Has the Atlantic AMOC system ALREADY started to collapse??

[@aoc8548]

Knowing exactly when the AMOC will collapse doesn't seem to be the most important information. The fact that it will collapse and the effects of that should be our main concern. It's like driving a car towards a cliff edge and refusing to stop until someone can show us the exact time we will go over the edge.

[@MrKorton]

Nahhh won't collapse... just alarmist Rahmstorf scaring us 😊

[@TheDanEdwards]

​@@MrKorton Hardly. It's not just Rahmstorf. And the AMOC does not have to "collapse", even just slowing down will lead to big changes.

[@Xiph1980]

MrKorton what a moronic remark.

[@christianfaust5141]

Excellent comparison with the driving car example, I absolutely agree.

[@jebes909090]

If it collapses then global warming solved and then it will uncollapse because of the build up of ice again 🙃

[@ravensdotter6843]

The author Kurt Vonnegut said it best: "we'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it isn't cost effective".

[@harrynac6017]

Humanity's famous last words: This is bad for the economy

[@justinheitzman9188]

Ah yes the capitalist trying to make all the money, are the problem. Lol. I think it has more to do with countries with near zero regulation on emissions. But our little country killing our economy is going to offset a country 10x +/- our country mass polluting on all levels. Yeah bad USA, BAD WESTERN COUNTRIES. LMFAO

[@justinheitzman9188]

Leftist famous last words. Right wingers are Nazi's, racist, anti climate change, anti vax and everything is their fault

[@GrayHand-jz6ie]

One of my favorite authors and one of the great minds of the 20th century. Truly under appreciated.

[@MyKharli]

@@GrayHand-jz6ie So it goes.

[@dorothymoller566]

I’m a native Californian who left my home state nearly 15 years ago after becoming exhausted by the drought and fires. I’ve bounced around the US and a couple of other countries since. Nearly everywhere is the same. And, for the last couple of years my work has had me in Texas where the climate is already truly unbearable. I don’t understand what people are missing. My sense is that we have already passed a tipping point. It’s absolutely horrifying and heartbreaking.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Yeah I'm from Texas. We're toast. Go sub.

[@StarBitt97]

I’m from TX - have MS and a really bad heat sensitivity- so because Texas has gotten even hotter, we moved to Colorado and people told me to move at 8,000 ft. or higher…so we live right at 8,000 ft. In south central Colorado. Turns out we are of course still dealing with the issues with smoke from forest fires from Colorado to California to Canada. I also don’t understand what people are missing.

[@lyndafjellman3315]

They don't see because they don't want to see. It is so much nicer to just believe what the (non-scientific)politicians tell you. (Drill baby drill, that'll fix everything)

[@alphared4655]

Texas is a desert. It always has been. No one ever lived there until the Europeans because it’s too hot

[@vivalaleta]

I'm a fourth generation Californian who left decades ago from the drought and fires back then but also the logging and the rapid growth. Anyway here in Minnesota there's no droughts, forest fires are very rare, the temps are bearable. So it's not everywhere. Make better choices.

[@archiox0628]

I inherited our childhood home in the Philippines. When I was a kid, flooding was never a thing in our part of the country. In 2009, a "once in a decade" flooding happened when Typhoon Ketsana came. The next time such a level of flooding happened was 4 years ago due to Typhoon Vamco. Just a few months ago in late August 2024, heavy flooding happened in Metro Manila due to heavy rains. It wasnt even a Typhoon but the water was about the same height. The gap of time in which this level of disaster happens gets tighter as years go. I sometimes think that living in this planet has become unfair for a developing country like ours. Decades ago, countries like the US has pumped up carbon emissions to better their country, while ours today will be scrutinized if we do the same. Worse, it's countries like ours that suffer more from Climate change, and get stumped with economic progress because we have to allot funds on recovery. Developed nations on the other hand have systems already put in place that allows them to recover easily from such disasters.

[@teresadicarlo8908]

@@archiox0628 If western world countries have developed first and made mistakes why don’t you learn from them, instead of wanting to copy them?

[@pauldonvito6169]

​@@teresadicarlo8908 economic viability. Tech/logistics required out of reach

[@calysagora3615]

"The gap of time in which this level of disaster happens gets tighter as years go." FALSE! This is not true, and has been debunked many times. IPCC reports that there has been ZERO increase in frequency or severity of extreme weather events in the last 50 years. You are simply describing normal natural weather variations. "Worse, it's countries like ours that suffer more from Climate change" WHAT climate change? IPCC reports also shows that there has been ZERO measurable increase in temperature for the last 7-8 years globally, from any measuring method. You are all simply getting mass brainwashed by sensationalist media and money.grabbing politicians.

[@pitdusk8]

​@@teresadicarlo8908well because the other countries want to become "developed" too.

[@dantangelo]

@@archiox0628 What about China and their emissions? They wont stop anything. Why? Cuz they know emissions arent doing the most effect. It is natural solar cycles. Look up Mylenkovich cycles. Im not saying prepare. But being unrealistic about the reasons for warming wont help anyone prepare Ps edit Milankovitch cycles eccentricity, obliquity, and precession. These global warming "climatologists" are grifters. Paid to shame the west into destroying our economies and divest from energy priorities.

[@snowstrobe]

Dave, you structure these talks in a very engaging way, thx.

[@rossmcleod7983]

Weirdly, saving the planet hasn’t been considered to be cost effective.

[@chesterfinecat7588]

Weirdly “green” solar plants kill wildlife that survived 10,000 years here.

[@MyrKnof]

the people with money dont care, because they wont be around to see the really bad consequences, or they're rich enough to just move to somewhere nice. You could say norway should have some interest in spending that cache of theirs, but they're already effectively an EV only country with hydro power, most they can domestically is to stop producing oil.

[@robinbrisebois8142]

Why did Noah build an Ark when he could have just paid more taxes to stop climate change!

[@terencefield3204]

@@robinbrisebois8142 not tax deductible

[@Berend-ov8of]

That's because depending of what it is you're trying to save, it either can't be done, or it can't be done fast enough. Besides, the planet itself will most likely survive anything we threw at it, if that made any conclusive difference at all, but we poor humans might go extinct in the process. Successfully preventing that extinction may be a more realistic goal than pretending to be able to slow down, stop or even reverse any cataclismic process. Just to point at something randomly, you need to understand that while we were merely fearing a nuclear exchange, the environment never noticed a difference between that threat of actual bombing, and the ongoing releases due to testing, leaking, dumping, repurposing and even a few quite serious accidents. And that is far from the only issue we're not globally aware of. Even all those ignorant climate crisis denyers will rapidly change their attitude to hoping that it actually was us that caused all the problems, because the climate is undeniably changing (ask anyone over fifty), and if it wasn't us that caused it, the chances that we can do anything at all to "save the planet" as you call it, are non existent to begin with.

[@munchingsquirrel5067]

Not mentioned in this video but elsewhere is the fact that the AMOC shutdown will lead to much less CO2 being drawn out of the atmosphere and into the deep ocean. CO2 levels will then increase much more quickly.

[@Hope_Boat]

Good news for the plans who are starving.

[@crazyjay6331]

Have you ever stopped and thought why glasshouses are heated and have elevated Co2 levels? 🤦‍♂️

[@Demopans5990]

​@@crazyjay6331 Only for C4 photosynthetic plants. So say goodbye to most of the fruits you would ever eat

[@crazyjay6331]

@@Demopans5990 the change is plenty slow enough for them to adapt, they did it before and they can do it again.

[@crazyjay6331]

@@Demopans5990 it's plenty slow enough for them to adapt, their ancestors were perfectly fine with it.

[@marcodipietro8835]

I really think AMOC collapsing should be on the News much much more as many people have no clue of what it is or how serious it is. We have all heard the classic "temperatures rising" way too much

[@pilkipilki4472]

Do you think we can stop it

[@WondersWhy]

if it were common knowledge, what would societies be like? Better to distract people with trump's antics.

