DON'T Use Raspberry Pis for Servers! (Use THIS)

[@nicolas.predella]

The main issue i ran into with non-Pi devices is poor support: devices which on the paper look interesting end up being unusable because they only run OK on an arm debian from 1999...

[@rohrbacher1]

When did Debian stable make it to '99!?

[@elmestguzman3038]

I sounded like a good alternative until you mention the 100mb networking and the GPIO that doesnt match raspberry pi layout. total deal breakers for me. I think a better performance comparison would be the Pi 3B. When available Thepihub has is for $42. Nice review really enjoy your videos.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah I considered that comparison but couldn’t even find a pi3b available anywhere other than used

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

i would say yes but the zero 2 (w) is the 3b in smaller form factor , just none available :(. was around 20 Canadian. sadness.

[@qwerty13380]

What exactly did you want to use this for where you would need 1Gb Ethernet?

[@troosimimimmi]

yeah its developed for music streaming purposes. it doesnt need fast lan. actually fast lan introduces noise and less compatibility.

[@gg-gn3re]

yea these are clearly pi2-3 power. Plenty of good boards from pine boards, friendly elec, and orange pi that are the same/better than pi4.

[@kekistanifreedomfighter4197]

For me what stands out is the hardware decoding for modern high efficiency video codecs like h256, vp9, and especially av1 since it's so new.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah the AV1 caught me off guard. Wish I had a good way to actually test it

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

@@HardwareHaven could be a future video once you find some task using AV1?

[@nathanbrown492]

@@HardwareHaven yes please. If possible some good real-life benchmarks too. Perhaps try to decode a real-time stream as well as normal. I would recommend looking at the TomsHardware "AMD GPUs still lag behind Nvidia, Intel (Updated)" dated 9 March '23. You'll see that how good a codec is depends entirely on how good the encoder is done, not really the complexity of the codec.

[@shaitan9204]

A lot of KZbin videos are now using AV1 so that might be a good way to test.

[@goku445]

Great on a headless server, lol.

[@thewiirocks]

I think the real winner turns out to be the Orange Pi 5. Only slightly more expensive than the VIM1S, faster than the Pi 4, plenty of I/O, and support for M.2 drives. You can also swap built-in Wifi and Bluetooth for the M.2 by getting the 5b. But for server uses, I would generally recommend the original OPI5.

[@gpsoftsk1]

Is it able to decode H265 4k videos?

[@thewiirocks]

@@gpsoftsk1 Yes

[@gpsoftsk1]

@@thewiirocks That's good then. Is it also supported by libreelec / coreelec?

[@SbiriJJ]

it cost double, no sense to compare.

[@thewiirocks]

@@SbiriJJuntil recently, they've been pretty competitive as the only RPis available have been vastly overpriced. Now that they're becoming more available again, the two are still somewhat comparable. A 4gb RPi4 is $55 while an OPi5 4gb is $80. 8gb is $75 vs $100 respectively. And 16gb is... only available on the Orange Pi 5. 😉

[@AI-xi4jk]

I like your calm and unbiased presentation. You keep it interesting without having to resort to cheap KZbin tricks like talking very fast or shouting or other things. 👍

[@HardwareHaven]

That means a ton! Thanks 😊

[@June18887]

For me, it wasn't unbiased. Why didn't he compare it to a pi 3?

[@HardwareHaven]

@@June18887 because I don't have one and they're still pretty dang expensive

[@3waver]

Agreed, I can’t stand listening to that other channel with that red bearded, fast talking , try hard hipster. Too bad, because he covers raspberry pi stuff that interests me. Your presentation is much more informative.

[@xianglongchen3088]

The comment is to the point.

[@brian2590]

I bought some Khada's boards around 2017. The flashing tool at that time was highly confusing and in Chinese, if that was not frustrating enough it required Microsoft windows. Flashing was a process that took many attempts. you would literally waste hours of you life. While the hardware was impressive compared to the RPI3 at the time the Khada's VIM was tossed in a box where it's sat for 5 years. It is good to see they have integrated an onboard flashing OS. I may consider them again.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah, I didn't mess with the windows flashing tool at all. I probably should've, but at the same time, I was able to do everything I needed with their oowow flashing tool, so I feel like that's good enough haha

[@davocc2405]

