Harringay's Unbuilt Tube Station

The Piccadilly Line might have had an extra stop.
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[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

I, as founder of UERL, am very disappointed that my successors scrapped this, had I been in power, there would have been a station there.

[@gracewenzel]

Wahey lad! Looking good for 186 years old!

[@tbjtbj7930]

About this Tower Bridge you flogged me...

[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

@@gracewenzel Why thank you!

[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

@@memofromessex I don't have a clue how to access those types of websites.

[@CharlesTysonYerkesOfficial]

@@tbjtbj7930 ?

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Kudos to you for being articulate and comprehensive even with the apparent lack of material.

[@davidsummer8631]

Knowing that there could have been another Charles Holden station from that period of time fills my heart with sadness

[@bordershader]

As opposed to those Holden stations from all the other periods of time? 😉😆 Sorry. Couldn't resist. I do actually agree, being a big Art Deco and Holden fan.

[@johnoneill5661]

Friends of mine bought a house between Manor House and Turnpike Lane and strangely their fireplace and all the other houses they had looked at in that area had exactly the same tiles as those used at Manor House.🤔🤔🤔

[@hb1338]

Somebody in the purchasing department was trying to get ahead of the game.

[@iankemp1131]

@@hb1338 Or it may simply have been "wastage" on site as tiles fell off the back of a lorry ... A friend of mine bought a house that had previously been owned by a BT employee. All the radiations were painted in bright British Telecom yellow. It was a pain because however much he painted over them with white, the yellow kept showing through.

[@johnoneill5661]

@@iankemp1131 Funny how the tiles didn't break when they fell off the lorry 🤔🤔🤔

[@jeremypreece870]

Only Jago Hazzard could make a 5 minute video that you actually want to watch about something that might have been, that never was and that there is almost no information about. Well, for some reason it held my attention and I even clicked the like button. Maybe this means that I just need to go out more often.

[@johnaron9819]

You may have the same rare character disorder as me.

[@cv990a4]

Jago needs better marketing. For this channel, rambling is a feature, not a bug.

[@christopherwaller2798]

As a nearby resident, I am thoroughly disappointed that this never happened. It would help with the awful traffic on Green Lanes.

[@quintuscrinis8032]

Finally I understand why there is such a long stretch between Manor House and Turnpike Lane stations. Always wondered why the journey seemed to take so long between the two.

[@robertrich663]

It's the longest between 2 stations on the deep level tube. It's also downhill from Manor Hse, so there's quite a speed differential between the 2 tracks.

[@MervynPartin]

I didn't know that Bounds Green Station might have been cancelled. That would have affected many of my tube journeys as a young child, as it was the closest station to my Grandparents.

[@iansellers6104]

Similarly, our paternal grandmother lived just off Bounds Green Road, so it was from Holloway Road Stn for us. Mind you, it was a toss-up between the tube and a 221 bus, then able to be caught from the stop in Parkhurst Road opposite the Holloway Arcade (now gone)......

[@andrewemery4272]

Oooh. The linear minimalist maps are back!

[@johnaron9819]

I grew up in East Finchley and was very proud of my Holden tube station - every one of his beautiful designs had their own personality as a beacon for travelers.

[@bobcosmic]

Never disappointed when it’s Jago Hazzard!

[@Puckoon2002]

There is a building, looking very like a London Passenger Transport Board 1920's Sub-station on the corner of Colina Rd and Green Lanes, one junction to the north, and on the same side, of St Ann's Rd. The new flats just built there have been built around the older building.

[@thesteelrodent1796]

if you mean the little red building that's visible on street view, then to me (as a non-Londoner) I'd say it looks rather more like an electrical substation or ventilation shaft than an actual train station, but it does have some peculiar signs on it that may be a clue to what it is/was

[@Shalott63]

You do get these little places that are ventilation shafts and/or substations on that line. There's another one on the north side of Bounds Green Road roughly half way between Wood Green and Bounds Green (on the corner of Nightingale Road) - the architecture (where not covered with graffiti) is very similar to the Holden stations in miniature.

[@Shalott63]

PS And (now that I think to look at an old Google street view from before the flats were built) the one on the corner of Colina Road is very similar indeed to the one on the corner of Nightingale Road.