[@hannahpapernick-yudin2846]

Yes, there does need to be more education than "hotter planet = hotter weather". That type of generalization is harmful because then people will think that cooler weather indicates it isn't happening or not as bad.

[@marcodipietro8835]

@@pilkipilki4472I don’t think so, honestly, first tell people to stop wars and then we’ll get somewhere

[@marcodipietro8835]

@@hannahpapernick-yudin2846ye that’s why scientists prefer calling it climate change

[@robertgold2643]

Your demeanor and breadth and focus on difficult and complex issues like this is much appreciated 🙏

[@joehopfield]

Superb episode, perfect short form interview on an incredibly complex topic.

[@JanjayTrollface]

For a many years now when climate change comes up in conversation, I've slowed giving my input almost to a stop in most situations. When asked my opinion, especially by those who expect me to have something to say about it, I've started telling them this: I think we're doomed, even were we collectively smart enough to do something about it, we may have missed that boat. Go home and tell your children you love them, just not as much as our lifestyles.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

Jesus. What response does that tend to get?

[@brucebr1037]

@@howtoappearincompletely9739 Likely disbelief and denial.

[@VeritasIncrebresco]

Yes, our lifestyles will change. The best thing to do is be prepared, and you won't be doomed.

[@LandscaperGarry]

Fair point...

[@loungelizard3922]

@@VeritasIncrebresco How can you prepare for breadbasket collapse and 8 billion hungry humans with nothing to lose?

[@tylerharden5680]

AMOCalypse now. I want that T-shirt for the next AAG climatology meeting!

[@jollyjokress3852]

AMOCalypse, I might steal that

[@melusine826]

Excellent hashtag! Let's make it happen #AMOCalypse

[@RedSinter]

😂😂😂

[@RedSinter]

Gallows Humor at it's Best...

[@sidviscous5959]

it has truly run AMOC!

[@trygvehadland9560]

It's a bit strange, here in Norway where I live, the last three years have been different, the summers in the south have become colder and wetter, but in the north the summers have become hotter and drier.... The average temperature was over one degree higher in Kirkenes (furthest to the north) than it was in Stavanger (southwest region) this year and the trend seems to continue.... Winters are slowly getting colder in the south and milder and more unstable in the north..... I think something drastic has happened 2-3 years ago. Before that, southern Norway was on its way to getting warmer.......

[@a.randomjack6661]

That's a rather small country. Still amazing to see 2 very different impacts.

[@kaylaburgess6042]

Honga tonga eruption in the ocean... Look into it.

[@jaykanta4326]

@@kaylaburgess6042 Derpa derpa cite the effing research.

[@trygvehadland9560]

@@a.randomjack6661 it corresponds to a weaker AMOC or worse.... It's a bit scary, and I think this is happening much faster than expected....

[@trygvehadland9560]

@@kaylaburgess6042 I don't think it matters that much... Honga Tonga is on the other side of the world....

[@MichaelKing-bv4tv]

Did my dissertation on the AMOC a few years ago... moved away from climatology field but have been keeping up to date with the science of the North Atlantic. The papers of the last year or so are certainly alarming. I think whilst efforts to decarbonise continue, there needs to be a more serious conversation about some geoengineering interventions now. The AMOC is known as 'the mother of all tipping points' and if this shuts down, managing all the other tipping elements and avoid escalating all the way to a hot house earth state, would become very tricky. I'd suggest that sociologists and political scientists also need to get their heads more in the game of understanding how humanity will continue to deal with all of this alongside a societal collapse and within failed states, which is looking like an inevitability. Whose going to keep decommissioning all the nuclear power stations left lying around etc. ...all lovely and bleak. Happy Sunday eve!

[@TheDanEdwards]

"geoengineering interventions now. "

[@whatthebeepvideos]

If we need geoengineering now, it's already too late.

[@sarahb.6475]

And what happens if Campi Flagrei goes off as well, on top of this problem with the AMOC? There is much concern about Campi. They are even doing practice evacuation of the Naples area, in case.... 😮

[@AlfaStation1]

​@@sarahb.6475Good point. The same can be said about the 200+ volcanos underneath the Antarctic ice sheet. Decrompression due to rappid melting of the ice could make them errupt. Then there is Yellowstone that is long overdue also!

[@tims9434]

Geoengineering happens already and is definitely making analysis of weather more random than useful.

[@danmoore393]

the more I learn them more I'm convinced we are in real trouble. So depressing.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Had eco-anxiety from 2016 to 2018 When facing a stressing event, we can react in 3 ways: fight, flee, submit. Feels like I've been going though all 3 over and over, sometimes in the same 24 hrs. Being a fatalist, a bit of a stoic seasoned with irony and cynicism allowed me... We are all different and we differ from what we think we are many times a day. Prof Robert Sapolsky clarifies a lot of things about ourselves. It helps to understand. Well, it helps me anyhoo ☮

[@calysagora3615]

No, but rather the more you get propagandized and gaslit. If you actually learn about the topic and read the actual reports, you would laugh at all the silly fear-mongering nonsense from sensationalist media, money grabbing politicians and self-serving pseudo-scientists.

[@MrAdopado]

Best video intro ever!! The Rudyard Kipling paraphrasing had me in fits! I'll now take a breath and watch the rest of it ... 😃

[@user-tx2nv1rb9k]

a- It is not the Kipling quote that is paraphrased, you should check the original, this one confounds the meaning of the original... b- “If you can keep your head when all about are losing theirs, you simply do not understand the situation” IS WRONG! Someone was always meant to keep their head together despite the direness of any situation to guide the rest of the people who have lost their heads, forward, otherwise (as an example) the human race would have dissapeared long ago! The fact that it isn't, refutes this expression! Not all of us were build to freak out any chance we get...

[@MrAdopado]

@@user-tx2nv1rb9k Ha ha ... the reason that it's funny is because it confounds the original! That's humour for you ... some people get it and some people don't!

[@stringlarson1247]

Ya haft say it like Dennis Hopper in the movie.

[@arleneallen8809]

One of the harder parts of this research and discussion is the nature of academic conservatism. Regardless of one's results, there is a pressure to hew towards the mean. Careers can be cut short by any publication that resembles alarmism even when that might be what's needed to get recognition of the problem. I have personally found IPCC to be similar to the various UN agencies which can't quite bring themselves to certain realities until those become a slap on the face. The WHO struggled to admit there was such a thing as airborne viral transmission. The IEA seems incapable of projecting a reasonable energy profile. If the IMF chooses to help a struggling country, you bet that those people are likely doomed. On and on. I am forced to assume they try, but their record does not impress.

[@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062]

Yeah

[@krulerwest-oz7364]

IMF does have somewhat of a poor record I agree, but by the same token there is an element of tough love intervention applied to the nation in trouble, Greece is doing a lot better now, but they spent to many years arguing and fighting the IMF in stead of knuckling down and resolving their issues. Either way no one likes it when someone turns up to your house and tells you every aspect of your life is poorly managed, so they are never going to win any popularity awards. I also note after a bit of research 2 of the IMF's greatest OMG what are they doing events were actually down to the nation being assisted doing some down right shady and stupid stuff, of which Greece only slightly tried to do some shady and stupid stuff.

[@alphared4655]

Lmao.

[@ruyan247]

I totally agree! I never hear anyone talk about climate change, it seems no politician talks about it either. Here in Germany there has been no measures taken to fight it. Not a single young person seems to protest because of it. Not even KZbin channels that play into the alarmism exist. Just imagine what kind of money they would make. And there is virtually no research being done as well. It's a disgrace when you consider that this is the first time in human history when we actually know what's going to happen in the future. The first time that we managed to find several different perfect models that we feed different perfect data and see different results, that all point to the same thing, almost as if some people with personal interests rigged it all. Of course that's what only nszies would say, I would never question the alarmism narrative! And yes, that airborne virus was devastating! Luckily we had the perfect "medicine" ready just in time and totally eradicated it. Maybe the WHO knew that and that's why they didn't lock people in their homes earlier. They do have scientists working for them... Lucky us!

