Has Bioware FAILED to Make Dragon Age Races More Unique?

#dragonagetheveilguard #bioware #dragonage
Dragon Age Veilguards Character Creator has failed to impress me. Its homogenized all the races, making the differences between them less and less apparent, actually making the overall character creator less diverse.
Another nail in the coffin for bioware? Hows everyone feeling about the character creator so far?
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[@Kross415]

Races in the past were unique, now they're just shorter humans, horned humans, long eared humans and...humans. It's not the only thing that feels very watered down in this entry.

[@123domo8]

@Kross415 lets be honest, though, dwarves were always just shorter humans.

[@scorpioflameth2162]

@@123domo8 Nah, elves were shorter humans. But it played into fantastic (literally) racism, because there were next to no visual difference apart from ears and lighter build...

[@wzj7067]

Even the bestial races are becoming essentially humans with a bestial look. They dress in human clothes, behave like humans, think like humans, sound like humans, have human cultures, and even their anatomies are losing unique traits and becoming human anatomy reskinned. Artists nowadays cannot innovate without making everything human-centric and I find these concepts if different races more and more boring.

[@davidurban7346]

It’s why the Rings of Power sucks. The races don’t feel unique anymore. Everyone is just another kind of human. I guess fantasy races need to look and act like “modern” society.

[@tonyug113]

no - theyre now a mixture of cartoooney -- and dead ugly - for the women mainly --- The monsters are utter shi$#te though -- the onkly decenbt face i seen on playthroughs was varric and solis wjich they stole from previous version.

[@rsick266]

I agree 100% Creativity it's lacking so hard, or maybe just lack of genuine interest and passion.

[@dearen7588]

@@rsick266 it's honestly made to not offend certain people I'm not allowed to criticize

[@tonyug113]

@@dearen7588 its from dwarfs/ elves to robots the woke are utterly incapable of producing/dealing with non-human characters (or women). remember for instance when c3po and r2d2 were basically equal stars of star wars

[@Will-m4s]

All true. You got to break boundaries. Not limit them.

[@AndragonLea]

Qunari looked amazing. Not just because they're so different but because it firmly aligned with their story and society. They were a fiercely disciplined warrior society. New renditions look like a Best Value Klingon in a cheap parody of Star Trek.

[@HazVsRPG]

This is a top quality descriptor I like it a lot.

[@LloydChristmas-vx2wh]

😅

[@Grogeous_Maximus]

Qunari were frightening and gorgeous, almost like the Xenomorph. Now they look like parodies of their former selves 😢

[@Urukage]

I know I'm a bit of an echo chamber for your opinions on these things, but yeah. 1000% accurate and I agree. This character creator absolutely a Timmy creator. Have you seen the comparison that someone did with the head sizes? For some reason the heads are too big. Perhaps it was an attempt at a stylistic choice, but it does not work out. Take a look at other pop culture and how long-time franchises with alien species have evolved, like the klingons in Star Trek. Even with hair, there's a zero percent chance that every race in a fantasy setting would have the exact same hair types or styles. Even within IRL humans there are vastly differing hair types (thin, thick, oily, dry, straight, curly, wavy, etc). By the way, I absolutely adored RIFT. And I can't agree more regarding body shapes. Where's my dwarf, carved from a MOUNTAIN, thick and chiseled? Slightly balding hair but thick and braided with adornments throughout (including his beard). But also happens to have massively muscled glutes? Or you know, sometimes a fella just wants to run around as a lithe elven beauty who is jaw-dropping gorgeous. This can be subjective, sure, but with how this low effort creator functions, we are locked into Mr. and Ms. MID.

[@HazVsRPG]

1000% dude. A little effort from the dev goes a long way. This is why Skyrim is so successful, as others have already mentioned. It's a game we're races are different. Everyone's different. It feels more real, and less 'cheaply made'. Even if Bioware leaned into this angle even a little it would go a long way.

[@yeetusdeleetus4697]

Jsyk the reason the heads are big is to delete the "clipping" issue that plagued every prior Dragon Age game (and probably one of the worst offenders ever) that they were only able to solve by Race-Locking armor, which people hated. So now they found a proportion that works for scaling across all races, its why they look a bit bobble-headish. Its because theyre all a bit closer to dwarf proportions.

[@noctoi]

Is it really just an echo chamber if the issue is actually an issue though? Especially if we're screaming into the void and the Devs and friends are calling us - and I quote - "Fucking tourists"? It's really starting to feel like the echo chamber is BioWare, IGN and the Community Panel. If they'd actually address our concerns in a rational and logical way, rather than ignoring or insulting their POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS we wouldn't be echoing nearly as much. It's infuriating and I'm basically getting to the point that I not only don't want to buy the game on principle but I kind of regret ever paying for the previous games too.

[@BrokenFluorite]

@@yeetusdeleetus4697 honestly, I think a lot of people would have preferred race-locked armour on a good looking model, than this parade of uncanny funko pop bobble-heads

[@jeremypurdy1833]

The Qunari have lost all of their exclusive features that made them look incredible. Iron Bull aside, they've never looked better, and more original, than DA2. And that game was only produced in one year. Fast forward, Veilguard was a reported four year project and they look infinitely worse than their DA2 counterparts. Hell, they even look like a downgrade from Inquisition. And they're even using a better version of Inquisition's game engine. How the heck does this happen? Qunari do not look as if they have the LEAST bit amount of dragon in their dna. The lord being that they are magically infused with dragon essence or something, hence their huge vitality, volatility, strength, HORNS, features, etc. They look like cosplaying humans in Veilguard, it looks like a bad joke. Solas' look is worse as well (he's an Elf, and Elves are spirit entities in Dragon Age, although many alive do not share that heritage anymore. They are almost all exclusively Thedas-born and Earth-raised creatures, so they're allowed to look more normal imho. But Solas it's not. He is an ANCIENT, multi-thousands of years old Elf who was born in the Beyond; the Fade. He looks as normal and genetic as everybody else does!) At the end of Inquisition, there was some slight differentiation, but you could put Solas next to That annoying party elf chick and you could see that they were different. Cleeearly different. And his unique, awesome look and demeanor in Trespasser DLC its gone in Veilguard as well. I don't like anything about the Veilguard's art direction. I think from the ground level up, it's trash. It's genuinely the first DA game I'm specifically avoiding. I've seen too much of it, and all of it i hate. The over-emphasised glow in the UI, the characters, the bland dialog, the art direction, the dumbed down companion combat and unable to control them (they also deal 0 damage, wtf? They're immortal and do 0 damage, gtfoh...) Jfc this game is trash tier. I can't believe they developed such a bad game. This is supposed to be practically near-grim dark, but we're now in... Peak soft-modern high fantasy. How the hell did this happen?