[@johnmurray8428]

Thank you, many memories from my youth. It surely would had been on Green Lanes, close to the present Goblin line station and the old Arena, which went in the late 60s. But before that had (ice)hockey, circus events and big night in the 1940s for Billy Graham. Outside; speedway, stock cars and greyhound racing. The tube could have had significant passengers then. I understand it was redeveloped after I left, but a tube station there would had made sense.

[@skellertons113]

Great presentation as always. In my time, Harringay Green Lanes was called, Harringay Stadium, with a platform exit to the dog/ speedway/stock car track.

[@routemaster19]

I suspect cost was also a factor as to build a station on st. Anne's Corner would have required London Transport to either purchase The Salisbury pub, a quite substantial building or on the opposite side there was the Coliseum Cinema which at that time would have been thriving so the owners would have been unlikely to sell. It was demolished in late 2000. Don't forget there is also Haringay station on the east coast main line which happens to then call at Finsbury Park, true its more to the southwest of Haringay but perhaps this also influenced their decision to not double up further than was absolutely necessary.

[@highpath4776]

I wonder why London Transport never thought of paying a pub to host a couple of entrances, retaining the building but repurposing part of it ?

[@Mark.Andrew.Pardoe]

Well, I’m glad it wasn’t built as we may have lost the “Salisbury”; a rather nice piece of architecture. When I visited it in the 1970s, it still had its original interior and was selling Courage Directors. Of course that may have changed in the last fifty years.

[@cjbear7397]

No Directors in the Salisbury now but still got great real ales and original interior... still a great pub 🙂

[@PlanetoftheDeaf]

Yes, looking at the map, the pub would have been an obvious place to put a station...

[@hb1338]

Courage Directors - there's a beer that has apparently disappeared. My local pub suddenly stopped selling it and couldn't tell me why - same story at the local supermarket. Online, it costs twice as much as London Pride.

[@StuartClary]

Just up Green Lanes at the junction of Colina Road is a vent shaft for the Piccadilly Line which might have been where it would be. There's an identical one half way between Wood Green and Bounds Green, which might or might not be connected with the uncertainty over Bounds Green's existence

[@template16]

The picture at 2:17 brought back memories. My Grandparents and Mother when a child lived in Henry Road and I believe another relative lived in Minster Road. Also an Aunt lived in Grove Road opposite. All long gone. Thanks Jago.

[@johng5474]

There is a ventilation building in Colina Road which used to be visible from Green Lanes. This might have been the site of a station had it been built. It is visible on google satellite

[@dpaikkos]

My thoughts exactly. They've masked the building now but it was clearly in the style of the stations at the time and, as it very near to St Ann's, could have been the site.

[@Shalott63]

The Colina Road site is too close to Turnpike Lane to be viable, I think. What is needed is a Piccadilly station further south, allowing interchange with what is now the Overground station.

[@geofftech2]

Tom, there’s the whole LU building/ventilation shaft one street up on Colina Road - which has access to the Piccadilly Line down below. Scroll to 1m 27s in my “More Secrets of the Underground’ video and I show you where it is ...

[@JagoHazzard]

I shall have to investigate!

[@D34dlyTidsy]

I used to live in Harringay like 3 mins from that pub. A tube station there would’ve been a game changer as the walk from Manor House was a huuuge ball ache

[@LeePorte]

I miss the ovals that they used to serve.

[@witzendoz]

Thanks for the memories, I have lived in Australia since 1969, but during the 60’s we travelled through Green Lanes on the way to London from palmers green. We also caught trains from Harringay green lanes station to Southend for trips to the seaside. Cheers and thanks for a very interesting channel, I still have a fascinating interest in London’s railway history.

[@rogernobbs6559]

Thanks as ever, Jago. I had heard a story saying that back in the day the residents in the area did not want a tube station as they thought it might bring the area down. Hard to imagine anything bringing it down from where it already is. (And yes, I do live there.)

[@premikyam2726]

Roger Nobbs, as in Stationers school , Hornsey 1978 ?

[@rogernobbs6559]

@@premikyam2726 guilty as charged. With a lot less hair and no more brains.