[@Detached_Contemplation]

The scientist conservatism is trying to counter and contrast the deliberate alarmism of popular grifters, and the opportunists using climate change to justify their own particular policy change. The argument for policies reducing emissions would have been much more successful and sooner if public debate had stuck just to actual science.

[@briangarrow448]

I see Rene has a nice selection of alcoholic beverages on his wall shelf. I can fully understand why he would want that, considering the information that he is studying. Have a couple of strong ones for me, Rene!

[@jollyjokress3852]

at first glance I read your name as "bring an arrow"

[@slateslavens]

I noticed that myself. Black candles too. 👍

[@mv80401]

If people have a shelf like that they're fine, it's the content of the recycling bin that spells trouble.

[@RafaquaQuetta]

Rene is wild

[@cameronf3343]

In central Pennsylvania, our entire 10 day report is calling for highs anywhere from 17°C to 24°C. It is October 27th, I am almost 25 years old, and by now when I was a child we were already starting to have snow once or twice a week. When I was a kid, if we didn’t get a foot of snow by the end of November it was weird. When my parents were kids, my father and uncles built igloos in their driveway. And so did many others. Igloo brick making toys, similar to snowball making toys, were huge selling toys here. Now, we haven’t even gotten a whole foot of snow *combined* in the last 6 years. You have to add up all the yearly numbers over the past 7 years to reach 12.6 inches. I really wouldn’t be surprised if it’s already begun. I look at our weather compared to strict analysis of our climate over the past 200+ years and it’s simply not ok. I think these things claiming “it may collapse as late as 2093” are just myth to make people feel better. I have little doubt whatsoever that it’ll be completely on hiatus before 2040. And as a young adult I’m petrified for that.

[@TrickOrRetreat]

We don't get snow here in Denmark anymore. When it happens it melts instantly on the ground. So that can't be classified as snow.

[@carelgoodheir692]

Snow cover is one measure of climate change over the last 40 years that I can locally be quite sure of. Here on Skye in Scotland the Cuilins used to generally be snow covered for more of the Winter, and to lower down their slopes, than they generally are now. I can see that by looking southwards between November and May.

[@garysmith5025]

Similar in northern Scotland, up until the 1990's years ago we used to get snowed in a couple of times a year at sea level, it wasn't unusual to get drifts 8'-10' up the side of the house. More recently we had one event like that last winter, the first in over a decade. However it's summers that are more telling, they have got cooler, wetter and less sunny. This year we had one day over 20c, last year we got 3 days over 20c and in 2022 it was 7 days; historically it's been around 25 days.

[@tims9434]

You're still a child

[@garysmith5025]

@@tims9434 Doesn't that make his observations even more concerning?

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

People care more about the price of gas than the cost.

[@iThoughtyouweregonnalapme]

Blame your neoliberal capitalist governments, everyday people don’t set energy regulations and last I checked none of the politicians available to us seem to bring it up other than when they’re sucking each other off at g20 summits….we could have gotten rid of fossil fuels for renewable energy years ago, the problem is it’s not profitable and the US Dollar, at the moment the world’s largest trading currency, is a petrodollar thanks to deals it made in Middle Eastern countries, namely Saudi Arabia, shortly after World War Two. So the American dollar and economy are basically tied to oil and the rest of the world’s capitalist economy is currently tied to it as well. Because the rich have sought short term small party profit over efficiency of civilization and humanity as a whole. So we’re heading straightforward into oblivion so a handful of mostly American/Euro assholes could imperializse the world through economic colonialism and live in relative luxury for a couple hundred years while the rest of us have been scooping their shit the whole time and forever it would seem

[@brucejankowitz4501]

the oceans must be considered if we honestly care about life on this planet, after all the oceans cover over 70% of the earth. A great point was that recent events are an indication of how poorly we can cope with slight climate change.

[@autohmae]

The way we are fishing in international waters...? My guess is we don't care much if at all.

[@luipaardprint]

Yeah it seems the majority doesn’t care about humans.

[@ingridgilbert4917]

Plus they are the beginning of the "food chain". I don't consider nature to be just resources but for those that can only see things in human terms...

[@bur_n_t]

we don't even care about ourselves. it's pathetic. i feel so bad for everything that's unfortunate enough to have been born at the same time as the idiots in charge and the idiots who defend them.

[@MarcoNierop]

Absolutely terrifying what is coming for us here in the Northwest of Europe... I will probably dead and burried when it starts to cause massive people movements to more bearable places.. My house in The Netherlands is about 2 meters below sea level, the water management companies keeping our feet dry for a couple hundred years now, but when the ocean rises 2-3 meters, I don't know if they still can manage...I think the dunes that protect us from the North sea, are not high enough. This means millions of people living here need to move elsewhere Minus 10 in winter and 40+ in summer will be devastating for our agriculture sector, The Netherlands probably will not remain the second highest exporter of veggies and fruit in the world.. The more you think about it, the more terrifying it gets!

[@mentality-monster]

Yep. I'll be moving to higher ground once/if I can afford to do so. The failure of capitalism is going to make the failure of Soviet style socialism look like a picnic.

[@GrandTerr]

Netherlands is not the second exporter of veggies and fruit, but agricultural overall. Plus dutch vegetables and fruit are more like cardboards, so idk if the count as veggies and fruit. Also your gloomy assumptions are way too gloomy

[@paulc6766]

@@GrandTerr Considering where he lives it's not gloomy at all.

[@assepa]

@@paulc6766yes it is. Netherlands is a wealthy country capable of dealing with many climate change effects. Other countries will have a much harder time. Climate refugees is probably a greater concern for the Dutch.

[@adriancioroianu1704]

what about the military aspect? if russia for example decides to strike the dykes that protect you from north sea waters, it could be a catastrophy too. i was just thinking about netherlands

[@hillockfarm8404]

On the rainbands mentioned. There was a paper and vid here on yt by paul beckwith about the atmospheric rivers (those rainbands) shifting 6 - 10 degrees latitude closer to the poles over the last 40 years.

[@d.Cog420]

He did one on the AMOC as well recently.

[@JanWebb-g6c]

We live about 40 miles inland in Central California. We've been here > 45 years. Winter 2018-2019 we received about 45" of rain. Normal rainfall for us is 15-17". Lake Tuolumne reappeared after many dry years. Canals burst and many areas flooded. We've now had several years wiithout frost. Our citrus trees love it and we're thinking of putting in some tropical trees. This may be a win for us. No telling what's causing it or how long it will last.

[@grindupBaker]

I'm not saying it is but a possibility is this because it was a very big deal. "Recent intensification of wind-driven circulation in the Pacific and the ongoing warming hiatus" Nature Climate Change 4, 222-227 (2014) doi:10.1038/nclimate2106 Received Published online 09 February 2014 Corrected online 14 February 2014 Matthew H. England, Shayne McGregor, Paul Spence, Gerald A. Meehl, Axel Timmermann, Wenju Cai, Alex Sen Gupta, Michael J. McPhaden, Ariaan Purich & Agus Santoso "Here we show that a pronounced strengthening in Pacific trade winds over the past two decades-unprecedented in observations/reanalysis data and not captured by climate models-is sufficient to account for the cooling of the tropical Pacific and a substantial slowdown in surface warming through increased subsurface ocean heat uptake." ---------------- It started 1995. By 2012 the tropical Pacific Ocean easterly wind was a massive 30% (1 metre / second) stronger than pre-1995. It might have ended circa 2016 (big El Nino), altering the climate of California from the prior 21 years. ---------------- Quote of 2014: "Atlantic warming turbocharges Pacific trade winds Date: rapid warming of the Atlantic Ocean, likely caused by global warming, has turbocharged Pacific Equatorial trade winds. Currently the winds are at a level never before seen on observed records, which extend back to the 1860s. The increase in these winds has caused eastern tropical Pacific cooling, amplified the Californian drought, accelerated sea level rise three times faster than the global average in the Western Pacific and has slowed the rise of global average surface temperatures since 2001" ---------------- Quote of 2014: "The record-breaking increase in Pacific Equatorial trade winds over the past 20 years had, until now, baffled researchers.... The solution was found in the rapid warming of the Atlantic Ocean basin, which has created unexpected pressure differences between the Atlantic and Pacific. ... high pressure zones in the upper atmosphere over that basin and low pressure zones close to the surface of the ocean,” says Professor Axel Timmermann ... Many climate models appear to have underestimated the magnitude of the coupling between the two ocean basins, which may explain why they struggled to produce the recent increase in Pacific Equatorial trade wind trends ... the researchers don’t expect the current pressure difference between the two ocean basins to last. When it does end, they expect to see some rapid changes” Professor England says"

[@Pohleece222]

And we have a Governor here in Florida that dismisses all of this science as the state is constantly battered by the effects of climate change.