[@tonyug113]

Aand not even starting on the demons and monsters theyre like hollow cartoons

[@seeinred]

@@tonyug113 was about to write this, but you beat me to it. Not even cartoons, just straight-up fortnite crap.

[@Lamenter69]

Iron bull looked like a bull and was bisexual, wtf does that have to do with Qunari lore lmao

[@denisegesilva3082]

It’s lacking in taste and thoughtfulness not only in their CC, but also across the board. Their armor and clothes are mostly ill-fitting and poorly art directed, as well. Their dragons don’t look scary and instead look like Pixar baby bobblehead dragons. I have a suspicion that they had toxic positivity in their work environment and everyone held back in criticizing each other’s work.

[@HazVsRPG]

You had me at pixar baby bobblehads 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@denisegesilva3082]

@@HazVsRPG 😆 well it's true, I mean just look at them. Anyway, I'm also an art director / graphic designer, so I get your points. This would've been any creative's dream job, there are so many missed opportunities here for superb character design. It's so odd that they did not think to collect pictures of past Qunari, and build something great from that.

[@fleshtonegolem]

When I saw the dragon fight, I just felt like I was watching someone playing with children's toys. Nothing about the dragon induced fear. The whole head/body ratio they are forcing on everything makes things look "cute" and that is NOT what Dragon Age is supposed to be.

[@Shrieqer]

They turned high fantasy into mid fantasy. This is the worst timeline for art and storytelling in media.

[@Shrieqer]

​@denisegesilva3082 in an era where people are so unhinged that they complain that orcs from D&D are racist it's no surprise to me that all fantasy races became homoginized lumps of uninspired crap. Orcs in the new 6th edition books got the same treatment as the Qunari design wise. Why even bother having those races anymore if there's nothing unique enough to make them stand out from humans?

[@diagadumah6073]

It's not pretentious my dude, its the straight up truth. The perspective of someone with experience, who has mastered the craft in question. These game devs, and studios, need to be listening to this. Otherwise we're going to continue to get Timmy from the groierie store.

[@HazVsRPG]

I dont understand what the infatuation is with this whole angle. Its blowing my mind to see it over and over. meanwhile from soft hitting homerun after homerun.

[@diagadumah6073]

@@HazVsRPG 100%. The only logic I can think of is, it's "easier", or maybe "cheaper" to just grab some un-art-touched faces, clean them up a bit and toss them into the code-blender for some sliders. And if that's what it is, it's pretty damn sad. Any logic beyond that, just goes to a darker place I'd rather not consider lol.

[@fliplife67]

BIOWARE failed to make a game that can stand only away from the shadow of Mass Effect.

[@wudipyori]

100% Agree... though DA2 has its flaws.. they nailed it with the Qunari.. DA: I .. the Qunari was like some weird looking minotaur... can't speak for others on this but this is definitely a huge disappointment to have waited 10 years for this..

[@dirkbsilver9260]

Skyrim has some ugly characters but they did have true variety in the races. These all look like Sims. I don't want Sims fantasy edition. DAO had hard wide dwarves, elves were alien and pretty, while Sten the qunari may be human like but he is hard and odd, humans could be strong and lovely. Say no to Sims Fantasy Edition.

[@HazVsRPG]

100% Skyrim is behind the times graphically but at least the races looked different. Even though the game was technically limited. It's just about putting in the effort to feel unique, not the same as everyone else.

[@High_Rate136]

@@HazVsRPG It should be noted that Skyrim is limited in comparison by today's standards! (though Batman Arkham Asylum looked better, it wasn't as massive).

[@ponli7532]

The game directors only previous title was a Sims DLC, you can't make this up.

[@australienski6687]

Probably the same engine, EA forces all their studios to use their crappy engines.

[@metpach]

Skyrim looks the way it does because Bethesda games just look ugly. They always have, they always will until they get rid of that crappy engine. But it's art design is still light years ahead of this game.

[@spazmagoog]

Ah yes, all my favourite fantasy races: Timmy Timmy with horns Timmy with pointed ears Timmy again but shorter

[@ivoryowl]

_"Oh but that's really difficult to do, it requires more labor and stuff..."_ It's not the costumer's responsibility to care about your problems. Your role is to provide the best product you can and theirs is to decide whether or not to buy it. The idea that something shouldn't be done because it "requires extra work" is becoming increasingly common as a justification for mediocrity and laziness. This is why it's important to hire the best people for the job, and not just some under-qualified schmucks to fill some quotas.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah its been an excuse used publicly by game devs in defense of why somethings been crap - which has never sat right with me, as a game dev. I always thought to myself, when has game dev ever been easy? like i dont understand why you would literally state something so obvious as a defense.

[@ivoryowl]

@@HazVsRPG You're not going to create excellence by lowering your standards to the lowest common denominator.

[@patrickreynolds5463]

If you hire people who like the game, universe and product, with a passion for gaming, they are not going to complain about having to work on it

[@jimsimpson4021]

This is what happens when you hire activists and not artists.

[@Circurose]

So wanting monster races to be more unique instead of humans with horns is somehow "woke?"

[@hammkers7]

@@Circurose yeah.

[@Circurose]

@@hammkers7 the vid is not even about woke or not woke. Watch it before commenting.

[@trugoingnowhere]

@@Circurose it started in an inquisition game, races and characters and everything have to look ugly and dumb, because that is how woke idiots look in real life

[@ponli7532]

@@Circurose They obviously wanted the trans qunari companion to be "attractive", in order to achieve this they needed to humanize and feminize the whole race in order to fit that design.

[@autism-is-unstoppable8017]

I believe the hair tech was ported over from the FIFA development team.

[@HazVsRPG]

Really?? Its a fine piece of kit man, that hair is *chefs kiss*

[@rsick266]

Before i learnt this info as well, I used to tell myself as a joke that they spend most of the development on the hair. Good job FIFA devs, i guess.

[@australienski6687]

The problem with top surgery scars is they are not in the scars tab, they have a whole tab dedicated to just that. It's like they saw what Budweiser did and said "hold my beer"... Pun intended.

[@HazVsRPG]

I see this now. I wish i had taken more time to think about this instead of just lumping it in with the 'its just an option' argument.

