Has the world's second tallest building failed?

[@hkharryfunk]

Of course the person who designed it doesn't think it's a failure.

[@ireneuszpyc6684]

Pruitt Igoe (a housing project in St Louis, Missouri) - its chief architect said "I wish I was never involved"

[@samaranis6504]

It's not the designer's job to make it succeed or fail, his job is to make it only.

[@jdraven0890]

@@ireneuszpyc6684 I learned later that there were things he strongly recommended, like including some lower density and variety of units, but the govt rejected that - he takes all the blame for it, but the whole project was flawed

[@AinzWoolGown]

@@samaranis6504 Its the designer's job to make it work functionally, sustain the programme it was intended to hold developed from the brief that client provided/ required. But, whether or not that brief (no of offices, restaurants, condos etc) be realized practically after completion is not the designer's problem. I guess that's what you are trying to say.

[@vincetoy9782]

no wonder theyll say that, this is a chinese propaganda channel

[@sharanchandran5659]

For those looking for the answer to the title: "Too soon to say."

[@myrpok]

Also, while the video is interesting, be aware of whose voices are being used to "objectively" critique this building: The chief architect of the tower, and a state-owned Chinese news source (CGTN). One doesn't exactly want to be known for building a failed building, and a government who invested a couple BILLION dollars in said building. Now, with that said- I think we in the west SHOULD be pressuring our elected officials to do more investments like this. Sustainability is the future. Just be aware who's telling you how good their system is.

[@raylopez99]

Like Mao's answer to the French Revolution?!

[@guhr9007]

@@raylopez99 Zhou Enlai actually. And that story was actually a misunderstanding. Apparently Zhou thought Kissinger was asking about the May 1968 events in France.

[@yqisq6966]

Sounds reasonable.

[@SATYAMSINGH-ly8kb]

@@myrpok What is non elegant jihad

[@mrfacques]

They created this whole report in response to B1M. Lol.

[@p.schmidt7032]

Communist Party propaganda department has no shortage of money.

[@marksanders7988]

Gotta save face.....

[@p.schmidt7032]

@杨健 The basics of successful propaganda is to carefully mix fact with fiction to slowly turn people's minds in the direction you want.

[@ZihanZhao-yc8hf]

@@p.schmidt7032 so which part is fictional

[@epiccollision]

@@ZihanZhao-yc8hf He didn’t state it was fictional, you did, well your friend up above did, are you working together? Interesting isn’t it? Asking for answers for questions no one asked...face? No save here.

[@Pyrolonn]

Interesting and I like some of the features. Asking the chief architect to evaluate it is sort of like asking a kid's dad if he's a good kid though.

[@KumaBean]

Nothing wrong with evaluating your own kids, my kids are great, they're doing so well in school and schola... .....one minute,.....

[@lukepocock]

if u hadnt already noticed this is a propaganda channel.

[@Pyrolonn]

@@lukepocock I missed that, but you're right it is a p.r. channel for the Chinese government.

[@lukepocock]

@@Pyrolonn once you figured it out the whole channel and narrative shifts. even the comments!

[@vincentlabrecque2275]

Or asking a kid who's the strongest dad

[@dkpqzm]

I love the Shanghai Tower's design and appearance. It will take a while to fill the entire structure. It's a architectural masterpiece.

[@icestationzebra8636]

Yea, everyone is waiting for the rent to come down!

[@dkpqzm]

@@icestationzebra8636 I bet it's very expensive!

[@overthecounterbeanie]

Obviously, the only way to settle this is a boxing match between Fred Mills from B1M and this presenter.

[@belladonna1994]

how about fred mills vs Marshall Strabala and the presenter as the referee?

[@Helghast73]

Fred’s jealous is all “Fred’s mission is to fundamentally alter the perception of construction on planet Earth” when that’s your outlook and this structure shows sustainability in abundance, you’re a jealous little tit stuck in a shitty london office. No wonder he can’t hide his hate for it and it’s designers.

[@mmoarchives2542]

B1M would get bored winning

[@CBielski87]

shame about the china virus :(

[@Ahdurun]

Remember Ipman?

[@iwrotethis4712]

They actually felt it when they watched that B1M vid

[@rusitoexplorador]

Yeah hahah, they made a whole video and judging by how it was made it wasn't very cheap

[@DamianLewd]

🤣🤣🤣

[@melize7035]

They giggled and said class is in session.

[@CBielski87]

shame about the china virus :(

[@npon]

They care about it because the Chinese don't like to lose face..

[@hotyummyitalianpizza1515]

This is probably the best video funded by the Chinese government

[@imouse3246]

You too? For me it's like trying to sell refrigerators to Eskimos.

[@senorpepper3405]

GET IN MY BELLY!!

[@polarbear2272]

Exactly, Not that I have any opinion, but using the designer ad the only source in support is kind of sus

[@ThatGuyKazz]

well it is a pretty low bar so I wouldn't be surprised.

[@spum4366]

Thought the same thing!

[@GIguy]

How can you call that building a failure? It’s absolutely gorgeous, it was built using some of the most modern materials and techniques in construction today. The only thing is the floor plates are a bit small, big deal, just look at this thing, it’s absolutely incredible! They keep saying that at night time only half the lights are on, nobody seems to realize that the top half of the building is a hotel, which is why most of the lights aren’t turned on. People really should get to know the facts before they comment! Duh!!! They even built a skyscraper totally Surrounded by a curtain wall of glass to regulate the temperatures, and to save money and energy. This building is way ahead of its time, and floor plates aside, I absolutely love this building. Granted I’m in Toronto, and I have never seen it before, but I don’t need to see it in person to know what an outstanding structure it truly is. My only concern, is that they’ve built so much real estate and such a small part of land, that will easily be overcome if ocean level rise continues at its current rate. If it does, practically all of Shanghai will be underwater and all those beautiful new buildings will be destroyed. If I had to give only one negative comment, it would be just that, they should’ve built it on higher ground, because sooner or later, Shanghai will literally be under water.

[@raianwickett3000]

It never fails to amaze me just how tall buildings can get.

