HD Starcraft 2 Dongraegu v San ZvP

[@utkua]

Great games you are casting these days HD, you still got genuine enthusiasm for the game.

[@DeadliestWarriorZZ]

Very interesting game and well casted as usual. Good job, HD!

[@evelic]

Brilliant gameplay by both players. I really like how the zerg kept with the macro and how the protoss intelligently dealt with the zerg weak points. This was an EXCELENTE game.

[@VorseRaiderStrike]

I'm not very good at Starcraft 2, or understand it that well, but I've recently started watching these and love them.

[@StubbornProgrammer]

That voidray recall maneuver was really nice. I think Protoss need to make more use of that kind of thinking vs. zerg that are using a replenishable units, because preserving your own expensive units is so important.

[@Zeratul723]

This match deserves an "EPIC" tag. For certain. DAMN what a match. Wow. Well-played by both.

[@Krishannpatel]

Sure do different games but hd, don't forget the true king of competitive gaming

[@J2K4U]

I'm not wrong. Lock at 18:05 He starts the 2nd air attack upgrade immediately and he is building void rays and not tempest. so fleet beacon doesnt mean tempest or carriers like HD said. so his intention behind the fleet beacon was to upgrade air upgrades level 2. and there are 4 in-game minutes between the fleet beacon and the tempest. he just switched to tempest, because he had the time and focused on air. I just want to show that HD was wrong :)

[@mackrauss]

What a great PvZ! Thanks for the awesome cast!!

[@MrThrashman666]

This is one of the best games I've ever seen!

[@keco122]

even though i never played starcraft,i love watching the matches...

[@FaithYGO]

DAMN HDstarcraft you make games soooo freaking EPIC! xD

[@snappyT3]

Glad to have you back, HD! And I think it would be awesome if you started casting some Dota! :D

[@Detroit_Dawg]

One of the BEST PvZ's I've seen in a long time!!! WOW!

[@gyl08]

@SavageJunky I'm not a pro but I think zerg usually throws 10 spines if 1: they have too many drones and maxed out and 2: at that time, he only have 1+K, not too much to throw into static def. and be susceptible if you loose your main army and wont be able to replenish.

[@tractorchute]

HD my good man, enjoyed the new vid as always. I have also posted the new friday challenge vids, a day late but still they were epic :D

[@milkman703]

that was possibly the best protoss game Ive seen

[@arsarma1808]

AFAIK, there is no limit to the number of units that can be fungaled at once. Graviton Catapult causes the interceptors to clump up, so a single fungal should disable entire squadrons of drones.

[@rflores9962]

I love seeing void rays in the thumbnails

[@robban87a7079]

HD Starcraft you rock!

[@702lakersfan]

That moment where there's one minute left in the game, and u dont know who might win

[@OSILVEROBULLETO]

Gnarly game by both. I think the San deserved the win with his exceptional play!

[@waferpie123]

"CRITICAL STORMS!" 2 seconds later protoss retreats getting spanked, lol @ casters

[@MrMustach11]

i have a love/hate relationship with HD....right now i'm stocked to watch!!!!!

[@SSJ3Lunar]

Goddamn HD I was just about to sleep! xD

[@ldaulaire]

It looks like when it dropped off the minerals it went back in the green. Very curious!

[@TheMrXcalizorz]

he can also go for the phoenix range upgrade and hadnt made any because he didnt want to reveal them in case of a muta switch

[@Zojirushi.2.16]

Could you do a DOTA 2 cast on the recent grandfinals? Maybe the navi/orange match as well as that was aweosme.

[@YoungKimHorn]

holy crap that was good game

[@em34ev3r]

no one else notice how boss that DT was? 60 fucking worker kill lolol...

[@Rodion3211]

Please cast all the games not just the last game, we want to see the buildup and back story

[@grejsancoprative]

It is not the race or the effin apm that win games, it's the player that win the game.

[@woodworkercod1986]

"And we have a fleet beacon and that means only 1 thing. Tempest or carriers" OH silly HD that's 2 things.

[@arsarma1808]

No, it's one thing. I am surprise you didn't catch he was pointing out San, like many other protoss, would not use carriers.

[@cicciter]

What would you call a ling runby? Pressure at further expos?

[@demaciu88]

that was pure sic toss play against a strong zerg, that's the zerg play we usually see but San just never got tired, those storm got sexier the longer the game went, usually the other way around.

[@GTorrB]

everytime HD says the transition aa(m).. take a shot, I tried and now im...so..fucking ...dRunk ;)

[@endre1989]

There were two probes, if you look closely, you can see the death animation. :)

[@nathariassmith6603]

Players can change. Tempests and carriers are two separate things. Fleet beacon then means two things.