[@australienski6687]

@@HazVsRPG I also believe more choice is good, if they quietly put this in I wouldn't care. But they have done this specifically to get noticed and score ESG points. That's what makes it so pretentious and disingenuous.

[@Fabisala]

"big butts..." That applies as well to men haha, but yeah overall I agree with your critics. I would no doubt play as a Qunari if they were like those badass examples you showed. My problem with most videogames is that I can't do such imponent looking PCs (excepting perhaps Skyrim and GW2 that do have real racial features). If it's not only that, the armours can be the most generic/typical design. It seems like a trade-off when it shouldn't.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah I agree with you, except, look at the male 3d models they actually look like they have jucier butt's haha!!!

[@noctoi]

@@HazVsRPG Yep, the larger male body template also has a larger stomach range in the slider. They can be made much fatter than the female 'plus size' body template. Also, why no hip slider?!

[@Covinus03]

Completely agreed I want monsters to look like monsters not everything has to be pretty

[@HazVsRPG]

Yah, a variety you know? Like a range of racially diverse peoples and cultures man.

[@Circurose]

@@HazVsRPG but the anti-woke can't goon to ugly monster races!

[@Jimalcoatl]

It's not even pretty. It's just bland.

[@lagopusvulpuz1571]

​@@Jimalcoatl it's not just "bland", it's ugly.

[@lagopusvulpuz1571]

Why can't I write "u.g.l.y? Whatever, it is not just bland it's u.g.l.y.

[@mauli00098]

they want to diversify so much but they're making everyone a gigachad, damn if they want everyone to feel part of this game give us the option to at least make an ugly character with personality, because now they are just... ugly. Also they bother so much to add breast scars(good for them), but why there so few skin colors? Literally 2 rows... In 2024?? And I have to read from chills this game is PROGRESSIVE.

[@_annabug_2108]

hahah giga-chad

[@CC-of5xl]

The hardest thing about this is it's almost impossible to critique or praise this game because the "woke" and "anti woke" have both taken their stance on it and there's little room for legitimate conversation in the middle of their blind war

[@HazVsRPG]

I know. It makes things very difficult. It's like a radioactive topic. Extremely volatile.

[@CC-of5xl]

@HazVsRPG what's worse is it's rare to see videos like this now as people with influence(journalists or KZbinrs) will usually go hard one way or the other because controversy gets views and clicks.

[@Fabisala]

@@CC-of5xl Totally agree. The culture wars thing is shutting down the real debate that matters.

[@ExileTwilight]

8:30 on the topic of male and female Qunari, it's worth noting that their Qun religion/philosophy have women not be warriors, this would make a lot of sense with how they are portrayed as notably smaller/thinner than male Qunari (sexual dimorphism) Otherwise, mostly agree completely. I miss the DA2 elves, they actually looked like a different race.

[@Comandate7]

@@ExileTwilight It was reconned in Inquisition though with Bull saying to Krem that -according to the Qun philosophy - he's a man.

[@ExileTwilight]

@@Comandate7 Bull's group was also an undercover mercenary group and it's clear he's a lot more flexible on the Qun than most Qunari, I'm speaking entirely on the logic of how their distinct male/female roles would have come to be due to the physical differences between genders.

[@Comandate7]

@@ExileTwilight Agreed on origin of roles, but bull explicitly states that under the Qun Krem is a man and it's not uncommon for trans people exist- it's just that they have to conform with their preferred gender (so Krem could become a warrior, since he is a man but not a cook for example, if cooks are only women)

[@MateoTeos]

Mate, it's not the existence of “top scars” in a fantasy game that upsets people, it's the fact that this option is separated from all the other scars just to pander to a minority within a minority. And this option may trigger women who survived actual breast cancer - but who cares, right? That is an example of unhealthy tokenism. Again, if the character creator were like in Black Desert or Dragons Dogma 2 - no one would care about "top scars". But we can only create flat and boring male or female Timmys - so, people are tired of this narrative and easily triggered.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah, as yourself and quite a few others have pointed out. Ive honestly overlooked this. I didnt think about it for long enough, and my partner even mentioned that, if top scars is an option, why is breast enhancement or bbl and botox not an option? In short, yeah ive flipped since being able to read all the comments. I Do think its an option that a very targeted option within a very defined sandbox that bioware have crafted. Which isnt good.

[@tonyug113]

Funny how game after game in the series they have REDUCED what you can do with the party characters --- it started with you equiped them as yourself like any crpg game -- then you lost that and only specific armour upgrades allowed .... now you cant even control their movements moment to moment --- ie its DESTROYED the startegic gameplay -- gone from strategic crpg to generic xbox cartoon button mash.

[@noctoi]

Yeah I can't see me ever liking this combat system enough to forgive the change from deep strategy to facerolling button combos - which are clearly in the game but STILL haven't been discussed in any of the "combat deepdives". It's all just really weird. I have a really bad feeling that it'll be repetitive and boring AF after a few hours.

[@ulquiorraschiffer1956]

DA2 Qunari design are still the best looking in the series and i will happily die on that hill!

[@HazVsRPG]

Agreed. I know a couple of the artists that worked on those. Still the best.

[@noctoi]

I'll die happily up on that hill right beside you.

[@ulquiorraschiffer1956]

@@HazVsRPG That's nice. Inquisition was cool too but DA 2 was basically beasts in humanoid shape. Now they humans with cosplay horns

[@SurinameNgalan]

Unpopular Opinion: TBH Larian humanized elves too much for my liking. In the old portraits of Baldur's Gate by BioWare, the elves have larger eyes and pointed features--- even Beamdog closely followed this art direction for their enhanced edition. They were really otherworldly. Even half-elves like Neera and Jaheira had larger eyes and pointed looks. Now their elves are just humans with pointy ears. This is precisely the homogenized design the video was talking about.

[@CC-of5xl]

@SurinameNgalan that was a long time ago and they followed DnD 5e for BG3. Old school BG followed DnD of the time.

[@cttommy73]

It's basically every western game/media. Because none of them knows how to make pretty and ethereal anything anymore. Don't believe me? Just look Rings of Power Elves compared to Lord of The Ring movie adaptation. ROP's elves are humans cosplaying and appropriating by putting pointy ears and calling it a day. LOTR elves are ethereal, beautiful, timeless. Or how about elves in Japanese media. Same thing. So, yeah, this is what happens when you give the job to people who can't see pass themselves.

