Hannah Arendt on What Went Wrong with the Zionist Project (Jonathan Graubart)

[@Cyberphunkisms]

this is my fave youtube channel. thank you

[@margotbw4660]

Great discussion, thank you. On a technical note, the sound is low and at times muffled, making it difficult to understand. Is it possible to enhance it? Removing the relentless keyboarding would be a huge bonus too. Thanks again!

[@KlausRiede]

Maybe subtitles help ?

[@marianhunt8899]

Arendt was correct. I pray for all the Jews and Arabs. May peace be achieved rapidly.

[@JeanSweeny]

Pray for US too, it is even sicker based on the expectations of the government

[@mkadi70]

Amen

[@JesseReza-g4l]

pray for all human beings, for our race and our religions are just a mental experience in time. peace equals being neutral in the heart, anything else is just personal ideology or blood related programming. -just saying- hihihi

[@erehweslefox]

goodness, I don't say it is intentional, but the only woman in the room is literally eclipsed.

[@GrantLeeEdwards]

Erasure is never unintended. jk relax

[@charlottemarceau8062]

Omg the way he sits down in front of her 😅

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

Depends on your viewing position really. What a metaphor.

[@premupchara4030]

That is the 1st shock I had😢

[@khubza8999]

I immediately noticed the same thing when the man sat down in front of her. ANNOYING.

[@jigmedorjeyoung]

Thank you for this.

[@keithayre6793]

long live the political thoughts & philosophical thinking of Hannah Arendt, folks 😀

[@mkadi70]

Had Arendt's views were considered or listened to, non of the what we see today could have been possible...Perhaps Palestine would have become some kind of Switzerland.

[@evanchristensen7043]

I feel fortunate to have come across this channel to find such an interesting discussion. Still, the guest was sometimes challenging to understand during the presentation and the question-and-answer session. The most frustrating pronunciation I tried to understand was the name of an author, your guest, correlated to Edward Said or two sides of the coin. It becomes more difficult to do further research on these discussions when source material or A link to the author's book is in the description. I enjoyed the discussion, but it would eliminate much post-education work of audience members having to track down points in the video for source material and book titles. I urge the moderators or whoever runs the channel to include links in the video's description.

[@mauricehalfhide3982]

Same. I am glad for the chance to be introduced to her work but it was difficult to hear clearly in parts. Partly due to the ambient noise, the recording quality and to the speakers mumbling at times. (or that's how it comes across in the recording). I replayed the part that mentions the essay her publisher refused but I can't catch the name. I will check out more of your content. Thanks again.

[@johnbullard902]

I wonder (as a gentile looker on) how Arendt and others reached a belief that anti-semitism was NOT evil and perpetual? History seems to indicate otherwise.

[@martifingers]

Hi John. That is a perceptive and key question. I have not read enough Arendt to know her argument here but given her personal history I would want to take it very seriously. I suppose it's also a question of your world view and how you think ideologies (including religious beliefs) arise and interact. It's not a direct answer either but you might find it interesting to watch Christopher Hitchen's very nuanced lecture at UCLA. Search for "Christopher Hitchens on Antisemitism."

[@alexberkovich9992]

As a Jew I do not think antisemitism is all that relevant anymore. it is mostly exists in the minds of the Zionists, who equate anti-Zionism with antisemitism which is absurd because there are many antizionist Jews. This is not to say there are no antisemites but there are not that many genuine ones. Arabs/Palestinians cannot be called antisemites exactly because they are of the semitic race themselves and their objections are mainly against the iniquities and abuses of the Israeli occupation.

[@moodyonroody5313]

@@martifingers doing that right now thx

[@thetruthis24]

I can’t recite the details bcuz « Benadryl » but she makes a claim that anti-semitism is conditional and some of the conditions are counterintuitive and therefore it can’t be innately perpetual.

[@thetruthis24]

*this can be found in the beginning of Origins. And variations on this theme can be found in other works & essays

[@1GoodWoman]

Why wasn’t the woman at the main table to start? Terrible planning….but far from unintentional Camera operator. I will not watch or listen when something is this horrible. Good topic but fix yourselves with equal dignity and rules for all humans.

