MASS REAPERS Is IMBALANCED Versus GRANDMASTERS?! | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid stuff

Apparently the first game was vs MaxPax's Terran. I didn't know at the time, but he told me afterwards.
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[@abagofwater1076]

It truly is ridiculous that the hand held grenade doesnt displace a 100 ton robot.

[@Jordan-Ramses]

There is a KZbinr who has a balance complaint form. He should send it in. Are Thors imba or do I suck?

[@Jomi91]

closer to 1000

[@yasedky]

Don't forget what he said next "as it should do :-😀)

[@tarvoc746]

@@Jomi91 That raises A LOT of questions.

[@labean112]

If those grenades could bounce a thor imagine what they would do to a marine...

[@Hailanthedaddy]

"There is no more splash damage" (bashes the planetary with reapers)

[@Rooachie]

Kevin is special. Thats why he always wears a bycicle helmet. Its invisible but its there, trust.

[@biserrizov6863]

"I don't deserve this loss" - said like a true terran :D

[@sycariummoonshine7134]

Ahaha!!

[@damedley75]

He's not playing Mech, he's playing "what will stop 100 Reapers?"

[@Jordan-Ramses]

'Is this for KZbin?' Is a very polite way of asking if you are playing like an idiot on purpose.

[@EternalHappElements]

@@Jordan-Ramses or, 'can I hurt you with more than one way?'

[@jeffreywilliams3421]

Hearing reaper spamming described as some kind of pyramid scheme was cathartic, somehow

[@m3thisse]

"Apologize for playing that race" is a famous, even tho pretty old raging line from Idra. Pre Heart of the Swarm i think. (It's probably a joke because he knew who you are, that is, a protoss main)

[@entropie-3622]

Yeah I feel like the Toss was just joking around since the comments were so over the top without using swears etc.

[@m3thisse]

@@entropie-3622 I would note that it's a joke in bad taste with someone you personally don't know, insta blocking the guy wasn't too far from adequate reaction.

[@GoXDS]

yea, it was very, very likely a joke. but it's absolutely fair for Harstem to not be feeling it

[@komet5420]

he should have dropped it when there was no response, but he had to double down... man's gotta realize when he's not funny but just annoying.

[@alpha-cf2oi]

@@GoXDS also depends on ur current mood, as he said he was alrdy tired and stuff, thats when u get annoyed of such things and dont see the joke in them as u would normally

[@damedley75]

I rarely root against The Captain but this performance has spared the ladder from a wave of mass reaper cheese.

[@brianfhunter]

I dont even play starcraft and I think mass reapers is extremely infuriating thing to deal.

[@BreadAndGatorade]

The barcode was making a reference to your Idra story from yesterday by saying "Apologize for playing that race", lol

[@pablovirus]

Ooh thanks for clarifying, I thought they were being a massive dick lol

[@EternalHappElements]

Mass reaper as a opening was fine and I really think you didn't have to stick with it in order to finish your opponent. When banshee tanks come out you are just fighting uphills. Despite huge worker kills in the beginning. The rest is just painful. It could have been beautiful...now it becomes a grind.

[@idirbouchdoug1567]

"Beating Grandmasters With Stupid stuff"

[@adamnevraumont4027]

Flying reapers! Put reapers in medivacs.

[@coaiemandushman1079]

I miss the time when the reaper had a grenade attack for attacking buildings which made them better.

[@sevenpolar3483]

They removed that because it was imba, in fact reapers have received many, many nerfs since they started because of how Imba they used to be.

[@Fragath1]

@@sevenpolar3483 As far i remember in WoL reapers was not used at all. They costed 50/50 but required tech lab to build. In HotS they where redesigned - the granade attack for building was changed in to ability, they got a pasive heal ability, and not longer required tech lab to build.

[@sevenpolar3483]

@@Fragath1 it depended when you played WoL, reapers got a lot of nerfs during WoL before the redesign, the redesign was clearly a response to how difficult the unit was to balance

[@Burt1038]

@@sevenpolar3483 Yeah but a lot of the imbalance was because back then a lot of main bases only had a single cliff to jump so the Reapers could come in from anywhere.

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

@@Fragath1 dude they used to go 5 barracks report with the speed upgrade. They were so broken.