[@alftuvik3820]

That was intentional since that's how they are usually depicted in D&D. Larian's own ideas of what an elf is can be seen in divinity original sin 2.

[@nrieh4553]

@@CC-of5xl absolutely. Depiction of races and classes had changed a lot over time. E.g. drow used to be just that - dark-skinned elves, while now they have noticeable typical 'black human' traits more often than not. Just in case, I mean no disrespect or hatered here!! I'm talking specifically about unique race-specific facial features, which no longer exist. Typical portrait of Drizzt was nothing like what we see for a modern 'dark elf' in pretty much all the possible settings and media.

[@CC-of5xl]

@cttommy73 wtf are you talking about? Have you seen the elves from BG1 and 2 they look like bugs. The elves in BG3 look way more attractive. You also clearly just have some weird agenda if you can't admit Shadowheart isn't one of the most traditionally attractive CRPG companions of all time

[@antagonisstic]

In the past the females had T & A in Dragon age, but now the woke Developers have taken over Bioware. And made the character creator pronoun and trans creator. I would rather create my body type but this time it cannot be done so "fuck" this newest Dragon age game. Lucky if it sells 10k copies not GOTY material unless the People who judge that are woke. This is the end of Bioware i wont even pirate this game. The Qunari looked great in Dragon age 2.

[@arinrobinson3898]

I am a dev that thinks more options, more diversity, more ways to customize are a good thing. Art in games is not the most important thing most of the time and that being said i think games is an excellent way to include more groups of people because it normally won't affect design anway. that being said i'm with you 100% on everything you said here. i normally try to give benefit fo the doubt and i am struggling here. did they choose not to invest in character creation? was it a higher up decision? who's deciding to put limitations on character customization now? i'm so confused how they went from such unique looks for races to that...

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah im coming up blank, and you can see why the rage side of the interwebs takes this and runs with it hard down whatever lane they are in. Because there really is no explanation that makes any sense.

[@arinrobinson3898]

@@HazVsRPG it really sucks too cause i don't want to give people ammunition that make rage videos for the sake of rage. I want things to succeed and i'm understanding if they tried and just missed the mark but as an artist and dev i can't make sense of this one cause the entire direction from the start was off.

[@noctoi]

@@arinrobinson3898 I think this is something the Devs AND the Community Panel and their followers don't seem to understand... Most of us actually LOVE Dragon Age. We've been around since the beginning, and we LOVE this franchise. We WANT it to be awesome! The vast majority of us would probably "stop complaining" if they'd just address the problems in a respectful and meaningful way, but instead anyone who says anything even remotely construed as negative is labeled a 'hater' and literally told to eff off 😒

[@matthewlongo6404]

They made them the same so they were more f#ckable. It's fucking moronic. I hate in fantasy when races are not distinct. Tolkien got this. He made Elves, Dwarves and Humans very different.

[@HazVsRPG]

The goat. I cant even start with the new LOTR stuff.

[@xLiloScaries]

Waiting 10 years and being offered pure shit.....we all know the og Bioware is dead so I hope they will go under in name as well after this shitshow tanks.

[@HazVsRPG]

Haha this brutal truth made me laugh!

[@noctoi]

You know, I would usually find that brutal to the point of cruel - But in this case with all the gaslighting, the devs and ex writer bullying their customers and the horrific and un-asked for retcons to game lore? I'm kind of hoping the same thing. It's clear they want Origins forgotten, they don't consider Origins to be the *origin* of the franchise anymore. I wish they'd stop and just let it die.

[@kismetkiwi9720]

Don’t know you, don’t know your channel. I love Dragon Age, and am really looking forward to playing this game, hand-waving a lot of meta stuff to embrace the fantasy roots. But have to admit am in total agreement with you on this one.

[@dhockedy1273]

you should get to know this channel and watch him on twitch. its worth it

[@Cheynise]

I've been a DA fan since origins so seeing the bizarre choices (and being violently sick from the "hey listen" visual noises and UI/UX stuff. I actually cannot play the VG trailers without feeling motion sickness) is just...ya know, disheartening over the franchise's direction. The final kicker was reading a comment elsewhere that said "Why do they look like tieflings?" I...as a long time fan...cannot unsee it now.

[@noctoi]

Oh the motion sickness stuff, yes!! This game has the inauspicious "privilege" of being the ONLY non-first person game I've EVER seen that gives me a migraine. It takes a LOT for flashing lights to trigger a migraine for me, it's usually smells or motion sickness from the illusion of my head being still while my body is moving through space (like reading on a train or playing FPS games). This THIRD person game has somehow done it though. It's bad.

[@Cheynise]

@@noctoi Yeah the weirdest part is that I've improved my motion sickness over the recent years but it's suddenly these trailers that I felt punched hard. That took me completely off guard that I had to lie down and take stomach meds. I for one won't be able to play because of all the UX vomit and I don't know if anyone can endure long times on this game. I've actually watched a vid of a UI designer actually taking a deep dive in improving the design (to the best he could) and I'll say what he made makes it 100 times better.

[@noctoi]

@@Cheynise Yeah I saw that one too, and it was like flicking off a spotlight. Instant relief. It's wild how much difference it made!

[@Cheynise]

@@noctoi Tremendously so. Whatever the case will be for Veilguard (though I think we all know what the outcome is gonna be) that UI designers can take it as an example of what you should and shouldn't in the future. I got to learn a lot from those design changes too.

[@karasu5107]

Agree 1000%, even more than that. You're so right, it should be illegal 😅

[@Skyumi-Vk]

It pisses me off because they pretty much are killing the RP part of the damn RPG. I don't want to play me every damn game and god knows I don't look THAT fucking ugly!! I have a nice ass and I like that about me so stop with this everyone looking like flaccid nobodies, not all of us are as ugly as the people making these games.

[@tonyug113]

Theyve also killed the Strategic side of the gane -- you cant control the characters of your party (always essential on previous games on hard settings) -- - i want full control of their positioning, and not be forced to what a stupid AI wants to do ..... i've lost effectively 3/4 of the game.... heal now ... ove out of the way ... nooo yer dead stupid ai.

