Harley Davidson Dealer Rip Off? Is The Harley Dealer Charging You Too Much?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

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[@willcasp]

I don't mind paying for premium service. I do mind paying premium prices and not getting premium service.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Spot on!

[@orlandominichiello]

i do like the express HD lane, Agree about the service .HD used can be reasonable. HD finish in my opinion beats TRIUMPH from my experience anyway. Buy new HD going to take a bath selling which HD fiddles with the sticker prices.

[@robertweinlood7706]

Than do the work yourself

[@RK_LUX_68]

A Harley is for me a testimony and reward for a life of hard work. It doesn't come easy for most of us and you really can't put a price on that....costs etc for the best marquee on earth is just part n parcel imo...ride hard stay safe.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, I think many will agree with you - a lot of hard work for many to own a Harley

[@1doug62]

For too long Harley has lived off their Name, not their Quality or Service! Harley is headed for trouble with the next generation, they're not falling for it!

[@Jonathan-L]

In my part of the world, I can't complain about what HD dealers charge. I buy a good used HD that's already been upgraded with a stage 1 kit, pay a lower price than new, and get my servicing done by an experiened HD-trained mechanic. In other words, I can own a Harley Davidson without going near a dealer. I feel rather lucky.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, we can do that here also. There are many used motorcycles on the market (the prices are high at the moment)

[@MarkStesney]

Why is it our Aussie brothers have the best reviews/comments regarding Harley's ? Love this honest unbiased review. Yes ANY dealer can be a rip off, car, truck, bikes what ever. Like the man says Harley's have "soul" and are unique. You're paying for the "feel" , the experience and if you have to ask why a Harley then maybe you should look else where? I don't question why others ride foreign jobs it's their choice and I respect that. I agree they are expensive. But I truly believe "you get what you pay for". If you're buying a Harley to impress, which I know folks who have and then they complain, then again go else where. I'm on my second Harley a Road King Classic. When you climb on and hit that starter button? Ya...it's a feeling only a true Harley lover understands. Harley's ain't for everyone and I personally am glad for that fact! We don't need "posers and wanna be's" mucking up the ranks!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@est.1970]

Absolutely spot on with all your points. And yes, Japanese cruisers totally lack soul and are uninspiring.

[@donjingle4059]

Al: You are a pen head. Harley's are over priced, over rated and overall just a ship anchor.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@davidfellows6250]

thats what i thought when i went from my 71 shovel to my roadking. i dont think any new vehicle has" soul" i mean abs ON A BIKE! cant wait till you can justvsit on the back and let your bike take you there.

[@donjingle4059]

@@davidfellows6250 Motorcycles are just a bunch of parts put together, and assembled parts can't have a "Soul". By your logic, anything assembled from a bunch of parts is a living biological being. But I am here to tell you that you are wrong, extremely wrong. Motorcycles do not have souls and to say one does is just plain silly.

[@davidfellows6250]

@@donjingle4059 look back at the comments, im not the one who said bikes have soul. i was just useing the persons language. now your the one who thinks machines have soul by your logic as you used the word. what i was trying to convey was feeling and the more shit you put on a bike to " make it safer" is things that detach the rider from the bike. you link breaks you no longer have to know how to use breaks and you can't do powerslides ect .. get it? you'll never become part of a tesla. except maybe your ego.

[@thesoftailstable]

We live in a country where just about everything is expensive in comparison to the rest of the world. From cigarettes to fuel to bottled water. The list goes on. I've purchased 2 Bikes from 2 different HD dealerships. Was I happy with the price? Not entirely, but I still bought them. Great topic, Just happened across your channel this morning. Keep up the Aussie content.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@Fuaarrkk]

Bought a 2012 Vrod with 15000kms on it. First service with me I thought I’d take it to Harley and let the pros check it over. $566 for a oil and filter and “check over” I serviced the bike at home today, following the old service report they gave me for the service they did. $171 for oil and filter (genuine filter and SE SYN3 oil) and 1.5hr of my time. Harley Davidson is a rich man’s brand. If you wanna play big you gotta pay big. Learn to do the basics yourself.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks good advice

[@marvinr5054]

As a consumer and as a person that has purchased four brand new Harley-Davidsons from a steelership I have to say that as a consumer we have the right to walk away when we feel that we're getting ripped off and we all have different views about value especially when you're not getting enough for your money. I bought my first Harley-Davidson new in 2002 then my second and my third in 2003 my 4th I purchased in 2006 and I still own them all till this day and I feel that I did get my money's worth out of them and that's why I decided not to purchase the latest and greatest just like all the other Harley owners that like to have the latest and greatest I'm just going to hang on to what I have because the newer bikes have just become unaffordable and actually unreasonable for me in my position in life at this point. But I will add that it's probably one of the best motorcycles in the world because of the fit and finish and the following and camaraderie of all the owners I love it and I don't think that I could get that if I purchased a different brand. Thank you for the good video

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the kind words and I agree with you. You are lucky that you have kept your bikes, I wish I had of kept mine.

[@baymoto553]

@@OldNotDead-Club I owned a late 90's era Road King Classic and I loved the bike. Eventually, I sold it and have owned several Japanese ADV, sport and naked bikes since. Recently, I decided to get another HD. Unfortunately, the price put me off....a new Road King msrp: $23,000 but wait, then there is the HD Surcharge of $1,000 then the TC charge $1,000 then shipping $750 (I live in the US), then dealer prep $750 so add $3,500 to msrp. In the end I decided to buy a Suzuki M109R BOSS for $15,300 with around $550 for shipping / dealer prep combined. The fit and finish was not worth the price point in my calculation. The fun factor difference is neglible as my bike is more powerful than most OEM HD's (128 hp and 118 ft lbs T). Thanks for the video

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, look out for part 2 - hope you enjoy the bike

[@bigdog2.016]

Great channel always look forward to your videos. Thinking of getting new break out. One day I’ll visit you guys down under and go for a nice ride.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Awesome, thanks for watching

[@gunner9010]

I always thought Australia was in a post-apocalyptic state with motorcycle people battling for power. I stand corrected. Hahaha I think that every time I hear that awesome accent. I've been studying Harley's for a few years and I've decided to get a M8 Softail Heritage because it has a better lean angle than the old ones, full fenders, ABS, cruise control, and many say it's almost as comfortable as a bagger. Thank you for the videos I really enjoy them.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, you will love the Harley, just budget for some mods

[@tcb1017]

Like some have said that : The happiest day was the day that you bought your boat and then the day you sold it you again experienced that happy day and that goes also with Harley. Great bike I have had many over the years still have 3 brand new but I don't use them because of to much stress. Now no stress, I just sit and relax and drink beers and Tequilas and eat good and listen to bueno musica. Life is good when you learn how to change and move on. Like an old human being once said hey Elvis, things will change so enjoy life while you can and he did.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, I would ride those Harley's - what have you got?

