He Confessed to Having Sex With a Minor

[@meganhaber]

She's a TEACHER! She's required to report!!!! My head is exploding over this.

[@anonymouse9833]

EXACTLY. I cannot get over this point, the therapist too (if they're actually a therapist). Hopefully she finally did?

[@BAKER22-l4u]

Then get HELP

[@araceliramirez7315]

And the counselor too! The amount of people that failed here is disgusting!

[@robbiereeb5724]

There’s nothing to report because this is technically legal. Why are people missing that?

[@leslietarter2096]

Sad excuses for adults

[@gloriajean8024]

Correction “He preyed upon a minor”, he did not have an affair with her. The girl is a victim, not a participant .

[@JackMason-oq8lf]

The mom sounds a little flaky. How would she know the girl was not a willing participant? How do we know that the girl didn't lead the guy on, that she didn't seduce him? We do not know. Condemn her anyway. You just know she's a bad sort, leading guys on like that. Bad girl.

[@VioletEmerald]

Affair in this context is a way for her to selfishly discuss how for her it's worse because he was supposed to be monogamously married to her and she is thinking of this like he had sex with another woman. And then she adds a an afterthought but that this person was a child but rather the impersonal phrasing "a minor" like it's just a technicality related to legality, as if the age of the person isn't an additional moral problem to her. She's so far deep in denial about so much of this.

[@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr]

The age gap could have been a lot worse tho tbh

[@emanx222]

Honestly doesnt matter ​@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr

[@Josh-ol8sy]

@@emanx222it does matter, psychologically there is a BIG difference between a 23 year old guy having sex with a 16 year old and a 25+ year old guy having sex with a 10 year old, with a 23-16 age gap it is much more likely that the man has problems with sex addiction/impulse control instead of pedophilia

[@juliestevens0426]

she buried her head in the sand until her daughter got to the same age. Now she's scared

[@ad_kk16]

Sadly that's how some people operate. Doesn't think about it too much until they have a child of their own & being at that same age when it happened. I'm glad she at least somewhat cared... but damn...

[@spinecollector9931]

Sounds like maybe she’s having suspicions BECAUSE her daughter is the same age… maybe she’s been picking up on things that don’t seem right to her lately

[@racheltarentino3314]

Yup, sickening

[@BeBlessed56]

Bingo! And honestly if that’s the case, than she’s as responsible as he is. If she only expressed truly concern and desire to live him because it was HER child and not others, then she should be ashamed of herself

[@mishazabranska153]

Please, look up trauma boding and gaslighting. She tried and was NOT believed. Also, this country does not support divorced women and single mothers. She is a victim too! By him and by her culture and the society. @@BeBlessed56

[@ellenjudge1611]

She's protecting herself. She would rather ignore it than turn her whole world upside down.

[@elettramia6380]

Well that’s pretty dumb because her life has already been turned upside down. She’s married to a p3do, it doesn’t get worse than that

[@zaheenwahid6904]

Not an excuse…she’s complicit to abuse

[@jasonbornne7767]

Well well well. A minister involved with minors. The husband failed, the caller failed, the counselor failed, and the church failed.

[@Xpens]

You failed too bud... Sad world we live in today with all this powered misinformation

[@theundone777]

Oh no, they didn't fail. They succeeded at their mission to protect men and support men. The vast majority of churches that I have seen are only interested in keeping the men in the church in power. Power over women, power over the local community, etc. They are not interested in protecting anyone else.

[@alex7171]

What's your point?

[@jasonbornne7767]

@@alex7171 Dissolve all churches????

[@ifinditinteresting.8709]

Whatever he said? ​@@alex7171

[@theydontknowmeson007]

Church staff: why are less and less people trusting taking kids to church? Calls like this:

[@starrjohnson1327]

Then don't send your children to school, don't let anyone babysit them, don't let your spouse bathe them...come on. Predators always look for prey...

[@kellharris2491]

@@starrjohnson1327 except some places screen people and other places don't. Some places are better than others.

[@LLopez-sx1jr]

@@kellharris2491 places that screen only catch the ones that have been reported....this guy would've gotten in to a place like that because of this list of people who never reported him.

[@morgand5004]

@@starrjohnson1327 hmm I’ve heard this argument before and use to agree, but the number don’t line up. Yes predators will always search for prey but they’re also opportunists. In a school there isn’t as much unregulated trust as there is in a church. As well as easier pathways for manipulation. You need to do this because god said is unarguable when you’re in the religious mindset, compared with a school that is a harder argument to make but it does still happen just not as much as it happen in religions. You don’t tell you’re teacher that you had sex with these people but you will tell a priest. There is nothing inappropriate because you aren’t speaking to a priest youre talking to god so it’s okay.

[@starrjohnson1327]

@@morgand5004 I work in a school. The things I see and hear would surprise you. Parents just have to be involved to keep their children safe. Predators are everywhere. No place is exempt

[@whitneyfenton6762]

You need to change the title of this. An affair requires two consenting adults.

[@Xpens]

How do you know if they consented or not?

[@nu_fitness]

Thank you

[@michealgatling]

@@Xpenswhat??

[@alex7171]

Well, two consenting people over the age of consent. Which is only 16 in the largest number of states.

[@ulhi7564]

​@@alex7171 she was in his care through the church and a minor, her consent even if it would have been enthusiastic was not even an option because she wasn't in a position where she could have denied it the way she could have with someone of the same age

[@TisHotMessHistory]

It seems like this caller is WAY more concerned with what her financial situation is going to be as a divorced woman than she was concerned about any of her husband's victims. She has known what he has been doing for YEARS.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

I don't blame her. In a way she is a victim too and could very well end up homeless. It sucks but she has children to think about. I've seen it happen where women leave a man and they end up on the streets. Luckily she has a good brother though but who really wants to live at their brother's place especially if he has a family of his own. She really should have been preparing over the last few years financially and planning her escape.

[@LauraLParr]

DUDE THIS!

[@LauraLParr]

@E no he has been fired from other places for sure you’re absolutely correct

[@salma_Nella22]

@@Ready-ForTheEnd i cant see her as a victim for a few valid reasons. She knew this 5 years ago and her first question was “how do I trust my husband”, not “should I believe him”. She isn’t confused, she knows he’s a P.OS. and what she is doing is justifying his actions for selfish reasons. It was ALL on the table. He got fired many times for this. So many women choose men over children to avoid struggle, including my own mother. Not once did she even say she was scared of him. She’s not even worried about him touching their own daughter. There’s no excuse.

[@brendamoon2660]

And that's not even a valid excuse because he can't keep a job anyway

[@bibifrancis758]

This is triggering.. I was sexually assaulted as a minor by a church minister. Then fast forward my ex husband was accused of sexually assaulting a minor(inappropriately touching) and I defended him, thinking he would never do that, I would talk to him about it and I would be the bad person for thinking he could do such a thing,UNTIL, he assaulted my SISTER! Sis u need to leave him now protect ur children, protect urself!!! Leaving wasn’t easy, I moved to a different country, moved back in with my parents this time with children and started all over again. It’s okay to start over again🥰 I resonate so much with Sara!