[@HazVsRPG]

All i can do is slow clap really. *clap*

[@bearddragoon5182]

I have a couple points. 1: This video might be too early lol. I'm not sure we've actually seen the complete character creator in action. I haven't personally been scrounging the Internet for the full thing so maybe I'm incorrect. 2: Dragon Age Elves are not the "hauntingly beautiful" type of elves, they are just as f'd up and normal and mortal as humans. Now which is preferable is ultimately up to the individual interacting with the game world. 3: I do agree that if a Sci-fi or fantasy game is going to do Ancestries/Races/Species they should lean into them and make them stand apart from each other in a big way visually. 4: As much as I like BG3 the Dragonborn were a disappointment to me. They had the same posture as everyone else and the tail was just sad. The heads are indeed phenomenal though. 5: The hair and beards look so dang good, holy moly. From the worst hair in games to the best lmao. As always great to hear your thoughts on these games! ❤

[@Rapunzel879]

DA2 had peak Qunari.

[@mazeofmind3181]

DA2 trailer Qunari was actually both intimidating and hot. So huge serious oppnent and also as a separate race it looked fantastic..

[@buckchoi]

When you're right, you're right. Honestly, typically I'm turned off by 'alien' features like Tieflings and Qunari possess, but I actually want those differences to be heightened (I just don't want to MC them). Also, very much unlike you, I'm not big into overlyschmexification, but that's me- BUT without the options to go wild even the 'normal' loses its lustre.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah see, thats the thing for me me the choice is what matters most. So it always comes across as an 'intent' when something is obviously targeted.

[@ivilivo]

This is just visuals. I'm sure behavior will be same throughout the races... Fondly remember how interesting and difficult, even with save spamming, it was to get to know Sten the Qunari.

[@noctoi]

Yep, the good old days when actions and choices "really mattered". It was SUCH a good game

[@blindhamsterman1]

Dragon Age 1 was the best game, Dragon Age 2 had the best, most unique interpretations of the various races. Inquisition was meh, Veilguard looks just bad

[@sarahnoia3495]

@@blindhamsterman1 Exactly!

[@acegear]

its more like megamind and squiward chad have a love child thats how bioware made dragonoid character

[@sleeplessbard2519]

Elves have ethnicities now making them just humans with pointy ears

[@xmixaplix]

Yep DA2 was the peak of Qunari look. It was rough and rugged, it was perfect PERFECT. Then DA: Inquisition came along and it still wasn't too bad but it was somewhat smooth and much less rough/rugged; heck even the Bull had a better design but back then we don't even know the term "woke" to describe what we had with Inquisition yet there are signs there already, it just wasn't as bad as today. Now you got what people will describe as "npcs cosplaying as qunari" or as I would call it "npcs transition/identify as a qunari" If I have to describe it personally, I feel that it looks more akin to a Star Wars twi'lek. You know what you're playing as @ 8:50? Edward from Twilight all you're missing is the shimmering sparkle lol

[@NeoN-PeoN]

This game does not look terrible. But I gotta admit, this game doesn't look appealing either. It doesn't have that "cool factor". Like, when I see the characters of Space Marine 2, that hits the "whoa! COOL!" button of the brain. This game looks bland. Really bland.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah i havent figured out if i like it yet, which is weird. As a huge fan of Dragon Age - im just like "wtf is this game'

[@NeoN-PeoN]

@@HazVsRPG I liked them all, though probably not called a "super fan" or anything. But I'd be willing to bet that this game is gonna be alright. I don't see the story doing anything particularly deep. At least, I'd be surprised if it did. I do think there will be SOME preaching in the game. Hopefully not a lot, but some is pretty much guaranteed.

[@theofficialtaylorroachyout6269]

We've had customizable Argonians since Oblivion and have had them since. Look at ESO giving different scale types and patterns. They can certainly make more dynamic horns, they wouldn't even need to make a ton of stuff, just some different forehead keratin/scale types and the ability to scale and position them how you'd like, just how every other game does

[@agentsmith3034]

Graphically it's Dragon Age meets Fortnite.

[@TheZealo]

DA2 Qunari were peak badass design. They failed on variety, but the whole game did. But creature design? Even the elves were cool looking, they had inhuman eyes and pronounced nose bridges. You didnt need to see the ears to know it was an elf

[@sinh7765]

the redesign of enemies and characters just looks terrible. they are so inclusive that any racial difference and uniqueness between the fantastical races is gone, its all humans now. one of the main party members is a black elf. thing is, he doesn't even look like an elf. its literally just a 23 year old modern black dude from new york but with elf ears. shit like that makes it all feel very token-y and i'm personally just tired of seeing this kind of shit in games. if just the marketing material that EA allowed us all to see is already showing sooooo many different cracks. i really wonder what kind of game this will actually be when real people get to play it and not access journalists

[@HazVsRPG]

You make a good point, its the whole 'cosplayer' looking vibe. its just normal people cosplaying as elves, qunari etc etc, its not good. Also this is why i just dont believe in any early access reviews. From first hand experience, if anyone gets early access, they have to sign nda's that almost certainly contain paragraphs stating that they cannot in any way say bad things about the game. So we end up with a huge influx of 'only positive' media reacting to the game. Until the game comes out and we all get to try it and see the truth.

[@sinh7765]

@@HazVsRPG im honestly just waiting to see what the actual steam reviews are going to look like in 2 months from now and if i like what im hearing, i might pick it up on sale. if not, i'll just vent my frustrations into the ether, vote with my wallet and move on with my day. also doesnt feel nice seeing how newer fans are basically saying "da:o was 15 years ago get over it" or how new bioware blood based on my understand seemingly also despises the old fans.

[@theodorvepper]

Thanks for your insight, I feel like in all of these debates, I haven't really heard about just how this is really just cheaping out on user experience and work while masquerading it as progress. I feel the same.

[@lokennz]

If normal people don't say anything we leave a vacuum for the more extreme clickbait crowd to do it and they just stir up animosity towards decent people. Good on you for speaking up about this Haz. I love Bioware and the Dragon Age games so am only critical because I care. At the moment this game isn't enticing me but I'd happily be wrong, eat some humble pie and buy it if it turns out to be good.

[@noctoi]

All of this. I would be STOKED to be embarrassed and wrong about this game, because I LOVE Dragon Age as an IP. I'm just really worried I WON"T be wrong, and the Devs are not helping by dog piling on anyone who breathes a whiff of a reasonable concern and lumping us in with the REALLY shitty people who are *actually* being horrible and unreasonable.

[@HazVsRPG]

Same here. Its hard to navigate the waters because its such a radioactive topic. I would LOVE if the game is a homerun - im just really struggling to look at any footage and be like 'holy shit this is it!!'

