Hardtail Vise Ep. 22: Internal Shaping to Fit Dynamic Jaw

[@burnte]

I love when you show the mistakes, more people need to realize mistakes are natural. Being wrong isn’t BAD, it’s just not correct, and then you learn. You’re smarter afterwards!

[@anon-means-anon]

Looking at all the setup time and hand feeding reminds me of something an old die maker told me once: "You can make anything with a shaper, except a profit".

[@mrvector257]

It's always really cool to see a master, not only work his craft, but flex his skills and learn new things.

[@grntitan1]

I see so many new folks commenting on the sirens. Long time subscribers will remember it was a normal video occurrence at the home shop.

[@stevewhitley3843]

When I was a little kid, my dad had a socket like the one you used to remove the slotted bolt on your shaper. It was for removing old king pins on straight axle trucks. Really brings back memories.

[@PAINFOOL13]

#22 episodes .. 🤔 😂🤣 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I really appreciate the time you took to bring us along .

[@HMS1Blake]

More folks in Pensacola need G&E shapers in their lives. They’ve just got to be good for stress levels and heart health. You could even talk your way onto airplanes with a small shaper - “ This here is my support / companion shaper”.

[@MickOhrberg]

The cops are swarming because Adam's level of craftsmanship is ILLEGAL :)

[@theblackguytv9891]

Sir you are the coolest guy man. I love watching you machine and make stuff even though I'm not a machinist nor have anything to do with precision machined anything lol. your like the cool teacher at shop class that makes you wanna get into the trade. 10/10 man keep it up

[@Abom79]

Thanks 👍

[@tates11]

Bolt the vise body direct to the table without the swivel base for more rigidity. The vise body hole spacings look like they may align with the table tee slots, so maybe the fixture plate need not be used?

[@toolbox-gua]

Just nice to have all the old shop working, even the sirens. But not only Pensacola, I was on NYC back in October and was the same every 5 min. The vise, looking so nice. Thanks for sharing.

[@patrickcolahan7499]

Sounds like you might be either close to a hospital or close to an EMS dispatch center. Love watching the shaper. Very relaxing. Definitely able to do jobs that traditional mills would find very difficult. Thanks for sharing.

[@karlpron]

Simple Adam :) Only you know how much experience and knowledge goes to setups like this. Great video.

[@JohnDoe-es5xh]

I'm impressed. Adam did the undoable pushing a real square in a piece of cast iron which fits the dynamic jaw to enter smoothly.

[@RobertGracie]

Adam thanks for another wonderful video, hope you are doing well!

[@Leroys_Stuff]

How to machine a killer vice to make it even better. It’s not a whoops on the tool it’s a hidden feature thank you for adding it in

[@AlexMusayev]

47:55 A fluffy siamese cat spotted in the background :)

[@BCHonea]

You’re taking the worlds best vise and turning it into the world bestest bada$$ vise ❤

[@davidlawson1902]

What about a lever action clamp for the meat balls on the rotation ?

[@WreckDiver99]

About the sirens? Look at your location to the locations of emergency care facilities. You may be on a prime route to get there. I lived on a suburban street growing up. The PRIMARY fire route was a 'straight shot' 3 blocks over, but that street curved about 10 times in less than a mile, meaning no speed capability. We were the secondary route. We say fire trucks at least 5 times a week blowing down our street. A friend lived about 2 miles from a trauma center, and yea, it was NON STOP. Even though that trauma center was 2 miles from him, he lived near a main throughfare. All about the location for sure. Believe me, there are FAR worse places for sirens...

[@philbert006]

Interstate ramp in his backyard. As be mentioned, they used to be constant when he was strictly working and filming in the home shop.

[@WreckDiver99]

@@philbert006Oh I know, been following Adam since for years now. I just find it interesting that he says "I've never been anywhere with sirens all the time". Lots of places exist like that, lots. As mentioned, I lived on a quiet street...except that we were the secondary fire route, and the primary route had way too many curves, so by default we became the primary route. Now then, we didn't have much in the way of ambulances or police cars, but those that live right by the freeway ramps? ALL THE TIME. Fire, Ambulance, Police, it's non-stop in the SE Michigan region if you live by a freeway. Heck, even in my area where it's not nearly as congested as that, I live a mile from a main road, and I hear Police/Fire/Ambulance EVERY SINGLE DAY multiple times a day. I live in a 'township', not even a city...we're small, but because we have an urgent care facility a mile away, two section 8 housing systems 3 miles away, and 2 total dumpster fire apartment complexes we have lots of police action, so we hear sirens all the bloody time. LOL...Heck, 99% of the time I don't even notice them now.

[@c0mputer]

That pipe wrench is beryllium copper, maybe made by BerylCo. Very cool metal. Highly toxic when being machined but fine once it’s made.

[@k4x4map46]

cool setups n machining...shaper time!!!

[@SuperDenisGl]

Это уже не тиски, это произведение искусства.

[@ydonl]

That looked harder than it... looked. No - it seemed harder than it... seemed. Uhm... 😁 Visibility is easy to take for granted, I guess. Nicely done.

[@bulletproofpepper2]

I’m just glad your hand wasn’t anywhere around there. Great job, sorry about all the pauses I had meetings all day got to watch in between craziness.

[@AlexMusayev]

6:40 This shiny custom-made nut definitely worth a specialized wrench :)

[@janosnagyj.9540]

3:42 Now that's an Abom sized screwdriver right there! 😅 Half inch drive on a ratchet, that's something to snag your slotted bolts 🤣

[@danmenes3143]

How do you suppose Jason at Fireball, or his Taiwanese supplier, machines this part for production? A really big broach?

[@amalfi460]

A man and his hardtail vise…… A LOVE STORY. Should be the title lol

[@ronwhittaker6317]

thank you Adam

[@merkyworks]

Awesome job man!

[@AlexMusayev]

Thank you for the video, Adam! This seems to be the most tricky machining operation in the series. It must take a lot of patience. I wonder what machine/process Jason uses to cut these inner surfaces during serial production.

[@CothranMike]

Alex, Fireball tools uses a corporation in Taiwan to do the entire operations, they do all either in-house, cottage industry for some smaller supplies consumed, or sub out what is too dirty like the pouring, forging, casting with concomitant grind gates, pour basin, risers etc. The castings will be held on reference surfaces created with the pour. I did not see such a surface on this when he was showing us, lo, these many months ago. In this instance Jason may have sent Adam his casting, an obligatory casting he inspected for acceptance of some phase of the initial contract. No clue. To answer the exact question you have now. The body is positioned and held in a ridge fashion (I can't speak for anyone but me here though so NaCl crystals on any setups or problems...). A broaching operation will be performed, there might be hydraulics for shimming, advancing of the form tool, there might be coolant of some sort, I would use a light oil, around 5 psi and depend on the work holders for drainage of chips and oil. The broach would be in a fixture for support during the many tiny cuts of the first corner. I would not use a specialty broach set for the limited run made at any one time. Common right angle broaches could be used for the corner, the flat surface which supports the dynamic jaw both in front and at the back are already finished just as in this example of Adam's. Which ever way it is done will be fast, clean, low cost for now. It could be as simple as a guy with a finger sized belt grinder and a lot of practice in filing to fit.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

1:04 That's a great idea! .. A nice project for the CNC lathe AND mill!! .. Make them from 4140 and gun blue finish??

[@vintagespeed]

make the hold downs with a ball & bar on top (like original) and a hex at the base for a wrench. 👍 ...Ti or SS would look pretty sweet.

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Hypnotic… 😁

[@jackchapman6712]

That's a big kitty Adam.

[@jasongrady1278]

Machine a hex in the base of the meatball bolts

[@PhotogNT]

I was just thinking I would probably try some sort of cam lock for the swivel base, just thought.

[@c0mputer]

What’s up with the new property you and Abby bought a couple years back? Hope that’s all doing well..

[@ilaril]

I love the shaper finished surfaces. How would one get to clean the bottom surface of the vice body? I know it's hidden and not necessary, just wondering could it be done easily?

[@danoneill8751]

I wonder if you live near to a hub (in some sense) of the EMS trucks. Perhaps it might not be literally an ambulance station, but some confluence of routes to ER hospitals, or maybe just a popular rest stop for them or place where they wait in holding patterns for calls. Only a guess, maybe nothing to do with the routes perhaps just a lot of old people?

[@spidersinspace1099]

Probably a donut shop around the corner.

[@johnrobinson6449]

As far s a reference plane to align the upper and lower rails, when milling in the fixed jaw body, perhaps mount it to an angle plate, one side up, then the other, and end-mill a 3/8 to 1/2 inch wide plane at the end of the casting, that is perpendicular to the base. I understand that would conflict with the esthetic of maintaining the original cast surface, but to make that new surface appear more consistent, mill the adjoining edges of the hard-tail to match? If not milling along the entire length of the side of the fixed-jaw body, perhaps two matching surfaces on the outside of the fixed-jaw body and in the direction being parallel to the fixed-jaw base. Do that with a 1/2 inch end mill about 3/4" to 1" long, perpendicular to the base. Another possibility could be having made a 1/4" thick steel plate of the approximate shape of the surface the hard-tail mounts to. Utilize the hard-tail mounting bolts to attach it to the fixed-jaw body, dowel-pin it in place to maintain position, and then cut out the middle, making the cutout the exact dimensions of the needed opening size. When you assemble the hard-tail to the fixed-jaw body, having removed the dowel pins, those pin-holes would be covered by the hard-tail flange. Also, perhaps make a dummy plug about .015 to .020 smaller than your expected final dimensions, and work up to matching the hole-size using feeler gauges. Or make 2 dummy plugs, one like described, and a second one with the exact cross-sectional dimensions as the dynamic jaw slide. Use the undersized plug to establish the location, and the full sized one for your final test. OR... Get a custom broach set made for a few thousand bucks to broach the final hole! Just kidding!

[@tates11]

Don't forget to machine the guide slot in the chin to suit the machined location rib on the bottom of the dynamic jaw.

[@JO753]

22-1/2 degreez.

[@carlbyington5185]

Adam, What if....... you were to drill a succession of holes around the thumb screw in your adjustable parallels tool, so you could use a pin to tighten more easily ?

[@thompsonjerry3412]

How would you do this without a shaper?

[@2testtest2]

Wire EDM would be a very good option. Sinker EDM would also be possible. It might be a struggle to get properly sharp corners, but a 5-axis CNC mill with a long tapered ball nose endmill could possibly get in there and do a half decent job of it as well.

[@philbert006]

A custom broach. Would be a lot of work for one vise. I would bet that's how fireball does it. Rough machine to fit the guide then broach the finish work.

[@thompsonjerry3412]

@@philbert006 you cannot guide a broach, so I doubt it, could not align the jaws

[@2testtest2]

@@philbert006 Now that you say that, I think Adam mentioned fireball tools had a custom broach made for this.

[@apistosig4173]

what about a 1/2 inch square socket so you can employ a ratchet❓This would have to be the most facinating of your shaper videos.

[@dizzolve]

so does it fit

[@scrappy7571]

Left us hanging, just like the tv show dallas. Who shot JR??

[@nathancowieson511]

Hi Adam, I’ve really enjoyed this project, thanks for all your hard work on the channel. I understand the clapper box lets the tool lift out of the cut on the back stroke, I guess it can’t work the way its menat to when you are cutting upwards? Is this an issue with this kind of setup?

[@jameslmorehead]

I see a new swivel bolt in the future...with a hex rather than just a slot. Much easier and safer to assemble.

[@markramsell454]

You saved a saw cut by breaking it to length, much faster.

[@fmolds]

What other method would accomplish this procedure ? I don't see a lathe or mill doing this .🤔

[@rmorganii]

Hey Adam great video... Thanks for sharing... How would you do this if you didn't have the shaper?

[@akschu1]

That's what I want to know too. I can't think of a way to machine this without the shaper.

[@jrb_sland]

@@akschu1 Note how you are subconsciously assuming the job can only be done with a power tool. In a pinch one could use hand files. The workpiece material is only cast iron, after all, easy to cut. How would your distant ancestors have done it before shapers existed, is the question to ask. The only downside is the extra time involved, and notice at 12:10 how setting up the shaper is about to take huge amounts of additional fussy set-up time - by now Adam might be half-finished the job with a file or two, using a precision straight-edge sliding in from the front as a visual alignment tester! Same considerations in woodworking - razor-sharp chisels & planes can be used to construct exquisite furniture without employing any power tools. Tradeoffs, tradeoffs... Imagine trying to make this video fifty years ago - tungsten filament lighting, analog film movie cameras, manual focus, manual lens aperture settings, limited camera run times, costly materials. Manual acetone-based solvent-weld film splicing, etc. Never say we don't live in miraculous times!

[@kalusovsky]

Wire EDM maybe.

[@philbert006]

A custom broach would be my guess. He certainly has the machinery to make something like that without much trouble. Always nice to see anyone making custom tooling.

[@gerardb.ducoudray8881]

Why such a long stroke at 22:08?

[@MickZakrzewski]

Because it cuts at both ends.

[@MishterDale]

It may have been mentioned in previous videos but I don't remember, is the shaper a fixed speed for the stroke or is that adjustable?

[@CothranMike]

Adjustable, but the machine is unanchored to the floor.

