Has Civivi Jumped The Shark With The Vision FG?

[@gideonstactical]

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[@charlescollier7217]

Folowing up, more than a year later. I love both the Vision FG and the Conspirator so much that I ended up getting more than one of each - different handle materials/colors, etc. They are best in different use cases, in my opinion, so they end up not really being competitors. For office and kitchen - Vision FG. For yardwork and around town - Conspirator.

[@LegoBluesummers]

The locking bar is also the detent. This is likely the cause of your squeaking. The locking insert riding on the blade as you open it. It could just be the coatings causing it

[@gideonstactical]

I think u might be right

[@TheCcmarine]

First off being a leftie I always appreciate a reversible pocket clip and the super lock is also ambi. Second I love that blade shape with dual thumb studs. The overall look of the knife is cool too.

[@Gambit166]

This locking mechanism is so good and innovative, Demko copied it, modified it, rushed it out to market before Snecx could, and made a fortune from it. 😂

[@EDCandLace]

In a nutshell that is exactly what happened! The fidget boys really really love these type locks.

[@mattjones7433]

False! I know Andrew and John personally and they started working on the sharklock right after the AD15. Yes the patent was filed after the unveiling of the super lock but that doesn’t mean that they stole the design. Andrew showed me last time I was at the shop on his phone time stamp photo of the prototype sharklock. They took years to refine that as it was/ is a big innovation. You’re talking one of the worlds best knife makers. A legend in the knife world with the triad lock, then the scorpion lock now the sharklock :).

[@HarryBallsich]

@@mattjones7433 My friends dad works at Nintendo. I know insider secrets... What you don't believe me? All I got from your comment was an admittance that they stole the lock. "Yes the patent was filed after the unveiling of the super lock". As for your claim, proof or it didn't happen.

[@LanningKann]

@@mattjones7433then you also know that SNECX didn’t copy Demko. This is purely a case of two smart people designing a similar thing at a closely related time.

[@peen2804]

@@LanningKannbut that can’t be the case someone has to have copied the other that’s the way the world works because I’m 5 and anything non black and white is beyond my comprehension. Duh

[@maxlvledc]

You need to try it with food prep..that is where it really excells

[@KLINGBART]

Is it better than PM2 at that?

[@Logan2070]

Triad lock has no peer for strength, but for edc, an axis/bar lock is the easiest to use and still won't fail.

[@NoxiousButtSpray]

until your light gauge omega spring breaks

[@bezimienny_andzej6425]

It doesn't really matter how "strong" these locks are, because even liner lock will not fail under realistic conditions. And everything that is not liner/frame lock, and isn't based on bending a piece of steel, will be more than strong enough even for extreme use. The whole trick at this point is to create locks that are simple, hard to break, hard to gunk up and easy to use.

[@NoxiousButtSpray]

@@bezimienny_andzej6425 it matters even less when you realize a slip joint is perfectly fine for anything you want to do with a folder anyway.

[@The4cp]

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[@NoxiousButtSpray]

@@The4cp it you need a lock, you'll probably do better to use a fixed blade 😉

[@jonathanklein7875]

I have the jade G10 version. I agree with you that some more chamfering or contouring would have helped, and some scalloping out of the scale behind the choil to both index your index finger and provide more clearance for the thumbstuds. I also wish the steel liners were skeletonized more than just the "speed holes" for more weight relief. I think Civivi cut a few manufacturing corners, knowing they would sell on the lock alone and they could hit their margins.

[@madrapperdave]

What's with the titlecard? A joke? Why? Or is it just clickbait?

[@JosephOlson-ui2pg]

Good question. No one was questioning the lock

[@SeniorSupreme]

I really like my vision fg. I bent the clip down to fix the duck bill. I tilted it towards the center speed hole. It’s really comfy now. Also threw in some skiff bearings. No play, locked or unlocked. It’s a great knife imo.

[@theAwakenedOne007]

Hi, I just ordered a vision fg coming in today. What size bearings come with it so I can order those as well?