[@CV-gr4gj]

Veilguard elves have been reduced to elf eared regular humans of all real life ethnicities. Then why even have an elven race in the first place? The qunari used to be ox people, now they are megamind soyboys. Dwarves are now just short people some of them even look slim. Femininity was nerfed, all girls are androgynous, manly or even freaky. Because you better avert your male gaze. All heads are 30% bigger making them look unheroic af. I also miss the brutal violence of origins, the combat now looks like a fabulous dance choreography with sparkles for blood. Oh and according to the devs if we happen to notice any of this woke/dei bs or the pandering to fortnite players like in the uncharacteristically jolly reveal trailer now we're supposed to be a bunch of tourists or people who gave up on DA after origins...

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah I can see how easy it is to fall into the hole because it does look like somethings amiss and it dies smell fishy. It's hard to say what the real reason for this narrow conservative view of femininity or where it's come from. It's why the topic is so radioactive. Say one thing out of line and youre cancelled it's ridiculous.

[@dgumbrecht]

The Qunari character they had in the reveal trailer for the character creator looks like a slightly bored accountant... with horns. Like a character from a "subversive" comedy about the banality of evil. He's an accountant in hell, and he's just as unremarkable as an accountant in the real world... but with horns. (Apologies to all the accountants out there, I'm sure most of you are lovely people... without horns.)

[@HazVsRPG]

LOL!

[@AquilesX11]

I think the issue was the game went through many changes it's been what 10 years? I expected a groundbreaking looking game based on the tech we now have - I mean last of us on ps4 looked great. We have next gen consoles and this looks like ps3 graphics??? I could care less about top surgery (feel sorry for female breast cancer survivors , but that is another topic) but the butt slider....I agree the Qunari look like crap. The character creator may as well not exist.

[@tonyug113]

It needed a new interesting story - not necessarily new tech -- i found DA3 a total mess -- the tottaly otp crafting system (thayt was useless) - the alchemie system (they redid how health worked) --- (not a fan of DA3) but at least kept the art style -- the quintessesnce of what the game WAS.

[@mugen3603]

@4:40 Bro, freaking modders can do it. I guarantee you, just 1 random mod creator on Nexus can facelift that entire race and restore them to their former glory. There is literally no excuse for Bioware, with all their vast resources and manpower, not to be able to do it. Bottom line is that they just don't want to. They don't care enough to. They're either too lazy or too incompetent, or both.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah will have to leave it up to modders haha!!!

[@bobby_j7777]

The discrimination against curvy women is so odd. Especially coming from a company who claims to prioritize diversity and inclusion. It comes off as very hypocritical and implies a certain ideology to exclusively leave out curvy women as even an option

[@HazVsRPG]

Its a really strange thing. It reeks of an agenda. theres no reason to not have it, nothing technical, its purely visual. So we come back around to exactly what weve both stated and how is that inclusive exactly?

[@noctoi]

This exactly... and the shitty thing is, if they hadn't so loudly proclaimed it was IN the character creator to start with, I wouldn't even care! I'm just pissed because they flat out lied... about this and SO many other things.

[@bobby_j7777]

@@HazVsRPG And the fact of the matter is that it isn’t at all. It’s their version of inclusivity that focuses only on what they think is important and needs to be included. Which conveniently leaves out what is actually important to most people which is interesting and attractive characters or at least the ability to create them. And is exactly why most games with this ideology fail because it isn’t representative of what people actually want

[@austinsultenfuss7661]

I’m so glad someone finally pointing this out as a defense for the art of rpgs and not because it’s “woke”. It’s so frustrating talking about this issue without being lumped into antiwoke and the woke crowed. I want fantasy races to be unique. Not different flavors of humans, that’s what the human opinion is for.

[@HazVsRPG]

exactly, we are all part of unique cultures here on earth, if anything celebrating that individuality is where the magic is. Imagine making us all the same, wtf - thats seriously sinister stuff.

[@afr_gem]

100% agree. its a complete travesty what they have done to the qunari, elves and dwarves.

[@Made4Fan]

According to Corrine busch.... This version of Kossith died withthe former Arishok. It now being replaced by goat-men.

[@HazVsRPG]

Goatmen is a really good description. They do look like that!!!

[@qwizzler]

The game director previously worked on the sims. Do you think the character creator reuses assets from the sims or is just too heavily inspired by it? Since I heard that, every character i see looks like a sim character with a dragon age item pack.

[@HazVsRPG]

Lol a dragon age item pack! I mean, it has that very simplistic and narrow band of choice, but sims is actually quite expansive. I haven't checked the latest incarnation, but can you make a curvy woman with larger breasts and a big butt or is it quite restrictive there too??

[@dynaelder5037]

The hair tech came from EA's FIFA dev's. Also a lot of the combat routines came from Jedi survivor dev's.

[@HazVsRPG]

I didnt know any of this stuff!! Figures that they didnt make it because it stands out so much!!

[@metpach]

Here's the issue with the top surgery scars. This game takes place in a fantasy setting where there's magic wizards and dragons. You can literally turn yourself into anything you want. You would not need surgery. So it goes against the setting. That is the biggest issue of the top surgery scar. It exists only for social indoctrination, nothing else. The game was made by a bunch of activists who not only suck a character design, they don't understand basic video game design as well.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah ive since changed my mind on this, reading through the comments has given me a different perspective. I see it now, and also wish that i had taken more time to think about it.

[@metpach]

@@HazVsRPG it's not the biggest issue in the game, but it's a symptom of the sickness that has spread across the industry. It's one of those mountain vs molehill things.

[@gutspepe211]

They make the dwarfs like gnoms!!! This goes to book of grudges

[@dragonhitman1071]

So from what i heard the hair wasn't even done by bioware.

[@noctoi]

Yeah it was apparently imported across form either the Sims (which would track because of Corinne's background, except Sims hair was never that good) OR from FIFA (no idea, I never played those games). Either way it wasn't "created and curated just for Dragon Age: The Veilguard tm"

[@dragonhitman1071]

@@noctoi believe it was fifa where they took it from.

[@noctoi]

@@dragonhitman1071 Makes sense. The money that gets poured into their sports games is staggering. It makes our poor little CRPG budgets look like pocket change.

[@dragonhitman1071]

@@noctoi yup, though personally with the hair (that everyone praises) being the best thing, the stuff from biowares side on character front looks even worse.

[@noctoi]

@@dragonhitman1071 It really does. If you put aside the shiny new tech, the actual character models in DA:O and DA:2 were pretty damn good. The enemies were flawless. If they were faithfully remastered they'd blow DA:V character models out of the water.