[@Zen-xn8gk]

You are so brave!

[@amde8554]

An affair implies both parties are capable of consent

[@karenjones8713]

I agree. It wasn't an affair!!!

[@robertpeterson7496]

The age of consent in Georgia is 16. Just something to consider given it’s reasonable to be written into law in the US. This really isn’t as big a deal as y’all are making it out to be

[@ladydatura2529]

@ROBERT PETERSON actually it is a big deal. I was a girl whose teacher tried to get with me at 17. He did it because he knew I was in a bad spot with no support and he could manipulate me with some support and try to get what he wanted. I only came out about this recently because I had been raised to believe I wasn't worth much and I parented my parent when I was a child so I also felt like an adult early. Human brains don't finish developing until age 27. You dont have a shot at fully understanding situations and consequences until you are fully developed. This "husband" had the responsibility to protect that young girl and not sleep with her. She likely had trauma to cause her to be okay with his behavior, similar to myself. Now that I understand all this, fk him and fk this guy. Now I'm healing, strong and have self worth and I hope that young lady does now too.

[@amde8554]

@@ladydatura2529 thank you for sharing your story and I’m sorry you went through that. You’re exactly right; many adults are in positions of power like teachers and that changes the dynamic tremendously

[@JackMason-oq8lf]

An "affair" is a more polite way of categorizing the situation than yelling and screaming. People hear daily for years about what an incredible monster we have in Don the Con. I mean, he's obviously a bad person, a criminal, a danger to mankind. And yet all you churchgoers look the other way so you can love him all the more. Sick society. But forgiving, right. Now here's a situation that you know nothing about, it's only hear-say, an opinion of one of the participants who may not be impartial or even wise to her family's situation. Yet, you rush in and condemn her relationship with someone you don't like. You don't even know this fella. Maybe he's not as guilty of crime as this caller says. Just saying. You don't have the full story or the complete story. But you sure got that condemnation down pat. Good Christians, aren't you. Why not set the guy on fire. Lots of women scream rape and send men to prison for years, and she's lying. No one wants to hear the mans side. He's bad and she's a princess. This lady may need to support her husband, for better or worse. Maybe he needs attention, maybe he needs to know someone still thinks good of him. Maybe she can encourage him to seek professional help. He's in a bad place. Maybe he can be helped with his sickness. Maybe she believes he can be helped. Yet all you jesus-ites out there know better. Jesus would just hate this man and banish him from the kingdom immediately. Jesus doesn't like sinners.

[@nicolejclarke]

I had an unwanted sexual encounter when I was 15 and he was 25. I went on with my life thinking that it was my fault and it would not ever be considered rape. I wonder if this girl is feeling the same way?

[@gilmendoza8092]

Wow I’m sorry you had to deal with something like that. I wish there was more light on this subject so victims know this is not ok,

[@LarennPBel]

Did he groom u? It is NOT UR FAULT, AND NEVER WILL BE……. U were a MINOR.

[@cathkyth]

Im so sorry, you were raped.

[@prudencek7087]

I'm wondering if anyone ever checked up on the girl/babysitter.🤦🏽‍♀️

[@Anya_life_subscribe]

Praying for you 🙏🏾 hope you are better it wasn’t your fault I promise 🤞🏾❤️

[@alyssajchase]

Like others have said - this isn’t an affair, it’s statutory rape & I think because she looked at it as an affair, it didn’t sink in until their daughter became the same age … children can’t consent.

[@allthatsheiz]

I don’t know if this counts as statutory. She was 16 and he was over 21 (23 if I heard right). I think there is a 3-4 year buffer. This doesn’t work for me. I think this is just molestation

[@LorelleJustice]

Ain’t no 16 year old is a child

[@lav7161]

She sounds like she's used to covering up for him all the time. The way she sighs after every question when she's about to answer tells me she hates telling the truth about him.

[@thorneto2742]

I am absolutely furious listening to this call. That man, that pastor and his wife, and that therapist all deserve to be in jail.

[@Cookieboy70]

I get the feeling she lied about the therapist actually being made aware of it.

[@karenjones8713]

I am also furious at the caller AND her rapist husband!

[@thorneto2742]

@@Cookieboy70 I suppose its not that unlikely that they severely minimized what actually happened to protect themselves so thats a good point.

[@vesselfit2use]

So does the caller who is a teacher and has a pedophile for a husband.

[@alwayswondering127]

@@Cookieboy70 either that or the therapist is actually a church councillor so it wouldn’t be a surprise if the authorities weren’t informed.

[@alwayswondering127]

I find this absolutely vile. From the get go this woman tries to make lesson the severity of the crime. How does she not know another young girl isn’t being raped? Because that’s what it is, it’s most certainly not an affair which by the way, children cannot participate in affairs.

[@michaelbarker1860]

I looked it up and it seems as if he is covered under the Romeo and Juliet law in Florida. So where is the crime he committed?

[@alwayswondering127]

@@michaelbarker1860 not necessarily. It says someone older than 18 but younger than 24 MAY be protected. Also this is entirely dependant on the girls age. First op said 15 then 16 then 17. I believe she was most likely 15. Also just because there’s a Romeo and Juliet law doesn’t mean it protects people in a position of authority raping minors. So unless you have all the extra needed information I’ll stick to thinking he’s a dirty scumbag who should be jailed.

[@anneshirley9560]

@@michaelbarker1860 you must be the husband. 🤣

[@michaelbarker1860]

@@anneshirley9560 No, I'm just capable of separating my feelings from facts. Trying to figure out what actually happened from "I don't like that". You should try it.

[@mistakook1616]

your very evil for calling that rape

[@shaunkey9374]

She needs to report him. He needs to be in prison.

[@prudencek7087]

Uumm... has anyone, including the wife/caller checked on the girl, now grown woman, that he did this to? The church, the wife and whoever else knows about this is covering up for a predator. Who knows how this woman's life was harmed because of this man as she grew up? The fact that the caller only thought about it because their daughter is now this age, shows that she clearly needs a reality check as well. Ma'am... he did this to someone else's daughter and you knew this for years and did nothing.

[@BellaClarie]

Exactly! She calls it an AFFAIR. He didn't have an Affair lady, there was no "other woman." It was a TEENAGER. a MINOR, who babysat for what little money she could make!!! Not to be sexually groomed/assaulted. I don't feel sorry for this caller. She's Not A victim. The Girl was the victim!!

[@racheld7528]

The house is destroyed, but the house that can be built after something like this can be better, safer and more beautiful than she ever expected. I’ve watched my friends after divorce and life is not easy. Many have found a new partner and they are quite happy! I am happy for them! But the one who is walked all over by her ex…she is the one who struggles the most and I hate that for her. But I’ve also watched her let it happen for 4 years. She needs to reset and find her worth in herself. No one can do it for her. She needs to rescue herself! ❤

[@TheAlixAmanda]

The fact that when he asked “what’s the hold up” she didn’t say I loved him, I just can’t believe he did this, I’m heartbroken like no it was finances ?? She’s protecting herself when she should protect her children and other potential victims! Craaaazy

[@natashabrooks4188]

You SHOULDN'T trust him!! He sat on it for 10 years. I'd have to leave this marriage. Just so many violations. Did he try anything with their daughter?! A part of you will probably never trust him fully and that makes being together difficult. Good luck whatever you choose

[@AccidentalHiker1]

Geez! She's a teacher also a mandated reporter.

