Hardtail Vise Ep.15: Drilling & Tapping Dynamic Jaw

We're back in the K&T mill and will now get the dynamic jaw body drilled and tapped for the bolt on jaws. I use our extended reach Morse taper extention sockets to make this op pretty simple to tackle. #abom79 #machineshop #horizontalmill
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[@liamrobertson7265]

I've seen a few KZbin creators with these fireball vices that guy knows how to market his stuff and he's damn good at design.

[@ToolCrime]

When you make the best vise ever made it will sell its self. It’s clearly a life long tool design. People are tired of paying for throwaway crap. Just look at the dump.

[@TheTkiller9999]

Hey Abom.... you made me feel so good when you turned the chuck the wrong way.... I can't how many times I have done that. and you who I consider a very well educated and experienced Professional.. did the same thing... it makes me know that everyone makes little mistakes like that... it makes me feel human and good.

[@peterhaan9068]

Adam, enjoying the vice series and especially being back in the old shop.

[@dburly4654]

After clearing 16" of snow, so nice to settle in to an ABOM vid... (with a cold frosty)

[@7th_dwarf542]

mmm, Canada?

[@davidhall1779]

yikes

[@atown4428]

These are the videos I love. Keep it up Adam.

[@frankcurley]

Another Saturday night in the shop...time well-spent! Thanks.

[@badjuju6563]

If you slip some plywood between the sling loops as a spreader it will prevent them from sliding together. I keep a bit an inch longer than my vice jaws width at hand.

[@salkabalani1482]

I have a feeling I've watched this video on your channel before. It don't matter I enjoy it just the same. Good job as always.

[@mrnetwurm]

So, it’s not just me. I thought I went crazy (again)

[@spikeypineapple552]

The first half was the last half of the last video

[@crazyb1443]

content recycling... Needs to reach 32 episodes

[@billabernathy1541]

This is a great project, Adam. Thanks for taking us along for the ride.

[@PoulLausen]

I'm enjoying this series, great job so now my Saturday is saved.

[@stuartschaffner9744]

Nice job! I like it when you use both traditional and CNC machinery on the same project. You're no stranger to jobs involving large precision parts and to critical jobs where a production line is stopped or running at reduced capacity until you fix something. That requires real flexibility.

[@ianmoone2359]

Am I the only one thinks those socket head cap screws needed to be counter bored just a fraction deeper so they recess behind the clamping faces of the jaws a fraction more? 🤷‍♂️ Enjoying the series on this vice for sure.

[@johnsherborne3245]

Personaly I’d like to see flush plugs and get rid of the horrid checker pattern,

[@tates11]

@@johnsherborne3245 first thing I do with patterned vice jaws is to grind them flat.

[@johnsherborne3245]

@@tates11 I was lucky, the jaws are reversible on my vice, so no more checker print!

[@ronnydowdy7432]

❤ I am enjoying the series. It's good that you are teaching others how to do some setups for their own projects. I know there's many ways to accomplish this project much faster like the drilled and tapped holes in this episode could have just been laid out with a height gauge and the scribed, drill the holes with a hand held electric drill in just a few minutes. I think the education of the setups is important too.

[@Peter_Riis_DK]

Ah! Ye olde shoppe with the K&T sporting the Abom/Saunders parking attachment. Good times.

[@memyselfandeye1234]

Quality ..... and Still in the old shop ..... Happy Days peace

[@transmitterguy478]

I love it Adam, beautiful work!

[@Hey_Its_That_Guy]

That's going to be a sweet vise when you are finished with it, Adam!

[@phillhuddleston9445]

One more way to do it would be to use a right angle head on a Bridgeport but I'm sure there are several ways to do this.

[@Coconut7403]

I hope someone in 100 years finds it and is impressed with the quality from the 20s

[@JaapGrootveld]

He has already made two irreparable mistakes in this build. This vice should cost $5,000 when it's finished. Made In America, so to speak.

[@gordenmacalik7436]

Adam. That mic you us is real good. I can hear the tap cut the thread in the jaw. You have some good equipment.

[@jeffreysmith8735]

Smile Adam! looks fantastic!

[@willemvantsant5105]

Adam you have to invest in a right angle attachment for the vertical mill. For the rare times i used mine it got me out of trouble.

[@wingnoit]

Such a great series. Love it Abom.

[@nickeva3964]

Great content again Adam. Thank you. Sometimes you use lubricant when drilling, sometimes not. What tells you which way to go?

[@mazchen]

That's cast iron. The graphite in it is the lubricant.