[@yourrain2587]

This is the problem of youtube, anyone can claim to be an "expert" without an ounce of knowledge

[@stickynorth]

Bingo! I call them armchair architects and engineers. Same with people who hate The Boring Company. No matter what Elon Musk does with that company people find fault. Why? Because they have SOOOO much more at stake to lose if he succeeds... Goodbye cushy, overfed slow build projects that take 5-10 years when in reality they could be built in weeks in most other places. And you wonder why High Speed Rail in California will always be overbudget and behind schedule. It's not that they couldn't get it done on time and within budget. It's because their whole system of planning, construction and operation is so badly done that the only ones who benefit are contractors...

[@champipoy]

Perfecto!!! 😷

[@dennisverweij4817]

You do realize, Fred Mills, the presenter for B1M and its founder, graduated with an architecture degree and worked in the industry for a decade before making the channel. So he has a lot more knowledge than my self and most likely yourself, and qualifies more of an expert than any of the commenters below this video.

[@markoscream8466]

Yeah man! I'd call them keyboard know-abouts!

[@ycyang2698]

Dennis Verweij But I can feel that he’s politically biased

[@ZOMBiEmovieHD]

I never understood the need to use a primitive concept like fail & succeed, black & white, us vs them, its such a counterproductive way of thinking.

[@Jane-ch9yb]

It is easy for a journalist, I guess

[@zachoo5135]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0eYSPoJaJibs

[@edhiepitz]

Has been in Shanghai tower and it's impressive!

[@tr1bes]

Has been at my 1 story home and I think it's impressive too.

[@shashanksaurav4922]

@@tr1bes thats all u deserve mate

[@NathanVierke]

Damn that BM1 video got them butthurt as hell 😂

[@asdf3568]

It's called news. That is what news channels do. Who's really butthurt here? Could it be because you don't like to see China's rise?

[@lovelight7427]

It's called correcting you 🤣

[@xyleblack2545]

@@asdf3568 You should take any chinese state media with a massive grain of salt. They spread lies constantly like denying the uyghur genocide or their inability to warn the world about covid (as you might know they covered it up for the first weeks) and those are just two examples. They even lie about history, the great leap forward, the cultural revolution or most prominent tiananmen square. This channel is probably more than 85% propaganda.

[@yunko9369]

@@xyleblack2545 I guess you are really a typical brainwashed idiot here! Were you there and witnessed the whole event in the Square? But two student leaders, Liu Xiabob and Hou Deijan, have openly disputed what was reported by the west. Students started to leave the Square at 4:15 am. Hou Deijan said he was at the Square until 6:30 am. Wonder why their story never git reported by the west. worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/ This is what you called the Uyghur genocide. But the narrative was predicted years ago! YT: =LLWD0EfPYaY The Chinese government did acknowledge the cultural revolution was a mistake and vowed not to allow it to recur. Source: SCMP by Jun Mai on 5/17/2016 You said, their inability to warn the world about covid (as you might know they covered it up for the first weeks). Care to tell which is the first week you are talking. The first reported case was in early December. By the end of December, the WHO was notified of the unknown virus. Now, maybe you can explain to me why only China is the only country that reported the cases when 1) Blood samples collected in the early December of 2019 in the US have tested positive for Covid. 2) Sewage samples in early December of 2019 in Itlay also tested positive for Covid.

[@TitioVlad]

Tower: owned by chinese government CGTN: owned by chinese government Also CGTN: trust me, it didn’t fail

[@tednee7572]

Could it be said that buying a property in this building becomes a government? 1.4 billion governments, great fxxking stupid logic!

[@petterzachrisson6500]

@@tednee7572 get over yourself... This video is clearly made for the single purpose .. to deflect the critique in the B1M videon...

[@XJLCA]

Titio Vlad, dude, "It didn't failed"? Clearly you failed your English lessons.

[@magnusforsman9150]

XJLCA , And that is your strongest argument 😏

[@deven9941]

Yep

[@robertmaxwell6561]

The B1M did acknowledge the fact that the upper floors of the tower was a unfinished hotel.

[@ororochi]

still slandering the building to be failed in its video title

[@CBielski87]

shame about the china virus :(

[@Lrripper]

@@CBielski87 are you a bot ?

[@CBielski87]

@@Lrripper depends, are you pro china virus? :(

[@Lrripper]

@@CBielski87 why are spamming ”china virus” like a bot ?

[@mikeatyouttube]

By this metric you can add the Empire State building in NY to the list of 'failed' buildings. Five years after it opened the building was so empty they didn't bother running elevator service above floor 45 (a couple of exceptions including the observation deck that made as much money as the rented floors did in the early years). For years the building was dubbed the 'Empty State' building. So compared to the Empire State, the Shanghai Tower is a major success in its early years. Would this video have been made if the upper floors (the ones to be a hotel) had been illuminated at night? That's certainly what they did with the Empire State building to give the illusion of occupancy.

[@dry5555]

Yeah but you forget to mention it opened in 1931 during the Great Depression which lasted until WW2. So of course occupancy was going to be low. If it had opened for five years during the 1920s occupancy would have no doubt been 90% which was normal at the time. Your comparison with the Shanghai Tower, regardless of what happens to ST, is specious.

[@mikeatyouttube]

@@dry5555 That mostly my point. Neither building is a failed building. I put failed in quotes because video's authors defined failed by this specious metric. They call it failed and then go on to explain *why* many of the floors are unoccupied (for a hotel). Nobody would call the Empire State a failed building now. The financiers took a hit after construction because of the depression but then everyone did. In fact, why produce a video like this at all? Why not show off the amazing technology designed in to the structure? Well, actually there is a point, a propaganda point : this video is produced by CTGN - arm of the government - and their policy has changed to discourage any more tall buildings. This video, in a small way, might just be part of their bidding. But KZbin is banned in China so who is the audience? Us?

[@dry5555]

@@mikeatyouttube Ok, I understand and agree with what you're saying. You can't call a building a failure unless you use reasonable and objective metrics. In addition, I think you're saying that this is a propaganda video (agreed) supporting the Shanghai Tower as a matter of pride but since it's for the international audience they don't want to over do it as they are trying to discourage more tall buildings. Is this correct?

