Have We Become Too Impatient To Play WoW The 'Normal' Way?

[@MetaGoblin]

Thanks for the shoutout man

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Lol exactly I have the same.with my family's younger generation. Their attention span is much shorter and their willingness to take their time is much lower than my generation. Perhaps we're just getting old lol, but I definitely notice that difference too

[@kara3396]

It's the tiktok. Everybody has adhd now, thanks to it.

[@shad0wfaxx77]

They can’t even put their phones down

[@nickloos3202]

​@@kara3396 Hahaha this is sooo true. And sooo sad at the same time. Everyone has a unhealthy craving to be 'special' nowadays. Or they just want a excuse for their inability's

[@thevlaka]

unfortunately parents are to blame here, not the kids. dont give them these distractions, exercise their brains with books, toys, sports etc not devices.

[@rvt_h3d]

I think its mostly the retail andys that flooded classic who brought this in. Those of us who came from private servers that want to enjoy vanilla the old way are a small niche audience.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Yeah you know that's a very good point too, retail wow is much more fast paced and people wanted that same fast pace from classic, simply cause that's what they're used it

[@_nofvkks5343]

But most “retail Andy’s” won’t take classic serious because of how slow paced it is compared to current. True classic wow players just won’t admit that the feeling couldn’t be replicated and players among all games worry about being as meta as possible.

[@Zizaa95]

I think most people are impatient, people want to min max, and get géar the fastest way possible, to me i think the journey is what makes the game, people have such good memories from khaz modan to mulgore, leveling is an experience even i that have leveled in post wotlk zones theres always something to discover, as for raiding i think there should be balance, shouldnt take too long to get hc dungeons gear then go into the first raid, get gear from there and progress, but people want you to be raid geared before you get into raids, i dont think its only with wow, we dont treat ourselves better, like, dont have a raid to do? Go to ironforge, thunderbluff sit there, listen to the soundtrack, grab a cup of coffee or tea, relax it aint a race, again sorry for the long comments

[@wozzielfc401]

I've heard most classic people been crying for there 50% experience buff . Well at least they got it

[@megamanx627]

Ok Speaking from someone that's been playing the game sense 2004 Your statements unfair Fury prot/World buffs These wouldn't be something That a retail Player would know. I can honestly say that I didn't even know what seal twisting was Till classic It also depends on the type of private server player. There are a lot of private server players that push that Line When you played the game a 100000 Times yeah there are some people that enjoy that over and over again. Others want to improve Every single time so I would argue if anything It was the private server community that I played the game to death that brought that way more than the retail people did. And speaking from someone that enjoys wrath and dragonflight. I can honestly say the classic player base is more divided Way more divided than Dragonflight is Everybody has their own version of classic in their own head And everybody thinks that their version is the best. Same reason why Classic+ Would be so hard They're both different games but the reality is people just play games. Wait differently now it's not just Is a retail player base poisoned The classic player based no I think it's The classic players Are not all one in the same.

[@user-pz1iq3fl2e]

You are right. The world has changed.

[@Ryan_hey]

You hit the nail spot on. I've been saying this for ages... there's so much convenience in the world that people want that in the game, without realizing it kills the enjoyment.

[@adamm2091]

Yes. I got my fiancé into WoW, she loves support roles in her RPGs, so she went heals. Few people have patience for someone new, let alone someone new who doesnt play DPS.

[@nickloos3202]

Yeah this is soo true. I always liked to help new people out in dungeons and stuff. Its sad that most people dont have patience or the will to help new people out

[@American_Trucker85]

I believe that if it’s easy and fast you will get bored and loose interest a lot quicker. I’ve seen it and experienced it in retail when I was playing. Ppl would rush through the game and then get bored bc they now have nothing to do. That’s one reason why I switched to private servers bc I like playing certain expansions and I don’t have to rush anymore bc the expansion will never end…

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

What you described is exactly what happened when classic wow was released. People rushed like crazy to 60, only to get burnt out or get bored quickly. People that took their time overall had a more enjoyable leveling experience as opposed to being stuck in spellcleave groups level after level

[@American_Trucker85]

@@HamsterWheelGaming I like to use Diablo 3 as my example. The game is fun while lvling up to 70 bc you mostly have to do everything yourself unless you have someone carrying you to max lvl. Once you’re at max lvl it’s still a little fun but you get geared up so quickly bc they just throw gear at you. Once you become so powerful you start to one shot everything that’s when it all gets boring to me bc there is no challenge after that point.

[@riklaunim]

During TBC on the forums, someone complained about GDKP prices - it was a fresh level 70 warrior that "dreamed" of having a full set of like the second tier. The tier was out 3 weeks, and he wanted a full set already. He had trash gear so normal groups didn't want him, and GDKP for a fresh was not affordable. There was no idea or intent to do dungeons for blues, older raids for starter epics etc... (also older tiers burned out quite a bit).