[@scorinaldi]

"kudos to san for being a late game PROTOSS able to go toe to toe with late game ZERG" lol

[@Rumplefrumple]

the issue is the macro doesnt take as much apm so there are times when my apm drops to zero when playing ptoss because there is simply no point in clicking. for battles its hardly a move to win. my apm when microing is at around 200 and for macro i only need about 60. ptoss units are supposed to win direct engagements it is the design of the race. z needs to focus on harrass and run by to a greater degree to win. working multiple spellcasters at one time is difficult despite what you might say.

[@dudsmack1]

great play by the Toss! Awesome game!

[@wilymcgee]

fleet beacon - "means only one thing, tempests or carriers" lol

[@blingkid00]

i love how even the pros at wcs that play protoss were saying protoss is op at the time.

[@Rumplefrumple]

most of what you are describing relies on the mothership core almost exclusively which can only be in one place at any given time and only has energy to do these things infrequently. you either need to know where the mothership core is or take it out.

[@sunnyboyswitzerland]

that lonely mutalisk should have protected the bottom base from drops... poor thing

[@Andytlp]

That toss deserves a pat on his back, damn great game from both players.. he just ownd the zerg. Was he a zerg before?

[@Malacite]

Each race has a fair bit of micro when it comes to engagements, though P is definitely the least intensive of the 3 overall (including Macro). Chronoboost and Warpgate make for fairly simple but effective mechanics. As a Z you have to think a little more about how you engage, e..g getting a decent surround on the enemy. Us T players have it the hardest imo, since the bulk of our army are glass cannons.Yeah stim does crazy damage but bio requires near-perfect control in the mid~late game.

[@Dewoy1]

very nice game i realy like the voidray snipe with the mcore i will remember on that move

[@woodworkercod1986]

It was 2, the word OR is indicative of that fast. He could do option 1 OR option 2.

[@sagagear]

San got demolished by taeja in the final. The one game you posted, yet San did well.

[@xxTurtles12xx]

can anyone tell me what type of computers the pros play with?

[@cicciter]

As a terran I see what you mean, ghost/raven is a nightmare to micro, even stim is hard to use if you have ghosts in the mix :S

[@FearlesPK]

well but zerg needs one more bases than toss, which means I have to build 3 spines and spores in at least 2 bases and it is still not enought to def DTs or void snipes, cannons can shot air and ground so 2 are enoguh to def either mutas of lings, plus toss has only 1 base to defend that way

[@peetythefly1]

No, the probes were stacked because they were sent to the mineral line.

[@voodookid123]

You are wrong. San did make tempests. Check out the 21:05 mark.

[@RyukoMeows]

"protoss is supposed to win in direct engagements" this isn't quite correct. Protoss is meant to have the most powerful but expensive and hard to reproduce units. Zerg is supposed to have endless waves of weak but cheap to produce units. Terran is in between and emphasizes versatility.

[@ninjaong87]

anyone else noticed the zerg totally forgot about hydra range?

[@Locbui1989]

that was actually a really good game

[@peanutbutters87]

Would be cool to play some Dota 2 games with you HD!

[@mephistoss238]

HD its not azubusan its Azubu's Frost San

[@joescmoe3662]

someone should tell san about mass recall, he lost his whole army for no reason after killing that 4th

[@AzuraAravis]

"Fleet Beacon, that does mean, of course, only one thing: Tempests or Carriers"... or Mothership, or tech...

[@Andytlp]

I usually don't spoil games, you should know better, watch the video before reading any comments... or better yet, skip to the end, see who wins, go back to reading comments, then watch the video from the start to see how he lost/won it, it's how some of the films start, they show u the end, then goes back to the start and goes back to the end.

[@hotpack12350]

Dongraegu had enough sources to make ultralisk

[@wilymcgee]

ummm, actually the joke is tempests or carriers are two things, which is not on thing like HD said.

[@ThePsychoticOtter]

omg why did san time warp instead of save for mass recall... ouch...

[@Konranjyoutai]

Damn protoss looks hard, a-moving and using force fields and storm; how do they do it!? This toss' had a blistering 80apm. EIGHTY APM, HOW CAN HIS FINGERS EVEN HANDLE IT?!?!?!?

[@iOnlySignIn]

The joke is Tempests or Carriers are pretty much the same thing.

[@madzumo]

The great variety of units & features that Protoss has in HOTS is OUTSTANDING compared to the pitiful underdog Zergs.