[@jayteesgear]

Really cool content! Great lighting and audio in studio and you have a great persona in the dealership footage. YES Harleys are expensive- (right now in the States is horrible) but There are many used bikes at good pricepoints. Good video.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much for your kind words - hope you subscribed and enjoy the future videos

[@leechapman7848]

In South Australia 10% GST tax included plus rego plus stamp duty $30 cost up to $2000 then extra $3 per $100 0ver $2000 , what a wrought !!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yes but that's the Gov not the dealer.

[@amenrah99]

I believe that you can get a value from buying a Harley-Davidson because if you need emergency services, you can find a dealer fairly easily. Also, It appears that used Harley Davidson motorcycles are available at a very good price. If you want a cruiser or a touring bike, you can find a large selection of them on the web. Now on to the maintenance cost; I'm relatively new to the cycle world so when I got my first new bike 1K service, it was a shock. Now after a few years of experience, it's an expectation of reliable service and a badge of honor.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, you can reduce the costs by learning to do some maintenance yourself.

[@Jameskenomis3]

Every Harley Davidson dealer I’ve been in after buying three motorcycles, tons of parts and a little bit of apparel has ripped me off. They have the worst attitude also. I’m about done with Harley Davidson.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That's unfortunate. How have they ripped you off?

[@joeferreira7382]

james hes just a You Tuber , You should know how this works there's so many people Living off us people out here listening to people's bullshit , they get paid for it , And they always make sure they tell you subscribe

[@OldNotDead-Club]

"just" I thought my position in society - surely deserves more than a "just"

[@Moz42]

There's a Harley Heaven up here in Cairns. Some nice rides all over. Cracker of a day for a ride. Good vid, enjoyed your thoughts. Ride well. Cheers

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much. I will have to ride up for visit

[@danny29600]

I live in East Tennessee,My dealer totally took advantage of my purchase, 2022 street glide special, my 3rd bike from same dealer in 2yrs..$ m.s.r.p plus $1400 up charge, plus they doubled the freight and the prep from my last purchase . shame on me for dealing with the same dealership. That’s what’s hurting Harley Davidson right now.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

It's always sad to hear someone got ripped or had a bad experience. Our dealers in Oz don't seem to be marking anything up. There seems to be plenty of stock available here now also.

[@six0twodot1dotlove]

I ride a Kawasaki Vaquero. Probably the best bagger for your buck. Not as many bells and whistles but definitely reliable and excellent on resale.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment, I have owned a few Kawasaki's (sports bikes) I loved them.

[@cancelchannel3394]

My street glide has factory rear air suspension, that rides like a rigid frame "/ yes I've tried different air adjustments "/

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for letting us know. Like I said I love trolls

[@adingman9798]

I took two aluminum Dyna/Sportster OE rims in to the local H-D in Cambridge, ON to have the old tires removed so that I could vapor blast , wet sand, tape and paint the two rims. I was planning on buying 2 new tires from the dealership after the paint and new bearings and seals were installed and told them that.. That dealer charged me $67.00 for about 15 minutes of labor. That was my last visit to that dealership. I maintain our 4 Harley's and 3 Honda's so we purchase a fair amount of hard parts and consumables.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for that - looks like that dealer has lost a lot of business. 4 Harley's is pretty committed - which ones do you have?

[@adingman9798]

@Old not Dead - to answer your question: '19 Street Glide S, '01 Soft Tail Pro Street Big Tire Custom (trailer queen), '04 Dyna Super Glide, '01 Sporster 1250 Hooligan Kit, cammed, Mikuni 42mm, lowered 5 inches front and back , custom paint, etc.(much modified)

[@OldNotDead-Club]

lol, you are set for a while. Nice bikes.

[@tjab1715]

Excellent evaluation!!! Great show!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you much appreciated

[@Gotimerider62]

The problem I have is that many harley dealerships here in the us charge sometimes $1,000s of dollars over msrp

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thats a bummer, i have heard this - it doesn't happen here

[@machninety7334]

I paid $28,000 for a 2019 Harley Davidson Heritage Classic 114ci in 2019. It was supposed to come with free service, but my first oil change was over $400

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the comment. What happened to the free service?

[@paulcadby6925]

That was a good buy, l have the same bike and paid the same price. They are now about 36K.

[@KrakensGarageandAdventures]

Thanks for shouting out my mates @that harley couple I've been riding HDs for almost 40 years and have 2 in the garage at this time. A '21 Icon Revival and a '19 Roadster I'm doing a café build on. Here in the US it's hit or miss on any given dealer. Most dealers are charging $5,000 over list price in mocked up fees because of the bike shortage here. Service comes down to have a good tech diagnose an issue and sort it quickly. Get a bad tech, and the bill will rise accordingly. My advise is seek out a good dealer to purchase from. Fine the master tech that works there and request the he/she perform your services when you make your appointment. My other mate Paul from @the harley roadshow just bought his SG at that dealer last week. Good topic! Eric

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Hi Eric, welcome to the channel. 2 Harley's makes you a very lucky guy - congrats. I look forward to seeing your cafe build as I love cafe racers.

[@davidnadeau6441]

Great video again. As a new subscriber I am playing catch-up so please bear with me. If any of you guys got ripped off by the dealer it was you who did it for self. Nobody had a gun to your head! Dealer relations is very important to this old guy. I had a Suzuki C50 setup with windshield and bags. Nice bike. Cost me about $9000. US when I was finally happy with it. I moved up to a new 08 flhtc 18 month latter for about 19500. Over twice the bike, more character, performance etc. 14 years later with 88000 miles on her I hit something on the road that punctured the engine case. I had a brand new 110 with cams installed for $9000. Do I feel ripped off ? Not a bit.....my choice and the took my personal check cause the new me from doing years of business. That's what you get from a great dealer relationship. All my choices never ripped off. Keep the videos coming. I noticed you said cold riding. It's 13 f degrees here in new England today! Ride safe.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks and welcome to the channel

[@gregg6474]

Well I needed a $65 ecm reflash to my bike, they made me buy a new battery for $150, then they told me I had broken wires in the harness and would need about 3 hrs shop time to find the problem, after 3 hrs they decided there wasn't a broken wire and just needed the ecm reflashed like I told them. So $600 later I left with a reflashed ecm and a new battery...I wish now I would have just bought a thundermax ecm for a couple hundred more.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I'm sorry to hear you had an experience below expectations. It's a sore point for many - being charged for just finding the problem.

