He Applied to 24 Medical Schools and Didn't Get In | Application Renovation (S2 E11)

[@SnorlaxNaps]

I would just like to give a round of applause to these brave and humble students who are willing to have Dr. Gray rip apart their applications for thousands of people to see. Good for you guys. And of course, we are all so appreciate of what Dr. Gray does for us. These videos are fantastic!

[@nicholascheney6331]

I know that the goal of this is to help people fix their flaws in their applications, but could you maybe bring someone on that did a really good job and show a good example of how someone should do their application? I feel like that could be beneficial to everyone watching. Just an idea

[@melanieparedes202]

Yes!

[@yazzy3226]

I think aside from the personal statement/writing/activities, there isn’t a “right” way to do your application. People get in with variable stats and applications.

[@MissMega75]

He has mentioned on Insta that he is working on a series with successful apps!

[@youngjaypark8046]

I agree. I feel that he has shown enough of similar mistakes so far. It's time to see some good examples.

[@belencita9526]

my mcat was lower than his but my gpa was a lot better. got in last cycle. it’s all so variable. i have strong interviewing skills but again, very subjective

[@tweety11226]

I took the MCAT three times: 22, 23 and 501 Sci GPA 3.53 and overall 3.62 Got 7 Interviews all US MD Programs. Submitted my primary in October and secondaries the day before most were due. Took 5 years between undergrad and med school I only applied once. I hope this applicant got into a medical school 😊🥰. I hope everyone gets into medical schools. Even if you don't get in the first time, try again. Don't give up. We need more doctors in the world ☺

[@Akilahh]

Why am I just finding this channel?! Definition of a gem 💎

[@xCarbonRed]

This guy’s EC’s are insane and his MCAT is too. Maybe his letters and interview were weak but I have no doubt he’s gonna get in multiple places next year

[@WillvsFear]

His only EC lacking seems to be clinical experience and shadowing, 105 hours seems like a good number on the surface but nowadays 200+ is the bare minimum. I had rack up 400-450 for my application and from what I talked about with my interviewers they said that it was the good average amount of hours that fits as an undergrad schedule

[@xCarbonRed]

Chaos yeah I have that same problem rn. I only have 110 clinical volunteering and was gonna volunteer this summer but can’t cuz of covid-19, I hope they have secondaries where you can explain how it affected you

[@ritaassani6291]

Is working in a nursing home (Care home) as a CNA, good enough for clinical experience? I am working on having more doctor/physician shadowing experience, Which is hard having a job and this virus is not making things easier.

[@WillvsFear]

Mad Spongebob hey bro hang in there, I know there’s a lot of talks rn with med school admissions on how this would affect future applicants so I’m sure they’ll come up with some sort of compromise. As for that, minimum should be 400-500 hours at least but you should stay consistent, even if within 2 years you can’t rack up that much staying consistent would make you stand out better to them than making the checkbox as he said

[@WillvsFear]

rita assani I would argue that it does count because you’re working in a medical environment with some knowledge of the medical field as a CNA. Some schools however may not think the same and it’s best you contact the school admissions board themselves by shooting them an email if their website doesn’t clarify

[@XSimonY]

Medical school admission is a complete crap shoot. I had one interview at my in-state school which resulted in one admission, no waitlist. I just got very lucky with who I interviewed with. The last guy to come off the waitlist turned out to be AOA and #1 in my class. I sat comfortably around the 50th percentile.

[@daveyjones3016]

Simon Yang just goes to show all anyone needs is a chance.

[@minhdau7897]

what does AOA mean?

[@daveyjones3016]

@@minhdau7897 Its alpha omega alpha. Its like the medical school equivalence of national junior honor society in HS except AOA holds alot of weight when applying for residency. You have to be in the top of your graduating class and do great on boards.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

@@daveyjones3016 I think it’s also because state schools favor state applicants way more then they prefer out of state applicants

[@acd1168]

That’s how I feel about this whole process. That I will be classmates with some people who have 3.92 and 522 MCAT yet I don’t have those stats.

[@oluwagbogoajimoko9035]

If he was applying for a PhD program, his application would have been top-notch.

[@xplicitgoofy1015]

Why specifically a PhD program ?

[@oluwagbogoajimoko9035]

Because of the in depth and quantity of research experience he has.

[@jaygee3472]

man this brings me the horror memory of applying to medical school..I'm an attending doctor now and honestly I think they should get rid of or de-emphasize the importance of personal statement. Majority of it is just exaggerated lies to look empathetic to the reviewers.

