Natural Lighting for Houseplants Tips & Tricks! | Indoor Plant Lighting!

[@philodendronfam4262]

Hey Harli, the orientation changes for people who will in the southern hemisphere! If you live in Australia or New Zealand etc, then North Facing windows are the brightest and south facing windows are darkest :)

[@HarliG]

obviously not I can’t believe I forgot to mention that! Thank you for pointing it out

[@thomas.valladares2328]

Hey Harli I don’t know if you can help me but I have a caladium and it was doing pretty good but certainly some of the leaves have this brown spots and I don’t know what to do could you help me.?

[@demidron.]

@@blackdogultra Toilets don't flush clockwise in Australia. When you flush, the water comes down the back and goes up the front and rolls over. Toilets that "drain" seem to be an American thing.

[@jessross3926]

@@demidron. im in new zealand and i can say the same

[@anjomateus8067]

go fuck yourself

[@keradockins627]

YES so glad you point out that "tolerating" low light is not the same as thriving in low light!

[@naysneedle5707]

Every time I read that Sansevieria are a low light plant I get sad for all the Sansevieria out there that are dying a slow, slow death in low light :-(

[@Smacsek]

Don't forget to keep your windows clean! If they're dirty, less light can come in making for less happy plants!

[@BurningOrchids]

You also have to keep in mind obstruction outside. I have north facing windows in my bedrooms, but they're actually brighter rooms because there's no obstruction outside the windows, whereas my south facing living room is much darker because of the balcony overhang, pine trees and other buildings obstructing the light.

[@saksija1987]

Do you supplement With artificial light?

[@Helenjenna1]

If you can’t comfortably read a book in a certain room, it’s not a happy place for plants. Or something like that 😄

[@alex0589]

Which is why i only read in my car

[@18MelCR]

Helen Jenna yup Planterina always says that

[@gergelul]

Honestly I am not sure about that. I can read in pretty low light. I measured the light with my phone for an area of my house which is very dark and it mentioned 10 foot candles, where no plants could live, yet I can read without issues

[@Helenjenna1]

georgiana salajan you are the exception, not the rule 😁

[@gergelul]

I am just saying that it is a pretty vague rule

[@sheiscara]

I am a new plant mom. Got my first plant 3 weeks ago. I am so lucky I found you. I was just thinking about light and had so many questions! I think you did a great job describing different lights with your words. 😊

[@erinarmstrong555]

This literally couldn't come at a better time !! We are moving within a couple months, and I've been paying attention to light and windows. We will have a sun room this time ! Totally enclosed but windows on two walls. Boyfriend gave it the okay to be a plant room. 😍

[@18MelCR]

Erin Armstrong Omgsh me too!!! I’ve been nagging him about the importance of better windows at our new apartment

[@mandevilla2270]

Hi Harli, I watch your videos all the time and they're the best! This video is especially useful to me because I have a lot of plants and have been overlooking the importance of lighting needs for different types of plants. Some of my plants aren't growing well. They're alive, but they're not looking the best and not growing well. After watching this video, I've realized that I need to go through each of my plants and figure out if they're getting the right amount of light. I'm actually going to re-watch this video just so I can take down notes to help me out. Thanks again for this great video; it's a great help!

[@bethlaska7829]

I’ve watched quite a few videos on lighting for indoor plants and this was actually way more helpful than most. I’m jealous of all your windows. I don’t have any south facing windows. ☹️

[@naysneedle5707]

Some good observations about lighting there Harli. It illustrated to me once again just how bright our light is here in New Zealand, we have possibly the most intense sunlight in the world due to our low air pollution and our proximity to the hole in the ozone layer. We are also closer to the sun in summer and winter than the northern hemisphere is, due to the elliptical orbit of the Earth - or so I've read. I have had to move plants away from south windows (equivalent to your north) and shift cacti to west windows from north (your south).

[@nadiacheema]

Hi Harli 😃 the harder the shadow line is the more intense the light is. The softer the shadow means it’s getting the least amount of light. Love the video!!! This is very informative and helpful. 🙏😊

[@onicoles77]

This video is amazing! It's exactly what I needed and I have not been able to find it anywhere else. Thank you so much, especially for telling us where you place your plants.

[@Learehart]

I like how you said what plants do well in which facing direction.