[@donjingle4059]

I think it serves you right for buying a stupid Harley. You literally got you deserved LOL. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

We all think Harley's are ACE. BUT there is a brand for everyone. Be happy and ride motorcycles.

[@gregg6474]

@@donjingle4059 first thing is I knew the bike had a couple problems, thats why I got it so cheap, it's a project, but I can do all that's needed and if I have to I can rebuild the motor or trans and still make a profit off the bike. That the good thing about a harley-davidson it isn't a throwaway bike like most brands, good luck getting 20 year old parts for a lot of brands. Not to mention my bikes resale value is worth more than 90% of bikes new.

[@BillTheHarleyGuy]

i have 3 Harleys and know what your talking about ,that's why i like working on my own bikes and keep money in my pocket. Great video and topic . i just subbed to your channel

[@donjingle4059]

Do you want to sleep with Old Not Dead?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you, which Harley's do you have and which one is your favourite?

[@BillTheHarleyGuy]

@@OldNotDead-Club my girlfriend bought me a 1988 Sportster 1200,i have a 07 Dyna Super Glide Custom and a 2020 Softail Standard and i love them all as each one has it's own purpose.👍

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@BillTheHarleyGuy congratulations, they would all be fun

[@stevebohme7939]

The set up fee got me $900, and freight $375, not sure if that is negotiable?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I would look at the whole figure and negotiate from that amount

[@stevebohme7939]

Thanks for the reply, they are such beautiful machines and they are premium materials over all. In my opinion having owned many the way to go is to buy used and do as much of the maintenance as you can safely. If you are not great mechanically find a good local service option not the dealer. They are costly to maintain. I have also ridden, Ducati, BMW and Kawasaki and Yamaha, I love the Harley and now that’s all I ride. Thanks for your videos, I love your accent, bike and overall great attitude, wish I lived where I could join a ride with you, I’m in Idaho😎

[@Glxlplk]

I bought my 1st Harley from Route 66 Harley Davidson in Tulsa Oklahoma. Brand New 2021 Harley Davidson Road Glide Standard. I rode it home; it was leaking oil. I took it back and was told that from the factory they did not put o rings on the push rods. They fixed it. I wanted to put a header on it and was told by the service department that a header would void my warranty. So, I opted for the Stage 2 Torque Cam. Air cleaner, plugs, wires... pretty much everything else. After it was all complete, I was talking to a different mechanic and expressed my disappointment that I could not do the header without voiding my warranty. He looked at me puzzled and said "That doesn't void your warranty. Who told you that? I pointed at the other service guy and said, "he did" The other service guy stated that he did in fact tell me that but then recanted. I said "Well, let's put a header on it then!!" They were going to charge me another fee for another Dyna tune that I just paid for. You know, an extra 5 or 600.00 for their mistake. I ordered a seat and new handlebars, the seat came 1st, and when they put the new handlebars on a couple weeks later the reach was extremely uncomfortable. The bars were pulled back as far as they would go. They offered that I could sign a release form and they would remove pins that would allow the bars to pull back further. I decided not to do that. I started researching and discovered the seat they ordered was a daddy longlegs. I went back and showed them the seat that I had originally ordered, and the service writer told me they did not make that seat. I gave them the part number and they still insisted that the seat did not exist. I proved to them that the seat existed. They ordered the correct seat but charged me a 20% restocking fee to return the incorrect seat - another couple hundred for their mistake. I ordered a touring bag and bracket. I paid them to drill the holes and mount the bag to the bracket. When I went to pick up the bike the service writer told me that I had the wrong bracket (after the holes were drilled and it was mounted) and that I needed the Harley bracket because this one would not fit. He showed me how the bracket would not line up with the Harley docking hardware. I was not going to spend the extra money, so I loaded it all in my trunk and took it home. I tried to exchange the bracket and was told that "Without a doubt" this was the correct bracket. I took it out and discovered that the service writer was trying to mount it to the wrong docking points... really?!?!?!? At that point I had concerns that this "certified Harley mechanic" had been in my motor. Also on another note, In my opinion, Harley Davidson has created an attractive Nuisance with the BOOM Audio scam. If you buy a Harley with BOOM Audio, it is not 100% compatible with Blu tooth unless you purchase a WHIM (300.00+) But wait there is more!! Now you have spent the extra money to get the WHIM but guess what? It still won't work like you want with Blu Tooth... Only Harley/Sena Blu Tooth. Another couple of hundred bucks. So, to make your stereo functional with a helmet will cost you 500.00 to a 1000.00 + extra and it is still subpar. So, Harley's attempt to milk you out of every possible dollar has encouraged me who has never ridden without a helmet to leave it on many occasions because it is so inconvenient. I don't know how you feel about it, but I don't like being monetarily punished for wearing a helmet. Who knows, maybe helmets aren't part of the image. I like the bike, but my personal experience has tarnished their name for me. I don't like being scammed and taken advantage of. My experience with Route 66 Harley Davidson in Tulsa Oklahoma tells me 100% the dealership will try to rip you off.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment. It's unfortunate you have had a bad experience. I certainly wouldn't be paying for the dealers mistake. There are plenty of competent dealers and independents around. Here in Australia we have to wear helmets - I have never use the stereo myself I always like the sound of the engine.

[@Glxlplk]

@@OldNotDead-Club the 20% on the seat I did begrudgingly. I wrote a letter to their corporate office months ago but no response yet on the header issue, pretty sure they couldn't care less.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

My 99 Sportster needed a key switch for the ignition. They put a new Switch on but they stripped the holes where the wires go into the coil and they left them finger tight and didn't tell me about it. They vibrated lose four times on the way home and when I got home I wiggled the wire to the bike ran and then I hot glued the wires all over the coil to make sure they didn't come loose and break the connection and 15 years later my b o d g e d repair is still holding up I will never pay premium money for service again.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That's unfortunate. I wouldn't let one bad experience put you off - there are plenty of good people around.