[@19yamyam97]

Yes. I feel that if you don’t have a personal sob story or haven’t had a traumatic experience your personal statement seems weak

[@matthewlee4834]

Totally agree

[@zhizhixoxo]

I went to UConn and damn this kid did well in some very hard classes that like no one does well in - props to him!!!

[@calvinklein6903]

Props to this guy for having his app ripped apart so that we can learn from some of his mistakes.

[@justinemurphy8423]

I can see how his story and stuff did not line up, but his PS also had a lot of grammatical errors and I have heard on podcasts where schools that get a lot of applications will find reasons to narrow down the pool, grammar being one of them... just a thought that could be brought up in these videos too

[@saltyandsouthern]

Very true! Grammar and spelling is a hint towards how much time he spent thinking about his personal statement. Seems like a very intelligent guy, just wish he would pursue a PhD, he doesn't seem like he wants to treat people face to face. Maybe he just needs more patient contact to develop that need to help people.

[@jmcneill1961]

I've hired 100s of professionals during my career. Any application with grammar and spelling errors is an automatic reject. It indicates the applicant was careless and did not take the application seriously or was too ignorant to work on a professional staff. I think this is a tendency of most hiring professionals who take their work seriously.

[@jackiele5019]

This is so great Dr. Gray. I have similar stats w him and your advices are helpful as I’m thinking about crafting my application. I can see clearly the importance of having your story and demonstrating it throughout the activities and personal stmt. This student has done many great things but reading his application, it was not clear why he wants to do medicine.

[@DrAnjali_Sharma]

It was actually clear why he wanted to pursue medicine, it is just that his reason for wanting to do medicine may not align with the medical school preferences. He is doing it for the intellectual side of medicine, which is fine. However, he just needs to show that he cares about the patient-interaction as well.

[@davidvolk143]

You are spot on! Love of problem solving is a hobby and not a reason for med school. Many jobs involve life-long learning. Write about your impact on people on their impact on you.

[@danieley4]

I'm going to be honest, a lot of his critics are personal opinions. You have to understand that medical school committees are people with their own thoughts and feelings. I would say as long as you have a good personal statement, decent EC's and stats you have a solid chance of getting in. The rest of the medical school cycle is just luck.

[@RhesusMedicine]

This is really insightful, hope he learns and gets his place!

[@thskgneizf4334]

This is really insightful, hope he learns and gets his place!

[@дома-ц4э]

it's so cool that you are helping those who wants to get to med school.. thank you

[@kainataslam3857]

Hi Dr. Gray, I was wondering if you could address stop dates for clinical/shadowing experiences on applications this year that may be on hold for a while due to COVID-19? For example even if you planned to continue shadowing/volunteering at a clinic throughout the application cycle but these activities were cancelled or put on hold due to quarantine measures, should we put end date as expected end date still even if we are not actively engaging in these activities for a while?

[@raspberryK1]

YES.

[@steveirwin2636]

I had this exact question! I was scheduled to shadow my surgeon and he was going to introduce me to other surgeons to shadow, but with Covid none of that has happened. I have a lot of clinical experience working but have only shadowed one surgeon so far, so I'm kind of nervous about what medical schools will think about that.

[@onebuffalo5402]

@@steveirwin2636 shadowing really aint that important from what I know. Clinical is all that really matters given shadowing is so hands off.

[@steveirwin2636]

@@onebuffalo5402 Nice, thanks for the info. I volunteered at a hospital for a summer (probably about 150 hours) and then got a job at that hospital where I work as a nursing assistant in the ER. Would you say that's enough clinical experience?

[@onebuffalo5402]

@@steveirwin2636 Probably, but it all depends on your app as a whole. Ive read about people with almost no clinical getting in and read about people with 1000 hours not getting in. Its all about your story and how best you tell it, and your school list

[@adamshaaeli4979]

If this guy is not getting into med school there is no way on hell i am getting in.

[@alisianaaxxx4443]

Don't speak that.

[@lukemiller8454]

yup

[@adamshaaeli4979]

Luke Miller harsh

[@jessicarivera4302]

Lol don't think that. I honestly think it's about writing skills, how to sell yourself the right way. If someone has good stats and decent/good experiences but still aren't getting in it's likely because they aren't expressing these things well in writing....idk I could be wrong but writing skills is always good to have.

[@jennysteward1675]

This is awesome. I am so glad I found this channel. I wish you were my pre-med advisor. We need more people like you as advisors to help us understand and see what we are missing. Thank you so much for your videos!

[@D4PPZ456]

I'm Canadian, can someone tell me what percentage a 3.48 GPA is? This guy seems like a bright kid, the country complains that not enough doctors are being graduated and yet the standards remain this ridiculous. I'm fairly certain a Canadian with an 83+ average and a good MCAT score would have no problem getting accepted by multiple schools.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Just because you are bright doesn’t mean you should go to medical school.

[@D4PPZ456]

@@Agtsmirnoff perhaps the courses that are suggested for a pre-med student should be reformed to teach better interpersonal skills. My friends with humanities degrees had a much easier time getting in than my straight science friends, although they also had good grades in the required science courses, so who knows.

[@winter107]

A 3.48 gpa is a B+

[@davidvolk143]

We get 5000 applicants for 240 spots so competition is severe. GPA is great for industry or PhD program but low by a quarter point for med school average GPA.

[@micaelaroyo4837]

I think a 3.48 gpa is like an 85-90%

[@CassieLove231]

For the student, I know that Armstrong is always hiring EMTs in Boston and they have quite a few stations around the city!

[@Maddawg31415]

And Brewster (been there since 2015- LOVE IT!). Ps- tell the clinical director Ben that Marty says hi 🙋‍♂️ 😁

[@AlR-db2mm]

14:00 I disagree with Dr. Gray. If there’s interaction with “patients” in a medical setting and there is providing of a service in a medical setting, then it IS clinical. Otherwise, what do you expect from undergrads in terms of having clinical experience?

[@saltyandsouthern]

It's kind of the argument that scribing is clinical, which it is NOT. Interacting with patients does not deem a job "clinical." The type of experience you need involves being with the patient through their treatments, procedures, or testing. Just because you are around patients, doesn't mean you put any effort into sympathizing with them, and understanding how they feel. Back to the scribing thing, you stand behind a physician and take notes on patient history. Have you talked to the patient? Have you felt their frustration? Have you held their hand while walking them to the bathroom? Have you helped make their bed after they soiled it? Have you sat in the room and convinced them to go for a test that they are terrified of? No. You just stand there and document their history. Essentially acting as a voice to text machine, it takes no empathy, personality, or emotion. I would love to hear Dr. Gray's response, because I can guarantee that medical schools would not deem simply talking to patients in an outpatient setting "clinical." Anybody can do it.

[@AlR-db2mm]

@@saltyandsouthern well, actually Dr. Gray himself once said that if you are around patients and are providing some service to them, then it is clinical. It does not have to be a professional service. Being a greeter in an ER, for example, is a clinical service even though it is "simply speaking to patients". It's a whole different aspect of how you present it to a med school though.

[@saltyandsouthern]

@@AlR-db2mm Surely, you can twist anything in a way to seem attractive to a medical school. Does that mean it's going to convey your interests and understanding of the clinical lifestyle on your interview day? I've never been to medical school, and I'm not part of an admissions committee. However, just like with the upward trends in MCAT scores, applicants are finding better and better experiences every year to find their way into the best of medical schools. With all due respect, as a person who has had thousands of hours in a hospital transporting patients and going far above what was expected of me to do only one thing: please the patients, I feel kind of resentful if someone were to try to sell me that being an ER greeter is clinical. I'd be happy to hear anyone weigh in on that. However, resentment comes from my deep understanding of the lack of care in the medical profession. So many healthcare providers, nurses, and a few doctors (not the majority, but many) fail to come to work for the patients but rather to get their paycheck and get home to their families. I just don't see ER greeting as being the definitive position that would do justice in instilling good values in you for the entirety of your medical career. It could be that I hyperfocus on understanding the poor workmanship that I physically worked alongside with for two years in two different hospitals. I am not aiming to belittle you in any way, shape, or form, but I just want to see everyone be the BEST OF THE BEST, and fulfill their maximum potentials and I just don't see ER greeting doing that unless you use the ER greeting as a foot-in-the-door to step up and move into a more important position. I agree with your statement in a small way, but there are a MILLION better opportunities open to you out there, why would you not take a step up and try to work hands-on or to at least give yourself the chance to see the perspective of a patient at the bedside? Forgive me for any disrespect or fallacious reasoning I have presented. It upsets me to say these things, but it upsets me, even more, to see healthcare employees depressed, unhappy, and distraught because they thought "This is the life for me," due to their lack of involvement in the clinical field before they began to pursue the job. I had originally started as an ED volunteer, and I would guarantee you that had I not took the step to get other experiences and get out of the ED, my world would be sickly small in comparison to the understanding I have and strive to make additions to. ALL RESPECT & LOVE TO YOU! Please feel free to comment, I know that I don't know everything, never will, and would love to hear your thoughts and maybe what you are doing to better your application and clinical experiences in general. :)

[@AlR-db2mm]

@@saltyandsouthern that's way too long to read, man. Give me an example of a clinical experience that a 1st-year undergrad (no qualifications what so ever) can do?

[@saltyandsouthern]

@@AlR-db2mm Yea, it might be long but it has valuable information, there is no one-sentence answer if you want to be properly informed; SORRY NOT SORRY. Students read thousands of pages for MCAT review, most of which contain 90% of the content they are never tested on, and you don't want to read three paragraphs? Look for CNA jobs, if you live in a state that doesn't require cert. I personally did clinical transport which was a position that required you to transport patients in beds or stretcher to all of there exams, room transfers, etc... You essentially are the Uber driver inside the hospital, we also interacted with doctor's and nurses all the time, many of the times I was actually able to shadow on the job if I was taking a patient that had a physician rounding at the time I went to take them for a test. This position allowed me to meet a lot of people and you meet a lot of different types of patients, plus it is ALWAYS hands-on. You are responsible for sliding them from bed to bed, wearing masks and gowns if they are isolated, and usually get to improve your "finesse" in terms of talking to distressed people which I feel like a lot of younger doctor's do poorly. It required me to get CPR training which I actually used a few times when ED staff was short, and actually used my CPR training when a guy crashed into a tree when I was fishing one day since he had a heart attack when driving. He never survived, but he at least was breathing when he arrived to the hospital and the family was able to see him before passing. You could volunteer in child life at a children's hospital. I personally started working in Interventional Radiology at my local children's hospital which was essentially shadowing the procedures that were being done, and in between procedures we would clean the room for new patients, restock the suite, and help the tech get supplies for each case. You could also look for anesthesia or surgical techs that are non-licensed, but I promise the jobs to require learning to read more than a few paragraphs (sarcasm). I would suggest you start volunteering at a hospital, tell the volunteer services you want a position that will allow you to see as many different departments and areas of the hospital. Using that you can make connections, get familiar with a hospital, and hopefully find a position you like if you actually enjoy being in the hospital. If you do get a job, I suggest you to continue to volunteer for at least a few hours a week in a clinical setting so that you are able to show that you enjoy the work not the money. Here to offer any advice, but it won't ever be a short answer, sorry. HOPE THIS HELPS!

[@Mayrita77]

I didnt know it was that hard to get in medical school. I dont even want to get into it but YT suggested me this video

[@twoscoops4181]

homie looks like he's in jail, pre-med prison. Free my guy!

[@jjdagostino]

ummmm do not skip next cycle and retake mcat, you have a good score, just maximize your application again from a more humanistic perspective, getting a lower mcat score on second attempt is playing russian roulette

[@thefenerbahcesk4156]

How do you emphasize in your personal statement that you care about patients? I've had lots of volunteer and shadowing experience but not much direct patient contact/conversations.

[@crazysox305]

Do you mind doing one specifically for TMDSAS? Because the word counts are shorter, it changes the way you’re able to write things.

[@davidvolk143]

Most students write too much, so the shorter TMDSAS limits are not a problem. Focus on the main points discussed in this video, and learn to communication quickly and concisely.

[@nawfalelric2933]

Hey, how can I be featured in these videos!?

[@kevinqin412]

All of my clinical experiences have been cancelled. Will med schools have an issue with that during this application cycle? I want to submit my application the first day it can be submitted.

[@chewacco]

They will not Kevin, he has mentioned it in other videos. Unless you have zero clinical experience, you should not have a problem.

[@kevinqin412]

@@chewacco Thank you so much for this! I was terrified that clinical activities would return right after I submit and that would make applying early potentially bad, but this makes me feel much better, appreciate it!

[@du3844-m4v]

There is no harm in just waiting another year and applying thenif you want to be extra safe. As a third-year medical student now, I can tell you that this is probably your last real break so enjoy it while you can.

[@kevinqin412]

@@du3844-m4v Thank you for the advice, I'm already taking a gap year so I feel that I am ready. Hope medical school is going alright for you.

[@hannahmarie08]

watching this from canada is just kinda depressing lol “3.48 will meet most of the cutoffs” “514 MCAT is fantastic”

[@remy3064]

What is it like in Canada ?

