REVIEW: Kona Honzo ESD experiMENTAL - Rock N Rolll Build - 130mm, 64* Singlespeed Slayer

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3 жыл бұрын

Recently I made a few changes to the Kona Honzo ESD including a shorter fork, shorter cranks, and I set it up singlespeed. Did I ruin a great bike, or make it even better? In this episode we experiment and learn.
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@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
A few thoughts: 1) On the original honzo review, I complained of the low bb with 175mm cranks. Even though this has an even LOWER bb with 170mm cranks, when you ride a bike like this singlespeed, you actually have far fewer pedal strikes because you're covering more ground with each revolution of the cranks. That's why I didn't complain about the bb being too low in this video. I'm sure if I had 12 speed back on it, I'd be pedal-striking everywhere. 2) Ideally, I'd put a 20mm spacer between the head tube and the crown to keep the tall bars and a higher bb (at the expense of a 63* head angle). 3) This was a super fun experiment. I learned a lot and had a lot of fun. 4) This is the first bike I've fit on with a 170mm dropper post, and it is a game changer. So few companies are offering short seat tubes on their bikes. What a difference it made! 5) The new 2021 honzo st might be an even better fit for me. I hope to get my hands on one to review it.
@AdamMartinezTheEntomologist
@AdamMartinezTheEntomologist 3 жыл бұрын
What is the head angle now that you've changed the travel? I'd guess it's closer to 66 now?
@jhuanger
@jhuanger 3 жыл бұрын
Was just about to ask about bb height so good to know about single speed vs 12. Edit - I don’t think #2 is possible? The crown of the fork needs to go right up against the cup that holds the bearings, no?
@ohiomoto
@ohiomoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@jhuanger The lower headset cup IS the spacer. You pop the stock one out and put the longer one in. Woof Tooth makes them.
@jhuanger
@jhuanger 3 жыл бұрын
@ohiomoto I see. But that’s only available if you don’t have a tapered head tube, and don’t have an integrated headset, right? Otherwise the cup is actually in the head tube? Or is there a way to remove the integrated headset in the head tube?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
@@AdamMartinezTheEntomologist 64*, as stated in the video
@BuildaBetterBike
@BuildaBetterBike 3 жыл бұрын
Found your channel through Old Shovel. There's several things that are impressive. 1 - how much you can say about a bike frame! 17 minutes of content about something so simple, and all relevant and helpful. 2 - Channel logo and branding. 3 - the fact that you can pedal uphill and carry on a dialogue without sounding out if breath! Also, this frame sounds very interesting. Thanks for the video.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel and thanks for the kind words. Rob is a good dude. We'll be seeing more of him on the channel soon.
@waynescottturner
@waynescottturner 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm more a child of the eighties, every time I hear your intro music, I just can't help but smile. It's so '90s!!!
@waynescottturner
@waynescottturner 3 жыл бұрын
@@ironworm26 I could see that. I'm actually a 70s/80s kid but my GF is 90s, and she kept hearing it from the other room when I was cruising through your videos and she thought it was from some 90s MTV show she used to watch but couldn't remember what one. Keep up the excellent content!
@waynescottturner
@waynescottturner 3 жыл бұрын
@@ironworm26 Um, okay. 🤷‍♂️
@bigshan5806
@bigshan5806 3 жыл бұрын
I love being a patron. Why u ask? Just watch hardtail party. Steves is trying out new ideas, giving honest reviews, having fun, and most importantly being a solid dude who's giving you the viewer a supercool hardtail channel. As always HP u did another cool review on a experiMental project. 👌👌👍👍
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the support BigShan, I really appreciate you chiming in and being part of the patreon community.
@bigshan5806
@bigshan5806 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty no worries mate, anytime.
@jeffreydzialo
@jeffreydzialo 3 жыл бұрын
This is the review I've been waiting for! I've got to find one to demo. Thanks, for your attention to detail, as always!
@shaunroach7829
@shaunroach7829 3 жыл бұрын
As a single speed enthusiast what a great video!!!!!! Great job Steve!!! It’s always fun to see you experiment and put the bike through its paces!!! 💪💪💪🤘🤘🤘👍👍👍
@joshuawagner4872
@joshuawagner4872 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for always answering comments, reacting to instagram posts and just helping your community. You are the best!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I love interacting with other hardtail afficionados. I have the best viewers.
