Revolution Commentary & Analysis 🐝 Miraculous Ladybug Season 5 🐞 Ep23

[@Thunderworks]

The last part elevates the episode as a whole. Their power-up finally arrives, it was about time. It's not just a question of age, but rather of experience. After 10 very intensive months, I am not surprised that they finally manage to mastered their powers. The forced separation of Marinette and Adrien was very sad, making their first kiss as a couple even more beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time. The first 2 thirds of the episode are pretty normal, but the last third is excellent.

[@erinsmith3734]

I loved that their powers grew because it makes more sense for that to be based on character growth not age growth. Also, all I could think about during the kiss was "We'll always have Paris" 😅

[@hazeclarke]

😂😂😂😂

[@MonsieurDDMonsterr]

Kiss aside, I jumped out of my seat seeing Cat Noir finally get a true buff and Cataclysming multiple times

[@ss.surprise]

Their choices with Chloe are definitely confusing. Like, either she is evil and irredeemable and only chooses to do the wrong things... or she has some moral lines and she can eventually turn around into a somewhat decent person. PICK ONE. I would be here for Chloe just being irredeemable or Chloe eventually getting redemption, but we can't have BOTH. Please PICK A PATH writers!

[@hazeclarke]

Exactly! Like idc what you do just do one and do it well!

[@eddog6666]

Most people don’t realize that there are several redemption paths. In Queen wasp and Malediktator we saw the simplest way. Which has a high chance of backfiring which it did in Miracle Queen. The middle ground is season 4 when zoey tricked Chloé into accepting that charm. It denied Chloé the option of shadow moth. It forced her to experience raw emotion. Which is why this happened: When Rose jokes about her condition Chloé says this: When I do that you never laugh. Adrien: because you usually mean it. Chloé: that’s true. Rose: never change. In Optigami she is still testing the waters. But by the time of Pentalyteam happens Lila gets her hooks into her. This makes Chloé backtrack losing Adrien for good not realizing her mistakes she takes it out on Sabrina who eventually betrays her as well. This leads into Season 5 episode 23. Chloé and Lila try to take over Paris because Lila wants revenge on Gabriel and monarch. However Gabriel is better at that game and convenience Chloé. As ladybug and chat noir costumes fade they give the classic last time as a hero speech which cause the classmate to rebel and in courage other citizens to join. Inspired by the event both ladybug and chat noir chose to become adults which keeps them in their suits, which causes this scene: Gabriel: why aren’t they de-transforming? Naurro: you don’t de-transform. Gabriel: I am an adult! It’s my right. Nauroo: Maybe they have decided to grow up? This event is a big disaster and Chloé mother decided to take over Chloé’s life. In a desperate attempt to prove that she hasn’t lost company she tries to bully Marinette once more, only having Marinette say this: No Chloé, you are ridiculous utterly ridiculous. You no longer have power over me. This is the moment Chloé realizes she has completely lost everything and hit TOTAL EMOTIONAL ROCK BOTTOM.

[@lisam2458]

I like she's both. No one is purely good purely bad

[@ss.surprise]

@@lisam2458 The problem is either Chloe does not care if her actions could hurt/kill others and isolate her, or, she does care. And the current writing has been VERY unclear in this like they cannot decide how they want her character perceive. You can't just flip flop between making her sympathetic and hated both without follow through or it just becomes weak writing. In adult shows, yes, characters would likely be both to different people or she could be mostly bad with a few moral lines, but, this is a kid's show, it shouldn't be so hard to pick how they want to portray her and stick with it. If they keep baiting a redemption that NEVER comes, it will be more annoying than if they just never portrayed her sympathetically in the first place.

[@IceyWolftb]

@@ss.surprise I can’t agree more. Because this right here in the episode made her look sympathetic like she is heading towards an redemption arc. Like Thomas and the writers need to choose. Like pick one u. Can’t do both. Like stick to one thing. Do want her to redeem or not. Because like this getting annoying at this point. And using the Chloe card is getting annoying as well. Like if u want her full on villain then don’t make her look sympathetic.

[@randyjr.arsenio5624]

I think its somehow a subversion of expectations to see Ladybug and Cat Noir "grow up" as Gabe (And all of us) thought that permanent transformations are a result of age affecting the miraculous power but actually it is still just an extension of the wielder's will (harkening back to the abilities of the miraculous being as strong as the wielder wants it to be). In the end I liked that it shows that "growing up" isn't necessarily just aging but also about taking responsibility and having a strong willpower.

[@razmos]

I feel like this needed to happen for Chloe to get an ACTUAL redemption arc. She has lost all the power she had, the backing of her parents and the only person she saw as a friend. If she was to ever make an effort to redeem herself it would be from this point

[@pawu15]

Hopefully we see her in later seasons somewhat changed. Like, if she's a sentimonster (Aubrey said she wanted to take back control of her life) we might see her struggle following her mother's orders (like Adrien). Or her going to an all rich strict school and her having no Sabrina to abuse could lead to her being alone and bullied. Or both, idk, they can still do A LOT with her character.

[@oklik]

Agreed. I always have said since the season 3 finale that Chloe could only get a TRUE redemption arc after she has hit rock bottom and lost everything she's ever cared about. And now she finally has. So, hopefully the only direction left for her to go is back up, and she can finally make the effort to change for real.

[@HuaMoa-px9px]

Too bad that the writers don't think like that...

[@inukaiser]

"once a viilians,always a villain" sorry but Chloe will never nothing more than a awful person

[@inukaiser]

@@oklik she pnly deserve to suffer after all the crap she put Marinette and everyones through

[@Jai05]

I guess it’s safe to say we won’t see Chloe as a major character for a long time

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

Chloe returning on the first episode of Season 6: (This is a joke. I don't actually know if she'll be back or not.)

[@Howaboutyes11]

@@yourlocalchloesimplmfao

[@redram6080]

​@@yourlocalchloesimp I wouldn't be surpised. Season 3 finale: Marinette will date Luka while Adrian will date Kagami for a while maybe even up to half a season. Season 4 premiere: Sike They immediately break up

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

@@redram6080 That, too! What was the point of all that build up if they were just going to sink the ships on the first two episodes???

[@Thunderworks]

Maybe that's a good thing, maybe her toxic fans won't be whining in the comments anymore.

[@fateha_]

As someone who wanted a Chloe redemption arc so bad, I can say it is too late for that and the writers should let it rest. The only way I can imagine a redemption is by having her leave to another country and not show her for the next season or two. She could come back as a changed person. A changed environment may have helped. But tbh I think a redemption at this point is useless and wouldn't make sense.

[@summerheart9834]

Good point! But now she has finally hit rock bottom and lost everything. It's still a good possibility for the Redemption Arc to happen but I fear the writers won't handle it well.