[@drewbee6192]

Hi Harli! I went a bit overboard as a new plant owner with a whole bunch of houseplants without really doing much research beforehand (very smart of me) but your videos are helping me feel a bit more confident about keeping them alive! The information is super helpful. I have a weird apartment set up - two E facing windows and a S facing window that opens up to a covered porch with a big tree in front... Kind of weird and difficult for me to tell where the best light is, but I am moving the plants around based on their preferred lighting and keeping a close eye on them. Thank you for all of these fantastic videos! Keep them coming!

[@elvandylis867]

This was an important subject Harli, thank you for dealing with it. I've got a south east exposure with a somewhat spindly evergreen in front of it but all the plants except the Crassula's like it all year round. The succulents need the southwest exposure of my screened porch in Summer. It's important that your walls and ceilings are white for maximizing light levels throughout your home! A lot of pictures and things can lower light levels generally.

[@FreeRangeDiva]

Thank you, this was so helpful! I live in So. Calif and since I've started growing plants I've become more observant about where the sun is. At this time of year, the sun sets in the northern sky, so my west facing windows get minimal direct sun late in the afternoon/early evening. My north windows, however get a lot of light, including a little direct sun and eastern exposure is the strongest. And although we have a lot of south facing windows, they get absolutely no direct sun at this time of year! Would love to hear from others who live in the southern parts of the country.

[@Rebelliousrefinement]

Free Range Diva I live in Florida 10 minutes away from Pensacola Beach.. and the southern windows in my home get a lot of direct sun light in the summer.

[@lisapeterson729]

Wow this has been one of your most informative and helpful uploads. Light levels are so subjective and so many factors to consider! For us citydwellers, tall buildings surrounding your place, balconies overhanging above a window,tall trees,etc. These things can drastically lower light levels.

[@imkrane]

You're videos ALWAYS make sense Harli, the more you talk the more information we gain, I am just getting into learning more about house plants, I have always had some, but never really knew much about them, thank you for teaching me more about them...

[@Athenal0ve]

Fairly new plant mom here and loving it! Thanks for this. I continue to experiment with lighting, especially when trying to place grow lights this winter. So using a compass, I found out I have NW-facing windows (more W than N). The sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it makes sense that there's more light in the afternoon onward. I use insulated sheer curtains so I don't worry about cold drafts in the daytime anymore.

[@nataliemuntyan]

do you point your compass at the window to find the orientation or do you point it away from the window? This seems like a silly question but I can't find an answer anywhere!

[@Athenal0ve]

@@nataliemuntyan At the window. Hence my windows are facing NW.

[@blankminded4484]

I was watching one your older videos and you said you have a ghost?? I need to know more now lol. I love all your plants. I'm currently growing my collection.

[@Rachosss]

You should do an "ordering plant stuff on Wish" video!

[@jessicahart2172]

I totally second this!

[@ambriarowe884]

All scams

[@audenhere]

@@ambriarowe884 mostly unethical sweatshops

[@valeriesanchez3074]

Oh wish. Lol never again 😝

[@Heisenbrick]

I love how many plants you have in your house! You could say passionate, but I would say obsessed, love it!

[@hollyhasegawa6095]

Great video Harli, I think finding the right spot for each of our plants and then finding the right lighting is half the battle. Interesting on where we live changes the light we have. I loved this video, thank Harli, have a great day, bye for now.

[@madisonjeanfr]

this helps so much! i have about 6 plants and maybe 3 of them are doing okay or good and the others aren’t doing well at all. this answers all of my questions about lighting!

[@daisydominguez_designs]

I’ve seriously been searching for a video like this for so long!! Thanks girl 🥰

[@ashleysanchez9196]

Glad you posted a video on my "sick" day off. Very helpful!

[@alex0589]

Hi, you're fired.

[@justforentertainment2734]

Helpful. Your videos are becoming my new favorites. I'm learning a lot about my plants from you. What I like is that you explain general stuff so I can help my plants even without specifically researching each one. I do that too though. If that makes sense. Like basically you give things to look for watch out for and ways to observe a plant and it's behavior (growth/changez) and what that might indicate is needed to have More healthy beautiful plants. Today I was walking around homes depots. They had birdof paradise plants. Single pots for like 29 and bigger pot for 39 one plant per pot. I walked all over the sore determined just having a feeling there was going to be a less expensive one. I noticed a b.o.p. leaf poking out in a display of different large plants. I went over to look. It didn't have the ID tag that all the others had around the stem with a picture and full lable. l picked it up and it had a tiny white price tag on the lower part of the pot that said "birdof" and was priced at 19.99 with two big bop plants in the pot. Hidden GEM im so happy Woohoo!!