[@commonuser4306]

Also, we are not sure if an amount of time spent on a private server is worth it, cuz its volatile, meaning the server could be empty in a couple of months.

[@Aztal]

I really noticed it when the re-released classic. The experience I wanted to live again was completely destroyed by the community.

[@Alexensualtv]

My theory is that it's not the original audience. It's not even the people playing Dragonflight. It's not the same people from Nostalrius for the most part. It's the audience that was enjoying Warlords of Draenor that missed out on Nostalrius/private servers that were saying private servers are illegal and piracy, the same guys posting the "wall of no". That's the majority of them.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

That could also be very true

[@jarihaukilahti]

I would add its blizzards shareholders that has no patience and blizzard giverns under them.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Drinking game: Take a shot everytime I pick my nose lol

[@Itzcheesy]

bro you alright? you look a little tired

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

​@@Itzcheesy I am, that's the way things go when you have a 4 month old baby, but I'm doing ok so don't worry :)

[@avenseth7496]

Hammy, I came back to play classic and tbc - I noticed its not only the impatients of players but also the feeling of community and belonging to something like a true guild are gone from the game - everybody i have encountered is just about min/maxing and trying to be high on the dps charts. I started on the "fresh" pve server in LK when it came out and I logged on a few weeks ago and the server is a ghost town - everyone must have transferred off - now with the wow token i have given up the classic experience - i played since 2005 - senjin US and i have realized i can never get those experiences back from that time -its okay i have grown up and have a different life

[@Drazon1]

You can draw a comparison between vanilla and real life, highlighting how people often set goals and aspirations in both contexts. In gaming, when a new game or server launches, players have specific objectives they want to achieve. Similarly, individuals in real life may have ambitious plans, such as pursuing a long-term education goal. However, in both scenarios, these goals can sometimes fall short of expectations, leading some people to quit rather than continue. The underlying point is that given the opportunity, people tend to opt for shortcuts. Players who experienced the original vanilla version of games like World of Warcraft from 2004 understand the importance of progression and may prefer games that prioritize that aspect. However, newer gamers who joined later may not appreciate the vanilla experience due to its tedious grind. Additionally, many modern games heavily focus on endgame content, and the way The Burning Crusade (TBC) expansion unfolded may contribute to people growing tired of such games. This shift towards endgame-focused gameplay detracts from creating an immersive world. It's important to acknowledge that as time goes on, the player base that enjoys vanilla-style games diminishes, making it a dying genre. This happens because people increasingly value their time and may prioritize more streamlined gaming experiences over tedious ones like vanilla WoW. This is disappointing for those who enjoy the addictive rush and dopamine release of being immersed in vanilla WoW, like me. This reflects a changing preference toward more efficient and engaging gaming experiences.

[@SolheimGaming]

Based Drazon

[@shad0wfaxx77]

All very good points in this video. As someone who is not even near their 20’s anymore, I’ve been able to see the community from 2004 and 2019. I admit that I came back to play classic hoping to relive it. It is not the same at all and I knew right away, within the first month of launch that it wasn’t going to be for me. The rush to raid and the expectations were just too much for me. Everyone can play how they want to play but for me, the way things are played now are consume consume consume and now I’m just rambling. I’m old .. haha give it to me slow and steady :)

[@1MoreTurn]

Ive noticed in some dungeon groups in classic people have the patience of a goldfish. One bad move and they freak out. Like bro its scholomance, sure the mage sucks but we will get through it. Of course it was moaning warrior too.

[@AcidBombYT]

I think its less on we are impatient and its more that we already did it before and dont want to waste our time with people who either dont know what they are doing or dont want to put the same effort in. Its kinda like we already put the time in learning years ago and we feel others should have put that sametime in.

[@Nu_C-Jay]

This is such a great subject! I've talked of this for years but players don't understand where came from at the time.. All the rushing and no interaction what so ever..

[@Heathcz]

whatever next server i play will be complete opposite to my previous style. A lot of wpvp, slow leveling, socializing, focusing on having fun. not playing for levels, gear or achievments, but for fun and experience.

[@TundrousOfficial]

Sadly whilst the game hasnt changed much, people have. People cant afford to spend 100 hours on a game per week anymore, and very few could do that even back then. People will optimise the fuck outta a game. Age is a huge game changer. youre very right

[@Elnoriel]