[@johndings9917]

​@@theAwakenedOne007Pivot: 5mm Ceramic Bearings: 1/16 in (12 ball)

[@theAwakenedOne007]

@@johndings9917 thank you! This knife is so cool

[@smallaxe7225]

The clip does suck, but I took mine off gave it a little bend down near the bill end of the longer hole, then straightened the bill, and loosened the tension on the bend at the screw end. The factory clip is now perfect after 15 minutes working on it. If you don't like a stainless steel clip just get a little western with it and maybe you'll love it.

[@richlpz]

Mine squeezed when I pulled back the bar. Not sure if that’s what you are hearing. I fixed it by putting a little bit of pivot lube on the spring and it fixed it. And it doesn’t leak since it’s enclosed by the liners.

[@richlpz]

Oh and also if you do want to access the lock like the we version you can remove that pin and it’ll function the exact same.

[@chadjordan9382]

Civivi and we are killing it.

[@gideonstactical]

Many designs are awesome

[@speterj]

You can take out the lock mechanism if you remove a stop pin when you disassemble the knife.

[@justenn9949]

I couldn’t deal with the squeakiness on the elementum 2 button and qubit. The liner lock felt more satisfying to open/close because of it.

[@olaf2554]

that sound might be from the coating. might be worth exchanging for a non coated one to see if you have same problem

[@gideonstactical]

Good point 👍

[@anuragkakkar9218]

Somehow I am liking its locking system and the way you were maneuvering on the cardboard.

[@gideonstactical]

It is quick!

[@YourAverageReviews]

10:55 you have two of them, even though you're giving one away you could've tested the other to see if the sound was in both or just one. I feel that would've been very simple but easy to confirm.

[@ZiGGi03]

I did the same thing with my We version and mine squeaks I hit it a few times on the lock somewhere inside their is rubbing . I took it apart and cleaned it and sanded /filed the blade to remove the coating on the blade and bow theirs bone . The squeaking problems most likely are self inflicted. So not really a reason not to get the knife . If you want it of course

[@alpine1600s]

The WE version lock bar is similar how the cold steel Bushman ram safe lock could come out if you pulled it back far enough.

[@mr.crumbles2557]

Thank you for the really balanced review. The handle boxiness is something I hadnt seen mentioned anywhere. Cant deny i love that bladeshape tho, so good for everything and easy to sharpen

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks so much and agree the grind and blade are really well done.

[@BaritoneMike]

The squeaking is caused by the coating I think. I have the damascus + white G10 I have no squeak and awesome authoritative sound.

[@darkspector]

Squeeking is the return spring in the lock bar and my version had dry AF bearings. Disassembled and slathered, way more then necessary, heavy grease in the spring recess. Be careful when you disassemble, spring might fly out. Put some light oil on the bearing, be carefull if you have transparent scales like the ultem.. too much oil will leak and cause the back to look "clear". Much better sounding after this easy work.

[@DiamondEDC]

I also had that rattling issue. I returned it for a satin model and haven't had any issues.

[@ml8067]

I have Nitro-V on my Civivi Nox. It is not a bad steel. I like the concept of the super lock. Like the ambidextrous nature of it. I do like the overall look of the knife.

[@MHollywood5]

Came dull af out the box, just got mine.

[@The4cp]

I actually like the lock. Anything that isn't a liner lock at this point is a good thing. Just an opinion but liner lock to me just says cheap ,lazy ,and outdated. Especially when there are better locking systems out there.

[@gideonstactical]

I tend to agree, liner lock is my least favorite. I prefer to liner locks

[@evile1174]

I couldn’t agree more! I am over liner and frame locks! So many better options nowadays

[@barryjames1203]

Totally agree. Hate the cheap feel of a liner lock!

[@YourAverageReviews]

​@@gideonstacticalprefer what to liner lock? Is there something missing in the last sentence?

[@mattvanderwalt6220]

Should make a good edc as well as food prep. Nice all round blade shape.

[@jimmylarge1148]

I was walking along my chicken fence the other day and felt a slight snag on my pants. Looked back and my Civivi was perfectly clipped onto the fence completely out of my pocket. It was excellent skillz executed by the fence 😂😂

[@Hungrybird474]

The kizer titanium clip or miguron ti clip works great 👍

[@schrodingerscat20]

I have one in G10. I love the lock. I don't have a Demko a20.5 as I think for the materials used the knife is overpriced.