[@ianmoone2359]

I came to make that exact same comment. 😂😂👍

[@garyrobertson7778]

Totally enjoying it

[@tomoakhill8825]

A number of commentators are asking, "Why are you doing it this way?" Do they even listen to Adam. He explains it a dozen times. Listen to 26:35, where he explains it, once again.

[@tates11]

He uses that reason as a get out of jail free card. Almost to say 'I am doing it wrong on purpose'. So the methods can't be scrutinised & inferring that he can do it properly if he wants to. Not a good showcase for getting the vise made in the USA. Why hide your talent? show us how it should be made.

[@djmike2222]

Great job ,greetings from Poland 😊

[@РоманТихомиров-м8и]

Дорогой мастер ,Вы молодец! Уверен ,что русские станочники смотрят Вас ,спасибо Abom 79!

[@rustyshackleford928]

This is for a tool that holds things, right? In my world, you clamp the jaws into place, transfer punch, drill, and tap. What's going on?

[@uhavenosushi]

Well, considering he makes money doing KZbin content, it would appear he is making a series on machining his USA made fireball tool vise showcasing various methods of machining.

[@tates11]

@@uhavenosushi Could that include transfer drilling wirh a cordless drill and hand tapping?

[@theorangebaron1595]

Yes it could, match drilling is not the best practice in the machining world. I am sure that cordless drilling and tapping would work perfectly well in this scenario, but it is not super professional and proper. I do not agree with the way that he machined these holes, but hey, it worked.

[@uhavenosushi]

@@theorangebaron1595 who said anything about best practice? He’s just machining however he wants and he makes money doing it. Ifhe did it the fastest way, he wouldn’t have much content. Thats what some of these people don’t get, Abom isn’t making money off machining, he is a content creator. So, could a transfer, drip and tap work? Yes, of course. But I wouldn’t watch it.

[@docktorwho6703]

The most constructive use of time it's not but for sheer pleasure of machining and measuring it's worth the time

[@amalfi460]

This will be a 16,000 dollar vise when he is done

[@uhavenosushi]

I would imagine that doesn’t matter to a KZbinr if hes making money off the videos.

[@dDoOyYoOuUtTuUbBeE]

16:32 Great idea!

[@isbcornbinder]

I will be waiting with abated breath for EP 16.

[@davidlawson1902]

Can't date to see what pink paint looks like. Haha

[@knucklehead0980]

Nice job on editing and overlay

[@ydonl]

Very nice and methodical; thanks for this!

[@craigromero5921]

great job Big Homie

[@DougFlagg-z7z]

Half an hour video on drilling and tapping two holes, wow! One of the old Saturday Night Specials had more content than 15 episodes of this vise and it's not done

[@andrewterry8092]

Really weird, isn't it?

[@crazyb1443]

will become a 72 episodes story

[@tankerboysabot]

Big question. What color are you painting it? I'm thinking Snapon extreme green is fitting, or gold considering the amount of time it's taking a good machinist to do this, it's the golden vice!!! The red is boring. 😁😁

[@johnsherborne3245]

Never mind paint, gold plate!

[@johnsherborne3245]

It’s a pity the over arm support could not help some how, I can see it supporting, but how you get a chuck on the end is more fun?

[@marley589]

Use a small chuck.

[@jimlachance2181]

Awesome video didn’t seem to be yourself you ok?? But happy to see the videos you made 🎉

[@davidt8438]

Yea Adam seemed to be down in the dumps and he didn’t post last week either. I hope things are ok with him and Abby. He provides us the viewers with content all the time but we feel bad when we can’t help him when life throws him a curveball.

[@andrewterry8092]

He's probably disappointed he has done all the work on the new shop, but the channel is dying a slow death. That's a lot of money spent for nothing. I'd be upset, too.

[@jimhoran5445]

That vice is going to look good bolted down to the starrett granite surface plate!

[@spidersinspace1099]

Nice work Adam. I really enjoyed this video.

[@axeldaval3410]

Awesome!

[@joepalazzolo4630]

Outstanding!

[@WillyBemis]

Thank you!

[@1320pass]

Jacobs chuck floating out in space- Weeeee! Haha. Great build. Jason must not be too interested in selling the U.S. castings, didn't reply to me. I realize he's a busy man tho.

[@tsmartin]

I wouldn't sell them either. If I sold raw castings and the end user screwed them all up or built a vise so poorly that it failed it would be easy to blame the seller for selling crappy parts and knowing how crap flies all over the internet that's a rep nobody wants.

[@1320pass]

@@tsmartin Sounds a little condescending with some projection but I get your point. No doubt getting all the machining done domestically and maintaining a profit is, well, a lofty goal. But does having your name on some Ying Yang tool scream reputation?