[@willdeit6057]

You mean no different than history, you now have less tornado's storms etc..

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@willdeit6057 It's been having more storms of worse severity

[@trueriver1950]

The triumph of false hope over experience

[@mv80401]

Vote the fucker out!

[@maxmurphy7306]

MAGA FOR YO.

[@DSAK55]

Love the Kipling quote

[@davidwright7193]

It isn’t Kipling. It is a well known amusing epigram based on a couple of lines from If usually given as “If you can keep your head when all about are losing theirs, you simply do not understand the situation”. The original lines are “If you can keep your head when all about you, are losing theirs and blaming it on you”

[@user-tx2nv1rb9k]

​@@davidwright7193 Yes not to mention that; “If you can keep your head when all about are losing theirs, you simply do not understand the situation” IS WRONG! Someone was always meant to keep their head together despite the direness of the situation to guide the rest forward otherwise the human race would have dissapeared long ago! The fact that it isn't, refutes this silly expression

[@jnyc]

On Monday (Oct. 21), 44 oceanographers from 15 countries published an open letter calling for urgent action in the face of the weakening circulation. They warn that the risk of collapse has been "greatly underestimated" and will have "devastating and irreversible impacts" for the world.

[@weldonyoung1013]

Too bad they didn't have more funding to apply a larger field of instruments years ago. We might have had another year or two more warning.

[@patrickday4206]

It could be restarted but would be crazy expensive all of the European countries would have to be involved

[@Ukie88]

Of course ruzzia, ccpland China, Iran, North Korea, and most of the Middle East don’t seem to care to cooperate with the west on this for their ideological reasons.

[@Chrishelmuth1978]

​@patrickday4206 restarted? How? Do you understand the magnitude of the mass of water that is moved? It's far beyond human scale.

[@petewright4640]

There are three things diluting the northern North Atlantic; Greenland ice melt, increased precipitation at high latitudes and increasing input from rivers. Does anyone have a geo-engineering solution idea?🤔 Apart from drastically reducing GH gas emissions in the very near future that is.

[@fletches4084]

Humans don't handle change well. An example is the pandemic. A couple of years prior to COVID there were warnings that the planet was due another major outbreak. Some governments ran programs modelling the potential impacts which largely described events with a reasonable degree of accuracy. The modeling suggested some level of preparation could mitigate the worst effects of any potential outbreak.When a price was put on the preparations, because it was regarded as something that might never happen, the cost was deemed too high. There were also elements of fear-mongering and things reflecting badly on incumbent powers. End result? Nothing got done. No preparations were made. No proper planning or contingencies were in place. We got the 541t show that was covid-19. The AMOC collapse and indeed climate change handling generally is no different. Too many indefinites. Too many variables. No fixed dates for politicians to work to. We have stupid people in charge who generally lack the vision to contemplate futures beyond the end of next month's balance sheet or next year's election. In spite of an army of Cassandras prophesying our fate the response is either total inaction for fear of upsetting the lucrative status quo or a sudden drive to turn the impending disaster into a profit centre. We have thousands of years of history that show us preparing for catastrophe works out cheaper that actually dealing with when it happens, even it it doesn't happen. Often the simple act of preparing can be enough to avert the worst effects of said catastrophe. Scientists say climate change is a cause for concern and we should take steps to address it. What do politicians do? Start a bunch of wars and ignore the scientists. We really don't learn from our mistakes.

[@colinmacdonald5732]

Ever occur to you to that tens of thousands of well paid sinecures in the climate industrial complex depend on the continued AGW panic? Mostly for people too blazingly stupid to earn a decent living elsewhere.

[@1112viggo]

So, why are these so called "scientists" not down at the weapons lab serving their country with the others, instead of harming it by pushing this conspiratorial fear mongering right up to an election in the middle of our noble wars against evil and terrorism? Were is their sense of patriotism? They are probably pacifist commies on Putin's payroll😂

[@TrickOrRetreat]

Trump removed the pandemic response team 6 months before covid. Enough said

[@kenlen8029]

Good comment.

[@marclawyer2789]

Your example of Covid is actually quite a good one, as the 'outbreak' was a media/government Pandemic, not a viral one (see Diamond Princess) and all sorts of criminal acts were perpetrated on people (forced 'vaccination ', school closures, economic collapse etc) and all to save Grandma (a noble aim)... Climate is a long term trend and we STILL do not understand what is Human and what is the reaction to global/cosmic events and therefore assign to Humans what is likely natural. Destroying Western economies to 'save the planet', whilst doing nothing about China, India and Russia etc...is folly. CO2 is logarithmic, not exponential btw and don't forget we came from almost plant death levels of CO2 (

[@wombatillo]

If it's collapsing in under 20 years, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. People have been warning about things like this for 50 years and yet here we are.

[@joelsmith4394]

Nothing to stop it, maybe, but plenty to constructively prepare for it. And plenty to stop the headlong rush into this and other catastrophic changes.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

It does not matter whether it melts or not. I have extrapolated that we would have about 800 ppm CO2 in 2150. Humans will die out after that. Or we change ourselvces genetically. I think that is called Eugenic. Mengele statrted it in the gas chambers in Auschwitz. We see where that ended.

[@hime273]

​@@wolfgangpreier9160Why?

[@brucebr1037]

@@joelsmith4394 Mitigation is a pipe dream. In the US, we can't even decide to abandon coastal areas, like New Orleans, which mostly sits below sea level even now. We won't make the massive investment needed to address this, and even if we did so, it would take far too long.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@hime273 Why what? Why humans can not breathe air with more than 800 ppm permanently? Because that is the harsh reality. We all would need at least partial oxygen masks or we would have to change the human genome to accept more CO2 partial pressure in the air we breathe. Or why we have 800 ppm in 2150? Because the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere accelerates every year. And the CO2 sinks - forests, plants, sea water - takes less and less CO2 for each degree it gets warmer. In 2150 we will have roughly 800 ppm on the lower side and 2,5 - 3 degrees celsius plus compared to 1960. Of course we will also have about 2-3 billion less people but only here in the west. We all have of course a very simple way to circumvent all of this. Stop burning fossil fuel.

[@DanielDiazQuintero]

Unfortunately, until we face a global catastrophe like the one in the movie, no one is going to lift a finger; that's just how we humans are...

[@Mike80528]

As an individual, the only action you can take that matters is move your family to a region that will remain relatively stable, or at least remain in a range suitable for growing food as long as possible. Seriously. Food is going to get expensive, then very expensive, and then hard to find, and then there won't be enough no matter what anyone tries.

[@weldonyoung1013]

Sorry the government here in Canada started cutting down on the numbers that can immigrant. How do you feel about the ability to move around a large country like Russia? Is there anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere?

