Has Star Citizen Already Failed? Feat. MandaloreGaming and TheYamiks

[@CharlatanWonder]

Hey real quick everyone I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG WHEN I MADE THAT VIDEO ABOUT CIG SPLITTING THIER SHARES!!! I WAS RIGHT!!! HA!!! wccftech.com/star-citizen-maker-cig-takes-46m-investment-valuing-it-at-500-million-squadron-42-roadmap-released/

[@PrimusSwallows]

So what does this mean?

[@velvetelvis7828]

@@PrimusSwallows Means this lispy kid is stupid and doesn't understand business...

[@smugchuckles1140]

@@velvetelvis7828 how much did you spend on JPEGs?

[@velvetelvis7828]

@@smugchuckles1140 all my ships are flyable. Ive spent 175 over the last 6 years. Much cheaper than a lot of other games people play.

[@thestonedraider8684]

@@velvetelvis7828 too many idiots who like jump on the hate wagon. sad isn't it.

[@DaSackBoy]

"...2020 is considered a really optimistic estimate..." Yep. It is. Here's to 2030.

[@spooky5787X]

I'm sending this message through a wormhole in 2753. The bad thing is that the game is still in development. The good thing is that is very cheap, if you sell your first born to CIG (where they will put him to work on the construction of the matrioshka brain that will run the servers) and pay $250 you can play the game. Also squadron 42 will be out any day now.

[@dionysiusramanandyka6681]

Here's to 3152, As the survivor of the holy grail war in New Washington, Star Citizen hasn't released yet, and Chris Roberts XXXVI has announced a new feature, the Holy Grail's magic power cannot accelerate the speed of Star Citizen's development

[@codi0088]

2021 here,big hopes for 3000!!

[@CollinandBri]

Hard to believe that starsector has done more of what star citizen promised with a minuscule budget and a bunch of 2D art assets instead of fully 3D models.

[@user-uq9se1nx9q]

Yeah, seconding that

[@majk023]

It´s like Day-Z. The developer focused to much on minimal details, like being able to open trunks and doors on every car wreckage, rather than basic playability.

[@Sir_Bucket]

Kinda why Day-Z is not talked about anymore lol

[@deadrivers2267]

Erutan Egaro Lol 4 years of Early Access only to be forgotten. At least Black Mesa devs lived up to promises when they released their game.

[@temba92]

Imagine if Star Citizen would copy Dayz and let modders mod the game, Star Citizen could maybe become something.

[@newironside]

@@deadrivers2267 Im amazed Black Mesa ever came out. At this point it barely matters and I still prefer the OG but God damn they eventually did it

[@ZoapOfDoom]

At least Dayz didn't sell spaceships for $10 000, you bought the game back in 2013 for $20 - $25 and then you got the full game when it released (not saying the development of Dayz was handled gracefully!).

[@LegionOfEclaires]

I get the feeling that Star Citizen is hands down the most successful product to never release...

[@jacobstallard2678]

They've been jerking this off for so long they should release it and start making money.

[@bensosnowski1128]

jacob stallard why would they release it? They could keep making money forever, as long as they never release it

[@doodguytheblank2403]

This is the English West Indes company of video games.

[@jinsory5582]

@@bensosnowski1128 Or people actually get fed up when the mass amount of backers are 50-70 when they backed it when they were 20-30. I mean sure that's a whole lot of money still, but I'm pretty sure you can assume that my example was quite ridiculous, and you can imagine that at some point within this next decade, Star Citizen's either going to get super close to release/be forced to get close to release, or the company's gonna crumble and crumble and crumble once even the diehard fans start thinking "We're only funding this to make a Guiness World Record".

[@anghbalahr2971]

2159: The last evangelically backer of Star citizen, prolonging his life with nanomachines, has died in his sleep. Star Citizen is in Beta 1/2 now.

[@RP-dy5mu]

Squadron 42 is rumored to release in Q1 of 2160. Chris Roberts the 3rd announces a new ship that on purchases gives you some nices bonuses in SQ42.

[@R3NOV8]

@@RP-dy5mu Hornet F119C

[@Holret]

yeah Im sure the word BETA gives you all sorts of hope but that trash of a game still handles like an alpha. even over a year after this video was made. keep dreaming.

[@vzerby]

Recast for character that the late Mark Hamill was meant to star as has begun. Hopes for complete reshoots to be done in two years.

[@dss1095]

The game will amazing when its finished in 2256 tho

[@gaiuscaligula2229]

Funding this game is like buying a ticket to Fyre Festival, each year over and over again, even when the festival isn't happening any more and the organisers in jail.

[@kp5602]

REEEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU WHEN STAR CITIZEN LAUNCHES IT WILL REVOLUTIONIZE TECHNOLOGY, CULTURE, HUMANITY, AND BIOLOGY.

[@kp5602]

@The Xenomorphian Sarcasm

[@wind2536]

@The Xenomorphian do you not see the reee?

[@empiregeof]

@The Xenomorphian Well, never go on the official yt channels and critize the game. You'll get REEE'd unsarcastic. unless its a kink to get REEEE'd on, who knows, in todays world.

[@IllusionistsBane]

It's still going on? Also I thought one of the organizers was bailed out of jail.

[@InkubusGames]

You guys got it all wrong! The game is not a space sim! It is a management game where you invest the money into a project! This game is breaking the 4th wall!

[@mikicerise6250]

Bad Investment Simulator.

[@gravityhypernova]

It's like the most expensive Patreon ever, for a (large) bunch of people to pursue a hobby, without expectation of an actual product. With well-produced video blogging.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

invest implies a return. This is a donation. Except instead of helping some starving African kid, you are enriching a scam artist.

[@HughMansonMD]

Yeah, the video game is just the main character of the role play..

[@TheOGDominic]

This game is gonna get released around the time the game is set

[@movement2contact]

a "Right-on-time Simulator".

[@doodguytheblank2403]

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, Star Citizen still hasn’t been released.

[@Phataku]

When SC releases, they'll have to change the genre to "Historical Fiction."

[@ashmitpattnayak8060]

nah, dude. this gonna be a historical simulator.

[@beaners1234life]

Cyberpunk 2077 will actually release before Star Citizen...wow

[@JaitsuStudios]

The games' fans are the definition of sunk cost fallacy.

[@SuperZez]

There's actually a series about the game's scandals with the brilliant name of Sunk Cost Galaxy.

[@rwentfordable]

@@SuperZez Thanks. I've just watched and was really interesting.

[@SuperZez]

@@rwentfordable My pleasure!

[@firmanimad]

yo, exactly like toxic relationships

[@M3A7]

I know right! Fucking WoW players.... Oh wait....

[@zerominiatures4676]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only unfinished Kickstarter projects.

[@themagictheatre2965]

Scam games for the scam games god.

[@CheemsofRegret]

@@themagictheatre2965 rip offs for the rip off throne!

[@purefoldnz3070]

Its going to be Star Senior Citizen when it comes out

[@Nomammosway]

True

[@EnciuConstantin]

Purefoldnz that's gold

[@wabznasm9660]

Underrated comment.

[@yummy7657]

Thats the best comment

[@joeblack4436]

gold

[@BritishEcho]

So for anyone who may be seeing this video now. It is now 2020 and Star Citizen has still made no progress. Still no news on SQ42.... The Persistent Universe is still nothing but a bug ridden, crash happy empty shallow of a 'game' Yeah it is still spinning it's wheels, but hey it passed 300m in funding, so if nothing else the marketing team is at least pulling it's weight.

[@valletas]

now it has a road map for a road map for the sq42 i remember being so hyped for this game when i was a kid...

[@axios4702]

The comunity of this game (and to a lesser extend Yandere simulator) really feel like cults after some time, throwing MORE money at their prophets for their empty promises reagardless of their behaviour or proof of the trainwreck state of their games. They cling on to that hope that one day the game will come out and they will get to say they were right all along and we werent while they enjoy this awesome thing. Its very sad to think thousands of people will keep throwing money to the trash fire for a dream that wont come true.

[@valletas]

@@axios4702 even if it does... at what cost?

[@laughingman4236]

@@axios4702 Agreed. A guy from a different space game I play tried to get me into it. I quickly realized that the “gameplay” is completely vapid and that anyone who sinks major hours into it is just role-playing. It’s like a bunch of 43 year old kindergartners playing power rangers on a virtual playscape.