[@williamferril3274]

Was at dealer in Albany NY area last month , looking at '22 St Glide ST. Beautiful machine with msrp of 29k . Speaking to the sales rep I found 36k was their #. Called HD Cust. Serv. And was told that dealers can name their price. They no nothing about fees other than prep delivery n taxes Called 5 other dealers around the country, prices varied greatly shop wisely

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, we are fortunate here - i haven't seen that in Australia. Having said that I purchased this bike from a dealer interstate as he gave me an excellent deal.

[@beepbop6697]

$7k over MSRP ?!? I don't own Harley's, but I've never paid over MSRP -- typically I get 5-10% below MSRP, otherwise I'm walking out and finding a better dealer.

[@Lowriderandy]

Went from Triumph to H-D with no regrets! Its so cliche but every H-D rider will recognize himself in the saying «if I had to explain u wouldnt understand» :)

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yes I agree - a cliche but it's very true and I will attempt to explain this in an upcoming video

[@roscoecrawford6442]

This has to be a regional thing, our HD dealership is pretty good with their customer service and service techs. I have a 2021 RGS RDRS with a stage one ECM flash, Vance&Hines headers and Rienhart tips all dealer installed. I am very happy with the bike and our dealership. Ride safe!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, the dealers around here are good too.

[@jbbrix1]

I was told there sales a month is roughly 60 bikes. So there are people still buying used and new HD. That’s kinda good for the economy isn’t it!!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yes anyone buying, selling, building, creating and general activity will be great for the economy. I think HD sold over 16,000 bikes per month last year. 60 would be one dealer.

[@wooddawg4868]

I think it’s the fact that most Harley dealerships are independently owned, they all have different prices for everything. A HD dealership is in it to make money and labor cost for anything is insane. The good thing is their is KZbin to teach you how to do just about everything.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thats very true - KZbin is a great help when it comes to repairs and maintenance

[@mariog4707]

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said there is little competition - the leader always controls the market. This means Harley are free to set whatever price they like. It also however allows other manufacturers to then overcharge for cruisers. Take BMW’s R1800 for example. It’s a real competitor to Harley and the price reflects that - it’s way too expensive when compared to other BMW’s but sits nicely in the mix with Harley pricing. The sin Harley commit by exploiting their dominance is to condemn all cruiser riders (regardless of brand) to overpriced bikes.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thats an excellent point, thank you

[@Peter-wc4kr]

I had an Indian and part of the appeal was the great atmosphere at the Sydney Indian Dealership where they would put on great events to promote the brand and culture. Sadly they closed those dealerships down. Indians are now sold by independent dealerships, that scarcely put on any events, have pushy sales people and are not interested in promoting the Indian culture. Harley are much better in promoting their brand, keeping the customer’s interest going with their many events and having dealerships with a friendly atmosphere.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I agree, that seems to be the way.

[@adriandunn6039]

Just a couple of points I’d like to make on my first Harley in 1990. I’ve had 4 Harley Davidson or even call my son Harley it’s not just the price of Harley motorcycles. The clothing is so expensive, I have brought many Harley Davidson clothing products over the years. The price has just gone absolutely crazy. It doesn’t reflect the quality it doesn’t reflect anything different from the other manufacturers. In fact, some of the T-shirts have got less detail on them and yet the price does not reflect this There doesn’t seem to be any justification for some of the price rises on clothing and accessories. I love Harley Davidson, but I do think they’ve got an image problem with normal riders and that is not just me saying it well done for putting your perspective over.on here Have a good day.

[@OG_The_Origonal_Grandpa]

First rule of economics is something is only worth what you're willing to pay for it!! You can always hope that you had gotten it cheaper but them giving you a price and you agreeing to pay it can in no way get termed a ripoff UNLESS you are a grown adult that's claiming you're not capable of making your own decisions and shouldn't be allowed to make those decisions. How about we be adults and who like I said just wished we could have got it a little cheaper!! You now have a Harley and road to burn don't tie a bunch of negativety to your instrument of freedom!! 😁

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the reply - BUT it's obvious you didn't watch the video. P.S part 2 comes out tomorrow and that show my stance on negativity

[@OG_The_Origonal_Grandpa]

@@OldNotDead-Club I'm sorry brother I didn't mean you specifically brother. It was a general view not specific reaction to yours.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

No offence taken at all. Hope you enjoy the videos and I do agree with you.

[@andymck62]

all very well put mate.thanks for your work.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it

[@RideDriveandbuildAU]

I do agree with most people who say Harley Davidson’s are expensive, there is some premium brand tax. If you buy a printed t shirt from K mart $15-20 or buy a Harley t shirt @ the dealer for $70 not worth it really. I have an old Harley and I find genuine parts reasonably priced and worth extra few dollars.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

spot on... but are they TOO expensive? What sort of a Harley do you have?

[@RideDriveandbuildAU]

@@OldNotDead-Club 2007 Heritage .

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@RideDriveandbuildAU Nice!

[@greghinchley6277]

Just yesterday a Akron local HD dealer had a 22 Road Glide Special in black. MSRP is $27,500. They installed 12' meat hook Yaffe bars & a 21" Arlen Ness front wheel. $43,000 was the price. I laughed as I walked out the door. When the MoCo files for Bankruptcy, I won't feel bad.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Watch part 2 - in particular the last point and the bonus at the end

[@greghinchley6277]

I just seen a low mileage 18 CVO FLHX on the European market for $26k. These American dealers are nuts.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@greghinchley6277 sure, but you would think that demand vs limited supply would be highest in the USA therefore more inflated pricing?

[@silverwiskers7371]

In the USA we have a saying "don't buy a Harley unless you can afford to work on it" a man needs to learn every nut and bolt on your bike and fix them yourself, I bought a wrecked bike for the TC-88 engine and Trans and I overhauled it like new and keep a spare engine ready to go if i ever need it, Harley shop will clip you if you have to overhauling it

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the advice, it's always a good thing to learn how your bike is put together and be able to fix it. Unfortunately they are getting more complex every year.

[@NickCager]

Harley Davidson definitely has high overhead costs to meet. The HD store near me must have cost a fortune, it's gorgeous but we're paying for it. There's HUGE numbers of employees at any given time you go in... we're paying for that too. And what do we get? Well, not much.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Think it through, do you get more stock to look at when you are thinking about a purchase? Better customer service with more staff? Perhaps bigger store they need more staff?