[@BetseyPiacente]

Sorry, sound was bad so could not listen to whole discussion, much as I wanted to!

[@bkrystal1]

So substitute any other race for jews, and the same thoughts you present also hold true.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

Nah, then they’ll tell you it’s straight up racism.

[@JesseReza-g4l]

pffff "making it personal is already hell"

[@marianhunt8899]

It's possible to be a Liberal or Conservative Imperialist.

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

Easier to be a Liberal ex-Imperialist.

[@Jimi_Lee]

It was a stupid idea from the get-go.

[@scot2622]

so what would your idea be?

[@Jimi_Lee]

@@scot2622 For what?

[@Jimi_Lee]

@@scot2622 If the US and UK wanted to provide WWII refugees with a place to relocate, they should have made accommodations in their own countries. Settler colonialism went out with the 19th century.

[@Noah-qp6oe]

@@Jimi_LeeJewish socialists setting up kibbutz’s on empty land is settler colonialism? That doesn’t sound right to me, unless you believe Palestinians, or any humans for that matter have ownership over land not in use, or in other words, free from claim other than from a sovereign ‘being’, like a state. Even if you believe in private property, land not in use is no one’s land until that land is put to use.

[@cinnaminson0653]

​@@scot2622most likely nobody envisioned how well Jews would do in the USA and Canada over the second half of the 20th Century. The reality is that Jews do in fact have a very good option and that is moving to North America. In some ways what the Haredi say has come true: the existence of Israel in its current form has led to increased anti semitism. It took many decades to become obvious but that has proven to be the case.

[@Vampyrdanceclub]

sigh*

[@stefanfrankel8157]

Do we really have to watch this guy chew? Does no one there understand the basic principles of videography?

[@hasanprecell3599]

How expert one in history of zionism, one should read Rebirth and destiny of Israel; by David Ben-Gurion The core ideology is exposed raw.

[@JesseReza-g4l]

hahaha

[@Cyberphunkisms]

we all need our own solarpunk human zionism

[@HaggardPillockHD]

Jesus christ can gou please get a proper microphone? A Blue snowball isnt expensive maybe £50 come on people

[@MrElliotc02]

As someone who has read Hannah Arendt, I've never understood why she gets the attention she does. I'm sure the Germans like the fact that she never let go of her very odd attachment to German philosophy. Her continued friendship with Martin Heidegger after his career as a confirmed and active Nazi makes everything she wrote, said, did suspect. Eichmann in Jerusalem is a very bad book. She got Eichmann completely wrong, poured venom onto the Judenrats which showed, in my opinion, a moral obtuseness not fitting for a 2d class student let alone someone lionized. And her anti Zionism at a time when the stench of dead European Jews was still fresh in German noses, baffles me. I'm genuinely not trying to be provocative. I'd like to know what I'm missing.

[@dieselphiend]

I can answer this easily: Saturn..

[@lamegalectora]

Just coexistance with palestine arabs…well, we all know where that would have ended!!! Besides, I dont agree with their take on Arendts views at all

[@stefanfrankel8157]

How would you know? It was never tried.

[@stephenl9463]

@@stefanfrankel8157 post- Nov 1947, May 1948, 1967, 1973, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2008. 8 times it was tried from the Jewish side. Each time the Arabs rejected it and chose violence. How more times do you want to try?

[@Acorn-59]

​@@stephenl9463you mean Israel tried each by grabbing more land from Palestinians.

[@abhijaman4792]

Coexistence with arabs? You mean like pre-zionist Palestine?

[@Klopp2543]

Palestinians just like any other people who were about to be replaced definitely didn't take it good and were against a Jewish state from the get go. If it was about coexistence then it would have been different! It's the same today states are against immigration

[@peteross2008]

omg what a bunch of kooks

[@stefanfrankel8157]

What do you consider a "kook," someone that doesn't believe that the solution to the Palestinian-Israeli problem is exterminating all the Palestinians?