[@mikeatyouttube]

@@dry5555 It's odd, isn't it. It's sort of anti-propaganda. You would have thought they would put a positive spin on it like 'the lower floors are occupied and soon there will be a fantastic hotel opening on the upper floors' - something like that. Of course, the video could still be for a domestic audience too, broadcast on an indigenous streaming service. I think I'll stop thinking about motives because we'll never know for sure.

[@dontlaughtoomuch11]

@@mikeatyouttube A building with an occupancy rate of 35% (at best!!!) can objectively be seen as a failure... The main reason why big buildings in the centre of Shanghai are no longer attractiving as many businesses as they used to has to do with the outward trend of people and companies relocating to the outskirts of the city to cut down on housing costs, rent cost, energy costs etc. etc. Shanghai by all standards is expensive as hell!! Not a single Shanghainese will tell you otherwise. So this vanity project has been a really good lesson for China. Don't try to compete with cities like NY where sky scrapers are common, do your own thing and only build in the lines of usefulness and obviously competitiveness and what generates revenue. Population density outside of Shanghai is far bigger than in Shanghai for a good reason, the Chinese government is trying to push people from "overpolluting" the cities, so people only go there for work. ( We have seen the failure of bad city planning or better said INEXISTANT and more importantly inefficient city planning, like Dhaka, Lagos, Jakarta, Mumbai, LA, Manilla etc etc.) Being stuck in traffic costs the economy billions...

[@Strangelove101]

Impressive building, too far ahead of the curve for most people...huge respect to Marshall.

[@zachoo5135]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/laq0eYSPoJaJibs

[@CBielski87]

shame about the china virus :(

[@ramonching7772]

Yes! First time to encounter DISORGANIZED VORTEX SHEDDING. Now that you mentioned it. The Shanghai Tower is really different. Had to watched again the comparison between Burj Khalifa and Shanghai Tower. The Burj Khalifa looking so primitive in design. It's like comparing a pyramid to an (anti) airplane.

[@Strangelove101]

@@CBielski87 Virus came from Fort Detrick, US. Try not to let yourself be brainwashed by fake news.

[@zes3813]

wrg,idts, no such thing as respectx or etc

[@OXxDarkxXO56]

After the water leak, the answer is : YES

[@philburch1970]

This thing could be so far underwater financially that it would make the Marianas Trench look like a puddle and the CCP (local and national) would never let it 'fail'. Too much of an iconic statement in a Tier 1 city to be seen as a loss.

[@greenspiraldragon]

In the long run the cheaper operating cost will pay off.

[@DrFoofyMan]

Yet another KZbin egg-spurt weighs in. You're probably a "sanitary engineer"

[@asdf3568]

You mean like underwater until it becomes profitable? It is in the Shanghai downtown area in a country that is growing fast.

[@xyleblack2545]

@@asdf3568 But there is already too much available office space... Why choose one of the most expensive real estate if you have cheaper options even nearby?

[@erbium4308]

Oh let me guess, you think you understand China because you watch China uncensored or serpentza

[@ericdaryl]

if you built the tallest building in China，you have already succeeded。

[@barefooboy17]

Built in China, designed by an American. There you go pal

[@lolollolol1436]

@@barefooboy17 Architects are dreamers -- requiring creativity which Americans excel at. Engineering, however, requires mathematical skills + manpower which China excels at.

[@我们爱面]

americans built it. so do they win?

[@yamiomo3277]

@@我们爱面 yes and no, America is buisy sucking its own tail pipe, well china is trying to carve out a future for its self like a nation should. In terms of sustainability If america does not get its act together and start helping invest in renewable tech and sustainable design as a national priority than we all lose.

[@我们爱面]

@@yamiomo3277 incorrect. china is not trying to create a future for itself. the Chinese Communist Party is creating a future for itself. chinese people are not included, they are only a resource to protect, enrich, and empower their slave holders.

[@KimmyTheDarkTrader]

"I would say that the person who said that doesn't know what they're talking about". I am wondering did that surprise him or anyone? If it does, then I guess I should say "Welcome to 21st century social media".

[@KimmyTheDarkTrader]

@Yo Yo I warmly greet you with "Welcome to 21st Century Social Media". Have you ever been to China? Probably you didn't but I did. I was an expat back couple years ago in Shanghai and my office is in Raffles located at The Bund, just opposite Lujiazui. I'm pretty sure I know what I am talking about. FYI, Goldman, UBS, JPM, Nomura are not idiot if you know what I mean. The link that you think it's a great information for you, but seems a little bit outdated to me because they are telling you something that probably happen 3 years ago and someone who has no idea about Shanghai property market.

[@josogee]

@Yo Yo Can't decide if you are blissfully ignorant or plain naive. Marshall Strabala graduated from Harvard Graduate School of Design with a Masters of Architecture (one of the best architecture schools out there) and has participated in the design of many iconic buildings/ skyscrapers in his lifetime, including the Burj Khalifa and the LG Gangnam Tower. To think Fred Mills, whose "business" consists solely of the B1M KZbin channel (and calling himself a CEO... talk about inflated self importance), someone who graduated from a community college no one has heard of, who never made it as an architect or designed/ built a building > 1 storey in his life, is qualified to criticise the work of a master (and you buying his bullshit) is truly laughable.

[@bluemond5329]

Ignore him. Just another troll.

[@onnkoink3949]

welcome to 21st century media, where you're watching a video defending the shanghai tower from a video with the chief architect and sponsored by the chinese government. its no wonder they would say it hasnt failed

[@onnkoink3949]

@@josogee just because he went to harvard doesnt mean he cant make mistakes. everyone makes mistakes no matter how trained you are in something, the shanghai tower was just one of those few mistakes. also you're believing a channel run by the chinese government defending their tallest building. theyre obviously going to be biased as shit wheras the b1m is likely unbiased as he is an independently owned channel. hes also a contractor, so even if he doesnt have a harvard education, i would still say he knows what hes talking about

[@arminius6506]

Looking at Western TV and YT channels i thunk they spend their nights praying that China fail and days talking about how China will fail, like they are waiting 1.4 billion people to fail and suffer so that they can satisfy their ego.