[@samuelbonne4047]

charles like if you don’t get 520 mcat you shouldn’t apply and if your gpa is below a 3.9 you need God in your life

[@samuelbonne4047]

Cries in UToronto student

[@tonyconiglio6941]

Exactly why is it a bad thing for someone to want to go to medical school for the intellectual challenge? "I'm not here to satisfy your intellectual curiosity." Couldn't it just as easily be "I'm not here to satisfy your desire to socialize and obtain human connection." I don't know about all of you but I go to the doctor to have someone apply scientific knowledge to my health, not for friendship. You know who is good at empathy and communication? Sales people. Is that what you want?

[@reannarobinson3019]

Hi Dr. Gray, With everything going on with COVID do you have any recommendations on how one can continue to accumulate clinical hours with many hospitals and doctors offices having restrictions on who can be in there? Also would a position has a patient care coordinator be considered as clinical experience?

[@kanwalraja466]

Ems

[@kylelogan3923]

Not sure if he has gotten in by now, but he could of apply to DO like Midwestern, or DMU or KCU

[@FirstLast-uz4zz]

Dr. Gray, if you don't mind me asking. As a registered nurse, would you recommend having other volunteer hours to a different facility aside from nursing? Or should I just stay in my workplace and work as a nurse and show that as my clinical experience? Please advise. Thank you.

[@paytonmitten6282]

Did he mention which school on his list he got to interview at? I kept wondering this throughout the conversation

[@lucharles6724]

Hey Dr. Gray would you mind doing a video talking about how to craft a cohesive narrative? I'm thinking about how I would write my PS, and I just have a lot of disparate things that I don't know how to piece together.

[@97niso]

His personal statement book is a gem. Read it and you will be set

[@RamHomier]

In your series I see all the applicants have extensive work experience in hospitals. Is there a way for other scientists to get in med school?

[@Nowayyy22]

This guy should really consider being a PhD researcher instead! It sounds like that is where his passion lies

[@devinwynn1299]

Not really. His role, research technician does not really do any of the investigative work. They do more of the gruntwork, so a top research program will not see that experience as desirable.

[@DollyDomDom]

anon ymous what do you mean grunt work he’s published lol

[@devinwynn1299]

@@DollyDomDom Do you know what published means? He's not first author, anyone on the team that contributed any work in the research (including grunt work) gets their name on there. Doesn't mean you did any scientific inquiry.

[@Russianboyz95]

@@devinwynn1299 I don't think that's entirely true. For a biological sciences PhD program, I'm pretty sure that sort of exposure is quite valuable.

[@jesstiss222]

Hopefully MD/PhD if he wants. Physician scientists are the real GOATs, especially during this coronapocalyse!

[@joshuablanchard6789]

These are awesome!

[@isitedible7121]

Wanted to go to med school my whole life but first semester is rough. Withdrawal from chemistry because there was a high possibility of getting a D. My advisor didn’t oppose and thought it was a good idea. Doing stellar in my other three courses and still full time. I have to still do chem and advised to take a math class before my next chem class. Don’t know if I’m cut out if I’m struggling so much already with an important class.

[@denisdelaflor1749]

You can still be a doctor

[@MukeshSivakumaran]

dawg its literally your first semester chill out

[@christinagriffith4184]

Okay, after watching this, I’m a little confused. What counts as clinical experience? I thought working in a clinical setting counted, but it doesn’t sound like it from this video. Does scribing count as clinical experience?

[@vanshikasingh8917]

you need be interacting with patients. examples include EMT, ER tech, Phlebotomist, scribing, nursing assistant etc.

[@jzhvaeduh]

Scribing is 100% clinical.

[@ValarieAkumah]

Would you recommend including medical scribe as one of the most meaningful experience if I just started this year and plan on submitting application this year?

[@95Jul8]

Approx. how many months/hours have you been doing it? I would say yes, include it as one of the most meaningful if you've been doing it for a few months now and you can come up with a good response as to why

[@vblake530530]

MissValarie I interview quite a few scribes each year so sure. At least 4-6 months minimum. Victor Blake MD, FACP. Professor of Clinical Medicine Morehouse School of Medicine

[@TheDeezy250]

@@vblake530530 Dr. Blake, how long do you suggest for a Laboratory Assistant. I was a lab assistant in a hospital but was cross trained in phlebotomy and bedside care because there was a labor shortage. I only worked there for about 14 months though.

[@123jamesisawesome]

Does it look really bad if your GPA fluctuates over the years in college? I started pretty strong because I was able to focus just solely on school at first. However, I needed to find a job during my junior and senior year of college to pay for school tuition, and my GPA kind of suffered because I couldn’t provide as much time studying as I did freshman year. Of course, my junior and senior year classes were a lot harder, but I’m wondering if medical schools will Deny me right away due to seeing my GPA fall over the years than rise. 😔

[@daveyjones3016]

I had the opposite sorta. I started my freshman summer and fall not well then immediately jacked up to near 4.0 then various health conditions which almost killed me contributed to a downward trend. Hopefully a killer mcat can make med schools see past that

[@billiankazi1981]

I’m looking for advice on applying to Canadian medschool. My cgpa is only 3.5 (difficult first year) and I have a decent upwards trend. Wondering what I can do to improve it or will an Mcat score balance it?

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

Canada is so competitive, I’ve seen students redoing an UG

[@JohnDoe-vs7qf]

@@MedicalSchoolHQ holy shit ....

[@hannahmarie08]

Are you Canadian? A lot of Canadian med schools have different weighting systems that can help you get over one bad year. Off the top of my head, University of Western Ontario only looks at your GPA from your best two years, Queens only looks at your last two years, University of Toronto drops 2 semester-length courses from every year of undergrad if you had 10 courses total each year, UBC drops your lowest year, etc. If you’re American/from any other country, you’d have a much better chance outside Canada.

[@thebeatles9]

This is depressing. this guy has a good application. It's not perfect, but he clearly has put in the work and is very smart. I'm sorry you didn't get accepted, I suppose you have to play the game a little bit more.

[@TheLeanneSarah]

How can we send our stories in?

[@saltyandsouthern]

I am sure he chooses based on students who he sees would be a good fit for the show. Most likely students who show a lot of room for improvement, and were denied acceptance from their first year of applying. This would imply you probably reached out to him through his email or other forms of contact (Med School HQ and his personalized application review, which is not cheap but is probably well worth its cost if you can afford that and aren't able to use his free content applicably, I believe around $3000 - $5000), and he saw your story and said "wow" I can use this for my channel to help improve a lot of mistakes that first-year applicants might not recognize.

[@Limitedonathios]

At one point in his facenook group (medschool hangout) he had asked for anyone that would be interested in working with him

[@johnsomapple2225]

sometimes i feel like this guy critiques just for the sake of it, even if there is not much there to criticize.......

[@yazzy3226]

How would you categorize volunteering in a hospital to provide support for the siblings of sick child patients? This shift was my role for the entire semester (50 hours) but overall it is only one portion of my time at that same hospital where I had direct interaction with patients. Should I include this with the overall clinical experience or label this non clinical?

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

Probably non clinical

[@yazzy3226]

Medical School Headquarters So it wouldn’t seem weird to separate it from the other activities section at that same hospital? I don’t want to seem like I’m stretching to add more activities. But I also want to talk about that experience and what I learned from it too.

[@k.bradley4334]

Dr. Gray, can you elaborate on the "screen-in" minimum GPA you refer to in this video? I've often heard that many schools won't give a second glance to a 3.4 or below. I understand this could just be a rumor, but do most schools really take the time to look at grade trends? I think we can all agree that they should, but how do we know they actually do? Thanks!

[@almalvo]

Same. What's the point in even a strong af trend, like 4.0ing seniour year despite a 3.3 overall if meds wont even see the trend from screening. Feels so rigged and unfair for those who truly have had their late-in-the-game eureka moment....

[@catpet9201]

Can you do a video on m4a and physician salaries?

[@c_girln4679]

Can we get an update??! Did he get in?!!

[@denisdelaflor1749]

Yes he did

[@snow.flower]

This title is literally a premed’s worst nightmare

[@privateprivate5302]

Doesn't it seem like some people make a decision, set out on the path towards that goal and stream line straight through to the end? And for others hardship and struggle start from the onset of the decision, cobble stone path. Quick sand, lava, rain sleet and snow, and to reach their goal they have to fight and struggle and grind and drudge through it all, BEFORE they even reach the starting gate...kinda discouraging

[@thatbossguy123]

Hi Dr. Gray. I have a quick question. Does working as a pharmacy technician in a store like CVS count as clinical experience? Thank you!

[@fqproductions]

tryhardninja75382949 it is certainly healthcare experience but from what i can remember he said that pharmacy tech isn’t really clinical experience because there isn’t any hands on experience with patients

[@mausamv958]

the analogy given was that clinical experience would count if "you were close enough to smell the patient", so i don't think a pharmacy tech would count

[@Zigz94]

I would think being a pharmacy intern would count. Interns vaccinate, take BPs, check cholesterol, blood sugars, and do med recs.

[@bettysmith7045]

@@Zigz94 I believe they are solely talking about being a pharmacy tech, which is someone that just assists the pharmacist with minimal education. I think what you are referring to is a pharmacy student who is working with a pharmacist as they progress in their education. In the US, at least in my area, pharmacists do not take BP or blood sugars. They do vaccines, but I think that would be as far as counting as clinical experience. Again a pharmacy tech would not do any of this.

[@雪底下]

@@Zigz94 that’s a pharmacy intern, not pharmacy tech. Very different

[@AmbitiousNoodle]

My useless opinion is that this guy is very interested in research and should apply MD/PhD. They want that research focus

[@MedicalSchoolHQ]

If he doesn’t want to be an MD/PhD, though...

[@claireworld_]

His GPA could hold him for md/phd

[@devinwynn1299]

Not really. His role, research technician does not really do any of the investigative work. They do more of the gruntwork, so a top research program will not see that experience as desirable.

[@davidvolk143]

He is not at all competitive for MD/PHD program. Since all tuition is waived the competition is unbelievable

[@jonathonchio4724]

Hello everyone, just want to follow up. Did he state that the ski patrol experience was clinical? I thought for clinical, you need to be at a hospital?

[@jessicatedder1869]

He has said in other videos that clinical experience is any experience in which you are interacting with patients, regardless of if you are in a hospital or not. He said this of a girl who asked if being an in-home caretaker counted as clinical experience. 👍🏼

[@jonathonchio4724]

@@jessicatedder1869 Thank you for confirming! :)

[@jessicatedder1869]

@@jonathonchio4724 You're welcome! Good luck on your endeavors. 😊

[@iLoveBandosRS]

I’m going for dentistry but I’m sure it’s similar that’s why I listen😂

[@melanininmedicine4385]

Not sure if you’ve ever assisted anyone with this, kind of curious how to weave government work with medical school. I’m a federal employee so I’m stuck between trying to explain exactly what I do while having room to say how It relates to medicine. Do I need to write the latter out word for word, or are the skills I gained assumed to be transferable

[@TareksLab]

Melanin In Medicine maybe tie public service to serving as a physician, if that applies to you. You want to show how this was a stepping stone on your path to medicine.

[@melanininmedicine4385]

Tarek Ghaddar I’m more so concerned about character space lol. I don’t know if I need to put exactly what I did (in my job) and then talk about how It relates to medicine in the meaningful experience portion

[@TareksLab]

Melanin In Medicine Focus on how it informed your development as a person, focusing on the transferrable skills: communication, conflict resolution, leadership, and service. You don’t need to cram leadership in here, as it can show up in your secondaries.

[@melanininmedicine4385]

Tarek Ghaddar thank you for the advice 😇

[@worldsavior2543]

Wow A LOT of research! This guy should pursue a PhD instead.

[@LizShepherd]

I’ve spent the past week watching all of these and it seems a common mistake is treating the application like a job application rather than med school application. Job applications LOVE the “duh” phrases and terms when applying online. It gets you past the program based screening. Thank you for this and thank you everyone brave enough to put their info out there!

[@kinghassan3122]

He has lots of research bot not a lot of clinical this is the main problem

[@Lalasarahsteinberg]

I began working as a CNA 2012, then I switch medical careers to lab and got my bachelors in 2016 and I've been working in the hospital clinical laboratory full time since then and I'll be finishing my masters in December. So I've been in the medical field since 2012. Does all of my work experience count?

[@user-ub8uc8gq7r]

You can have all the grades in the world but if you don’t have the genuine love for the practice of medicine and patients, you don’t deserve to be a doctor.

[@audreyarguello3159]

I know there is a max 5000 word limit for a personal statement but how long do you think it should be? I feel like my personal statement is very long compared to his. 😓 However, I’ve had a lot more personal and patient topics, that make me who I am... hopefully I’m doing my application correctly. 😳

[@aaronrodriguez5454]

shoutout Fiji

[@LeahKristina-x2m]

He had a 3.5 GPA and, considering most medical schools average MCAT scores as recommended by the AAMC, his MCAT was likely considered a 508/509. Those are very low number and the primary reason he did not get accepted. I feel Dr. Gray upsells the impact of essays and writing because those are what his services cater to. His school list was also top heavy and not good at all. This young man should really have applied to DO schools.

[@minyeollee2116]

Can anyone here give me an advice on how a undergraduate student can also be employed being an emt?? Is it a part timer?? or a Saturday Sunday weekend job?? I would love to hear your advice. I am currently waiting for the results on my application to US universities. Thanks!