[@everythingiscoolio]

No kidding. I literally spent 3 days at least 5 or 6 hours a day trying to complete a single mission. Not a chance. Every time something either bugged or the server crashed. The only fun I had was with other people in the server needing help to get out of their bugged state. I got to fly some pretty cool spaceships and was in the turret seat for one of them. But I eventually uninstalled. I don't understand how it took 8 years to get to a game THIS broken?

[@ninjasheep7492]

Blasphemy. All Nick Cage movies are intensely enjoyable. Even if it’s rarely in the way it intended.

[@matthew1882]

Con Air is the best movie of all time.

[@JZStudiosonline]

@@matthew1882 For a brief period in time I had been fooled into thinking Cage was a bad actor. He's not. A lot of the well respected directors love him, and when he gets a good role like Raising Arizona or Joe he's phenomenal.

[@imranicanovic1154]

@@JZStudiosonline I agree. He's a great actor. It just feels like he pulls what is now known as an Adam Sandler. He does it for the money (except he is way worse with money than Sandlers. Remember when he owed the IRS multiple millions because he bought shrunk pigmy heads, two albino snakes, a shark, and an octopus as well as private islands, a haunted house and so much more?)

[@jesseeastman5913]

Around the 9minute mark he made a very insightful observation. In 2013 it was a mocking insult to say that star citizen would be done by 2020 and now in mid 2018 that's a (very) optimistic statement.

[@mercenum5186]

jesse eastman I'm dead serious when I say I have it releasing around 2024-25 if it ever does and even then it's going to be a huge disappointment to all those that backed it. I'm talking tons of bugs and crashes on a game that will barely have any of its promised features.

[@gabrielgriffon9334]

Because then they had like 10 people working on it so the scale and scope was much lower

[@chrisg2739]

2020 is even a dream at this point.

[@MrInkblots]

Considering that normal AAA games often take 7 years to make, I don't know why that would be an insult. CIG basically didn't exist before the crowdfunding campaign, and they're developing tech never before used and a game of a larger scale than theres ever been.

[@aceambling7685]

@@MrInkblots they haven't developed jack shit that is even remotely new or revolutionary, and the scale of the game is literally an unattainable goal, its a fucking pipe dream. It would take several lifetimes and trillions of dollars to make the game Chris Roberts wants to make.

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

I'm amazed at how cult like the followers are. They claim the recent Forbes article is bunk because no financials were mentioned. Well the financials are available to anyone who wants to to look at them. He is spending more than he brings in. Its the reason he sold 10% interest in the company. He had to. I was so excited about this game that I vowed not to buy a new computer to replace my 2010 home built until this game came out so as to have the best hardware. I caved over ago. Children born are are now going into 3rd grade.

[@M3A7]

Ahh, wrong. He sold 10% for a marketing budget so that backer money wasn't used to advertise the game. It's in the publicly available financials that you said you had looked at. You could have said the same thing about Cyberpunk. You know, a single player game that's been in development the same amount of time as SC.

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

@@M3A7 YOu're full of shit. You're suggesting that "to protect the backers" he sold rights to 1/10 of the company. LOL you're an idiot.

[@Chemical_Ali]

@@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 His comparison of SC to Cyberpunk 2077 is absolute disingenuous BS too. The game was announced in 2012 but it had not been in active development during the whole period because the studio developed and RELEASED The Witcher 3 and all of its DLCs in between that time. And what exactly were CIG doing during this whole time, other than raking in insane amounts of cash for almost nothing but a buggy mess in return? Plus CD Projekt haven't had the luxury of crowd funding over 300 million to develop their game. Nor is their budget any where near that amount (more like only a third of that amount).

[@THRAKORZOD]

@@Chemical_Ali Lol cyberpunk definitely had a very sizeable budget at around 220 million, cdprojekt is not a small company

[@Narius-bc7jp]

*Correction Has Star Citizen Already Failed? Feat. SsethTzeentach and TheYamiks

[@residenthazard5]

More I look back at this... more I feel like the whiteknights who defend this "game" to the death are just those who donated too much at kickstarter that they are desperate for it to not fail.

[@jorbendeboer9668]

Ostrava Well the main “hub” is called Crusader so there you have it. I actually backed this game a couple of days ago and had fun playing ever since. I want it to succeed but if it doesn’t I still had a good time playing. And that is something I rarely say about any games lately.

[@tanmang42]

Not to necro but, I dunno. While the game is probably not gonna be released before my fucking grandkids are born and die, generalizing to support a circlejerk is short-sighted and pointless.

[@handsomebrick]

There's a reason why Binky ATX's video series about Star Citizen is called "Sunk Cost Galaxy."

[@nerdstrangler4804]

@@tanmang42 The game will be released once the money dries up. There is no incentive to release a game when you have an endless stream of money flowing in. All releasing the game does is potentially jeopardize that revenue stream, as people might be dissatisfied with the final product. Whereas when you label it a work in progress, people will be more accepting of how shitty it is.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@jorbendeboer9668 then you haven't been playing too many games

[@JohnSmith-ck5qk]

If you ever feel bad for buying basically anything just remember the 27k usd star citizen dlc

[@vegan-vrking9565]

Definition of a fanboy

[@mattvmalone]

That you don't have to buy.

[@ManuelKoegler]

EMPLAYS cult member spotted

[@M3A7]

@@ManuelKoegler Just remember, you can always spend $100,000 to get all the unlockables in Transformers the mobile game! Just remember, single case hardened blue gems have already sold for $100,000+ in CSGO! Lol, you people beyond fucking stupid. Some people actually have a lot more money than time, and they can spend their money however the fuck they want.

[@M3A7]

I just looked at the most expensive CS go skins currently on the market. You could buy 12 of those skins for $27k. OH NOOOES STAR CITIZEN BADDDDDD. Looked up the most expensive SCGO skins of all time and there were case hardened blue gems that have sold for $100,000+. OH NOESSS STAR CITIZEN RIPS PEOPLE OFFSSSS DERRRRRRRR! Fucking moron.

[@jasonthacker2912]

Lest we forget: The CEO himself just said, in a live video, that the game is in "Early Stages of development." After six years.

[@NewtNewt117]

Not defending the game just gonna say the reason they have spent so long doing fuck all is because they went with the cry engine, a engine that they have spent the entire time fighting because instead of using an engine that would work for their game they chose one based on how good it is at making pretty looking visuals.

[@mitchellhorton9382]

It's almost like Roberts has no idea what he's doing

[@TOBI10795]

do People realize most triple A game takes 4-6 Years in development ? The difference here is that Cloud Imperium announced Star Citizen really early while most games like Fallout, Far Cry, blah blah. Also, they switched Engine, which takes a lot of resource importing and migrating assets.

[@vitorleite3095]

xt0bix They want to make Star Citizen the new Half Life 3

[@mitchellhorton9382]

Yeah if Valve was selling guns for HL3 for $100 dollars lol

[@warhawk638]

2.5k people wasted their life savings on Star Citizen.

[@M3A7]

And only 43 million US citizens did that same thing with college, but you are still too stupid to call that a scam. Lawl

[@M3A7]

@hwhehe hehehe Oh look, someone who is going to be paying for a piece of paper for 30 years. Nice!

[@M3A7]

@The Beast So, I have more played time in SC than Witcher III, Skyrim and fallout 4 combined and I paid less for SC than any of those on their own. Who is the pathetic one again? Talk shit all you want, I've been having a blast. P.S. College is still a scam.

[@mkgzt]

@@M3A7 and I have more played time on STALKER than on SC. Therefore STALKER is a much better and superior game than SC. I went to college, got my bachelor's and paid off my debts in 3 years. Derp

[@M3A7]

@@mkgzt You want me to believe you paid over $30k a year to pay it off in 3 years? Either that or you paid $10k for your whole college education. Yeah, ok dude.

[@charlesbeavers9771]

I've paid more for this game then any other game in history. I have also given up on this game years ago.

[@MrCharly780]

Can I ask for a sum if possible?

[@rjnash2610]

$3.50

[@Migalhas21]

"Well it was about dat time I noticed this game wuz 80 stories tall and a crustacean from the paleolithic era..."

[@M3A7]

@@RandomNameLastName811 You don't have $40 worth of games in your steam library?

[@M3A7]

@@RandomNameLastName811 You obviously don't if that was an attempt at a joke.

[@SteaknCheeese]

I backed Star Citizen years ago. Little did I know at the time that I was actually buying a present for my son who was not even conceived at the time. By the time the game comes out he will be able to play it with all his school friends. Great!