[@haleytruslow7200]

Exactly!!

[@cutehumor]

She should be fired for being a failure to protect

[@freecountry3544]

She's a silly naive blossom. Very selfish. Very materialistic.

[@LisaLisaCJ]

@@freecountry3544 the church will do that to you

[@karisfunkartist]

I love John's no tolerance for "sweeping it under the rug" culture within the church, especially when it comes to abvse.

[@tyleralger6083]

He’s definitely done this again, many times. He probably opened up 5 years ago during a time when he felt that things were getting out of control, and it was a cry for help. He should be behind bars.

[@a.humphries8678]

I know!! I know someone who got )ife in prison for less than this. And his wife, who did report it, got in deep trouble and had jail time, for not reporting fast enough.

[@GabrielaRivera-g9z]

Dr Delony handle this so well wayyyyyyyy better than I ever could

[@lynnehansen1721]

I just heard this call for the first time june 2024. My question is...did Dr John ever report this crime to authorities?

[@flashthecorgi2053]

Yes Dr. Delony reports all crimes off air.

[@melissabeasley218]

He actually cannot report on this case because he is not hearing this from the one that is abused.

[@erosia4232]

@@melissabeasley218yes he can. You can call for any possible crimes even if you were not subjected to it yourself. Like if I heard someone say their friend murdered someone… you call the damn popo

[@veggiesarefruits]

At least in my state, as a mandated reporter, part of that is any SUSPICION that abuse has occurred/is occurring. You don't have to see any bruises, see anything yourself, or hear it from the alleged victim. The thing that's shocked me over the years is how annoyed and even angry my coworkers/employers have gotten whenever I've reported even direct claims of abuse. I've even been pushed out of my job for reporting on abuse of a disabled kindergartener. School administrators don't like it because they depend on funding from the public, so their school can't look bad in the community. Teachers don't like it because it makes them "uncomfortable" (exact words from the teacher, after he agreed this kid was "for sure being hit") during meetings with the parents. Because I work with children with ASD, I have to look at behavioral changes like mimicking behaviors (flinching, taking off pants, hitting self or others), repetition of words/phrases (saying things in another language while making punching gestures and crying), sudden signs of discomfort or fear around men or women, or of people who look a certain way, etc. I consider it my #1 responsibility to protect and advocate for children. I don't care if I look silly, if people resent me, or even if they fire me. As long as I'm around, I'm always listening to my kiddos. I know my students, and I know when they're trying to tell me something. I'm reporting, everytime.

[@sunnybayliss3221]

​@melissabeasley218 I was teaching a youth church class. After class, one of my girls disclosed that she had been r@ped. I checked that she was safe, called her counselor at school with her, and handed her over to the counselor. THEN, I spoke to my leader, we called the lawyer, and with the lawyer we called child protection service. Always, ALWAYS report. Protect the child FIRST.

[@pandabear7177]

This is an example of cognitive dissonance. She knows it wasn’t an “affair” and she fell apart when she realized her kids were the same age.

[@lilithowl]

Bravo Dr John for not pulling any punches! I was AGHAST at what I heard coming from this woman's mouth from the very beginning. Yes she needs to be rid of him and to report him. Yes she needs to face to to what he is and her part in letting him get away with it. But also... she deserves compassion for being the victim of an assault herself, and clearly her husband is an abuser and predator. It was lovely that Dr John extended that compassion to her too. She needs to escape and work through things & heal.

[@melissab3217]

So often wives of abusers feel trapped in these situations or can't even get past the denial phase due to what it means. I have seen it in my own extended family. I wish the family of the girl would have stepped up to hold him accountable just like they should have in my family. All these years later, it's very hard to get a conviction.

[@Ready-ForTheEnd]

Hes gaslighting her over a span of years which is mental abuse. People start to question reality

[@melissab3217]

@ 100%. All the time.

[@jessicadominguez1315]

The caller is vulnerable and susceptible to gaslighting to start with, it may be why she was assaulted at work, it is likely why her husband chose her. She is a victim and easy to groom compared to others, he was her predator too.

[@markbenn1907]

That poor girl, how sad, can’t even imagine what she is going through now. Can’t even imagine how many other girls got abused.

[@보모]

_as frustrating as she is_ her husband found himself a victim to lockdown to live his life with the optics of *faith-based family man* while he continued his predatory manipulation tactics. The creep brought a victim of his own around to watch what he sired.

[@SacramentalSims]

It amazes me the way these abusers can easily spot those they can manipulate and control easily.

[@1lelepontes]

Now that it is hurting her family financially she wants to speak up???! This rage is coming from a child that survived SA! She needed to report it a long time ago! They never stop! Predators don’t stop!

[@KittenMcCoolson]

💯💯💯 ❤❤❤

[@Arose888]

He said that she’s from Pensacola so I just wanted to put this out there, not saying it’s right BUT…”In Florida, the age of consent is 18, but there are some exceptions. Florida Statute 794.05, also known as the "Romeo and Juliet" law, allows 16 and 17 year olds to legally consent to sexual activity with people who are 16-23 years old. This creates a legal "safe zone" for people who are close in age but may be on the line between being a minor and an adult.”

[@ghostophelia2245]

She is so gross. Using the word affair, implying equal guilt, is disgusting. Shes worried about finances! What about her childrens' safety? What a joke. She needs to be locked up with him Edit: anyone defending her is equally disgusting. Your personal comfort does not take precedent over a child's safety! It's not ignorance. If you are ignorant to what statutory rape is, you are equally dangerous to the rapist. He likely abused much more than what his wife knew. He worked with children and she said nothing for years! Until it started affecting her own life with her own daughter. I weep for the state of this world that with our modern understanding of how debilitating sa is, that we would still get defenders of it. Disgusting

[@daneyd8401]

I agree. She is complicit because she said he had an affair with a minor. He abused a minor.

[@SerenaHe-z3k]

This woman's mind is at a different place. She had difficulty to call a rape rape. She doesn't trust herself, her own feelings and her own judgement. You can only imagine how much she has been gaslit through out of her life, and told she couldn't make it without her husband or someone in her family when she was a kid. She is not a whole person, she is not driving, someone or something is driving her life. Her soul is severely damaged by some trauma.

[@devadii24]

THIS

[@carriebell3566]

Well, finances ARE PART of caring for the children and their safety. However, I think them living with a child predator is bad enough to where poverty might be the better option 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️

[@vt4880]

Omg yes this women and her husband need to been locked up asap. This is scary especially when she got kids, this woman literally makes me sick to my stomach 😮

[@mandylloyd]

6:30 in and horrified that based on her tone & reactions she is annoyed that the focus is on his crime & not how his crime impacted her.......I take my hat off to Dr John, who is explaining to her the gravity of her decisions & his crime - I think their was what his heart wanted him to say & the anger he had to swallow, in order to say what she needed to hear in order to take the action she needs to take......file a police report on him, report any mandatory reporter who has protected him & divorce him.

