last CD didn't really sell.I didn't see it anywhere at all despite him coming from Australia to promote it.I regularly get Jehova's Witness's at my door with their "propaganda". Depending on what mood I am in I either send them away with a " flea" in their ear or show them the error of their ways.Talking to people who are clearly brainwashed is pretty much a waste of time.Before the advent of science there might be some excuse for this but not now.I think it is possible to convince some people of anything as can be seen from the mad cults around today some highly dangerous to us all like ISIS.Christianity can not feel superior as its followers have behaved like ISIS from its deal with the Roman Empire to only a few centuries ago.What bugs me is some of the people who knock my door are young people with all the knowledge available today but like the young people who go off to Syria and Iraq swallow this irrational nonsense. There is no hope for Hank probably because he had too much money too early but maybe the deluded young ones may see sense with age!

[@jacktorrance2138]

+Dominic Colgan Jehovahs witnesses are certainly not Christian

[@beninua]

Well "a few centuries ago" is actually the time and age of the beginning of enlightenment. Many of these horrible practices from christianity were slowly wiped away from the general practitioners way of watching the world, and many have actually been able to combine their Christian faith with a trust in science and logic. That's called "evolving", and from that standpoint Christianity can certainly feel "superior", as it was everybodys right to develop with the society around them, christians and muslims alike, but the latter chose for a large part to stay much more conservative and keep a very dogmatic and orthodox view on life, science, women, etc. while they could just as well have chosen the "evolving" path where they moderate certain standpoints as scientific discoveries are made and democratic ideologies enter the world stage, they chose not to. Not all of them - of course - but there are a much more visible group of muslims today that adhere to a very old and antiquated outlook on life, whereas only a very tiny minority of obscure christian groups do the same. The numbers speak for themselves. I belive I am not exaggerating any formal numbers when I claim, that of course it's only a minority of muslims that are extremists and who would resort to terrorism to get their message through, but on the other hand it would probably be fair to estimate that about 95% or more of all terrorists that they belong to the muslim faith. That is quite an alarming statistic. So viewed from an anthropoligical standpoint, one is inherently better when you see how one has been capable of modifying their belief and practices to a standard that is compatible with the standards that govern human interaction in modern, enlightened, industrialised parts of the world, whereas the other simply couldn't find that kind of openminded, flexible and moderate outlook on life in their belief which eventually put their adherants on a collision course with the natural development in society. The christian belief system apparently made it possible for millions to keep their faith intact, and uncompromised even though they educated themselves as scientists, mathematicians, physicists, biologists, etc. The christian belief system apparently makes it possible to stay a devoted christian and at the same time acknowledge the facts found by a steadily evolving scientific society. That proves to outside onlookers that the Christian faith leaves a larger room for interpretation and abstraction for the believers than for instance islam. That skill of being able to transcend the layers of religion and contemporary knowledge and come to some form of modern belief that doesen't create conflict in the minds of the christian believers even though they also accept modern science, shows a degree of maturity in that belief system that apparently doesn't exist to the same degree in islam, since the percentage of muslims that accept that their belief system is fully compatible with modern societys way of thinking, education, outlook on life, sexuality, moral, etc. is a lot smaller than the comparable group among those who subscribe to some kind of Christian denomination. The same can be said about the fact that christianity have been able to branch into so many different denominations and still survive to this day - that also shows a certain kind of maturity, this ability to coexist with other christian denominations. Some may claim that this hasn't always been the case - particularly between catholics and protestants - but fact remains, that the development constantly have gone from conflict to peace and practically all christian disputes have been solved in this day and age. Finally I should point out, that I am a 110% atheist, so I don't subscribe to either of these views, so religiously or ideologically seen I believe that they are both equally wrong - but to claim that one cannot be viewed as inherently better (or worse) than the other, is just some plitically correct nonsense. The numbers refute that form of illogical argument. This is strictly seen from an ethnological standpoint. I have no opinion on wether one system of belief is more "true" than the other, as I in fact belive that both are built on ill-founded fables about invisible beings whose existence is to this day non-proven.