[@ConsciousnessisRough]

You mean grandson, don't you?

[@SteaknCheeese]

I don't think you can get a refund now? It's against the updated terms and conditions.

[@klesk4never]

I was so afraid I wouldn't be able to run this game on my PC. But I'm fairly confident my son will be able to play it on his smartphone :)

[@brandonHines76]

I truly want this game to come out... you saying this, actually puts it in perspective how damn long ago I gave them a ton of money :( hopefully they suddenly kick it into high gear.

[@BruisedASScheeks]

@Ben Bostrom, wow! how thoughtful of you.

[@snakeboss3020]

Star Citizen isn't pay to win .... Its Pay to Pay

[@fmartingorb]

You are Pay to loose :)

[@sand4684]

Francisco Martin how much did you pay in order to feel like you needed to reply to every single negative comment?

[@frealms]

Gotta keep pushing boundaries in the gaming industry, man!

[@CaptainTittus]

Matthew Hernandez so what got deleted?

[@frankieb9444]

Francisco Martin SC must be such a fun game that you would rather be doing something else, like responding to every comment to this video.

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

Star Citizen, or as I like to call it: "what would happen if a AAA company unironically tried Valve's approach to video game development?".

[@themagictheatre2965]

Yeah except that Half-Life: Alyx is a thing now and it is actually going to come out very soon.

[@joeltarnabene5026]

Valve are professionals. That's the difference. They like to innovate but the scope of their game is seldom that large. They keep it focused and polished. Valve also uses a flat hierarchy with collaborations, the polar opposite of Roberts micro managing approach.

[@M3A7]

@@joeltarnabene5026 Lo fucking L, What games are you even talking about? They haven't released a new game in over a decade! They just take money for games that will never be finished, cuts of micro transactions and every once in a while they release a game that is actually complete from real companies. Fucking tardism.

[@joeltarnabene5026]

@@M3A7 that's not true. Nice try, though.

[@M3A7]

@@joeltarnabene5026 That is 100% true, wtf are you even talking about!? They what, made a new half life because people weren't buying Valve VR anymore? Please, wake up and smell reality.

[@reiko57]

i was single when star citizen was announced and i'm about to have kid #2, could have been cool though.

[@strategygalactic]

it takes 9 months to make a fully developed baby. not saying much

[@Kalyptic]

I was Engaged, broke up with her, found a new girl....currently single and don't give a fck anymore :(

[@More_Row]

I’m still single all these years, lol ;(

[@tigris5553]

lucky you! Hope your kids get to play the game someday

[@M3A7]

I was 13 when Star Craft came out. Oh wait, I thought we were giving random mile stones and sharing useless personal information. I misunderstood.

[@Shenaldrac]

"I don't want to build a game, I want to built a universe." Problem is Chrissy boy, that all the people who backed this wanted a video game. Not a nebulous concept with no defined end-state. There's plenty of Steam early access games if they wanted that.

[@SeekerLancer]

Two years later I can't imagine they can keep pulling this for much longer. Even their Reddit is doom and gloom. This is going to end in cancellation and a class action lawsuit.

[@Ciowan]

Got into a HUGE argument with a friend a good 5 or 6 years ago about this game, which I was absolutely stoked for. Freaking stoked. But they weren't getting a dime from me, and my friend thought I was the worst person ever for not supporting them. I had to explain to him: look man, this is simple economics. This is either an investment, or a donation. If it's a donation, then there's no further discussion. You donate without an expectation of return, and to someone in need. In this case, there are more worthy and needful people and causes. Therefore, donation is out. So it's an investment. And as an investment, then it might be one of the worst investments of all time. That's why they had to crowdfund it instead of doing the normal thing entrepreneurs do... you know, go to banks to get loans, pitch concepts and products to prospective buyers/investors and then deliver your concept/project and reward your investor's faith with a decent rate of return. So we know why they didn't do the traditional route right? Of course. There has been no return. Any investor would be in several tens of millions of dollars more than half a decade later with no prospective return on the horizon. And the prospect is even WORSE for a crowdfunding investor -- or 'backer' as it were. Not only did you give your hard earned money, but you have no stock, ownership, market share, or any other form of reciprocation for your invested capital, whether that be ten dollars or ten thousand. You literally gain the supposition of digital media with no monetary value whatsoever. So as I said, worst investment ever. Economics 101.

[@JohnStephenWeck]

All investments take time to do, sometimes lots of time. The payback in this case is the fun of playing a game I genuinely enjoy. Not all your investments pay back in money... ;)

[@VivianAckers]

@@JohnStephenWeck time is money, and a good time is equal to a good amount of money. If the game fails, and trust me it will, you won't get a good time. It's a gamble more than anything else.

[@JohnStephenWeck]

all investments have risk.

[@VivianAckers]

@@JohnStephenWeck investments are made based on information provided that shows it likely to pay off. Gambles are not.

[@JohnStephenWeck]

"Gamble" is not my word for it.

[@GT-wj3gl]

So its development is like Yandere Simulator's but on a larger scale. Got it.

[@Tamaki742]

YanSim is probably just a little bit worse because the dev and the game are incompetent overall, and the supporters are mostly kids with no sense of understanding for money.

[@robertcapestany6019]

Both are quite frankly, massive shitshows in their own rights. I personally consider both equally horrible just for different reasons.

[@elda7153]

Except yandere sim is now finished

[@mortemtyrannus8813]

@@elda7153 Is it? Last I checked, only the first rival was finished, and that was only because people finally woke up to YanDev's bullshit and stopped funding the game.

[@Sandact6]

lol look at the like/dislike ratio of this video. Just goes to show how quickly Star Citizen cultists try to defend their game from any criticism.

[@Demicleas]

What was it like before the great purge?

[@Rickbearcat]

Dislikes? What are dislikes? I don't see any dislikes.

[@kayrosis5523]

My own prediction: Star Citizen will be transfered to a different company and be a rather insignificant game in its genre by the time it comes out as its more defining design features/ambitions not-yet-done will be cut, and what remains is a game that would have wowed in 2012...just not so much in 2022. And it will probably be overshadowed by a game the world doesn't even know about yet, though may or may not already be in development *cough* ;) *cough* A not insignificant number of original backers will have had so many life changes that the game no longer has any place in their life because they're no longer in college, have had kids and started families, have different careers, or straight up died having long since written off their pledges as a bad investment. And the "true believers" will either be foaming at the mouth in anger or despair at the waves of weaksause lapping against their expectations.

[@Mr.Gnomebody]

Bruh, that last sentence read like an epic poem.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

No company is going to buy this hot mess. This game will remain in development hell until the fans stop funding its development. Strapped for cash, Roberts will throw some shit together and call it a finished product in a last ditch effort to raise funds. It will be pure shit. I got nothing against star citizen, I hope it turns out to be the greatest game ever made. But realistically, I don't see any other possible outcome.

[@ravenvalentine4919]

oh how wrong were you ha ?

[@M3A7]

Then you realize that Cyberpunk started development when Star Citizen did, it's a single player game and still isn't out either. People are straight stupid.

[@eazyv2069]

@@M3A7 Sorry what? That's wrong. Cyberpunk was announced in 2013. Yeah, sure, the concept probably vaguely existed two years before when Star Citizen started development, but you're kind of leaving out a massively fucking critical detail. CD Projekt Red developed and released The Witcher 3 in 2015. They released Blood & Wine, capable of being a game on its own, in 2016. That's not to mention Hearts of Stone. Cyberpunk didn't enter into legitimate, serious development until after Witcher 3 was out. Those development cycles aren't comparable and you're taking the piss if you think they are.

[@WyrmLimion]

This video aged so well cause even as we approach 2021, its still accurate!

[@SpoopySquid]

More than half way through 2021 and it still checks out

[@SpardasTechReviews]

Just starting 2022.... Yup still the same

[@masterofthelag8414]

2023 and running strong...

[@king_big_pp]

I had to pause when you called Lord of War the "only good Nicolas Cage movie" How dare you? *How dare you!?*

[@inthefade]

I guess he hasn't seen Vampire's Kiss!

[@reptilespantoso]

Mandy

[@CompleteNewbie]

Yeah. That movie was pooh. I don't think that whoever wrote the script had ever even seen a women, even from a distance.

[@luigimaster111]

Face/Off is clearly the best Nick Cage movie.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

Right? In a world where Wickerman exists.