[@ToolCrime]

@tsmartin Ying yang tool? I believe the Taiwan vise Jason sells kicked the USA Morgan and Wilton’s Ass in a comparison test.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

20:35 .. Can NOT beat the low risk (no risk) hand tapping of these two holes. A broken tap now!? Would be a disaster! :)

[@phillhuddleston9445]

I would not want to power tap on a horizontal mill.

[@kevincorbin6273]

Definitely a work of art

[@johnw.peterson4311]

I wonder if it were necessary, if a small steady rest 😮type set up could secured behind the drill Chuck and secured to the vise ? surface

[@Factory400]

In a production setup, do you think a right angle head would be the right idea?

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

If you owned one to suit your mills then sure. In a production situation you would be tooled up and jigged to hell (getting this under $ control is likely Jasons issue?) and for something like this pair of holes that don't need real precision the Flexarm sitting in the background could get a run as it is fast.

[@generessler6282]

I recall in an earlier part of the series when he was doing the fixed jaw, he mentioned that a boring mill would be ideal (like the one he used at Motion back in the day). Then that a vertical setup in his mill would be okay, too, but the knee doesn't have the clearance. So this is the workaround. I can't remember if he mentioned an angle head. Certainly it ought to work. I don't think he owns one though.

[@spikeypineapple552]

(just my opinion) but if I were designing this vice, I'd design the front of the moving jaw to be vertical there. Then I'd drill and tap from the other side, and plug it.

[@Factory400]

@@spikeypineapple552 The only downside is the through holes are stress risers at one of the weakest points of the part. The extreme clamping capability of this unit may not be too friendly to through holes when someone wants/needs to use the full clamping capability.

[@marley589]

@@Factory400 The main stress risers are the sharp internal corners that the jaw sits on. All the vices cracked there in testing. The orthodox method is to leave a radius in the corner.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

0:49 .. That Sky Hook is so versatile!! I could use on on my van! .. it'd mount right on the back bumper! :)

[@utidjian]

Go back a year or two and you can see how Adam made a cool adapter for the Skyhook on his pickup. Much easier to load heavy stuff with that.

[@Sugarkraft]

Really nice use of the ‘SkyHook’…👍

[@wdhewson]

Do plug taps really thread to the bottom of the hole?

[@firesurfer]

Bottoming tap, not plug. There are 3 types in general. Starting, plug and bottoming. (not counting endless specialty taps)

[@CothranMike]

The first three turns are tapered leaving at least 3x0.0769=0.2307 or around 1/4 inch unthreaded in a 3/4 inch deep hole. I also use a bottom tap in blind holes for this type of reason. A bottom tap only leaves 1/2 a turn in taped holes.

[@wdhewson]

Yes, right, bottoming tap........@@firesurfer

[@Grandpa600]

I was sixteen years old, and in my first position as an Electrical Apprentice. The man I was working for moved me over to a workstation, surrounded by pieces of what would become solenoids, told me what was required, and left me to it. The work sheet stated “Tap 6BA”. So I, first day on the job, picked up a soft mallet, and commenced hitting the section on the top. My immediate boss, walked across, and asked me, “Did I understand what was called for with the instruction “Tap 6BA”. That was when I was first introduced to the magic world of forming threads, and from then, I always asked if I didn’t understand a term or an instruction.

[@garydunscombe1762]

considering the Labor involved this particular vice must be the most expensive in the world lol

[@alanbothwell3254]

The cost of knowledge and skills are priceless This guy is taking his time to pass on what he has learned over the years I’m sure if he really wanted to get the task done quickly it would not be a problem to a skilled task master

[@tates11]

@@alanbothwell3254 Where did he learn his trade from? Perhaps a video of his trade school antics or his apprenticeship days, maybe the mentors who have shared their knowledge at all the different companies he has worked at.

[@danshaw6759]

I thought your air compressor was outside?

[@TonyInIR]

Could your flex arm have performed this task with similar accuracy?

[@crazyb1443]

Don't ask questions, you will never get answers, time waisting

[@kevinquinn6242]

The price of a new vice is excessive, probably a luxury. If these are to be finished in the USA ,unaffordable.

[@Dimka2]

well this is like heavy duty industrial vice, if you are using it for its maximum capabilities its good deal, if your just diyer weekend warrior no way a monster like this makes sense

[@spikeypineapple552]

1600$ is nothing for something that'll last 20 years.

[@ToolCrime]

@@spikeypineapple55220 years? Try 100

[@uhavenosushi]

This obviously isn’t a vise for a home shop. For the price, I’d say it’s a damn good deal compared to its competition for industrial use.

