Has Everquest gone PAY to WIN?

[@boot-strapper]

EQ was the best MMO ever made. It's sad that 0.000001% of modern gamers have ever played it.

[@_wizen]

It's not how quickly they can come up with new ones. Rest assured they have loads of ways to cash in on our nostalgia already thought up. No, it's how quickly they can shove these new monetization methods down our throats without triggering the gag reflex, so to speak. It's been rather slow so far but this perk system is something else. At first I thought the perk system was a bonus for paying customers, as an incentive to keep spending and encourage others to join in the fun, but learning more about it I found it was just a cash grab on top of the loot they're already hauling in from this 22 year old gem. If they want to give existing players more and let paying customers choose a perk each month, that's one thing, but saying 'give us money and we'll make the game easier'? Yeah, game's dead to me.

[@thekwillis2830]

I just want a remastered EQ in Unity

[@Redbeardflynn]

Or unreal. I'd play the hell out of that!

[@TheSentry66]

Yes, please EQ remastered in Unreal graphics engine! 👍👍

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@TheSentry66 have you seen the videos of some of the zones remade in unreal like gfay(kelethin)? They look so cool. Really wish they'd work on a graphics overhaul at some point but maintain a "classic" option kind of like the halo remaster

[@TheSentry66]

@@Redbeardflynn Hi Redbeard! I have not seen those videos yet - I'll look them up - I agree, they could also do like D2 Remastered - give you the ability to switch back to the classic, blocky look any time you like - easier said than done but possible, I'm sure!

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@TheSentry66I almost want to tell you not to so you don't have to see how cool they are since it probably won't happen! Maybe one day! There's something about being able to revisit nostalgia with the most updated technology while still being able to preserve the classic version. I'll be curious what you think after seeing those old zones in unreal!

[@Darbobski]

I Wish they (Daybreak) had simply adopted the old model of monthly subscription and left it at that. They could still get cash infusions by releasing expansions, too. Unfortunately, they decided they wanted the best of both worlds by charging people to play (no, it's not truly free once you realize that caping AAs at 250 basically neuters the game) AND charging micro-transactions. The free game is only going to turn away new players who will get a sour taste thanks to artificially weak characters that can only progress quickly by having high-level players babysit them. Those who stick with it were going to anyway. They are probably just people who played 20 years ago and are looking for nostalgia. In other words, if Daybreak would just give people access to everything for the monthly payment, I'd be fine with that, but Daybreak is proving that they are greedy and not interested in Everquest as an important MMORPG.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I think it's part of the changing climate of the mmo space. The idea of a cash shop + subscription has always rubbed me the wrong way but I also understand the reality of how subscription costs have stagnated. I 100% agree wirh you on some of the eq f2p restrictions. They're pretty harsh but you can get a lot of game for free, it just so happens that that part of the game is barren (talking lower levels) meaning it's a very hollow experience. Thank you so much for your comment!

[@gunnz1n]

I don't think it's appropriate to call Everquest a juggernaught of the mmo community anymore. Having played recently around 70% of the population is not actual players but people using mq2 to bot their 6+man squads, this includes "map hack" by the way. It's funny because in the guild I was in it was clearly stated that the guild did not "condone or support" using MQ2 even though more than half the guild consisted of bots. People were 24/7 afk while lvling to 120 effortlessly and even the guild leader did it. The design of the recent expansions is just a copy paste from the previous one with changed names of stuff. Almost every npc and area is just reused assets.

[@Redbeardflynn]

You're not wrong if you're looking st everquest currently though it does still have an active player base and is one of very few games releasing an expansion every single year but the imprint the game has had on the genre over two decades is hard to ignore. It has influenced other mmos both positively and negatively and honestly it doesn't show much sign of slowing down. I'd even hazard a guess that eq2 would be closed down before eq but even that sequel continues to pump out expansions. The quality may sometimes be mixed but the quantity is pretty awe inspiring when you compare eqs longevity to how many mmos have been launched and died since eq first launched back in 1999.