[@AlexandStuff]

Recently picked this up and I love it. Super fidgit friendly and solid fit and finish. Only thing I dont like is the location of the clip. Wish it was more centered or even opposide side so its closer to the corner of my pocket.

[@gideonstactical]

I didn’t even pick up on that, but you are right 👍

[@TobsterGO]

I also had an very annoying squeak coming from the lockbar on my damascus vision fg. Eventually I took the whole knife apart and cleaned the whole lockbar and coated the lock barin a very thin film of WD40. I think it was coming from the side of the spring rubbing on the sides. so that got a little extra WD40. and now the thing is as quiet as a mouse:-)

[@r0ckworthy]

I wonder if some silicone spray lube would soak into the bearing and lubricate that squeak away. Also silicone is great for water resistance.

[@timtitus2532]

I am waiting for my vision to arrive. I already have the conspirator. The issue with the pocket clip has been identified by other reviewers and I plan on getting a replacement titanium clip, but I'm going to wait until I have it in hand to make the final decision on that. Good review. Thanks

[@JosephOlson-ui2pg]

7:20 that hole and seeing the lock engage is why it's named Vision, although Vision is a cool Avenger too

[@michaelblanton9949]

Nice review. The blade shape, similar to CRK’s Insingo, is my favorite for EDC - especially occasional food prep.

[@TheLegoJoker]

I’m loving the Civivi Vision. Didn’t like the clip location or the thumb hole on the WE version so I let it go. The thumb studs and side clip take this knife to the next level. This is what I wish the WE version was. I don’t feel a hot spot when using it, although I could see where it could grab something if I bump into it. Definitely my favorite Civivi by far.

[@seppukusushi2848]

Seems like a ripoff of the Chris Reeve Insingo blade design. I've been seeing a lot of Chinese ripoffs of original high end knives. They're the most unoriginal people ever.

[@richardhenry1969]

Don't see me giving up my Triad-lock.

[@licustoms]

10:27 A group of mice is commonly called a mischief or a nest.

[@adamlivingston6659]

The thorough information on this knife is extremely useful and your content is always great, sir!! Keep it up, Aaron and crew.

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks so much really means a lot!!

[@PatHappyDay]

Any idea why the super-lock would be "Tuffer-hammered" depending if it's a Damascus or a Nitro V ??

[@Lost666Child]

That sound is no longer on mine. The lock does rub when it’s engaging. All my paint has come off. Oil and is very quiet.

[@fishingjoe683]

Now that I’ve saw that pocket clip I would definitely try to alter that curve

[@Oshianis]

Would you choose the vision fg over Demko Shark Cub in Aus 10?

[@gideonstactical]

Tough choice but the shark cub wins out

[@davidaxman]

How would this compare to a Spyderco Manix? They both seem fidgety, about the same edge length, and tip in line with the grip

[@gideonstactical]

I like the spyderco better

[@davidaxman]

@@gideonstactical Thanks for the reply. I can't quite shake the interest in the manix, I'll probably have to buy it!

[@playascap]

I used green honing wax to lightly smooth out some of the contact surfaces inside the knife, and that took care of squeaks on the lock and deployment. I think the finish on the internal metals arnt refined being 80$ Luckily, I like refining my all my stuff😊

[@OtherThanIntendedPurpose]

interesting design. something I would like to get a chance to use for a few days to build an opinion on. thanks for the first look.

[@gideonstactical]

No problem thanks for watching!

[@taylorfishman823]

I've had my Vision FG for over a week and it hasn't left my pocket. If you know how many knives I have as other options, you'd realize how big a deal that is. 😂 I haven't really thought of the handle as boxy but I see what you mean. Hasn't bothered me but everyone's hand is different. But yeah the clip is such a big fail that should have been easily avoidable. It really digs into your palm, I can't imagine what they were thinking with that. I bought one of the Civivi clips off of Amazon that has the storm anodization, it's titanium and they come in a set of two for like $12, I used the smaller one in the set and it has been way better in appearance and comfort. The bill of this clip sticks up way less than the stock clip does. As to the sound, mine doesn't squeak but it is more like a "schwick" sound, not that high pitched and I think it makes it sound really cool. I have the satin blade, maybe the coating on that blade is why yours is more of a squeak...might wear in and be toned down over time.