I ran a Pi 2 for quite some time with 100mbit Ethernet (the adaptor is on the USB bus on that system) and also USB-2 connected spinner hard drives. Functionally it worked within requirements - it was able to serve and exceed streaming speed requirements to watch video on a PC that was read directly from the device, the OS handled contention rather well so slowing down to a point of impeding serving (on SAMBA) was surprisingly rare. I found it stable and workable, the only reason I moved it onto another function was the appearance of the Rock64 which had a USB-3 and had gigabit ethernet on a proper bus of its own; software was remarkably weak on this platform as Pine were comparatively freeloading off the community at the time (according to some insiders). I find that manufacturers who focus too much on android do it to the detriment of everything else; that said some manufacturers are outsourcing their OS development to DietPi or Armbian which is a superb way to handle the problem, the OS development there is generally quite good and their update and maintenance processes are well run. But if your objective is an always-on server that can do slave-functions both these might work. Examples of "slave functions" include file serving on a basic/standard level, download-mule functions running an Aria2 service to perform large scale downloads in the background leaving your browser and workstations free to do their thing without even having to be turned on, an absolute Godsend for slower connections, large files or kicking things off before you leave for work or go to bed.... There's a wild number of other things that both of these can perform as their projects were developed for even earlier and less featured eras of SBCs.

[@manicmarauder]

After seeing how well this held up against the Pi4, now I kinda do want to see their more powerful version. I do think the different gpio was a bit of a misstep though.

[@Nik930714]

Maybe the Pi 3 Model B or B+ would be a better comparison. The Zero originally started as a super low cost PC (it was $5 when it came out) and the prices are currently high because of lower supply and scalpers. According to an interview with Raspberry's CEO, the supply problems with the Zero and the 4 should be resolved by the end of the year and I expect prices to drop like a rock. With all that being said, I'm not trying to hate on the video, just trying to be constructive. I do agree with all the the other cool stuff about the VIM1S and I think it looks like a cool SBC. As someone who designs purpose built SBC for a living, its always nice to be introduced to a new general purpose SBC manufacturer.

[@contonium365]

i think that as soon as they lower the base cost the demand will go crazy and make it rise back up for another few months

[@madson-web]

2024 is here and they are still expensive. As the other person said, it is more likely demand will even grow up. I'm pretty sure prices won't go down any time soon.

[@Nik930714]

​@@madson-webYeah my comment has not aged all that well. How the time flies i could have sworn this was like 4 mounts ago. Still they are not as scaled as before and there is some available supply, at least where i live. This goes doubly for the CM4 modules. So while the timeline is not what i envisioned, i think its heading in the right direction.

[@madson-web]

@@Nik930714 Yeah it does but, 7 months already wow.

[@LeoLijo]

The thing with these rpi alternatives is that there is always something that completley ruins it, if its a lack of ethernet or just software support but i dont know if there is any arm sbc thats actually a raspberry pi replacement, x86 sbcs are a good alternative tho because they are often more powerful, have sata or even pcie but they are more expensive than arm sbcs which also kinda ruins it for some people, tho spending more money on a x86 based sbc is a wayyy better deal than buying a raspberry pi right now I dont know, if you wanna use sbcs for a homelab probably the best thing is to use a rpi if you already have it from before or buy an x86 sbc, or just actually buy a used mini office pc or an old pc and use that

[@timecubed]

I feel like _if_ a SBC came out that acted as a drop in replacement for a rpi then the rpi foundation might try to chase after it. If a drop in replacement is made, and was cheaper than current rpi models, it would probably ruin the company and completely destroy it, so it's probably in their best interest to make sure that doesn't happen. Though that's entirely speculation on my part.

[@evilcoleslaw]

LibreComputer also has the ROC-RK3328-CC (Renegade) 2GB RAM variant for only $5 more than Le Potato. USB 3 and gigabit. Replaced a dead Pi3 B+ with one and am very happy. No onboard BT/Wifi though.

[@yjk_ch]

RPi 4 does have ability to boot from internet when OS is not present(It boots into OS installation program), which if I remember correctly, can be also entered by holding Shift during boot. But still, having recovery system on the board itself is really nice on VIM1S. And on Pi 4, you also have to wait for Pi to download boot image from the server.

[@Comm0ut]

Your other videos convince me that I don't need one of those for a file server when I can score various much ballsier thin clients and tiny desktops used and ready to go. Between Hardware Haven and STH used business class hardware looks mighty good.

[@jonathanmarshall3974]

Aren't the Le Potato's A53 cores superior to the VIM1S A35? I understand implementation matters (along with LPDDR4 vs DDR3). Please clarify.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

"Superior" is a complicated word. It depends on the power limit. At very low power levels the A35 can outperform the A53. Very low, as in

[@bradygee]

Im looking to run a pi hole for my home network, but im also looking to host a vpn for my foreign close friends, wondering if i would be able to run the pi hole on the base OS layer then run a vm under that to host the vpn from. Does that sound like it would work? And would the pi hole also eat ads for those connected to the vpn?