[@Mebro-m6d]

@@summerheart9834 I think there is two way for her if she get more episodes: 1)Become good to make a new, better life 2)Become evil to get her revenge from peoples who lead her downfall I will love her in both way. She is shine like a star in both way.

[@katemacdonald3765]

The goodbye scene was SO SAD. I just felt for them both so much. Adrien trying to get out of the car, yelling at his father that his mother would have wanted him to be happy, the bodyguard letting him out of the plane, THE KISS and the sobbing afterwards? Heartbreaking. Loved it. I actually really liked that they've learnt how to stop themselves from detransforming. I think they needed an upgrade and something *new* to happen. I love how this is something they did together. And whilst they're supposed to be "adults" to learn how to do that, who actually decides what that means? I don't think the Miraculous care about ages, only a certain level of maturity? One thing I would have liked though is if we'd seen evidence of them resisting before. Just a bit of better build-up, you know?

[@hazeclarke]

yesss it was handled so well! but yes, some resistance before would have been great prior to this! because it's like resist, and then BOOM we ain't ever transforming back

[@katemacdonald3765]

@@hazeclarke I'm a writer myself, so pacing issues/things that come out of nowhere irk me. I tend to find Miraculous can never *quite* get it right---there's either waaaay to much build up or simply not enough. A couple more crumbs of resistance in previous episodes would have been all it needed to make the pay off PERFECT.

[@Dotum]

Chloe is the character who revolutionizes my revolving thoughts and revolves around my revolvulous revolvations

[@beanziea]

real.

[@hazeclarke]

I died reading thay

[@sylphredo]

@@hazeclarke bruh same 😭😭

[@hi_421]

Um wt

[@xxgamerclipsxx2622]

My brain is not braining right now💀

[@ian7836]

I think the adult-unlimited-power-thing refers to mentality rather than age. They matured enough to be able to go all te way (i think)

[@hazeclarke]

I mean I do have to disagree that either of them are mature 😅

[@ian7836]

@@hazeclarke Maybe not. I just had another idea tho, Kwami's use the energy of their holders, so what if that energy is derived from willpower? I think it makes more sense then😅

[@anonymousfan1008]

This episode was so powerful and touching at the same time. The best scene was definitely Marionette being strong in front of Chloe. If I were her I would have also added “You know Chloe, you had a chance to become a better person, a chance to have friends, even a chance to be a hero, and you threw it all away. Because of your desire for power, you let people like Monarch and Lila manipulate you; they’re the kind of people that only wanted to use you for their own gain. Ladybug offered you her friendship and was willing to guide on a better path, and yet you turned her back on her. You didn’t realize it but surrendering the bee miraculous helped keep yourself and your loved ones safe from danger. If you had just applied what you learned as Queen Bee in real life you would have had amazing opportunities, but you just thought about you and only you. I really did have hope for you Chloe until you betrayed Ladybug. While you’re gone, you should think about what you gave up; and ask yourself was it worth it?”. Marinette is definitely not afraid of her anymore. Even though her words sounded harsh, I could tell she was also disappointed since she had truly trusted Chloe to change before.

[@hazeclarke]

oooo that's a great line bestie!

[@yashenumulla4068]

I myself was thinking of similar lines if i had to talk to Chloe and the one difference i would say in the ending is that "hope you enjoy your trip so you don't come back to Paris to us and you know why, because you are Ridiculous, Utterly Ridiculous" as i wanted Chloe to hear her own words as the last thing from the very person she bullied the most.

[@fatima-io6oy]

hey where dis u watch the episode?

[@stevengalloway8052]

I fear Chloe would've cut Marinette off midway through, enraged, not wanting to hear anymore. No, I think Marinette's length of speech was perfect, utterly perfect... 😆

[@alatf9312]

Well Ladybug/Marrinate didn't smile when Chloe selfie with her. That wasn't friendship is call annoyance or never care about it.

[@Sheinkid]

I hope this is another turning point for Chloe and she could possibly get a permanent redemption arc because she was such a slay in her queen bee era 😭 also omg I loved this episode so much so much has progressed, I can’t believe Marinetti and adrien have got unlimited transformation time!

[@pawu15]

Marinetti 💀

[@michaelsarmiento3057]

Actually, Chloe was supposed to have a redemption arc but Thomas Austruc sabotage Chloe's character redemption arc and turn it into a character assassination arc.

[@kiyomi_kamimoto]

​@@michaelsarmiento3057I don't think we have to blame Thomas Astruc for everything, there are other writers in the team after all. I think they all agreed to do what they did, so if they say it was never supposed to become a genuine redemption arc, then it was nevet gonna be. Don't get me wrong, I have complaints about their writing decisions on that part. I wished Chloe had a genuine redemption arc, or at least got _actually_ relevant and a real menace in the later seasons, not just a humoristic vilain who's just treated ridiculously. My girl deserves better. But I just wanted to say the creator of the show isn't the only one writing the series. There's multiple people behind the script, and everything we see in the episodes isn't only his ideas.

[@amirar8699]

Oh, Haze. I feel SO sorry for your father leaving you and your brothers, hopefully you have/will found/find a dad like tony who will love you more than 3000 ❤

[@ThatBronxRailfanner]

I love the way Episodes 20-24 are kind of like a five-parter. Hope this continues into the finale. It was an insane episode. Also the post-credits seems like it's potentially setting up Wig Bitch trying to infiltrate the Agreste manor. Possibly to steal the Miraculous? I don't know.

[@hazeclarke]

Yesss something to do with the manor for sure!

[@arunadayananda9306]

That woman seems to be more of a spy agent if not a student.. 🙄

[@ThatBronxRailfanner]

@arunadayananda9306 For real. Still wondering what she needs that damn screwdriver for lol

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

At this point I don't know what they're going to do with Chloe, in the last few episodes she's been a complete villain, but now she's lost everything and even cries at the end? What am I supposed to feel?

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

EXACTLY. That's what I've been saying! The writers just don't seem to make up their mind!

[@FlawPink]

Satisfaction.

[@FlawPink]

@@usernotfound_____yet They didn't. Zoe has same mother. It's Chloe's freedom of choice who she wanna be. She's 100% responsible for herself

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

@@FlawPink Ah, yes. Because a 14-year-old who was abandoned by her mother at a young age, spoiled rotten by her busy father who wasn't there for her either, knows what's right and what's wrong to have "freedom of choice". Did you even watch Haze's video, bot-who-I-see-everywhere-cluelessly-defending-the-writers-like-they-wrote-the-next-game-changer?

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

@@usernotfound_____yet It's honestly crazy that the writers try to frame this as Chloe being responsible for it all. Kids don't raise themselves!! Andre and Audrey are the real villains here.