[@zozihn8047]

I bought-in to Star Citizen in either 2020 or 2021, joined a Discord, and tried the game. I ended up refunding it, blocking the person I met, and leaving their Discord server. It is, hands down, the worst feeling I've ever experienced insofar as being burned by a game, and I've bought into games that were abandoned and shut down by the devs in Early Access. There's this disturbing level of copium and wishful thinking mixed with a strange elitism surrounding Star Citizen. I was told that I just needed to keep trying, that it's in alpha so they just need time to iron-out all the issues. "People don't understand what a true alpha is". I understand that if you're gonna sell your game it should be stable. As a baseline. You get your systems stable, then you add more. It's like modding. You don't add 250 mods off the Nexus without testing a single one and expect everything to work perfectly. Ignoring all the performance issues I experienced, as if my 5600XT was integrated graphics, I got into my first ship. I climbed a ladder and killed my "friend" through collision. He was pissed off and told me I needed to learn the game. No. The game is garbage. I then fell through the ship and into the space station. The game is a failed-project walking simulator, not a space-sim. It feels like a AAA backed bottom of the barrel asset flip you get for under $1 on Steam. Ah, and when I first woke up in the game I got to the elevator and there was no elevator. Apparently this "happens" when there is an event. The servers simply cannot handle the strain. Then why the fuck is there an event? I was told it was "stress testing". There's this really bad-aftertaste experience of learning that the fans you meet aren't capable of being objective about the game and its development. Or that you, as a consumer, who was promised a "fun" experience gets told you just aren't rich enough to play their amazing space sim that will never release. Games have been developed, lived, and died on the development cycle of SC. And many more will do so. Save yourself the headache, avoid this game.

[@RuSosan]

The whole remaining SC fanbase is in a seriously cult-like cycle of sunk-cost fallacy, denial, gaslighting and lies. More often than not accompanied by mental abuse, ridicule and ostracization towards anyone who questions their faith. Especially so from within.

[@isaac6077]

Its and nft scam game before they ever existed. Truely ahead of their time

[@alansmithee2012]

What will finish first, Yandere Simulator or Star Citizen?

[@SpoxVoreTail]

It is March 29, 2021. Star Citizen is still stuck in hell and Elite Dangerous: Odyssey just entered Alpha. Elite is gonna be closer to what Star Citizen was said it was gonna be and it just boggles my mind.

[@hooter0055]

Star citizen never said it was going to be boring...

[@SpoopySquid]

@@hooter0055 a game can't be boring if it never releases

[@hooter0055]

@@SpoopySquid it's also not a game during deployment so why compare a boring game with one in development anyways?

[@hooter0055]

@@SpoopySquid Not to mention, the Star Citizen community is growing and dedicated. How long until EDO dissolves completely? It won't even be boring after it dies 🤣

[@isaac6077]

@@hooter0055wild that u shill for this scam in every comment section

[@bigpapa4755]

This video was 2 years ago and the game is in the same exact shape

[@crozraven]

To me, Star Citizen is a "game" that specifically design for the "whale" gamers, then taking it up to the notch to extreme.

[@ravenvalentine4919]

by what aspect is it that ? all you need is 45 dollars to play it , its still in production which is still less time then any other AAA title , and no content is being held behind a pay wall , so what do you need whaling for ? you make no sense

[@mercenum5186]

Absolutely is a whale game. And also a game that brings in PC elitists

[@alessandrolira4035]

@@ravenvalentine4919 to buy the $15000 ships. And with the game being an mmo, whaling for other sevices in inevitable

[@DimitriFilichkin]

"The only good Nicholas Cage movie." You get a thumbs down just for that, he has no bad movies. You mean to say the only serious Nicholas Cage movie.

[@axios4702]

Cyberpunk 2077 came out before Star Citizen did.

[@LoneWolf-vu6qy]

Didn't CP2077 kinda poke fun at SC?

[@louissteyn6871]

There is a thing yahtzee croshaw once said: "the worst thing that you can do to an artist is tell them their work is perfect when it is not" starbase is suffering from this big time

[@bloodglacier]

Its sad that 3 years later and this is still relevant. and likely will be for a further 10.

[@lennyztrobos8678]

In ten years Chris Roberts will be 64. At some point he will retire. That will be interesting to see.

[@maxwellsdem0n]

Hi there, I'm from the future. In fact its almost 2022 and the game is still in Alpha.

[@delmonti]

This is what happens when you hand over the cash before there's a product.

[@ThreesixnineGF]

Never done that, never will! See you in 2020... meanwhile I'm enjoying Elite Dangerous and plan to finally buy No Man's Sky cause it's a playable game now.

[@Feezwa]

I get ton of fun out of No Man's Sky. Just bought it recently on -50% off from Steam.

[@jmchdjaimerporkpuedolol3681]

Only bought into SC when 2.0 realeased with something barely playable. Have been having fun ever since!

[@Dumb-Comment]

So you're saying SC is dead and nothing new will release by CIG? That's exactly what SHOULD happen with ANY crowd founding projects

[@Dumb-Comment]

H3XER yea also they are not only making the game content, they are pioneering the industry, if you could not see it, look at Intel and AMD, they are cooperating with CIG right now, they are pushing every aspect of their technology. The problem does not exist, CIG will not fail, no , it CAN NOT fail. They are making new things, the level is just way beyond other upcoming titles, if the players are no longer interested in it, the investors are still going to pile their money into developing new tech People who compare this game over others are just pathetic, this Chinese is opinionated, just what you need to gain attention and view, look at the comment section, it's a cluster fuck

[@firstnamelastname-ev4oy]

i like how 90% of the points in star citizen's defense in these comments is "u didn't do ur reserch!!!!! citizen marine!?1? what u takl about!?!?!? dis gam is very good!!! i wait 6 year and just now get minimal amount of gameplay but oh yes very good!"

[@vegan-vrking9565]

And i heard ppl spent 27,000 dollars on starcitizen PRE dlc smfh

[@ThePkmage]

@@vegan-vrking9565 tbf there is the euro truck sim has a dlc worth more than that.

[@themagictheatre2965]

@@ThePkmage But this is pre-order DLC, and you're talking about normal DLC for a real game that actually exists.

[@adamofblastworks1517]

"Booti, blease blae DMC2!!! Is best gaem"

[@BryanELx]

By the time this game will be finished, the engine it's built on will be old.

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

Cryengine *is* old lmao

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

WAIT NVM I'M DUMB it is based heavily on cryengine though

[@NRD_Gamer1024]

This was posted two years ago it is now 2020 leading into 2021 and not even an inch closer

[@Aboveup]

Feature Creep: The Movie - The Game - The Novel - The Video Summary

[@CharlatanWonder]

I'm still holding out for the nextflix adaptation too.

[@stew360]

Star citizen isnt a " feature creep " its exactly what most have pledge for at least a vast majority of backers who submited design ideas and request in the first year of the after the original kickstarter , also the kickstarter wasnt Ultra specifics on what the mechancics of the game would be , all that was announced was it was going to be a first person highly details game with Sq42 campaign and Star citizen Persistant Univers ... thats said 2013 was pre production stuff fleshing out the very basics of the game , hirering peoples etc.. And asking backers on the website and original kickstarter backer what they truely wanted CIG to deliver ... peoples ask for boarding , Fps combat , for planetery exploration etc.. and these things were suposed to be added later on with DLC updates and stuff ... but CR hire many Ex crytek guys who convince him that it was better to flesh out all the tech requires instead of trying to do things the wrong way and then compleatly have to redo everything and change the game dramastically ... So they choose the aproach of building it the best way possible instead of trying to put it out fast and ruin the reputation of the game ... So since then they made Insane progress , they build insane amount of assets , mechanics , Ships , and remeber that all of this is reusable and is done the right way ... they build procedural and modular system with all the pieces they create with many variations to flesh out the world ... they created biome , planets , moons , asteroids , asteroids base , No loading screen seamless advanture when your in the actual PU and that on the fidelity level of Crysis 3 and more ... etc..etc..etc.. The list of all the things they have done is way to huge to even describe it and put a shadow over any other games ... the thing is that they cannot release it Now because there is still way much more to be done and its not a bad thing ... next years they will probably end up in Beta and SQ42 as chance to be released wich does not require the same network support that the PU require wich does not only hit network but also performance of the clients ... Star marine or arena comander run 10 time better than the PU and a single player version of the PU would allow you to run it at more than 60fps easy and even better with Nvidia drivers optimisation etc.. The reality is those " hit piece " agains star citizen are laughable and done by either ignorant or impacient peoples ..... Star citizen as you call it " feature creep " is the game i pledge for and is the game i want to be deliver ... I dont wish SC will have a launch like Nomansky with 1/10 of the features peoples were expecting ... NMS is totally procedurally generated wich help a lot in the amount of work require to deliver it . while SC is handcrafted with procedural tech to complement the artist work wich is very different ... well

[@riptors9777]

@stew300 whatever makes you sleep at night knowing that youre fueling one of the worst directors/devs in history. Not because his ideas are crap per say... but because he has no idea how to run a fucking business or even run a project.