[@LibreComputer]

Le Potato is leagues ahead in software running all the latest Linux OSes since it has upstream support. VIM1S uses the S905X4 SoC which will never have good upstream support so in a year, the software will be obsolete. It's already insecure due to lack of Linux updates.

[@SprocketN]

I use a Pi Zero 2W to run a mosquito server and a NodeRed instance as a simple controller for outside lights and a few temperature sensors. In my use case it’s perfect. I’m in the process of extending my NodeRed instance to monitor my heating system too. My programming skills in C++ for the connected ESP32 boards is ‘low’ so I wouldn’t trust my heating control to my current system. I’d have to expand into HA and ESP Now or similar. Initially I bought a a Pi 4, but I realised it was over powered for the job. I’m still deciding what to do with it as the zero is fine at the moment.

[@ed2595]

I used to get the Pi Zero for 9 Euro...darn, inflation goes fast. I stopped the video at 6:20 simply because I still had not heard the price, which is a pretty important factor in choosing to drop the Raspi for it. Had you mentioned it earlier, one would know if it is even worth watching the video

[@XSmile2008]

In my oppinion main point to choose Raspberry Pi over chinese boards, is RPi made in Great Britain and not in China. Support is great and comunity is huge.

[@Daleon1]

My SBC perspective in right now is currently the Zimaboard 832, especially since it's on x86 Architecture. Oh and has a PCI-e slot as well as (2) SATA 6.0 Ports

[@LaLaLand.Germany]

Err... I´m looking for something to do my daily stuff as running Firefox, watching videos and such. No gaming, not even in a browser window. I was looking into mini pc´s but then I found this. Can this do that? Run a gui os and ff?

[@HardwareHaven]

I would definitely go the mini pc route. Something with an Intel or amd cpu will be much easier for what you’re probably looking for. There are lots of good deals on used PCs as well as inexpensive new machines

[@welshtechie6832]

I have the Pi Zero 2W as well but got it at launch. Would be a good option but getting them now.....

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah… it’s brutal haha

[@christelting1359]

I really appreciate this. Currently using a raspberry pi 4 for a firewall but plan on upgrading to a Odroid H3+. But I also want a backup computer for DHCP, local DNS, time server, home assistant, other minor functions on the network. Kind of a set it and forget it.

[@Tore_Lund]

My old trusty Raspberry Pi 1A, which I upgraded with a switch mode 3.3V power supply feeding the board directly, uses around 1/2 W. Ideal for low power battery powered stuff. Obviously not the ideal hub for a media center being slow and lacking a network connector, but otherwise. Idle 100mW, Can't remember the sleep consumption, but I think it is in the 4mW range.

[@ruadeil_zabelin]

For the zero I found that its usually just precompiled binaries that dont take such an older cpu into account. If you build it yourself with a crosscompiler you can usually get it to run just fine anyway.

[@1over137]

These SoCs seem great and are "ok" when you want to run "one" of these 24/7 services. Like a single home assistant. Trouble today is, that expands into Home assistant, node red, influxdb, graphana, mqtt servers and suprisingly the little SoC bandwidth limitations will start to impact. Especially things like Influx and file shares. At some point it becomes far more efficient in time and power to just run a 4th Gen 2010 eWaste desktop as server, idling on 8W but running two dozen different services in docker.

[@michaelkane6797]

Hmm.. I wonder how this + a pi oriented touchscreen would work as a Home Assistant display? With Android on tap as one of the OS options for the VIM1S it might be worth considering.

[@HardwareHaven]

I might try that out as I’m using it still with a touch screen for my macro deck setup

[@callmebigpapa]

I just got my Le Potato running and Ubuntu was too slow so I pivoted to Armbian and it is looking good. Great purchase for my use case.

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

this seems like a great little SBC I almost bought the potato a while back for making a super cheap NAS till I looked up some reviews on making it a NAS.

[@mniswonger]

It looks like the USB-C port supports USB 2.0 OTG in addition to power delivery, so you could use a USB-C dock to add an Ethernet port without using up the onboard USB port. Not perfect, but an option.

[@FlammableElectronics]

Man 94K!! When I last saw it was like 10K lol. This channel exploded when I left. Good job HH! You finally got what you deserved

[@dave597]

Sadly the price rises are all because of 3rd party sellers reselling, and this is primarily due to lack of availability to the consumer market, and it seems like it will continue this way for the foreseeable future, easily into next year at least. Which is a shame because their original mission was to make rpi available for lots of people for educational purposes, but no longer a realistic option anymore.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

As a German i have just ONE requirement: the LESS power consumption the better. Because energy prices in German are just absolutely insane and getting insaner with each day....

[@n.w.aicecube5713]

less than 2w? have you found any?

[@bluejack5715]

Ich zahle genauso viel wie vor 2 Jahren für Strom. Bitte nicht so fakenews verbreiten in die Welt über unser geliebtes Deutschland!!

[@draculakickyourass]

Half Watt plus or minus won't make you rich or poor,as you pay in KILOWATT/hour ,so if you divide the kilowatt/hour price by 2000, it would resut in a 0,00000......1 cents economy, or about half euro cent per year, LOL. It gives advantage to users like me, as my Pi4 died (from sun heat,car was parked all day in the sun at beach here in Spain) as it was installed on my old car,controlling locking,engine start-stop,air conditoner,remotely from the phone and entertainment for the back seats screens. So,as this one consumes less, is an advantage for me ,being able to not worry of depleting the battery if the car is not used 2-3 days. Thats the best solution i found,because i'm not some brilliant german egineer,but just a humble romanian construction worker.

[@AndreasDelleske]

Not true, we are having less than medium prices in the EU even for residential buildings.

[@carloscervantes836]

My HP Stream laptop running Debian and Pihole seems to avg about 4w, happy I could use it for something interesting as Windows was no longer usable on it.

[@Ben-vk6qp]

I would skip SBCs completely and get a highly efficient small business computer instead. My Fujitsu Q556 that was $100 on ebay draws around 2 watts idle with powertop --auto-tune (headless, nothing connected but ethernet and power, measured at the wall outlet), has much more computing power when you need it with its i5 6500t and comes with much greater connectivity (m2 ssd, two sata ports, gigabit ethernet).

[@jamesdavies686]

I bought a rock64 board for $19 on amazon some years back which is a pi alternative with a quad core and 1GB of RAM, it runs pihole and ddclient just fine and doesn't even register 1w on a kill-a-watt meter without the decimal point revision.

[@jpzv_old]

Tip from someone who works everyday with RPi and alternstives: Don't ever buy a chinese clone/alternative of RPi, even if it's "just" for a server. If you need a small factor computer, either for a server or for a IOT device, you should wait until you can afford an RPi, otherwise you'll be stuck with a slow, unreliable, and unsupported hardware lying around for many types of projects. If yo just need a server, you can get a cheap x86 or x64 old computer for you HomeAssistsnt, Apache/Ngix, or whatever other type of project of your need, and with no or almost none type of problem. And if you have a Power Draw relsted issue, then just use an Android phone for thst lol (jk, in reality, if that's your case, then you should ask yourself if you actually need a server in a first place)

[@whitebeartigtig]

I got a Pi 4 4GB at launch for just £50. given what they're going for, I'm considering just selling it because I don't really have much of a use for a single board machine when I've got an 8 core xeon and 32GB RAM server running proxmox. Still interesting seeing a real competitor though.

[@HardwareHaven]

Yeah same. I actually got a full kit for $40… it’s wild lol

[@KameraShy]

I managed to snatch the same for $55 and thought that price was high.

[@teropiispala2576]

I just bought zeroW's for 12$ and zeroW2's for 18$. There's huge differences on prices because some stores have still their old ripping prices on. I like to use zero's in humidity/temperature sensors since all zigbee sensors stransmit too slowly and Ruuvi tags are expensive and their humidity sensor tends to saturate. I have one controlling my hottub and other on my greenhouse. ZeroW2 controls my heating and measures electricity consumption. I have 3b+ as an stereo to 5.1 expander and subwoofer crossover, another 3b+ controlling my cnc mill and pi5 on my home automation and cloud server.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

I really like the cool and relaxing talk that you have in your videos. I was tired of hearing the red bearded grasshopper on ecstasy on this famous other channel that botches tests and videos... I subbed to your channel, and I have no regrets at all =)

[@4.0.4]

I honestly expected 2.5gb Ethernet from the catchy video title. At 100mb you might as well use smoke signals to transfer data.

[@MatthewHill]

I still remember when Ethernet was 10mbps. Gigabit Ethernet still seems like magic to me.

[@quantum5661]

100mbps is fine in software, but goddamn am i not buying anything that slow

[@4.0.4]

@@quantum5661 yeah, it's 12 megabytes a second in practice. So if you need to transfer a multi-GB file... Might as well go out, walk the dog, enjoy nature, it's the file transfer speed for those who are Zen with life. Call that old relative, have a chat. Those files can wait. Hopefully.

[@ralph4370]

I had 3d printed a 2u rack for 12 pi. For the time, effort and price it came out easier and about same price to buy 2u PC server. For the Rpi (Pre-covid), sd cards, poe hats, poe switch and 3d printer and time. The 2u Ryzen 5 5600x with 64gb ECC and dual nic and 6tb of raid storage came about same and parts were readily avail.

[@vinylSummer]

Which motherboard did you buy for 5600x to use ECC? I tried to find some info on AM4 ECC support but didn't find much

[@Indull]

Haven't watched one of your videos in a while and they have improved tremendously! Hats off to you sir!

[@HardwareHaven]

Man I appreciate that! I'm tryin' haha

[@zeeweenor]

if you need a cheap good android tv box walmart makes one 4k onn streaming box for like 20 bucks if you are in the u.s

[@THEMithrandir09]

6:40 performance per watt would be an interesting metric there.

[@SteveHartmanVideos]

After you buy a few of these, one for each service, why not just set up a tiny PC and run the services on docker or a NAS or proxmox, with room to grow…. That way, you have only one machine to manage and backup, etc. I’m just not seeing the use case of using a bunch of these micro servers, then you have to manage each one separately. What am i missing?

[@youdonegoofed]

Redundancy.

[@justbendev2324]

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[@darkceptor44]

Great video, this shows me that my Orange Pi Zero 2 wasn't the worst purchase compared to the actual Pi Zero, though it sucks compared to even Le Potato, I ran sysbench on it and the results were 502 t1 and 1975 t4 but I can't be mad when it's at least running 8 containers on only 1GB of RAM.

[@fahrimertdincer8421]

Which containers are you runing

[@darkceptor44]

@@fahrimertdincer8421 it changed a bit, now its running: forgejo, homeassistant, caddy, monitor (personal project), adguardhome, linkding, vault (personal project), homepage, flatnotes and nelix (personal project), used to have nginx-proxy-manager and pihole but swapped to adguardhome + caddy recently because they're both made in go and run better

[@janulik9535]

Odroid H3 from Hardkernel is the best what you can actually get. It takes for sure less than 3W idle (I do not know how much because cant measure less than 3W,) It runs standard x86 processor, can handle for example windows 11 easy. Equiped with hdmi, audio ports, usb ports, and the very nice 2x2.5 GiB LAN. A lot of optional accessories, for example network etc. Has M2.nvme.... So...

[@jonspoonamore3721]

Old Net/Admin here... Great video!!! I loved the PI when it came out years ago. It fit the bill for a lot of projects. But IMO.... These days it better and mostly-cheaper to re-purpose old PCs for Server Builds. That's unless you really need the physical specs of a PI-type system. I can't stand to not have the ability to install a card(s) to have a needed feature(s) in a server build.

[@mchlbk]

Old PCs are too power hungry.

[@tohaason]

I use Rasperry Pi model 3 boards as CUPS servers for printers. A board with that kind of power, or just slightly more, higly reliable, and doesn't need any of the fancy high-performance 4k display stuff, but with Ethernet (100Mb is enough) and *good* sensitive wi-fi is all I'm looking for. With the ease of setup (write Debian-based image (e.g. like Raspbian), apt-get install what I need, run and forget) and 'm all set.

[@danieldewindt3919]

Hee dat klinkt lekker man. Waar kan ik naar je muziek luisteren? GPU is de Graphics Prosessing Unit in je Videokaart De CPU is de Computer Prosessig Unit waat je OS op draait. Thanks for sharing

[@thdvinh]

I have skipped RPi for long time (since ~2y ago) when doing DIY projects. An old NUC gen 6 is a very good solution: easily purchased and upgradable, very stable (for my purpose).

[@ArtemisKitty]

To be fair, the Pi Zero W is only priced that high because it has been phased out and is becoming scarce. Th Pi Zero 2 W is available for $15 and has a quad core 64bit CPU more comparable to the Pi 3b. I would be curious how this compares, and if the 2GB vs 512MB RAM is significant enough to decide based on that.

[@HardwareHaven]

Available where? I can’t find any listed as in stock other than listings with the price jacked way up

[@dvdragon]

This is a great review. Thanks for the benchmarks and including the power draw. Great job!

[@misterhat5823]

Nothing like a paid review...

[@dvdragon]

@@misterhat5823 Hate more.

[@EraYaN]

They all have the same software availability problems though, the Amlogic SoCs are better than some for that but even then, the RPi foundation does a ton of work keeping it well supported and it shows.

[@slabua]

Would have been nice to see the comparison with the Pi Zero 2W

[@sevenfacedsin]

Where are you getting the power consumption numbers from? I have my 4b at sub-.5 watts and running on a dinky little solar panel.

[@HardwareHaven]

Using a USB power adapter plugged into a “Kill-a-watt” wattage meter. I used the same adapter for each board.

[@Davidgon100]

Is the Pi worth it over this if you can get it at MSRP? My local microcenter just got a huge restock on rpis

[@Marshall1914]

Could you do a video on the ROCKPro64 to be used as a NAS.

[@DanielBrotherston]

I'm trying to compare performance wise my system (atom) to your tests, what settings did you run sysbennch with?

[@rstcologne]

The vim boards are great hardware wise. However the software support is abysmal. It's good at the start but they drop supporting the boards very early. While I can still get current operating systems for my Pi3s or even older devices and do useful thigns with them, my Vim 2 is effectively useless. The amazing long term software support the PIs get, is way too often overlooked when comparing SBCs.

[@kristianjensen753]

Thanks for the great video 😁 I have just started using Home Assistant and I am running that on a Raspberry Pi 3. It is running ok, given that I do not yet have many devices that it controls. I will, of course, have to upgrade at some point. Would you think that the VIM1S would make a good upgrade from the Pi 3?

[@kuhndj67]

So IMO the big draw for home server is routing/firewall. IMO the dual gige pi board (DFRobot IIRC) with CM4 is REALLY hard to beat. Not only runs OpenWRT for routing and firewall... but also easily handles running the Home Assistant docker container for home automation. All for less than 4 watts in operation... that was so compelling for me I retired my esxi server on a 1u box.

[@WahrerKuroKiba]

0:08 what the fuck happened to the prices I'm so happy I bought a bunch of them back in the day even though I did not really have a use case for them at that point (but now I do)

[@jumpmaster5279]

23 sec, because i know where to find quality content

[@andreacaproni9305]

11:27 Fun fact: I used a notebook as my first server and the integrated gigabit port tended to disconnectquite often... but the pc had only usb 2.0, i bought a TP-Link adapter and it turned out to be a full-gigabit connection... on usb 2! Never expected this

[@breakfast7595]

It isn't possible to have GbE over 2.0 because the max speed of 2.0 is 480 MBPS tops. That sounds more like a driver issue with the inbuilt NIC.

[@andreacaproni9305]

@@breakfast7595 tne notebook is the Acer Extensa 5230 (Not E). It comes from 2009 and it has only 3 usb 2.0 but gigabit adapter works fine... Don't ask me why 😂

[@vencdee]

@@breakfast7595 The board is lowcost shit, that's the problem. The eth chip as well the old spare parts.

[@gryg666]

Cool device, but after trying to figure out what got the best performance to watt ratio, I've ended with Dell Wyse 5070 (so x86 architecture). Just buy version with J5005 quad code celeron, put SSD to m.2 port and a stick of ddr4. This thing idles at 5W, and pulls 7W in stress!!! In terms of performance, it will crush any pi alternative.

[@nivekking8198]

What OS are you running? How much memory? 2x8gb?

[@gryg666]

@@nivekking8198 I'm running ubuntu server with 2x4gb memory

[@enrico999100]

Out of curiosity, how would it perform with jellyfin? More or less in the same league of the pi4?

[@HardwareHaven]

I don't believe there's hardware transcoding support. I imagine it would work okay for direct streaming of lower quality video.

[@CannedNoodles]

15:56 the like button lights up when he says, "like." How long has this been a thing?

[@davidsalvador8989]

I use to love and be so excited by Raspberry pi business model. Now im a bit disappointed. Yes I am sure it has its specific use case however IMHO they are few and far between. I will just get a used laptop from a garage sale for 10 bucks and have a computer that is more powerful, less expensive, runs linux if I want, lets me code, has a built in monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse, comes with power supply, etc, etc.

[@Dorff_Meister]

Interesting... but the down-sides are kind of a bummer, tho. I used to run lots of services from multiple RPis. I bought a couple NUC-like systems, installed Proxmox, and have never been happier. I run most my my services with docker-compose (on LXC (Proxmox container), when possible) and for things like Home Assistant, running as a VM is a huge benefit because I can make snapshots before upgrades (and rollback if the upgrade fails). Yeah, it's not exactly in the same price category, but if you buy a few of these or RPi's, you could have had NUC-like (assuming you don't need GPIO and don't mind MUCH, MUCH faster IO).

[@matthewjenkins1161]

Why was this done with the original single core Pi Zero, when the quad core Pi Zero 2 was out well over a year earlier?

[@HardwareHaven]

Because at the time of filming they were either out of stock everywhere or over $100. I used what I had available

[@lifesworn9413]

Wondering if this device could drive a 4k display, kinda wanna use it as a thin client for my gaming server.

[@kattz753]

This is the same processor as the Chromecast for Google TV. It's probably the GPU and I'm sure that Google optimized the hell out of it. The Le Potato really should ship with a bottle of Aspirin. You're gonna need it.

[@markconger8049]

I’m really disappointed at new boards that do not have either a SATA port or an M.2 slot. It has become excruciatingly obvious that users of SBCs often use them for a server and USB3, eMMC, and SD card storage options are not going to suffice.

[@bagblah8409]

Hey, love your videos. Are you able to get Debian images onto this? Wondering because in order to get home assistant supersized set up, it seems that it will not run on an Ubuntu image, even in a docker container.

[@Dwykid1]

It'll probably work, but probably not out of the box using their image installer. Looks like Ubuntu only. But from a hardware standpoint, if Ubuntu will work, debian will. It just might need slightly more work.

[@TheChemicalWorkshop]

even with our 40c/KWH electricity i guess used mini pc is the better option unless you need a ultra small form factor

[@breebw]

This is ideal for me. I need some in house "web servers" that act as management units that receivers of data from various sensors. I am using both ESP32 and Raspbery Pi pico as the sensor brains and to send data. But these units are to weak to act as a webserver, and Pis are either unavailable or to Expensive. In New Zealand a Raspberry Pi is available as a bundle, so are paying $300 and up. That a Pi4 4gb.

[@ruediix]

For the Apache bench you need to recompile to get it to run on the Pi Zero. I know, not the kind of thing you want to do for a quick test. Furthermore, the fact that you have to recompile, means you are removing hard-coded optimizations for the faster chips in the other boards which means it will score bad. This goes for any program that won't run. Chances are if it doesn't come compiled with the ability to turn off newer model optimizations it is for a reason, which is typically that performance without said optimizations is unsatisfactory.

[@SaxaphoneMan42]

Are there any SBCs with the same GPIO layout as a pi? I thought that was a legality thing more than competitors not wanting to do it thing. could be wrong about that though. I think odroid has a really similar GPIO, but I don't think its 100% compatible.

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

The potato says it's identical to RPI 3B. I assume RPI 4 is the same?

[@tim_vtr4315]

Thx Hardware Haven for this video, Love it

[@MikkoRantalainen]

11:45 I think you should use fio for I/O benchmarks instead of hdparm.

[@timbukett7317]

Hello this is great video. Are you able to check the power consumption and performance on VIM3L with the S905D3 SOC? thx

[@xmlthegreat]

It's not just the price hikes... I've not seen a reliable listing for a Zero or a Pi4 in my country for the last 2 years at least...

[@deterdamel7380]

Randomly picked up something that consumes 2W (RPi Zero W) and compare it to something you like.. very strange decision. And if you don't find a matching docker image for the v6-architecture you can utilize docker to build an image. That's a simple workflow.

[@JeffJackowski]

Your Pi Zero W power consumption seems a bit high. I put a Pi Zero in a battery powered system I made to help photograph a solar eclipse. The Pi and several other gizmos in there, including a voltage and current monitor measuring input from the batteries, consumed around 0.8W when idle. That figure includes more than the Pi. I didn't use a Zero W, but if its little wireless chip used 0.8W it would get very hot. When busy, my software didn't use the GPU and got power consumption up to 1.2W.

[@HardwareHaven]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the accuracy was off, but I did use the exact same outlet, wattage meter, and adapter for each board, so it should be fairly consistent at least.

[@Tonkuz]

Awesome video , very helpful .Do you know any micro computer with built in 4g modem ?

[@HardwareHaven]

No, sorry. That’s not really anything I’ve ever gotten into

[@Tonkuz]

@@HardwareHaven thanks

[@jacquesb5248]

i cant get a pi for over 2 years they havent had stock...pathetic. on amazon website they say 2.0GHz Quad core Cortex-A35 CPU for the vim1s，thats not arm based so pihole wonmt work or am i missing something here?

[@nopadelik9286]

getting a pi is still possible without big efforts and getting ripped of. It's true that one rarely just can order one from stock. But there's some bigger shops which offer to join a community/maker club for free what basically means IF they get stock they will inform you via e-mail etc to give club members the chance to buy one (!) piece per customer, as they only get small numbers and don't want to give their stock to scalpers. Worked for me quite good, waited a month or two and then got a Pi4 4Gb for 65,-€ in january.

[@j.j.oliphant9794]

This could be a good alternative for some of my classroom projects for my students. Its been a paid trying to get my hands on PI's lately.

[@HardwareHaven]

I’m really curious to know: - What you teach - How you use SBCs - How this works out if you try it haha

[@j.j.oliphant9794]

@@HardwareHaven I teach cloud computing at my local high school. I like to go over setting up a traditional web server first before going into cloud tools. for this last school year the project where we used the raspberry pi's to learn linux and setup a simple Wordpress server was by far the best thing we did in the class. The problem is getting my hands on enough raspberry pi's. I really hate funding all unofficial resellers making bank from buying up all the stock and reselling it on Amazon. And I'm working on a classroom budget so I really only get to purchase a few each year.

[@HardwareHaven]

Man that’s so cool

[@baumstamp5989]

the 10/100 mbit lan wouldnt have been a dealbreaker for me if at least it had 2x USB 3.0 i do not think there's a lot of savings being made by going for a 100mbit nic. but that probably also points to a weak i/o performance in general with the bottleneck being much more centralized rather than interface-dependent. my personal opinion is that the banana pi m5 is the more well-rounded option here. still cheaper than raspberry pi. but compared to the vim1s has double the RAM and 4x USB 3.0 and 1GBit LAN

[@1omerfaruk]

Where can I access android tv image? I've been thinking about diy android tv with a nuc for a while but lack of a decent rom for x86 platform is a bummer.

[@HardwareHaven]

For the VIM1S I got it through oowow. Not sure where else as I don’t really do a ton in that space

[@Reza1984_]

Linux on arm is not as stable as x86, I had many issues with my RP4. I would recommend buying an old mini pc, these run silent and with relatively low power consumption

[@RuskiRozpierdalacz]

I just ordered odroid c4, I'll see how it performs, but should be fine for my needs. Only bad thing so far is that it needs 12V power supply.

[@jasonjenkins-ferris]

Take a look at the Odroid M1. I have one, the 8GB model. has on board full size m.2 nvme (only 2 lanes though, but I'd say fast enough), plus on board sata for a 2.5" ssd (won't fit in factory metal case if you use the sata option). no wifi or Bluetooth, but I don't need those features for low power Linux hosting. Also runs off of a wide range of voltage, including 12v, which I prefer vs the 5v pi4. I know it sounds like I'm talking down on it, I'm just keeping it real. Personally, I think Odroid should have opted for a faster proc on the M1 instead of a Pi4 equivalent, but it's good enough.

[@jasonjenkins-ferris]

Looks like current price for the 8GB model w/ 12v power supply and metal case, shipped from Ameridroid is $144.

[@deineroehre]

Nowadays home networks have 10Gbit/s via SFP+ or at least 2,5Gbit/s, 100Mbit is so 1993, Gbit Networking was broadly available and got normal around 2005, works even over Cat5e - 100Mbit/s like here might work for some VERY niche scenario like old telephone cables abused as network cable, but 100Mbit/s is a showstopper for almost every nowadays szenario.

[@leandrotami]

for its price it seems it has great specs. It's when we start asking for 1 or 10gbps ethernet, wifi, bluetooth, 4k support, holodeck projector and so on that prices are driven up

[@Iscamania]

It really depends where you are, if you want this cheaper price of the Vim1s I guess. Amazon in my country doesn't have the Vim1s, but other vim computers which are double the price than the vim1s on the USA page. I got my Raspberry Pi 5 with 8 GB cheaper than those Vim AND/OR Le Patato computers on our version of Amazon. (If you don't add the extra accessoires that I buyed with it, like the case for example.)

[@georgemaragos2378]

Hi, nice video I like what you have to say and at the moment, scalpers and supply issue is pushing the raspbery pi prices through the roof Now the pizero 2w is a great piece of small pc / sbc - i have one myself doing pihole and samba for basic file sharing, mostly items i dont want in the cloud or more important things i just want to share around my home Kids homework is there, some movies and my favourite music etc - items that were in common shard flders in every pc and laptop originally Anyway, some people sort of push the pizero to far beyond its capabilities, for the next step up i now use older thin clients with large hard drives, now they wont consume 2watts power but more or less under 10 watts ( typically 3 to 5 idle and max is sort of 8-10 ) - and you can run them headless and ssh into them or use remote desktop if using widnows as a os or you can use other custom software Many of the pi alternatives are geared towards the pi3 pi 4 or better in x86 versions, but the dollars gets larger Banana / Orange / Pink ?? / Asus / Tinkerboard / Uduoo / Odroid ( sorry for spelling ) are generally more expensive and almost a different class, the Banana and orange are similar price but lack stable OS systems and a lack of GPIO suoport / apps / addons It is sort of expecting a new mini to compete against a camaro / bmw - each has there own role and place in life Anyway if there were more pi2zerow's ( i would by another 3 or 4 ) - you can use them as a desktop but will be sluggish as they are with youtube video playback My pi3 is a retro pi and my pi400 is in the box and used as a amiga and Apples OS9 virtual machine for retro games etc basically Overall there are many other option to a raspbery environment, but they are more expensive and do not have the OS stability or 3rd party support Regards George

[@markpomeroy8473]

A second hand cheep laptop sounds like a better deal, but not as power efficient. All seem a little moot now that the rpi looks like it will be available at rrp in large numbers. All so the newer version of the rpi 0 has a dual core cpu.

[@m4nc1n1]

I need that case for my pi zero. Where did you get it?