[@karthikgopisetty4483]

Well the most highlighted in this episode will be 1. Kiss between adrien and marinette 2.ladybug and catnoir won't detransform again and they can use multiple powers.

[@patrickkh1245]

We have to remember that chloe is a kid. Know that Marinette has helped her see How ridiculous and How mean She is for the first time She Can actually change. I think This is the start of the actual redemption arc. We have to remember that She has grown up with the most awful parents ever. Poor Chloe She needs help and better role models

[@hazeclarke]

i really hope so!

[@poesiefumeur]

Indeed!!! I really hope this is a turning point for her. The writers butchered her last time and I hope they do this right this time. She's in a really dark place right now and what she truly needs is help. Luka's therapy sessions would come in handy atm hehe

[@spooky_spedy]

​@poesiefumeur5892 it's possible I just saying

[@samirsaleh2889]

Supposedly children learn emotional intelligence from their mother. Makes sense Chloe is the way she is!

[@phantomknight5728]

I think why they are now able to use their powers indefinitely is less of their actual age, but more of how they have matured throughout the show. Also the fact that they can do this makes them considerably more powerful, as ladybug can call up lucky charms repeatedly for help in fights, and Chat Noir is kind of scary now since he can spam cataclysms (also it would probably be super difficult to take his ring as he can always have his cataclysm ready on that hand without the risk of detransforming, so in my opinion I would say this probably benefits Chat Noir more)

[@anonymousfan1008]

I saw at the end of the episode Lila/Cerise had a map with the Agreste mansion on it so it looks likes she’s planning a break in with the computer. Poor Chloe never realized Lila/Cerise was only using her to get closer to Gabriel. It would have been a little cool and suspenseful if in that last scene they made Lila/Cerise say “Thank you Chloe. Your services are no longer needed.” I have had this feeling long before this season that Lila/Cerise will become the future hawk moth and this episode makes me even more sure of it.

[@_Nixy_]

I still don't understand how people are saying that Chloé deserved to go with her mother. I obviously knew some people would think so but I wasn't expecting so many. It's genuinely concerning

[@hazeclarke]

God she did not. Chloe will get worse

[@michaelsarmiento3057]

​@@hazeclarke The reason why Chloe is going worse was because of Thomas Austruc's writing on Chloe Burgoiuse. Have you seen Cyrus the Great's review on Zoe Lee and Smarty Pants review on Zoe Lee. It is shown that Marinette instantly likes her because she is nice and she is a great person. But why is she a nice person is unknown as Marinette barely knows her.

[@summerheart9834]

Same! It's honestly disgusting, no child should ever have to go through that.

[@OzzyNe0n]

I've read that even Thomas Astruc thinks she deserves it.

[@_Nixy_]

@@OzzyNe0n That is just gross

[@ohifonlyx33]

The Ladynoir was PEAKING with their "almost loss" and final words and the "almost pound-it" with their bare hands being sooooo close and the powerups!!! We love it!! We couldn't get any better!!! ....But then Adrienette did THAT. ABSOLUTELY NUTS. HIS HAND IN HER HAIR??? BESTIE, THE WAY I SCREAMED!!!! That kiss is now my favorite, or at least tied with Marichat's first kiss (also made me feral). Let me tell you this episode made me feral at like 6am in the morning.... I lived and died before the day even began. WILD. And you know what? The movie's fine and all that, but you just can't have THIS much payoff from an hour and a half.

[@hazeclarke]

the kiss was so good! but i actually really enjoyed the payoff in the movie. in a way, i think it really picked up hype from the show really well!

[@Notfunny494]

The final airport scene is just beautifull and sad at the same time. I almost cried.

[@GeorgeTankerYT]

5:35 If I'm not mistaken (because I am probably) Thomas Astruc isn't going to "control" the series from now. Like, season 5 was his last season. So, with that in mind, maybe Astruc was forced to put a first stone in chloé's redemption for the next writers to start it.

[@FlawPink]

There won't be any Redemption xD Sébastien, Melanie and Frederique said the same thing. No one wants it. And it's their character

[@FlawPink]

@@kainightshade5033 Ehh, missinformation again? Season 6 team was revealed in February: -Sebastien Thibaudeau -Thomas Astruc -Melanie Duval -Frederique Engel Lenoir -Chloe Paye And Winny as Co-director as usual. They wrote 3 episodes at the time of February 2023 See Jeremy Zag anywhere there? He never wrote for show (besides Santa Claws) and he never will. He's a producer, not a writer

[@FlawPink]

@@kainightshade5033 You have this information on wikia already. You're only hurting yourself

[@FlawPink]

@@kainightshade5033 Zag isn't taking anything and it's an already known fact

[@hazeclarke]

@FlawPink can you please be less passive aggressive. This is meant to be a kind community. If someone doesn't know something or has been misinformed, there are nice ways to let them know. This is not one of them

[@parnellomello]

I have high hopes that Chloe will get redeemed while she’s in New York or wherever. I feel like she’s gonna get bullied or humbled like Zoe and become a better person, with it leading up to ladybug giving her a miraculous back Or she can end up being another mayura for Lila to make her more evil. Hopefully the first option.

[@parnellomello]

Anywho this would’ve all been better if Zoe didn’t exist at all since Chloe is actually interesting and can be funny sometimes. She could’ve been the sassy “hero” instead of the bland nice Zoe

[@hazeclarke]

Like I genuinely thought Zoe was gonna help Chloe :/

[@mat-har5057]

1:04 In this heatwave, I have been forced to help paint a bedroom white. It is quite brutal, but I seemed to have managed the first room.

[@hazeclarke]

Omg I’d be dying

[@patrickkh1245]

I dont think them being able to use theyre powers multiple times was not because of their physical age. I think its more mentally. Now that they are done with middle school they must feel a little more grown and they also have grown a lot This season. it was also probably because of stress in the situation. I really like this

[@yashenumulla4068]

Representation starts immediately after the events of Revolution which is a nice thing. I also think this is the ending of Chloe's arc unless Zag wants her again for season 6 and onwards to retry the redemption arc as Astruc agreed to be the producer for only the first 5 seasons. Also France (especially Paris Citizens) is known for only revolutions as the present country of France is the fifth republic in its history. P.S. Did you notice those people behind Audrey when Chloe was giving her speech and she looked proud. Those kids wore the same clothing style as Chloe. Andre did reinstate Miss Bustier but I guess Chloe fired her again. And i won't be surprised if that did happen. Also on Adrien immediately going for Chloe, I guess it was his Intuition as first Mylene and Ivan, Alya and later on he sees Andre's ice cream cart and also since it is a bakery Tom and Sabine should still be there working as it was I think around the same time he visited in Elation. I guess the baton thing in Evolution was a mistake as before only a cataclysm broke a shield and in Determination we learn that the ox is invulnerable to direct attacks. And Audrey told Chloe that they are going to London. Last thing is I think Audrey knows Gabriel is Monarch and i also had those suspicions after seeing the ending of Feast.