[@Camelotsmoon]

At least it's not like EQ2 where they put items that double your DPS in loot crates... End up spending $2,000 on loot boxes to be accepted into endgame raids, it's sad tbh. I was shocked to see every EQ2 server with low pops, vs EQ having some medium pop servers last month when I checked, but it shouldn't be a surprise seeing as they're only catering to whales nowadays. EQ is next if we know daybreak. I have 0 faith in them... Miss the old SOE days, right before we had to worry about station cash. I heard Amazon injected some money into daybreak to get some say in the EQ name, but AGS has their own issues... Pantheon is the only thing that'll more than likely bring back the old EQ2 kunark days for me.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Oh wow I had no idea that was a thing in eq2. I abandoned that game several years ago

[@jaimeorr4661]

It's always been awful that staff compete against .... Players in areas - like bags. Players trying to sell crafted items lose plat when players buy staff bags instead. So players are inhibited/held back. I use the word - cheats, to describe staff all the time on many things.

[@Redbeardflynn]

This is a very important point you've made. When pay-for-options compete against the game's own internal economy that causes intense disruptions.

[@AXLHillier]

They are running a business. With a declining (dying...literally) subscriber base. I look at it more supporting a business that provides a service I highly value. I would pay more in sub fees, but the perks have a nice bonus. You have a point - but I think EQ sees that sub fees are fairly low for most games and cannot compete in that area - therefore the perk route.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Fair points! The stagnation of the sub fed for as long as it's been likely hurts mmos across the genre but I have to believe that's also because research has shown people won't pay more than $15 per month for an mmo or else you'd have multiple games charging. Recent release have also seemed to shy away from the sub model so it'll be interesting to see long term how all this works out. Thank you so much for watching and thank you for leaving a comment! Very appreciated.

[@allenwaddell7955]

Considering the actual cost of actually living has exploded since the 14.99 sub fee was implemented, I'd have to say any toes in the increase water is concerning for me. Also, the sub fee has always been difficult for me to rationalize to myself. This is only compounded by my monthly sub fees for Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, etc...I know for a fact my exceptionally hot wife isn't going to let me drop the ball on those cause my "videogame" sub is going up lol. 💪😈🤙

[@Redbeardflynn]

That's kind of what I was thinking, too, it's almost like an optional sub price increase instead of making it mandatory. I have to imagine they did plenty of market research before coming to the conclusion to not make it across the board. I can totally see the sub fee argument, for me it's always come down to hours of entertainment and MMOs have always provided more than any other subscription outside perhaps a music subscription or for me, Audible. It does feel like we're drowning in monthly payments a bit, but it's not just MMOs anymore, it's games as a service, streaming, apps...etc etc. Haha and congratulations to you and your marriage! Yes, definitely keep the household happy. I wouldn't dare suggest to my wife that an EQ subscription was more important than Hallmark in December.

[@allenwaddell7955]

@@Redbeardflynn boss those Hallmark movies are oxygen to my household 6 especially around Christmas. I see you understand the other subs are for everybody and keep the family going (5 kids 2 with us full-time). My game sub is for me and me alone. Then when you consider there are other titles you want to try out like the upcoming Pantheon and you have to put money into that as well the selfishness of this chosen hobby starts to feel very tangible. Regardless, thanks for the response battle ultra Kool💪😈🤙

[@lennym1273]

They jumped the shark when they implemented cash shop and kronos for me...

[@Redbeardflynn]

That's fair, it definitely changed the game, especially while maintaining a subscription model.

[@kraigb6454]

First View and Comment! Good video, not a fan of the perks addition. Slippery slope getting worse. Not surprising though tbh. They know people will pay it. >_

[@Redbeardflynn]

Thank you so much for the comment! I agree, it's a slippery slope and I worry about it beyond EQ. I can't see any of the perks being positive.

[@Anweas]

As someone who started playing EQ during Kunark and stopped playing during Omens of War, I love your channel. I miss EQ and have constantly thought of going back. Your channel only makes my nostalgia worse! Great channel.

[@Redbeardflynn]

That's such a high compliment thank you so much! Made my day.

[@billsharp7698]

It concerns me because they obviously struggling for income. Instead of trying to focus on a broader base of paying players, they are (once again) looking at hardcore raiders and catering to them. I can see guilds on TLP servers REQUIRING the perks be bought.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I think you might see the guilds that require members to set up a bat phone for extra raid targets requiring it becUsd those are the ones who just really push content. We'll have to see when the next round of tlps come ! Thank you so much for watching and thank you for your comment !

[@SwishEQ]

y'all tried the Project 1999 servers? There's a pvp server too

[@Redbeardflynn]

Oh wow I didn't know they had a pvp server, too! That's very cool!