[@kchas1706]

I have only 1 small southern window in a bathroom and that's the darkest room in my house. I've even had low light plants suffer in there. My bathroom with a north window (larger window) is better for low light plants. Most of my plants are in my "plant room" which has, believe it or not, a west window😆 I just crack the blinds and don't fully open them - and the only plants directly in front of the window are high light plants. The rest are beside the window or across the room from the window (so like 12 feet?) I feel like I'm doing everything wrong but it works in my house. And no, I'm not turned around on my directions. The sun sets in the plant room window👍I don't even have a tree shading that window or anything and the room is blazing hot every evening compared to the rest of my house. 🤷‍♀️ I should also add I'm living at around 1250ft altitude so maybe that's why. I never heard anyone mention the altitude component ☺

[@MF-yo2db]

I have an app on my phone that measures the footcandles of light. That has helped me immensely understand the different exposures and distances because it's putting an actual measurement to it, versus just trying to wrap my head around the concept. Hope this helps!!

[@KrissiCreates]

Do you know what the app is called ? Would be very interested in that !!

[@lifechangesandnewbeginning2254]

That’s a great idea.. ty i am now looking for a foot candle app :). I get confused about the lighting as i move further back from the window. This will be helpful.

[@kerrimb8333]

Its sooo hard to figure out light requirements, it’s nice to see someone put a video out on it, and I’m thankful it’s you 🙌🏻 i only have like 1 southern facing window 🙃

[@taylormarie6608]

kerri mb same so all my plants have to be right there 😭😂

[@Jen-zk9se]

Oldie but a goodie 👍 I live in the Pacific Northwest and days are starting to get noticeably shorter I have more plants than last season so I’m gearing up for them to survive winter 🥶

[@tammykriskie2233]

Hi Harli .. Great light video, Thanks for sharing .. Your plants are Beautiful 🌿 Have a great day ! 💕💕💕

[@heatherbaldwin2099]

Yes it made sense! Hard topic to cover and you did it well. Some good tips here. Thanks!

[@dque_2U]

Lucky to live in San(Sun)Diego... I walk home looking at Plants people will Pay for... Gratitude

[@taylordenny1480]

Derek Quinn Same here! So many people in San Diego have “houseplants” thriving in their yards.

[@alexandreawetzel5925]

As a beginner I got a light meter. It helps so much to know simplify where to place a plant.

[@montessafenn5930]

This was a perfect explanation of lighting for plants & the information is extremely useful (also spot on) especially for beginner plant parents! You've definitely tackled some fantastic topics! I really enjoy watching your videos! Thanks for your fun & relatable personality & delivery! Fabulous! 😉

[@shreyax12]

Don't worry you made a lot of sense haha. This was really helpful. sometimes I just use the apps that show you the foot-candle or lux and just find how many foot candles the specific plant requires and it works for me.

[@lynndebruyn9275]

thank you for all the tips, i have a big window in the bathroom aswell, but we covered it with a special tape (so people cannot watch us in the shower), the plants also seem to like it, it is an extra filter over the sunlight.

[@jclaypool66]

I don't have hardly any windows but my hoyas do love the west window with sheer curtains 😊👍

[@giantslug5427]

This is super helpful! I just moved from an apartment that had huge Southern Windows to an apartment that has Eastern and Northern windows and I've been relearning which plants I can have!

[@noellehicks2551]

I’ve been watching your channel for a while and I love your videos. This lighting video has cleared up sooo many of my questions. Thank you so much for the wonderful info. Keep up the great work.

[@peggylee5021]

Hi Harli, your video makes perfect sense. I have west windows and light the light is of low intensity because of trees and UV coating, so I use supplemental lighting.

[@alexishallinin1108]

Looove your channel! It's very relaxing listening to your videos while working and learning how to better develop a green thumb :) I unfortunately live in an apartment with predominantly west-facing windows, so it's incredibly difficult getting my plants to thrive! I always want more plants, but it's such a sad trade-off when I don't have the adequate light to nourish them. Some day!