[@mihanoid_sc2]

"Protoss players are the most mannered" Also Protoss players:

[@Mike-dm5ut]

Pretty sure it wasn’t a tos main but a barcode off racing

[@mihanoid_sc2]

@@Mike-dm5ut an agent of the cabal seeking to sow the seeds of hatred between terrans and protoss

[@nikitosha1000]

Just remember that Harstem is a protoss player, and he waited for a pause even after that starting messages.

[@BreadAndGatorade]

Don't build reactors with mass reapers. You have excess minerals so just build barracks

[@kirbyfan135]

The harstem curse, any time you say "i see no world where im not completely dominating this game" and then proceeds to watch 3 tanks and 20 marines show up on his doorstep while he has 7 reapers... or just loses outright

[@chir0pter]

35:42 this is a great and very healthy attitude to have to harassment or annoyance in general. If we could all learn that at an early age we'd all be better off

[@mrm95]

Virtuous cycle is the opposite of the vicious cycle. 😉

[@Nargon604]

Being an SCV in Harstem's army is dangerous

[@davidhodge9355]

I love the fact that you are humble and human enough to post losses as well. I'm not fast enough to play past AI but I do enjoy watching skilled player

[@whateverppl1229]

a little tiny grenade trying to push a MASSIVE thor, yeah ok bud. SURE, that's logical

[@Mike-dm5ut]

Cause everything else in sc2 is logical

[@Sunnysideanyway]

Suspension of disbelief, my friend. It is a video game.

[@agressivemarsupial6048]

a nydus network provides travel faster than light. logic doesn't matter.

[@TransTess]

Massive units being immune to knockbacks and lifts are one of those times 'logic' actually makes good gameplay through counters.

[@romerlausa7805]

Love seeing mass reapers move. Multiple active jetpacks looks cool.

[@nashobadickey-souza6907]

Hastens discovery of the upward spiral is legendary.

[@nguyenhoanglan9081]

I geniuely thought on the thumbnail that this is one of an IODIS episode.

[@TritonTv69420]

Damn its impressive you can talk as fast as you do while DESTROYING your opponent.

[@dogfoot1874]

You should allow bunkers with marines for defence

[@rbotnevik]

Thors are Massive units my man 😅, so same goes for Archons and UItras

[@TransTess]

Reminded of my experience in bronze facing mass reapers. Very frustrating... Till I started rushing defensive cannons, then it's just very funny watching them leap into surprise cannon fire :D

[@henningbreede6428]

That should be an autoloss for you.

[@TransTess]

@@henningbreede6428 In Bronze, nothing is an autoloss.

[@whateverppl1229]

I just make oracles, I'm a rat so after dealing with the reapers I see it as an opportunity to go carriers

[@CanDellJack]

After the first 5 minutes I kept just repeating "Vikings. Vikings. _Vikings._ Like, two friggin' Vikings!" to myself and hoping you'd counter the banshees. And then it was BCs trying to catch Banshees. My little Mantra didn't come to fruition.

[@thwompalot5000]

I recommend submitting this replay to IODIS for imba review of thor.

[@wgkgarrett]

I would love to see a BGMWSS with a high tech zerg rush, getting to ultra's or broods as quickly as possible.

[@henryraymond9003]

Best of luck tomorrow vs Nice!!!

[@collindwebb]

you should be able to do reaper + thor instead of reaper + b.c. -- thors are just big reapers, so tall they can hit air units. like how colossus are long zealots.

[@damedley75]

🤯🤯🤯

[@pablovirus]

Hahahha made me chuckle at the thought of colossi just being longbois

[@purpleganja2]

This reaper and bc game looked like a Han & Horner game without airstrikes and flying reapers ;)

[@kirkarseneau3008]

@30:50 SAAAAVED!!!

[@KiR_Tank]

"it's like a pyramid scheme, but it works, trust me" Finally some honest guy, take my minerals

[@inigofreed4373]

Your grasp of basic mechanics is hilarious to me. I'd just like to clarify you are better at sc2 than me. reapers hit twice for 3 damage, so +1 is amazing for them but thors have so much armor reapers do almost nothing to them, despite the fact that a swarm of light units also takes little damage from a thor, reapers don't counter thors. I learned this playing the zerg hex custom game vs Scarlett. also grenades don't bounce any massive units. That is a core part of the massive tag.