[@jacekolender1139]

One of my best friends during my time in London lived across the street from the Salisbury. Had the station been built it would have saved me many bus rides to the parties at his place. Damn you, Tube builders, you should've thought of me.

[@Steven_Rowe]

Hello Jago, I lived just off St Ann's Road and there is a building for the line which is in Colina Road and it is obviously a ventilation shift. Colina Road is the next turning in Green Lanes north of St Ann's Road

[@sams3015]

I always loved how the station called Manor House had nothing Manoesque about it. They could’ve had fun with that one

[@johnaron9819]

Man or house, half man half house.

[@Evemeister12]

The Salisbury... great pub

[@Apollo_Mint]

Astounding building.

[@stephenbrasher]

Indeed it is. Pub quiz on mondays. Occasional questions about the underground. :)

[@eddisstreet]

I think that Manor House to Turnpike Lane is the longest gap between underground stations underground (as opposed to Chalfont and Latimer to Chesham which is the longest gap between underground stations above ground). But it's also a long way from Finsbury Park to Seven Sisters if you ignore Manor House on the aforementioned Piccadilly Line.

[@Shalott63]

It think that Manor House to Turnpike Lane is the longest gap in tunnel between adjacent stations on the Piccadilly Line, but the stretch from Finsbury Park to Seven Sisters is even longer, and is in fact the longest gap in tunnel between stations anywhere on the system.

[@iankemp1131]

@@Shalott63 And there's a fair gap between Finsbury Park and Manor House as well.

[@DoctorPlacebo]

It always feels far between Manor House and Turnpike Lane and now I know why!

[@rogernobbs6559]

It is one of the strange time-stretching features of the Tube, how three minutes can feel like an eternity.

[@martinjones9226]

There are some ghost platforms on the Piccadilly line between Turnpike Lane and Manor House.

[@shodan2958]

Now there is an interesting video idea if there is enough of them. Let me clarify right, platforms for potential tube stations that were never built?

[@alanmoss3603]

Thank you for this - showing my old stamping ground! Many happy memories of years growing incredibly fat eating the amazingly diverse food sold along Green Lanes!

[@AndreiTupolev]

I'm interested what that garage, Specialists in Classic Fords, might be harbouring

[@apolloc.vermouth5672]

Sometimes a classic Ford is just a classic Ford....

[@WardyLion]

I’m glad they didn’t close Bounds Green as it was the local station for a friend of mine when they still lived in London.

[@ziggydamaestro]

I’m sure I saw a video many years ago, mentioning a possible station on one of the streets in the Harringey ladders. I *think* the video said there was still a shaft there. Wish I could remember the video!

[@johna5635]

I'd love to see one of these on Bushey Heath station.

[@weifengjiang7579]

You visited my hood! I do enjoy the nice speeds trains get up to between Manor House and Turnpike Lane. And yes the 29 and 141 do fill up along Green Lanes to then chuck half the punters out at Manor House

[@brenstratters2026]

A video about nothing, A chat about something that has never existed. Well I never, it must be Jago Harrard. Enjoyed. All the best. 😁

[@seanbonella]

Great video JH

[@fabrisseterbrugghe8567]

I'm glad they didn't abandon Bounds Green! It was my local tube station for about a year.

[@martinalooksatthings]

Harringay is my old yard- at one point in the video there's a shot of the student flat I lived in. I knew about the aborted station, I often thought if it when walking up the hill or waiting for the 29 to Manor House

[@leonardosantangeloshrimpto8951]

The other thing worth noting is the quite large ventilation shaft just up the road from where the footage was mainly filmed. The building is on Colina road and the folklore I was familiar with dictated that this was going to be the location for the station as there was an established theatre called the Coliseum opposite the Salisbury pub.

[@mrshannonite4016]

4:43 (the light brick section at the back of the pub) my aunt to to live in a flat there in the 80's. I would have loved a tube station close by when I visited, but sadly had to do the long walk from Seven Sisters.

[@michaelmiller641]

I've never heard of that mooted station!