[@Mike80528]

@@weldonyoung1013 I am not an expert. I watch and read a lot of them but other than specific points or issues, I hesitate to claim any specific knowledge or to have any special insight . Honestly, there are so many variables. This video focuses on the AMOC, but a Blue Ocean event in the Arctic also has humanity-level impact. Each will drive different outcomes, and if both happen? There's also the potential for a methane bomb from undersea methane hydrates that hasn't gotten much press recently. There are others as well. Any of which could spell the end for all of us. So I really have really no clue...I picked the foot of the Rocky Mountains as my refuge. My family and children should be able to hold out here until the end. There's going to be a point where it won't matter. Unfortunately, it seems like that may be sooner rather than later.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@Mike80528 Would you mind explaining what a "Blue Ocean event" is, please?

[@jaykanta4326]

@@howtoappearincompletely9739 When passages are completely open through the Arctic. "A blue ocean event (BOE) is when the Arctic Ocean is essentially ice-free, meaning it has less than 1 million square kilometers of sea ice"

[@Fido-vm9zi]

You are thinking in terms of growing in traditional ways, and we can't think up or do anything else.

[@timan2039]

I have the feeling that everything will happen earlier than predicted.

[@laju6398]

I have a feeling that nothing ever happens.

[@Sensor-g7z]

Indeed. The hour is very very late. I can't recall the number of studies over the last decade that have some version of the phrase "Faster than expected" . I was just reading this 5 mins ago . *Why is it 80 degrees in November? Boston smashes temperature record amid unusual weather.* . “What is happening with the weather in Massachusetts? First it was the drought. Then came the wildfires. And now, we are smashing temperature records. In fact, we have set a new record high in each of the last three weeks.” . "Even more impressive, Wednesday's high of 82 degrees was the latest in the year the city has ever hit or surpassed the 80-degree mark. Therefore, it was also the warmest temperature ever recorded on Nov. 6 or any later date." . CBS news

[@martincotterill823]

Great video, Dave! I remember my Dad drolly laughing when he was 87 and saying he's glad he'll be dead soon, what with the mess we've made of the planet. Well he's 95 now and can barely remember one minute to the next. Maybe that's the best way to live our lives, enjoy the moment, it could be our last

[@az55544]

With the US election coming up and unseasonably warm days in Boston, I am savoring every moment of stability, freedom and that early setting sun with leaves floating in the air feeling.

[@AndrewWainwrightPA]

Dave this was excellent. You have a real gift for being able to read and understand the latest research articles and translate them into vids that make it clear what's going on without skipping the important details. Viz your question about sea levels. I'm looking forward to more of these. 💚

[@JustHaveaThink]

Cheers Andrew. Much appreciated

[@jontomassi]

Studying geoscientist here 🕺Private climate technology seems to be making leaps and bounds in areas that are experiencing climate change intensely. I’m based in South Florida and some of the stuff being scaled to commercialization right now is mind blowingly cool and impactful. The Biden-Harris TechHubs have been a great success, one of their few.

[@ianstewart7605]

Very strong view: Severe anxiety. I despair at our politicians (all parties) short term considerations.

[@rossmcleod7983]

All our leaders are inadequate to the task. Proliferation of nukes, wars, MAD and this devasting lack of consideration for AGW just proves the point.

[@unatwomey7112]

And very rich people who take massive risks and a disregard for consequences.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Changing the figure on a pirate ship won't achieve anything... That's what politicians are and that's what the Corporatocracy wants and does. For more short term profitability 🤑

[@michaeljames5936]

This is getting more and more like, 'Don't Look Up'. We need to get angry, really really angry, that a few dozens CEOS and politicians, stalled us long enough to make our doom, all but certain. We also need to take to the streets. It's the only ability to 'Lobby' our govt, we have; and it scares them.

[@gewitterhund3164]

"I want you to get mad"

[@charlieford5523]

The government in Australia is already making laws to punish anybody who dares to complain, The fossil fuel companies have so much power they are slowing and stopping any moves to cut emissions, the governments are already bought and paid for.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@gewitterhund3164 Many people are mad already. The people responsible have names and addresses. But police defunding after the BLM protests lasted barely a year. The powers that be are preparing for an uprising by militarizing the police.

[@SeataltBelten]

Ugh but I’m too sleepy 🥺

[@carelgoodheir692]

If only that was the only problem - but the underlying problem is that the vast majority are not willing to put up with reductions in their living standards (as they experience them, prices, jobs, etc) that would be inevitable if really effective measures got taken. To get political support technology will have to come along that allows action without much pain - but will it? And will people accept even a little pain? Pretty doubtful. A little inflation in the US and close to half are willing to vote in a side that promises to ignore AGW altogether.

[@jamesharkins6799]

Sometimes I get a little anxious about food security, then I remember that rich people are juicy and well marbled. Always makes me feel better somehow 🤔

[@pcoristi]

😂😂😂😂

[@katiekane5247]

Not to mention slow and completely without necessary skills of survival. They fear poverty and doing without, we're masters at it 😉

[@d.Cog420]

rofl

[@brucebr1037]

Which means that the 1% are safe, because they are *too* fatty.

[@caravanstuff2827]

Yes we can always eat the rich... image how many quarter pounders are in the CHUMPSTER!!!.🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔

[@Joss0051]

Many thanks for the hard work making this. All the best Joseph

[@zombi3lif3]

Superinteresting and super scary! Particularly as I live in Norway Thanks, for another great video, Dave

[@Sherkhan1962]

Not better for us down here in Brittany, facing straight the Atlantic ocean, like our celtic cousins in Ireland. I wish you the best.

[@zombi3lif3]

@@Sherkhan1962 😥 True.. Ireland temp change looked horrible

[@matthewbaynham6286]

On the positive side at least when you're in a pub having a beer with some Canadians they won't be able to complain so much about how bad their winters are if the UK is regularly having minus forty winters.

[@RubyTuesday878]

I gave up after bushfires in our 'unburnable' world heritage rainforest in Australia's Black Summer back in 2019/2020. I sat on my verandah, choking in the smoke haze, crying, knowing that ancient rainforest giants were burning only a few miles away. My despair took me to a dark, dark place and now I just shrug when climate change is raised. I know our leaders are unable to affect the change we need to save the environment and ourselves.

[@LK-jl3pc]

Dont shrug - VOTE

[@magesalmanac6424]

I remember seeing the photos from those fires, they were gut wrenching.

[@unutilisateur4729]

Drama queen

[@RubyTuesday878]

@@LK-jl3pc I'm Australian

[@RubyTuesday878]

@@magesalmanac6424 They surely were.

[@msmci5854]

I appreciate your less threatening style of message delivery, even though the message, itself, is terrifying. I pray we listen to what the scientists are saying. I have listened to this message for half of my life. It is so tragic that humanity can't get the common consciousness on how vulnerable we are to effectively cooking and poisoning ourselves by bad technology. We had alternatives, and these options still exist, for now, but these non fire based tech options won't exist if we lose our civilization sophistication. Why are we, still, on this suicidal path? Why won't we take action to save humanity?

[@celestinarogers2935]

Thanks for that great video, so well summarized

[@jnyc]

'We don't really consider it low probability anymore': Collapse of key Atlantic current could have catastrophic impacts, says oceanographer Stefan Rahmstorf News By Ben Turner published 2 days ago The Atlantic Ocean's most vital ocean current is showing troubling signs of reaching a disastrous tipping point. Oceanographer Stefan Rahmstorf tells Live Science what the impacts could be.

[@caravanstuff2827]

Just easier to watch the day after tomorrow!!.🙁

[@justmenotyou3151]

Naw. It's too exaggerated and way to loaded with hopeium.

[@a.randomjack6661]

@@justmenotyou3151 I dam hate hopium. Probably because I'm a fatalist. What happens happens and if it happened to me, it's because it has to happen to somebody 🤷‍♂

[@punditgi]

Best course of action is to keep watching this channel 👀

[@mafarmerga]

Disappointed that Mar-A-Lago will not go underwater sooner.

[@stevejudge2011]

Yep, with Trump in it

[@zoomby4380]

Why then has Obama a huge mansion close to sea water? Does not add up?