What if I know exactly what I wanna play in my very limited free time, for instance I wanna spam arenas, duels, bgs, I don't even wanna have a weekly appointment that defines my schedule when it comes to PVE Raiding etc. It was fun once, but from most PvPers perspective all pve fights are the same. I just wanna have arena tournament realm where I don't have to do PvE at all, but there is literally no acceptable quality pvp only server for wotlk. And by quality I mean spell handling, I don't care about ncps and pve shit like that. I know it's important overall, but retail sniffers have become pretty good over the years. PvPers, PvEers could and should coexist, but I don't wanna waste my time lvling, hoping for my BiS rare loot to drop from RHC so I can finish my char build to start doing arenas effectively. There is no cognitive skill in grinding, and hoping that RNGESUS blesses me with the item I need. Therefore it's not fun. It is, was once, not anymore. The fixed nature of guild raiding is annoying, and there's nothing wrong in that if you're into it, but some players aren't. League, Fortnite, etc became the success they are simply by foregoing the pve bullshit and grind, and let ppl play pvp in short bursts. And WoW has the capability to provide for both worlds: when it comes to strategy, and gameplan in terms of complexity no game has since the days of early wrath come even close to what wow gave me back in 2008-9. It is my personal opinion, you may not agree with it. Wotlk was the closest to perfection when it came to class identity and balance, yes there were some rough stuff, especially towards the end when exponential scaling became a huge problem, but it could be fixed pretty easily. Sad reality is, nobody is willing to take the risk and go for it - out of the handful of ppl who actually have a core that handles spells as they were handled in original wotlk. Blizz gave up on pvp in general, not rly giving a single fuck anymore, and private server devs are on the same page usually. I've had the pleasure of doing some development for one of the best quality servers you mention all the time, and while I love them with all my heart, I do think they are leaving a huge opportunity on the table by not capitalizing on this whole thing. The game can be flexible and provide shelter for all kinds of people, grinders, pvpers, pvers, 100% completionists, RPers, you name it. It should have never been one or the other..... In fact most players belong to more than one group. Everybody could get what they want or need, if only either blizz, or private server devs listened.

[@albertmassingo4249]

It's not just the older players it's the younger ones and retail in any other game in the world too. They've grown up getting anything they want and when they want and they want their games to be like that too. I wish we could just sit and play the game we used to if you can only play for 2 hours then have the mindset I can only get what I can get in 2 hours but it will never be

[@Sindragozer]

I'm not sure that it's impatience. People are goal oriented, and take the path of least resistance to achieve that goal. Hardcore is also popular, and that's basically people playing for hours or days, just to ultimately die and delete their progress. It would be interesting if we could see a break down of what percent of the playerbase raids, raids in a traditional non-gdkp guild, raids in a non gdkp pug, have ever done a gdkp, and regularly do gdkp's.

[@Greg-gy7cd]

I played from Nost to classic and then quit when TBC came out. I feel like the community i knew from p servers was still there in small part at the end of classic, after that... completely gone. I came back for wotlk for a month and honestly had a bit of fun, but the soul of the game isn't there. I feel like i speak for a large community of vanilla players when i say we need a new home. SOM community wasn't there and i don't believe blizzard can foster a healthy vanilla community anymore. Blizzard has ripped the soul from classic sadly imo.

[@riverlynnxo]

This is what happened to me too!

[@dannyp9210]

Unless Blizzard changes, I think the home for Vanilla enjoyers is on private servers. I'm having a lot of fun on Turtle and am looking forward to Epoch!

[@Greg-gy7cd]

@@dannyp9210 I’m very hopeful for epoch, just hoping it has a large community! Also wallcraft looks promising but I fear both of those projects will suffer from no good marketing.

[@realtrax1586]

I don't think we've become too impatient or have shorter attention spams. I think people are interested in speeding to the end for a few reasons. 1) There is an arms race going on both. Getting an early lead in gear in level allows you to snowball all the way to the top. 2) There is a progression race that effects recruiting. You progress faster, you recruit better players. Roster boss is real. 3) They are trying to experience the content while it's still meaningful. When there is an expansion looming that is going to obliterate everything you've done and render it useless, there's this invisible pressure to get through it before that timer buzzes. 4) Addon's like Questie have turned the leveling experience from being an adventure into being a treadmill. Mindlessly chasing after lootbag icons on your world map and killing mobs that have the dagger on them is much different then being compelled to engage with the game world in order to get through it. And because of the aforementioned arms race, people pretty much feel compelled to use it. So people say they don't like like leveling and just want to get to end game, but the truth is they don't like leveling because it's been turned into a mindless treadmill by the addons, and they want to get to 'end game' because of the aforementioned points. But end-game is just another shit show now too, which also has a lot to do with addons. DBM, Weak Auras, Threat Meters, Damage Meters/World of Logs - all of these things have fundamentally altered the way people play the game, AND even affected the way the game is developed. Instead of being able to take my friends to a raid, I have to metaphorically cut their throats and bench them because they're not good enough to do the content. How fucking stupid is it to design a game that's supposed to be 'massively multiplayer', than force me to box out my friends by hyper-tuning the raid. Why? Ulduar is a great example. Many of the hard modes are very much tuned to needing 25 people who are dialed in, and dead weight means the content doesn't get cleared. So after leveling through classic and TBC for years and raiding with the same people, I have to tell them they can't come to raid because they're not good enough. How stupid. Why not tune the game for 25 players but let me bring 40? And then there's the redundancy. 10 man normal, 10 man hard, 25 man normal, 25 man hard, heroic ++ ....it's all very immersion breaking and turns the games from an adventure into a treadmill. Again, these things are not players and people being impatient. They are game design choices that alter the way people interact with the game. Essentially the "people are impatient argument" is like making the J Allen Brack argument of "people want to click a button and be ported to the dungeon...you think you do but you don't." Brack was wrong then and he's wrong now. The game was fundamentally altered by addons and development choices. If you took away all addons and launched vanilla, people would play it, and they'd play it differently. Think about how much impact just a damage meter has. Does the world buff meta exist without it? Probably not, because you've got no way to parse out who's not "doing enough damage" (to clear molten core lol). You know the famous graph of sub drop offs after Wotlk? That was always blamed on Cata, but the truth is the game was broken long before that and people only stuck around for Arthas.