[@AndrewG1989]

Harringay is quite a small area in North London and Harringay station on the Moorgate Line (East Coast Main Line) is visible much close to Harringay Green Lanes and both railway stations are some several hundred metres apart via walking distance. Bit like out of station interchange where you can walk from one railway station to the other within walking distance, cycling and/or bus ride. I have been to Wood Green with my mum to catch the shuttle bus to the Alexandra Palace building for a craft exhibition.

[@ibs3036]

I always thought station is gonna be placed, where now stands at West Green surgery. (The original majestic building) In fact, there is a station building right next to it .

[@godfreytables3141]

I'm glad they still built Bounds Green Station as I kinda need it.

[@JimBobLandi]

Did you go to see the nearby ventilation shaft on Colina Road? I always pictured that’s more where the station would have been but it’s still all so close to Turnpike Lane it just wouldn’t make sense. That shaft is currently in the process of being surrounded by much brighter new flats which will make it look even more out of place than it did before!

[@MrPeach71]

And the identical one, just a bit further up at Nightingale Road.

[@johnmurray8428]

@@MrPeach71that one I do remember.

[@JimBobLandi]

@@MrPeach71 and that one is being wonderfully left alone 🤣

[@annika_panicka]

3:53 Lol! Nobody was thinking that, but I have to confess that I often click on other videos 10 or so seconds into the silent outros, scenic though they may be.

[@peebee143]

When you know the Picc well you can appreciate what a distance there actually is between Turnpike Lane and Manor House.

[@richiehoyt8487]

Wow, haven't been on an underground train in 20+ years - and I can still get that unmistakable smell, even through the screen (well, _nearly!_ ) Not to mention the thrumm of the electric motors and the _skroonk!_ of steel wheels and steel rails. Wonder if the mice (rats?) still gambol about in the 'incident' pits?! And, yes, btw, as someone who used to live right at the junction of Green Lanes and -Upper Clapton- [ed. I mean, of course, 7 Sisters Rd. - funny how you can misremember!]/Woodberry Down(s?) Estate, I can confirm - it is a _looong_ drag up that hill to Turnpike Lane!

[@highpath4776]

Now we need a vid on that other St Ann's Road disused station, please.

[@simonharbertson3993]

Hi jago, there is a ventilation shaft between turnpike Lane and Manor House, at colina Road and there were plans to build a station there. But it never materialised

[@thejfg7741]

It’s new to U2? I didn’t know they were tube fans as well. I still haven’t found (the destination) I’m looking for.

[@SgtAStrawberry]

In hindsight it is easy to see what stations should probably have been built or what stations that probably shouldn't have been built. But what I would be interested in see is a video of stations that was planned but scraped like St.Anne's but who in hindsight was a good idea to scrap. Like there is still today to few people living there, or for another reason that might have been a reason for scraping it and that came true.

[@user-mn4cc6bb7t]

Given that Manor House and Turnpike Lane are less than 1½ miles apart, St Ann's Road would have been less than 15 minutes' walk from either. Even by the generous transport offerings of the metropolis, St Ann's Road would have been rather munificent.

[@General_Confusion]

If the Underground started doing things to avoid confusion, there would hardly be a need for your enlightening, informative and entertaining videos Jago. That would never do.

[@Inkyminkyzizwoz]

Thought the ending might be 'You are the unbuilt station to my Piccadilly Line' - I was half right!

[@roderickmain9697]

Fascinating. I'm liking the occasional series of tube stations (and/or lines) that could (and maybe should) have been. One of these days somebody will produce a tube map of how the system could have looked. Then you ask the question...how would that have changed London? Good sleuthing , Jago.

[@philkeller4170]

IIRC due to the distance between Turnpike Lane and Manor House stations there is still a ventilation shaft (and possibly emergency evacuation access) built during construction on the railway somewhere in the vicinity of the proposed St Ann’s station. It’s a pity that this was not built in such a way that it could be converted to a station at a later date though I imagine some would say that the volume of passengers using the pic means the disbenifits to existing travellers would outweigh any local benefits. I also seem to recall that during the early planning of the Victoria line consideration was given to adding a stop on that to serve the Harringay Green Lanes / St Ann’s area but that was dropped fairly early on.

[@mahammad]

3:57 what would have been the point of the third track? Express service? I had always wished underground lines had additional tracks with express service (other than metropolitan)

[@JagoHazzard]

I believe express services were the plan.