[@dreadskulk]

13:12 I think 'growing up' here stands for growing out in their potential or making their minds stronger, showing courage and bravery. Now that they have reached their max potential, maybe the miraculouses know they can handle their powers more maturily and allow them to not detransform...

[@mat-har5057]

12:09 Max saying can we do this is understandable because in Deflagration he did nothing but sing praises for Chloe in a very self-demeaning way because he was turned into a singing shoe by Chloe and remained that way during the entirety of the epic monarch fight in that episode.

[@hazeclarke]

Fair enough but the rest of the class hesitated too

[@dsfault]

As I’ve read the script of the episode, I think by the “growing up” part in the episode, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve grown up in age, more like they’ve matured and their powers have evolved.

[@Nathplays_Z3]

This episode was amazing. The Adrienette heartbreak is real. THEY KISSED 🥳🥳🥳... That scene was cute but sad. We have 3 characters gone now. Luka, Alix, Adrien and Chloe. Who's next now? 😃 I felt bad for Chloe in this episode, deep down she likes Sabrina and I think her being alone like this. Unfortunately, will make her a better person. I wonder what Cerise's motivations are? She seems like she's definitely cooking something. Adrien was great in this episode, so was Nino, Marinette, Alya, Kim, Miss Bustier and.. Andre? Great commentary analysis :D

[@Nathplays_Z3]

@@margeryojije7862 I guess you're right, and I understand what you're saying. But I also feel like this is just Thomas ruining her character just because he doesn't like her for some reason. Like I feel like he just doesn't care about her, and doesn't know what to do with her. Thank you for calling me a loser btw.

[@khaosjl3920]

I think the part where norroo said they grew up was more of a " they've mentally grown up" after all they went through so much and grew in a special way

[@lillyrayne1227]

I think my feelings for my fanfic's version of Chloe is effecting my feelings for in show Chloe, because I felt bad for her when she was crying at the end despite everything she's done this season 💔 Edit: Okay after watching more of the video, I realized my fanfic probably isn't the only reason I felt bad for Chloe at the end of the episode. You made so good points about her character being kind of confusing this episode in terms of if she's really bad or not.

[@hazeclarke]

oh gosh yeah like tbf i do generally like her but she went back and forth between being a mean girl and me wanting to hug her

[@WorldWeave]

My main thought on Chloe and her motivation is that, from a meta and story perspective, her motivations in this episode, don’t really *matter* as she’s been little more than Lila’s PUPPET for this whole arc…and ever since that one shot of Lila whispering in Chloe’s ear a few episodes ago, you can never be certain if the words coming out of Chloe’s mouth are her own or Lila’s, there are three different plans going on at the same time, all of which overlap, you’ve got Gabriel trying to revive his wife, Lila, with an unclear long-term plan, and Tomoe with a completely unclear plan…and in the middle of all this, you’ve got Chloe, who has her own motivations, but they’re easy to bend, Lila makes her believe that they want the same thing, when really she just needs Chloe’s power and influence to further her own goals

[@hazeclarke]

yeah i see what you're saying, whcih is kind of why i still feel bad for chloe because she was being manipulated

[@WorldWeave]

@@hazeclarke I guess that’s fair……personally I doubt she’ll get a redemption, but I’m not gonna tell you that you shouldn’t feel bad for her

[@AvoTheMavo]

Let's be honest,the only reason why Astruc made Chloe mayor is so that we hate her even more.

[@hazeclarke]

probably

[@maddievicky]

This episode absolutely tore my heart in two- usually i'll be like "stupid stupid nothing in this episode was logical" but this episode was so high packed i didn't even have time to nitpick i was just holding back tears 😭😭😭😭😭 and OH MY GOD the KISS I WAS SHAKING. LITERALLY ROLLING AROUND IN MY DADS CAR ON THE WAY TO MEMPHIS.

[@hazeclarke]

didn't have time to nitpick XD fabulous

[@SonetteMLB]

Will we see Chloé again?

[@hazeclarke]

Not sure rn!

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

I feel like they might bring her back next season as a Mayura to the new Hawk Moth, assuming it *is* Lila like everyone says. I can see the writers doing this, because it's just not enough to kill a character when you can beat a dead horse.

[@parnellomello]

Either 2 things will happen: She gets redeemed after being humbled in New York Or she helps Lila. There’s no in between.

[@PancakeRights]

​@@yourlocalchloesimpBut Felix has the peacock.

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

@@PancakeRights I didn't mean Mayura in the literal sense, I meant it more in the sense that she'd be the new Hawkie's right hand, like how Mayura was to Hawk Moth.

[@winning5366]

i feel like they pulled the end of year dance out of no where. like zoe just went "oh yeah the dance is tonight" like they couldve mentioned it sooner

[@hazeclarke]

Lmao right! Like I knew it was soon but I was like ‘oh, now! Okay then!’

[@fateha_]

Imo the bodyguard deserves the mvp too for having the most consistent writing in the show

[@hazeclarke]

Lmaoooooo

[@NathanX2013]

Chloe is very annoying but she shouldn’t be getting hated on

[@dreadskulk]

I literally screamed out of excitement when they stopped detransforming and turned into 'grown-ups.' I even went on saying- "You suck! Monarch Daddy!" at the top of my lungs. My family ran to check up on me and why i was yelling so much. The look of their faces actually screamed "Damn. What the heck is wrong with this dude?" 😂 (Only If You could have heard me shouting and you would have been bewildered as well.)

[@hazeclarke]

lmaoooo XD

[@amandamakin1542]

Gabriel does suck

[@stevengalloway8052]

It's possible that Audrey has decided to take Chloe for herself after taking to Andre off-screen, sort of a "consolation prize" for the divorce, giving Zoe to Andre. And Lila is having a ball being incognito, with no one noticing her subterfuge. 😏🤔 I wonder: who's worse as a parent: Audrey or Gabriel? 😏

[@alatf9312]

Both

[@Mebro-m6d]

Audrey for me.

[@Mebro-m6d]

@@margeryojije7862 At least sometimes Gabriel care about his son. He believe that he do all of this for his son. His son is probably don't like it if he learn what he doing. But Audre is not care about her daughter at all.