[@TonySK78]

I like the collection of bottles on the top left shelf of the scientist's home. I presume he was conferencing from home... 😂

[@sillyape741]

Very good discussion!

[@deepashtray5605]

One very disturbing aspect of climate change is the staggering lack of intellectual curiosity most people exhibit on the whole issue.

[@jollyjokress3852]

average IQ is 100. just recall that then it becomes easy to understand.

[@alphared4655]

Because it isn’t an issue caused by man

[@deepashtray5605]

@@alphared4655 I'm guessing you're not to keen on the topic of curiosity.

[@Jc-ms5vv]

@@alphared4655😂😂😂

[@a.randomjack6661]

Nost people I know are stuck in the rat race. I sure can't blame them for lack of curiosity. Of course, mass medias is a huge impediment to understanding anything.

[@stevesmith-sb2df]

I've spent the last 20yrs trying to vote the deniers out of office. I'll spend the next 20 yrs doing the same.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Look at what we did in Canada We got rid of a denier and voted in trudoh who bought pipeline projects with taxpayer money, forced natives into compliance about the route of another pipeline, etc. etc. Talk is cheap and the corps. rule.

[@phreatomagmatic8016]

People are entitled to believe in what they want to believe in.

[@chesterfinecat7588]

Just so long as growth and escalating real estate values continue at 6 to 10% we’re with you.

[@a.randomjack6661]

@@phreatomagmatic8016 We have NO free will. So, no!

[@phreatomagmatic8016]

@@a.randomjack6661 The problem I have with all of this, is those that demand that we give up our lifestyles, usually live jet set lifestyles themselves with absolutely gargantuan carbon footprints themselves. E.g John Kerry and Bill Gates.

[@toddjones5742]

the tragic irony of the many deniers/lobbyists interfering with support for adapting to changes citing that predictions exaggerate how fast change is coming, when in reality predictions have been too conservative regarding timelines and intensity of impacts. Children today will be living in a very different world decades from now.

[@Livingthewild]

"Decades" from now? You might be living in a bubble.

[@zombiedearth]

China is the number one polluter of the air and ocean, go talk to the CCP if you want change

[@Pecisk]

Not decades. People think it is a flip of switch. Things will be very bad in 10 years. Food. Famine. Wars. Full package.

[@caravanstuff2827]

Yes it's almost a stage production of THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW ,except the ending will get very real for all the actors on the world stage!!!.❤️🇬🇧

[@toddjones5742]

@@Livingthewild when I say different world, I mean a different world... a billion migrants... absolute agriculture collapse across the planet... end of democracy as authoritarians deal with constant widespread civil unrest... stuff like that, not just a bunch of floods

[@ncandrew1215]

Thanks again, Dave

[@topherdean1024]

Thank you for crunching the data in these scientific journals. Most of us don't have time to read the actual studies. You're providing a valuable service where the mainstream media (a wholly owned subsidiary of the fossil fuel industry) have failed.

[@RBEmpathy]

What I appreciate most about this channel is that you provide unbiased views on developments, while staying grounded. The whole thing is about to go belly up, but at least I can have some objective coverage before it really kicks off.

[@chesterfinecat7588]

If the Titanic ever sank, and it can’t, it would take days to sink with plenty of time for the Carpathia to arrive.

[@charlesvane2774]

Reminds me of the old U.S. joke about the Duck-and-Cover campaign to teach kids how to survive a nuclear attack. It amounted to: get under your desk, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye. And here we are . . .

[@janaka861]

I am. Duck-and cover kid. On the one hand we saw these videos of huge bombs going off and on the other they taught us to duck under our desk in elementary school. It always seemed crazy to me. Now I understand why - human beings are bat-shit crazy…

[@charlesvane2774]

@@janaka861 Indeed we are!

[@rpower1401]

We should take proactive action, accept the costs associated and work together. What we will do....nothing....probably just the opposite.

[@ricklines8755]

Lately, I've been seeing presentations on AMOC collapse appearing in my feed. And I've been avoiding watching them for the purposes of psychological self-care. But now that Dave's talking about the matter, I had to listen to your summary of the the recent commotion.

[@davidsimmons8990]

Keep on keeping on brother.

[@WhatsNextIWonder]

I'm angry, I'm so fucking angry, but I'm also tired. It feels like there's nothing we can do now, no changes we can make to save ourselves, so why does it matter anymore?

[@laju6398]

Instead of being angry because of leftist doomsday propaganda, you should study CO2 levels throughout earths history and notice that nothing is going to happen.

[@melfsade5557]

there's plenty of changes we could make to save ourself from a lot of potential climate change disasters. Not all of them sure,but quite a few (if we manage to get rid of the elites selling out us and the planet out for Oil and Coal)

[@TheSonicfrog]

I have a lot of experience in complex computer network capacity modelling, and something we always had to do was to artificially tamp out any positive feedback loops or the model would rapidly produce bizarre results. As a result, we got caught more than once with insufficient capacity to handle actual loads under real-life denial of service conditions made worse by customers repeatedly attempting to access unavailable resources. We overbuilt capacity to a certain extent to deal with this, but it was no by means foolproof nor economically viable as a general solution.

[@jonogrimmer6013]

No wonder he has all the spirits on his top shelf

[@JamieW-o7b]

What your guest Rene said was pretty much what I was taught at uni in 1986. But with more detail. I still keep a reserved opinion on the conveyor's changing.

[@grindupBaker]

The so-called "greenhouse effect (GHE)" in Earth's troposphere is that the top of the troposphere is almost always colder than the bottom of the troposphere and colder infrared-active gases MANUFACTURE photons at a slower rate than warmer infrared-active gases (slower-moving molecules gives fewer collisions and less forceful), and the top of the troposphere is closer to space than the bottom of the troposphere. That's it! In fact, at those places and times when the top of the troposphere is warmer than the bottom of the troposphere the GHE works BACKWARDS and causes COOLING of the surface and troposphere, and this has been measured non stop since 1964 and plots of it are all over the internet. In fact, one of the plots on the internet and in a published physics paper shows exactly how the amount of GHE effect varies with surface temperature and shows that the GHE is ZERO at -49 degrees and increases quite steadily proportional to surface temperature and below -49 degrees causes cooling depending on how cold the surface is. if the surface is -60 degrees for example then the backwards GHE of H2O gas & CO2 makes it several additional degrees COLDER. it's shit simple and the reason why there's such vast amounts of silly babbling about it is that >99.9% of humans have Shit For Brains. Not me though.

[@matthewbrown435]

When you can still get half a country the size of the USA still considering voting for Trump despite the obvious "in your face" issues with the man, theres very little hope in convincing the average person about making the necessary changes to the way we live in order to save ourselves.... But we have to try! Good on you Dave 👌

[@hime273]

🤡

[@jaykanta4326]

@@hime273 Poor little uneducated denialist. You just keep it up.

[@dominicgoodwin1147]

It's not just supporting Trump. Apparently "normal" people everywhere are beginning to believe the wildest conspiracy theories about cloud seeding causing all the flooding. That one seems to be particularly popular, not just in the English speaking world. I've heard it in Greece and Italy too.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Voters in USA when interviewed mostly comment on their personal income, inflation (which politicians are blamed for) and „illegal“ immigrants. 😏

[@Shithawks]

Sure let's vote for the other option 🤣💀 your clueless

[@tomholroyd7519]

Wishful thinking combined with not having a clue means yo guys we are past the tipping point it's already too late now. Net zero is meaningless, we need Net Negative for many decades, but it's too late. Buckle up.

[@Hope_Boat]

Great. If the tipping point is behind us let enjoy life and stop destroying the economy with useless mandatory measures.

[@Hope_Boat]

Net zero is just newspeak for death. You are breathing out CO2 right now. It there is nothing that can be done it's the greatest news of the century. It means all the stupid mandatory EV regulations, 15mn cities and all the tyrannical digital governance are useless.