[@-MrRichBiker1967]

Beautiful bike cool video nice riding, that clanging and knocking you here is your compensator is loose that should not do that

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks very much. Where are you hearing 'clanging and knocking'?

[@jackpeters9048]

I've owned north of 30 bikes in my life, most bought new, seven new Harleys included...My last Harley was a new street glide bought in 2015...I cringed when i bought it, mostly due to the silly antics and ploys used by the dealer....Getting them to quote a price was like pulling teeth....Now they won't even post a price...Typically a tactic used by the lowest iq used car dealer..( Note...not all used car dealers are crooked..)..That said, between the gross over pricing for both the bikes and the accessories, I chose to go a different route. Bought two new triumphs, (absolutely beautifully crafted machines)....For me, at 67 years of age and hundreds of thousands of miles, Harley has lost it's sheen and overall appeal...The image of American Steel and Iron, has been supplanted with millennial marketing and grossly overstated quality.....Just my opinion...Ride safe...

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your opinion. Triumph make great bikes too. I had a Thruxton R it was VERY VERY good, just a little small for me.

[@sean8470]

@@OldNotDead-Club I agree with Jack- I was close to pulling the trigger on a H-D but went also went with Triumph and glad I did I haven't had any issues with my 2014 (purchased in April 2015) 45,500 miles later)Rocket III Roadster-2300cc inline 3 cylinder motor absolutely incredible torque and more torque. Harley sounds awesome I will give them that and they probably are the best looking bikes out there but i feel the V-twin pushrod especially with the pressed together flywheel is asking for problems down the road. Every bike has their issues no question I will also say that with Harley the dealership network across planet earth is 2nd to none.

[@beepbop6697]

I do my purchases through the dealer's Internet sales team, and I specifically ask for the "Out the Door (OTD)" price. Then go with the dealer with the best deal for the bike you want. Be prepared to travel to get the bike you want at the price you want.

[@MightyMick88]

When you have a known problem with oil leaking into the air filter intake and dripping down on the motor on the M8 engines, you would think the manufacturer would fix this problem instead of charging an absolute premium to purchase a bike and leaving it to the consumer to fix, that is plain wrong.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Just fill the oil only to the lower half of the acceptable range, that fixes it. You need to check the oil more regularly when you do this.

[@irishguyjg_2ndchancerecovery]

Don't go to a dealership then, why complain, complain, complain when you, YES, you have a choice lol. God bless your journeys on the scooters. SPORTSTER4LIFE🍀

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, are you talking to me? or just people in general -- because if it's to me you obviously haven't watched the video... yet.

[@irishguyjg_2ndchancerecovery]

@@OldNotDead-Club it was directed towards those who continually get ripped off by Harley and complain aboit it mate, if you don't do that, your good lol. I've bought 1 bike from a dealership, never had an issue, I love my sportys, people need to stop complaining in general(as I complain about those who complain 😉) . God bless you. SPORTSTER4LIFE I will admit, I didn't watch the entire thing, I'm a new sub, giving your channel a shot, may or may not be for me, but nonetheless, I still wish people wouldn't complain, what does it do?! Boo hoo, you got ripped off, live and learn lol

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@irishguyjg_2ndchancerecovery yep plenty complain - that's why I made the video

[@MrEiniweini]

Interesting... this could be a long post. I purchased the Sportster S, It actually compares fairly well. On road in the USA it will cost $18,500 and $27,000 in Australia. At 70c in the dollar that is pretty close if you consider shipping internationally. I considered the Rebel 1100, but if you were to up the specs to match the Sportster S the price of $20,000 for the Rebel would go up by $5,000 (1100cc to 1250cc, TFT, phone connectivity, mapping on display, lean angle ABS and lean angle TC) Any Honda with similar specs starts at $25,000. Then consider the Goldwing/K1600/Roadglide... all of them start at $42,000. All tourers, all with similar tech/luggage package and yet all at the same price. Of all of the bikes mentioned, only the Harley has an extensive after-market that can customise your bike near on precisely to what you want. With the other bikes, if it is not quite comfortable after 1000KM then it likely never will be. It is not a car where you can adjust the steering and seat to get position exactly right.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment I hope you are enjoying the sportster?

[@BigSkyImagery]

Yes, some of dealers do. They keep marking up bikes but taking things away: heel shifter, hydraulic clutch, windshield closing vent, and whatever else they are cheating out on that we can’t see. Their technology can’t keep up with the competition, all their bikes look the same from 2008-2022!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

My bike, m8 street glide is way better than the 2008 version, i think they have improved a lot?

[@BigSkyImagery]

@@OldNotDead-Club besides the motor, radio, abs, it’s the same bike.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, the motor alone is a serious upgrade - but i believe the frame and suspension is also different... not mention the list of minor details like the saddlebag latches and attachment method. Also I believe they are trying to keep the "look" similar

[@turtle19dad]

HD in Southern California charging over 7K above MSRP. I was looking at the RG Standard (Reef Blue) MSRP around $22K. They wanted to get me to sign for nearly $30K.... Nope. Not happening.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

wow! That's a lot extra

[@turtle19dad]

@@OldNotDead-Club then they say "if we can get you your payment will you sign and say you accept the deal? Not for 7K over MSRP.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@turtle19dad I wouldn't pay that either. Plenty of people have lots of money to burn and this suits them - having it now and paying over

[@turtle19dad]

@@OldNotDead-Club yeah I've been to other dealers and their response was "its that way everywhere." Plus the Lowrider ST has my attention too.

[@timbarnett3898]

Every dang day! Hey boys & girls, either your riding or holding selfie camera sticks, but not both at same time! Remember you own safety tips! (When you ride-you ride! Not picture taking!)

[@OldNotDead-Club]

In Australia they go easy on the chemicals in the drinking water, we are all thoroughbred daredevils and can handle anything

[@shaneconnors757]

Resale value is also a point

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That's actually a really good point - thanks for reminding me

[@stuartosborn4785]

New UK subscriber here . I have a Japanese adventure bike and an 07 superglide custom . The adventure bike is better in every measurable way BUT I just feel a million dollars when I ride the Harley ! .......and I don't really know why !? . Maybe it's the 'soul' you mention !