[@joannav1082]

the emotions at the airport! Really tugged at the heart-strings

[@__.-.-]

I loved the way mari faded into the endcard

[@theelitebrawlersbakuganleg4224]

Gabriel performed the age old tradition of all antagonists of traumatizing the child hero so much that they are practically adults now

[@karmaslyrics]

I think at some point Gabriel did love Adrien. And loads of ways better than Felix's dad. But when Emille died he distanced himself from Adrien, became depresssed and indenial, self blame and anger turns into the villain we know today. And also. If Adrien was desperate and he turned into Cat Noir and cataclysmed the car, I would have been broken like Nathalie in the chat blanc scene lol I like chloe but i love that she has no redemption arc. I never saw her being good as a thing that could stick. Lila.. does ANYONE remember that she has ALL the info on Gabriel from when Nathalie was taken over when Lila was volpina again and has yet to use this to expose him?! 😢 i theorize that in season 6 she will be the one to tell Adrien about Gabriel but because she has lied so much he won't believe her and she will spiral in the season 6 finale like Azula in ATLA and have a redemption arc because this is still a kids show.

[@patrickkh1245]

He was a good dad in season 1-4. he let ladybug go to save him and didnt akumatize him but doesnt hesitate to akumatize him in season 5.

[@hazeclarke]

i think gabriel does still love him. he's so deluded at this point sadly. but i do have to disagree about chloe. we've been show just how good she can be

[@unicornsistersyt6882]

I think Chloe felt deprived of her mother, so she wanted to be just like her because she was her idol and now Chloe is like her but there is still hope, most of the things she did this episode were because of Lila otherwise she would have tried to do what was right for the people and arrested monarch. She realised she shouldn’t have done the actions that drive Sabrina away and that marinettes words were so true and that marinette actually ‘had the audacity to speak to her like that’. Audrey and Chloe are going to London as well as adrien and Kagami. Also did anybody else cry because of this episode 😭 because i rewatched the car scene and airport scene about 3 times and tested up everytime

[@unicornsistersyt6882]

Teared* 😭

[@ExtemporaneousnessOne]

Wow... Chloe's all by herself now :O

[@noorhuda9845]

Chloe just need therapy. Technically all the children in the show needs one but she definitely needs it.

[@carltonnicholas5430]

Haze, I'll be honest with you, what Adrien said to Marinette on the phone is exactly what Gabriel said to Emilie in Risk. By my calculations, Gabriel wants him to feel the same way he feels. That's so sad because that's what most adults do to their children. It's disgusting and damaging to children. I hate Gabriel so much for that. So long Gabi Grassette.

[@hazeclarke]

Oh god that’s awful. If it happened to you why would you want someone else to feel that way?

[@carltonnicholas5430]

@@hazeclarke right? Gabriel needs therapy, not more power. But inevitably, it's too late for that.

[@tamyasaunders7689]

​@@carltonnicholas5430 gabriel came from a lower class background but dosen't want his son to be with a girl he loves because she's a baker parental hypocrisy 😡 and poor Adrien and marinette ge said his mother would've just wanted him to be happy 😢

[@tamyasaunders7689]

​@@hazeclarke I saw someone once mentioned that gabriel seems himself in marinette and is self loathing blaming himself for what happened to Emilie which is why he dosen't feel she's good enough for Adrien

[@cherry78]

literally been waiting for your reaction because this episode had me sobbbinggg the adrienette kiss aghhhghh

[@hazeclarke]

Lol I did not cry sadly

[@Howaboutyes11]

omg right when I got done crying for the 3rd time I went on yt to watch Haze too 😂

[@4wolvenpeople]

lila probably stoped chloe from revealing the secret so she could use it later for greater effect or to try again the blackmail adrien, or to make sure chloe doesnt apear heartless on camera. Lila may want to hurt marinette, but she wants to manipulate the situation to better suit herself more, so just using a piece of information out of spite instead of at the oportune time is not her sort of thing, she'd use it in a far more vindictive way than chloe who just straight up bullies marinette instead of trying to manipulate her into a meltdown. And that is why Lila is a worse human being than chloe, chloe would say mean things and get her in trouble while Lila would most definitely gas light her into insanity.

[@hazeclarke]

ahh good point!

[@miraculousfan2520]

9:20 In the final script for Evolution, he actually uses Cataclysm to destroy the Shell-ter. I'd assume they changed it because he uses it later in the Burrow, but this way it makes even less sense.

[@Soomi.kk1]

I agree it was fast paced

[@ErnieWormy]

I agree with everyone supporting Chloe. I think she only acted the way she did because she was copying the behaviour of the mum she didn't have. Audrey is always acting superior to others and Chloe does the same. Acting like that might've, in a way made her feel closer to her mum until it became her natural personality and she went over board. I hope that somewhere in the series (If she does have a redemption ark), she can get the help and love she needs. (Sorry about the long comment😅)

[@inukaiser]

so good that finnally got Chloe she asked for it for so long

[@parnellomello]

Also I forgot to mention when Adrien said “I am not worthy of your love” It would’ve been nice if they switched to Gabriel with a sad or remorseful face Incase you forgot, in Risk Gabriel said that exact same line when he broke emilies container. Would’ve been a nice flashback. Or perhaps this just showing how far Gabriel has gone that all he TRULY cares about is the miraculous

[@_GachaxKing_]

Chloe has potential for a redemption arc after this episode, her mental health has been spiraling down since the season 3 finale when you think about what’s happened through her perspective, and 🖕🏾 Thomas 🍑🛻! Those are my thoughts on Chloe from this episode as short as possible!

[@hazeclarke]

😂😂😂😂

[@darkjjak3804]

My understanding of the Ox Miraculous is that it protects against the other Miraculous powers. In Determination Ladybug told the wax museum lady (whose character name and Akuma name both escape me) when Akumatized that she may be protected against her powers, but she's not protected from the chandelier dropping on her.

[@hazeclarke]

Ah! Thank you!

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

6:29 I remember seeing that too, that's even why she managed to break the akumatization.

[@pawu15]

Also, at the end Aubrey says that she's going to take back control of Chloe's life. does that mean she's a sentimonster? It'd be kinda interesting if we see in later seasons a Chloe being used by her mom (like she used Sabrina) and asking LB and CN to help her.

[@hazeclarke]

Not sure to be honest!

[@patrickkh1245]

Omg kagami, Adrien, Chloe and Felix being sentimonsters is such a cool idea. They are the children of the most powerful people in miraculous. It also makes sense that Audrey knows Gabriels identety since She sits beside him and tsurugi in thos episode and andre was an old friend of Gabriel. But if Audrey borrowed the peacock miraculous like Felix’s dad and Nathalie doesnt She Get sick too?

[@pawu15]

​@@patrickkh1245Assuming Aubrey was already a rich asshole when she had chloe, she probably put some random employee to do that and then watched them die.