[@red19841984]

Who was first super lock or shark lock

[@gideonstactical]

Not sure

[@charlescollier7217]

Thanks for this, Aaron. The innovative lock, blade shape, design, fit/finish, and price all make this a winner for me, and the downsides seem minimal, in my view. Given the choice between this and the Conspirator, I'm definitely picking both. 😅

[@gideonstactical]

Couldn't agree more!

[@eyeofthetiger4184]

G'day Charles, hahaha, that sure takes "one or the other" out of the equation mate. I meant to ask you previously if you're a "folder guy" ............. I'll take that as a "yes". Btw; the Mini Duku and Argo 800 have been coming up aces.👍👍 $$$, 👍👍$$$ .... i.e. double thumbs up for each in use and both excellent value for money. One could easily argue, ... they're all you'd ever need, .................. anyway, ......... back to reality ; ) Cheers Duke.

[@seppukusushi2848]

Seems like a ripoff of the Chris Reeve Insingo blade design. I've been seeing a lot of Chinese ripoffs of original high end knives. They're the most unoriginal people ever.

[@charlescollier7217]

@@eyeofthetiger4184 Hey Duke! I missed this message. Glad to hear you're enjoying them - I know I do! However, I'll ask that you refrain from that blasphemous "you've got enough knives," stuff. 🙃

[@eyeofthetiger4184]

@@charlescollier7217 G'day Charles, bahaha, no worries mate, consider it done. Btw; have you acquired any interesting blades lately ?, or perhaps I should ask ....... which ones ; )

[@robthompson8285]

I bought the Vision FG and there is a definite breaking in period of that Lock's spring

[@zer0bytes2000]

It seems to bounce out of the detent when you close it sometimes. Demko shark lock doesn't bounce out of its detent when closing it for me.

[@shallmaneser]

I maybe wrong, and they do call it superlock, but I don't think they sell it as a SUPER lock. It you get what I'm saying!!!

[@kevinhauser8250]

I keep wanting to pick up that civivi in the exact pattern you have but with the economy the way it is I just don't have the money. But it's definitely cool.

[@mauro15010]

super late, but the squeak comes from the locking mecanism, I think... I assume from the spring that rubs on the sides of the housing.

[@mauro15010]

I mean is the lock itself, not when you whip the knife open, just press and release the lock a couple of times, and you will get that sound

[@HamBone86]

So is this considered to be a wharncliffe, reverse tanto and sheep’s foot all-in-1? I have this knife and love it and I’ve always debated on which style blade it is. It says reverse tanto on the Civivi description page, but can see how it could be a sheep’s foot and wharncliffe also.

[@samlee458]

is this lock similar to demko shark lock? 🤔

[@gideonstactical]

I discuss this in the video

[@samlee458]

@@gideonstactical oh missed that part 😅

[@kenmarapese9085]

A midst the super hype of the Demko 20.5 I anxiously waited for mine. Ends up I'm not a fan the that lock, the tip of my finger gets sore after actuating a couple of times and in depending the position of my hand it can be difficult to close.

[@gideonstactical]

This one is definitely easier on the fingers.

[@alanmccoll6490]

I was actually thinking of buying this knife. There are so many good knives it’s hard to narrow it down to one since I don’t order knives often since they are costly. Good video take care.

[@coreybikes]

Pop a Civivi Ti clip on it. No hot spot. I've also seen a Kizer Sheepdog clip used.

[@anthonyschutz7201]

I have the vision, and i have no complaints at all. I havent used it for hard use yet but it feels good for me. Id love to see the lock on another design but this one works good enough for now

[@gregvanderlip7726]

Great information brother thanx for a nice gaw opportunity love the work you put out

[@gideonstactical]

Much appreciated

[@carmelotansengco4605]

I bought the natural G10 with satin Nitro V blade. I agree with you with regards to the Conspirator. I really love mine. Have you tried out the Sentinel Strike? I have the all black version with green FRN. I think you're going to like that. Great review. Thanks.