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for subscribing. I know exactly what you mean - i think it "soul"

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@markjones3888 spot on lol

[@jarthur1369]

I have a 2006 and was looking at a new Harley and ALL of my Harley friends said "NOOOOOOO!!! never buy a new Harley, and never buy one from a Harley dealer"

[@Brian-hy9fb]

There is alot of snobbery when it comes with the brand. When i was riding a Suzuki Boulevard most Boulevard riders would bag out Harley Davidson riders, mainly out of jealously because they couldn't afford a HD. The same thing happens with Adventure bike riders with the cheaper Japanese models as opposed to the European manufacturers, like BMW, Ducati & Triumph and it goes on with the Dual cab ute market with GWB & LDV drivers bagging out Hilux & Ford Ranger drivers. Its just human nature

[@cancelchannel3394]

When on vacation I take my Kawasaki vulcan 2000, because it's way more reliable, and doesn't overheat in heavy traffic jams of tourists towns ")

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comments - I love trolls - keep them coming

[@user-ho5xs1go7y]

Fuck yea Harley heaven Adelaide

[@robertweinlood7706]

I bought a 2022 fatboy and love it 2 year warranty and I will do all the maintance myself bought a service manule so I know th we torq specs

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Great stuff and I LOVE the Fatboy model

[@omurcada01]

My first Harley was a Heritage Classic purchased in 1991 for $17500 so their price has only doubled in 33 years, so are they really expensive? Not if you love 'em 🥰🥰🥰

[@raykarena4595]

Got quoted $750 from Harley dealer here in Sydney for tall chrome sissy bar. Found the same one in Victoria for $245, go figure

[@vaporcaper9601]

I’m American and yes Harley is too pricey just because, in my opinion you can only ride it when it’s not pouring down rain . Which I will ride mine in a light shower but if it’s raining hard it becomes harder to see . And you only have essentially half the vehicle as a car there is no way I’m in the weather yet I pay the same amount for it as I would if I were out of the storm! A car also gives more crash protection a motorcycle has none so why would it make any sense to go in debt on one it’s quite ludicrous!!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, good points.

[@wiliamgarcia8722]

Only a real biker can understand! You will never understand until you become a real one.

[@marky9810]

HD are expensive as quality parts and quality labour should be expensive. You're paying for the knowledge that job will be done the right way. People that fabicate and hand make stuff are artist in theirs feld.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Spot on, thanks

[@zozoa1]

I’m from the UK. I love all bikes including Harley so I’m not a Harley hater at all I’m realistic when it comes to my thoughts on prices. I’ve recently test rode a lot of Harleys some for an hour some for a day or two that I’ve borrowed off of friends because I want one. However it doesn’t matter what I test ride I can seriously say when I get off nothing has shouted out buy me. Compared to my Yamaha Raider and my wife’s Yamaha Stryker the HD just doesn’t justify me paying that much more for less of a bike. My bike is all metal it’s fast and it stops how it should I can pick a decent second had one up for less than £10000 so it makes no sense to me anyhow to pay double if not more for a bike which is quite frankly is not as good. Yes the Harley community is great no doubting that. Surly though Harley can’t use that as a justification on such high prices. If that’s the case ied rather be Billy no mates and enjoy the extra 10k in my pocket

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Many people agree with your line of thought. Different bikes convey different feelings - when i buy sports bikes no matter what I test ride and how good it is I always favour Kawasaki - it's not logical.

[@brada5185]

I am a CVO Man the prices is getting crazy

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, yes that true...lol, weren't the CVO prices always crazy?

[@NickCager]

Japanese culture: "There's a problem... we must fix it now!!" American culture: "There's a problem... we'll make a fortune in repairs!!" I'm American, so it's an admission and not bashing!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

well that's probably a cynical view? I've had heaps of Harley's and no problems. All vehicles have some flaws and problems especially when new models come out.

[@robertweinlood7706]

I like the idea I can jump on the freeway and ride for a long way and enjoy the ride maybe HD is not for many

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Spot on I love that too

[@rextheute8052]

i d have †o admit - No , not a rip off . No more or less than other manufacturers - i would say it is a premium niche product - and if you didnt like the price ( or at least accept it ) then walk away . As stated there are many outlets to purchase either service parts from or aftermarket if you ' feel ripped off ' However , im happy to go with the company , that designed , engineered and manufactured my Super Stylish Heritage Classic 114 as it looks a million dollars and makes me smile when i ride it - oh and goes and sounds great too ! Not fassssst , but has ' IT' what ever "It" is . Not my First HD , unlikely to be my last

[@OldNotDead-Club]

spot on I agree with you - great bike by the way. Thanks for watching

[@mikeclarkson1136]

Yamaha roadstar, i owned 3. Dealer support + - price + - reliability + - power + - . Styling tried to be close to some harleys. Had to definitely add pipes to try and sound like a harley. However, yamaha no longer makes roadstars, and have basically gotten away from cruisers. Price was huge difference.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

But that's the point.... to sound LIKE a Harley. Why?

[@littlerichardsmith]

Yep .... "WELCOME TO THE FAMILY"

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, did you actually watch the video?

[@littlerichardsmith]

@Old Not Dead Yes of course I did. And I have bought 3 brand new Harleys since 2019. My opinion is the bike are priced right "from the factory". The problem in USA seems to be huge dealership mark ups. Now I know the dealership needs to make a buck also and honestly i don't mind throwing them a bone. Like say 1k over manufacturer's suggested price. But some dealers (not all "SOME") have like 5 to7k over manufacturer's price. I think dealerships are sneaky with not posting the price of the motorcycle in their adds like (call for price). I feel like it's not easy on the buyer it's not transparent and truthful (and Harley needs more buyers) it's just uncomfortable. With all that being said I will be buying another brand new harley Davidson soon. I love them and I don't blame the manufacturer for the way "some" dealers act. Kinda sucks because I will be excited to get a new bike but the "PROCESS" is "EXHAUSTING" ..... Japanese dealership could have me in and out in an hour with no lies no sneaky shit no taking the bike back for warranty work "NO PRESSURE" to get the extended warranty or upgrade this or that.

[@littlerichardsmith]

@@OldNotDead-Club ⬆️ I subscribe to a KZbin channel "Steve Freeman" and he just put out a video called "I got banned from a Harley Davidson dealership" ..... In my opinion it's solid gold 100% spot on

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@littlerichardsmith oh I see what you mean. Here in Oz we don't have that markup problem. I'm not sure why? I think legally they have to advertise the drive away price.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@littlerichardsmith I think I saw that video, thanks

[@AnxietyWizard]

Interesting video, well put together!