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

you know addons were created by those very same players, right? No one would play vanilla if addons were banned, UI in wow has been universally known to be utter dogshit, and that's especially true for early wow.

[@taavidude]

I have to say that everyone says that oh it's the young people who just have no patience anymore. While that is true aswell, I think people are forgetting that a lot of people who play Classic are older people with jobs and maybe families too. I myself have less patience now than before since I have a job myself, I have less playtime so of course it sucks when something takes too long to do. Now I don't really mind the slowness of Classic leveling, it's fine when I just want to chill, my biggest issue are simply the quest item drop rates, it's extremely frustrating how I sometimes have to kill like 40 mobs just to get like 8 quest items.

[@travisc2094]

This is it. I'm 32, am self employed remodeling homes and have 2 kids. Bettween working on site, estimates taking the kids to school in the morning and cooking dinner and putting them to bed at night I'm lucky if I have a couple of hours to play. But depending on what type of work I'm doing I make between 50-125hr. I just started back up last month after not playing since 2020. Currently level 53. It is so temping to just drop a couple hundred $ get zg boosted to 60 then join a gdkp run of bwl for the xbow and t2 on my hunter. I've already found and joined a dkp guild but I'm looking at months of work at my currently play rate to get raid ready, hours and hours of farming dm north for gold. When I could just pay to have it in a few weeks. I enjoy the grind. Slow leveling to 60. Farming and fishing and world pvp. And I enjoy the pre bis grind. But a lot of people in my position would just buy the gold and be decked out in a matter of weeks depending on drops.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Facts, it's not easy for many people to resist the temptation of getting all the gear the easy way, but then again getting all the gear is a big part of the game.

[@NotTheWheel]

Off topic your hair looks really nice. On Topic while I believe your concern is valid I also believe that there is just as equal a subsection of players who are patient even with our obligations as Adults. I once said, That as an Adult I have better things to spend my money on than on a video game. Video Games and the achievements in them only have a personal value to me when I accomplish them personally. This means I'll set aside time if it means something to me to accomplish them. I've went back to playing FF14's latest patch to Raid for example after taking a break. When I don't have time for MMOs I don't play them (imagine that) because that is the Mature thing to do. An Adult sets their priorities. I think that the people who succumb to purchasing power are the immature ones who are refusing to grow up. Even back in Vanilla I played with Grown ups who had obligations who were parents and had jobs, Those things never change. You could say we changed... but we weren't all 12-15 years old back then who played this game. So I don't like the excuse of "Oh people are older and busier now" because that's just what it is. A justification for laziness. That said when you look at things like Hardcore or even Private Server Communities specially a certain (🐢) rewards a Slow & Steady culture for the game while at the same time providing ways to maximize your gameplay if you wish. Ultimately we always magnify the negative and never look at the positives as though they are the minority in comparison when they could be equal or greater than we realize. I mean look at the outrage... look at people who are making memes as though everyone did RMT and that's why things are the way they are now... This wouldn't be such a hot bed topic for debate if their weren't people who do take the long path over the short. Just food for thought.

[@dannyp9210]

It's also about what we're already used to. For many years now MMOs (and games in general) have been hyperfocused on accessibility and convenience; with teleportation, automated group finders, welfare epics, participation trophies and constant dopamine releases etc., so that going back to old games without those feels really shitty. We have been conditioned. When the Pandora's box of conveniences have been opened it can't really be closed. Imagine if Blizzard removed flying, LFR, boosts and WoW tokens from retail; the playerbase would riot. I grew up with Vanilla WoW though, and really appreciate the slow pace and having to invest time and to earn everything; from friendships to gear, that for me a game such as retail WoW (and Wrath for that matter) just feels hollow and no longer special.