[@mateglokler7504]

13:00 I think it’s not about their physical age but their mental age and how they matured.

[@Bezaliel13]

Realistically, Andre should get all the backlash for Chloe's rule as her father and the former mayor.

[@hazeclarke]

Definitely

[@Bezaliel13]

@@hazeclarke Smarty Pants complained about how fast Mrs. Bustier went into politics, but it made sense after the crazy nonsense Andre caused, in quitting with apparently no vice mayor, his daughter taking over as a dictator, and his not doing *anything* to prevent it, like "that's not how being mayor works."

[@Soomi.kk1]

I can’t get over the kiss scene! 😭

[@Howaboutyes11]

Omg 😭 this episode I can’t Im so confused on my feelings✨

[@Blou1372]

Okay! I see your point towards Chloe! In that moment she got what she deserved…but.. after your statement… it seems that…… she’s just broken… she wasn’t given the right discipline and love she needed from her parents… wasn’t taught what is RIGHT OR WRONG I always thought it was because Thomas REALLY hated this character but that is the unfortunate reality of many children! They are broken.. they become hateful… loveless… to the point where they CANT be saved…. Most children.. teens… commit crimes such as murder and show NO REMORSE in court… Ladybug…. Ms. Bustier… Adrien… tried to connect with Chloe.. help her… guide her… but then… it was already too late to save her….

[@hazeclarke]

like don't get me wrong, chloe is able to make her own choice to change but that's not easy to do at all. she just needs help

[@fixymuffin9898]

Dude, I just finished watching the episode and I am legit crying. I know I’m just emotional like that, but damn 😭✋🏻

[@ItsArcticVision]

The heroes being able to use their power indefinitely and never changing back again after using them changes everything, surely they’ll be harder to be defeated/captured by villains in season 6. I’m excited to see what they do with that. Also with Chloe, my opinion is that her mum essentially taking control of her life is wrong, but at the same time she deserves it because she’s been allowed to do whatever she wants for too long and look at where that got her. It really is bitter sweet, because we have seen that she has a good side to her yet astruct just refused to give her the redemption that was set up, idc if he says it was “a betrayal arc” there was no indication of her planning to betray ladybug at all but oh well… if we hadn’t seen her try to change in seasons 2/3 I wouldn’t have a part of me that feels sorry for her at the end of this episode, and I interpret her crying after marinette giving her a reality check as her needing to make someone feel terrible so that she can feel relevant but ultimately I suppose she brought what’s happened on herself, with a bit of a nudge from both Lila and Gabrielle. If it’s true that astruct is no longer involved in the show from s6 and that Jeremy zag is taking over, then maybe we could see Chloe again but idk what his views on her character is Bcuz astruct hates Chloe which is why the redemption was scrapped, but honestly this episode seems final, like there’s no way of her returning ever again and if that’s the case… then that’s a pretty damn tragic ending for someone that could’ve been so much more than a stereotypical bratty character ALSO, I had watched the leaked storyboard ep for this months before the ep came out and so I sort of knew what was gonna happen, BUT DAMN I DIDNT EXPECG THE ENDING WITH ADRIEN LEAVING TO BE THAT EMOTIONAL 🥹 Edit: not sure how I feel about a teacher being the mayor. She could barely keep Chloe in check during class and was just as stupid in believing lila’s lies as everyone else was. But who knows I could be wrong. Also yeah after this ep I DESPISE Gabriel!

[@hazeclarke]

I am looking forward to see how they use their upgraded powers! In some ways I agree that Chloe deserves it, but also like… her mum is one of the reasons she ended up this way. So while I’m glad her mum is taking responsibility for Chloe, it doesn’t seem she’s taking it for what she’s done too

[@pinkprincess6136]

Yesterday I thought I was going to not like this episode because Chloe was the new mayor but I ended up liking it because Marinette and Adrien kissed and because it made me cry when they have to be separated from each other. I hope they find a way to be together again. And I wanted Chloe to be redeemed because she was Queen Bee and because her bullying Marinette is getting old. Also I liked that reveal almost happened. I also feel bad for Chloe but I'm kinda glad she won't be back for a while because she's been more bad than she was in season 3. I feel more bad for Adrien and Marinette.

[@gamingchannel9185]

Yes there is an extra scene.Chloe is looking for her briefcase and lila grabbed it.Lila controls the robots and tsurugi and gabriel ran away.Back in her car tsurugi controls the robots with another briefcase

[@Trixolf]

I personally really liked this episode, I'm happy Chloe is finally out of the picture, I hope she'll return as a better person in S6. It was really nice to see Ladybug and Chat Noir finally have their full power, even though it is a tad bit too early, Mrs. Bustier as mayor is a great idea. But Gabe being emotionless as Adrien has a breakdown was a bit.. too much evil? What you said Haze should've been what happened, and Lila getting that computer is game-changing, I can't wait until the Finale Overall, great episode in my opinion

[@hazeclarke]

I would really love Chloe to come back!

[@ormapa1206]

I personally saw it as growing up personally and I kinda liked it.

[@babelfish311]

I can see why you're conflicted about Chloe. I think at least part of it is Lila still digging her claws in, so Chloe plans to do one thing (like not work with Monarch) but then Lila wants things to go another way. But the fact they had that segment with all the public support, that I think was too much, they could have played it down to maybe just not seeing an active protest because of the robots. I agree that with them holding onto their transformations it was too soon. I like that they could hold onto them for longer, and they could have still used that. With Plagg talking to Adrien as he leaves he can have just said "your powers are evolving" (not evolved) and maybe about growing up into them. I mean Kim had towels, they could have covered them up so they didn't reveal identities! Overall I think they've messed around too much with Chloe and her character arc. But I think that last scene with her on the phone was still impactfuk and if we don't see her again this season it was a good end point. That actual ending scene though omg, that atmosphere I hope comes through to the next episode well.