[@riptors9777]

"Feature creep the flamethrower!"

[@MajorTomgames]

lol

[@themecoptera9258]

Checking in in 2022, is it still in development?

[@wotwott2319]

"The game coming out in 2020 was often a joke back in the day" It is 2021 and the game still hasn't come out yet..

[@thematic3893]

2022 😛

[@ThePolistiren]

@@thematic3893 2023

[@countphil1]

2024

[@beaners1234life]

The fact that Cyberpunk 2077 was announced the SAME YEAR (2012) as Star Citizen and is scheduled to release this year (2020) is alarming... And it only cost CDProjectRED $14 million more than Star Citizen’s budget.

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

What's even worse is that the whole "they had to make their own engine from scratch" applies even for CDPR since they admitted that the tech they had for Witcher 3 had to be heavily modified since CP2077 has so many mechanics and features that were not supported by Red Engine. SC is just extremely poorly managed. By the time it actually comes out, their tech and engine will be outdated and their game will be mediocre.

[@beaners1234life]

My own comment didn’t age too well...

[@Donnerbalken28]

Star Citizen's biggest problem now is that No Man's Sky exists, which does everything SC potentially offers, and actually released.

[@NormalPersonCommenting]

NMS isn't a space sim, but we have ED and X4, plus tons of indy and smaller AA titles (Evochron, Spaceborne, etc)

[@nibelsnarf4302]

I’m 11 minutes in and I’m already questioning why the devs didn’t just focus on the stretch goals in order and then made a list of user requests and ideas to tackle one at a time when they have a stable, competent game to sell to people.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Chris Roberts picked pretty graphics over an engine that was built from the ground up to support the sheer complexity of his promises.

[@jessISaRicePrincess]

the kickstarter got to successful the money coming is to much to ignore so they promise more stuff for more funding rinse and repeat until feature creep and the amount of work brings the development to a snails pace

[@ashmitpattnayak8060]

In the distant future, when this game does get released, it's gonna be a historical simulator.

[@theraccoon6644]

Played the 3.6.1 version and lost all hope. The ideas are so great but it's just a buggy unplayable game. 8 years of development and the navigation system is the worst i've ever seen. Star citizen to be the new no man sky. What a disappointment!

[@Rifky809]

Hey, at least no man's sky got better over time

[@jessISaRicePrincess]

no man's sky is just released to early now no man's sky is good dare i say very good

[@Pawelec801]

They are just waiting for affordable high performance computers able to handle this game... give it 20-30 more yrs

[@janbonte6422]

Are we 20 years later already? Cuz my pc handles this game eeeaaasy

[@rindeldonnet7356]

Dont give them that much credit

[@vegan-vrking9565]

PCMUTRACE for the win tho

[@danielklimchuk5213]

@@janbonte6422 Scam Shitizen

[@Holret]

you are so full of shit. They are waiting for people to upgrade their PCs? this game has been in development for almost 8 years!!! how fucking gullible can you be!?

[@theodorixjohnson4336]

With games like EVA online and elite dangerous…. I really wonder if there’s a place for star citizen at all

[@ChristianRaps]

This video still holds up almost 2 years later. Literally every thing is still broken and menus still suck.

[@Fulgrim88]

To be fair: "Shootermode" was a goal all along. They wanted a "first person universe" where you could switch from piloting a ship to actually running around in the bigger ones. Which is pretty cool. *The* *real* *cardinal* *sin* *of* *Star* *Citizen, was* *the* *addition* *of* *procedural* *planets*. This is when things really blew out of proportion. As long as it was a pure space game, their goals were somewhat within reason. Space itself is barely a texture and requires almost no dev time at all. Which allows you to focus on ships and some nifty gimmicks alongside them (like being able to leave your seat and walk around). Like in most space games, "planets" would only feature as a couple levels separated from space by a loading screen. Easy peasy. However, with the addition of planets, they now have to deal with* Filling them with content. Which, despite what everyone will tell you about the wonders "procedural technology" is far, far from easy. Especially if you don't want it to become soulcrushingly repetitive.* This includes whole new planetary levels, building types, AI behavior, mechanics (like the train system) etc etc. * Figuring out planetary physics, day night cycles, biomes- Ground Vehicles (and assorted gameplay and physics)* Biomes (believable simulating hundreds of alien worlds)*- Accurate distances in space. Remember how I told you space was easy? Well it is unless you decide to put in realistically sized fucking planets for some reason. Essentially, for the past 2 years(!) they have sunk most of their development time into bringing us a couple of barren moons. And the saddest part of it that even despite the monumental effort they are putting into this (and arguably some interesting results) the end result will very likely *still* be soulcrushingly boring. Who on earth wants to ride an ingame train for 20minutes just so he can have a procedural city rather than the regular handcrafted level every other game has? And this isn't even beginning to mention the actual hub worlds, like Terra or Earth, will hundreds of thousands of cities. Hell will freeze over twice before they can even begin to hope to craft this. Even with procedural tech. Edit: KZbin screws with formatting. Sorry

[@jordanward-allen4019]

Dont think you understand how the cities work. They aren't procedural, the planet landscapes are. Hurston is entirely handcrafted.

[@MrInkblots]

Then it would take even longer. He's referencing ArcCorp though, which is a procedurally generated city-planet. What will they do with Earth, procedurally generate every town and city on Earth, or handcraft each one? Sure, they will likely make it you can only visit designated areas on Earth, but that won't apply to most planets and moons if it doesnt apply to ArcCorp or Hurston. Making the locations will probably take at least two years in and of itself.

[@jordanward-allen4019]

I dont understand either of your points. You name something that is time consuming but a necessity to complete a functional game. I dont think it's surprising that the first planet they are making is a polluted planet with only 1 major city, to get a feel for how the game will be, show the art style, begin building the necessary features but without having to create a planet wide city. What is wrong with the game completed with all it's major features and developed relatively smaller planets/spacestations/moons then after release work on the BIG planets?

[@MrInkblots]

ArcCorp is already done by the way, which is a planet wide city. Not sure if I got that across. There wouldn't be anything wrong with starting with a smaller galaxy, but CIG seems to intend to release SC with all planets, moons, and space stations featured in the Star Map completed and explorable. How long is that supposed to take?

[@Fulgrim88]

"Hurston is entirely handcrafted" That's factually wrong. Hurston, like Arccorp, is mostly procedually generated, with a select few areas that you can enter. If you think that all those buildings are functional and enterable, it is you who does not understand their development process (or basic math, for that matter) Handcrafting a city the size of Houston would take *years* and go well beyond the scope of AAA games like GTA V (and even they model only a handful of interiors). And that's just one city. On one planet. Eventually they want to bring us planets like Terra and earth, which in real life have THOUSANDS of cities and tens of thousands of villages. They already talk about no fly zones as a means to shepherd you away from the 95% of the city that is just a texture, and the more populated planets become the more they will have to rely on that, because filling it with content (even procedurally) will take a lifetime.