[@riverlynnxo]

Yes, I can never group anymore, i usually take my time, want to chat, and I only ever heal on my priest, and I get kicked from a lot of groups, if i get lost in a dungeon, or if someone dies, i get blamed a lot... after having this experience in classic many many times... i am no longer playing.

[@sayfmachida]

The last solution to fix all of that is when creating an account on a private server in the recommendations it should be mandatory to prove the following situations; proof of unemployment, retirement or sabbatical year.

[@daynewilliams9433]

It's the combination of less free time and more income. When I was 21, I could spend 4 hours a night 3 nights a week raiding without guaranteed kills of all bosses in a raid, and not only wait for the first neltharion's tear to drop, but often the 4th or 5th in my guild due to either DKP or loot prio. People make a time-cost analysis, 1 hour of real world work, to save 4 months of RNG. For content we have already cleared a decade ago, its not so much about the raiding and thrill of kill bosses, but its about maxing out our characters (gear, parses, buffs, reps etc)

[@johnnymcgeez5647]

Well i agree completely with you. Basically GDKP has pushed me into being casual... There is no need to rush. I already have one job on my mind, and i sure dont need another job when i log into the game which is how raiding feels now... I am one of those players who just wants to enjoy the game for what it is and i love doing it even if it means grinding for two months. I know that i am in the minority and i dont blame other players for their goals, but GDKP is just not for me. For example i made my fresh lvl 1 lock character at the same day when wrath classic lauched at the end of september and it took me whole month of november and few days into the december to ding 80. By that time many ppl already were doing naxx. I also work which is why it went so slow but anyways, were there ways to do it faster? Sure, but i want to play the actual game, do the quests, travel around the world, lvl proffesions etc. After that i did some raiding but lately i decided not to raid anymore and just play what feels fun.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Lol same, real life responsibilities and my job provide plenty of stress. The last thing I want is to have the game I play to unwind, to also feel like a job that gives me stress lol

[@abrahamovicovski]

The world has surely changed. No longer have time for MMOs.

[@chrisp9143]

I still play wow like a boomer and I have so many friends that are super into pvp/raiding. That stuff doesn’t matter at all to me but leveling classic doesn’t matter to them anymore. They don’t mind the shortcuts and gold buying but I try to tell them that ruins the game for me

[@patrickobrienstr]

This maybe true however this falls onto blizzard not the consumer. It’s the complete lack of oversight that has lead to these player behaviors. Blizz should have been banning bots from the get go. Gdkp’s aren’t necessarily a bad thing if gold isn’t being sold for real money, I think. You can’t blame the consumer behavior due to poor execution by Blizzard. I do want to say I love your videos Hamsterwheel keep it up!

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Thanks dude! To add to that point I would say that giving the players rewards much quicker is also the reason many players.are so impatient now. Getting an epic in vanilla wow vs getting an epic in retail is a world of difference for instance

[@dannyp9210]

Agreed. I see a lot (most?) of Classic players blaming the community for how the game ended up; but the real blame should be put on Blizzard. If given their own devices, players will optimize the fun out of the game. It's the developers' responsibility to save the players from themselves. In this case that would be to ban bots and gold buyers, and to figure out other ways to make cheating difficult to do. A lot of the changes Blizzard have brought to Classic has done the opposite: it has made cheating easier. I don't think old Blizzard would've done the same.

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@dannyp9210 old blizzard is the same one that allowed GearScore to happen

[@stevenpitera8978]

patient and lacking creativity. Kevin Jordan, when asked if he was worried about classic wow being too easy, responded that while he was worried, he was confident the players would figure out a way to create challenges for themselves. And he was right; while those min max players we are talking about in this video were busy gold buying and hyper digesting the game, there was a growing playerbase that was sick of the meta. These players would later join up and create the hardcore mode which is now being supported by blizz! Also there were 40m paladin raids, 40m druid raids, which is very hard to do. The game while being broken daily, has enough bones to stay uncracked, if you ;let it.

[@fluffyncute063]

It has gotten to the point where the average player needs to buy gold or siphon gold from the buyers/bots in gdkp. You are not rewarded enough from hard farming. No one can compete with someone who gets payed to farm. As a result, no one plays unless gold is involved.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Pretty much, it's so overwhelmingly present that it feels almost pointless to farm it on your own knowing a large chunk of the player base is simply getting record amounts of gold by swiping their credit card

[@DarknessLord1997]

one reason i don't do dungeon or raid with people anymore, everyone want to skip the trash mobs and go kill the boss don't mind those who struggle going by trash mob who can kill them because the team didn't give a fuck i go solo

[@lorenzobini6781]

This is fantastic, because it can mabye start from a "gaming" point of view, but it reflects so much on life in general, and it brings up a very important social problem: people just can't accept the fact that achievements require consistent effort over time, and they are trying to take shortcuts over and over again. And, socially, this spiraled out of control: if you don't get the answer you were looking for in matter of seconds, either you go insane or you try alternative methods that always come with a cost, and this can apply to GDKP runs, heirlooms, boosts, wow token, but also in life, information, university, relationships. It's a very serious topic and I'm very glad you brought it up ❤️