[@jimnguyen6337]

why mute last guy, i think its fun for the viewers to feel his rage

[@andreashalbfeld7671]

You're a content MACHINE!

[@oliround]

Congratulations on your success :)

[@asdfasdf-mn8iu]

No massive unit can be bounced by the grenade, ultras even more so because they are frenzied and immune to any displacement or slowing. They're not slowed by marauder grenades, can't be abducted, can't be neuraled, can't be lifted (although that also applies to massive units). Also i'm fairly sure thors don't really counter BCs well, do they? If you teleport on top and just yamato them down, they should beat thors, no?

[@brandon0sh]

Local top 10 european starcraft 2 grandmaster learns that a tiny bouncy grenade doesn't toss 59 ton zerg eldritch horrors with tusks like skyscrapers

[@The1nOnlyFelix]

Should file an IMBA complaint Form that a reapers hand grenade doesn't knock back a 150 Ton machine

[@HENTAICOMBO]

The first game really Epic didn't expect reaper cheese turn in to an Epic game That game seem really fun to be in

[@pirds102010]

also good in this situation in TvT, when you have more bases than him, but he has thors, go basetrade the orbitals with the battlecruisers and go ghosts and mines or even banshees. Nukes could have changed this game a lot

[@Crit305]

This was painful to watch to say the least, but congrats on the win in the end lol

[@bofaybaykweh]

The captain forgot about raven buffs in game 1, lost so many turrets for it 👀

[@wowscortcher]

I guess now it's myth busted for the Protoss players being the mannored, royal, superior human beings :))

[@megadeth-1a885]

Sketchy how homeboy came back from 0 SCV's and was able to afford 6 tanks plus banshees

[@tux8000]

TBF I think Vikings would probably be a decent addition for mass Reaper just to cover AA needs and as high-ground vision.

[@BabaSboy]

thors weighs a ton hahahaahhaa Good Job! Keep up the good work Lodi!

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

Harstem has a lot of feedback on the reaper for the next balance summit at least

[@paulyap4057]

The English term for the opposite of a vicious circle is a "virtuous circle ".

[@caiobastos9085]

Should have built 1 viking at home to stop those banshees

[@HENTAICOMBO]

No captain you should not mute anyone that toxicity give me a good day

[@NanoLT]

I think that protoss said, Sorry for the pause and Say, say when R to play

[@Federico-1]

*This man is tournament ready*.

[@jeffr3773]

Well now I reakon I ain't never seen nothing quite as STUPIFYING as all of this here. Well done!

[@benjamindeh873]

45:15 salty toss after playing kinda cheesy

[@onyxthedark]

must have been Serral getting back at you

[@fatdumbledore1337]

u should go for medivacs additionally if they turtle up.

[@colemantanner9360]

This was truly upsetting to watch. I'll watch the second half latter

[@pvaupe2729]

Good luck in your game tomorrow, when exactly will u play?

[@dirkbester9050]

I just tried it and can confirm that grenades are broken for all buildings as well. No bouncing! I wonder how far and wide this bug is?

[@jepasdenom7643]

15:18 Well if the guy goes full banshee tanks, you can full BC ngl

[@IcedLance]

So there are Silver League Turrets, turrets that defend wrong stuff. Then there are Diamond League Turrets, turrets that defend the important stuff. And then there're Masters League Turrets, turrests that defend nothing at all.

[@AndreasIndustriePro]

the word you're looking for is "snowballing"

[@Supergoon1989]

New idea for BGWSS: Gas-Sabotage. Focus All effort on destroying your opponents Gas mining facilities (Extractors/Assimilators/Refineries) and prioritise killing their workers that are mining gas before other workers. I'm thinking a lot of good micro drops might be able to get this done, and then pick up and go to a new base and do the same thing.

[@damedley75]

He did this at least once. Disastrous when it forced Terran to just build stim marines and thrash him! 😅

[@ashot11223]

LOOOOL this is like the payback for uthermal lololololoool

[@philipchen9367]

Sorry harstem , my head wasnt in it that day , i shouldnt had acted in that way

[@oxXBubbleXxo]

love how the first game harstems macro made him able to just bindge insane amounts of units into the terran and still fail to win :D Shoutout to my plat boys

[@timbarker5206]

Ahhh a Virtuous Circle...