[@jesssc402]

Why do sooo many abuse happen in church organizations!? Def makes me want to avoid being involved in any church organization altogether! Wtf is wrong with these adults! I’ll be a mom next month stuff like these scare the heck out of me…

[@thisisntallowed9560]

It takes courage to call someone out or report someone. So many people brush it off and I don't want to be that person.

[@luannkelly5071]

What is wrong with this lady? She is more concerned about keeping her marriage together than protecting children and youth! She's a teacher! Omg!

[@cathy7824]

What is wrong with people. It's disgusting that a grown man would bave any interest in a child and even just as sick that she is able to stay with him.

[@commonsense5555]

When she said 15 or 16 that means he was likely taking advantage of her at a way younger age. 15 is still statutory and a man like this belongs in jail, he probably has dozens of victims.

[@flower8371]

Sometimes I wonder where these people on this show are calling from. Had an "affair" with a minor. Like on what planet!!!!!!!!!! Ain't no way I'm calling in to ask this question cause ima be in court singing to the judge!!!

[@jayfaisa3171]

I get that she’s copeing, but her #1 priority now should be reporting this to the police.

[@hyrunnisa997]

He is probably a narcissist. He gaslight her over and over to the point where she didn't believe the freaking evidence right in front of her eyes.

[@hyrunnisa997]

She is responsible too for her own actions or in this case inaction. She needs to protect her daughters. He has been cheating since they first got together.

[@sunshinestate1306]

What do you mean he gaslit her?

[@ashleysalazar2012]

​@@hyrunnisa997We as women are not infants. We don't just crumble at the feet of a man and fall for tricks and lies because he's a "narcissist". She's a bad person. And she's an idiot.

[@sarafonfria]

He is a pedophile. Period

[@redmtl1]

Thank you for being so harsh against child abusers, our children protection is paramount

[@hippocampus243]

The loss of self trust after rape is the hardest part to recover from. I sincerely hope she has gotten out and is safe

[@SaystheTruth3]

I am literally shaking while listening to this !!She is just as bad as him for not reporting him!!!! God only knows how many more children were affected by this criminal !!

[@vilmareynoso7343]

💯 she's almost worse than him

[@jenniferkelly5753]

We have got to stop insanity like this! What would she done if that happened to Her Daughter!! Looking the other way is not acceptable that child was violated and yet no one turned him in to the authorities? How many other children has he violated- wth 🤦‍♀️

[@faithinthejourney6409]

i love listening to John, he holds so much heavy space for people.

[@calibrial]

Awful lot of judgement here for someone that has been through (at least) one traumatic life event, that most of you will never experience. Trauma does wild things to the brain which in turn affects judgement. Also, we have zero idea how he treats her behind closed doors. It doesn't make ANY of it excusable, but this woman needs grace and compassion.

[@victoriastone2975]

She really does - I think he’s completely brainwashed/gaslighted her and she can no longer think straight. Poor family!

[@christinaslate1865]

Lots of us have been though trauma . She is an adult ! Adults have a responsibility to PROTECT CHILDREN FROM PREDATORS. Period . End of story . Going through trauma doesn’t excuse her being an enabler . Maybe she should have went to therapy BEFORE she found out about her husband being a predator

[@ouwebrood497]

Most listeners just want to show of how decent they are. They don't have compassion for any victim, just for themselves.

[@rangers11000]

I’ve just started watching this Chanel and I have to say I knew that child abuse was pretty prevalent in the religious community but the amount of people phoning In talking about child abuse that are so called “deeply religious “ is absolutely unbelievable !! I’m shocked ! Well done doc for letting her know that she is part of the problem and dahiild have reported this monster as soon as she found out , otherwise she is knowingly enabling child abuse .

[@Khemtime]

18 YEARS!?!?!? It’s s**t like this that makes me completely fine with “everyone grab your torch and pitchfork” type justice. I am so sick of hearing about people who have allowed perverts to roam free. This burns me up so bad.

[@Hoonter101]

The girl is 18?

[@sean4060]

Relax dude. The guy was only a few years older than her at the time

[@TheAgentmigs]

Totally get Delonys frustration on this.

[@veronicalopez6187]

Im not even a minute in. Send this man to JAIL

[@rabekaspagnolo4928]

You mean... how do I trust my EX HUSBAND around my daughter and her friends? Take some accountability, lady! She didn't report it when she found out. She is now as responsible as him. So disgusting. How is she still married to him?????

[@JB-be1tm]

The bombshell toward the end... I feel for this woman and what she went through. I hope this call opened her eyes.

[@msthang5366]

She stated she had a “hunch” at the beginning..

[@samanthaflynn6140]

She's still trying to protect him!

[@traceygarza105]

What did I just listen too?! 😢

[@RussellD11]

this happens WAY MORE than you think it does!

[@ERIKALLOYD-fs4en]

No forgiveness or trying to get the trust back. This lady is delulu.

[@mnelson2008]

She is completely ignoring his VICTIMS and the fact that he's a predator!

[@sweetnovember8591]

The fact that they are even thinking if what to do. What? Divorce. Police. Move. Take his money.

[@melissaa.8547]

She’s a teacher in Florida, she should lose her license for not reporting

[@MamaRobynR]

This is unreal, like the most frustrating call ever! It just gets worse and worse. Wake tf up lady!!!!

[@ChardeeMacdennis339]

This was handled so well ❤️

[@bordeauxfr1574]

Honestly... zero sympathy for this woman.

[@CrispyFriedPickles]

This sounds like an episode of Law & Order SVU….

[@deniseg2708]

Shes horrible for letting this go own. She should go to jail too

[@Bethany0420]

She just admitted she's a teacher, so she's a mandated reporter and didn't report this crime. She should be stripped of her teaching license, too!

[@KEL364]

Raped a child, not "had sex with." A crime, not an affair.

[@alex7171]

Depends on her specific age, and the specific state. If she's 16, it might be morally wrong anywhere, but is only illegal in a minority of states.

[@melonioilar8569]

Say what it truly is! It’s abuse and not okay! He raped a child!

[@alex7171]

@@punkrockgirl488 Why exactly would stating objective facts be "concerning" or "scary"? I've already noted that being with a 16 year-old can be considered morally wrong for anyone significantly older. However, it's not a crime in most states. If you want to make it a crime, work to reform the law. Until then, it's concerning and scary that people want to lock people up for doing things they personally find immoral, even if it's not a crime. Under that reasoning, a lot of woman who get abortions could get locked up.

[@acorn8170]

Especially the fact it was the babysitter at the church he is ON STAFF at...he is disgusting. This is bad in all ways

[@KEL364]

@@alex7171 Age of consent doesn't count in situations where it's someone in a position of authority to the child. This is why teachers can be arrested for sexual abuse of students who are 16-18 and still in school under their authority and guidance.

[@divinecrime]

“How do I trust a male adult who victimized little girls at church?” You literally DON’T. At all. Ever.

[@JackMason-oq8lf]

Actually ....how can you trust anything that has to do with church?

[@Mvjorgirlmvjorpvin]

This is THE WORST type of human being ever. Statistically, historically, all of it.

[@BrownCreature]

Clearly stated not a little girl. 15-16 or 16-17, he was 23... it's a crime but not what you're making it out to be

[@MaryDaley-h3x]

@@BrownCreature I’m now 31 I was repeatedly raped starting at 15 by a guy that turned 24 six weeks in I don’t think you know what you are talking about.

[@jf8200]

Her husband IS a predator. He’s the exact definition of the word. Please do not engage in predator apologetics. If you have someone in mind from a similar situation, please call child protective services in your area and talk out the details with them. They’ll be able to sort through everything and see if anything needs to be done.

[@intensepassion3382]

You literally cannot have an "affair" with a child

[@Juangalt]

Why not?

[@miranda725]

@@Juangaltit’s assumed it’s consensual. It’s just simply a crime.

[@gloriajean8024]

@@miranda725 A child cannot consent though.

[@brightpage1020]

Agreed. Not developementally capable of consent because they can’t fully conceptualize the potential risks to their lives and lifestyles… in a mature or measured way.

[@thestorybehindthat5236]

20 years ago society didn't see an "almost adult" teenager with a young adult man as molestation. In that sense a whole lot of people were collectively enablers without realizing it. Pretty sure there were, maybe still are, states that allow teenagers to marry young adults. I think you could even marry as a teen to someone older if you have an unplanned pregnancy too. I imagine at the time he didn't see himself as a predator as she was "almost a legal adult" and he was a young adult. He probably did see the relationship as an affair. Imagine now that we're clear on these situations as a society there's men that know better than to go there and don't want to get labeled a pedophile. But it wasn't always like that. We just didn't see something like this as deeply problematic. A couple in my church were teenage sweethearts. She was a freshman when he was a senior. They both got married when she turned 18 and still together with a bunch of kids now.

[@dolphinbear661]

That's not an "affair", that's a "crime".

[@Mom_to_schnauzers]

YES!!!

[@pamelatd]

Yes!! Not an affair.

[@user-wf6ce4ow9x]

In the state of Florida, once a juvenile turns the age of 16, they may consent to sexual activity with someone who is between the ages of 16-23 years old.

[@josephinenelan4204]

@@user-wf6ce4ow9x I'm pretty sure you can still prosecute it, it just means someone can petition to not be registered as a s offender. FL is one if the stricter states if people (usually parents) want to push the issue. When you look up law sites, and the actual statutes, it's not as simple as "legal".

[@pamelatd]

@@user-wf6ce4ow9x I would assume the law would take into account the power this man had over her. They weren't just kids dating. He was an adult in a position of power in church and because he was her boss, as she was the babysitter. I doubt she was really able to consent without fear of losing her job.

[@Nahhnope]

She's a teacher?! And she didn't report child abuse?!

[@katrinna7311]

Irresponsable. When she said that she’s a teacher I did a double take at my phone

[@brendamoon2660]

Doesn't she have a legal obligation to report? If this was someone else's husband she would have CPS on speed dial

[@kennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn1242]

@@brendamoon2660 yes teachers are mandatory reporters

[@T-CainesZR1]

She was raped.. her brain has been rewired when she was young. Taking along time for her to come to terms with all of this. Doesn't make it right.

[@jessicadominguez1315]

She should lose her job and her certification permanently.

[@samanthasmiles9112]

23 year old slept with a 15 year old while he was in a position of power. Holy cow. This guy belongs in jail.

[@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr]

Could be a lot worse. Far from monster levels

[@strawberryfields6917]

That is a monster, especially considering he's a so called Christian who you would think would know better. No excuses whatsoever ​@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr

[@Daddycthulu978]

Believe me when I say that it gets much much worse than that.

[@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr]

@@Daddycthulu978 But to the emotional people everyone is a monster. No degrees to anything. So ridiculous

[@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr]

@@strawberryfields6917 He's really not a monster at all. It's a very common thing to be attracted to 15 year olds still when you're 223. And only one year later she would be legal in many, many states. There's a huge difference between hooking up with a 15 year old vs a 5 year old

[@jenniferLemkeMomma]

As a child that was molested I can tell you it still effects me to this day and im married with four children. Please 🥺 stop 🛑 letting children be abused

[@k.s.k.7721]

Studies are showing that 18 year old girls who have sex under duress (even emotional pressure) as their first sexual experience have much higher rates of suicide, depression, heart disease, addiction, autoimmune diseases, etc. It changes a life FOREVER. Imagine how much more physical/mental/emotional damage is done with a younger child.

[@jenniferLemkeMomma]

@@k.s.k.7721 darlin that sounds absolutely correct. I worry still over what happened with my abusive controlling addict to porn loser ex husband exposed our daughters to porn because he was literally watching it in the same room 🤦🤷‍♀️🤢 just by turning the screen but he had headphones on and wasn't watching the girls like he's supposed to be doing and they literally caught him and one of the times that they caught him he braided her to the point that he made her feel like she is disgusting and that it was all her fault and so the first very sexual thing she's ever witnessed before was not regular porn it was a VIOLENT GANGBANG. so happy 😊 now with a good man that has stepped up to be their daddy from day one.

[@Xpens]

How was this girl in the vid abused? Assuming it was consensual?

[@hashtagmate]

I'm so, so sorry. Please know that there are so many people who care about protecting children and who would IMMEDIATELY call the police

[@colleenhollenbeck6929]

💯 agree I feel ur pain and healing ❤️‍🩹

[@adia0005]

“You’re pretending your house is still standing and it’s not.” Such a powerful statement. This is so insane, it just get progressively worse. She needs to grow up and hold not only her POS husband but herself accountable for the bad decisions that were made.

[@SobrietyandSolace]

The hurricane analogy is great and Imm glad he told her straight she needs to see things. (and him) for what they really are

[@heatherlowe7330]

I don't know if I am more disgusted by the fact that she knew he is a predator and said nothing to his employers who let him work with children or the fact that she allowed her children to be around him!!!

[@suadasuehuseinovic2472]

@@heatherlowe7330you’re disgusting, how dare you blame her!! She’s the VICTIM! Have some EMPATHY & get a grip over your ego who thinks it knows everything!

[@michelleashton6712]

This lady is so checked out of her own life. Listening to this is insane.

[@ryancxe]

Yea, she sounds almost spaced out

[@Africa-ky1bg]

THIS is the result of her being violated. She is still numb ALL these years later. Not an excuse ...the truth. That is why abuse is SO DEVASTATING for your entire lifetime - it is a bomb going off in your life - you get triggered for the rest of your life. I wish she had gotten therapy in college & before she married this guy ...or much much earlier & turn this guy into authorities - especially with her being a teacher. This is such a sick situation this woman is living in. The best she can do is turn him in and protect her daughter's - she may go to jail too. She needs intensive therapy.