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Facts! Call me old but I honestly see younger generations having more and more difficulty with focusing on one task, being persistent about it and not giving up right away if it goes wrong. With a world where a lot of things are now given to us faster and faster, I feel people expect the same from videogames. Instant gratification is getting out of hand

[@sunderwire]

Yeah i agree, it’s so much easier to just spend 1 hour working irl to buy enough gold that would take 8 hours to farm, i don’t play anymore but when i did, i had better things to do than farm gold all the time

[@Kyrrua_]

Having to play the game, shocking amirite ? [sarcasm off]

[@sunderwire]

@@Kyrrua_ thats why i liked gdkps, you get money while playing the game, but it was obvious some people were buying tons of gold and i cant really blame them because most people dont want to or have time to farm gold in game

[@dyingember8661]

Yes, but not me, I'd like to play the game as it were before, but that can't happen

[@BigGlutesBigToots]

I think that what you were saying, is true, in the sense of keeping new players, a.k.a., younger players, from getting into wow, but not the veterans of the original release expansions. With the original expansions, most of those players, or in their teens and early 20s with almost no responsibilities. Now, like it has been pointed out already, those guys are all in their late 20s and early to mid 30s, and no longer have time to play like they used to. And even if they did try to play like they used to, because of being limited to maybe one or two hours every other day, and the idea of actually progressing like that is somewhat ridiculous. This was sent with text to speech while I’m driving, so it may have some crazy errors.

[@johnnymcgeez5647]

You mean speech to text?

[@BigGlutesBigToots]

@@johnnymcgeez5647 Yes

[@thevlaka]

impossible to find a guild on Whitemane that doesn't use parses, logs, gdkp... absolutely kills the motivation to keep playing

[@bmcginnis6543]

Yeah it's crazy. As someone that started recently and is behind on loot, it is impossible to find a decent guild or group. You can't make a mistake, you need to have the achievement for the content you want to do, you need to have the GS. I cancelled my sub yesterday.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

I notice that too in groups, people seem to quit way earlier than let's say when I played in 2013 on Feenix Warsong.

[@rossstars4518]

Hardcore says there are people that are not in a hurry!

[@invoker5465]

Agreed to an extent but I think it is more of grinding games that require more coordination are dying out. Diablo 4 grinding will be alright because people want to control the pace a bit more because (as metagoblin said) we are older and in a different place in life.

[@jp5125]

Oh no hamsterwheel has been hit with the Gee Day Kee Pee curse, i wonder why so many people struggle to pronounce that acronym so much? is it really a tongue twister? Gee Dee Kay Pee

[@belstar1128]

Am i the only one who had like no free time at all as a kid. so much school work home work sports club boy scouts judo lessons family trips going to parties with my parents sleepovers with people without internet. when i was home i had to share the pc with 3 people and the internet was down half of the time. in 2007 i was online for maybe 3 hours a week (some days i wouldn't be online at all some days i would be online for about one hour) nowadays i am online all day if you count listening to podcasts.

[@skjold224]

People was impatient in 2005 Vanila too. Think about it. Why did we see sooo many Bot-Hunters running around in a pattern back then? Bc there was a market for buying gold!

[@advaicepro]

Then what's the point of playing at all? I mean people literally pay money for somebody to play for them. The fun is in the process, if you have every piece of gear the game has to offer - you simply lose interest. I think this is the exact reason why people like hardcore challenge so much, because you are always in the process. HC reminds me of good old 8-bit or 16-bit games, where you die and start all over but you continue to play over and over again.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Exactly, I really think people who are so obsessed and throw that much money at the game have forgotten why they started playing the game in the first place

[@citramate3633]

I guess this is part of my appreciation with turtle and their choice of not doing FRESH. Why not stop to smell the roses when the end game has been cleared for years. If anything you may miss out on content if you level too quickly.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Exactly, turtle wow doesn't need a fresh because its focus is not just endgame. There's a ton of extra cool stuff to discover from 1 to 60

[@TheUhmmmmmmmm]

"Grown up" Proceed to kill game they loved by spending $$ on gold. If you don't got the time or patience, don't play. Don't kill the game for thousands of others that to play it like it should... Hard I know.

[@yayotone3252]

Love your content HW!

[@yetigaming8711]

What you said is probably true but something that wasnt mentioned in this video is that boosting(I don't like them but each their own) gdkps(they are fine in a perfect world but we don't live in one) botting(against tos and they need to hire some effen gms ffs) and gold buying are not being enforced by blizzard(either not cost effective or dont care) so there are no consequences.