[@johnsonli3370]

Well, its basically the reverse of WOL. Remember when protoss had to end the game early or else its insanely hard to win? Protoss didn't have much to counter broodlords back then. Their only hope was the archon toilet which was not only incredibly are to pull off without the mothership core being sniped, but also nerfed 3 times. Now its the exact the same situation vs protoss.

[@Neosaigo]

Actually they both Capital Ships if we want to get technical about it.

[@xiaosun4404]

Check out the prob at 16:30. What's wrong with it.

[@brandonlangston7771]

gorgeous game

[@303HammerHead]

Also, APM and EPM are not the same. High APM doesn't mean high EPM...

[@SavageJunky]

Bronze noob question 1: Why it's not a good idea (Never saw a GM zerg do it) to put a spine\spore wall with just 3-4 vipers to completely lock a counter attack path ? Viper can charge on spore, Small units gets destroy by spine and vipers can easily abduct any big \long range units in middle of the wall... Here, DRG could completely lock the north path with 2000 mineral ? If the big army decide to charge that wall, you squeeze the army between the mobile army and the wall... ?

[@Rodion3211]

What happen to one game a day

[@hybriDcember]

this is game's so sicc!! thx HD

[@JScarbaugh]

I'd like to see some Dota content. That sounds awesome and I'm now looking forward to it.

[@theKbott]

Soo close even at the end!

[@traluxi]

Yeah but having one more base also rewards you with more income which in return allows you to build more spine crawlers, And cannons are actually really bad against both lings and mutas. You just build them to buy time until your units arrive/are warped in to defend.e DTs are way easier to kill than zerglings/mutas (once they are revealed). A spine and a spore kill a ling-army worth of DTs (one :P) with ease.

[@Rumplefrumple]

often times ptoss isnt given the opportunity to make the deathball, good run bys muta harrass banes in the mineral line usually prevent the overwhelming force from being created. if the zerg fails to prevent the ptoss from reaching every part of the tech tree then the zerg has failed and deserves to lose.

[@mephistoss238]

watch out guys we got a toss over here

[@peetythefly1]

mothership core recall should not work on units that are currently fungalled.

[@SavageJunky]

Bronze noob question 2 : @ 13:00 Why DRG taking a 4th ? It's not better to drop 10 spine at 3rd, and slowly move spine wall to take 4th ? I know it's usually noob to talk about static defense, but zerg spine and spore can move... The north of the map was completely open to easy counter attack the entire game... He lost 3 hatch, tons of drones, Lot of attack time to defend the north... All this could be save by 8-10 spines ?

[@nbrigdan]

You should really try that then, at that point there are so many interceptors it's actually impossible to get them all. Trust me, force an engagement with that unit comp and GG

[@DudeGamer8]

More Stardust and San!!!!

[@arsarma1808]

Infestor would assrape that like no other. Interceptors cannot attack while fungaled, and the archons do not have the range to counter. Anything with range can kill the helpless units after than.

[@kaissarMCR]

I always read the comments to laugh at people's arguments but I saw your comment, thanks for spoiling bro *skips to next vid*

[@with.the.y]

why no 1080p?!

[@samuelhuang8]

Since you think its so easy, why don't you try and send in your reply to HD?

[@nbrigdan]

There isn't, but the thing is, when 80 interceptors come at you, they kill units so quickly that they jump around and your fungals will either miss, or only grab a few interceptors, honestly I've played this vs. my friend who has good micro (low masters/high diamond all races) and I'm bad at the game but honestly with equal supply no matter what zerg unit comp he can't do anything to it.

[@StriderZessei]

In theory, yes. In this game, however, I worry that P would have lost had it not been for his harassment.

[@TempestTossedWaters]

Whaat? You're right, how's that possible?

[@sepferath]

I dn quite agree with u~ T Gm with apm 60-70 is quite impossible except he is using mech... U need to hav perfect micro vs other GM during tvp and tvz.... U can said that there is Toss Gm or Zerg Gm around with highest apm about 60-70 but not with T Gm.... As this two ohter races require less micro and more on understanding about the rts game....

[@MrBrendan20004]

"z needs to focus on harrass" Zerg has harass now? Did I miss a patch or something?

[@ricodelta1]

great match

[@exiledrabbit]

it could also mean phoenix range upgrade :D

[@J2K4U]

Wrong. HD and his lack of knowledge: Fleet Beacon allows the Level 2 and Level 3 Air Weapons and Air Armor upgrades to be researched at the Cybernetics Core^^ that's why San needed the Fleet Beacon.

[@pokeshuriken]

How does protoss complain about zerg endgame army when protoss end game army is op and crushes everything?