[@j-sin3344]

I remember in 00 I was working at an ISP and got everyone hooked on EQ and I was selling gear drops on Ebay, then Sony said it was ToS violation to sell in game items for money. So people said you pay for the time it took to get it, the item being free. Soonish after that, Sony started selling some things in the store. Good old days SMR sold for $100 yep, check the stats, lol 100 bux. Shiny Metallic Robes.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Ah the early early days of internet gaming. When it was a bit of a wild west and some of us still played on AOL.

[@slyane7320]

EverQuest is THE mmorpg...warcrap stole from EQ....there was NEVER PAY to win in EQ! You always had to work for & earn what you had/have. My guy,I don't like to call out content creators,but your walk throughs are weak for someone that has played the game as much as you say you have. I really wish EQ would get a resurgence....

[@AllanAdamson]

Quellious players.. such as myself.. remember the days... haha.. I wrote that song about it

[@Redbeardflynn]

Oh really? That's so cool!

[@AllanAdamson]

@@Redbeardflynn ah yeah sometimes people will reference it in general chat on POVAR when I'm on

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@AllanAdamson that's amazing! Well done.

[@AllanAdamson]

@@Redbeardflynn hahaha yeah I know people in Triton & other guilds it's EverQuest you know how it goes

[@_Wake_Up_If_U_Can]

Appreciate the videos on EQ! As far as this new perk system, it sounds like what Black Desert Online does. You RENT bag space and loot bonuses. You buy the game and play for 2 weeks. At two weeks your rented bag space + boosted loot % ends. At this point your bag is entirely 1/3 red (exceeds capacity) and your individual town storage is also 1/3 red (exceeds capacity). They itemize the game with thousands of variations of items but only give you a couple dozen bag spots. When we reached two weeks and found this out, we were so agitated we rage quit. I have been playing EQ off and on since 2001. Got my wife to start playing in 2014. We play for a month or two and quit for the year every year. In any case, if its perks or game dies, we would choose the perks and game living on. People spend more then tier 3 perks in one visit to Starbucks. Thank you again for your EQ videos. Your druid portals section of the POP video had me laughing as a former Halfling Druid main.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Thank you so much for your comment! I really appreciate it and I plan to continue to make eq content as the ideas come to me or any news around the game. I've played it on and off for 20+ years at this point. You mentioned getting your spouse to play, hah I tried that with my wife and I think she lasted one session and was done 😆 I'm really really happy to hear you appreciated the little druid skit!

[@kirksneckchop7873]

For me, farming plat takes way more time than working a job for an equivalent amount to buy a krono or pay the subscription fee. EQ is full of people in their 40s and 50s that can afford the "convenience fees" anyway. More problematic is that the new owners of the EQ IP might decide that revenues need to increase, and the new "perks" system might be a reaction by daybreak to something like that.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Another friend of mine pointed that out that it's tied to new ownership and concerns over this being the tip of the iceberg which could lead to aggressive overmonetization to get money back. I think eq is still popular enough that maintaining the games reputation is worth potential short term windfalls but we shall see! It remains the mmo world most important to me for all the memories over the last 2 decades. Thank you so much for your comment!

[@bengaming3649]

I completely agree. I can't devote 8-10 hours a day to playing an MMO like I used to so I absolutely love that I can spend a few bucks to buy Krono to buy things in game that I wouldn't have the time to farm for especially since the gameplay in EQ is so dependant on your gear. It was a night and day experience for me when I came back after a 20 year break. I had such crap gear back then that ultimately I ended up leaving the game because I couldn't keep up with my guild. When I came back and invested $100 into the game and twinked my character out from the get go, the game was 100x more fun.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@bengaming3649 comments like this make me look a little kinder toward p2w because I understand the mmo landscape has shifted so much over the last 20 years. Thank you so much for watching and for commenting.

[@stephenp8232]

Month old buuuut. Pet class + auto loot system = free money. And being able to have inf number of accountals thats alot of money. I can make about 1 mil a day.

[@sillygoose6251]

I used to be a GM on EverQuest and I quit because all of the "best" players in the game used hacks and upper management wouldn't let me take action because they were friends with some of the worst offenders, entire guilds would be wiped out, and server populations would be killed.

[@markjamison93]

Krono makes the TLPs pay to win. You can't even complete epics without dealing with the krono farmers.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Krono farming is pretty brutal on progression servers yeah.