[@tamaddaleno]

Thanks so much! My dorm room next semester is going to be a west-window, compared to my south-facing one previously. This video was actually really helpful! I'm hoping my succulents will be able to transition effectively, but we'll see. Keep up the good work!

[@ImaniJoi]

I’ve watched pretty much all the light video and yours gave me the clearest picture! And it’s funny because you thought you weren’t making sense! Thanks for the help!

[@KaylayGrows]

I’m so jealous of all of your huge windows! I have windows in all directions but my east facing windows have a porch over them and the southern facing windows have another house blocking the light! So my house is LOW LOW light! I just moved in here and I’m trying to make sure they’re thriving! I just bought grow lights to see if they’ll help!

[@TheBlumann]

This video's editing was potent

[@naysneedle5707]

I would add that stunted and sometimes distorted new growth, and leaves that never fully unfurl, can also be symptoms of too much light.

[@katythrailkille1999]

I never realized the altitude situation! Thanks for fresh info, Harli!

[@HarliG]

I'm happy there was some new info in the video for you! Thank you for watching

[@debihediger4760]

!!Thanks Harli, MORE good information...as usual. I have an upstairs patio, and that helps most of my windows from being TOO bright of light. I really think all these plants help our air quality, so we need to help them with light, water and food! Again, thanks...enjoyed your video!

[@astridekko9229]

I don’t know if your croton is still in that spot, but I have learned that a Croton really wants a lot of light and direct sun, that seems to be true for mine, and lots of water too. just a tip ( let it gradually get used to more sun, but I am sure you know that right?!!) I love how you break up the windows, that was really helpfull. There are apps that measure the lux/lumen, comparing that, or putting that in would be really helpfull too, because that would give us exact numbers to go by. Love your video’s, have a great day! 👋🏼

[@desiraeebony]

Hi Harli! I absolutely love your videos! I love that you not only talked about the lighting but also mentioned the type of plants go best where. Question, I’m wanting to get a rubber tree but my apartment is east facing only. Do you recommend placing a rubber plant in my east apartment? Thank youuuuu for all that you do for us plant lovers!

[@mayn-s.5535]

Thank you for all your tips! Will need to rearrange my plants accordingly and hope they will be happier

[@gingerjerseyjew]

This video is everything I have been searching for!!!! Yaaaaas light recommendations 💡

[@HB-hb5rx]

Hey Harli! Don't know too many others with our name, so that was a cool surprise when clicking on this video :) Anyway, great video and definitely helpful! The only two windows in my apt are south facing so I appreciate you explaining how many feet away they should be. If you do make another one of these anytime soon, the only thing I ask is maybe just holding the camera and showing the window and the plants in the same frame just to see the exact placement in reference to the window, a little better. But again, super helpful video, many thanks!

[@eyesclosed3709]

I rewatched the Q&A with your husband yesterday and seeing the bed frame all I can think about while watching this video is that he hates it haha

[@HarliG]

Haha I moved the plants off of his side so I think he doesn't mind as much now :P

[@dque_2U]

@@HarliG Obviously Love!! Honesty is Very important... Cute couple

[@dque_2U]

Very Rare to find a Human that "Gets U"

[@melv.5530]

Now I want a bed like that so I can hang plants, but they would all be pothos! Lol, cause I have only one tiny window!

[@Selena8461]

Lmao same. Every time I see it, i rmbr that video

[@mnewt712]

Wow! You sure have a lot of healthy looking plants! Thanks for the info. Appreciate it! 😁👍👍

[@meganelemieux4690]

It is the best light video I've watched... so clear ans simple! Thanks

[@mrskimwilliams]

Hey! I love your videos! You have such a bubbly fun personality! Thanks for explaining lighting. I am new to house plants and I live in Ohio where it seems to be gloomy most often. I also don’t have very many windows in my home. I have held back on getting plants that I really love because of my lighting situation. Do you think you could do a video on artificial lighting for people like me who struggle with proper natural lighting?

[@terrymoose144]

This was great. Knowing that a east facing window is “medium” light is what I need. So south window must be “bright” light.

[@rootedinpgh615]

Really great video! Thanks!! Do you dabble in grow lights at all?