[@lex3729]

How can you be a Jehovas Witness and have a facelift?

[@janicemorton7581]

lol

[@brucegibbins3792]

And wear a toupee? A bald Hank just wouldn't work for him.

[@glennmorrison7328]

Guaranteed to cause controversy. The classical composer Weber, was such an extreme anti-Semite that he would only play Piano works of Mendelsonne by wearing gloves! I'm an Atheist and I listen to Weber and I listen regularly to Hank Marvin. Their misguided spiritual beliefs plays no part in their considerable musical talents.

[@danfernandes5607]

Funny, as a former JW I found out how rampant paedophilia was and still is in the community, namely because you can’t accuse someone without a witness to the crime. Then you find out about Cliff Richard and his connections namely with former PM Edward Heath - you only have to listen to former MI5 members talking about his skullduggery. And then you see Hank Marvin now a JW. No such thing as coincidence and this stinks to high heaven. A lot of puns in this text.

[@donaldmacdonald9940]

........One of The Watchtower’s major publications, “Let God Be True” echoes this belief stating the following: “Satan is the originator of the Trinity doctrine” - p. 101." - In short, they have embraced the old Arian heresy, popularized by Arius of Alexandria (in Egypt) in the fourth century A.D., which taught that • Jesus was the 1st creature [a 2nd and created god] -- inferior to Jehovah, the Father. Point: The Jehovah’s Witnesses base their whole system upon this theological myth which was banished from the church, along with Arius, in A.D. 325 - Biblical Christianity believes that . . . • There is only one God. God is one in His substance or essence. When Jesus was asked what was the greatest commandment, He prefaced His answer by quoting the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) - “Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one.” - Even the NWT claims in their translation of 1 Timothy 2:5 that there is only one true God: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men. ....

[@oleggorky906]

One God three people in that Godhead: Jesus to the Jews in John 8: “Before Abraham was I AM.” He goes on to clarify when they press him about him not being 50, referring to the passage in Exodus 3 in John 8: 58: “I AM THAT I AM.” The Jews knew what he meant because they were going to stone him! Thomas to Jesus at the end of John: “My LORD and MY GOD!” No, it wasn’t an reclamation of surprise. It was a statement of belief. Jesus to the disciples: “Who do men say that I am?” After various answers: “Who do you say I am?” Peter: “You are THE CHRIST! THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD!” Note: not a “son” of, but the SON of the LIVING GOD! The New World Twistlation is a pack of lies. Russell lied on oath in court about his ability to translate Greek. Of course, it doesn’t fit in with your narrative and so everyone involved with the case and its publication will be ‘under the devil’s control’, blah blah blah. And perhaps the most shameful episode in Watchtower history was the Beth Sarim scandal, where Rutherfraud and his cronies used money they had fleeced from their congregation to buy mansions for Noah, Abraham and Job In preparation for their ‘soon coming’. When they didn’t turn up Rutherfraud and his friends moved into those mansions for ‘safe keeping’ lol! But then there was his ‘miracle wheat’ fraud and the matter of him defrauding his wife among other things. All in all, his twistlations and organisation lack credibility. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell www.equip.org/articles/beth-sarim/ alt.christnet.narkive.com/9R3eexGM/pastor-russell-s-miracle-wheat-fraud-and-deception-in-watchtower-roots static1.squarespace.com/static/5efcadc4eb92af74ed7a5911/t/5ff78996a0c50c6f439294fd/1610058134812/sl+theocratic+Warfare+doctrine.pdf