[@floortank349]

It's the most sane take on this topic man. I couldn't agree more.

[@humblekek-fearingman7238]

I was thinking you were cooked when you said Qunari women should be hyper masculine, but it turns out you were just cooking. If you're going to have hyper feminine and beautiful elves and that's what you want, you just pick an elf, I agree whole heartedly that having Qunari try to be just as beautiful instead of their own thing only diminishes the concept of both.

[@HazVsRPG]

Now you see it right? Its like all other races on earth being proud of their heritage versus just going 'nah we may as well just loose all that and be normal white people instead. That in and of itself is just so wrong.

[@humblekek-fearingman7238]

@@HazVsRPG Not just other races, it's the same as Europeans themselves just ditching their very specific cultures and heritages to go 'nah we'll just become cultureless metropolitan multinational 'whites' instead" It's a mentality that's harmful to every one equally.

[@shipmcgree6367]

Ironic how "diversity" makes them all look the same..

[@HazVsRPG]

its not hard to see that one could look at this as quite sinister also! which explains why its such a nuclear topic.

[@arielhart9920]

Your point of view on the Kunaris just took my breath away. I agree so much with this way of looking at things that I can only nod in approval. It really was a real waste what they did with the Kunaris.

[@TheSkyMasterZ]

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made

[@rsa7767]

Characters look like Horned Activist, Pointy eared activist, Short activist and Regular Soyboys. Looks generick as FF. Its lost everything that made Dragon Age feel like Dragon Age.

[@themarauder6108]

I spotted quite a lot of reused assets in the reveal and gameplay. Everything from weapons to armour has been carried over from Inquisition which is just lazy. They've had ten years to come up with something and this is what we get, recycled crap. Also, the Qunari are supposed to be the Brute of the Dragon Age universe and they stripped away all that made them unique and just made them humans with horns 🤦‍♂

[@HazVsRPG]

I'd be interested to see those reused assets!!

[@ScottLacey-r9x]

again, dead on the mark. The entire universe is beautiful. Stunningly beautiful. This is a puritanical view, disallowing beauty. Theres a book i threw away the first time 'whats so amazing about grace.' The second time i picked it, it broke me. The problem with gray is, there's no black or white.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah I struggle to really grasp the idea behind not wanting to lean into the amazingness they have already created!!

[@JoeMartinez18]

yes... now they are just different flavours of humans. Before Humans were... well humans from either German sorcery land, normal lands, medieval land or renessaince france lands. Then you had Elves, who were slim and more agile, but also more frail ( hence it was curious why Solas was the only elf with a more... normal build) Dwarves, short and stocky with no conections, or natural conection to the veil. And Qunarie, these humanoid giant horned people. Iron Bull was awsome.

[@tonyug113]

Ps - These are NOT normal looking people --- and i never make a character like me (yuk thatd be horrible - lol, and a bit wierd) -- i build a character i'd LIKE to be. its year 2000 graphics for characters.

[@mugen3603]

@7:15 Ugh gods, please don't show me this. I'd rather not see what we could've had. That qunari model looks absolutely gorgeous. He just makes what we currently have look even more pathetic and lame.

[@ZoOlja]

I didn't think that was the Qunari race, I couldn't believe it! Look at that space for rent on the forehead 🤣 DA2 Qunari was the best they've ever looked, how could they butcher them like this. I heard they largely took the character creator from Sims 4 as reference on how the races should look, no wonder they all look so human like and ordinary.

[@laniakeas92]

When it comes to Arishok - all male classical masculine features are increased x5 times but with a very artistic approach. His face shap flows into shape of the horns elegantly. There is a good contrast between elegant design and rough masculinity. The concept art of qunari males and females is absolutely beautiful. Because it's nicely stylized. DA3 lacks any artistic touch.

[@jacobwilliams5836]

I agree the more options the better obviously I’m not a character designer but I have an absurdly large interest in this particular part of game and if I had the opportunity do work on some of these models like the qunari I think imposing fits the best what I mean is like a huge build like there muscles have muscles (like a Baki characters ) with very sharp face features like you said with the square jaws small narrow eyes and enormous horns I look like from an evolution standpoint you couldn’t do forward facing horns and since there are a more tribal race I think more unkept hair would work the best (like dread/fairy locks braids or wild unbrushed styles ) I tried to keep this short but it’s disappointing to see what is supposed to look like this big menacing mass of horns and murder turned into something that looks like it could be in a Pixar movie

[@slugshotgun]

Physically, the only distinguishable factors between humans and qunari now are the horns, ears, and height. They had a really good thing going in DA2 where the qunari's facial features make them look naturally menacing, now they just look like masculine elves with big foreheads. I don't really know what made them change it.

[@nrieh4553]

I thought that it was just me,lol! Most Rooks (especially those reposted as 'pretty' on Reddit) seemed to be terribly same-y, to me, up to the point where I was not even sure which race i'm looking at...like, is it a human, a dwarf or an elf with covered ears? Had I already seen this demo, or is it something new?

[@cttommy73]

Bioware lost the plot and don't even understand their own characters and lore, as shown by DAI. Now, you have that, plus all the people who made the original games, plus activists. American/Western activists. Is it a wonder the game is nothing but a vehicle to push "The Message"? I say no.

[@arielhernandez6480]

I really like your perspective. I don’t enjoy the character creation for this game; it feels too generic. This isn’t Dragon Age at its full potential. Hopefully, they’ll fix it somehow.

[@valentinlopatko]

But what you describe already was there in DA2 (for elves, they had distinct features), for Qunari, and even for dwarfs. Elves had slanted almond eyes, that were quite big, tall faces and nose that in profile was going in one line with forehead.

[@perivayne]

Equality of outcome is pernicious. Can't have anyone pretty or ugly after all because someone might be offended. smh.

[@OneWhoPondersWhy]

I feel like Bioware really just wanted Tieflings and sacrificed the Qunari for them. Which is a major letdown and downgrade in every sense.

[@davidjohansson9195]

Qunari used to look like they'd prefer to walk through a door because it's less effort rather then reach down and turn the door knob. Now they look like off brand tieflings. Very sad

[@RealSkelzore]

I don't know why I haven't heard the comparison yet, but they clearly just wanted to make qunari into tieflings.

[@Makoto03]

You make a great point. Even though i'm still interested to play Veilguard, i can't help but be disappointed by so many unnecessary design decisions with the game.