[@Scrap-dog8181]

True on all aspects of "PERKS" but sadly I will continue to play until I die.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Everquest made a world that is hard to leave! Regardless of the way they're going with monetization I'm glad you're still enjoying yourself! Go slay some dragons and thank you so much for your view and your comment

[@mikelee2490]

Play on test server shhhhhhhh.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Haha very true!!!

[@ronmoak329]

what is toltor and eso?

[@Redbeardflynn]

SWTOR - Star Wars The Old Republic, an MMO published by EA and created by Bioware. Think of it as a story-focused gem if it had been single player, and a decent game multiplayer. ESO - Elder Scrolls Online, one of those MMOs that started out rough but has really begun to shine and is one of the top MMOs out there today. It has action-oriented combat, a good personal story, and a very fair monetization model.

[@Scott-bu5cq]

I don't have any particular issue with these types of monetization. The bags and clickies they sell in the station store - some of which are cash-only - have far more of an impact. What does drive me away from EQ is the negative game experiences of content that rewards bad player behavior, or bugged out progression raids that don't flag characters properly, followed up with lack of support interventions to restore the progression to the player. DPG has made a fair effort to alleviate some of the first item (re-scripted Coldain ring quests), but they need to address their support philosophy on raids. Hopefully, their community liaising will drive them in this direction.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I agree with you on the things like the bags having more impact, especially on progression servers where they run specials. I hope they can fix the flagging issued you mentioned. I know we ran into a ton throughout phinigel as the "guinea pigs" for a lot of the changes they wanted to implement on progression servers.

[@mercanyinriechert6732]

As far as a sub model. I am okay with paying a monthly fee if the game has content worthy of it. We spend 5, 10, 15 bucks on bullcrap everyday. I value game time or entertainment by how many hours I would do such activity. For an example going to the movie theatre is expensive. Spending 20-30$ for 2 1/2 hours of entertainment. Pretty expensive. 15 bucks a month for 10-20 hours of game time a week, pretty cheap way to entertain myself. As far as adding more ways to monetize the game. I'm okay with that so long as its not breaking core mechanics. I value the journey, not the destination so leveling 5% slower than other people using a perk is not a deal breaker for me. I feel like people don't like paying for stuff. Take taxes for example. Everyone wants a nice smooth road to drive on w/sidewalks and lights at night but no one wants to pay taxes to build said road. Maybe a bad analogy but my two cents. You want something to happen it has to be financially viable. People want EQ to live on, they have to do things to make it financially viable.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Great comment! Thank you for watching and for adding your two cents and contributing to the conversation.

[@RetroSnaccDaekin]

I know I am a year late to this but I don't think it is a bad idea at all.

[@mikelary88]

Loving p99 Green.

[@Redbeardflynn]

That's the alternative right? Never tried p99 but I've heard good things about how nostalgia was preserved

[@mikelary88]

@@Redbeardflynn it’s fun - there are rules to try and make things ‘fair’ which would never have existed back in the day, however it’s still been a very enjoyable experience. I got my 17yr old stepdaughter to play and the first thing she said was “wow the graphics are bad!” but less than 10mins later she’s screaming in terror when she turns around and a decaying skeleton is in her face. It’s amazing how many people on p99 I meet that never played EQ before and are really having a good time. It’s a testament to what makes a good game, ‘good’.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@mikelary88 Oh that's so cool! Thank you for sharing. That's really exciting to hear about new people being introduced to the game (and new generations) through p99. I'll always hold onto my memories from the early 2000's in Eq.

[@Elemenopi23]

p2w ALWAYS increases. If this current surge of it doesn't cross some people's lines, the next surge of it might, and so on. Those defending the current version of it don't take the future into account. They see what's there now and choose to partake. Once the market becomes saturated with the current amount of grind mitigation, it will increase, as will the artificial barriers put in place to incentivize players buying more of it. Add currency of progress, add bottleneck, sell a way to get past the bottleneck faster. Sword and sorcery MMOs start to look like a lawn mower simulator skinned as a sword and sorcery MMO.

[@Redbeardflynn]

It's always about pushing the line just a little bit more right? Great comment and thank you so much for watching!!

[@cloudlink2542]

Probably why daybreak is working in a new MMO, everquest can't hold them up anymore.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I'm very curious to see both what happens with the 64 bit client and with the rumors swirling around a new game with AGS.