[@grandprixgtpjy]

I agree about something needs to change with civivi’s pocket clips. Those are very uncomfortable and the generic ones that they use on almost everything “like my civivi bo” is just an eyesore to me.

[@J.sh_CDN]

I wonder if I'm the only one who disagrees.. Having a ton of different pocket clips, from CKRT to spyderco to gas station knives, ive had a to of awful terrible "Unique" pocket flips. To get a bunch of knives with a generic two screw deep carry has been fantastic for me. They are nice and minimalist in pocket, and they don't take away from the look of the knife. They are just pure function, and easy to replace and I love it

[@LRRP69]

Not sure if the super lock is for me or not.would have to get online my hand to see

[@dash8465]

Hardside.. still no Grayl cap?

[@gideonstactical]

I am sure at some point

[@gabedavis4458]

I do love some Nitro V! Tough and stainless. Locking? Compression lock is good. Axis lock, good too. The CJRB button locks have been rock solid too. I only have the one civivi button lock so far, the first button lock elementum. It's pretty good too, locks up tight

[@dragonram7]

Never owned a civivi. For XL to XXL hands, sometimes the options are a little limited other than cold steel type designs. If I find the right design, might give civivi a go.

[@L.T.112]

Civivi synergy 4

[@keepitsharp-x4s]

did you ever figure out where that squeak is coming from? incase you havent, i figured out where mine was coming from. its the spring not being seated properly. all of the sudden my knife squeaking wnen pulling the lock back. as soon as i removed the right side scale and released the pressure from my hand the spring dislodged from underneath the liner. so. if the spring is seated properly it should remain seated with out the liner in place. so how the hell do i know if the spring is seated properly? i with the finger im using to keep the spring in place i just roll the spring slowly till its seated properly.. anyways that was the issue with my knife. hope this helps and to anyone else thats having this issue.. take care

[@edc4fun]

Appreciate the testing. Thanks

[@gideonstactical]

No problem!

[@Gterr1971]

I been diggin Civivi lately. Recently picked up my first one.the Brazen . Love a nice tanto.

[@keepitsharp-x4s]

its november 2 2023 and i just recieved my vision from amazon and i love it. im at the part of your video with the squeeking, i gotta tell you my knife has no squeek what so ever. im deploying the blade like a madman and it sounds amazing. maybe the squeek has come from the testing... anyways on with your video, thanks by the way....

[@chrisdyck6524]

I simply screwed the clip from the Böker Magnum blue Jay onto the Civivi Vision fg. Visually, in terms of feel and in everyday life, it fits perfectly. 😅🤷‍♂️👍

[@Whatdayawanttodowithyourlife]

I suggest Hammertime to the pocketclip💪🔨 😊. The squeek doesnt sound too bad, can prob be heard better in person.. Does oil have any affect on the squeek or is it in the design? I would shape the edges with some sandpaper. Agee. The Rats are customizable to each hand. Gave an Elmax knife to a buddy a couple years ago. Still his edc.

[@smgolisano]

I swapped out the pocket clip after it grabbed invent within 3 days of having it. Now I have the milled civivi pocket clip and it's great

[@krefcenz]

Aaron given that the bill on the pocket clip is a major weakness, do you have a recommendation on an after market pocket clip? Thx. Paul

[@charlesdudek7713]

Nice thorough review as usual. 👍 Off topic of the knife, I am curious as to what brand and model that backpack is behind you.

[@gideonstactical]

Mystery ranch in and out 22 did a video last year on it. 👍 always appreciated the comments, and questions 👍

[@charlesdudek7713]

@@gideonstactical Thanks! I'll have to check that out.

[@charlesdudek7713]

@@gideonstactical That backpack video was very helpful. Thanks again!