[@fishlover4life]

wow didn’t even think that altitude would affect light. I literally live 39 feet above sea level 🤧😂

[@jennero6868]

I’m a beginner, and this video was very helpful! Thanks

[@petercardona1559]

Really good breakdown on the different directions of light and their intensity! 🌞👍 Sidenote: Your hair looks absolutely great here. Girl you could be standing on a mountain waving it around in a shampoo commercial! 👩👌📺

[@KareemHadee]

Very helpful video. One of the most helpful videos I have found so far on natural lighting. I would like to see an update to this video in the future. I am also curious if your pet (can't tell if it's a cat or dog, I assume dog) eats or chews on your plants. I see you have a lot of plants that are highly toxic to cats & dogs. I would like to see a video on that (if you have one already please let me know).

[@thistleandtwine301]

Lighting is so tricky AND so unfair when your windows dont get much exposure, but getting grow lights helps a ton for my plants!

[@chelsiegragg7542]

This video is so helpful. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences.

[@sandyg8794]

Hi Harli ~ very helpful info on lighting! Thank you for sharing!

[@KatieCooksandCrafts]

But my house has in-between directions. My windows are north east, south east and south west. I also have awnings over the majority of my windows. It's all trial and error. I have heard bright indirect means the plant can see the sky but not the sun. I have some plants in my bathroom and changed out the light bulbs for 5000 Kelvin daylight bulbs and so far so good.

[@karenrani]

Katie Cooks and Crafts mine too!! I think I’ve figured out where most of my plants like to be, but sometimes it’s been a challenge!

[@MountainsnVallies]

Do you leave your light on all day?

[@KatieCooksandCrafts]

@@MountainsnVallies not on purpose but I'm a homemaker so I'm home (and use the bathroom) throughout the day. Also my children leave the light on as they come and go. It's on much of the day. They are led so power usage is not very high.

[@toinfinityandpandas1372]

I understood your explanations well :) thank you! I fell into the trap of buying all these plants and not researching or determining my light sources first. All of my windows are north facing and I'm bummed because it's the lowest amount of light (my north windows face a side walk with light posts so I get artificial light at night? Not sure how strong it is though) So far most of my plants are surviving but I know they'd be happier with more light. I was going to buy more grow lights but I also thought of getting mirrors to bounce the light around??? Maybe it might be more complicated than it has to be but as you can see Im back at the drawing board 🤣 that ends my rant.

[@VitaminV29]

I only keep house plants in my room because I don’t have my whole house to myself and I have one east facing windows. My plants are doing well right now:) I used to set my arrow head outside to get more light and the edges got crispy! And I was exactly like you! Before I got into plants I put one in my bathroom with no windows and I was like omg why did it die?! Hahaha 😘🤣🧤🌱👑

[@taimatsuko]

Thank you for the Shadow tip!

[@pammy4599]

WOW!!! That was the best explanation and use of examples of light i have ever heard. I have been watching and enjoying your videos for a while now but have never commented but for this i must and let me just say, "you know your stuff." Everything you've shared I've tried with much success, thanks. I think I understand the lighting in my small space a little better now too, lol I'm still moving some of my babies to better living situations lol "thanks to you " What's Next? :)

[@athulyaramesh6142]

Thanks for the video Harli.. This is what I was looking for.. I could not grab everything you said.. But I have a better understanding now.. 😍 Also my variegated syngonium with dark green and white variegation was turning to light green.... I kinda feel it needs more sun ☀... Thanks once again.. 😍

[@TropicalPlantGirl]

Very informative! Thanks for always being so educational! ❤️

[@HarliG]

Thank you for watching! (:

[@quietlyoutspoken420]

I love my place. The location in town, the layout is nice and amount of space has been working now for a couple years except the lighting! Most my plants would be dead if I hadn’t started using growlights to supplement the fact that my places only has a north facing sliding door and window also facing north in the bedroom. Hence why I’ve been interested in starting vivariums that have lots of plants and animals like frogs and small lizards. Gonna be a fun project!

[@p.knight6507]

Thank you Harli, this information is very helpful.

[@leahfern6959]

What about skylights? I have a rather large skylight in my bathroom ceiling that is 4 feet by 2 feet but probably a good 14 feet from my plants due to vaulted ceilings.