[@davidweber4750]

Omg dam brother you just had to tease us like that. Do all the cuts and not try to test fit the jaw. Ok I see your methods 😅

[@cymaz100]

Using a pipe wrench for a spanner ! How could you😮😊

[@ricksosbee3913]

F wrench. No teeth

[@johnmorriss5308]

How about hanging a phone under the lantern on its back looking up?

[@wayneclark7048]

I'm guilty of do that too. 😅

[@MikeBaxterABC]

This is a great example of a comment that could use a timestamp :)

[@carlbyington5185]

I meant drill holes in the "Homemade" parallels, NOT the Starett.

[@thatoneguy9660]

If I'm not mistaken the clapper box will not work when cutting the top? I'm not sure how you would cut the inside of that vise without a shaper which is said to be a obsoleted machine. Not sure how you would go about cutting it with a mill?

[@andarkelorin8797]

This is why he was talking about locking the clapper, effectively just making it a fixed mount. He mentioned it briefly in this video, but talked about it at length a few years back. As far as doing this in a mill .. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@MikeBaxterABC]

11:49 .. I do NOT remember that huge THICK fixture plate on the shaper table!!, I don't think I've ever seen it before! .. If I missed it being made, does anyone have a link??

[@scottdickens1454]

i think last week he attached it and drilled some holes with his grand dad's magnetic drill.

[@lerkzor]

It was a couple videos ago, he has had that plate around for a long time, and he just added a couple holes for studs to mount the vise.

[@CothranMike]

He created this plate for using on the shaper back when he still thought the railroad project was going to be something the machine could do. He made a whole series of videos on that secondary coal feeder. It is still in his collection at his actual channel.

[@lerkzor]

@@CothranMike AHH, right - the stoker engine. I follow Keith too, and I don't remember ever seeing that project get finished.

[@rickbray7100]

Did I spy a trail 50

[@bernardwill7196]

Adam that can happen , broke the tool. Noone is injured , that's the main reason.

[@jurassicmark5403]

Sirens? Try New York City where the sirens have to be loud enough to be heard in New Jersey!

[@orellaminx3530]

19:06 There is a Yo Momma joke here somewhere

[@dockerjade]

Downtown Panama city might give Pensacola sirens close competition.

[@previsieitbeheer4921]

One can tell that the drawings were drawn by someone who likely doesn't have a degree. What i don't get is why Adam goes along with that; refencepoints which don't make any sense.

[@ItsMrAssholeToYou]

1:03:23 Indicator at a fixed height (probably attached to the ram or bar or whatever), traverse the table vertically.

[@charlesmiles9115]

😛😛😛😛😛😛😛❤❤❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@trebuchetsupportsquad7909]

Yeah we need Abby and meatballs. Sound good?

[@oldfister7460]

Adam, please be calm accidents happen, like you I try to rethink things for safety sake, but as my nephew who was 4 years old 30 years ago repeated one of my saying no one can make something uncle Terry proof. At least it wasnt a customer's project. You can't stay 100 percent focused 100 percent of the time. It's not humanly possibly. As usual I enjoy the conteent and love the sections with Abby exploring. I watch a lot of everyones video's on my tv and don't comment. But know know that I love the content. signed Uncle Terry

[@bwalker4194]

Witness the world’s first $40,000 vise.

[@jeromebishsr.1394]

It is a shame there is not a cell phone holder, you could take a selfie.

[@wilsonlaidlaw]

I cringed when you used that Stillson wrench on your lovely hand made nut on the shaper tool extension. Please either buy a wrench from a vintage tool supplier or make a properly sized open end wrench.

[@TempoDrift1480]

I about cringed when I read this comment.

[@CothranMike]

@@_BLENDRR brass, bronze (in many alloy and reinforced type of drop forged wrenching tools), some alloys used under water work well for non-sparking.

[@chrischapel9165]

​@@TempoDrift1480true

[@dankolar6066]

Respectfully, either it is art or artifact. One is used. The other is looked upon.

[@wilsonlaidlaw]

@@dankolar6066 What????

[@kwk8363]

Seems kinda boring to be, most of the videoslacks that good old vibe. I would rather watch "artisan makes" nowadays. For some reason it has similar vibe to me to the older abom videos.

[@petenikolic5244]

You want Sirens you aint got nothing there from what i have heard . I used to live in a place called Tipton in Sandwell England Over the road from a Pub called the Pie Factory we are on a criss roads there Fire Police Ambulance almost non stop heavily used roads on route to several major hospitals and police stations every few minuets 24/7/365 one of the reasons we moved out to where we are now . if we hear 1 siren a week it is busy

[@Gimblevalve]

The $1,000,000 dollar vise! Platinum edition 👌

[@yambo59]

Possibly the most diffficult and tedious shaper work ever seen in modern time, no room for error but Adams not giving up !!

[@kricketscreations4887]

I would leave the Meatball on top and hex the bottom half so you could have both

[@firesurfer]

I think this is the result of my suggestion of a quick release, but I like this idea better.

[@willb3018]

Great idea.

[@afnDavid]

Put some hex flats on those clamp bolts

[@paulatkins894]

"Let's get it rotated and indicated" Great bumper sticker!

[@matthewchastain136]

Couldn’t a guy have put an indicator on the toolholder and swept vertically to find out if the sides were coplanar.

[@samb3706]

The Pensacola area has a lot of retired military personnel, and unfortunately, they are getting old and having health issues.

[@MikeBaxterABC]

4:10 There's another job for the CNC Lathe and Mill ... !! Make a new screw to replace the old flathead, with a nice big "Allen Key" head on it ... :)

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Definitely need to get yourself a DRO for the old G&E Adam. 👍👍

[@derekkinsella2343]

Its also great to see him been able to work away without one and work thee machine as if if one was there all along 👍

[@geoffkeeler5106]

I assume your non - sparkling wrench is made from beryllium copper (typically 5% 95%), used in areas like mines and others where flammable vapours are found. You can get hammers and even hacksaw blades in this material, and it can be as strong as high tensile steel. It's expensive, look after it! And thanks again for all the excellent videos Adam!

[@daveo.6659]

His non sparking wrench is marked USN probably used on the hanger deck of an aircraft carrier. You don't want sparks in an area where aviation fuel vapors and ordnance are in the same place

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

Last time I saw tools like that I was selling the company a Peristaltic Pump with a Remote Hydraulic Drive for Pumping Nitroglycerin. In this case we swapped out all the fasteners for Aluminium Bronze which is also commonly used.

[@plainnpretty]

It could be from a submarine. WW2 ones had non- sparking tools

[@Crusher9mil]

Regarding the sirens, maybe it has to do with the fact you've got the highest population of golf-carts percapita of any other city you've visited. I don't know how true this is but I've heard it's law you have to own a golf-cart to retire there. 😂

[@SuperDave21]

Adam I really enjoy your videos. Always had a love for precision machining. This vice is quite an investment!

[@danmooney7192]

Nice project! How much is the vise worth when you add in all the man-hours you've put into machining on it?? Be glad all the sirens isn't police activity!

[@scottgroves1010]

I keep watching cause I wanna see you slide the two together and see those two jaws match up? I think the last thing you should’ve machined was the jaw and Jaw inserts.

[@assassinlexx1993]

To keep the meat balls. But put hex on the bottom half. Now what finish/ color . To make it yours.

[@willgallatin2802]

Adam, Port St. Lucie is almost as active. My place as about 4 blocks from the squad building.

[@Dysl3xicDog]

As always the honestly and showing your mistakes helps new guys to understand it happens to the best.

[@rytime700]

Reminds me oddly of something I can't quite put my ho ha on! 😅

[@mazchen]

It will not be the last tool you gonna break. With CNC it's just a question of time ;-)

[@luksan_swe]

Worst cliffhanger ever :)

[@krasbestendig]

New video is up ;)

[@st3althyone]

Don't worry, my friend, Adam thought of that. The new video is out right now!

[@stevesteve6506]

Omg. Adam. Finish that vise already.

[@kevinhewitt1428]

I ran into Abby and your doppelgangers in Mexico a month ago. That Abby was having a blast. Nice folks, like you two, but not you two. They have your youtube info now and loved the confusion. I realized before I approached them, but wanted to explain why I was looking at them longer than normal.

[@Abom79]

I’m so glad to hear that Abby had a great time! I guess we both love vacations! -Abby

[@linuxranch]

Adam, if you go into production on these vises, build a tool that has opposing triangles. The opposing triangles have square notches cut such that a 2 sided square broach can be pushed through on each corner, cutting a square corner. The two triangles have a brass or delrin centering pad that pushes on the rough casting as the triangles are pulled together by a bolt that draws the two wedges together. An index mark on the two wedges will tell you how tight to make the wedges to get exactly the right spread.

[@tsmartin]

Doubtful that he would ever consider doing production runs of this vise. It would be in direct competition with Fireball and no way could he recoup the production costs. These vises are expensive enough as it is.