@adamgroves2811
@adamgroves2811 3 жыл бұрын
I ran a Kona Cowan single speed for a while, it was a blast and silent before the days of clutch rear mechs. After a day in the Surrey Hills I also needed to recover so I'm happy to find out I'm not the only one. Great channel Steve.
@19OXAM
@19OXAM 3 жыл бұрын
So, I got the new ESD after taking a break from riding after falling pretty bad 10 years ago. The moment I got on this bike to test ride it, I fell in love. Super smooth and comfortable to ride. I have had to adjust my riding style to fit this bike but am getting more comfortable the more I ride it. Still tweaking my body position and loving every ride. Still cannot manual but bunny hops are getting easier the more I practice. I grew up on BMX bikes, so maybe that’s why I love it so much. Love bombing down steeper hills as it’s really comfortable! Just watched the other video on modern riding techniques, which seems to be helpful and will continue to practice!! Thanks for the video!!
@BlindCoyoteArt
@BlindCoyoteArt 2 жыл бұрын
I recently upgraded from a '21 SP Rockhopper, got a small 2021 Kona Honzo ST 29er with a 130mm Fox 34. Loving the new build!
@sixbikes6125
@sixbikes6125 2 жыл бұрын
After spending much time pondering what bike to get, I discovered your channel and watched your Honzo videos. Long story short. I now own a Honzo... P.S. Your videos are awesome!
@colindixon9543
@colindixon9543 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Steve, I took your advice about putting more weight over the front , it has enabled me to be much faster especially on non berm corners and in control through deep British mud. Horrible riding conditions are lots more fun.
@jonsalcido8322
@jonsalcido8322 3 жыл бұрын
I have been running the same set up for awhile now. Kona unit ss. Great post and well said. 🤙
@nathankossak1858
@nathankossak1858 3 жыл бұрын
Saw the thumbnail and started drooling...looks like a hell of a good time. Sedona is the best place for that kind of SS in my opinion.
@tmwei396
@tmwei396 3 жыл бұрын
I had a SS for while. The time that I had it I loved it. I switched between having a suspension fork and full rigid. I learned to love the simplicity of a SS. Also I'm able to focus on the trails coming up so I can plan when to speed up for a climb and not have to worry about being in the correct gear. Just grind and go.
@Theriver56
@Theriver56 3 жыл бұрын
This is really awesome, has me wanting to upgrade my frame!
@DODGERDISCIPLE
@DODGERDISCIPLE 3 жыл бұрын
Man! I REALLY appreciate this video! I have the Honzo ESD on order and the 150 fork is really the reason why I did not get a complete ( just freaked me out) and just ordered the frame. I’m going to put a Helm on and 130 was what I was thinking as far as travel goes and I am beyond grateful to you for going Ginny-pig mode for someone like me. Even as a 35 year bike industry vet here in AZ, it’s good for someone else to go experimental mode other than myself! Haha! I’ll hit you up when I get it finished and these Tucson trails have ZERO chance. Cheers!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Honeybee will never be the same. ;) This thing will rip out at 50 year and lemon.
@mattcardarelli
@mattcardarelli 3 жыл бұрын
Love the channel!!! Huge fan from Indianapolis. I have more fun on my Trek Stache than any other rig in my fleet. Your knowledge of bikes is extraordinary,, you’re opinionated and its refreshing. Thank you.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt! The stache is such a cool bike. I'm so sad they're discontinuing it. I would have loved to see a modern version of it.
@beneaton9635
@beneaton9635 3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Nelson BC! Your channel helps keep me connected to Sedona. Hope to see you on the red rock post COVID-19... excellent HT reviews!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Nelson sounds pretty nice right now! Send some of that rain our way.
@los1379
@los1379 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who rode singlespeed exclusively for 12 years, you’re right, but there’s more to it. When I started riding fixed off road, I was pushing a slightly taller gear than I was with a freewheel, but there was, by necessity, a higher need for awareness.