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@Hope_Boat There is more than one tipping point. Each one flipping makes it even harder to survive the changes.

[@madshorn5826]

Net zero is absolutely meaningful. That it may not be the end goal is irrelevant: We have to reach net zero before we can go carbon negative. Btw, this is why nuclear power is a blind alley: Substituting a coal fired power plant with nuclear will keep the 2/3 waste heat production. Wind power with storage will produce the same electricity with no extra heat in the atmosphere. We *_can_* build a better world, but not if our dreams are based on unphysical notions of perpetual growth.

[@TrickOrRetreat]

The collapse is already baked into the oceans. We trap the amount of heat similar to a Hiroshima bomb per second. It all deposits in the Oceans.

[@petewright4640]

One aspect of the AMOC shutdown that wasn't really explored was the consiquence of the large relative drop in temperature between the northen North Atlantic and Europe which could be around 40C after a century. This won't just mean Scotland and Norway will be vastly colder 9n average than now but will generate extreeme fluctuations in temperature for Western Europe depending on wind direction and also produce extreeme storms. It's likely W Europe will become uninhabitable.

[@Sherkhan1962]

“All hell will break loose in the North Atlantic and neighbouring lands” to quote James Hansen in "Storms of my Grandchildren", a must read. Greetings from Brittany, one of these neighboring lands. I'm already too old to move, and I'm curious to witness.

[@hime273]

How does melting ice, equate to plummeting Temperatures?

[@hime273]

@@Sherkhan1962 So you direct me to another Fraud Climate Profit, who is getting rich off of lying to everybody?

[@jaykanta4326]

@@hime273 Another stupid comment with no evidence from you.

[@petewright4640]

@@hime273 Because melting ice is reducing the salinity of the northern North Atlantic. Less salty water is less dense than fresher water so is less prone to sinking. It's this sinking of dense salty water into the deep that powers the AMOC. If surface waters become too fresh then the AMOC stops. Once it stops heat is no longer transferred from the equator to the arctic so temperatures drop. Importantly it's the flow of the AMOC that brings very salty water up from the equator so once it stops the amoc doesn't restart, at least not for thousands of years.

[@ElkoJohn]

Much obliged from Nevada, USA

[@weldonyoung1013]

Dave, this is one of your best videos !!!

[@sprolyborn2554]

This is far from the first time the AMOC has collapsed. It breaking down is part of the cycle of hot and cold periods. When it stops, heat transfer slows to the poles. When that happens, ice builds back up. When that fresh water that stopped the AMOC becomes ice again, it restarts as does the heat transfer to the poles. Which melts the ice. Which slows the AMOC. Rinse and repeat.

[@SamFranzenVideoVault]

Two words--Younger Dryas. Look it up.

[@meeshlove8872]

Perhaps the migration of our poles should be added to the analyses. And our star!

[@BA-so3mx]

@@meeshlove8872 Indeed, monitoring the Sun & Earth relationship and tracking our magnetic field, which are collapsing too (25 to 30% down)

[@mikolajtrzeciecki1188]

@@meeshlove8872 Indeed, the Poles will migrate more because the European Green Deal will destroy the economy of their home country.

[@johngrundowski3632]

The jet stream can & does dump rain on IceLand- we have atmospheric rivers for last 14 years- cycles are GONE

[@michaelmcnally9737]

Ooo A new just have a think video. I hope it's about a battery breakthrough.... Oh... Oh no

[@az55544]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Pecisk]

Batteries are nice, but oil is sweeter /s

[@connor8875]

Not this time, it's a prophet of doom episode 🤯

[@timothy8428]

There, there.

[@breakingbadest9772]

If you do what i view as real economic evaluations of the future, reducing emissions is always more cost effective than trying to capture the emitted co2.

[@theangrygrunt1481]

why not both?

[@ZetaArcticana4006]

@@theangrygrunt1481with current technology carbon capture technology emits more co2 though power plants than it captures. Unless we go 100% nuclear/renewables it’s not worth it.

[@theangrygrunt1481]

@@ZetaArcticana4006 for most carbon capture rigs yes, but there are passive models that don't use fans and use far less power (albeit probably capturing less co2). look up "mechanicaltree", something like that can be easily scaled up and deployed anywhere, it uses a material that absorbs co2 when dry, but once submerged in water the co2 gets released.

[@zmagokorosec6025]

just brilliant and Rudyard Kepling's quote is on purpose : Bravo

[@zlamskyisky]

great info, thanks

[@azbestascetyczny8424]

AMOC dying out made me rethink my planned career in Norway. I think central Europe will be safer. Please, more videos on climate and science!

[@unatwomey7112]

I saw a video earlier about massive rock slides in Switzerland. It's likely nowhere is safe.

[@Pecisk]

Relatively. People will try to move to safer spaces. But overall, nowhere will be safe and we will be busy developing survival tech.

[@TheDanEdwards]

Please note: the "-10C" drop in temps (in the UK) *does not take into account further warming.* This is made clear by many scientists but has gotten lost in the media. If one includes temperature rise from warming, which may be as much as 4C by the year 2100 if we don't mitigate, then the UK temps with AMOC collapse will not be -10C, but perhaps more like -3C. von Westen and others have commented on this and are running further research to get a better estimate for actual land temps in light of global warming and an AMOC collapse.

[@DM-zq8qy]

Please note math error: -10°C + 3°C = -7°C. Still HORRIBLE!

[@Volkbrecht]

Which just goes to show: at this point we have to wait and see. Prepare for the worst and ride out the consequences. Just in this comment section I'm reading about so many possible consequences, that all I know for sure is that nobody really knows what whill happen where and in what order once we pass critical tipping points. So, remember the tale of the grasshopper and the ant: when winter came, the grasshopper hopped into his sportscar and drove south, and the ant got stepped on. Try to enjoy life a little ;)

[@takvertakvera]

Note: while northern Europe and UK cools down, southern Europe warms up. The expansion in temperature difference will drive more extreme weather events: high wind storms, flood events. This was a comment made by Rahmstorf recently.

[@DM-zq8qy]

@@Volkbrecht “Wait and see?” OR “Prepare for the worst?” We waited. NOW we SEE! We took lead out of gasoline and greatly reduced cigarette smoking once we LEARNED how harmful they were. We know the dangers, but ignorance and apathy cause some to keep “living it up.” I am 69. I don’t care about me. I care for future generations and even the helpless animals we are driving to extinction.🥲

[@simonpritchard472]

So what does that say about the 40C summers?

[@christoffussenegger9377]

I have been following climate science since many years, and it made we worrying a lot, but If these new climate models turn out to be correct this is the most devastating news I have ever heard. Scientists published clear warnings and recommend to phase out fossil fuels and reduce emissions. Hardly anybody wanted to hear this, instead emissions doubled. Looks like we are going to see dire consequences rather soon. :-((((

[@AlbertEBlake]

Another great video😊

[@gsnyder2007]

As usual thanks to you and your team Dave. Important to get the information regardless of how depressing it might be. I’m training to be a heat pump coach here in MA to help more people convert to heat pumps and retire their oil or gas fueled heating systems, to weatherize their homes, etc. Think globally and act locally, as the saying goes. I’m working towards decarbonizing my life and hope others are doing the same whilst putting pressure on political leaders to do more. In US everyone needs to vote Blue and for Harris/Walz. Trump still believes climate change is a hoax and will do all in his power to undo legislation (eg. IRA) that is enabling millions of Americans to transition away from fossil fuels. We need so much more and I know Harris isn’t perfect on the environment but the alternative would be much worse.

[@tranka6112]

25 years ago our professors at gymnasium told us, that the Golf stream will collapse changing Europe's climate to be far less temperate, more extreme, or continental. They were speaking of 100 years, but we might live to see it. Now, this video says exactly the same thing, so I wonder, what's the news, here. I actually missed the part, that it already happened, what the title suggests. I don't complain, I just wonder. If our actions define our climate, then we should definitely have to change our actions. Maybe they did, arguably to the worst, so why haven't the models changed accordingly. Seems the more we learn, the less we actually know. There are just more educated guesses, or - if you like - predictions. 😮‍💨

[@slateslavens]

it's mainly down to refining the models and having enough computing power to truly simulate things. Then there's the ongoing learning about the processes involved - you can't ask questions about things you aren't aware of.