[@bluedolphin4366]

I'm not an artist , but I see there is something really wrong , they are not inspiring characters. at All , I could. have done better , do they won't to burn the gaming industry to me its like sabotage from within , we need real artist like you with vision , AI should also have its place as well along with the Artist , that's the future ,

[@livewirecomiccast6472]

Look i get i like the way the race looks better in there older game, but they are trying to use more choices more customizable with all races we can fight for better or different customizable sliders, character, what have you and still like the game as it is. I love bg3 but the character creator isn't that great, it's limited in a lot of ways

[@kasramohajery4623]

The design looks like one those teen tv series on Disney channel, high school drama and shit like that, where the teens put aside their differences to expose the corrupt principal.

[@HazVsRPG]

Lol this made me laugh!!!

[@Helifax19]

I agree.. they missed the mark quite a lot with the Qunari race... :( I wanted them to look more like the Arishok from DA2.

[@Lamenter69]

Ive been saying since inquisition dragon age isnt dragon age anymoe. 2 was acceptable for certain reasons but the writing and understanding of fantasy was lost by inquisition. Now its a shitty soap opera disguised as dragon age

[@HazVsRPG]

I mean, I have enjoyed the series less and less as times gone on. But I was hoping for a return to greatness!!!

[@seeinred]

Man. Arishok in DA2 was peak Qun. I know that most people dislike that game because of giant pile of issues it had due to insanely low development time, but it still was fine for what it's worth. And the Qunari design in there was simply fantastic. After ME3, ME:Andromeda, Anthem, Bioware had their last chance with this one, to get back in the game, to defend their name. And they just pissed it. I'm not exaggerating - Baldur's Gate was their legendary game, and they were outdone by Larian. KOTOR was their legendary game, and now the remake is done by completely different studio with zero impact from BioWare. This was it.

[@HazVsRPG]

Yup they needed to really step up, go full dark and gritty realism - push dragon age into the future and lead the way. But this, is not it artistically speaking.

[@DavidSantos-ix1hu]

I agree! Also missed the class bonuses I felt it really helped putting together a story for your character.

[@navajasrs2402]

My critique of your viewpoint is that while you quite rightly call out the absurdity of the lack of options for realistic breast and glute tissue on female characters, homogenizing and marginalizing the "lived experiences" of at MORE than 50% of women on earth, you totally disregard that the "top scar" option that so many people criticize are two sides of the exact same coin. You are literally hand wavingly dismissive about the top scars option, and within the next breath mystified about the 100% breast slider being a low end B cup. These are symptoms of the same sickness: You harm your diagnosis by ignoring this fact. Other than that, I am in 100% agreement with you.

[@HazVsRPG]

Well, yes and no. Ive had more time to think on this and absorb more thoughts and opinions. See ultimately my point is 'choice' thats really what a character creator is all about. Having options to choose from is the main focal point. Given that the floodgates cant fully be opened and we have to define the boundaries of what players can create at all, its still well within reason to have a more oxen looking race, a big old ( )

[@noctoi]

Oooh Rift, that takes me back! Loved that game so much! Gods damn it... I want to see your character creator faces, your Qunari and Elvhen descriptions sound so GOOD!! 😭 And I BET you wouldn't have made all the characters with a

[@HazVsRPG]

Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts. Yeah trust me, im stumped. Its an odd one - becauser when i see how technically complex the creator is, im like, well time wasnt an issue, which means budget wasnt an issue. this leaves some higher up opinion driving a 'look' as the reason. Which ultimately lands us right back where we started which is 'its actually not as inclusive as they tout'. So they need to dial back that whole schpiel or make some changes.

[@Anemorta]

Also everyone has the same ugly posture and movement animation. Even in the games of 15 years old this issue was addressed.

[@SolidMike84]

And I'm personally not upset about the top surgery scar, it's an option like you say. I do find myself wondering: Why? In the sense of, how does this particular thing fit in this fantasy world? Wouldn't it be more magic based, or be a cruder version of a scar if anything? THAT, to me, feels like something straight out of reality, and not a thing existing in this FANTASY reality. It'd be like having a orange skinned monster with blonde hair trying to make his country great again. Idk, that's my take on it.

[@HazVsRPG]

Youre not the only person in the comments raising this and i think maybe i should have thought more on it now that ive read a few more of the comments. I think ultimately it does go deeper. Because there is definitely an element of truth in what youre saying. Its at least reasonable to question it.

[@elensila74]

Oh, all that glorious hair! EA gambles on RPG fans not being very familiar with sports game, I guess. Have you looked at the FC24 character creator lately? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5SuioCPZ9yJpLMsi=XrtV9KQzulGF83pY

[@HazVsRPG]

I had no idea! Amazing - isnt it funny that the best thing about it is something thats been shared.

[@aclevername7613]

I dislike the argument " Its a stylized choice!" No its bad just bad.

[@ThePotatokun]

when i played DA:O i loved Sten, such well craft character with a rich story about its culture, but at the time the design was very lackluster even tho his varianty is suppose to be very prestigious in the Qun, then i saw the Arishok in DA2, i was blow away by the design so much detailed in the cloths and accessories, and every Qunari design was correponded to their place in the culture, like the Saarebas have their mouths sew for being mages, or the warriors vitaar, and now we have this soft quanari, what a hell happened, its like they lost their culture in the process or gaining three times the forehead, so much potential lost.... and other thing Quanari doesnt have eyebrows, who da hell decided to give them eyebrows and a fucking forehead...

[@HazVsRPG]

Yeah so much great content to pull from, yet we are somehow headed in the opposite direction!!

[@Freshwitdaposites18]

It is funny how the narrative is generally an agenda to provide greater diversity and inclusivity but somehow doing so requires less customization choices. Not a single woman in my family, on my black American side or African side would be able to create even a semi accurate portrayal of themselves due to the terrible butt and boob sliders. Africans, and blacks, commonly known for having sizeable butts and hips, somehow are served by the lack of accurate portrayal for what reason exactly?... Not to even mention there is an entire body modification culture surrounding the freedom of women to augment as they like... If women want to have BBLs and Breast enhancements in real life, which is seen as empowering, why is it then bad to allow them to celebrate that in game...

[@HazVsRPG]

I was talking to my partner about this last night - you are absolutely correct. She said exactly what youa re saying. If there is options to have top surgery scars, there should be the option to have botox, eyelashes, breast enhancements and bbl!!!! I wish i had added this into the video now.