[@heyguyswhatshappening6210]

Then you need to get off western tv and KZbin channels and get your country to produce free and liberal content for the world ... oh that’s right they can’t !

[@arminius6506]

@@heyguyswhatshappening6210 we can... But if we block it than Western media would launch a crusade against out government for "curbing freedom of expression". You say it like you don't even know your ugly self

[@zhurongonmars6256]

@@heyguyswhatshappening6210 oh thats right you wanna see china fall and you pray for it everydayand night

[@illusionsstage3254]

@Zeeshan Niazi @ Zlatko Jurukovski

[@nicolaspace1182]

No. Most channels critical of China are critical of the CCP which is committing genocide against the Uighur Muslims, not critical of the citizens.

[@benjaminmairs9302]

Not quite sure what is more engineered: the Shanghai Tower, this video, or this “comment section”

[@我们爱面]

this report brought to you by shanghai tower's investors, who own cgtn. side note, sky scraper construction was banned shortly after the construction of this tower

[@fergusdenoon1255]

No wonder, if the chief designer came to me with a statement that broke down to: How do we stop buildings from flying? I'd instantly be thinking: This guy thinks buildings fly! :-/

[@curator23]

@@fergusdenoon1255 Hit a large enough surface area with typhoon strength winds and anything can fly. Managing wind loading is one of the biggest challenges of skyscraper design. Even low buildings can have their rooves ripped off in a gale and flown hundreds of meters downwind.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

@@curator23 yeah, and what you use to combat what you've duscribed there is aerodynamics, so take a moment to recognise that the chief designers analogy was taking something that is aerodynamic, and making it not aerodynamic.

[@curator23]

@@fergusdenoon1255 His explanation was terrible, I'll give you that. You want a better one?

[@fergusdenoon1255]

@@curator23 No I don't need a better one, I know that in these cases architecture is driven by a clients desire and ego rather than a practical application of best building techniques.

[@stevechristensen9171]

Your question is has the building failed and your analysis is, "it's too soon to tell." What a waste of time.

[@james5460]

So, the Chinese government produced a video to show that the Chinese government's massive building project is doing okay. Got it.

[@BrandonGiordano]

Exactly

[@wisetour4ever]

It’s better than ok

[@oakpal]

James And you can always trust communists !!!

[@dcarbs2979]

@@wisetour4ever so we upgrade it to "not bad"?

[@qnqn5777]

Don't you have a brain to analyse the information on your own? And the architect's self defense

[@billinsf88]

Meanwhile in San Francisco, the most expensive condominium, the Millennium Tower, has sunk several feet and leaning. When it was built it proudly stated build with American steels and labor.

[@tonynoname7644]

Now that is wobbling, yes, that is a catastrophic failure. The fact they built each level in 2.7 days appears to be at the heart of its failure.

[@TonghoPhotography]

you're probably thinking about the building in an entirely different town?

[@haikalhadzik7744]

wait untill you see taipei towers lol

[@pliantgraymattersociety7233]

Reminds me of the Sydney opera house, a financial calamity perhaps, but a tremendous work of architectural genius. Hats off, to its brilliant progenitors

[@Asdsyaah]

Its ok... Next sec tallest skyscraper in the world will be PNB 118 ( MALAYSIA)

[@afifadam776]

yes

[@deonnicholaslee]

But Malaysia economy isn’t 2nd in the world . We should focus on other things

[@afifadam776]

@@deonnicholaslee but right now we are focusing the tallest tower here. not economy. lol

[@deonnicholaslee]

Edwin Sharahmat well if you look at the title and content of the video, what is it talking about ? Is the tall skyscraper gonna stimulate more economy or bring the country further debt.

[@sssharefff]

@@deonnicholaslee The PNB118 is not build by the government its by some big company, they are simply building this to use part of it as a office to put their thousand of workers somewhere... when they have the money i guess they use it... yes we are kinda in a low place here but we are handling it well...

[@sallymurphy177]

It's beautiful, love the curves.

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

There were many more features to save money in this skyscraper such as workers didn't have any fall protection even while climbing an outside wall!! Such an ''amazing'' project indeed... (3:34 if you missed that)

[@xyleblack2545]

@@ggoddkkiller1342 China cares for you. If you fall a CCP official will catch you.

[@A_Lion_In_The_Sun]

It's like Zaha Hadid said, real buildings have curves.

[@repx4074]

Opened for 5 years and still only a 70% occupancy rate, indeed it's has been failed as a commercial property so far. Why you guys have to argue about a building with "china" "u.s." "western", just please don't politicalize everything.

[@Emperor-Wild-Man]

As an example of architecture, the Shanghai Tower is a gem. As an example of a building where the needs of people whether they are occupants, owners, and/or investors are required to be fulfilled, today the building may be defined as a failure. I am now an retired architect, but I will always remember from my early days as an architectural student, my design professor told me that my current design project was an example of a building and not an example of architecture.

[@durantburner7428]

Step 1. Bring main architect in who totally has 0 bias Step 2. "CGTN is funded in whole or in part by the Chinese government"

[@tnyachot]

Wow, I got a different perspective from B1M. This is a long term smart project.

[@tnyachot]

@Xiao Han B1M said the dam would fail? I wouldn't expect such a video by them. They came off as respectable for most vids the dam is fine.

[@huangclpku]

@Xiao Han Do you mean this video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKnGo6ipepykl9k There may be a couple of comments under that video talking about it. But it's unfair to say B1M said it.

[@t3gs12]

B1M From UK, he live in london. I know after watch his video..

[@tnyachot]

@@huangclpku I see it was comments. I like the B1M channel. I do think the assessment of the tower being a failure is incorrect. It was B1M assessment that the tower needed to be full in capacity in a short period of time.

[@patchy64]

The dam has been an environmental disaster so let's not pretend its perfect

[@paanjang16]

B1M: it is a failure Chief architect of the bld: you dont know what you are talking about

[@TheFreshSpam]

Of course the chief architect would say that. He cant be wrong or shown up. Its embarrassing for him. Infact it's even worse he has to try defend it. Get outsiders to review it. Imagine reviewing your own work as great and saying noone else can say it's bad. That's not how it works

[@jaiqi]

@@TheFreshSpam But, should you trust a world-class architect or some people on the internet?

[@TheFreshSpam]

@@jaiqi The people also calling it a failure are qualified experts. It's not just the public saying it

[@jaiqi]

@@TheFreshSpam sooo people on the internet? Sure it may have a rough beginning but can't just call it a failure. As the video indicates. Time will tell, especially since the B1M claim is from 2018 and the building is still standing and lighting up today.

[@TheFreshSpam]

@@jaiqipeople from the internet? what? There are QUALIFED architects and engineers who criticize the building. Get over it. It's not gods creation, it has flaws.

[@taboobunny9186]

i think this is the building that inspires the fictional one in the movie Skyscraper....fascinating

[@defencebangladesh4068]

yeah

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

There were many more features to save money in this skyscraper such as workers didn't have any fall protection even while climbing an outside wall!! Such an ''amazing'' project indeed... (3:34 if you missed that)

[@cisscanadianinternationals6650]

CGTN is ridiculous! A ‘National’ Media made this whole video in response against a smaller corporate who is just trying to educate people around the world about the obvious truth behind the world’s weirdest looking tower? Damn boy, that’s rad!:)) P/S Wasn’t the tower also designed by westerners and not Chinese?

[@victornderu143]

BM1 must be very proud you even responded.

[@tywhite7365]

Beautiful.

[@trythinking8024]

I had watched the B1M video a few months back and wondered if it was true. Thank you for the clarification

[@tluangasailo3663]

Yet, safe to say it's TRUE, still 30% empty

[@Madraxoo]

@@tluangasailo3663 aint that the truth

[@Amidat]

@@tluangasailo3663 so are many huge office buildings in the world... what's your point?? this is still attracting tenants

[@fireturkeyfly11]

@@Amidat the point is that a lot mega tall building projects are build to impress, does not necessarily translate to guarantee full occupancy. They are expensive.

[@ricardocabrera8344]

Remember this is a ccp sponsored channel

[@SpacePorridge]

To be honest, this video is straw-manning the B1M's video. This video makes it seem as if the B1M was calling the design/architecture of the building a failure which is not true. The B1M mentions all the same points this video mentions on the design including the air dynamics, ecosystems and so on. From 1:00 until 4:40 this video speaks about the design and architecture of the building which the B1M wasn't talking about and many of the points made here were also brought up in the B1M video! Also, from 4:50 onward, the video talks about the top floors being a hotel making the B1M appear ignorant, but the B1M mentions that in their video. From 5:10 this video address the occupancy rate and then uses an out of context clip from the B1M talking about half the tower not lighting up. But this isn't the reason the B1M gives for its low occupancy rate. The B1M talks about the occupancy rate being due to fire safety concerns and high lease prices midst a fall in office demand in the area. This video takes B1M video clips out of context making it look as if the B1M was making an argument that they were not making. I think the B1M would agree that the building is well designed and built and that the chief architects did a great job building a building that met the requirements of the owners. That wasn't the B1M's argument. From my understanding, the B1M was bringing into question the owners decision to build a building that, at the time of completion, failed to meet the demand of the market and therefore failed to be the symbolic structure it was designed to be and how it struggled to attract international tenants and how it was plagued with so many challenges. That was the B1Ms argument, none of which is addressed by this video at all. I am not saying that the B1M's argument is right or wrong but what I am saying that taking B1M's video out of context and straw-manning an argument that they didn't make is wrong regardless of whether the building failed or not.

[@Codraroll]

Indeed. The video comes across as a fancy, but sorry attempt at deflecting the criticism instead of actually meeting it. But hey, what can one expect from a government which bans all forms of criticism and so has no experience actually dealing with it.

[@mohsin9779]

Love the way how Marshall explains different concepts.

[@GamerFollower]

I dont really see how a building could be a failure unless it collapses

[@twelvemast]

Great report! The view in SH is amazing!

[@Dragonblaster1]

I worked for 18 months in Shanghai, with the company apartment on Pudong Liu just down the road from where the Shanghai Tower was being built. By the time I finished working for that company, the Shanghai Tower had just surpassed the height of the Bottle Opener next door.

[@nicholasshade1366]

***** I LOVE THE SHANGHAI TOWER *****

[@thefreemonk6938]

Lmao bottle opener

[@Dragonblaster1]

@@thefreemonk6938 That’s what they call it.

[@puterrawrr]

Malaysia with their PNB 118: HOLD MY TEH TARIK AND REPLACE IT WITH YOUR CHINESE TEA!!!!

[@patrickxravis3251]

Hahah gg awak nak maggie

[@apexpredator6631]

@Papyrus Okagbue Where are you from? Just curious.

[@franciscosalcedo8754]

Freedom Tower 2.0

[@downundabrotha]

So it took them 6 years to get to 70% occupancy? That's a failed building. Burj Khalifa was 80% in 2 years.

[@REIDAE]

Unlike westerners, the chinese actually look at things in the long term and getting profits immediately after construction to satisfy shareholders is not the only thing on their minds. The whole reason why china is actually able to build infrastructure rapidly and not spend a decade debating over whether oe not to building something. The only failure here is your inability to look past whats right in front of you.

[@sambeaumont395]

I would think that a 70% occupancy rate is pretty bad.

[@brennencox516]

Can that 70% occupancy rate be independently verified?

[@brennencox516]

@John Wilharm The video said it's because of a luxury hotel that has yet to open up. Only trust businessmen and politicians as far as you can throw them. Or if that doesn't make sense to you. Actions are the only thing that matter, until they do what they say they will, there's no reason to believe them. Also John, CGTN will never air anything that might 'make china look bad'. To say this tower was a failure would, in the eyes of the Chinese government, make it look bad. But if you can find a CGTN video that is critical of the Chinese government, please share it with me.

[@sambeaumont395]

@John Wilharm - the hotel is already occupying the building it just has not opened yet and is therefore very likely to be included within that 70% occupancy.

[@aadilahmad9539]

Pak China Relation Forever.. Great China Lots of Respect and Love from your "iron Brother" pakistan

[@vkray]

Nobody cares about Pakistan . Please fix your economy and challenge the world. Pakistan have huge potential to become a economy hub. Then everybody will respect you. Best of luck about your future.

[@annielam211]

Sincerely thank you! Greeting from China(◎｀・ω・´)人(´・ω・｀*)

[@tre4993]

Victor Ray China is investing $400B in Pakistan to help it become a world power.

[@aadilahmad9539]

@@tre4993 China pakistan close Ally and partner since 1960s

[@tre4993]

Aadil ahmad The Future is China & Pakistan 🇨🇳 🇵🇰

[@darnishidzhar]

Merdeka Tower 118 (second tallest building in the world) *take note

[@vincentdesun]

u know buildings that are unfinished does not count in the ranking right? otherwise Merdeka wouldn't even make into the top5 list.

[@altoic1]

@@vincentdesun itll be top 2 soon

[@shanghaiisbetterthannewyor5509]

With a 150 meter spire....without that spite it wouldn't even make it to the top ten tallest building.

[@shukriwafiq5220]

@@shanghaiisbetterthannewyor5509 You can climb the spire as a tourist to a height above 600m, tallest observatory in the world. You think the spire is as thin as the one on the Petronas Towers? No. they're huge. And it's the design of the silhouette of our first PM, please don't send hate. I love every country okay.

[@franciscosalcedo8754]

The freedom tower 2.0

[@alvaro4k]

No way the second skin only costs $80M. Soo much Architecturally exposed structural steel, plus the glazing system, had to be more than 80, or at least it would in the US.

[@alvaro4k]

@@kickseek Either way of saying it "more than a traditional system" or "the second skin costs 80M" is the same thing.

[@alvaro4k]

@@kickseek I was thinking about that this morning, but still, $80M seems low based on all the additional structural components needed, but that's probably not taken into account. I guess it's possible if the interior skin is designed to be more architectural than anything, not taking any building load, less layers of laminations. It's more of a window wall or storefront system than a true curtain wall.

[@xyleblack2545]

They just cut costs with workers safety.

[@artistjoh]

This “fail” idea due to occupancy rate is ridiculous. The Empire State Building in New York, built in 1930 did not reach a profitable occupancy rate until the early 1950’s but no one considers it a failed building because it took more than 20 years to become profitable. On the contrary, it was held up as an example of a successful mega-project for decades. Anyone who thinks that a mega-project must make its return on investment inside 5 years is unrealistic. It seems to me that this building is very successful in terms efficiency and habitibility, and an occupancy rate of 70% at this early stage is very good.

[@dand5829]

Do you really expect a video funded by the Chinese government to say that the flagship building tower (also funded by the government) in their flagship city is a failure?

[@JonathanMartin884]

You realize you'd likely get the same thing from any megacorporation, though, right? It's not like propaganda is unique to the Chinese government. Capitalist businesses do this all the time.

[@carlhartwell7978]

@@JonathanMartin884 Yeah, but they don't engage in religious intolerance, mass imprisonment and mass murder, so much. Plus, if it wasn't for the helpful info from youtube, one might just assume it's an unbiased report, I think that's more the point of the OP. At least when a western corporation engages in propaganda, it's usually quite transparently from them.

[@carlhartwell7978]

@@TheCynicsCynic I'm not saying they do, but I'm not going to be impressed by anything such a detestable state does, disavowed. They can give their people, the people of Tibet, Hong Kong and the Uyghurs freedom before impressing me with a skyscraper.... _lol_

[@Hamzep-ri6ci]

your knowledge is google which doesn't have info about it since its banned their I've been there and its not empty more than 80 percent of its area to use its in use.

[@InternationalPolitics-d1j]

Sustainability is the only thing that matters. Well done, China!

[@goutvols103]

Imagine being in an office building with no air circulation. Oh, but wait, you can look at the trees.

[@KutWrite]

So the building was successful at one thing: Breaking wind.

[@scrapperpun5553]

That joke was a total gas.....it was some ripping humor. I came up with these jokes to pass the time. Reminds me of the propane truck driver....he's paid to pass gas.

[@brothergoodfoot]

The green features of this building are really cool! I wish them success.

[@ericv8660]

When the communist regime allows for propaganda on youtube but won't give its people access

[@buzzofftoxicblog791]

Democracy NOW with out toxic oil

[@tjintoronto2814]

Failed or not, it’s still an absolutely beautiful building! And as a Torontonian, I’m jealous as all hell!

[@dcarbs2979]

I wouldn't be. CN Tower is far better, and I've done the Edgewalk!

[@maxinator2002]

@@dcarbs2979 Have you ever been to the Shanghai Tower?

[@dcarbs2979]

@@maxinator2002 No. They'd have to change the country it's in first.

[@maxinator2002]

@@dcarbs2979 Well that's why you think the CN Tower is better: you've never been to the Shanghai Tower! Why wouldn't you want to visit China?

[@dcarbs2979]

@@maxinator2002 Why would you want to? You don't know what you might catch for one. Visiting simply endorses their abhorent political regime and domestic (Chinese) slavery too.

[@heyguyswhatshappening6210]

What about the water leak ? I didn’t know. They had an indoor waterfall feature lol

[@eliasziad7864]

Hydroelectric power?

[@kingofapex9493]

Some pipes broke, could've happened to any building, even your home.

[@fireturkeyfly11]

@@kingofapex9493 it happened during a heavy rain.

[@kingofapex9493]

@@fireturkeyfly11 so? it's one of those rainwater collection pipes broke.

[@fireturkeyfly11]

@@kingofapex9493 yeah, someone step on it.

[@ggoddkkiller1342]

There were many more features to save money in this skyscraper such as workers didn't have any fall protection even while climbing an outside wall!! Such an ''amazing'' project indeed... (3:34 if you missed that)

[@rickj1983]

So the lack of occupancy is due to a soon to open hotel. Love how people twist words to make something look bad when it's not true at all.

[@p.schmidt7032]

This is a Communist Party propaganda channel, so take that with a grain (or maybe a bag) of salt.

[@TheMightyShell]

@@p.schmidt7032 I trust communist propaganda more than capitalist propaganda

[@p.schmidt7032]

​@@TheMightyShell 80 million murdered children, women and men. And you like it? Are you a monster?

[@papaechozulu3737]

@@p.schmidt7032 Commies are all time world champs at genocide.

[@duradim1]

@@TheMightyShell you are a fool.

[@wgarlt1659]

Has it failed? "It is too soon to say." That's what Chairman Mao said when asked what the historical importance of the French Revolution of 1789 is.

[@kennarajora6532]

that was Zhou Enlai though.

[@realtissaye]

LOL

[@ThorusCrusius]

China is beautiful that's why the USA is jealous.

[@DaneReidVoiceOver]

Being that this is a Chinese state run media channel, I'll look to B1M for the truth

[@whitmancity1452]

I didnt realize that, until I saw your comment. Half of this is prolly bs

[@ericochoahernandez6924]

Seriously thats why i couldnt belive that the Chinese propaganda went out there way to diss b1m and make there lame excuse lol

[@ycyang2698]

Western fake news propaganda is definitely working. Everything about a China became political in your washed little brains.

[@thedownwardmachine]

The floor plan looks like it was inspired by a rotary engine, and seems to have met with the same level of success.

[@mrhdebater1607]

The rotary was an inefficient design, while this building is built on efficiency.

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

Just because it's cheaper to heat doesn't mean it's a success. Just because it saved 80 million in building costs doesn't mean it's a success. Just because it's efficient doesn't mean it's a success.

[@paperflight5803]

B1M is a channel who list California high speed train as the one of the most legacy project in human history, together with Zhuhai-Marcow-Hongkong bridge.

[@khodahh]

Yep!

[@danielnyu500]

The chief architecture is a savage

[@crymeaariver]

Nope he's fat

[@barthennin6088]

The building designer needs to get his facts straight. He says, "So that's the difference between planning in China and planning in America. China is one of the few countries that is really pushing sustainability" (i.e. green buildings)... What propagandist poppycock...IN FACT, China continues to build new dirty coal-burning plants in record numbers... As of Nov 2019, In addition to roughly 1,000 gigawatts of existing coal capacity, China has 121 gigawatts of coal plants under construction, which is more than is being built in the rest of the world combined. MEANWHILE, the USA is the ONLY COUNTRY to meet (and exceed) the reduced greenhouse gas emissions set by the Paris Accords (even though they withdrew from said accords).

[@mauricerose3082]

...the minute you hear somebody propose constructing a tower named the Nebuchadnezzar...

[@alos.h256]

I was there about 4 yrs ago and it's extremely impressive. Really takes your breath away.

[@channelsixtysix066]

"Is the world's second tallest building a "failed building"?" - Is this just clickbait alluding to something else, other than a mere financial problem? It's a beautiful building with sustainable construction.

[@naamjevaenihunxa225]

Science and engineering marvel always amazed me.I always loved B1M channels presentation.i never thought they are influence by western hretoric.

[@fireturkeyfly11]

What makes you think you can trust CGTN more than B1M and vice versa?

[@xyleblack2545]

That's not how news work. Rightfully pointing out mistakes on an chinese project doesn't mean you are influenced by anyone. 😂 B1M stated his (I would argue) educated opinion.

[@justinlzy]

Came straight from B1M, anyone?

[@Sam-mo6cp]

B1M really got roasted by the literal architect 💀

[@dennisverweij4817]

You do realize, Fred Mills, the presenter for B1M and its founder, graduated with an architecture degree and worked in the industry for a decade before making the channel.

[@Sam-mo6cp]

Dennis Verweij ummm yes?

[@patchy64]

It's a Chinese government run channel and they literally cried over a youtube channel criticising a video

[@NA-ck6cz]

@@dennisverweij4817 Yet the actual architect of the building easily debunked the bim

[@Amidat]

@@dennisverweij4817 sounds like he was jealous he didn't get the project because he should have sense to know it was WAY too early to call it a failure based on numbers in 2018. If they had any integrity they would say it would take another decade to judge the project

[@vadillo1]

"70 % occupancy meets our expectations..." Maybe they should have made it 30% smaller then. Just saying...

[@greenspiraldragon]

Sears tower occupancy is 95%. But it seems like a solid well planned building that has good long range planning.

[@sssharefff]

Malaysian PNB118: *am i a joke to u?*

[@nguyen3545]

It hasn't finished yet and it will only stand taller because of the spire

[@amdsfl6761]

@@nguyen3545 Burj Khalifah emmmm me to

[@ItsPieManHD]

@@amdsfl6761 do you know what the word second means

[@amdsfl6761]

@@ItsPieManHD burj khalifah spire long about 244M..but pnb118 only about 150M so?? Which one is more taller

[@sssharefff]

@@nguyen3545 malaysia is a wet and humid country... They get thunderstorms everyday in the monsoon season... The spire is there for a reason to conduct lightning... Same reason for the Petronas Tower...

[@d_1012]

The building was apparently leaking during rain 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@fireturkeyfly11]

In China, mega projects are build to impress, in the west less impress but build to last.

[@travcollier]

That happens with pretty much every new building of any size. Especially when it is one of these designs where basically every piece of the skin is different. There are valid criticisms, but the leak thing really isn't one of them. If it is still leaking regularly in a couple of years, then it is a design/construction issue... Know a few buildings like that (Stata Center at MIT is an example).

[@reygus7]

China has been responsible for one-third of global economic growth since 2009. By 2030 it will account for around 30% of global GDP. China is the crucial player in the global economy and that will be true on a far greater scale in future.

[@kzm5956]

And let's not forget how much China contirubutes in pollution and global warming

[@reygus7]

KZM Shopper you mean the U.K. During the industrial revolution? Learn some history

[@kzm5956]

If they're going to be respected globally, especially in the West & Europe, they're going have to do their part environmentally moving forward. Bringing up Industrial Revolution from several hundred years (you might as well bring up Roman Empire) isn't exactly finding a solution, is it? And just a note: 99% of these Chinese megatowers are designed & engineered by North American & European firms ;)

[@reygus7]

​@@kzm5956 so what? China is not looking to be "respected "by the west in any way, they have another vision. The west feels superior and because of that is falling and getting stuck without innovation nor improvement. Also, China is pushing forward for environmental protection in a much faster way than any western superpower during their industrialization period, do some research before accusing). In addition, China invented the civil service system to administer the government. It developed into a rigorous examination system whereby those who pass local exam would take provincial exams, then the passers would take national exams. The exams would be given in government compounds where takers would be isolated in cubicles to ensure impartiality, and the exams might take days to complete. Those who passed local exams usually became teachers, and those who passed higher level exams would be assigned to posts in the government. Compared to other countries’ haphazard, poke-in-the-dark appointment of officials, the Chinese system was impartial, meritocratic, and offered equal opportunity to all. It was an upward mobility route for poor families who had smart children. It encouraged scholarship, learning, analysis of historical and cultural affairs, and thinking. It fosters scholarship as the route to a better life in China and other Confucian cultures today. England copied this Chinese civil service examination system in 18th century, then other Western nations copied it into their governments. In US, while politicians are elected to and out of office periodically, the government machinery is seamlessly administered by federal, state and local civil service personnel. To get a job in civil service, applicants have to pass clearly defined exams to demonstrate relevant competency. Grab some books, to understand the present we have to look back the past.

[@heyguyswhatshappening6210]

China is just cheap buddy that’s all if they were so sure of themselves they wouldn’t need to devalue their currency and the government wouldn’t need to subsidise most of China’s businesses.

[@garycarter01]

I'm not normally a particular fan of modern buildings but I have to say I would love to visit this one. It just seems right in so many senses; although I've only seen this video and know nothing more about the tower.

[@cassieoz1702]

Oh the old architect's excuse. "You just don't understand my building"

[@frederickfarias9515]

It's usually true.

[@cassieoz1702]

@@frederickfarias9515 it's usually an excuse for why it won awards but is totally unliveable

[@jeebuschristos8423]

I thought that terrorists took over this building and destroyed most of it, despite all the efforts of The Rock to stop them...

[@TheGrandmaster1]

No that building was much taller, like a half mile or something. It was ridiculously tall. And the Rock did stop them. Well they set it on fire first, but he saved his family. And he beat them up. With one leg.

[@roberttaylor6577]

All fad I’m 50 now and you can’t beat classical architecture

[@112313]

that's the difference between china and america....in china, the government or corporations build for long term use, while in america, its built for profit.

[@Arijim33]

it’s a well known fact that the vast majority of builds it’s done with substandard materials in China (specially residential buildings) to cut cost and make profit, that’s why the term “tofu buildings” came from, let alone the force displacement, illegal demolitions and unreasonable compensation to force people out for new build projects.

[@112313]

A well known false fact you mean. It may be so in the very early days, but do you know where those contractors using substandard materials went? Probably the gallows. And as for the forcing ppl to leave their houses or land, every country has an eminent domain laws (iirc), and since all land belonged to the state in china, some eggs will be cracked.

[@Arijim33]

112313 112313 there is no such thing as “false facts” 😂 .. you can go to any big city in China and notice that even new building have all sorts of problems right after being build such as crack walls (that get fix with plain white paint lol), plumbing issues, rip off roof (leakage), unfitting windows, electrical issues, so I will say it’s a combination of poor materials along with unprofessional labor in China, Chinese people know this so they don’t even bother complaining because it’s useless some fix it and some don’t give a damn, most countries use the domain laws for city infrastructure such as roads , bridges, train roads, etc. in China you get push out for private investment projects that benefit the investors instead of the people as a whole.

[@112313]

@@Arijim33 false facts is what is called fake news, shaped by a hostile media against any target they deem fit to drive up viewership or readership, ie, its propaganda. The problems you mentioned is real, yes, it happens, sure. However, all cities and towns in the whole world suffers from the same problem, and it is really eye opening when all these are not highlighted, but only China's shortcomings are especially highlighted.

[@Arijim33]

112313 of you meant “fake news” “propaganda “😂 yeah there is some/many depending on who you ask.. fake news and propaganda is not universally bundle like in China therefore audiences (if they choose to) in the west can easily call on media’s BS and search for the truth since there is access to reliable/trustworthy sources without conflict of interest available locally or internationally.

[@karthik448]

Feel lucky to have visited both the Burj khalifa and the Shanghai tower last year.. Stayed at the Jin Mao tower during my visit too. Amazing buildings all of them.

[@dongshengdi773]

The Point that the question is being asked in the first place … You already know the Answer.

[@hazriizwan6756]

Karen: I want to see your manager... NOW!!!

[@cutratecontractor1000]

Diwanese

[@platin2148]

Ähh he knows that these tee cans mostly have vaccum in the outer layer which actually makes it not loose as much energy.

[@xsoireg]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Outstanding. Well done to Shanghai and to the architects of this beauty

[@Bailey110489]

Wow.Looks so cool,everyone thinks they are architect these days😂🤣

[@CodingWithAsad]

is that a another way to say "yeah it failed"

[@6mdm]

Marshall Strabala is an absolute genius in architectural design and innovation. A legend in the game.

[@timothyterrell1658]

Chinese construction? I'm staying far away from that!

[@willembecker957]

Yeah. You are right. Better American constructions like the twin towers in New York. At least those towers felt gracefully within 9 seconds on their footprint.

[@tomjones8610]

@@willembecker957 That 9 second free fall confirms beyond doubt that extensive - including exotic - demolition technology was employed.

[@willembecker957]

@@tomjones8610 Yes. You are right. My reply was meant sarcastic. I was wondering how the US Government could explain how some terrorists, from a cave in Afghanistan, could undermine the buildings so sophisticated from inside without notice.

[@tomjones8610]

@@willembecker957 Look no further than the '5 Dancihg I s r a e l i s' wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

[@paulskopic5844]

Will this building be affected when the Three Gorges Dam fails?

[@pedinomefaux]

Probably not. However, it may have a devastating effect on your neurons.

[@paulskopic5844]

@@pedinomefaux If your scared......say your scared.

[@nikkisixx29]

its very odd that there aren't many videos of inside......

[@crayon_logic444]

Wow, the designer of the Shanghai tower says its not a failure! Clase closed good night.

[@clansman89]

And this video was made by Chinese propagandist international news channel. The very fact they did this as a response to a KZbin video says a lot.