[@janaka861]

Actually “the more we learn the less we know” is a paradox that is defined in psychology as “The Dunning Kruger Effect.”

[@petewright4640]

"the AMOC has started to collapse". Not much about that in rhe video 😐. One paper said could start in 2025 though. Was hopping the video was going to talk about the very strange ocean temperature anomalies since May 2023, the pattern of which suggest a sudden slowdown which could indicate the passing of the tipping point.

[@tbur8901]

Pressing the like button but ..

[@Thomas-gk42]

Thanks a lot for this accurate report.

[@remkoburger6595]

To René van Westen: First of all, congratulations on your future fatherhood. How do you, as a Dutch citizen, live comfortably knowing that your country has such a bleak future after the AMOC collapse? A good portion will be underwater, AND frozen stiff! I love to hear your thoughts on this.

[@PartyStarters1]

Would be nice if as a world population we could work together…unfortunately going up against Big Oil is an almost certainly un winnable battle.

[@sarcasmunlimited1570]

Mostly we don't want AMOC to go amok.

[@hughjohnston]

This doesn't sound good 2037 ! Like a doctor telling you your hemorrhoids are cured but you have terminal cancer

[@danyoutube7491]

In that scenario, at least you'd be able to take a seat while the doctor gives you the bad news :)

[@justmenotyou3151]

Studies have shown that with cancer diagnosis, doctors have been too optimistic, and life expencity shorter, and quality of life diminishes before death.

[@hughjohnston]

@@justmenotyou3151 I don't have hemorrhoids or the dreaded C But Life is like chinese watches there's no guarantees

[@bobknight6394]

Great Video!

[@Hempdocs-y5z]

I believe we can make a difference. Yes I've known since the early 80's. I've been working on it since. There are 3 very strong issues we can address which will change this path. Natures Way. Industrial Hemp. Plant base culture. Thank You for all You do!

[@egghole3]

My heart aches for all the species we are losing to humanity's outsized footprint, but it brings me some relief and hope when I remember that life has bounced back from 5 mass-extinctions and will continue to do so until the sun swallows Earth. Things are going to get very hard, but we will survive; regardless if our leaders and the capitalists bother to do anything about their environmental destruction or not. And hey, in a changed world, something new and beautiful will sprout. I wish I could live long enough to see it. I sympathize with the doomed feeling everyone is expressing in the comments right now and I encourage everyone to try getting involved local activism, if it's at all possible. I didn't think there was anything I could do about climate change here in my city, but I found a group earlier this year and it's been a boost to my moral. Even if your local government proves resistant, you will still meet a lot of like-minded people and that can make a world of difference. You are not alone and we will all get through this together

[@gregbailey45]

You really think WE will survive?

[@dosadoodle]

What if countries severely impacted by climate change choose to take military action against countries exporting fossil fuels to attempt to stop them? I'm imagining a scenario where 100,000 people die in a country due to a wildly extreme weather event that would have been effectively impossible without climate change, causing people in that country to see carbon emissions as a way others have waged war on them.

[@laju6398]

Extreme weather events haven't increased beyond minimal fluctuations. Using it as an excuse to wage war is just as valid as any other reason to do it.

[@bobbresnahan8397]

However the climate evolves we must reduce greenhouse gas emissions to zero. I reached that conclusion 15 years ago and decided to focus solely on that issue. I'm discouraged that CO2 levela are still increasing but encouraged that solar, wind and batteries are rapidly declining in price and are the cheapest form of energy ever produced. That will inevitably lead to the collapse of fossil fuels however timorous policians are and however much misinformation is fed to the public by the fossil fuel industry. But will it all occur in time to avoid more massive social problems and events like the AMOC collapse? At age 81 I'm approaching the second great eternity and fear I won't be able to see if we make it. But, the eye of the needle is definitely narrowing.

[@hime273]

So, we should all simply stop breathing?😂😂

[@VeritasIncrebresco]

Co2 emissions is not warming the Earth. This planet is in a historic Co2 deficit. We've been at much higher ppm during severe glacial periods. Solar storms, a very weak magnet field, and the ongoing polar excursion are bringing these changes.

[@justmenotyou3151]

Sneek peek, spoiler alert, we won't make it.

[@man_at_the_end_of_time]

​@@VeritasIncrebresco You are confusing the sheeple and Judas-goats with the superior model

[@Xiph1980]

VeritasIncrebresco well that's a whole Lotta nonsense.

[@AliWalker-g1b]

Very informative and understandable thanks very much

[@Hempdocs-y5z]

Best early example is After the Warming featuring James Burke. Excellent!

[@johnbee7729]

Despite warnings such as this, I believe a majority of our corporations, governments, individuals and institutions are simoly unwilling or unable to make the necessary sacrifices to result in any significant changes to our current path. Survival of a single entity still seems far more important than the survival of all. Oh well, maybe doomsday will take at least 30 years and I won't need to waste my breath on the unwilling

[@justmenotyou3151]

Ya, I stopped talking to them long ago. It is far better to talk to a wall, walls are more intelligent. Plus, walls listen and don't argue and interrupt.

[@timeenoughforart]

I don't even think it is a sacrifice. We can't give up our world view. Is it a sacrifice to give up war? Think of all the money wasted on militaries. All the money wasted on mindless fashion? A new wardrobe every year? Or planned obsolescence. Shoes that fall apart before the shoe laces are even worn out. Or the massive hours at work wasted junk bureaucracies. Hundred of different insurance companies, all with different rules making healthcare horribly complicated. Hundreds of jobs just to insure I am aware of warranties for my automobile. Hell, I'm sure we have whole industries just to profit of the effects of stress caused by this twisted world view.

[@dicjenkins6126]

Great stuff. Informative without being too technical. However, how about a bullet point argument to give to climate change deniers? A few incontrovertible simple but conclusive evidential points? Stuff they can’t counter. Desperately needed.

[@mikejfranklin7000]

'Stuff they can't counter' doesn't matter, they are blind because they will not see.

[@unatwomey7112]

Ask them what'll they eat?

[@OldOneTooth]

Certainly recent changes in Amazon and Antarctica are concerning in light of this.

[@zoomby4380]

This winter in the Southern Hemisphere...Antarctic ice has grown? Bigger than Al Gore predicted????

[@OldOneTooth]

@zoomby4380 the price of oil goes up and down. Recently it went down, yay it must be cheaper to fill my car than it was in the 1920s.

[@zoomby4380]

@@OldOneTooth Live next to a Forrest, drive only 1 x weekly, car tank lasts 5 weeks. 9 solar panels, 3 rain water tanks. Plant potatoes, pumpkin veggies...eat no meat over 15+ years. No overseas flights since 2013. Use the train to visit relatives....So...dear old Tooth....my carbon footprint is so better than those delegates who are at COP29. I walk the walk....not as those who point fingers at people and think they are better and know better. 🖕👉👈✊🤛👏👐

[@OldOneTooth]

@@zoomby4380 yet you still missed the point. Watch the cryosphere videos if you want to figure out the answer to your question.

[@adriaan2618]

3:10 top right corner ... this is a man of great taste😄

[@MrMrFlyPuppy]

Thanks Dave.

[@lizkeith1356]

let's build greenhouses around our houses like they do in sweden. let's build arks to prepare for flooding. to survive we need: sun, water, heating and cooling. instead of funding wars, why not fund scientists to build human survival tools.

[@a.randomjack6661]

Wars are extremely profitable. It,s hard to find money for the good things in life, like Life...

[@laju6398]

No, instead of building survival tools we are funding useless welfare, even the spending on wars is small in comparison.