[@xdaretriplex]

Hey mr wheel i hope you and all the other content creators from the pserver era would revive and make happen something like nost. Also i believe that everyone knows this game by heart also so what can we expect in the future? ❤

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Honestly I think in general vanilla+ servers are the way to go, Turtle WoW is wildly popular, there seems to be a lot of interest in Project Epoch and more. Maybe we'll see a true blizzlike server again in the future but after Everlook and Darrowshire I don't know if that particular server will survive so to say

[@THEPete_]

Society has changed, for the worst. People are more entitled, especially as they 'pay for a sub'.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

I feel the intitlement was also why we got raid finder, because people felt that simply because they paid, they're entitled to see all the content. Imagine me complaining to Nintendo back in the NES days that I have the right to see the final level of Ninja Gaiden, simply because I paid for the game lol

[@THEPete_]

@Hamsterwheel Yup completely agree! Raid finder and 'personal loot'. NES, N64/PS1/2 era was the best time

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@HamsterWheelGaming MMOs are composed of many different kinds of players, one of those being the people that want to experience the story of the game, when the story progression is locked behind raids, those people couldn't care less about getting together with the boys and smack the raid in a couple of nights, they just want to see where the story of the expansion goes/how it ends and experience all of that IN GAME, rather than just watching the raid finale on youtube or something, which is OUTSIDE the game.

[@Makevanillagreatagain]

Folks, The answer to 2023 is 2015. #MakeVanillaGreatAgain

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Thank you Donald, you are right. We got some amazing people, the best people I've ever known and let me tell ya, they're gonna make vanilla great again...I can feel it.

[@Makevanillagreatagain]

@@HamsterWheelGaming I only hope we manage to come together in unity, quite frankly. Congrats on your little one. Djt

[@Kshaadoo]

I cant say about other people, but I can say for myself. I never bought gold in classic or participated in gdkps. I play since 05 and I have to say that I understand why people buy gold or boost and I dont judge them. We all love this game for different reasons. Some1 loves leveling, raiding, farming, pvping etc etc. But I can understand that if you want to be a competitive raider in vanilla, you have to farm A LOT of gold. Consumables are expensive and getting all wbuffs takes time. With flasks it might take for about 300g per week for raiding. Now lets say you farm for 50g/hr and it takes 6 hours to farm for your consumables. What about 1k for mount, and edgemasters and other stuff. I mean Im alright in farming and I can take my time. But imagine coming back home from work, you have family and maybe 1-2 hours to play and I bet you dont want to spend that time working a second job (farming for raid). Just my 2cents. If people prefer that way, its their way and it doesnt affect how other people play the game.

[@espenjenss]

Hardcore is way bigger than wrath atm. So that proves many have fun with slow progression and no gdkp.

[@Bigmudfan]

I can tell that everything is too boring for people know and consuming media is “too slow” for some people I guess how to explain it I have a friend who I talk to on discord all the time and he’ll be playing a game himself and when I’m playing something he always asks you should stream it hell I can tell my attention span is short too I’m watching this video right now while leveling on a trial on ascension 😂

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

speaking as someone that started with Cataclysm, old leveling is just way too slow and clunky paced, like hillsbrad says it's a 20-30 leveling zone but i can only quest my way until 25 which is when the game tells me to piss off and go somewhere else to level otherwise i'll be hitting my head against a brick wall, then there's the constant back and forth between the quest and the area where the quest wants me kill 10 farmers, turn that in, then the NPC tells me to go BACK to said area where i killed those farmers but they want me to collect apples from the area now. Even doing them in Wrath where the classes are more powerful it's still a massive chore and why most people just outright refuse to level an alt unless there's an XP boost going on, i am one of those people.

[@kara3396]

It's the zoomer/tiktok generation of 5 sec attention span mentality that changed everything. These kids can't appreciate nothing. Everything has to be fast.

[@VegetoStevieD]

I just want to chill and play the game.

[@SilverFan21k]

Hello Hamster i am a special needs player and i like your videos

[@dacarv]

I think it's about reasonable rather than efficient. This might be a hot take but the game has become more of a game for us as an older audience rather than a "no-life" activity from when we were kids/teens. It's unreasonable to invest 3-4 months to get Tier 2, or be favored in loot council or be prio for BIS items as a 25-35 year old adult. Same with pvp ranking in vanilla. It's just too much. Private servers should adapt to that in my personal opinion rather than having the community come out with ways to shortcut/overpass these time consuming barriers (example: gdkp, spell cleaving, 1% chance item drops). Peace

[@michaelhausler9254]

thats not an excuse it gives real good privateservers like project ascension Who u can become max lvl and base max geared without spending money ez in one week^^

[@ShadingNight]

Less about impatiences and more about lack of time I think

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

But wouldnt lack of time simply mean that you will get there, just not as quick? I play on Duskhaven, 2x xp rate. Its been weeks now and I still haven't gotten to level 60. I have very limited time to play but that's ok because I'm patiënt enough not to want to do Endgame content within a day or two

[@Nate-cf8tt]

The truth is that one of the classic major pillars of MMO design is bad and predatory. Percentage chance drops are designed to waste your time, keep you subscribed, and keep items artificially rare. Even if you can clear an encounter 100 times you might never see an item you want. Its all in the service of milking the playerbase, and not making the game fun.