[@aymenfares]

Thank you very much

[@xromeox7]

Finally an Aussie #subbed

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Welcome to the channel

[@2stage90]

With HD's most people do not work on them. They use that excuse because they dont want to learn how to work on them. Plus with Computerized HD's your jammed up unless you buy the software to work on them. Just like John Deer does with their tractors. It makes you mercy to the dealer. Which you decided to do when you bought the bike.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yes somethings on modern bikes are difficult without the dealer - but plenty you can do yourself.

[@jeffreyhill7990]

You can't put a price on your own individuality, Harley has always been about that, just like Enfield or James or BSA, it puts you in the middle of history and reality at the same time.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

spot on

[@billmcdonald7463]

I’ll stay with the Yamaha Roadliner and Stratoliner. Pity Yamaha stopped making cruiser bikes.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks have fun

[@johnmacdonald1878]

So no skin in the game. I did by a couple of things from a local Harley dealer. Very friendly, very helpful. Price reasonable. The price of their bikes, up to you. If you like it and it works for you. Go for it. If you think it’s not fair or a rip off. Why would you by it? Go down the road and by something else. It’s your choice.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Very true we all have the ability to choose

[@williamstidham2163]

Who cares what we ride, as long as your 😊, I’m a Honda guy, Air ride and open roads, Free air and that’s about all the free here.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your input - which Honda do you have?

[@robertwatson5104]

Yes

[@OldNotDead-Club]

lol

[@BayAreaRiders]

At the end of the day, a Harley Davidson is a premium brand that comes at a premium price. Yes, there are cheaper bikes out there. Some may be “as good” from a reliability perspective or have similar features. This is true of most any product. An Acura cost more then a Honda, because an Acura is the premium version of a Honda. What do you get for that brand? Generally, a better buying and service experience, better fit and finish, a few premium bits (upgraded interior, maybe better sound, specialized paint or body upgrades) and the brand itself. Your driving an Acura not a Honda. Harley is no different. Do some dealers over price the bikes they sell or tack on unrealistic markups, you bet. So, go to another dealer and negotiate a price that makes sense based on the market. Here again, no different then any other product someone wants to buy.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, great comments

[@cancelchannel3394]

I wouldn't trade my 2004 Kawasaki vulcan 2000 for any Harley davidson on the road or at any dealership that's a fact, I bought a 2013 street glide, worst mistake I've ever made

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Don't forget to subscribe and hit the bell to be notified about my next video - it features metric bike riders and their envy. P.S. I love Kwakas and have owned many in my time.

[@cancelchannel3394]

@@OldNotDead-Club sorry but no thank you

[@harveyg845]

I do not think HD is ripping you off on the sell end, they have to keep the lights on and pay the sells people, don't they? The real rip off is on the service end, they are not honoring their service warranty's. I tell anyone that asks DO NOT buy extended warranty's because the dealers don't even honor the warranty the bike comes with.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, I haven't heard of them NOT honouring any warranties for legitimate claims?

[@harveyg845]

@@OldNotDead-Club I can only tell you about my experience on a bike that was less than a year old at the time but had a broken belt guard when I took it in I was told that they would have to check the bike out to find out how or why it broke, this I would expect, but this person said and then we will go from there. That last part is a door waiting to be shut in my face, and it made me feel like they thought I was trying to get away with something, so I ordered the part online, had it sent to that dealership, went in picked it up and did the job myself. I realize this is a small thing and that my ears can be short tempered, but in my mind, I have a HD with less than 7000miles on it and it's got a broke belt guard NOT a piston hanging out of an engine. What I should have heard was yes sir bring it right in we will take care of for you. I know I am just one guy, so I will tell you that I also heard it mentioned on the news, not sure if it was national or local, but it should give you something to follow up on.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@harveyg845 I sympathise with you but maybe something - a rock - was caught in the guard? Then it wouldn't be a warranty issue. The devil is always in the detail I guess - but a faulty broken guard should be covered under warranty.

[@harveyg845]

@@OldNotDead-Club Understood. Anyway, check for HD dealers getting in trouble for their warranty practices in the US. IF you come up empty, I will let it go. In the meantime, I am glad I found your channel and I will continue to watch.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, i hope you enjoy the channel

[@kennv7566]

For someone who is wealthly and wants a Harley I say get one. Are you being ripped off? not really. Do I think Harleys are expensive? yes. Myself I have a older Shadow 1100 I'm happy with. I have no interest in getting a Harley, but if I really wanted one, I'd get one. My advice is get the motorcycle that you want. There are plenty of brands, models and choices out there.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I agree buy what you want and what makes you happy. There are so many great bikes around.

[@bigal9052]

How about $ 800 for 2 new Dunlop tires installed thats what a friend was quoted 8 years ago for a Heritage I did it for free

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yep it's always cheaper when you do it for free or you have a handy mate.

[@TheYowzerr78]

If you ever feel useless, remember…there is someone whose job is to build stock Harley exhausts all day

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol

[@ThomasLosi]

The new Honda Rebel 1100 can possibly be compared to a sportster.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, and what do you think of it?

[@ThomasLosi]

@@OldNotDead-Club I actually placed a deposit on it in June I’m still waiting for it. It’s on back order from that whole supply chain issue. I had a Harley Street 500 prior.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@ThomasLosi ok, I didn't realise the wait was so long on other brands. Let me know what you think when it arrives.

[@Lasnoe]

If Harley added a quality suspension, heated seats and grips to their CVO then they could probably justify charging what they charge you for a special!! 😒

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Well for us the consumer the price can always be better - no matter what. Watch part 2 especially the last point and the bonus.

[@Lasnoe]

@@OldNotDead-Club 😂🤣 absolutely agree with your sentiments in the bonus about the positive energy. Of course our posts can’t all summarize our overall view on a topic, only what we actually type. I believe so long as Harley could sell motorcycles they should be pricing it however they want. In fact I’ve come to realize if your customer isn’t feeling the pain of handing over the money you probably aren’t charging enough 😂… especially for such a passion product like a Harley. That said, I love the bargain. I love getting ultra value for a reasonable price or what feels like a great price. I’d like to think the specials could have all the cool features of a CVO, minus the paint job, an upgraded suspension, be sold for the price of the current specials and Harley can still make enough money 🤣😂…. But that’s me being Scrooge cause I like a deal. I think that kind of value would hurt Indian. Or at least force Indian to produce a better fit and finished product. Cheers for engaging…. Appreciate you taking the time to create such content.🍻

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@howardmann5634]

Old bikes for old men or women get with it grandad

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment youngster... but I am with it?