[@lmsteller9736]

Trauma creeps inside the brain and body (illness) if it’s not dealt with.

[@Peem_pom]

Yeah and she has deluded herself. But let's not forget the bigger issue here is husband dearest

[@ulhi7564]

​@@Peem_pom also would like to add that the continuing access the husband has to his own kids and kids at the church really means he is a threat right to the wellbeing of several kids right now, not eventually but right now

[@mulderitsmee]

I have huge respect to John for calling her out for not reporting it. Someone had to say it

[@theluckienurse]

I’m only 6 mins in so far… the caller is disturbing, her husband is disturbing, and their little support circle at church /with their therapist is disturbing. The fact that she did not leave him and nobody thought to report this man…

[@ImDahDude]

You obviously didn’t finish it because you’ve edited it after hearing that this caller was also raped. She’s traumatized which probably explains why she responded the way she did.

[@theluckienurse]

@@ImDahDude I finished it. I feel bad for her but she needs real help

[@sabrinaliu66]

A true reflection of the modern church, how screwed we are.

[@juliarussellkautt4748]

So many of these comments criticizing the wife reveal that you don’t understand the dynamics of spousal abuse. The wife is as much a victim as the teen girl. Her husband groomed her. He has gaslighted her into believing it’s wrong for her to betray him. I guarantee that creep knew exactly how to talk to her and treat her so she’d stay loyal. It messes with your mind. She sounds like a sweet, loyal person. She does not need to be thrashed - she needs compassion and guidance to help her understand that she also is suffering sexual abuse and to understand she’s married to a criminal and needs to call it what it is and GET OUT and away. People need to get educated about the way sexual predators and narcissistic sociopaths operate. I’ll say it again, the wife IS ALSO A VICTIM.

[@theluckienurse]

@@juliarussellkautt4748 you can be a victim and an enabler / a predator. Unfortunately, many predators were once victims who grew up and continued the same cycle that hurt them.

[@kathleencooney1518]

I just have a horrible feeling that she isn’t going to leave him. They’ve been married for over 16 years and he has full control over her. She went from rape to a guy she thought saved her. Turns out, he’s a criminal and a pervert. I pray she left but I just don’t think she is strong enough.

[@jazzycarlianna]

That and the fact that I'm sure her Church has made her believe she has to stay with him.

[@aarondavid5866]

to report her husband. from 2006 when he was young and a girl who was of consent.? are you fucking insane?

[@karolina1972]

​@@JackMason-oq8lf What would Jesus do? He certainly would not let a predator pray on children. I can not for the love of me understand how can you put an offender beyond the victim in a situation involving kids. I don't care, if he needs help mentally, he may receive it while being inprisoned. "Are you there full of judgement?" YES, yes you are, as you should, because you are not called to be blind to wrongdoings of others and God i hope, i HOPE people open their eyes and behave as they should in situations like this one, reporting predators and helping those innocent childern.

[@jauntycommander1065]

@@JackMason-oq8lfmy brother did this and I testified against him. I love my brother but I judge and condemn his actions. He is in prison and will remain there where he can not harm anyone else. You can love someone and still pass righteous judgment. He is a monster, so is my brother. I would take the stand again. There is NO excuse and I think you should get counseling and be looked into further because it seems like you identify with this sickness, get help and stay away from living things.

[@jauntycommander1065]

Hey guys I think this guy should be looked into. Internet warriors please do your thing. His comments are alarming . (Reviewed his recent comments)

[@lashaonda]

The fact that she called it an "affair" is WILD! That "therapist" was probably a church counselor so of course they wouldn't report it.

[@haleytruslow7200]

Bingo. It’s definitely a church counselor who recommended prayer and did not report the abuse 🙄

[@EmpressMermaid]

Something tells me she also classified her own rape in college as "had pre-marital sex." I'm willing to bet he "prayed over me and still accepted me even though I was damaged goods."

[@diondredouglas7668]

Why wouldn't a church counselor report it?

[@orangesplaylist]

@@diondredouglas7668 I meannn look at the people in that church she's in...

[@haleytruslow7200]

@@diondredouglas7668 Typically they offer “counseling” and prayer and handle things within the church rather than involving law enforcement. They aren’t actual therapists so they are not mandated reporters. Church counselors are notorious for sweeping sexual crimes under the rug.

[@kuro.hitsuji]

Your reaction when she said "He was on staff at a church" was all of us. I appreciate how you don't hold back about how sick it is

[@colinbradfield72]

Most of these videos mentions church makes you think about how maybe religion is not a good thing

[@omairamena5493]

​@colinbradfield72 same thought, I simply cannot belive it, the caller wow wow how can she be with him after knowing all of that

[@jonnylumberjack6223]

​@@colinbradfield72 There are so many people who think that going to church and saying "praise Jesus" multiple times a day makes them good people. There is no link between their religious thinking and their morality. None.

[@unexpectedsongbird8952]

Unfortunately, I literally said out loud "Of course he was...OF COURSE he was!!" When the church comment was made. How screwed up is it though that THAT is my first thought (and I'm sure a lot of people's first thought) when I hear "position of power" and "affair (which is the MOST ridiculous thing to call it!) with a minor" and I'm in England!! I'm not even in the same freaking country but THAT is the size of the epidemic of abuse within churches and organised religion on a global scale. It is truly horrific. I have huge sympathy for her as a r @pe (not sure if you're allowed to use the actual word on youtube) survivor, however, she is also a teacher which at least in the UK also makes HER a mandatory reporter spouse or no spouse and as much as she desperately needs help and support to deal with trauma when you step into a position such as that of a teacher you're agreeing to, certainly when it comes to s exual assault etc put other people's safety above your own and YOU REPORT. 😢 Now she has to learn to live with her own trauma and (when it dawns on her, which it will, one day) the trauma of knowing the number of young girls he could and likely has victimised since. People like this DON'T stop at one. They just don't! 😢😢😢

[@JC-kj1kx]

Everyone mentioned in this call (husband, church, therapist, and teacher caller) committed crimes covering up or not reporting this guy's molestation. I hope someone brings this to local authorities attention.

[@michaelbarker1860]

I looked it up and it seems as if he is covered under the Romeo and Juliet law in Florida. He committed no crime. So what are the authorities supposed to do?

[@JC-kj1kx]

@@michaelbarker1860 as an attorney that's a misreading of the law. That's a potential affirmative defense after charges have been made. Moreover, the age difference she gave of 15 to 22/23 falls outside that. Someone who is married and in power over a child doesn't win on Romeo and Juliet affirmative defense. That's for high school kids that are in different classes.

[@michaelbarker1860]

@@JC-kj1kx She said either 15/16 or 16/17. The 16/17 would, indeed, fall into that. The R/J law is for high school kids? 23 year old high school kids? I agree with the "in power" part if it was a teacher/student relationship, but I didn't hear what his position with the church was.