@philippedarmon3904
@philippedarmon3904 Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve! Well, at the end my new bike is not a Solaris Max but a Honzo esd. Just because of you, i changed my idea, and... Thank you very very much for your great videos! But imagine that i couldn't wait for the lyrik 150 that arrive and i test this afternoon the esd with my old titanium bike fork, a rigid fork with 490 a to c . And what a surprise, what a good bike like this too! Of course, the pedals (175 crank) are near the ground but the balance is wonderfull and it climbs like a goat whis the chain stays on the shorter position. Underforking an hard core hartail is not a bad idea whith a rigid fork cause the front end never dive. I'm sorry, i would like to send you a photo of the bike like this😉 Philippe from France
@ohiomoto
@ohiomoto 3 жыл бұрын
You're having so much fun on this. Now I want one!! LOL
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
This bike is super special.
@tacosuave558
@tacosuave558 3 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see the review for the 2021 st. Have a 2018 honzo AL with a 130mm fox 34 rhythm that I would love to upgrade the frame to either the new ST or ESD especially now that you can just buy the ESD frame. Thanks for the great content, glad i just found the channel!
@danieltomlinson9667
@danieltomlinson9667 3 жыл бұрын
Went back and forth over this and the new st frame. Went for the st with the 66 head angle. Desperately hope that the new frame has the ride quality that you have described here. Nice review
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same question. I'm betting the rear end is identical between the two. I hope to throw a leg over the 2021 st one day.
@danieltomlinson9667
@danieltomlinson9667 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty they tell me it is two weeks out.....lets hope! If you were anywhere near BC you could take it for a week no sweat.. but... ZERO chance mine will be a single speed
@ericsundell9978
@ericsundell9978 3 жыл бұрын
ahhhh! I can't wait to get my frame finished up. Wheels are hopefully showing up soon? I can't wait to throw a leg over this thing!!!
@benjacobson7490
@benjacobson7490 3 жыл бұрын
I got an old fashioned hardtail and rented a giant reign at angel fire and the modern geo felt weird but by my 2nd lap I was shredding it and loved it
@oldshovel
@oldshovel 3 жыл бұрын
The party bike!
@ohiomoto
@ohiomoto 3 жыл бұрын
This ESD needs a 1994 oldshovel makeover!
@mrldennis
@mrldennis Жыл бұрын
It took a while to get used to the ESD. I dropped the fork to 130mm and a crown spacer and it just clicked for me. Now it fits like a glove and I wouldn’t change a thing.
@adanielweaver
@adanielweaver 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like you could easily save a pound with lighter (and shorter) cranks and cassette. Not so bad. I have a 64 degree Enduro bike and a 66 degree Hardtail (Transition Patrol and Throttle). They seem about perfect for each purpose. I like my hardtail to feel a bit more nimble since when I want to smash through stuff, I ride my Patrol. Just added as a Patron! Love what you do going in depth.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for becoming a patron, I really appreciate it!
@bentravers5075
@bentravers5075 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid!
@reggieringgoldjr68
@reggieringgoldjr68 11 ай бұрын
Steve, I know you always talk about how far you can get the Dropper out of the way. If you haven't tried One Up Components Dropper but, Man is it GAME CHANGING for me. I'm 6'2" and 275 LBS, and that Dropper is KING. RIDE SAFE MY MAN........🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾👍🏾
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 11 ай бұрын
I have a video in it. I love the short insertion length of that dropper. It's not my favorite actuating dropper, but it fits in places that others don't.
@reggieringgoldjr68
@reggieringgoldjr68 11 ай бұрын
@hardtailparty I LOVE them but, I saw a Video yesterday where you just touched on how you didn't like them. I do understand, but I do like how far down they can get. 🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾👍🏾
@duanehundley
@duanehundley 3 жыл бұрын
I would enjoy videos on different trails in Sedona. There are too many trails for the average weekend vacationer. I've been twice and have ridden slim shady to hiline and then hangover trail on another trip. I have no idea what else to ride next time. I think you could make this a local expert channel too. Sedona is turning into a world class mtb destination.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I filmed a guide to Sedona mtb trails for the festival. It's on my channel. I might consider updating that video.
@hambo76
@hambo76 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! Just out of curiosity, how does the Honzo ST compare to the Ragley mmmbop? Also, what did you mean by the handlebars can't save you on a slack bike? Would be good to 'see' what you mean there.
@MozOnBikes
@MozOnBikes 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought as it’s something I’ve been playing with recently. Instead of adding a crown spacer, a higher rise bar is a good alternative. Has the benefit for not changing the stack and reach by leaving the frame geo status quo. Only issue is getting use to the older school 38/40mm riser bar look. Keep up the good work 🤙
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Originally I ran a 40mm bar, but I didn't like the way it steered. So I put the stock bars back on with more spacers under the stem. bar height was the same as stock, but sta, hta, and bb were all changed. Running a crown spacer will keep sta, hta, and bb drop the same as stock, which is a good thing.
@RowdyHonzo
@RowdyHonzo 3 жыл бұрын
Running the 38mm carbon riser bars from Brand-X on my Honzo ST, they're so much fun and still feel compliant. Definitely makes the bike look and feel like an overgrown DJ.
@speedboard.
@speedboard. 3 жыл бұрын
@@RowdyHonzo overgrown DJ in a good way? Thinking this could be a fun big boy DJ bike for me. What fork are you running?
@RowdyHonzo
@RowdyHonzo 3 жыл бұрын
@@speedboard. Absolutely, meaning that it's fun and nimble, but it also doesn't really sacrifice any pedaling ability or normal riding characteristics. I've got a 140 DVO Sapphire on it which honestly feels perfect, I'm sure a Pike would give you a similar result as well. I'll ride it really anywhere from jump lines to flow trails to tech and it takes it all super well.
@robertrobertson7782
@robertrobertson7782 3 жыл бұрын
I am long winded sorry man last comment promise but am geeking out for sure am definitely seeking a Honzo
@adamrossi7010
@adamrossi7010 3 жыл бұрын
Such a great experiment and amazing bike!! I could visibly see you were faster on the Honzo than on the Rurok. Steve, how does the Helm MK2 compare to your MK1? Any noticeable differences? I'm close to pulling the trigger on a Helm for my paradox to run in the 120-130mm range.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I can't feel a huge difference between the helm mk2 and mk1, but I only had the mk1 for a couple weeks. The main difference is ease of maintenance/serviceability.
@chadashton7029
@chadashton7029 3 жыл бұрын
So what do you think about the ESD with a 130mm fork steepening the HT angle to 64° (or 140mm fork plus a +1 angled headset for 64.5°) vs the 2021 Honzo ST and using an angled headset and 150mm fork and slacking it out to 64.5°? Or staying with the intended 140mm fork and rolling at 65°? Torn between these two options. Honzo ST is slightly cheaper but steeper stock so it would limit how slack I could go. Of course, the ESD is opposite and limited on how steep I could go, but who would want to go steeper than 65° anyways. I have a 150mm Pike that I plan to use on whichever frame I get but I'd like to get the upgrade air spring anyways...so it wouldn't be an issue to lower the travel since I'm swapping out springs anyways.
@geoffsimons1235
@geoffsimons1235 3 жыл бұрын
You Sir are a “bad “ influence, I just pulled the trigger on the esd with a helm set up at 130 mm . I don’t know how many times I watched and rewatched your reviews on the esd ,well here goes 👍
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Massive congrats. I hope you love it. If the bb is too low, try a 10-20mm wolftooth spacer above the crown. Leave that steer tube a little long until you dial it in. I'm sure you know that already.
@geoffsimons1235
@geoffsimons1235 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, going to start with 40 mm of spacers under the stem.this is going to be a winter build, my local bike shop is very helpful and anxious to get started .just waiting for the brown santa 😉
@philippedarmon3904
@philippedarmon3904 Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve ! At the end if this video, you speak about the spacers you could add under the head tube, 1 or 2 cm. I found the 10mm spacer but the 20mm, no. Di you have any reference for this spacer, please? Philippe
@skylerdompier938
@skylerdompier938 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Hardtail Party, great videos! Have you given any thought to riding the new version of the Honzo St?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'd love to, but I believe they're all sold out.
@ohiomoto
@ohiomoto 3 жыл бұрын
The BB drop will change roughly 2.5 mm to 3.5mm per 10mm of change in fork length depending on the overall length of the bike, the chainstay length and front center measurement. I think it will be on the lower end of the range on larger frames, and higher end on smaller frames.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I measured it, and it was ~7mm shorter when I went from 150mm to 130mm on this bike. Then I put 5mm shorter cranks. So all in all, my pedals were 2mm closer to the ground.
@ohiomoto
@ohiomoto 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty Awesome. I edited my post to be more accurate. I'm sure some engineer out there will tell me how far off I am. haha
@TheFatSteez
@TheFatSteez 16 күн бұрын
Set up my Big Al with a 120mm Sid, riser bars and singlespeed. Rides so good. Would love to try a frame with higher BB, stack and slacker HTA with a 120mm fork. The big al geo chart is actually from a 130mm fork so with the 44mm offset of the SID and how high it rides in the travel it works pretty nice. Any idea where to get spacers for under the headtube? That sounds sweet
@tomf2013
@tomf2013 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to fit a 2.6 DHF or DHR II rear on this frame?
@mjgarber1
@mjgarber1 2 жыл бұрын
How many teeth on the chainring and cog on this SS setup? Thanks!
@finnisd1
@finnisd1 3 жыл бұрын
Hi you should try the Ribble HT Ti it’s from England but it’s just as good as the Kona if not better we’ll worth a look 👍
@JimmyJamesonJnr
@JimmyJamesonJnr Жыл бұрын
Just ordered an XL ESD frame but not sure if I'll run a pike 130 or a fox 36 160... BTW the frame was in stock!! How things have changed.
@ninjobrown6868
@ninjobrown6868 3 жыл бұрын
A slacked out single speed, need to try this.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend it. My singlespeed has a 65* hta and I love it.
@SprSonik13
@SprSonik13 3 жыл бұрын
Do it! You won't regret it!
@ninjobrown6868
@ninjobrown6868 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty I bet, my hardtail's a bit outdated. We need to get Norco to send you a Torrent, that may be my next one.
@QUACKERBACKER101
@QUACKERBACKER101 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for video...man your not even breathing heavy.
@NDemanuele1
@NDemanuele1 3 жыл бұрын
HP, how do you setup your gearing for single speed so you can climb and pedal efficiently? Is there a rule of thumb? Also, if I want to convert an older bike ( from the 90s) to single speed is there a conversion kit you can suggest? Thanks!!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
it depends on the bike, but it's doable. You can run a chain tensioner pulley. I plan on reviewing a few of these solutions and making a video about them in the future. Gearing is location-dependent, so if you can find a local singlespeeder to share their gearing, I'd go with that. I run a 32/20t here in sedona. If I lived in florida, I'd probably run a 32/16.
@miramikes
@miramikes 3 жыл бұрын
10:10 never heard about spacers under head tube ... It sounds interesting ... How does it works? Where I can get some? Great channel BTW ;)
@tonyhruzek4250
@tonyhruzek4250 3 жыл бұрын
How does this compare to the El Roy??
@nathanwhitmire3888
@nathanwhitmire3888 3 жыл бұрын
Question for you, do you find the super steep ST angles, to put the seat in the way when standing climbing technical stuff on the SS builds?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I lower my seat for ss climbs, so it doesn't bother me. But my tall friends do have that issue, ss or not
@philippebenard1075
@philippebenard1075 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve ,was wondering what your thoughts are on coil forks for agressive hardtails. I ordered an esd frame in part thanks to this channel and I’m doing a custom build on it and was considering the cane creek coil fork or marzochi bomber? Should I stick to the air versions ? Also where do I go to become a patron and get some merch ? Thanks for the great content. Best hardtail reviews anywhere!!!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Merch and patron info in video description. Personally, i prefer coil forks on full squish bikes and air forks on hardtails. Since the back isn't plush, i like a poppier, livelier front end (air). No matter how plush the front is, the rear is still going to be bumpy. I'm sure plenty of people will disagree with me, but those are my thoughts.
@johnc5188
@johnc5188 3 жыл бұрын
what setup do you use to convert wheels to single speed? do you have a dedicated hub freehub combo for running single?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I actually have a dedicated rear wheel for ss (I stole it off my ti ss rsd middle child). It's a nukeproof hzn v2 wheel with an hg driver and a 20t wolftooth cog. I'm running 32/20 for sedona. 32/19 would work, but 32/20 is more comfortable.
@Surfratglass
@Surfratglass 2 жыл бұрын
So did lowering the fork raise the hta?
@mybadvideos
@mybadvideos 3 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering whether the 2021 Honzo ST is more like a slacker version of the Honzo ST you didn't love, or is it more of a mini-ESD? Looks like it still has the 'shark fin' seat tube gusset.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder the same thing. I think the 2021 st could be a killer bike. It looks good on paper at least.
@mybadvideos
@mybadvideos 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty Currently I'm thinking that I'm going to try to obtain a 21 or 22 ESD frame later this season. If I can't make my existing 130 bomber Z1 fit I'm thinking about getting a 140 travel Z1. More travel than I currently have and less travel than what you thought was suboptimal.
@Doubledragon0719
@Doubledragon0719 3 жыл бұрын
Just ordered my Chromag stylus, cant wait to see what almost geo similar to the honzo ESD feels😁
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats! Chromag makes beautiful frames, and that geo looks spot on.
@Doubledragon0719
@Doubledragon0719 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty thanks! I Might also try experimenting with less travel for Sedona since it is meant for 150-170 mm. A big thank you for also being the one who shares this experience and knowledge with everyone!!
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS 3 жыл бұрын
Want to try singlespeed on my ESD but running an Oval Chainring... will it work or should I just put my round chainring back on?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
It can sorta work, but i prefer round. Give it a try.
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS
@RESTLESSOUTDOORS Жыл бұрын
Update: been running the oval chainring and singlespeed all spring... no issues whatsoever! Loving it...especially the looks from guys on e-bikes...🤣
@Fixingeverthingwithaengine567
@Fixingeverthingwithaengine567 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to try that frame as a single speed.
@danfrst1
@danfrst1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to try 'mullet' my hardtail 👍 Probably not ideal for the ESD but I think it'll open up mine a bit more!
@bopssingh8832
@bopssingh8832 3 жыл бұрын
Steve, is it worth getting a 210mm dropper over a 180mm? I've bought the esd in a large and have a 180mm OneUp post. Should I have gone for a 210mm?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Get the longest dropper you can fit. No reason not to
@desertromper
@desertromper 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy they that frame?
@MikeKraemer87
@MikeKraemer87 Жыл бұрын
I have always wonder what this bike would be like if you did one of the head cup kits the steepen the HTA, like what would it ride like around 65? Just seems fun to experiment with.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty Жыл бұрын
Probably like a honzo st slackened out a bit. Could be fun.
@briancherbak5047
@briancherbak5047 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone tried this bike set up rigid? Is there a fork with axle to crown length that gets you close enough to 64 hta that the bb doesn't drop too low? Have to go custom fork? Would you snap the head tube? I'd love to know how that rides.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 2 жыл бұрын
What types of trails would you want a 64* hta and a rigid?
@jeff7086
@jeff7086 3 жыл бұрын
How would you put this compared to Paradox V3?
@Morpheas001
@Morpheas001 3 жыл бұрын
Asking the real questions.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Paradox is a better all-rounder. The esd is rowdier and wants to party just a little bit more. For most trails across the US, the paradox would be the better choice.
@bsowhat
@bsowhat 2 жыл бұрын
What gearing are you running?
@cornedoornhein9531
@cornedoornhein9531 3 жыл бұрын
You ride it singlespeed… i would like to see a Rohloff hubb mounted to that bike. Is that something you would try? Simpel maintenance, 14 speed.. just a bit on the heavy side. And would like to hear your opinion. And i think a lot more hardtail enthousiasts in wet conditions out there! 🤘
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
If rohloff wabts to send a drivetrain and wheel, I'd be happy to try it out. I don't have an issue with a simple wide range 10 speed setup either.
@Onecogmike
@Onecogmike 3 жыл бұрын
I have a new rockshox Pike ultimate 150mm, I9 305 wheelset, assegai and aggressor tires, raceface bars and crankset, sram gx drivetrain and new shimano xt brakes but ESD frame hasnt come in yet. I'm very jealous
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Don't be too jealous, I had to send mine back to kona. You get to keep yours. :)
@datdudeinred
@datdudeinred 3 жыл бұрын
Please please for the love of hardtails compare this with the new marin el Roy that you are going to review... Btw when can we get blessed with that review??
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I just barely released the first look video. I need more than a couple rides on that bike before I film a review of it.
@datdudeinred
@datdudeinred 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty yeah ofc you take your time bro. I was just going to get marin but then again I'm a much heavy rider 102kg 6.1ft tall, that's why i thought it might be too supple like you said that's why I'm confused
@jeremyrobinette2563
@jeremyrobinette2563 Жыл бұрын
I kind of want the 2022 purple one. Not sure it’s worth the $3,000 for me at the moment though.
@va941
@va941 3 жыл бұрын
You just sold this bike to me...now then...hmm....850€ for the frame set...going to try and find the rest of the build second hand and on sale.
@carlchloeadventures4482
@carlchloeadventures4482 3 жыл бұрын
what dropper post would you recommend?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge fan of the 9point8 fall line R and the bikeyoke revive.
@velomech8139
@velomech8139 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to run an angle set, reversed in that head tube? I'm on the hunt for a frame that can be used as a Dirt Jump bike for tall people. would be cool to be able to lengthen reach and steepen head angle for that application.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, definitely possible. The reach won't be super noticeable, but the wheelbase and the head angle will be
@velomech8139
@velomech8139 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty thanks Steve, The Konas have a proper pressed in head set, correct?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
@@velomech8139 The Honzo ESD does, but not all konas do.
@velomech8139
@velomech8139 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty thanks mate
@jonk6055
@jonk6055 3 жыл бұрын
First? Love your style dude
@mybadvideos
@mybadvideos 3 жыл бұрын
Just put a HT party sticker over the graphics you don't like, eh? ;) If I get this frame, I will probably put a Kingdom Trails sticker directly over the 69/420! ;)
@tomf2013
@tomf2013 3 жыл бұрын
A shame this bike doesn't have room for 2.5-2.6 in rear. I'm curious how it would ride with a 140 fork and +1 angle-set. If that would make it more well rounded.
@lightningshredder5605
@lightningshredder5605 Жыл бұрын
It doesent?
@marcosmadrazo2440
@marcosmadrazo2440 3 жыл бұрын
🍻
@SprSonik13
@SprSonik13 3 жыл бұрын
160mm coil on a SS Alu Chameleon hardtail is my go to bike. It's right around 64.5 HTA . People who haven't ridden aggressive SS hardtails are missing out.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to get another chameleon and ride it with a 130mm fork and a -1.8* slack-r. I don't want the sta any slacker, or the bb any higher. The chameleon is a very special bike. Wouldn't a 160mm fork put it at 65.5*?
@SprSonik13
@SprSonik13 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty mullet on 29er dropouts. Measured it and got 64.5. Measured my Yeti SB 5.5 at the same time and got the expected HTA for that one, so I assume it's accurate. This might be my favorite of all your videos to date. Nailed the subtlety of "no right bike for everyone" while perfectly explaining why this might be the one for a niche rider.
@SprSonik13
@SprSonik13 3 жыл бұрын
Your review of the chameleon is part of why I bought mine way back when. So thank you!
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, that makes sense! Yeah, I love the chameleon. I can't wait to get another one someday
@Max-xl3ml
@Max-xl3ml 3 жыл бұрын
IMO single speed makes a lot of sense on a bike like this. If you're going to tackle really rough stuff on a hard-tail why would you want a derailleur as a point of failure. Also definitely agree about stand-over and dropper posts, every bike should be designed to take a 170-200mm dropper in every size especially when even the longest travel droppers out there have max insert lengths less then 400mm. Even at my height I'm sort of frustrated with seat tube lengths as a lot of modern xl bikes have the reach I want but way to long seat-tubes for my saddle height. I personally have no need for a seat-tube longer than 16 - 16.5 inches.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Great feedback! I'm always wondering if I prefer more dropper drop just because I'm short. Its appalling how long seat tubes still are on a lot of bikes.
@mellissanash7517
@mellissanash7517 3 жыл бұрын
How are you like those Ehlines?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
They're not my favorite in Sedona, but i think they'd be fantastic in more loamy conditions. Could be a great pnw tire.
@mellissanash7517
@mellissanash7517 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty Good to know, thank you. I'm in a different part of the desert so that seems like no for where I ride. Do you think you can also test out a Kona Unit SS?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
You might like 'em. I just don't love them on slickrock sidehills.
@robertrobertson7782
@robertrobertson7782 3 жыл бұрын
HTP what is your Email if I may? You are killing it as I have been watching the RM Growler, Canfield Nimble 9 and now this one especially in SS you must be a Brother from another mother ha ha😂
@Morpheas001
@Morpheas001 3 жыл бұрын
Initially you were saying how stiff the frame was and how it was beating you up. What changed your mind? Was the Rurok so stiff it made everything else not so bad?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I don't remember saying the honzo esd is stiff, it's a very comfortable frame. The rurok was stiff.
@Morpheas001
@Morpheas001 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty It seems you're right, your review mentioned it was better than the older Honzos, so I must have been thinking about the ST you reviewed
@johnsonjay60
@johnsonjay60 3 жыл бұрын
This Honzo your favorite? I hear u mention it alot.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
No
@johnsonjay60
@johnsonjay60 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty what is?
@ADVENTUREAROUNDTHEBEND
@ADVENTUREAROUNDTHEBEND 3 жыл бұрын
How about a hard tail MULLET!?
@deandiamond2519
@deandiamond2519 3 жыл бұрын
The real question is how many times have you hit cactus on that trail?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Too many to count.
@lukesteele5013
@lukesteele5013 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please please please do a mullet build
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
I did one with the rurok kanlaon review. In my experience, mullets really only have benefits on fast, steep, twisty terrain. I don't ride much bike park, and I don't shuttle much, so a 29/29 makes more sense for where i ride.
@lukesteele5013
@lukesteele5013 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty ok makes sense. If I ever get a hanzo esd I might try it out for fun
@jeffdana9402
@jeffdana9402 3 жыл бұрын
Steal is real? I wonder how this bike would be if it were aluminum?
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
It'd definitely be lighter.
@dolphin-studio
@dolphin-studio 2 жыл бұрын
so is modern geometry = efficient geometry.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 2 жыл бұрын
No. It's more suited for fast downhill riding.
@iiosoyich
@iiosoyich 3 жыл бұрын
Such an awesome channel! How can i make a paypal donation? I may consider a Patreon consultation subscription too. One Q - Cotic Solaris MAX vrs Honzo ESD....who wins? I think we have a similar riding styles. I'm 100% steel right now running a 2013 Honzo with Stans FlowMk3 + Formula 35 140mm fork and a El Mariachi SS running a 100mm Rockshox.
@irockuroll60
@irockuroll60 3 жыл бұрын
People are going to be mad about this bike? Naw, ppl just won’t buy it
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Considering it's sold out, i think there's more demand than people think.
@irockuroll60
@irockuroll60 3 жыл бұрын
@@hardtailparty I was simply quoting you “that ppl would be mad about this bike.” I don’t think a bike is something to get mad at. Instead of getting mad at this bike or anything other bike, it would be easier to buy another bike. I have 4 Kona’s btw...love em. I’m not mad at this bike
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
100% agree.
@Dryb1as
@Dryb1as 3 жыл бұрын
Single speed is bad idea. Not for that type of bike.
@hardtailparty
@hardtailparty 3 жыл бұрын
Explain
@chrro466
@chrro466 3 жыл бұрын
Please do explain !!!!!
@Dryb1as
@Dryb1as 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrro466 If you want ride mountain bike without gears only with one chain ring, riding uphill is very hard and downhill is too slow. Single speed is ok for city bike when you riding on roads and bike paths. I can't imagine how to climb on single speed when I normal use 46 t cog and 32 t chainring.
@guipol112
@guipol112 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dryb1as you make a mistake... Single speed is better on single trails with short climb and technical downhill. On the other hand, single speed is a bad idea on flat road.
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