[@cloudlink2542]

@@Redbeardflynn yea think it's supposed to be a marvel mmo. I'm hoping it's good, they worked wonders with DCU. That aside, I hope they get more innovative like they were back in the day. Not scared to take chances Champions of Norath, EQ on consoles, those things didn't work well back then, but I feel today they could, expand back into consoles significantly increasing their player base. DCU and Planetside do well on console, as well as most MMOs. Console gamers are starving for them, it breathed new life back into ESO back in 2015, Tera, Neverwinter and even Blessed.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@cloudlink2542 oo that's interesting, that would probably do well for them. I'm interested to see what they do with the eq ip going forward. I was one of those few people who actually liked champions of norrath but I was disappointed in how little of the eq I knew back then it showed.

[@cloudlink2542]

@@Redbeardflynn same read something awhile back they might be reviving a EQ next type of game, just hope they remove the minecraft type mechanics it had, that may take away from the game in my opinion. Yea champions of norrath was great I preferred it over Diablo.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@cloudlink2542 dark alliance 1 was just re releases ans possibly 2 soon and they may he getting PC ports. Similar gameplay to champion's!

[@lamprou]

This is what happens when your company runs out of the life time sub cash. Your subscription needs a subscription!

[@Redbeardflynn]

The optional subscription ontop of the optional subscription that may eventually be a compulsory subscription. Thank you so much for watching and for your comment!

[@jasonrobinson9992]

Oh man the game is now with the rest of the games pay for this pay for that so what.. really so what I feel lucky to even be able play this game today .. the game is the best game on the market it has to move forward or the game will die…

[@Redbeardflynn]

Fair point! And I'm glad you're enjoying it so much. I've loved my time in eq and met some lifelong friends from this game.

[@MrKveite1]

For me those perks are too small to pay for but obv many other players will def buy them.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I could see the raid perk being very attractive to guilds pushing content or raiders who are doing older content and getting double and triple currency due to it being older. My hope is this will flop but I think if it does, they'd just increase the rewards. We'll see! Thank you so much for taking the time to leave a comment.

[@jameswalker4397]

I paid for the perks. I dont wand to pay a lot. I'm 65 and on a fixed income. More bang for my buck entertainment wise is hard to find.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I'm glad they've been a benefit to you!

[@localidiot4078]

if it is reasonably priced im ok with it. 2.99 isnt nearly bad enough for me to get angry. as long as i can keep playing Pay to Win is bad, but i dont think this is as close as any serious reaction would merit

[@Redbeardflynn]

You can definitely argue it's not really any more egregious than what is already in-game with exp potions, faction potions, bags...etc. The raid currency is the one that stands out to me as having the possibility to unbalance the game but I tend to agree with you, it's not there just yet. Time will tell how this impacts the race to complete content. Thank you so much for your comment!

[@ishtarrak13]

I so wish I had gotten a screenshot of my box's Silver account - no one believes they existed! Loving the videos!

[@Redbeardflynn]

I believe you! I was there, when the deep magic of free to play was written (or some other mangled quote from C.S. Lewis or Tolkien) Thank you so much for watching and for you're very kind comment.

[@slaanax9119]

June 2005 I was in Iraq. Without a major redesign I don't see how they attract new player base. They have to find a new way to earn money. I just came back from an extended hiatus and am loving the 5% increase bonus

[@Redbeardflynn]

I'm glad you're enjoying it! I hope it can smooth out some of the roughness of the leveling curve. I completely agree that attracting new players is not something eq can currently do. I've tried to bring on a few long term mmo fans to disastrous results. I think one of the biggest issues is the ui and lack of some qol. What would you add to bring in New players if you were darkpaw?

[@slaanax9119]

@@Redbeardflynn I think smoothing out the leveling curve so that you can get to 85 faster and adding some more interactive elements for characters might help to attract new players. Make quests more worthwhile. People expect quests to be part of leveling at this point. Maybe create a storyline across multiple zones for a smooth leveling experience.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@slaanax9119 Great ideas, I think! There are a lot of more modern Quality of Life tools in newer MMOs that I think could benefit EQ without taking away the soul of the game.

[@montanafreedomhomestead3949]

Locked server agnarr any levels after 65 sucks...

[@Redbeardflynn]

I personally really enjoyed a lot of the content I got to experience on Phinny. Doing it gradually really makes it fun but I also understand the nostalgia that starts to fade after PoP. Thank you for the comment!

[@donaldc3884]

Id pay a monthly subscription if they took the eq2 engine, turned it into eq1, and made it actually challenging again. There are good things about both of them so smash the two together, call it eq3, i dont really care.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Oh that would be interesting. I'd give that game a try for sure.