[@sycariummoonshine7134]

Mass reaper is always pure entertainment.

[@davidogles8749]

Captain, I'm starting to think the name of this channel should be "Losing to Grandmasters with stupid stuff" ha :)

[@pirds102010]

in the first game you could have waited way longer with the engagement, lift the third, scv up and reaper up, make even a viking and set up a 360 surround thanks to the reapers and when he seeges your natural, THEN attack. Your lack patience is your barrier man. And your fear to lose also, just play the game and switch tech

[@nickrowles103]

Did we ever find out who the barcode at the end was? Hopefully Reynor.

[@MrStevegibb]

OK so I know it dishonourable but when you are base trading with an opponent you have air they have ground you need to fly your cc to a corner and then wipe out there base before they realise they can't get to all your buildings.

[@shadowsift]

I thought harstem was playing today in the esl! Did I miss it?

[@bobbyd7159]

He plays at 7 am US Eastern time on Wednesday. Little over 8 hours from time of this comment

[@MrCreed145]

Game one would have been an easy win if he would have actually put reactors on any of his barracks haha. Building just reapers one at a time from only 5 or 6 racks. 17 minutes in he started reactors. If he would have treated them like Zerglings he would have won like 8 minutes in. Only ever had like 20 at a time though.

[@kshibby43]

You should send that first game into harstem is it imba or do I suck?

[@donw7962]

Kinda feel like you missed a great cheese opportunity to show a marine and hit with 10 reapers

[@leeyu8619]

grenade should bounce a thor? that wouldnt make sense. but then again it doesnt make sense that a grenade can bounce a cyclone. how silly would it be if you could grenade a command center and have it temporarily lift of the ground or even knock back away from a mineral line xP

[@starnostras]

Reaper Ponzi Scheme? Sign me up.

[@WeirdViking]

You cant be serious he thought thors would bounce :D

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

This tiny grenade that deals like 5 damage doesn't bounce a robot the size of a skyscraper? Ridiculous, Blizzard you have to fix this because this is clearly a bug

[@AndrewArts]

Used too many scans on those banshees early on instead of mules, I feel ravens would have worked way better than the BC's. They could have disabled the tanks and thor's and you could have gotten more minerals for more reapers!

[@Supergoon1989]

I'd prefer it if you hadnt blocked that protoss player, I kinda wanna see what he said. I bet there was some absolutely delicious salt at the end of that game, and now all of us will never know... :(

[@strateeg32]

The opposite of vicious circle is a virtuous circle

[@lagtowns]

Man, I don't even play this game, but I am screaming that he's not going after the full base trade and keeps engaging with the Thors in game 1.

[@devon752]

How did you lose that first one smh my head

[@badoverwatchhighlights7614]

a vicious cycle or a victorious cycle or both?

[@martinwinther6013]

vicious victory

[@derrickjenniferdunn8621]

"positive feedback loop" is what you are looking for at 00:35.

[@user-ob1sb1wf5p]

It's an idra quote!

[@SuperSullyVision]

This is just gross. Enjoyable, but gross. Should add ravens for turrets after 10 mins and a max of 5 on the field just to zone out prisms... Or reaper with 5 bc's great content

[@holysaintknight343]

GG

[@oo-bb4qs]

Terrible early turret placement and no splits vs the tanks hurts to watch. Sensor tower?

[@kurtremislettmyr7108]

you could have ended the game earlier if you weren't so afraid of entering his base. you basically didn't use the best feature of the reaper, the cliff jump.

[@EmperorMengsk]

Thors are heavy AF

[@Amoeby]

I guess, the most satisfying thing when you play against bm players is to read their absurd messages and block them only if they continue to write you after the game.

[@waggerdagger2831]

I dont get how he can do a comeback when you in the beginning wipe out all his scvs like twice...

[@elijahpeck3540]

Lol massive units are exceptions to many effects

[@yasedky]

Why you didn't clear the depots This could helped a lot in the first gMe

[@xelnaga4576]

Mass reapers and BCs to GM. BeastyQT moment stuff.