[@purplesavvy]

Thank you for the video Harley!! I was waiting for this 👍

[@vagabond-yj8pn]

Very helpful thank you.

[@grinstaspinsta]

Where would you recommend putting a somewhat mature (about 3') Norfolk island pine? Mine was too close to a heat vent so I moved it but it's right in front of a South/southwestish facing window. Is that too bright?

[@emilylovesbeauty38]

Wondering if living closer to the equator effects which windows have the strongest lighting? Love your vids!!

[@hi.im.monica9350]

You explain so well, but I still struggle with light. I have two windows, and I kinda have to do my best with what I have. And I try to keep my eye on stresses in the plants and relocate if I see any signs that disturb my plants. I wish there was an easy to read chart to follow and BOOM success but Im afraid it's not that simple :P Maybe you could make a video about how to make room for lots og plants when you have little space? (:

[@kaylaknot]

Nice job. Tough subject to clarify.

[@slizzynguyenner6442]

It’s so interesting to me how 🌱 care changes based on geography / altitude etc..we have a lot of the same 🌱 babies and my optimal ‘care’ is sooo different ~

[@corinna_maybe]

love your vids

[@fireflyintheroom]

Hi, Harli! I grow almost a 100 plants and I live in two rooms apartment with only north facing windows and they seem to grow very fine. I grow cacti, calathea, succulents, monsteras, and lots of different plants (you can find them in my KZbin chanel). 🌴🌵🌱🌿 It depends, but to be honest with that light I dont have too many problems :) I just try to keep plants closer to the window :) And it seems to work 😎

[@melc40276]

I also have north facing windows. It’s good to know your plants are doing well. I purchased low light plants.

[@sebastianjungle]

hi really intrested video. i would like to know where to put my monstera thi and the vaarigated one i keep then in west i am based in london. and i keep them like 1 feet away from window but is too close i have curtains on bur i am still getting leaves burn. any advice please

[@plantsandpiggies7758]

Hi Harli, Thanks, I actually understood this video. I think it's hard to explain but thanks, it's really helpful. And lol, I think I heard dog snores at 7:13!

[@erindewan6758]

I’m in Canada and I’ve kept my jasmine sambac blooming all winter long 2 ft away from a north facing window! Same with bougainvillea ... and my philodendron Brazil are about 7 feet from that window. All doing well with zero direct sun.

[@kaliyay7590]

I'm glad you said something about glass magnifying light. That's how my mom killed her succulents, poor things lol I'm about to move into a new house and I'm definitely making my boyfriend watch this video 😂 hes not into plants like I am, but he loves that my "hobby" is healthy and makes me happy

[@MsIrene-ur3is]

I just started watching your videos. What plants thrive with a huge south facing window?

[@celinaramirez5364]

Hey there 🙂 soooo I have a rippled peperomia and it grew a bunch of spikes that I'm assuming the flowers grow out of. If I cut them off will the plant continue to grow? It's pretty small and I would like to grow bigger. Thanks in advance, have a great day 😊

[@nataliacorral9281]

Girl, thank you for this video 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@kas5990]

You can say "the more light intensity there is" or I guess it would also be ok to say "the more intense the light is". Anyway, intensity (power per a unit of area) is a physical parameter:) (Yeah, already you said it at the end ;)) ps. sorry for editing this comment for the third time, but I just want to say that you could show the light exposure by some mobile app that measures illuminance in luxes, at least it gives some idea on the light:)

[@twistysunshine]

This has made me reconsider where I put one of my lil babies. I'm at a higher altitude than most of the planttubers I watch, so I gotta reconsider. Maybe this'll fix the problems I've been having!

[@Deydouh]

Omg your peace lily is GIANT ! How did you do that ! Mine is almost 4 years old and is still small :(

[@lucianobrancato8026]

I only have a tiny northern window. I put the plants that need the most light and that are my favorites in the window then the low light and plants I don’t like as much throughout the room.

[@kathywardeh4499]

I love your videos and you have a great personality I was wondering if you could show us how you Made The Metal holder for your plants behind you that holds the plant wondering if it was on wheels as well

[@mikesbigtank6015]

I would love to know about the rack the plants are hanging from as well!

[@camillekeepsreading]

Yay! Love this. Thanks Harli

[@HarliG]

Thank YOU so much for watching! I am happy you enjoyed this one (: