Have Turkey’s building designs impacted the earthquake death toll? - BBC Newsnight

As the consequences of the devastating earthquakes in Turkey and Syria have become clear, attention has turned to why the impact has been so great.
For example, a 2014 quake just off the coast of Chile - slightly larger at a magnitude of 8.2 - resulted in just 7 fatalities.
Anger is growing in Turkey that poor enforcement of regulations contributed to the collapse of many buildings in the recent earthquakes.
The BBC has verified examples of recently built blocks that collapsed in the latest disaster.
One in Malatya was finished last year. Screenshots circulating on social media showed an advert saying it was "completed in compliance with the latest earthquake regulations."
Newsnight’s Science and Technology Correspondent Kate Lamble looks at the country’s history of earthquake-resistant building and the lessons it has learnt from previous quakes.
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[@tigerexo6577]

Yes. Construction sector is actually very very dark and corrupted. Those people, they don’t care about human lives. They only care about profits earned. I wonder, can they still sleep peacefully at night? The money they use to buy luxury houses and cars and things… can they use it without guilt? These people are scary.

[@TenTenJ]

That’s absolutely right. Not only is there corruption but the entire government is messed up spending all of the money they get from all the other countries in the world to instead attack other countries around them.

[@kakimbirisam863]

What your saying is true, forexample I myself right now I stay in Konya state but Houses in Konya are old fashioned, if such earthquake cames this side we can’t survive

[@youssefcamara3916]

Who give them the construction permit in the first place.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

@@youssefcamara3916 Erdogan because they sponsored his party.

[@mgshabbire311]

@@ankhmorpok1497 idiot

[@vihmaussivenitaja]

In 2010 Chile had an earthquake that was more than 1 point stronger of magnitude (8.8, 6th strongest ever recorded, it was so strong it changed the axis of the earth and made the day 1.26 microseconds shorter), it lasted one minute longer, happened in densely populated area, and also in the middle of the night when people were indoors sleeping. Only 525 dead plus 25 remained missing. Pictures show buildings broken in half, heavily tilted, even displaced so they ended up in the middle of the street, but NOT COLLAPSED INTO RUBBLE. Chile has one of the best levels of earthquake proof construction, which is actually enforced and monitored by the state, and it saved tens of thousands of lives. Turkey also had a lot of public investment money for that purpose since the last big earthquake but most of it fell victim to government corruption, and never reached the walls and floors of the houses people lived in.

[@iremcelik7804]

Maalesef öyle oldu. Umarım buna sebep olanların vicdanları az da olsa sızlıyordur. Lakin hala sizin bile fark ettiği gerçekleri fark edemeyen vatandaşlarımız var ve bunun sonuçlarını çok ağır ödüyoruz.

[@hgsyavuz1230]

This is not the first time there has been an earthquake in Turkey. In 1999, there was a big earthquake in the marmara. There was a destructive earthquake in Izmir 2 years ago. The camel doesn't do enough inspections. A building younger than 1 year was built in the city of Malatya. They were sold for 3 million liras and the statement said that it had earthquake-resistant concrete and iron. People always research this when buying a house, but even new buildings lack materials.

[@dsaddfgs1186]

earthquake destruction doesnt usually have realation with magnitude it is about fault line distance from city center also earthquake distance from surface it was too close to surface about 5 km also houses were builded over faultline meaning houses ar right over the fault line ! imagine droping 600 atomic bomb 5 km under surface right beneath you ! that explains th edestruction also it combined with poor structure quality that was the chaos

[@abdalrhmanmohammed3232]

Here is full vid you have been waiting for so long: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWOynJyDa7OXgqM

[@Fenathegreat]

They didn't care to help because the people living there are Kurds and they actively try to kill them so imagine their luck

[@Abcflc]

So Turkey is like my home country of Argentina: we have robust laws but they are ignored due to corruption.

[@iremcelik7804]

Yes :(

[@abdalrhmanmohammed3232]

Here is full vid you have been waiting for so long: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4Lbm2uQrZdraZo

[@Ekim1740]

All countries are like. Contructors will do this if not checked.

[@ayar457]

Human greed always kills 😡

[@JohnSmith-fz1wh]

NATO weather weapons kill a lot of people.

[@noonstars]

so I don't live in Turkey but Albania, which is another country in the Balkan area. I live very close to a construction site which has been in development since at least June of last year. They hardly use rebar and consistently pour unevenly on surfaces. They use low cost brick. They use a shoot to throw the debris down, where it also damages the bottom floors. I've never seen so much debris created from building. It doesn't make any real sense to me. I wasn't here to see if they poured any rebar in the foundation. But it looks so...shoddy. It just keeps getting taller. It's now at 10 floors. It replaced a school. So many buildings here are made with the lowest quality materials, unskilled workers, and haphazard safety protocols. The workers are barely paid a living wage and there are exorbitant layers of corrupt bureaucrats, construction businesses, and money laundering. Probably similar stuff happening in Turkey.

[@alis.b.4631]

i'm from turkey and i think you perfectly described what goes on here as well. it's just absolutely sad that human lives are not cared about at all. they only care about the profit they'll make.

[@5threelborn]

Albania people are ....

[@georgevavoulis4758]

This is a problem in EVERY country . If you're building a new house you literally need to watch them build everything from start to finish

[@freedombro6502]

Demand better from your people then!

[@freedombro6502]

@@georgevavoulis4758 nah man in the west we good !

[@jewelv]

They should call on Japan for advice on earthquake resistant buildings! They don't have to make skyscrapers but buildings three or four floors! I believe that the government has the necessary resources they just have to invest more for the population rather than keeping some for themselves 🙄

[@alisonlee3314]

Yes. Turkish people have been paying an earthquake tax for many, many years. Where has that gone??? 😡

[@aliatack19]

Actually, the problem is not that we don't know how to build proper buildings but it's the lack of morality and corruption. Erdogan and the statesmen before him ignored the ongoing corruption and the judiciary doesn't touch anyone who has links to the government. A corrupt, terrible government Turkey has.

[@jewelv]

@@alisonlee3314 A tax for earthquakes!?🙄 And after such an earthquake their governments don't give them more support!? People deserve so much better! If there is so much misery in the world and injustice it is because of it's top leaders who think only of their own interests!

[@Legalisenuclearclams]

@@iremcelik7804 I'm sorry to hear what has happened to your people. I hope you are doing okay

[@acal4132]

As a matter of fact, Japan already helped it quite a few years ago for Turkey. That’s why Turkey made the constitution rules as a earthquake country like Japan, but unfortunately they did not fix right away. To fix the old buildings will take so much time and money. Turkey culture is so much different from Japan. Even though Japan helps Turkey, I don’t know how much they take it seriously. I feel so sad about it. And not only about the buildings, people needs education how to prepare for the earthquake. Japanese people are willing to help for it.

[@estherrogers5553]

If i was a citizen of Turkey I would be furious with my government

[@iremcelik7804]

Zaten kızıyoruz. Neden Türkiye dünyanın en sinirli ülkelerinde başlarda sanıyorsunuz.

[@unnagathaking]

But you cant say that on turkey such as turks.

[@alis.b.4631]

a lot of people are. right now, more than maybe ever.

[@rottenheavenly6245]

The Turkish people see what’s going on and always decide to turn a blind eye to it. Probably end up re-electing Erdogan again even though he’s responsible and has driven the economy into the ground..even then a large number will still vote for him…why…he’s a religion man…building mosques by the thousands…

[@arifkilic5202]

We are my friend, we are. We are waiting our time with the demon

[@markfrancis5164]

Anyone who has holidayed in Turkey and millions of Brits have - are very aware of the terrible building standards throughout Turkey. Considering they have two active and destructive geologic faults, a lack of quality and standards enforcement is directly to blame for the level of deaths and injuries with this earthquake.

[@abdalrhmanmohammed3232]

Here is full vid you have been waiting for so long: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWOynJyDa7OXgqM

[@TenTenJ]

Perhaps they should spend some of the gazillions of money that they get from the West to improve their infrastructure rather than use it on the military to attack their neighbors.

[@_Redronin_]

@@ZeuzBluez What does this have to do with Islam, even in the Balkans and Greece, buildings are built this way. In Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which is an Islamic country, buildings are built with better quality than many European countries. This is all about corruption and the economy.

[@rottenheavenly6245]

True…i lived there for 3 years i had the experience of using their cement and sands…a complete disaster

[@Kitty-JuneOhSixJanTwentyFour]

Not 2, Turkey has 3 active and destructive geologic faults, the West Anatolian Fault which covers almost all west side coastal cities, was not shown in this news. İzmir, which had a terrible earthquake 2 years ago, is one of the cities effected by that 3rd fault.

[@gilbertplays]

Each time I saw a collapsed building footage. For some reason I don't even see a core or metal supports just concrete. I'm no engineer, but our house has a skeletal frame and we have a small house as we live in one of the most seismicly active countries in the world, I nearly dont see that in the rubble of those collapsed buildings.

[@nowirehangers2815]

No rebar just rubble

[@allinengineering8168]

Mr Dr. Gillbert Plays scientist it is not related with rebars

[@steveyavuzcehre3812]

Definitely. Some off the buildings they checked.. contractors had used beach sand to mix with cement.. The whole system needs to be overhauled and the contractors, builders and inspectors needs to be investigated and if found guilty , thry should be charged with multiple murder charges. There are lot of bribery within the system.

[@richardwyse7817]

no Politicians or prosecutors appear to be on the "must arrest " list?...maybe shortly

[@jasonbourne7499]

Corruption has led to the majority of buildings not complying to government regulations.

[@geoffbenoy2052]

My brother lived in Turkey and had a Mason built. He told me that you can't believe how they cheat on the building material. Less cement, poor quality bricks and near the sea just use beach sand. No wonder everything tumbles down.

[@David1991.]

Lay off the drugs kiddo.

[@gumballdarwin2330]

I see

[@SandeepSingh-or7jr]

Ask for Japan assistance best for earthquake proof structure

[@PickyPaige]

Or better yet, don't elect Erdogan's corrupt ass again!

[@Hozgen]

these buildings are at least 50 years old and many people are low income people. There many different ethnic groups etc. And they are old cities. Even Japan accepted the earthquake would devastate each strong structure. Imagine they are living on fault and this happened only 5 km depth. Japan ocean - earthquakes are completely different.

[@erencanayhan8514]

Look at japans gdp per capita, look at turkeys gdp per capita, think about whether an average turkish citizen can afford an apartment that was built for the same cost it is built in japan. Turkey has its own engineers who find cheeper and more realistic solutions for the situation on the ground. The guilt doesnt lie with the lack of knowledge about earthquake proofness or lack of assistance, it lies with the people who dont listen to engineers to fill their pockets.

[@RUHappyATM]

@@erencanayhan8514 I agree. IMHO, Turkey does not have the GDP nor will to build adequate anti-quake high rises.

[@luigi55125]

The earthquake destroyed a 2,000 year old roman castle. 2000 years with no issues. Couldn't have seen it coming.

[@SeymourClevage]

When building in Turkey it is standard practice if you have the money to hand the inspector an envelope while you are taking him out to dinner, sometimes if you are a trusted builder the inspector will never even look at the building.

[@34Mitmit]

As a Turk, I totally agree.

[@jasonlawrence4617]

It appears that one of the worlds largest exporters of rebar only uses it very sparingly in their own construction. The floors of all those buildings just slid off from each other. They were poured one floor at a time with no rebar sticking out to lock the next floor in, and the rebar in the floors looks to be 6-8 feet apart. It out to be 12-16 inches apart. There should be rebar sticking up all over the place, but there isn't because it wasn't used.

[@TenTenJ]

Oh thank you for explaining that.

[@peacenow42]

wow! you already got into all the rubble to figure that out. eh?

[@Peyp59]

small construction companies are generally uneducated people.. most of them have political connections and thus they earn money..our people knowingly vote and pay their own killers, that's all.

[@Peyp59]

There are shepherds who opened a construction company by selling 100 sheep. Now I know shepherds who travel in luxury vehicles. The only thing he did in the village was to clean the sheep's ass with an old car.. how can that man build a building.. politicians get involved there, they get good money and they get rich from both sides.

[@peacenow42]

@@Peyp59 ok thanks for that imagery bud

[@AdorableSenses_AdoraReal1]

Corruption!! I can’t see any structural engineering, scientific knowledge or construction management skills in those ruined buildings. Any international certification or license to be allowed to build 8 or 15 floors like that?? I survived the earthquake in 1999 in Turkey! I lost many friends who were good people! We are not here to blame anyone! Everybody should have done their responsibilities right. This is not lack of mathematics, is lack of morality!! You can see beautiful, safe and sufficient building capacities based on the facts of the geographical requirements in Scandinavian countries. Why is Turkey left alone with its destiny to sacrifice more innocent souls aftermath an horrific earthquake every decade by its own poor construction regulations, buildings standards and codes and practices???

[@abdalrhmanmohammed3232]

Here is full vid you have been waiting for so long: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWOynJyDa7OXgqM

[@TinhaRolfsdotter]

They changed the construction rules but didn't make sure that they were followed. The construction amnesties plays a big part in these deaths.

[@richardwyse7817]

construction amnesia, more like!

[@user-zn3gd1zj4h]

So many buildings collapsed, and I can't imagine it will happen in Japan. A fragile structure of buildings need to be improved.

[@zenwisdom4259]

things can always be better but clearly, the building code needs to be updated and most importantly needs to be enforced. now, having said that an eartquick this big and this close to the surface ( 7 miles deep ) and 2 big ones within hours would've still caused a major damaged and high death toll.

[@chileanhussar2659]

Our worst earthquake in 1960 Valdivia resulted in the death of more than 6,000 people (though we had a lesser population ratio in Valdivia in 1960 than what happened in Turkey now). At the time, Chile was poor and corrupt, which led to the deaths of so many due to sub-standard buildings, but we improved from the 1970s onward with our new safety regulation. Our new regulation meant when a similar earthquake struck again in 2010, we reduced casualties to nearly 550. We are certainly unable to save everyone but good perpetration and regulation are the keys for our improvement. Sadly Erdogan has stolen the money for his palace building. Western Turkey and Eastern Turkey's disparity is also worth mentioning because most of Turkey's wealthiest financial cities are all in the west, whereas the earthquake location is in the poorer east.

[@alihanbas3531]

Since the depth in Chile is 35 km, I think it did not have much effect.

[@blackschecter5530]

As a Turkish person, you said this perfectly!👏👏

[@talhaabus]

All correct

[@Michael-fc4hc]

Just amazing, but out of curiosity, was the 2010 earthquake _that_ similar to the 1960 one? It was magnitude 8.8 in 2010, compared to magnitude 9.5 in 1960, which was caused by about 2.8 times more force.

[@pamelakilponen3682]

Corruption at every level.

[@jasonlawrence4617]

I think doing a short tour of the cities with multiple collapsed buildings you will find a lack of rebar in all of them. Rebar holds concrete together. 1 piece every 4-6 feet will keep the concrete together unless there is an outside force like an earthquake. Then it just crumbles.

[@yasinkalkanci]

hello, I live in Turkey, I wonder what is your profession, what did you study, do you have this information?

[@kyrcrupo71]

@@yasinkalkanci He is somebody who has access to free press and news where you can hear the opinions of experts addressing and debating openly in public in order to inform and educate.

[@geri8355]

In 2019 in Albania there was a 6.5 and some buildings collapsed, egineers found out that the iron used for the columns of 5+ store buildings was much thinner than it should have been. Companies do this to lower the cost but it costs lives. I believe in Turkey they have the same problem, corruption in monitoring and inspection services.

[@huwenkai440]

In China, when building something, sometimes you must provide some gifts to ensure the building meets the standard. I expect Turkey and many other countries like Argentina, Iran, India, Peru, Egypt and Algeria have the same practise. And this is how corruption worked.

[@chechenknightslaillaillall2047]

I blame Erdogan. He is corrupt and unwilling to improve infrastructures. He should have invested on this purpose rather than letting the damage like this. Syria is already war torn and many people have been displaced, but Turkey isn't. The way he abused Ukraine for his selfish gain during the Russian invasion made me angry. Turkey is very dear to me, the country had sheltered a lot of Chechens when Russia invaded our homeland, but Erdogan has turned Turkey into a gigantic circus.

[@blackpanthar906]

Erdogan was not there in 1999 when earthquake damaged and killed more people. The corruption is in the system and Erdogan needs to come up with a robust action plan and take action against officials responsible for it.

[@chechenknightslaillaillall2047]

@@blackpanthar906 I know Turkish system is not perfect but the 1999 Izmit earthquake was at level 10, far more violent than the 2023 earthquake (ranked level 9 on Mercalli system). Yet if the destruction is so horrific then only Erdogan is responsible for what happened.

[@bruhmcchaddeus413]

@@blackpanthar906 lol u fr comparing 1999 to 2022? You know iphones didnt exist back then right?

[@blackpanthar906]

@@chechenknightslaillaillall2047 the 1999 earthquake was a 7.6 magnitude earthquake. This 2023 earthquake is a 7.9 which makes it far more destructive. The 1999 earthquake caused a 8ft high Tsunami, this one did not. Erdogan is responsible for governance not bureaucratic corruption. However I do agree he needs to come up with strict action plan to put those guilty behind bars. If he fails to put these corrupt officials in jail then it would only mean that he is corrupt too. However I have hope he will punish them because I believe he is personally not a corrupt leader, Turkey became very strong under his leadership after 1999 earthquake.

[@TenTenJ]

Perhaps Erdogan should have spent some of the gazillions of money that he got and it’s still getting from the West to improve their infrastructure rather than use it on the military to attack their neighbors. And don’t be so heartfelt about Turkey as a human rights and compassion nation because believe me for all the people that they take in they get a lot of money for it. And look at how they spend it.

[@user-ti9bd8mj1o]

Много ещё живых под завалами, быстро, быстро надо всё делать.

[@guff9567]

The designs did not fail. As the designs were never earthquake proof in the first place.

[@allinengineering8168]

Thank God in so much ignorant people I found a person who really understands where is problem. The seismic ground accelerations were much higher than design accelerations in that region

[@guff9567]

@@allinengineering8168 So, wrong choice of ground acceleration. An capital offense.

[@mifanatie9000]

People saying "design" but mean "template design" this is architectures with transmitted from location to location errors.

[@hebneh]

You can have the strongest building code in the world, but if the rules are ignored and inspectors are bribed to look the other way - if there are any inspections at all - then this is what's going to happen.

[@peacenow42]

you forgot to add, and you get 2 back to back huge earthquakes and numerous large ones....

[@lynncooksandmore7201]

My prayers..

[@NCKwashere]

Thank you for telling me

[@boris8787]

Shocking!! That would never have happened in Chillingbourne. 💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@amarasheriff8790]

Which house can't be affected by an earthquake of 7.8 magnitude...damm!! Turkey has good engineers... may the their souls rest in peace ☮️

[@bill-wd7zs]

Generally speaking the poorer a country is the worse the standard of building is. I think of some of the dodgy plumbing I've done on my own house which ended up leaking because I couldn't afford to get a proper tradesman to do it in at the time. Transfer that situation to a whole country that is prone to earthquakes and this disaster is the end result.

[@peacenow42]

you forgot to mix in 2 huge earthquakes, numerous large ones, and social media opinions.

[@kevinwake8789]

The buildings went down exactly as they did back in 1999, and lots of the apartment blocks looked newly built, yet turkey has charged its citizens an earthquake tax since 1999 to help improve building conditions. With the first quake happening during the night in turkey and syria, the death toll will surpass 100,000.

[@aliatack19]

With that money, they bought new cars for themselves and built palaces all over the country, and made rich their relatives and friends.

[@Bylg81488]

We are very sad. You are so right.🥺

[@ScrewyDriverTheMan]

Even if some of the "building" MAY have had some earthquake-resistant parts, if the ground underneath down a FEW FLOORS into the ground were not secured, it won't make a bit of difference, it'll just collapse onto itself with its own weight, and, you can actually see, some of the building that had SOME of these earthquake-resistant parts within it held up on the higher floors and to the sides, but the ground gave way and that made them collapse. Those others that had NOTHING, no retro-fit (hahaha what a ridiculous idea to try to retro-fit these ancient buildings from a 100 years ago without taking them apart and re-building completely), literally turned into multi-level collapsed pancakes.

[@markus33able]

most likely

[@shambhoosharan9004]

Very remarkable report on the status of the following the regulations in the construction of the Buildings....

[@drakehonest2]

Hello how are you doing…?

[@alik4325]

sadly the building designs are not updating mostly oblong shaped flats. imagine paying small fee so that old buildings can still stay and most houses are rented...

[@gabrielmorales5185]

Before and after heartbreaking 💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@dexon777]

As a Turkish thank you for all aid from all over the world.

[@albertjohn2735]

Don't worry bro..that's is God help touching other heart to help,

[@Bylg81488]

@@albertjohn2735 thank you very much🥺🙏🙏

[@kyrcrupo71]

You are welcome. My sincere condolences for the victims and the sufferings of the Turkish people.

[@sweetchinmusic801]

BBC (Broadcasting British Colonialism) has completed its metamorphosis from a cruel, Colonialist Channel to a jihadi, Channel. The mouth piece of a thieving robber of a country which oppressed and killed millions over the centuries is now lecturing other countries on human rights. The colonial white man arrogance trying to influence other countries through BBC. They created a political hit job to target Indian Prime minister Narendra Modi and to portray him as anti Muslim (The irony of the British talking about human rights). And now his government is one of the fore most in helping turkey and Syria during the devastating earth quake (Even when Turkey and Erdogan was openly supporting the terror state Pakistan). The Indian ethos believes in humanity and 'World is one family'. We pray for Turkey and Syria. And the filthy colonial hypocrite called BBC is no where to be seen

[@Kitty-JuneOhSixJanTwentyFour]

We also have a West Anatolian Fault, which covers all of the west coastal cities.

[@dunebuggie]

Yes, but I imagine cost is an issue. It doesn't make it any less tragic.

[@sandeepkumar-gi1ze]

Turkey's architects NEED to FLEE the country Right now ...

[@elainevankat5353]

So true!

[@RUHappyATM]

Nah, the high-rise builders need to flee.

[@eudaimonia7867]

It's not the architects or engineers fault. It's the government's fault. They didn't demolish old buildings that were decided to be demolished just to get votes.

[@hgsyavuz1230]

I don't know if you've heard of the 1999 earthquake that won't make any difference. The Turkish state announced 18,000 deaths, but this lie killed more than 60,000 people. All the buildings built by an architect named Veli göçer collapsed and he went to prison due to the reaction of the people, but he managed to get out in 2011.

[@organicfarm5524]

why architects? It's a structural engineers' job to design earthquake resistant structures.

[@sklux6147]

From India, our heart goes out to those who are devastated by the unprecedented natural calamity in freezing winter. India for sure will be up there before anybody, Operation Dost already launched, to deliver humanitarian aid at this critical time. Incidentally, during covid period, Turkiye had refused shiploads of wheat from India, after reaching their ports, for flimsy reasons. That is karma which is inevitable. Nevermind, supply as much wheat as Turkiye is willing to accept from India. 🌾🪺🌽🚚🚑⛱️⛺❤️🪷🇮🇳 Vaasudhaiva Kutumbakam! Jai Hind!!

[@amii665]

This comment is typical of nationalist fanacitism that is being going on in India and of, to some extent, chauvinistic indoctrination since antiquity. Why r u so concerned about being boasting your nationality and its perceived reputation and prestige. We Indians can't help ourselves, but for prestige "Vashudhaiva Kutumbhkam" BS. This mentality of fake chauvinistic nationalism is nothing but hollow pride and false prestige. Aren't you a Bhakt also? Sentimental fool.

[@4cricket24]

dnt put ur stupid wheat comment to shame indians

[@richardwyse7817]

Thank you India......

[@Peyp59]

RUSSIANS DO NOT ACCEPT THOUSANDS OF TONS OF FRUIT AND VEGETABLES FROM TURKEY EVERY YEAR, BUT WE ARE NOT ENEMIES TO THE RUSSIA! WHY ARE YOU INDIAN ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE GOODNESS YOU HAVE DONE AS IF YOU ARE HELPING? IF YOU ARE TALKING FOR 100 MORE YEARS, DON'T SEND HELP HERE INDIAN.. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CITIZEN OF A COUNTRY THAT TALKS AS MUCH AS YOU

[@ahamedsinan356]

@@richardwyse7817 shame on you for saying karma, and praising your country. It’s just their wish what to accept or not not yours.

[@Happiness.789]

Definitely building design contributed to the High death toll. Japanese building could easily withstand earthquake upto 9 magnitude.

[@BarbieVoiceofTruth]

If they made the buildings less tall, casualties might be smaller

[@TR-ry3cn]

As you have seen, 5500 buildings were not very earthquake resistant. That needs to be followed up. Were carriers subsequently removed? A lot of people do that there. For example, shops under the buildings or was the construction clumsy to blame? But three earthquakes of magnitude 7.8, 7.7 and 7.4 is also huge. In my opinion, there were a surprising number of houses survived. In Germany, our houses in North Rhine-Westphalia would definitely not have endured that.

[@kenji214245]

For a while code's where enforced on buildings. But as a way to buy votes Erdoğan removed the enforcement trough amnesties allowing for poor construction. Turkish cities are like russian roulette during earthquakes due to this

[@TR-ry3cn]

@@kenji214245 Such bullshit. As if Erdogan could suspend Europe-wide norms and standards. You would lose votes through something like that, not gain them.

[@kenji214245]

@@TR-ry3cn Turkey is not part of the EU and as it is with a majority of nations in that direction. Corruption and poor standards are quite widespread. So no not bullshit. In fact if you pay attention to the video they even mention this as an issue that has been around since Erdogan came to power.

[@TR-ry3cn]

@@kenji214245 Turkey still has to abide by these laws when it comes to steel construction and others. Who are you trying to tell? I work as an engineer in Germany and I'm often over in Turkey as well, auditing companies. The standards must be met, otherwise they are no longer allowed to build. Corruption, botched construction and negligence is another issue.

[@kenji214245]

@@TR-ry3cn Turkey has amnesties that allows Contstruction companies "too pass" their qualities by paying a fee several of these have been done by Erdogan over the the years. So those standards can be circumvented by paying the government in a completlety legal way. Thus why we see so many houses pancake.

[@anythingunderthesun5398]

I saw the beam of the one collapse building it's reinforcement BAR ARE too Small

[@pedalingprospector2007]

Of course it has. Is this really a question?

[@nowirehangers2815]

Right?

[@slazerlombardi]

Even in Peru with a more corrupt government and system only had less than 600 deaths in the 7.9 earthquake in Pisco back in 2007. Turkish leadership must be held accountable.

[@allinengineering8168]

you even donot have basic geology. In peru, the epicenter was located 150 km (93 mi) south-southeast of Lima at a depth of 39 km (24 mi).

[@Alparslandilaver]

Bir Türk olarak söylüyorum Devletimiz daha adam akıllı bir şekilde deprem olan yerlere yetişemiyor arama kurtarma ekipleride heryerden geliyor ama yetmiyor malesef çok geç kalındı. Neredeyse 1.gun sonunda yardım gelmeye başladı bu da çoğu insanın ölümüne sebep oldu Türkiye hiç iyi değil lütfen yardım edin 🙏

[@itsolivier]

I remember that case where the father and son got lost in the mountains both were American the Turks did what they could , it took a day but the next day they acted and got them out.. now Its the other way around

[@MM-te8tz]

There are plenty of videos around showing construction in Turkey. One such video showing a brick layer building a wall is using so little concrete? it looks like prayer is meant to hold the wall up.

[@WahaHeyHa]

What a great presenter

[@jayseabie215]

Much of this devastation is without doubt due to substandard construction, you can tell by the way buildings have just collapsed like pancakes. If this same magnitude quake hit Japan you can bet it would not have cost anywhere near so many lives in similar populated areas.

[@yusuf3005]

Türkiye'de deprem yerin sadece 4 kilometre altında meydana geldi. Japonyada 150 km veya daha derinde oluyor. Herşey mükemmel değil. Ama bu faktörler de dikkate alınmalıdır.

[@cz3644]

@@yusuf3005 Sağlam kalan binalar da var, onları nasıl açıklayacaksınız? Güya yeni yönetmeliğe göre yapılmış 3 yıllık binalar yıkılmış, arkadaki diğer binalar sağlam duruyor. Ayrıca Japonya'da 2011 yılında yaşanan Tohoku depremi, 9.0 şiddetindeydi, bir de üstüne tsunami oldu, nükleer santral kazası oldu, 15500 kişiyi öldü gösteriyor Google- biz de şimdiden 12000 ölen var.

[@yusuf3005]

@@cz3644 hepsi sağlamdı veya hepsi çürüktü demiyorum. Depremin niteliğinden dolayı mükemmel bir kıyas olmaz. İşini iyi yapan müteahhid veta yapı denetmeni bulmak ta zor. Belediyeler oy için çoğu binaya seçim öncesi ruhsat dağıtıyor. Şehircilik bakanlığının denetimleri yetersiz sonuç malesef ortada

[@cz3644]

@@yusuf3005 Evet, ancak asıl mesele zaten Japonya'da bahsettiğiniz ihmallerin /yolsuzlukların yapılmıyor olması. Dolayısıyla aynı deprem Japonya'da olsaydı, can kaybının çok daha az olacağını söylemek yanlış bir yaklaşım değil.

[@deejay7648]

Yes.

[@u-tone1997]

We had a 6.9 one here months ago here in Taiwan if I remembered correctly (sorry for my bad memory but we just have too many of them, so if nothing big happened I simply just clear my head) Railway torted and bridges collapsed and a 7-11 fell down I remembered, but miraculously not many were killed for all those collapsing.... I heard there was one dead in the factory because he was fixing the machine when the quake hit, and the machine fell on him. I guess the experience of a disastrous earthquake in 1999 taught us bloody lessons than you better take earthquake resistance of buildings seriously when you live on an island frequented by quakes, but I'm not sure how long the lessons could be kept.....our buildings are getting older over years and there are still plenty of them need to be reconstructed by refused to, I really doubt they could hold on in a scenario similar to which happened in Turkey today....

[@oksyar]

These are the videos to watch which makes sense with critical analysis.

[@peacenow42]

it's NOT critical analysis RE these videos

[@regkinsman5429]

The shortcut/s are usually the long road. Profit before people tainted with corrupt favors are and always will be a recipe for disaster. My goes out to those affected

[@israel_i_stand]

I am thinking the same thing. The buildings construtions are so poor.

[@nowirehangers2815]

What kind of question is this when the answer is lying in a pile of rubble in front of you??

[@testsalv4366]

Why would the government care about strictly implementing their structural codes when such magnitude of earthquake only occurs every 50-100 years. The same with contractors and owners. The problem is humans have short span compared to intervals of these kind of violent earthquakes. Majority can forget such tragedy after a decade or two. Some even only take a couple of years. Thus, the government is never pressured constantly to implement the codes at its strictest sense.

[@argentinamexico3895]

And this left us to my beloved Mexico in 1985 again...

[@laetitiavisagie2632]

Building developers and those who approved shoddy building, should pay the costs or be jailed

[@iremcelik7804]

Kesinlikle ama bu olmayacaktır. çok üzücü.

[@aaljumaili]

Replacement new buildings must have anti-earthquake criteria

[@rascal0175]

I resided in Istanbul during the 1999 earthquake. My apartment building survived because it was old and of stone construction. Two things should be understood at the outset when considering Turkish earthquakes beyond what has been mentioned. The first is the truly immense power of an earthquake to damage structures. I believe it is similar to the blast of a large nuclear warhead minus the heat and radioactivity. That damage may follow the earthquake zone for many miles. It must be experienced to be fully appreciated. The second is that many, perhaps the majority, of Turks living in urban areas reside in large apartment buildings. The collapse of a single building may yield a disproportionate number of casualties. Yes, beach sand contaminated by salt should not be used in construction, and that practice has been addressed in writing if not by deed. Not mentioned is the substitution of sand for cement in the ratio of the concrete mix used in building construction. It is one thing to have a building code, it is quite another to comply with it. So great was the outcry against corruption in the building trades following the 1999 earthquake that efforts were made to hang those believed responsible. This resulted in people fleeing for their lives rather than face the wrath of those who lost their loved ones in pancaked buildings. The 1999 quake was initially reported in Istanbul as 8.8, with 80,000 dead. That was later revised to 8.2 with a reduced casualty count. Those figures have been reduced again. I now place little faith in earthquake numbers.

[@Suraj-Verma_]

Power always comes with responsibility. ॐ सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः । सर्वे सन्तु निरामयाः । सर्वे भद्राणि पश्यन्तु । मा कश्चित् दुःख भाग्भवेत् ॥ ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः॥ May all be happy, may all be disease-free, may everyone's life be auspicious and may no one be a part of sorrow. O God give us such a boon! Om shanti, shanti, shanti

[@fanboysnsdtmyoona4082]

Bangunan jaman skrng hrus pke sistem shokbreaker kyk usd motor, mungkin prlu tanya ke insinyur jepang cara buatny

[@masterpieces2218]

BAD INFRASTRUCTURE 🤬

[@makoymarukoy2989]

time to review your building code

[@damienhunt4264]

Blindingly obvious!

[@falconeagle3655]

There were two earthquakes unfortunately

[@annas866]

Soil liquefaction. Liquefaction occurring beneath buildings and other structures can cause major damage during earthquakes.

[@taxicamel]

600 people in Turkey now being investigated for FLAWED CONSTRUCTION METHODS. Well, if there are BUILDING CODES, which has been stated are in fact in place, then these BUILDING CODES need to be supported by INSPECTIONS by AUTHORIZED INSPECTORS ......otherwise all the BUILDING CODES around the world would be a complete waste of time. It should be assumed that there ARE GOVERNMENT BUILDING INSPECTORS. IT IS THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAILED TO DO THEIR JOBS AND UPHOLD THE BUILDING CODES. So FIRST, GO AFTER EVERY BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO APPROVED EACH BUILDING THAT HAS FALLEN .....AND THROW THEM IN JAIL. SECOND, GO AFTER EVERY CONTRACTOR WHO HAS BEEN IN CHARGE OF EVERY ONE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT HAS FALLEN ....AND THROW THEM IN JAIL. THIRD, re-group the GOVERNMENT BUILDING INSPECTORS AND HIRE EXTRA INSPECTORS TO ENSURE EVERY "NEW" REPLACEMENT BUILDING IS PROPERLY INSPECTED TO THE BUILDING CODES ......with the very clear warning that any building that might fail in the future, due to an earthquake, will result in both BUILDING INSPECTORS AND CONTRACTORS GOING TO JAIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME. .

[@SERIGAME-yv2eo]

Sürekli Sallanmaya alıştık bu çok garip bir hiss😔

[@bogartlingayo7391]

the buildings that collapse shud be imbestigated if the contractors did not follow the design they shud be held accountable

[@zeninspriggan794]

They should work together with Japan... cuz they have the technology.

[@acal4132]

Japan already done it but unfortunately Turkey did not follow the instructions. I feel so sad so many lives are gone…

[@acal4132]

And Turkey has so many old buildings as well. It will take so much time and money. Japan took 25 years to change every single school buildings fixed for earthquake.

[@anfang4030]

Was die. Helfer leisten ,kann man nicht beschreiben Ich hoffe, ihre. Länder werden sie dafür belohnen..... Deutsche. Helfer retten Frau mit. Kind, vor Stunde..... Meinen. Respekt

[@klappapa]

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[@klappapa]

bot

[@dermediterranehaider4671]

You need to publish this stuff in turkish too, the people over there don´t have access to this. Most still think it was unavoidable

[@realasscracka]

Basically it’s judgment wait till the 10+ hits Call

[@ramonbautistamacaraig2846]

The million dollars question is how safe staying in the highrise condos or skycrapers housing

[@emwai2527]

When the earthquake tax didn't go to the right places 😔

[@MD-kr7xg]

Hello, I'm from Turkey. 🇹🇷There was a big earthquake in my country. Can you help me?

[@David1991.]

No chance in earth that someone will help you kid. Do yourself a favour and help your people under the rubble.

[@MD-kr7xg]

@@David1991. There are already people helping the prisoners. Humanitarian aid needed here

[@David1991.]

@@MD-kr7xg Too late for that they already passed away from the cold or trap under the rubble.

[@ScottZ370]

Corner cutting by construction firms might have just killed Turkey's tourism trade for 10-20 years

[@NyanyiC]

Pelin seems a bit too happy

[@drakehonest2]

Hey how are you doing…?

[@GlobalWarmingDyingEarth]

There is corruption everywhere in the world. The contractors can be sued later but right now, the main focus should be on rescue. The chances are low but there is still a possibility that there are survivors who are just waiting for help. Paying attention on the contractors is only taking the time away from the rescue.

[@michaelwojcicki3624]

Reporter confuses construction failures with design failures. Construction failures are prevented with stern laws and high conviction rates.

[@divinemercyisforall6984]

at least the buildinh should be able to withstand if a first wuake hit... this is construction failure

[@carpenter3069]

"The friction builds up?"

[@Bayoubebe]

I know… I was like I need to research this!

[@crazychase98]

Pressure between plates think squeezing a zit.

[@Carolinapetroska]

I was considering buying a condo in Turkey but after seeing this terrible disaster, Ibfeel relieved I haven't. Of course, nobody talks about the building codes being violated until it's too late.

[@viliet6655]

Bah oui, of course there is a problem ; one of the most dangerous place of the world with seismics intancities.

[@TrixiLovesYou]

The strength of turkish buildings is, that when they collapse during an earthquake, they form pockets and people inside the buildings slide into those pockets. Then after the earthquake, rescuers pull the people out of these safe pockets. All part of the turkish plan. If the buildings weren't designed that way, the death toll would be way higher. I believe supreme leader Erdogan himself came up with this ingenious design.

[@savannahm.laurentian1286]

There are more buildings destroyed than standing. Blame game won't bring those 10s of thousands back.🙏🙏🙏

[@bayanalahmad3354]

Please we need helps and saving teams in Syria very quick, people still under debris,we don't have to much time

[@nisantasicoocugu216]

6 February 04:17 am First Major Earthquake events just began. 95 seconds shaking almost 100.000 km2 land piece. İt was 7.8 Richter Magnitude scale. After than this major earthquake just couples min later 6.8 after 6.6 earthquakes happend. TOTALY 1 EXCEPTİONALY MAJOR 3 Earthquakes really kick the all buldings. But not Over Yet! SAME DAY AFTERNOON ALMOST 30 km nortern from first epicenter of major earthquakes, JUST HAPPEND TO ANOTHER MAJOR EARTHQUAKE! THİS WAS 55 SECOND HARDLY SHAKİNG 7.6 RICHTER MAGNITUDES SCALE. AT THİS TİME THOSE ALL DAMAGED BULDİNGS JUST COLLAPSE... İNTO THE 12 HOURS SOUTHERN TURKİA EXPERİENCE 2 BİGGER THAN 7.5 RİCHTER MAGNİTUDES EARTHQUAKES 2 BİGGER THAN 6.5 Richter Magnitudes scale Earthquakes... THIS ALL WAS BIBLICAL AND UNIQUE EVENTS NEVER HAPPENDS BEFORE. FROM EGYPT's TO TURKİA AND CYPRUS TO SYRİA, LEBANON, ISRAEL AND ARMENİA FELT THİS EARTHQUAKES SO BAD! More than 100.000 km2 land piece to go noth west 10 / 12 meters move into the 95 seconds at first major earthquakes. after events this number getting bigger almost 25 meters moving north all of anatolian peninsula. oh btw that was hardly cold middle of the night february 6. epicenter of first major earthquakes area is City of Kahramanmaraş was -12celcius degree Malatya Doğanşehir Town was -24celcius degree. all of plces was hardly snowy almost 2 more days... but this is really broke my heart because our goverment doesnt care anything about this because their sims like they have to to punished Turkish people, this is their secret missions. Noone else can not find to any RESQUE TEAM OR BASIC FIRST AID HELP MORE THAN 2 or 3 DAYS! GOVERMENT DOESNT ACCEPT TO FIRST RESQUE OFFERS, ALSO THEY DONT ACCEPT ELON MUSK STARLİNK WİRELESS OFFERS! THEY DONT USİNG TO TURKİSH MİLİTARY POWERS. TURKİSH ARMY SO SUCCES ABOUT NATURAL DISSASTER İN THE FIRST DAYS. THEY HAVE VERY BİG AND PROFFESSİONAL MEDİCAL AND RESCUA TEAMS. BUT GOVERMENT DOESNT ACCEPT TO HELP ALMOST 3 DAYS. ALSO THEİR NOT HELP TO VİCTİMS... SO MANY İNJUREDS DEAD UNDER THE BULDİNGS. ALSO MANY ALİVE VİCTİMS WAS FRİZİNG AND DEAD BECAUSE NOONE ELSE CANT FİND ANY HELP OR RESQUA TEAM. BECAUSE GOVERMENT DOESNT SENDİNG TO TEAMS WİTH TOOLS AND ANOTHER İMPORTAND THİNGS. AFTER 3 days later GOVERMENT JUST STARTİNG TO HELP. BUT İT WAS TOO LATE FOR ALL... THİS İS WORSTER THAN WAR CRİME...

[@ravenwda007]

Just pulverized into a powder. Might as well build your structures out of paper mache because there’s no difference. Where is the reinforcement and rebar?

[@marepeabenon3317]

Yeah i think they'ee building play a huge role on the losses of of lives there causwe their buildings look soooo weak.

[@Kamo-ve6bw]

Turkey must open Lachin road as soon as possible, there are over 120 thousand people suffering in Artsakh due to blockade, be good to humanity now

[@Defeatedwarrior..]

I was botn there, l lost two of my family members. Yes this is the reason behind tens of thousands lost human life. But the politics is the main reason. They knew those places first degree earthquake zone.

[@sapphyrus]

Corrupt politicians, greedy contractors, poor people who are content with merely having a roof result in this catastrophe that didn't need to be so terrible. There'll be outrage for a time, then rinse and repeat. It's not just '99 quake but there were two smaller ones in the last decade that should have caused urgency.

[@bharatshah9092]

Nepal had 8.1 earthquake, still there were less than 10000 deaths !!

[@earthquakevideoworld1899]

Because the Nepal earthquake was happened in Midday where most people on outside of the building, while the Turkish earthquake occured in the midnight most people was sleep, that's why number casualties in Nepal was much less