[@Paul-pl4vy]

Your drill chuck was spinning the opposite way to the spindle!!

[@sugerbear6544]

The shutter effect of the camera.... holy smokes 😑

[@mikepayne5032]

It seems you don’t talk much about it, but are you building a new house?

[@legend7ify]

......

[@laszlototh5956]

This machine with the long extension looks like Sponge Bob smoking weed. Sorry for the dumb comment.

[@bennyfactor]

Well I for one enjoyed your comment

[@7th_dwarf542]

I want to see Adam's electricity bill 🥶

[@fireantsarestrange]

Next part is finishing the flat under the jaw.

[@ToolCrime]

That stays as cast. It’s not needed as a machined surface.

[@bwalker4194]

Please move the mic off to the side so as not to be directly under your nostrils. I had to mute the first two minutes.

[@joebauer4428]

breathing simulator

[@madcapmagician6018]

Gotta tell ya Adam, i like your home shop better than the new shop, it just seems more.... Homey lol ya know? Lol

[@Coombsly]

I love the home shop because of the shaper and the welding gear. The new workshops cool tho with the cnc equipment

[@madcapmagician6018]

@@Coombsly true nuff 😁👍

[@davidevans8826]

I still love that skyhook you only have to hurt your back once just once and that Skyh looks better and better every time. Great work Adam cool project.

[@williegillie5712]

I’m enjoying the vice series. It’s interesting to see how the whole process goes. Great shots by the way.

[@johnschneider3082]

I don’t know if anyone else has the same thought but I’m thinking,with all the work and care that Adam’s putting in to this project rather than using the vise, it should go into a museum of modern art. Love watching this man’s work.

[@michaellee6168]

Just a Man having fun with his toys. This will be the Hard tail super precision model.

[@GRANITEMONUMENT]

I just been waiting three weeks to see a hole drilled? What’s wrong with me?

[@andyguyuk1]

We've all done stuff that wasn't really needed doing to that degree but love knowing it's perfect

[@Chris-hx7kw]

I couldn't agree more, the idea of ever hitting this with a hammer would bring tears to my eyes.

[@Chris-hx7kw]

Maybe a steady rest for a GoPro or the IPhone

[@RobertGracie]

This is the highlight of the week for me being able to watch one more of Adams epic videos!

[@drewmog123456]

I still enjoy them, but they’re not epic like they were a few years ago.

[@ReubenUrrea]

yup. agreed

[@Jan-yc2lr]

@@drewmog123456Yeah, two tapped holes is hardly epic.

[@PhilG999]

It never gets old! In spite of the haters... Ordered a new dial indicator today! The kind to work on IDs. Not a Starret but a decent looking one. Similar to a "Best Test" if I remember the nomenclature correctly. 😁

[@Jan-yc2lr]

⁠@@PhilG999I'm not a hater at all! I just don't consider two tapped holes epic.

[@minigpracing3068]

Could you make a bushing for the over arm support to steady those extensions?

[@ΓιαννηςΓριζοπουλος]

Always magnificent job. Best regards from Greece John Grizopoulos retired machinist.

[@JohnBare747]

A new set of Old Stock Morse taps, all is right in the shop today! That worked out great. Make a makeshift boring mill out of the K&T, what ever it takes to get the holes drilled and tapped successfully. Another operation on the vice completed, good work Adam.

[@KennethWhite-f8c]

That's going to be a 25.000 $$ vise before it's all said and done... I wonder if it's the only one ever been done that is completely machined??? That's awesome anyway....

[@KZ-yy9pm]

Hardtail vice Ep. 45...

[@bobtherat99]

I do love the sound of the mill. It when you are walking through a busy parking lot and someone fires up an old muscle car. When my neighbor fires up his old Pontiac everybody looks. I do love modern machines but I also love the sound of Old Iron.

[@firesurfer]

The holes seem a smidge high. I know you are going off spec, but It would have been nice if they could have been an 1/8'' lower on the jaw. With the massive forces on it, I would be afraid of the top cracking out at the screws. The inserts would be non standard though. It's more than likely not a real issue.

[@sthawk01]

I started watching this channel for the home shop work with the old machines. Thank you for still making content with them even though you have an amazing modern shop now

[@tates11]

Why break down the setup to edge find the top of the face. Just edge find on the bottom of the scriber on the height gauge.

[@JerodLennox]

first video ive ever commented on....big fan.... would make a good video to add braze and remachine to make up difference where you ended up short on the jaw... love the series

[@guillermocarrillo3959]

I’m amazed that having the new shop, he does most of his work at his old shop, at least the most interesting work.