[@KuraIthys]

I in fact, DO know a decent amount about game development, at least, on an independent level. And 3 years ago I had no concerns whatsoever about Star Citizen, but in it's current state I have to ask, what are they doing? Too much time is spent trying to keep backers 'happy' with stupid things, not enough goes into core feature set. And I'm not talking bugs, or graphical glitches. Hah. No. That's what you fix in BETA (remember Beta? The thing 'early access' has conditioned people to somehow start calling 'Alpha' instead, where 'Beta' is now really just a release candidate with a few of the loose ends not quite tied up properly?) What I mean is, where are the core systems? OK, so it's not like none of them exist, but you NEED these systems to work before you can create content around them. There's no point building a mining ship if the programming and game logic for mining is missing. If you build one anyway, you're going to have to rebuild it when you finalise the systems. This issue is all over the place. Why are there dozens of flyable ships, yet every single one of them is missing supposed internal systems/gameplay features/whatever. You have to build your features first! The core features! Content and UI is the LOWEST priority stuff, yet that's most of what they've apparently done. In order, you have to establish roughly this to make a game work. (assuming a multiplayer online mmo-like thing as star citizen has become that is) Some very basic features have multiple layers that you can implement in stages (for instance being able to handle keyboard input at all is more fundamental that supporting key rebinding.) Granted, in a modern context some of these you get from using a pre-existing game engine. (though if you start needing to heavily customise that engine...) 1. Core engine - OS/hardware interfacing, memory management, file handling, graphics routines, input handling. 2. Peripheral engine features - Sound, networking. Advanced resource management features, scripting support... 2a (for mmo type games) Server side infrastructure and support programs. 3. Fundamental game logic and core systems. (eg being able to move ships and characters around, interacting with things, etc. - how extensive this needs to be depends on what the game needs to be able to do). Some of this may require construction of test content, but generally that test content is extremely rough and unpolished - it exists to test how the systems should work and IF they work, not to impress anyone. 4. Extended logic, minor systems, minigames, basic UI behaviour etc. 5. Content; Ships, locations, environments, missions, extended UI, etc. 6. Bugfixing, performance optimisation. (yes. Really this is the VERY last part, and for good reason.) Now, you can start partially implementing 5 as you go, but the more you do so without locking down 3 (and 4 if the specific content in any way depends on or interacts with the features yet to be implemented), the more you end up doing redundant work that has to be redone. And redone again. And again, and again... Why? Because it's built on top of something undefined, and thus you don't know what the missing pieces are going to look like, because they don't exist yet! Thus, inevitably, you end up having to rebuild things constantly to get them to work as intended... Same with fixing bugs prematurely if they are part of incomplete systems; Unless they literally break the code, or would create a mess down the line, fixing them when the system they're part of is not even fully implemented doesn't do much. It may fix itself. You may (or more likely will) introduce a dozen different other problems that come and go as the system changes... Problem I see with star Citizen is it does WAAAY too much of 5 and 6, (especially 5), and nowhere near enough of the earlier stuff. And unsurprisingly they keep having to redo stuff they already did because of it. Because of course they do, because the didn't design it right the first time. (how could they when they didn't know what they needed it to be, because they hadn't got a reliable definition of what that was?) So... Yeah... I'm not holding my breath, honestly.

[@angryvaginasfromspace7718]

Dude, thanks for your esse. You have layed up some basics and summed up my thoughts simultaniously. Like really, WTF? How can you fix bugs when you DONT HAVE A FUCKING GAME TO BEGIN WITH. Content like ships is not as bad, as they are mostly models/concepts, it can be integrated in a way, even if the engine changes internally. But polishing a gam.... a thing, that is really a few unfinished modules with laughable content density just scattered all over the place... fucking why?

[@Geolas88]

There are so many ships with not all of their features intact, because as you have noted yourself, people are getting impatient and they wanted to allow the players to play something, or at least some part of what they played for. If they would have done it the way you suggested, which is the right way, with a kickstarter project where the development is public, the screeching would be even louder because I can assure you, there would be nothing to play by now, as the development of major systems is still not finished. Im confident that it will work out in the end, and the release schedule has already gotten much faster.

[@Choice777]

it's a fucking scam ! Star SCAM citizen !

[@KuraIthys]

That's indeed what I thought 3 years ago.. If they had been doing this the way this is SUPPOSED to be done, the complaints would've been even louder. The problem is, what they've done in an effort to keep people happy slows down development and actually makes it less likely they'll get the job done. Plus, it means a lot of redundant effort, having to implement and re-implement partial features constantly. Will they get it done? Maybe. But what they've been doing really is way off target from what they SHOULD have been doing. And it's hurting them, almost certainly. Probably not as much as it might appear at the surface (because you can't for instance get your 3d modellers to do programming, thus if you're paying them they may as well do something - but really you probably shouldn't have hired so many of them so early on. ) We'll see how well they untangle this mess they've made for themselves... But it IS a mess, that much is certain.

[@leodouskyron5671]

I also worked in the game industry and you are being real. I may have a small issue with the tone but the issues in the video and as you are discussing are real. At the moment, the fans of the game are voting with there wallets to have this game as it is to keep that dream and not to have a solid product. They are not demanding a complete product with drop dead dates. Crowds have problems with those and that is what seems to be sorely needed!

[@DarthRavan2012]

Back in 2014 the Developers said "Consoles "couldn't possibly handle" Star Citizen" but by the time they get this out of Alpha, Beta the PlayStation 5/Xbox 2/720 will be out and they will for sure be able to run the Game. I can already see it happening with them coming up with some kind of excuse about delaying the Game further for a PS5/X2/720 Port with Crossplay delaying the Game futher to maybe even at the end Cycle for the "Next Gen".

[@thepoliticalstartrek]

Roberts got fired from Freelancer due to him falling into a feature creep hell hole.

[@luckyqualmi]

Please provide a single prove for this statement. I'm waiting... well, I guess I can wait as long as I want to, since he never got fired from Freelancer.

[@ivankraljevic1]

Ehm yes.Microsoft bought his bancrupt studio and fired him asap.

[@Gallyga]

Microsoft took over Digital Anvil that was well behind schedule on a game meant to be released 3 years before it actually came out. Soon after the takeover Chris Roberts "left" his own company, a company making his dream game. He was employed as a "consultant" to the project. After he left, features were massively cut back and eventually the game released in 2003 (development began in 1997). He left, but I think it's safe to say him staying on in his full time capacity was not an option to secure the buyout funding.

[@SaltyCuntno1]

Mr Pink he was removed from the project when microsoft bought out his studio

[@wingler000]

Carter Baker just

[@OmnipotentGoggles]

Will Framerate Tanks be an eventual feature in Citizen Marine?

[@CharlatanWonder]

Yeah. They're going to add in a class system with frame rate tanks, screen tearing DPS, and fatal error clerics.

[@D.Dragon]

Not enough people will play Tech Support though, so the system will be unbalanced.

[@EricWilliamsCG]

What is Citizen Marine, are you talking about Star Marine?

[@mikehanagan7849]

Citizen Marine! it is both Squadron 42 AND Star Marine. He refers to both with the same name.

[@JimFaindel]

Holy crap, Star Citizen was the origin of the nft bro culture all along.

[@willd7596]

This is why developers have corporate business leadership.

[@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00]

Rabid Star Citizen True Believers be like: "Buyer's Remorse? What's that?"

[@saber2802]

Buyers remorse is very strong. Now Imagine an entire community on it.

[@Anriru]

You can already see some comments of people defending the game like mad Example: Francisco Martin guy thats replying to a LOT of commets saying how wrong they are

[@saber2802]

Don't we all?

[@stephenlee1664]

Zone Tan i see you are a man of culture. In my opinion if the rail jack update for warframe comes out successfully and delivers on its hype then warframe will essentially shit all over starcitizen as not only can you fly a battleship in space you can also use a space jetpack to kill enemy droneships, fight off invading enemies inside of your own shop, manage ship energy, and have a space pirate battle while also being able to build your ship through farming resources with your clan for free.

[@Anriru]

Not sure why mention warframe right now cause we don't have railjack YET and it won't be on the same scale as start citizen / elite dangerous game would be. But honestly if it works out, we are more likely to see everything star citizen is trying to achieve but in warframe in next few years. While SC will be still in fkin alpha probably-

[@Ingmatter]

I don't think Warframe will ever deliver the experience that games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous want to deliver. But I do think DE is so allergic to the status quo that they just might attempt to do so if you keep dropping these ideas. Lord help us if the Tau system becomes that, Sentients are gonna get big so I guess we'll need ships and other equipment to fight them.

[@Nidhoggrr]

dam $200 million in ship sales alone for a game that in almost 6 years has not even released a functional beta of a game yet.

[@doodguytheblank2403]

You’d think they were selling real ships.

[@Nidhoggrr]

@@doodguytheblank2403 Considering many of those packs they sell cost as much or more than really nice houses yea.

[@galloviking4766]

If I ever go whaling, I'll call my ship Star Citizen.

[@Bluecho4]

"Behold my whaling ship, the SS Loot Box."

[@galloviking4766]

@@Bluecho4 A ship so good at its job, you don't have to do anything as the whales will just come over on their one.