[@Intoxacajun]

Good review! You are correct, it's a great time to be into knives! They make so many good knives now it's good to have a channel like yours to help in making decisions. I picked up the Vision FG in the Damascus and love it. Wish I would have just got the plain steel. May still get one. Great value! It's up there with my Demco in Aus 10. (One of my favorites) Also wanted the Cold Steel version of this lock so got the Karve at a good price to try out. It's a beast! Will probably pick up an Engage in S35VN if I find it at a good price. Have the Conspirator and it's one of my favorites. I have the Microtech MSI (which is a fantastic knife) and if they would have put a thumb bump on the top that lock it would have been something!

[@sharpwhits0167]

From the perspective of someone who does a lot of sharpening, it looks like they did the plunge grind right.

[@DrGruesome]

Did you try putting some lube in the pivot to help with that mouse sound? Great video, looking at getting a vision FG myself! =)

[@maverick4462]

I love all the innovation we are seeing these days. That said, I edc my svord peasant the most. Just, fast, simple, never felt like i might fold it on my fingers.

[@lalli8152]

Yeah, and isnt the peasant that you also keep the knife open by holding the tang thing so its less likely to happen than slipjoint

[@jwquan]

I like this knive, but I will like in drones wash Blade with Micarta. The way you test it really show the well bilt the knive is

[@tobydelahoussaye8630]

Really like the blade shape and look of the knife. But that off set belt clip thows it off.

[@AdamKorz]

I feel like it's a safe lock. I dislike button locks unless they are recessed to improve safety. Used a elementum button lock with gloves and had a close call. Not hating just saying I like how the superlock is out of the way and in a direction where it would be unusual to disengage it as you would have to grip pretty high.

[@FARACI1]

It looks like a really nice blade really good design I like the curvature in it for an EDC and I really think that’s a good grind and will be quite effective. Thanks for another great video.

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks for watching

[@stevegoodwin803]

Excellent review. Well done, Aaron.

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks so much really appreciate it

[@Penguin482]

My AD20.5 squeaks and it drives me crazy.

[@edwardgriswold7222]

Great review, I've been looking at the Vision. Your review answered a lot of the questions I had.

[@gideonstactical]

Glad I could help

[@danielcox5849]

I’m loving the Vision FG and the Superlock. I’m going to replace the clip with a Kizer titanium clip. Overall I couldn’t be happier with this knife. Definitely the best Civivi in my collection.

[@TheSMPStudios]

I just did that to mine!! Sweet knife!

[@sodathief]

The banter clip fits too

[@gyan6375]

Looks like a nice slicer.

[@hopslvr314]

Put the pocket clip on the other side.

[@Madman6505]

My AD 20.5 squeaks but my Vision does not. The super lock makes for a very smooth feeling deployment, kind of like Spyderco's caged ball lock on the Manix 2, but lighter.

[@booperthebest1501]

Looking to get my first knife, and the Damascus version is looking quite attractive to me

[@JosephOlson-ui2pg]

How did your plans go to get a knife?

[@booperthebest1501]

@@JosephOlson-ui2pg ended up finding a kunwu x tao for a good price on the secondary market so i went with that

[@rontz]

The lock IS designed so that it can be pulled out completely. There‘s just one additional pin you‘ve got to remove, which has been put there to stop the average Joe from accidentally „disassembling“ it all the time ;) Where the squeaking is coming from, is pretty obvious: it happens when you‘re opening it, and the reason is there‘s metal rubbing on metal. My version doesn’t do it anymore, but I‘ve got the damasteel version, but maybe yours will stop as well. You also put some grease on the tip of the lock.

[@cmoorhead1]

Bought this and the Civivi milled titanium clip at the same time. Like you, I also prefer the Conspirator. I like the super lock but I find myself constantly trying to use it as a flipper to deploy the blade.

[@Matthew-nm4bl]

Just don't know if I would enjoy having to take my gloves off to close my tool

[@gideonstactical]

No need to take your gloves off with this one

[@Matthew-nm4bl]

@@gideonstactical really? Thanks for the heads up. I may pick one up. Just got the sendy as well.

[@Paa375]

The super lock kill my finger very hard to press and this knife is huge definitely not a small knife

[@scottbenefield3184]

Enjoyed that I was curious about the lock

[@claycowartisamazing]

LOVE MY DEMKO AD 20.5

[@maxlvledc]

I love that sound! Hahaha, so funny. I like loud unique knife sounds.