[@donaldc3884]

@@Redbeardflynn im hoping it will be Pantheon. I like ESO but there are a lot of mechanics in that game. I like the amount of content and mechanics in eq2, not too much or too little, just about right for jumping in and doing something without it becoming a second career.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@donaldc3884 I'm really hoping it will be pantheon, too. I hope they can find the right balance. I agree on eso, it's a solid game but lots of stuff going on. Always a fun game to hop in and probably one of the more fair monetization models I've seen

[@jimquinn799]

How does one get on Everquest online? Is it called that?

[@Redbeardflynn]

Just "Everquest" and you can play the game by making an account here: www.everquest.com/home and downloading the game there, too. You can experience the "live" game which means the version of the game that is up-to-date with all expansions for free. Thank you for leaving a comment!

[@The.Man.WithAPlan]

Well see what this EverQuest 64 bit brings to the table. I just play it time to time for fun.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I'm very curious to see what the 64 bit client opens up for EQ, time will tell!

[@The.Man.WithAPlan]

@@Redbeardflynn I hope they make Significant changes if just eq 64 bit I see really no point on it . Just same game 64 bit no big deal.

[@lukasfehrwight4247]

Raid currency doesn't start until VoA, TLP population fairly low by that expansion, and far less competitive.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Fair point! There a definite drop in population but on phinny competition really only dropped off in empires of Kunark. Thank you so much for your comment and for your view.

[@Vaclav]

Don't have the time to watch it quite yet (in between work things here) - but will later - but just wanted to pop in and say that I was on hiatus from EQ already and these encouraged me to make it permanent because I loathe the concept so much

[@dragonsickness4561]

They need to just keep it at velious or Luclin and ban boxing. That server would be meta.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I believe that's essentially what p99 is, is it not?

[@dragonsickness4561]

@@Redbeardflynn yeah but p99 has no convenience or qol features like the UI updates. Stopping at luclin would set it apart from p99

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@dragonsickness4561 Ah, fair! I see! I think I'd eventually get bored but I can see the appeal for others!

[@bengaming3649]

My thoughts are this. If this was a brand new game with everyone starting from scratch then yeah maybe it would be concerning and bordering on P2W at the very least. However we are taking EQ here. As much as I love the game, it is pretty much dead at this point, has been for a while unfortunately. Most people playing now are playing for the nostalgia and/or playing because there aren't any really good MMOs available to play.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I think that's a pretty fair assessment. I love seeing other perspectives.

[@Nukestarmaster]

I am willing to pay a grand total of 0$ to play an MMO, they all end as pay to win cashgrabs no matter if they're free to play, buy to play or subscription.

[@Redbeardflynn]

Could that be said of all games that have a "live service" model? Battlefield, Destiny, Fortnite, MMOs, GTA...etc etc. I don't think MMOs stand out as being particularly egregious in this but it all circles back to what we, the playerbase, are willing to pay for. Thank you so much for watching and for leaving a comment!

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@Redbeardflynn Yeah, and I have played precisely zero of those games, I mostly play almost exclusively either highly moddable games (Minecraft, Terraria, Skyrim, Stellaris et cetera) and/or indie games. I refuse on principal to pay money to play a game with mircotransactions in it (especially if those microtransactions happen to be gambling too), full stop.

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@Nukestarmaster oo have you tried valheim?

[@Nukestarmaster]

@@Redbeardflynn No, I haven't. Why?

[@Redbeardflynn]

@@Nukestarmaster very similar game to the ones you listed. Made by an indie dev team. Building, mods, pve. It's very fun

[@fredlal]

it been pay to win sence teh krono where out

[@grimmlinn]

Depending on your point of view, a subscription fee is also pay to win, since without it, you are severely limited or can't play. It can be compared to boxing an alt or a programable repeating keyboard. Some consider it cheating. For me, I didn't want carpal tunnel syndrome so I used a programmable keyboard. Some would call me a cheater. It all depends on your personal boundaries/morals/point-of-view. It would be like calling a person in a race a cheater for having a better shoe that costs more.

[@Redbeardflynn]

I think when subscription fee was required to even access the game that wouldn't be the case but now with it f2p ? You have a very good point. Eq has restricted items and mercs and such behind the sub now and in the past.

[@draqattack7146]

Is this another EQ video? Hahaha

[@Redbeardflynn]

haha did you like that one?