[@Jimyjames73]

Very good 🙂🚂🚂🚂

[@984francis]

Presumably, the miner reference was in a dusty archive😁

[@robertwood1416]

I know a bloke called Harry who went to Harringay. He lost his hat and his mother was displeased….

[@michellebell5092]

I’ve just been perusing the Tube &Rail map. At first glance , i note that Harringay-Harringay Green Lanes-Manor House is a triple station OSI. I must see if there are any others

[@shero113]

Same excuse why York Road hasn't re-opened. A pity express trains were abandoned really, but I guess they caused confusion.

[@MrGreatplum]

The Salisbury looks like a cracking pub - I suppose that may have been lost had the station been built so maybe it’s a good thing it was never built…

[@skendler5]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the vent shaft that was built a few metres to the south of St Ann’s Road, on the corner of Colina Road. A Holden-style building that sits on top of a vent shaft and it was always my understanding that a station would’ve sited there rather than opposite the Salisbury if it had been built.

[@stephenspackman5573]

Well, that was lovely, and wonderfully detailed for a non-existent subject. I wonder if you would be willing to make more of these in-depth examinations of things that don't exist, perhaps ones that are even non-existenter-stations that were never planned, stations that are not near any lines, stations at unreasonable depths or altitudes, in the water, and so on? Inquiring minds _etc.._

[@bordershader]

At the risk of sounding pedantic, if a station wasn't even planned, how would we know about it, and therefore have the dulcet-voiced Jago to do a video on it?

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@bordershader You must learn to trust Jago as I have learned to trust Jago. How many of the things he speaks of did you already know? And yet, he speaks of them. How much more should we trust him to speak of the things _no one_ has heard of?

[@johnaron9819]

If history, sociology, humorous banter, nostalgic enthusiasm, etc. aren't your thing, that's ok.

[@fenlinescouser4105]

Harringay lost out whilst Harrington got the hump. Levelling up in action.

[@MorganRyk]

The Salisbury is a lovely pub

[@Krzyszczynski]

Bet the LNER would have been glad to have Bounds Green abandoned. Their nearby station at Bowes Park lost nearly all its traffic virtually overnight after the Piccadilly extension opened.

[@teecefamilykent]

Brilliant video sir!

[@barrywood2806]

I do enjoy these brief episodes, and commend you for producing one about a station that has never existed in any form, except it seems in one or two minds before being scrapped. As an aside, I noticed in your brief picture of Oakwood Station that it appears to be spelt Oak Wood on the station frontage. I 've never noticed that before. Perhaps I'm just unusually alert today. Or maybe it's just the typeface that makes it look that way.

[@hb1338]

Not the typeface so much as the designer's failure to apply kerning tables correctly.

[@Itsmeh939]

As it for me it would make it gvery usefull for me by st anna road to turnpike lane i had to take 29 and 141 at rush hour i had to wait 5 buses

[@BionicSheep]

I've often wondered if the maintenance access point between Bounds Green & Wood Green (map co-ordinates: 51.602579, -0.119767) was ever intended to be a station. It's certainly much larger and more notable than a lot of access points on the tube - likely because the area was rather under-developed when it was built, so they had space to stretch their legs - and although it's only a short hop between the two existing stations, it's not unprecedented to have platforms so close together (cf the Piccadilly / District Line stations in Chiswick).

[@plebjames]

That would have been really convenient for my friend Sam, who lives on Warham Road about 1 minute's walk from there

[@trustywhu]

Pity they didn't build it. My commute would have been better. I worked at St Anns Hospital and we drank in the Salisbury. Christmas works party 2005 was blinding, great memories 😊

[@DavidShepheard]

Jago. I think you need to get yourself a big black cloak, with a hood, that you can throw up to the tube train window, so that you can film the tunnels and show us where in the tunnel an unbuilt station would be. There are some that are partially built and if you can resolve the reflection issue and get figure out the right lighting settings, maybe you can get a good look at what remains of the platforms.

[@PabloBD]

more hypothetical stations, please

[@MIkeDye200202holla]

I never knew about the third track between Finsbury Park & Wood Green. Is there a video there?🧐

[@johnusher1921]

I believe that what is at the corner of Colina Road and Green Lanes - only recently hidden by housing development - and very near to the junction of Green Lanes and St Ann's Road is a ventilation shaft for the line, so presumably the proposed station would have been adjacent. Interesting comment on an abandoned 'third line' - not sure if that meant that was built and abandoned or that it was planned and abandoned? Also that Bounds Green was deleted from the planning, but reinstated. Of course, that is an very close 'Out of Station Interchange (not well known) with Bowes Park on the Great Northern LIne, but as that line isn't (yet?) TfL, and doesn't show on the tube map, it can't be shown! Shame that, like at Haringey, the Tube/Rail and Rail/Rail stations can't be better connected.

[@apolloc.vermouth5672]

I think we're better off with the Salisbury. Nothing wrong with the walk from Turnpike Lane to Manor House, which is usually quicker than any motorized mode of transport along Green Lanes anyway. Harrumph.

[@brettpalfrey4665]

Nice on, Jago! maybe some more what ifs on the way?

[@jajabinx35]

Hidden fact: did you know green Lanes has record amount of traffic cameras installed. So much so, that if you stop and sneeze, you'll get a parking ticket.

[@WardyLion]

You’re not joking, either. They sent me a ticket for parking outside my house the other week. I wouldn’t mind so much but I live in Chesterfield!

[@llwyde1104]

The alternatives are speeding and bad parking...

[@jaakkomantyjarvi7515]

What, for driving under the influenza?

[@rogernobbs6559]

Funny how they seem to use the cameras to check parking rather than prevent speeding, particularly on the section between St Ann's Road and Turnpike Lane. Might as well be a drag strip.

[@PtolemyJones]

Why do I feel that in England, St. Anns would be turned into Satan's as local slang pretty quickly. LOL

[@JagoHazzard]

Or Stan’s.

[@PtolemyJones]

@@JagoHazzard maybe, but even when you enunciated "saint Ann's" it sounded like you had to make an effort not to call it Satan's! Lol

[@neilford99]

I think I saw you filming this.

[@MrTimothybee]

This station would have provided excellent access to the nearby and now sadly defunct and disappeared Harringay Stadium and Arena

[@annika_panicka]

I've never been to Harringay to the best of my knowledge, but it looks appealing in this video. I like the old, low buildings on and near St. Ann's Road. Was it spared from the Blitz? An imposing Charles Holden modernist station might look out of place, although with great ignorance and no thought I'm assuming he primarily designed rounded structures.

[@CheshireTomcat68]

Was kinda thinking unbuilt meant taken apart!

[@mrbojangles8133]

20/20 hindsight

[@bob_the_bomb4508]

A future Jago will make a similar video about the unbuilt HS2 extension to Manchester…

[@jamesbalchin4640]

It would of been on the corner of St Anne's road and green lanes it would of been where that new building on it also there's a substation along green lanes

[@stevewfreeman]

Maybe tfl should add that station. As you say its quite a long walk to manor house and to turnpike lane and the busses more or less gridlock at rush hour. While adding stations I think tfl also ought to extend the Victoria line from walthamstow to Whipps cross hospital (costs mean its very unlikely to happen - I know)

[@GeorgeChoy]

Another missed opportunity, thanks

[@AllHomesteading]

Opened the video with a task to take a sip of wine every time “Green Lanes” was mentioned. Sadly only got to drink twice! 🍻

[@AtheistOrphan]

0:06 - New to U2? I didn’t know they were train enthusiasts.

[@timgreen7409]

Ramble on, pls ramble on🙂

[@kidmohair8151]

the algo-deities of the tube-u-all like it when I type things in the space provided.

[@kidmohair8151]

actually. I'm sure they couldn't give a fig.

[@MikeWillSee]

3:57 I'd be curious to hear more about this mysterious third track. Would this have enabled express services in the peak hour? I'd love to see a video on it at some stage!

[@Petelmrg]

Now you tell me - all those miles I schlepped up to Manor House with my mum to get the Tube as a child in the 1950s and there should have been one on my doorstep. Those fumes I inhaled from the overloaded lorries creeping up the hill past Finsbury may have affected my health; who do I sue?