[@brada5185]

Hell yeah

[@OldNotDead-Club]

lol

[@metricOIL]

Anything over MSRP is a ripoff. Come on over to the metric side... best value in a bagger

[@OldNotDead-Club]

It sure sounds that way? What sort of bike do you ride?

[@metricOIL]

@@OldNotDead-Club metric glide knockoff kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaGQkKJ_hNSLe7c

[@davidbrayshaw3529]

Harley Davidson charge what the market is prepared to pay. Is that a "ripoff"? I'd say not. Are they a value proposition at that price point? I'd say absolutely not. It's one thing to compare them with a similar offering from Indian but try comparing them to an 1800cc. six cylinder GoldWing with a 7 speed DSG, electric screen, electric forward/reverse "walking gears", heated seat, grips and a parts catalogue that is absent of any performance or reliability upgrades for a a very good reason. Objectively, the Honda is a far better value proposition. There is no argument to the contrary whatsoever. But vehicle purchase's aren't an objective thing, they're subjective. Harley Davidson has known this for decades and they have capitalised on it better than any other manufacturer and it has bore them fruit that no other manufacturer can even dream of. At the end of the day, when you look in the mirror while you're brushing your teeth and are thinking quietly to yourself, ask yourself this question: "was that money well spent"? The answer will vary amongst individuals but if you answer yes, you made a good decision, regardless of the product. Are Harley Davidson a rip off? That's up to you and me to make up our own minds on.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comments I agree. Interestingly enough I once (maybe 5 or 6 years ago) tried to buy a Goldwing (they have a black cut down version) I couldn't even get to see one in the flesh let alone test ride it. Very poor performance from Honda dealers.

[@tonyramirez2731]

Overpriced machines while outsourcing production to India and not extending the savings to customers...🙄

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Many people will agree with you. I think their job is to balance price of bikes and profit for the business - not give away savings. So many people get enormous enjoyment form the bikes.

[@backnine]

Any dealer is going to screw you. Go to any dealer and you see the price on the bike. Lets say $12000.00 US for a used bike. You would think it would be $12000.00 + Tax and Registration. They will come back with a total of $2000.00 to $2500.00 over the price that was on the bike. They have all these BS charges. Classic bait an switch. When I go to Walmart and buy an item and go to the check out I expect to pay item price + sales tax. Not a fee for the janitor/person stocking the self/shipping to store/ECT. If you are buying a used bike private sale is the way to go. You will pay half of what it will sell for at a dealer. But you have to have cash. That's were the dealer sucks people in because they will finance it at 20% interest.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

All new vehicles where i am have taxes and fees associated with them - most you could blame the Gov for - not the dealer. Finance is expensive in all industries - cash always gets you what you want cheaper.

[@turtle19dad]

Dude. Over 7K above MSRP for a RG Standard. Tried to get me for $30K out the door. Needless to say I'm still waiting for my next bike!!!! Most of that was ADM. Gotta love the dealer markup.... NOT

[@garymaclean6903]

Prices too High? - There's lots of factors that determine selling prices. It comes down to what the dealer thinks the market will bear, vs what the customer is willing to pay. Best name in motorcycling? Only if you measure that in terms of marketing costs. There's lots of other brands which have top quality, but don't dump a ton of money to bolster their image in order to try to convince you to buy it... If you need to 'customize' your bike to make it 'perform' to your satisfaction, there's many other brands that will readily out-perform Harleys out of the showroom door, are more comfortable, and typically cost less. Once you over-come the HD-created delusion that Harleys are 'the best', you will soon realize so many other brands provide better value, more refined performance, and more owner satisfaction.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

lol to some people only. I have friend with a ducati - it cost similar to my bike and he pays about x4 for his "same" mods. Sure his bike is faster 2nd gear gets you to 200 (km/h) He is cramped up even though he is shorter than me and can't really ride to far in comfort. Many of us believe in the saying. "better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow" That's just one part of the "value" equation, I will have to do a video on the rest.

[@garymaclean6903]

@@OldNotDead-Club I'm surprised you would consider comparing a Ducati to a Harley! While Ducati makes some models that are very competent Sports-Tourers, many are pure track bikes that no one would take seriously as comparable to a Harley. Much like you'd be a fool to think any Harley cruiser could compete on the track with a hot Ducati...

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@garymaclean6903 I'm not - I'm comparing value like you are. I could have used a Japanese cruiser but then I would have to carry on about how boring they are.

[@garymaclean6903]

Value can mean different things to different people. You make it sound whether one perceives something as more valuable, instead of swallowing the marketing brainwashing, is somehow a bad thing...

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@garymaclean6903 no that's not what I mean. marketing brainwashing is already in place for everything to a certain degree. We are all subconsciously taking everything in. and linking it with whatever identities we want to run with. We all perceive different things as valuable and the marketing is just how a company projects its product. I don't see it as a big deal. You just buy what you think is the right fit for you based on what you like and can afford - rather than somehow blame a company for good marketing. The product is actually good I have owned many different bikes from all brands for over 40 years.

[@8153max]

I think the bigger early versions of the Suzuki intruders were pretty cool if you couldn’t afford a Harley… they are shaft drive… and cheap to buy… but they used a lot of plastic on the boulevard versions… the later design of this bike … the older ones made from 1999 to 2005 are the better versions… now I have a Harley Trike … because I’ll really old but not dead🤣

[@OldNotDead-Club]

lol, thanks for that. I was wondering how popular trikes are.

[@admireandinspire4525]

You buy a Harley and then you fix it yourself it's that simple and then guess what happens it works properly

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Wise words but not everyone is capable or has the time

[@davedoucette1256]

I think @13:11 you would be more of rebel, if you buy an Indian now. Yes the Harley might be king. But Indian right now is making a good push in the market. Try one. Don’t be brand loyal out of not at least test riding one. And no I don’t own an Indian. I have a 2013 Yamaha vstar 650 custom.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I'm sure Indian make a good bike but they look ugly to me. Why would you be a rebel if you purchased an Indian? Being a rebel is in your thought patterns not what you ride?

[@billythebake]

Is the Harley dealer ripping me off? Well, has the dealer misrepresented something? Has the dealer said they're going to do one thing, and not done it, or done something different? If the answer is yes, then I got ripped off, if the answer is no, then I agreed to the price and got what I paid for

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@chuckFlynn-z9o]

I think bikes are reasonable but there gear is up there but it’s Harley glad I own what I own