[@jullsan]

Yep people just don't have the attention span anymore. Instant gratification created by social media and smartphones basically.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Absolutely

[@ShinyTuga]

Not impatience per say, just delusion and lack of challenge. People are much better players nowadays thanks to the industry's growth and lack of challenge causes people to want to speedrun through "the tedious tasks" that are not challenging them, that are not triggering their reactive capabilities. People want to play a game, they just don't realize classic is very outdated in the sense of reactive playstyle and no longer fits the criteria

[@Jadenas]

Idk, even though I make good money with my job, just the thought I'd be buying progress in a game makes me not want to play it. Like yes, I can get the item faster, but that is gonna feel good only for a few days and then it's back to boredom. Instead, if I work for something over longer period of time, each time I open my character screen and see those hard earned items, it feels good for months. So yeah, even though I have money, the fact WoW devolved into GDKP / bot fest was what made me cancel my sub and uninstall. It's just not fun this way.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Same! I could very well lay down money but it defeats the purpose for me for playing a game. Sadly many people disagree with us

[@spaceman-exp]

Brother In Christ how the hell did they get away with paying you 2.5 bucks and hour at your first job!?!? :(

[@sanmedina]

was 2021 that long ago? atlantiss and endless were at peak popularity at the time and GDKPs were never a meta then. Sad reality is it takes a real small amount of bad actors to ruin the game

[@vzwopx]

I think yes, a lot of people have. It already starts with powerleveling through addons that help you with a perfect route. Just red the quest text. Enjoy the process. Leveling is a big part of the game, why ruin it this way?

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

I guess because people are so used to instant gratification, that people want that out of a game like classic wow as well

[@arleygomez465]

Has anyone told you you have really nice eyes?

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Yes my mom tells me this all the time!

[@temetnosce2099]

Blizz supports players buying gold to save time, but can't put in a Wrath feature like RDF into Wrath Classic?

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Ofcourse because 1 bot = 1 account = 15 buckaroos a month for ol' Activision Blizzard

[@temetnosce2099]

@@HamsterWheelGaming Yeah, that's what it boils down to. They can monetize the token, so their 'spirit of classic' is ignored. If they could put RDF in the cash shop it would be in the game.

[@hvdiv17]

hardcore is just a fad blizzard is waiting way to long to launch hardcore servers hardcore was dying down before the announcement. we want som 2 or classic fresh.

[@fazeprogeralt3143]

It's an interesting topic for sure, but I'm not apart of the "we". I'd happily play 1x rates, no addons, no GDKP at max, whatever else. Idk if I'm a minority, but I really dislike the zoomer mentality. It leads to an overall dull and boring game.

[@Altered8]

Are you alright, man? Your eyes are concerning

[@brucefly3612]

Check 4:38 for your answer, he is a busy man, its normal that he is a bit tired.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

The nights are very chaotic because I have a 4 month old baby. Therefore I don't sleep that well, hence the bags under my eyes. It's all part of raising a baby and all in all I'm doing pretty good so don't worry :)

[@Altered8]

@@HamsterWheelGaming Cool, i genuinely wish health for you and your family, man

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

@@Altered8 thanks dude that means a lot :)

[@JohnDoe-km9vx]

I really liked a video from AzAMOuS - POV: You Create A New Character on Official Hardcore Servers | Asmongold Reacts :)) was amazed at how many buffs you can stack on a lvl 1 char. But you can choose go hardcore or just enjoy the ride.

[@voievod9260]

What happened to your eyes?

[@vrilthule7701]

You Look like you havent slept for days man those eyes are ded💀

[@courtesan8784]

tl;dr boomers are entitled and zooms gonna zoom

[@SilverFan21k]

I am gay.

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Thanks for sharing that

[@yukmoutb5885]

why would i be patient when there are endless bots doing things for me with zero repercussion? if blizz gave a shit about their game, maybe i would care about "enjoying" it .

[@user-tr3wg7qd6h]

Nothing wrong with gdkps at all rmt is the problem

[@Alsax1985]

Nailed it. I think Blizzard needs to involve GMs or implement penalties and deal with the aftermath of the whiners who will whine. It's their game, they should curb the lazies, and they could, if they wanted to. They don't care, though.

[@tehjamerz]

Theres a video on youtube, just search "ebgames wow release before:2010" Watched it the other day, had the same thoughts

[@whostolecookiesfromthejar]

hamsterwheel. goed te zien da je nog altijd videokes maakt

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Dankjewel!