[@james-ew7kl]

A lot of the repair stuff goes on at the old shop. But last video from there was 7 months ago, and 2nd last at 10 months.

[@spikeypineapple552]

@@james-ew7kldidnt he just do some shaping?

[@dscdrkel5546]

HOW CAN KORERA MAKE THE HARD TAIL SO QUIICK AND CHEAP???? T HE USA HARD TAIL LOOKS LIKE ITS GOING TO COST MANY THOUSANDS ***DR KEL *

[@marossgnv]

Taiwan. Very cheap labor. While Fireball Tools sets the standards, they are built to a price. These videos are not to demonstrate an efficient manufacturing process. Shapers are no longer used in manufacturing because they spend half the time cutting air.

[@marossgnv]

Taiwan. Very cheap labor. While Fireball Tools sets the standards, they are built to a price. These videos are not to demonstrate an efficient manufacturing process. Shapers are no longer used in manufacturing because they spend half the time cutting air.

[@tates11]

@@marossgnv Taiwan uses skilled labor = efficient machining = great value.

[@uhavenosushi]

@@tates11skilled labor and cheap labor are not the same thing. In taiwan, labor is less expensive. Doesn’t mean they aren’t skilled. If it wasn’t cheaper than doing it in the USA fireball tool wouldn’t have the machining done overseas.

[@joshwalker5605]

Taiwan hasn’t been cheap labor for decades. America just allowed most of our heavy manufacturing to be outsourced, so what remains is expensive.

[@KarlLittle1975]

Great work Adam. I love watching you expertly complete these projects!

[@TedRoza]

G'day Adam. This is a very thorough & informative Tutorial Video. I enjoyed the setting up, the extension coming off the Horizontal Arbour etc. The thing is, everything went to plan & even the bolts fitted in very well. I recently purchased a new Hafco HM-54GV Milling machine which I am in process of setting up, the main thing is it also has a Horizontal Spindle like yours, Wow, what a great extra to have. I have a slighly bigger tap holder like you were using, which I fitted a small section of Garden hose on the handles to stop getting blisters, & getting a better grip when tapping holes. Just wodering if your flex arm would have also done a great drill & tap segment Great Video. Thanks

[@dr.feelgood2358]

just curious as to how you would choose what type of tap to use for this operation. are you partial to straight flute taps?

[@phillhuddleston9445]

Straight flute for through holes spiral flute for blind holes is the basic rule, sometimes you use what you have though.

[@nathancowieson511]

Thanks Adam, I’m enjoying this series. I really love your work and you just seem like a really decent person and thats a big part of your appeal IMO.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

I have a big "Made in England" Record vise in my storage unit. I got it free when was an apprentice, as it was sheard in two! (Somebody was testing a hydraulic power pack and broke the vise!! :( I brazed it together and it last for 10 years!! .. But I broke it, when I trying to straighten a set of bolt cutters jaws. It's patiently waiting for me to re-braze it back together :)

[@bboomer7th]

I’m absolutely enjoying this content.

[@andrewterry8092]

That's funny.

[@trajtemberg]

That double exposure was just 😘👌

[@db747]

Would a Bridgeport with 90deg head have clearance?

[@marley589]

Easily

[@spikeypineapple552]

Yup, thats the right way to do this.

[@terryjennings2356]

That's how every normal person would do it but that doesn't make a cool clickbait thumbnail for a video.

[@simonscott1121]

would be interesting to see what the runout is with that stack loaded - ie, while drilling or whatever. Not that it matters with this operation, would just be interesting.

[@bernardwill7196]

2.5 thousend.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

So! .. Looking Forward to the next video!!1 .. So far has been epic!!! :)

[@ch4611]

Having the over arm support, I can see a way to make and extension that runs a bearing sleeve off the over arms. Like an arbor mill but off the end of the shaft run a have #3 Morse socket and be able to have that long stick out of the spindle supported. Maybe a future project idea.

[@angelramos-2005]

Looking very good,Adam.Thank you.

[@bulletproofpepper2]

Thanks for sharing.

[@mdvener]

A great video. Where there's a will, there's a way. Nice to see the home shop, that's were it all started for me.

[@Leroys_Stuff]

It’s an amazing piece

[@plainnpretty]

Adam in his home shop . Thats a ABOM 79 video. Its a wonderful series thanks Adam

[@bgcal50cal]

You could use another 1/2 chuck with a 1/2 arbor in first Chuck to get proper distance to jaw. Runout should no be too bad with accurate chuck.