[@JC-kj1kx]

@@michaelbarker1860 again it really doesn't apply here and it's an affirmative defense I.e. it's something you have to prove as a defendant not law enforcement. The local authorities can't ignore such an offense without an investigation just because two people fall into the age range. It wouldn't matter what his official position for statutory rape of a minor. Everyone here hide a child molester.

[@sueblack5794]

Welcome to how religion covers up for its own and then just passes them on to the next church /victims. John is 100% right there are more victims.

[@lydiahearts8611]

I'm a trauma therapist and I cannot say loudly enough that he put his finger right on top of it when he said she married a predator who took advantage of the horrible trauma she'd been through and what it did to her psychologically.

[@calisongbird]

He spent 99% of the call talking about her and her marriage and her feelings and her past.... and VERY LITTLE about all the CHILDREN who are STILL in danger of predation by her pedophile husband. He made reference to it at one point, that the guy was still "floatin around out there," but at no point did he say "You need to report your husband to the authorities NOW." So let's say this woman takes her kids and leaves the marriage successfully - great. Her ex-husband is still out there potentially preying on young people. WTF????

[@dachater1]

@@calisongbird yes that's true, but this woman is crumbling and John made the effort in this call to rescue her soul. Kudos to him!

[@lizvingert6442]

You are 100% correct.

[@CrystalBlanchard-f9r]

I feel like the woman has been through abusive situations. Maybe this was her crying out for help.

[@dogfan5994]

​@@calisongbirdI'm sure he had no choice to report him.

[@mae_liii]

The fact that she works with kids AND is a mandatory reporter and yet has failed to report her husband to the police is completely insane! I’m LIVID

[@heatherlowe7330]

Totally agree!

[@MSSHARIII]

Right 🤯🤯🤯 What on earth 😩😩

[@red7474]

Yesssss! She should be charged with the husband! Silence is compliance!!!

[@alanluscombe8a553]

And she even states that he has been fired and creepy before. Dude is a predator and there is no trusting or fixing these people. And soooo many sickos use religion as a shield and so many of these churches cover this stuff up. If he was fired for this incident why was he not in jail

[@benjaminhartman4488]

This woman is an enabler. She had a responsibility to protect the community from him.

[@mikkibates7854]

AND she is a victim, who probably didn't get care after her own trauma. Everyone needs to join forces against this perpetrator. Mom was mistakenly trying to protect her kids - while she was actually putting them in harms way EVERY day.

[@juliarussellkautt4748]

So many of these comments criticizing the wife reveal that you don’t understand the dynamics of spousal abuse. The wife is as much a victim as the teen girl. Her husband groomed her. He has gaslighted her into believing it’s wrong for her to betray him. I guarantee that creep knew exactly how to talk to her and treat her so she’d stay loyal. It messes with your mind. She sounds like a sweet, loyal person. She does not need to be thrashed - she needs compassion and guidance to help her understand that she also is suffering sexual abuse and to understand she’s married to a criminal and needs to call it what it is and GET OUT and away. People need to get educated about the way sexual predators and narcissistic sociopaths operate. I’ll say it again, the wife IS ALSO A VICTIM.

[@benjaminhartman4488]

@@juliarussellkautt4748 She was confronted with a terrible choice and she made the decision that resulted in the least public shame. I would have been sympathetic if she chose to turn him in... She was wrong to cover this up and went from victim to enabler.

[@Efalonda]

Its all womens fault. Man behaves bad = woman let him. Culture of "letting him".

[@benjaminhartman4488]

@@Efalonda What a trash response, showing little thought, as he is obviously the primary villain here. That is separate from her problem - she is being an enabler after turning a blind eye. Has nothing to do with gender roles as you tried to suggest.

[@thetravelingsparky]

His anger and rage towards the church failing its people, especially children, is much needed and a breath of fresh air! John is consistent everytime this type of call comes in. Call the police, fire the people involved and hold them accountable! Thank you for being an outlier and not a sheep. Too many people take the low road cause it easy. Not John. He is mad and telling you….amazing! Def the voice of reason and defense.

[@lyssbeth]

She should be ashamed of herself just as much as the therapist and the church for not having reported him. She’s a mother and a teacher (a mandated reporter). Also calling it an affair? It’s RAPE not an affair.

[@willak79bud90]

@Kaylei Burke way to diagnose in KZbin comments. Did women just learn the word "narcissist"?

[@kfmarceau]

I would suggest she was scared to not be gas lit. These situations are crazy and scary, and I wouldn’t judge her for that

[@MaxSujyReact]

Typical cowardly victim blaming. She is a rape survivor who married an abuser. He selected her carefully like all abuser do.

[@GabrielXDrums]

@@willak79bud90 you sound like a pure misogynyst for that, how’s that?

[@willak79bud90]

@@GabrielXDrums did you just learn the term "misogynist"?

[@TheAgentmigs]

Her not thinking it's an issue until her OWN daughter became the age of one of his victims is pure hypocrisy.

[@joannahepworth2230]

Right ? He probably already is molesting the daughter as well.

[@dewilew2137]

It really isn’t. Especially considering her religious upbringing, and the fact that she was assaulted herself. Many people don’t come to terms with their own abuse until they have a child that starts to approach the age they were when it happened to them. This woman is more of a victim than the commenters are willing to acknowledge.

[@juliarussellkautt4748]

So many of these comments criticizing the wife reveal that you don’t understand the dynamics of spousal abuse. The wife is as much a victim as the teen girl. Her husband groomed her. He has gaslighted her into believing it’s wrong for her to betray him. I guarantee that creep knew exactly how to talk to her and treat her so she’d stay loyal. It messes with your mind. She sounds like a sweet, loyal person. She does not need to be thrashed - she needs compassion and guidance to help her understand that she also is suffering sexual abuse and to understand she’s married to a criminal and needs to call it what it is and GET OUT and away. People need to get educated about the way sexual predators and narcissistic sociopaths operate. I’ll say it again, the wife IS ALSO A VICTIM.

[@kellharris2491]

@@juliarussellkautt4748 she maybe a victim but she is not as much a victim as th 15 year old.

[@willytodd2750]

@@juliarussellkautt4748 She's also a criminal for covering up a crime. You can be the victim of something and also a perpetrator, that would be most sexual predators. Perhaps the husband was a victim of a crime in the past, why do you not dismiss everything he has done then?

[@sharlize132]

She still needs to report him cuz he could get joint custody of those kids!! He could have access to those kids all alone!

[@heatherlowe7330]

The fact that she has known for YEARS and he works with kids! 😱🤢🤬

[@Cookieboy70]

I can tell John is holding back on going off on this woman. She is terrible for finding out and not saying or even doing anything different.

[@katrinna7311]

I can tell also. Any sane person would rip her a new one

[@brendamoon2660]

Hopefully John is going to call the police after the call.

[@Asha-ww9ct]

Agreed

[@animaluva098]

Way to easy on her, Dave shud have gotten this call, wud have lit her up!