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

Donald Macdonald..... Arius appartenait à ces théologiens du Concile de Nicée qui s'entre-déchiraient pour avoir le pouvoir sur la foi des autres, attitude tout à fait contraire aux enseignements pacifiques et d'amour fraternel du Christ. La traduction protestante SEGOND déclare en Marc 12: 29: " Écoute, Israël, le Seigneur, notre Dieu , est l'unique Seigneur ; " (...) le verset 32 dit : " Le scribe lui dit: Bien, maître ; tu as dit avec vérité que Dieu est unique, et qu'il n'y en a point d'autre que lui,.....". Il n'est pas ici parlé de ' substance' ou 'd'essence', termes inventés par des trinitaires mystiques apostats du quatrième siècle, bien après l'enseignement véridique des premiers chrétiens, mais de l'identité et de la personne du Créateur de toute chose, y compris de son fils unique-engendré, le premier-né de toute la création selon Colossiens 1:15 et Apocalypse 3: 14 " L'Amen, le témoin fidèle et véritable, le commencement de la création de Dieu." Dans la loi mosaïque il fallait au moins deux témoins d'une chose ou déclaration, en outre, Dieu n'a ni commencement ni fin, il n'est donc pas question de lui, mais d'un être créé, de nature divine bien évidemment. Les dieux trinitaires existent depuis l'antique Babylone, chez les égyptiens et dans toutes les religions païennes, mais pas dans le vrai christianisme ; cette notion est reconnue par les églises comme non contenue ni sous-entendue dans les Écritures (La Nouvelle ENCYCLOPÉDIE CATHOLIQUE - en anglais :"...... le dogme de la trinité est une invention de la fin du quatrième siècle. Dans un certain sens, c'est exact." 1CORINTHIENS 15: 28 est on ne peut plus clair sur les personnalités de Dieu d'une part et de Christ d'autre part :" Le Fils [glorifié au ciel ] aussi se soumettra lui-même à celui qui lui a soumis toutes choses, afin que Dieu soit tout pour tous." Verset précédent 27 : " Mais lorsqu'il est dit que toutes choses ont été soumises, il est évident que cela n' inclut pas celui qui lui a soumis toutes choses." Tout cela est vérifiable par quiconque le désire. Pas besoin d'ajouter ou retrancher quelque chose des écrits sacrés. Dieu a fait les hommes droits ; mais ils ont cherché beaucoup de détours (Ecclésiaste 7:29 - Louis Segond).

[@JZ-ee1md]

How you can be Christian if you are changing the Bible as you want.

[@mikshank5039]

If you look at the history of the bible, it been translated for centuries. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew. The New Testament in Greek. Most people can't read either languages so it was translated in Latin and again in the King James. Again not everyone can read English so, Jehovah's Witnesses are making it available to as many languages of a person's native tongue as possible to reach their heart. Jer 17:10 Everyone needs to read this wonderful gift that God has given us.

[@chrisbarlow2131]

You mean by changing it they have actually restored God's personal name Jehovah, instead of the nebulous title of God or Lord?.Should they have to apologise for that? Absolutely not! Personally I wouldn't trust any so called Christian org that doesn't even reveal to you that God does indeed have a personal name. If they fail on that fundamentally basic fact, what else have they not told you about Him?

[@HenriettaMRiley]

@@chrisbarlow2131 And I wouldnt trust an 'organisation' that lies to people about the tens of false predictions... The most famous one being the one that they said "the brothers just ran ahead" Nope....IT WAS STATED CLEARLY!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqTbeaqXlK6mnZo

[@brucegibbins3792]

@@mikshank5039 the modern Bible is referred to as the King James translation.

[@HenriettaMRiley]

So Cliff Richard became a Christian, and the other became a 'Jehovah Witness'.... That statement should just hang there for a second.

[@ian_s7481]

Hitler was a Catholic Christian, never kicked out of the Catholic Church, just let that hang there for a second.

[@alainquinzelaire1253]

Cliff Richard est évangélique ce qui ne l'empêche pas d'avoir des amis d'autres confessions ; c'est on ne peut plus normal, sauf pour les gens à l'esprit étroit.

[@HenriettaMRiley]

@@alainquinzelaire1253 What has that got do with what we were talking about... Watch your precious leader Geoffrey JACKSON TAKE THE STAND IN THE aUSTRALIAN rOYAL coMMISSION INVESTIGATION INTO jEHVOAHS wITNESSES... yOUR WORSE THAN THE cATHCOLIC CHURCH. And thank you for recognising what i said about your preaching..."your useless at it - all you do is stand around and watch your iphones" lol