[@Armymedic1975]

I am also a backer and yes I am HIGHLY critical of SC and the Cult Of Roberts. They released that vertical slice of SQ42(which is why I decided to back in the first place couldnt give a shit about the PU)I think that they would go a long way to actually reassuring people if they were to take that vertical slice and actually make it PLAYABLE by their backers. Im sorry a non playable vertical slice of SUPPOSED actual game play does not fill many of us with confidence.

[@fmartingorb]

You just described half of E3

[@mitchellhorton9382]

Thanks for admitting CIG Is no better than EA Francisco.

[@Mania3c]

exactly, same tricks, same lies. No difference.

[@Rickbearcat]

@54:00 I can't believe that you missed the biggest exuse of them all..."You don't understand games development!!!" How could you have missed that one?

[@ianmaluk1]

I remember a developer who said, "No one understands games development. One minute, you've spent two years on a project only for it to get canned: then the next, you finish a game that was only in development for two months. It's both maddening and stressful."

[@Rickbearcat]

In the case of Star Citizen, I think we are clearly dealing with the former statement. Which is why people in the community who side with Star Citizen use it so much on those who protest the length of development on the game. For such a long video to have not included this statement (as a knock to SC) is either incompetence or was deliberately left out of the narrative.

[@reeven1721]

@ianmaluk1 But that's what actual developers (programmers, artists, producers, directors, community managers, etc) mean when they say "You don't understand games development": software R&D is not a goddamn assembly line. The muggles just don't get that. No project to implement novel design or tech ever goes according to plan. Ever. Things you had planned a certain amount of time/resources to do are actually harder because of unforeseen roadblocks, so you need to get additional funds or cut scope elsewhere. Or the client/community/executives asks for an additional "really important" feature (or you yourself suggest it), so you get additional funds or cut scope elsewhere. Or something you had planned to be difficult turns out to be done in half the time, so you add scope elsewhere or set aside contingency money. Or there's human drama so you need to divert executive and/or marketing time to manage it. And so on. Managing a large scale project can be like steering a car down hill with nothing but a hand brake. Muggles don't get that. At the end they're happy they got the product they wanted and they have no idea what happened in the black box that made it. The unique thing about Star Citizen is that we get to peer inside the black box, and the guts are ugly. Welcome to software development. It's both maddening and stressful. I do it for a living. I wouldn't trade it for the world, but hell am I glad I get two weeks vacation next week.

[@b.heaven9234]

Reeven - I can't speak for a games development perspective, but I can speak on a software development one. In terms of project management, Star Citizen isn't looking too great. While we can all appreciate the features being added, Feature / scope creep is a legitimate problem of this game. Many bad projects I saw come from people injecting more ideas they want to see in the game to the point that they're missing out on key deadlines. Project managers are there to draw the line when it comes to feasible releases. It is good that they have scheduled alpha releases throughout the years, but to some people (among them disgruntled backers) it's going a bit too slow for their liking. In the end, how much more money and time do they need? Is ~190 million more than enough? Or does it barely scratch the surface? How about the 4 year development? They can't really tell that they "should take as much time and money as they need to deliver the best game possible" if backers slowly lose interest and their money pool stop growing. When that time comes, they will have no choice but to cut scope because the "getting additional funds" option would no longer be available.

[@fmartingorb]

Tell me how do you setup a sprint? and what makes a task approved? Let me see if you get it

[@GENKI_INU]

Here's an interesting thought: If Star Citizen releases in 2025, using simple math and world statistics, nearly 100,000 of the current 2,200,000 backers will no longer be alive to play the game that they backed...

[@dominicgunderson]

What kind of math is that?

[@nomad5544]

@@dominicgunderson I guess he's assuming some enterprising 80 year olds or average North Koreans invested in this game?

[@NineSun001]

​@@nomad5544 If he takes the demographics of Germany (22.35 % are 65 or above) there are 491,700 people aged 65 or above. 65 and above has a mean mortality rate of 6056 deaths per 100k people. So counting from today: ~500k elderly backers 30k of them die per year (6k * 5) which results in 150k dead backers by 2025. Damn I thought his number was exxagerated as fuck but he is quite right. Of Course the demographics are not comparable (Germany and People who bought SC), but yes the dead bakers should be in the thousands by the games "Release"

[@rwentfordable]

There's already a Rykers Memorial in the game in memory of a fan who passed in 2018. I doubt his family got a refund.

[@GENKI_INU]

@@NineSun001 I used the "Crude Death-Rate" US statistics for the calculation, which says around 830 people in a population of 100,000 die each year across all ages, of both natural and unnatural causes (disease, accidents, ect.). 800 x 20 = 16,000 deaths per year in a backer population of just 2,000,000. Backer project started in 2012. 16,000 x 10 = 160,000 backer deaths even with a 2022 Star Citizen release. Of course these numbers are skewed because the 2.2 million backers didn't ALL jump on during 2012, but you get the idea. Which is why I estimated ~100,000 deaths might be more reasonable.

[@scottcomber]

Its me from the future. Star citizen is still not out :)

[@TheNab89]

Sad part is that this video is still 100% relevant here in 2021. I'm convinced this is a ponzi scheme.

[@THRAKORZOD]

Lol elite dangerous is doing what star citizen still hasn't done

[@hooter0055]

Not really though. Boring combat, boring spaceships. It's going to be lifeless and repetative. Every station will look the same, NPCs will all look and sound the same. Missions all the exact same. I bet it will be fun for a few days, just like the current ED.

[@pyro111100]

This game is a really good case study for everyone who whines about how devs are put in crunch time or that games aren't going balls to the wall creatively. We can see both ends of the extremes. SC is where there are no restrictions, therefore everything is restricted because nothing is finished. On the other end everything is... sometimes finished, but it's boring, flat, the same-old thing from generations before. There seem to be so few studios that can actually strike a balance between creative freedom and authority restricting that freedom for the betterment of the whole game. SC is so focused on making sure that if your character could take a dump that you could basically SMELL that shit that they forgot to make something basic such as walking not killing you out of nowhere.

[@isaac6077]

As the years go by this game just seems like an nft scam before ntfs were really a thing

[@schiltz371]

in the back of my mind I kept thinking from start till now, why haven't they perfected/worked out the bugs in the core game before they keep adding all these new options. every vid ive ever saw is full of glitches doing just basic things like flight, or walking around the ship. instead of working those out, all I hear about is all these new wonderful things they want to do when the foundation seems like it's constructed out of sand next to the ocean. it's what has kept me from dropping a single dime on this project

[@mercenum5186]

pete that's what I'm always saying also. Why didn't they just make a really good flight model make sure to core was nice and polished and ran real good and it was fun to fly spaceship than they could sell whatever they wanted

[@MapleLeafAce]

Merc Enum agreed. Even now they still aren’t ironed out their core gameplay, or even added things that the game needs to actually function with a core gameplay loop. Instead all I ever hear is about how they added ten new feature-complete ships and vehicles and added another city to the game. Meanwhile elevators don’t work properly, collision is still buggy (which is a cornerstone of a game even functioning), mission systems are still half broken, and the only system they have out of the dozens they said they were gonna have isn’t even finished yet. Yet new vehicles and cosmetics keep releasing all on-time.

[@noobtube7344]

Having played the game, It's a lot less glitchy than you'd expect. It's still alpha, but it's playable. Most of the server related bugs are about to disappear with the 3.8 patch, which is going to be released in a few weeks. I'd recommend checking out the game during one of the free fly events.

[@noobtube7344]

​@@MapleLeafAce >Instead all I ever hear is about how they added ten new feature-complete ships and vehicles and added another city to the game. So you're complaining about the space sim game adding space ships and places to land. I don't see what the problem with this is >Meanwhile elevators don’t work properly I've played SC for dozens of hours and never had this happen >collision is still buggy This is due to issues with the servers, which are receiving a fix with the new SSOCS system >mission systems are still half broken Again not had issues with this. >and the only star system they have out of the dozens they said they were gonna have isn’t even finished yet. They reworked every single planet for the upcoming patch in the span of less than 2 months. Once they get in Stanton, they can use it as a template for the rest of the universe.

[@sanctun-3782]

This video is ageing like wine. SC is ageing like dairy.

[@sourceholec621]

Chris Roberts' name is often associated with Freelancer, but in reality his only credit in the game is a shared one for "original concept." I replayed it recently and that really stuck out.

[@nighttrain1236]

Yeah Microsoft kicked him out of the project to salvage it.