[@hazeclarke]

oh for sure i liked them being able to hold on a little longer but im not sure now was the right time for forever. and ngl i think as soon as they got out of the shield, the kids would have gathered around and protected them while the kwamis recharfed oh god they ahve utterly destoryed chloe and i hate it. jsut pick one path and do it well

[@kuldeeppal4576]

Hazal at this point I am thinking the chloe had a crush on mari while looking at chloe's meltdown she wanted mari to notice her

[@parmisroshani1380]

You know, this episode represented the things that happen in my country in everyday life, the choosing of the Meyer whiteout election, and that part that they arrested everyone who stood up to them it just showed my country perfectly I know this wasn't at all what they meant but I just thought it showed perfectly what is happening in non democratic countries in every day life. And that kiss part just broke my heart into pieces, and it was the first time I ever cried in the show

[@shootingstarssel4182]

I love that their powers grew because of their character growth and mental growth, not based on age. I love it all. When it comes to Chloe at the end, it finally shows how her power is entirely gone. I say it is karma justice right there, as the only reason why Chloe called Marinette is to take her down more to raise herself more, trying to show she still has power, especially on Marinette, as she is Chloe's favorite victim out of everyone. Still, at this point, Marinette isn't taking it anymore like before; she let Chloe say whatever she wanted. Still, she cuts her off and tells her what she thinks, not taking her BS and that her power over her is gone. There's nothing she can do anymore, which leaves Chloe powerless and alone. I say she deserves it as even though there were outside influences, she still made choices in the end because this episode really showed that she was just a puppet for "Lila" and Monarch Daddy to use an get what they want in the future. I don't sympathize with Chloe, like I understand her feelings and her family situation, especially with her mother. I majored in psychology and am now in a master's school to be an MFT; yes, Chloe is an abused child. Her mom is an absent parent and still neglects her when she's living in Paris, but that still isn't an excuse for being a terrible person or anything like that; yes, it explains her behavior, but it doesn't excuse it in the end. As for Andre, it is more showing that he's going to cut off his toxic family; like yeah, Andre was one of the reasons why Chloe turned out the way she is. Still, he knows there's nothing more he can do for her; Chloe won't listen and probably thought this would be the best for her, even its with her abusive mother so... That's what I believe, but I get the feeling I need to better think this out better. 😅

[@hazeclarke]

i can see chloe crying expressing that! ah i just idk i still feel so bad for her! but disagree with andre. he needs to take respnsibility

[@shootingstarssel4182]

@@hazeclarke yeah i agree with you about andre it just big think to really break down whats going on in his head

[@ChristmasBob]

Hey Haze. I hear,that Switzerland is really near the end of Season 5. They are getting the last episodes of Season 5. Like Confrontation / Collusion / Revolution / Conformation / Re-creation. I don't know,if they are gettn 27 Action or not. They might ready for Season 6. All the people on twitter are just Shocked & surprised that Marinette & Adrien finally kissed. Some people said,they were crying,when they kissed. They were highly excited & cheerful. This episode comes in August for me. I can't wait to see it either!!!!!....I might be shocked & surprised too. Some people are also saying that Chloe might leave Paris & never come back. I never like her,ever since I started watching Miraculous Ladybug. She was cruel to Marinette. I also hope,she leaves & doesn't come back. Yes I know,Lila is still there. She needs to stay on(Again,I heard years ago,She might become the next Hawkmoth & Felix will be her assistant). Another episdoe,I wana see is the episode where Lila takes off her burgundy wig(thought it was her real hair) & throws it,in the trash. She becomes someone else.

[@jumanahkalam4661]

Ok I give this episode a 9/10 and here are my thought: 1. Okay at first when Marinette opened the news on her screen that girl-? Lila's twin-? Like wha-😂💀? 2. Chloe......I know Hazel thought that she wore the winter outfit cuz she is the new mayor but......sadly it was her akumatized form but that doesn't matter cuz we all here for it!- 3. It's funny how monarch daddy left after akumatizing chloe😂😂😂 Monarch daddy: voyage! *slowly backs away into the portal*😂 4. THEIR POWER UPPSSSS?!?!??? THEY CAN NOW USE THEIR POWER AS MUCH AS THWY WANTTTTTTR?!?!??!?OMGGGGGGGGG CHAT NOIR LOOKS SOOOO HAPPYTO USE HIS CATACLYSM AWWWWW🥺😭🥺😭🥺😭🥺😭 MY CHILDREN HAS GROWN UP 😭!!!!! 5. The kiss......THE FUCKING KISSSS- brb gotta throw up-🤚😭 They held each other so tight that Maurice and the construction man couldn't even separate them- this roasted my love life so hard like- Ahhhhh the view from the 6th floor window looks very nice today! lemme just- Overall idk what to say- it was a good episode the kiss....yh I am going to be crying for the next 5 days-😭 good episode and let me know what you think about my thoughts!

[@hazeclarke]

lmaooo i did like gabriel backing into the portal lol but yessss the kissssssssss amazing

[@00ferzzz]

Just watched revelation and representation back to back and they were really good!!

[@jacobdagoat]

I’m so exited to see what Lila has in store!!!!

[@sabitazizov3440]

Speaking personally, I really liked this episode. There are some moments that I would like to mention that I genuinely loved and some that make me question the writing: 1) First of all, I would like to start with the moment where Cat Noir was telling Ladybug that he agrees with her as they shouldn't interfere with the situation as if now, so that people don't see them as villains. During this moment, he tells her that he believes adults and governmental bodies will take care of this. At this moment, I legit snapped. I was like: "Well then, where were these government officials when a LITERAL 14/15 YEAR OLD GIRL takes over as a mayor of Paris!?!? What's their excuse for not showing up, starting elections, or something!? You bunch of imbecile!!!". In addition, isn't Andre supposed to have a deputy mayor figure, for example, the fencing teacher from the school? Like surely, a normal person would expect some adults to step up, but nope, Chloe is the mayor now, like she is some princess in monarchic country taking crown after the king. 2) Chloe again working with Gabe, AGAIN!!! Like you just said in the previous episode that Monarch is a criminal, even though everyone already knew that. However, instead of arresting him, she lets him akumatise her AGAIN and give some powers to her robots. At least, she was still herself when she was akumatised. 3) Ladybug and Cat Noir are in full control over their miraculous, and they can detransform whenever they want. That was so cool. Ever since season 4, I have wanted Cat Noir to get an upgrade, and what better upgrade than infinite use of Cataclysm. All i need now is for him to be able to shoot his cataclysm like Cat Blanc because it would give him range. 4) The idea of Mrs. Bustier being a mayor. Personally, I like the idea. However, given the fact that she had a few deficiencies as a teacher, I am not so sure how she would do as a future mayor. At least anything is better than nothing, am I right? 5) THE ADRIANETTE KISS. YES. A HUNDRED TIMES YES. I HAVE WAITED FAR TOO LONG FOR THIS DAMN MOMENT TO HAPPEN AND NOW I CAN REST EASILY.