[@jessicadominguez1315]

@@animaluva098 It would have been a mistake, shutting her down might make you feel good in the moment but it doesn't open her up to change and in fact would likely keep her with her husband in silence.

[@PearlsCraftsYT]

WHY IS SHE JUST SITTING THERE RECOUNTING ALL THIS TO DR JOHN BUT NOT THE COPS

[@shawnanderson7858]

she's probably simply just protecting him.

[@SD99722]

Im hoping this is her taking a baby step towards going to the cops. It is scary even admitting something big and scary like this even happened around you/involving you/ involving someone you love or who is close to you.... I'm praying this call to into the show is the wife taking the first step towards coming out with this deep dark secret she's buried and locked away for so long. Good for you Sarah for gathering your courage towards taking the first step to the truth. God be with you and your children. 🙏🏼🩷

[@jacksgl777]

@@SD99722. So what would you recommend? Go to the cops and say “yes, I’d like to report that my husband slept with a 16/17 yo when he was 22/23. And it was 20 years ago”. WHAT do you think will happen from that?

[@JennieC21]

I was SA’d at age 5/6 then again at age 12. I was an anxious wreck, struggled with depression, confidence and trust issues for many many years (40 years!) When my daughter was around age 5/6 I can remember the utter fear and panic attacks I had seeing my tiny girl and how sweet and little and innocent she was and I was a complete wreck!!! As Dr John would say I “put a pin on that age” uugghh the fear of someone touching her or even looking at her that way was utterly terrifying 😨😭

[@CairynJay]

I LOVE how John handled this. This is EXACTLY how someone should respond. “Tell me he’s been fired” “tell me the therapist reported him?!” “GET A LAWYER” all of the things. I love how strongly he worded his disgust with everyone who enabled this dude including the wife who called. He held her accountable as well which was great. Why has SO MANY people in his life, including the church, let him get away with this?!!

[@calisongbird]

He spent 99% of the call talking about her and her marriage and her feelings and her past.... and VERY LITTLE about all the CHILDREN who are STILL in danger of predation by her pedophile husband. He made reference to it at one point, that the guy was still "floatin around out there," but at no point did he say "You need to report your husband to the authorities NOW." So let's say this woman takes her kids and leaves the marriage successfully - great. Her ex-husband is still out there potentially preying on young people. WTF????

[@miss_sunshine25]

Because way too many "churches" are more concerned with their reputation than protecting the innocent!!!!!!

[@bettyjojoeharperre-imagina7322]

“Why did the church let him get away with it?” The church infamously does not look out for the children. That’s not just Catholics, any church!

[@FancyRPGCanada]

Shame. It’s always shame

[@patl.spears9288]

IAs a Pastor myself, I loved when he said “have your Pastor call me. I’d love to talk to the dude.”

[@eh1126]

Listening to this makes my blood boil. You can tell from her voice she’s not going to do anything. Yes, it sucks that she was abused but at some point you have to be an adult and protect the kids in the way you could not be protected. She only cares about this because it’s her own daughter.

[@lindap.p.1337]

She got so quiet. I think she is listening intently and I also feel she is ready to go. Her conscience is bothering her. She feels the pain. I think she may go. She has talked to her brother about it. Let’s hope for the best.

[@DrHellcat]

​@@lindap.p.1337 she's definitely not going anywhere. At all.

[@Sunrise-fr9jb]

@@DrHellcatshe called John. I think she is going to take action. Everyone on here always does worse case senario for the caller

[@amy2561]

Agreed. I think she is going to turn a blind eye like she has. Makes me sick. Wonder how she’d feel if her daughter was the victim. I want to vomit after listening to this call. Vomit.

[@rchhtt5210]

I have sympathy for this women’s trauma, and at the same time she does hold accountability for staying silent. This is how cycles of abuse repeat over and over again. She has to break the cycle and take a step forward to protect herself, her kids, and speak the truth of what’s been kept in the dark.

[@Loakley1998]

Well said. I agree

[@lifehappensfast_21]

She should not get a pass for not reporting and keeping her kids exposed

[@VV-er3zg]

she literally only called to get advice on her marriage. like. lady. we cannot overlook the whole crime !!

[@Cometcast12]

You’re 100% correct. However, you have to consider the human psyche of the person being manipulated to believe even if he’s done these things, “But you know me, you know I’m not a bad guy.” “The situation is overblown” etc. type manipulation speeches from men who do these things. Plus her religion plays a role in warping her mind, denial plays a huge role as a survival mechanism, and she herself is a victim of SA… so many nuanced factors here taking place. The human brain does a lot of weird things to keep us feeling comfortable and safe with or without our permission, and if we’re lucky our moral convictions will override that stuff, like this woman’s (painfully slowly) gut and moral convictions eventually did

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@Cometcast12and she got involved with him after being raped. He was her rescuer, she couldn’t believe he was also an abuser She never saw the connection. John did.

[@TheChitowngirl23]

Did you listen to whole call, this women is also a victim?

[@racheltarentino3314]

​@TheChitowngirl23 yeah but that was a CHILD. Not another woman

[@Shadowwind4]

This was absolutely insane. I am extremely impressed with Jon for not minimizing this even a little bit

[@calisongbird]

Except he did. He spent 99% of the call talking about her and her marriage and her feelings and her past.... and VERY LITTLE about all the CHILDREN who are STILL in danger of predation by her pedophile husband. He made reference to it at one point, that the guy was still "floatin around out there," but at no point did he say "You need to report your husband to the authorities NOW." So let's say this woman takes her kids and leaves the marriage successfully - great. Her ex-husband is still out there potentially preying on young people. WTF????

[@tanyapeterson3940]

That’s not an affair that’s a felony

[@Arose888]

Not saying it’s right but he said she’s from Pensacola…”In Florida, the age of consent is 18, but there are some exceptions. Florida Statute 794.05, also known as the "Romeo and Juliet" law, allows 16 and 17 year olds to legally consent to sexual activity with people who are 16-23 years old. This creates a legal "safe zone" for people who are close in age but may be on the line between being a minor and an adult.”

[@jennprescott2757]

Right. It’s not moral but it could be legal. She should absolutely leave him and the church should absolutely fire him. But he might not be in trouble with the law.

[@Arthurnate]

Why is it always a church. Parents, do not leave your kids unattended at church.

[@sidni.d5989]

Or just don't go to church.

[@JackMason-oq8lf]

Children, don't trust big people, especially moms and dads. Aunts and uncles. Don't trust religion or the people who get involved. Tell your friends if your parents try to have sex with you. Big people should have sex with people their age, not your age. Remember, you can leave there if it gets too weird. Call your grandmother. Otherwise, stick with your friends, they can be trusted to watch out for you.

[@davinasquirrel7672]

The 15/16yo was the babysitter. But sure, he was working for the church at that time.

[@pakilee87]

You've never heard stories of school teachers molesting their students. Especially the female ones have you?

[@blondegiraffe2023]

It's not always a church. Sometimes it's a school. It happens where people abuse their positions and it breaks my heart especially that it happens at all in a church where sin should be called out and not tolerated at all