[@skycap3081]

Wing commander.

[@tunnar79]

Problem is that Wing Commander hasn't been relevant in nigh two decades.

[@kombatwombat6579]

2023. Still nope.

[@viewofascene]

Over the years I've seen easily HUNDREDS of job listings from Cloud Imperium Games UK office. I've never connected the dots until now.

[@cyborgvampirebell3059]

Funny thing. June 2019 and still nothing but a terrible frame rate P.O.S. GAME...…….!!!!!!!!

[@NineSun001]

Here I come, the year is 2020 and boy this game still has nothing to offer.

[@andreiiiksavvv6054]

@@FatfighterXD1 the story mode. I think

[@pixelsafoison]

Sooo ... A soldier that is in a life/death situation has a 55 average BPM ... So REALISTIC.

[@drunksupportcharacter]

The upkeep for this game could not even be viable if it were released as a $60 or $70 game, it would basically need to be a an MMO with a subscription.

[@mmamackela284]

pretty sure that the game will come out, but when it does, its graphics will be compared to N64 and everyone will laugh that it doesn't have full body vr support. The people who supported it will get heart attacks in their retirement homes, when they find out that the 10k ships they bought are complete scrap now

[@zeroperator]

No Man's Sky 2 without the redemption ark.

[@joab757]

No Mans Sky is so damn good now!! But if Star Citizen were smart, they’d ask someone to step in and help set some guidelines.

[@mercenum5186]

No Man's Sky is even better today! Star Citizen should get Hello Games to finish both games

[@DepressedCrow]

@@mercenum5186 NMS was only bad at the start because of a rocky launch due to a series of unfortunate events, now I really enjoy flying around planets fucking around and just generally doing nothing in particular

[@tritonneptune3834]

I don't blame the devolpers tbh. If random people started paying me thousands of dollars for something that is not released, not playable and not functioning, I'll give those idiots whatever they want.

[@vegan-vrking9565]

PCMUTRACE knows what they want tho

[@handsomebrick]

Instead of "give those idiots whatever they want" I think you meant to say "tell those idiots whatever they want to hear."

[@Dj.MODÆO]

That’s not the situation, however.....before these idiots started throwing money at them for unflyable ships, they had already made a deal with the Kickstarter backers.......In effect what they did was take a date to prom, convinced them to pay for the tux, the dress, and everything else, and then immediately dumped them the moment they entered the scene and took off in the first dates car with someone else. 7 years later everyone is wondering why the jilted date still hasn’t reported the car stolen, but the jilted lover still defends the scum bag, because they were so in love with the idea of what what could have been, that they try and explain to everyone that it was all a misunderstanding and they will bring the car back any moment, and gets angry at anyone who tries to point out what actually happened. That’s the Star citizen scandal in a nutshell.

[@mkgzt]

Exactly. What incentive do they have to finish a game if they're receiving money for a pre-alpha? Lol

[@DaSackBoy]

Reporting from 2021: Still no Squadron 42 beta, I graduated college- I was in my second year of highschool when the project started- and STILL NO SALVAGING GAMEPLAY.

[@sorrysipofwater624]

So... you said in this over 2 year old video that 2020 was an optimistic release Well 2021 will be here in 3 months and they are promising to give us a road map to the road map The insanity of Star Citizen is easy to see when you see videos from YEARS ago talking about how its taking forever, and then you realize it's not any closer to completion now!

[@rwentfordable]

Salvaging and refuelling was in a 'reverse the verse' video 3 years ago. Not mentioned again until 202 and they say it's in early stages! And what's the point of refuelling in a game with one system?

[@captainseyepatch3879]

I've been saying for years now that this game is vaporware. I want the game to come out and be good... But it's not going to.

[@blitz8425]

How do you know that? Based on what exactly?

[@danielklimchuk5213]

@@blitz8425 Logic and common sense.

[@blitz8425]

@@danielklimchuk5213 no no no. Offer something tangible, or piss off. You don't get to abdicate a burden of proof because you think you're smart.

[@danielklimchuk5213]

@@blitz8425 8 years of development, yet all you have is barely a skeleton of a game - but fanboys like you throw money at the game (over $300,000,000 now) in hopes of it becoming something great. The team is trying to make an "everything game", making the scope so large it's beyond impossible. The game is still in alpha, yet you can buy packages for $28,000 which consist of content that doesn't even exist. CIG sneakily changed the terms and conditions for it's own benefit, remember that? How many times has the release date been postponed? Remember when the amount of planned systems shrunk from 100 to 5? If they continue at this rate, the release date is a long way away. If you seriously think the team will speed up development, you are wrong - they are quite happy being stuck in "early development" getting free money from idiots. As I said, logic and common sense; something that you will never have.

[@blitz8425]

@@danielklimchuk5213 oh 8 years of development? You're right that is unusual. Except it's not. For massive triple A games, that's still several years short of a longer development cycle. Cyberpunk 2077 started development several months before star citizen, at least that's when they announced it, and it's only coming out next year. That's a fully functioning development team and it took them 9 years to deliver their game. Duke nukem forever, 14 years, diablo 3, 11 years, shenmue, 12 years, ellie dangerous 17 YEARS. All ignoring the fact that CIG ASKED their community if they wanted them to expand the original scope of the game, which we said yes to, so they essentially reset development. They ASKED. In reality it's only been properly in development for about 5-6 years, and 100 star systems is still the plan, just not at launch because again, that "100 at launch) was before planets were more than glorified landing zones. But go on, keep regurgitating whatever garbage some KZbin troll told you. As usual, you have about 25% of the facts.

[@Cyynapse]

i was 10 when the kickstarter started. im now a freshman in college

[@lordfriedrick7911]

One game that i still use to compare Star citizen to others is Stardew Valley... For those who don't know, Stardew valley has been *ENTIRELY* developed; music, coding, art and so on, by only one guy called Eric Barone (alias ConcernedApe) and he did all the game in 7 years (to be precise 2012 - 2019) I had to bring up the correct info from the wiki for this comment

[@youtubescroller350]

Imagine being 20 when you paid for this game, now you are 30 and have no time for this game and it's still not out yet. Worse yet. Imagine being 60 when you bought this game now you're dead when it's released

[@grayaj23]

You know a game is dead when Derek Smart gets involved.

[@petrapatia6395]

Oh nono! error about Star Marine: The game mode that's currently available is NOT the version made by Illphonic (the sonic boom people) CIG gave up trying to port that build, threw EVERYTHING they did into the garbage (levels, code, models, mechanic concepts) and just hastily threw their own build together from the ground up. This was because they had failed to keep Illphonic up to date on CIG's own in house engine modifications, so Illphonic wound up basing everything they did on wildly different, outdated specifications, which again, was something that CIG were supposed to have kept them up to date on. Understandable oversight but try try not to throw so much shade on the sonic boom people because after all, they've shipped a triple-A title, and buggy as it was, that alone is literally 100% more games than CIG. kudos on the video regardless.

[@btoiscool]

It wasn't just CIG's fault about dimension changes, Illphonic's build just ran like dogshit.

[@EvidenceFragmentary]

You should also point out how their build was trash lol

[@petrapatia6395]

Looks like a shitty reskin, sure. But it's a shipped title which looks to be working as intended.

[@Kanakotka]

The Star Marine bit was indeed a massive error in judgment. They commissioned an outside team to work on a module when they had comparatively small amount in backing, assuming they had peaked around 6-7 million in backing. They however made a deal, and no matter what that deal had to be kept. What they received was at that point so incompatible it was less work to reverse engineer it and push in the mechanics developed by the other team, than try to port it successfully, and even then it was a horrendously buggy mess that ran at 30FPS at most on a beast of a machine. The mechanics you see, such as bleedout et.c. are by the Illphonic team; the mechanical function of star marine is their work, even if the code isn't.

[@strategystuff5080]

35:27 As to why big companies spread there offices, its not just tax incentives, its also dev availability. There is a limit to the amount of skilled labor each city or region can give you. If you want 50 3D model makers in A specific region of the UK, its gonna be a challenge, because that is a large demand, that may not always be supplied

[@astrocat2913]

Wish I could get my money back. Such a waste of time.

[@noaha6185]

4 years later and its still not fully out 😅

[@vishishify]

Years from now star citizen will be a fantastic case study for how far the sunken cost fallacy will take a person

[@yuriythebest]

I think, there will be documentaries on star citizen along with psyhology books about it before it comes out