[@hazeclarke]

lmaooo nope! adults are so incompetent at times XD i see what you're saying about miss bustier, but i do think at the very least she won't take bribes

[@sabitazizov3440]

@haze clarke Well it is true, Mrs. Bustier probably won't take bribes or abuse her power if she gets elected as mayor. Don't get me wrong, Andre was a very decent/good mayor as well. However, he abused his power so much, like he interfered in Mr. Damocles' decision-making when Chloe was accusing Marinette of stuff and whatnot. He also fired Roger from his job, which caused his akumatization. He also wrapped around Chloe's fingers and did what she asked. I just hope Mrs. Bustier, if she gets elected, becomes a better mayor. Also, I forgot to mention this in my favorite moments from that episode. When I saw people agreeing with Chloe being the mayor and deciding against Ladybug and Cat Noir, I was disappointed with them. Like, hello, if it wasn't for them, Paris would've been in ruins by now or worse. When I saw the same ticket selling man from season 4, Qulin episode, complaining about Ladybug and Cat Noir, I got angry. If someone doesn't punish this man, idk anymore. Sorry for my rant, by the way.😅😅😅

[@Mayflower1129a]

when I saw Adrien leave for London and marinette chases after him, i though' Haze must be having a Haze storm'.

[@hazeclarke]

😂😂😂😂

[@Hope4aisha]

Thomas said there were 3 sentimonsters and after [REPRESENTATION SPOILER] where I think Adrien and Felix are both half sentimonsters meaning they are 1 put together that would mean Kagami is one and also Chloe as Audrey says she’s gonna take over her life. I personally believe that Chloe’s amok is in her glasses. They were also the only young ones to be at the formal event thing in Gabriel Agreste

[@Errorrrr22]

I agree, cus she ALWAYS wears them. Even, when it's cold

[@korra__]

the thing is how would Audrey even get the peacock miraculous in the first place?

[@hazeclarke]

I’m not sure you can be half. And it seems the boys were made separately

[@isabellagraceaustin4485]

This episode made me cry for 4 hours after I had watched it 😢

[@hazeclarke]

Omg 🥺🥺

[@Lindalovesart]

Haze, I just randomly remembered that you said that you would dress up for Cat Noir for this finale since you dressed up for Ladybug last season so I hope you'll still do it. Also, this is the first episode since Strike Back to make me cry

[@virenderkaur9038]

Have you seen Representation?

[@hazeclarke]

Yep!

[@virenderkaur9038]

@@hazeclarke 👍🏼

[@ITZHUMAYL11]

I was crying soo much at the end of it

[@siyahole1239]

I was just waiting for your reaction to this whole episode Haze 😄😄😄 😄 😄😄😄

[@oklik]

I always have said since the season 3 finale that Chloe could only get a TRUE redemption arc after she has hit rock bottom and lost everything she's ever cared about. And now she finally has: she has been overthrown and ousted as mayor, stripped of every ounce of power, is now universally hated by the entirety of Paris, has lost her only friends, has been abandoned by her allies, has been personally exiled by her former pushover father to live in New York with her self-absorbed and controlling mother, who blames her for their family name being ruined and vows to take control of her life, and seen her once-favorite punching bag Marinette stand up to her and shut her down one last time by laying out the cold hard truths about her, the last of which finally breaks her pride and spirit. And those who believe that Andre has disowned Chloe or isn't taking responsibility for helping make her into this super brat, I believe it's actually the opposite. Andre likely gave her a very big chewing out and deciding that she was going to live with her mother for the foreseeable future in order to teach her a hard lesson. Why? Because you've seen how Audrey is to those she deems as losers (she's even worse than Chloe is), and she certainly sees Chloe as a loser now. She's likely going to treat Chloe like a slave just like her daughter treated Sabrina, or like how Gabriel has controlled everything Adrien has done. Chloe might even. get sent to a super strict school for the wealthy, where she won't be popular or have access to much her wealth or influence (since Audrey won't be spoiling her obviously) or any "lackeys", and she might even get bullied herself by the other kids. And that's what Andre is banking on: that living with her mother will cause her to experience the same treatment she dished out to others for so long and it will finally make her see how she hurt people and make her realize how bad it feels and how much of a monster she acted like, and THAT will finally be what gets her to change. He figures that the only way Chloe will learn is to get a strong taste of her own medicine, from both her mother and others.

[@hazeclarke]

a section of missing script from collusion was revealed actually and shows andre basically disowning her and honestly i\m disgusted with him. disowning his daughter and leaving her with her abusive mother

[@oklik]

@@hazeclarke I've seen that scene in the script. Like I said, I don't think he disowns her. He likely realizes that Chloe's brattiness has become more than he can handle, especially considering she likely lost any and all respect for him after he stepped down as mayor. So he leaves her with Audrey because 1, she's no pushover, and 2, because she's an even worse version of Chloe, and as seen in the scene on the plane, she has vowed to make her life miserable for ruining their family name. And as I said, Andre figures that her getting a taste of her own medicine and undergoing the same mistreatment she dishes out to everyone else for years will finally get her to clean up her act. But hey, that's just my take on it.

[@christiannataylor2735]

I think that the purpose of having them be adults was, because it was trying to say that theirissues and problems are valid. They are at the age they should gain agency over themselves and their issues are serious. It's probably why Chloe started out as just a brat, maybe it was a statement on how bullies end up being powerful, public figures. Or I could be reading too much into a kids show.

[@MegaJohnny74]

adulthood is a state of mind not rotations around the sun taking care of paris daily will surely put some gray hairs on ladybug and cat noir

[@hazeclarke]

Sadly I do not believe either of them are mature enough with the way they both often act

[@MegaJohnny74]

true

[@beanziea]

anyway i am still unapologetically a chloe stan

[@yourlocalchloesimp]

YAS QUEEN

[@Ieatx]

Y E S

[@Milly__Yt]

This whole episode is the definition of "emotional damage"

[@tamyasaunders7689]

i wondered if audrey said chloe ruined their family reputation because she tried to unmask paris superheroes or because she was rooting for monarch and failed to steal the miraculous

[@themysterio6126]

Revolution was a good episode, I liked it mostly at the end lol, but them grewing up with unlimited usage of powers, never would have seen coming. AND THE OUTFIT ❤ >>

[@hazeclarke]

The outfit was fabulous! 🥰

[@simonGale99]

I was in love with Chloe at the end of season 2 and on season 3 but after then I think it was kinda impossible to be on her team bc of her actions. We also met Zoe who took her place as holder of bee miraculous and honestly I thought that they have just decided that Chloe will be bad character till the end of the show. But now I wonder, maybe Chloe will understand her mistakes and will come back to Paris with new attitude. I wish bc deep down I still love our queen bee!

[@hazeclarke]

honestly i had really hoped zoe was going to help chloe

[@beanziea]

No but like im not even mad about chloe anymore, thats so whatever. Really the writing is whats annoying me. Like this whole mayor thing, what? 😭

[@hazeclarke]

It’s so odd

[@Ieatx]

Tbh it’s so rushed imo 😭😭😭

[@bagon_the_bacon]

This episode made no sence.Every time Chloé is on screen the show gets more and more illogical and dhe slows the story down

[@hazeclarke]

Yep!