[@denisdelaflor1749]

You should have no problem getting a weekend job as an EMT while enrolled as a student.

[@catpet9201]

This dudes face is sculpted like an Abercrombie model

[@vincentma9864]

24 is way too few

[@kennethmoore3783]

7

[@zavens.ayanian1926]

Please remove me from anything related to attending Med school. I’m a 90 yr. old retired MD. I don’t know how/why I receive all this.

[@kevinboateng571]

@Zavien S. Ayanian It's funny how even having the intellect to become an MD doesn't automatically afford anyone the nuance of modern-day technology and the internet. There is no mailing or video list you must have watched something Med school-related and now you're stuck in the youtube algorithm.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Please tell me this comment is a joke.

[@saltyandsouthern]

@@Agtsmirnoff It is not a joke just search his name "The Upstate Medical Alumni Association honors Zaven S. Ayanian, MD '59, for his voluntarism and commitment to providing health care for the underserved in his community as a volunteer physician at the Parker Family Health Center. A native Syracusan, Dr. Ayanian earned his undergraduate degree at Syracuse University." Being in the MD class of 1959 matches up with the mentioned age very well. He must have accidentally subscribed or searches a lot of medical-related content after viewing a video of Dr. Gray's. It's a hilarious comment nonetheless... HAHA

[@SC-or2zb]

@misuzu9254 I too agree that the post up there didn't sound like a joke at all. It sounded like the individual was in need of an outlet to express some version of negative emotions that apparently persisted after 4 days. I think he needs to see a mental professional.

[@Ahn-mu3db]

@@saltyandsouthern lol u a stalker lmao jk

[@taylorered6874]

That's a low gpa for med school,

[@BlocknerdProductions]

Did you listen at all? He had a strong upward trend. How about trying to actually listen and watch next time.

[@taylorered6874]

@@BlocknerdProductions yes I did watch, regardless of upward trend, 3.5 minimum is what's required

[@509gal6]

Taylore Red not true at all. 3.5 is not a requirement .schools mostly care about your MCAT scores and your other areas

[@BlocknerdProductions]

@@taylorered6874 No it isn't lmao. Stop spreading bullshit facts and read up before you comment.

[@jessicabrown171]

That is actually not true. I got accepted into 7 really good medical schools with a 3.46 GPA.

[@crazy808ish]

Why is an "upward trend" considered a good thing in grades and studies? You should be making at least the same amount if not more mistakes as you advance to more complicated things. If your grades are improving all the time, then obviously it's getting too easy and you're not going anywhere at the rate you could/should be.

[@Nickkhan802]

idk about that bro

[@crazy808ish]

@@Nickkhan802 You don't make more mistakes when things get harder? I'd love to know what's your secret if that's true lol

[@Nickkhan802]

@@crazy808ish your model of learning is perfect

[@adaezenjoku7527]

upward trend shows that ur trying to improve and that u are fixing your study habits

[@MoD3RnHD]

This kids not getting in

[@kaiung7542]

GPA is subpar at best. Will not make any cut for MD schools. Barely making cuts for DO schools. All the experiences seem like just checking off boxes. Schools don't care that you had 20 experiences. Like Dr. Gray said- you need to tell a story.

[@Nickkhan802]

name checks out

[@kaiung7542]

@@Nickkhan802 ??? Name checks out?

[@29957fred]

@@kaiung7542 read your name. That’s who you are. Is what he meant

[@kaiung7542]

@@29957fred Doesn't make my statement any less true.

[@ForsakenForWhat]

I disagree. The upward trend is everything. 3.4+ with an upward trend is actually quite excellent. The MCAT also makes up for the GPA. It was all about the story and coming off as less fun, relatable, and not in it for the humanistic/ cherishing patients aspect as Dr. Gray says

[@Totally_Not_The_ATF]

He should just say he’s gay or trans. I’m sure he’d be shown more interest then. It’s not about accepting the best and brightest, it’s about the schools’ abilities to shown how “diverse” and “inclusive” they are.

[@Ahn-mu3db]

I dont even think they ask for sexual preferance... Thats weird Also "diversity" is to save face there arent many underepresented minorities going into medicine besides the ORM (white and asian)

[@mrheymansayman]

I wouldn’t go to him as a patient.

[@chidinmambah2831]

no one asked❤️

[@daveyjones3016]

Why ? He seems like a nice guy.

[@thskgneizf4334]

Why am I just finding this channel?! Definition of a gem 💎