HE ONLY - STILL WORKS??? World of Tanks

[@Johnny2x4701]

was the HE nerf a move to get more people to use MORE premium rounds because it would be nearly pointless to take HE?

[@FishFind3000]

Yes, and also to get people to buy op hull down tanks to actually compete

[@redclaytanto]

That and the hull down gods were tired of being equalized with he spams on their turrets because there was no other way to fight them. Seriously, Wargaming isn't even hiding the fact that they hate their players and only want their money.

[@killerxd8939]

Yh

[@imma5761]

Op hull down tanks were as equally dumb as HE. Tanks like FV or 60tp doing 300+ dmg while hitting thick parts of armor was dumbest thing ever. But new HE "rework" is even worse and dumber

[@russelanderson9437]

I feel like there's no winning with HE. It was super annoying having armor be useless because of HE but it's also annoying to have HE be useless because of armor

[@NavGTI]

70% wanting derp heavies with impenetrable armor on high tiers to be less broken? I can understand that. 70% wanting what they implemented? I highly doubt it.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Definitely

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Yeah, the point was to fix the armour model, not the ammo. The problem was that you had to spam heat at them while they could rek you with he. Now both have to spam heat at eachother.

[@NavGTI]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 the whole problem is just the constant addition of tanks with full impenetrable frontal armor models, having no chance of penning it in any way. Tanks need their weakspots back. All of them.

[@hoodlum1107]

@@vovochen fixed it for you...HE changes were really good for WG. Now everyone shoots gold.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@NavGTI this game needs so much. Giving them weakspots would also break the game at this point. Everything is just creeped to crap. Pen, alpha, dpm, speed, viewrange, mobility, acuracy, armour. It is all way to high nowdays. Just watch one of jingles old videos from 2015 or so and look at the difference. And the new equipment and field mods and everything only make it worse when tanks are already creeped to insane levels, most players have decent crews on their tanks, the game is awash with credits so everyone is using premium everything, consumables are now reusable so all tanks are at the top of their ability all the time. The whole critical damage mechanic is useless now, it has just become a tax to play the que. So much wrong atm. The things like having to have a tank that works on all maps kept tanks from becomming to strong, or you had a strong tank on some maps and a sub par tank on others where also balancing mechanics. Now everyone has a highly optimised tank for every map, another masive part of the power creep. Just like the consumables, when was the last time you could perma track someone. Or had to play with a broken gun or broken engine or ammorack for more that half a minute? Or a dead loader or driver or whatever. If you don't, nobody has to anymore. In the past that happened 15 times more then your enemies then it happened to you, so you regularly ran into tanks that could no longer repair, now that never happens anymore. These where all parts of the game balance that have been taken away. Played agresive at the start and got your tank rekt, play with a broken one the rest of the game. Was all about risk reward with real concequences. Now you can go all in, lay back for a minute or 2 and have your tank back to strenght

[@lMrJackl]

This video showcases (almost) everything I hate about WoT and why I've stopped playing. Unbalanced, corridor maps. OP reward tanks slinging gold. The HE nerf. Idiot team mates. All adds up to make the game nowadays a frustratingly bad experience.

[@TinyWiener]

Ok thx.

[@thehomie399]

Ah yes the dogs that we call teammates

[@g.d.graham2446]

Agreed

[@meaninglesscog]

Sounds similar to what people were saying even back in 2015.

[@ricardosenpai6121]

@@meaninglesscog it was playable and still fun. Good maps and less OP tanks.

[@666aron]

Oi! The HE rounds still do some damage. Time for another nerf comrade! Oh, and while we are waiting for it to happen, take a look at our newest Russian super heavy with 4 barrel auto-reloader, impenetrable armor with pneumatic wheels and light tank-like top speed.

[@rexmexzilla]

Dont forguet - 20° of gun depression, 600 damage and 0.15 dispertion. plus a base view range of 500 and the camo of a light tank.

[@rexmexzilla]

@@vovochen thats the borderline most retarded thing ive ever heard. If i want to penetrate reliably i load silver or gold. not a shell in wich RNG can tell me "No Damage"

[@neokim5492]

@@vovochen "Used as intended for penetration" Me using HE only getting critical hits with a total number less than the games I played on that day. What do you mean by HE is intended for? For fun? It's not even fun at all.

[@denikec]

Most garbage change ever. Atleast using 105mm on the jumbo was fun, now it's garbage.

[@ivan_9386]

KV2 also

[@hpbaconsandwich856]

Wow its like you can’t one shot seals anymore.

[@rexmexzilla]

@@hpbaconsandwich856 you actually can, if you fire gold. Also Seals could just sidescrape and let the shot be absorbed by the tracks before. i remmeber i did that in my light tanks agaisnt prutes like the KV-2. Now Yes you can abuse seals but you have to pay a commisison to WG in orther to do so with gold rounds. Im better off selling the tanks and buyying something like a Lago or in tier VI a T-150, Skoda T25 or even the P 43.

[@apersondath813]

@@rexmexzilla they are called seals for a reason,they are clueless.

[@denikec]

@@rexmexzilla Exactly, the "problem" isn't even fixed, you can club all you want with gold ammo. If you meet tier 6 or 7 though (I won't even mention tier 8, you're dead), then god help you as the gun handling was not compensated for the HE nerf, so you have to aim for weakspots with a 0.50 gun now. Insane.

[@eclairamisu2517]

Ah, the legend is back. The legend...known as...HE-man.

[@andy-p3d2i]

When QB does more damage with HE that I do playing with all I can...

[@EpicMusicFan100]

@@vovochen Like yourself, since u are watching qb as well?....

[@homiespaghetti1522]

the HE nerf is still the worst update to WoT I've experienced in my time playing. just took the fun out of the game

[@TheGrandexeno]

For me it's when they designed light tanks capable of penning even heavy tanks from the front. Many years ago.

[@distantthunder12ck55]

The introduction of EBRs was maybe the worst for me, followed by HE changes.

[@puciohenzap891]

The arty nerf was, I stopped playing years ago because of that.

[@distantthunder12ck55]

@@puciohenzap891 I'd rather three arties per game than one EBR or one Chieftain, or one 279e.

[@TheGrandexeno]

@@puciohenzap891 lmao "nerf"

[@bogdanraulzbinca3433]

You should try this on the 60TP . I wonder how is working now with HE with 60TP

[@vybonghoanho]

it worked! just like sh*t :)

[@rexmexzilla]

SHit, i load only silver on the 60TP and is so much better

[@juanjosedelpinorivas7099]

The nonsense from the past was corrected, fortunately. In some situations it works, of course, but those situations have gone down massively.

[@TheGrandexeno]

@@juanjosedelpinorivas7099 you don't even know what you're talking about

[@UnknownRex]

@@rexmexzilla I have a few rounds of HE for the paper tanks, but yeah, HE sucks for anything else.

[@meglablandata]

We all know the statement that 70% of player base want these changes is one big lie, but there is more! Let's not forget the video on the official WOT EU KZbin channel which listed the following reasons for HE Sandbox launch: 1. HE shells should be more predictable. 2. HE shells should be more usable on smaller caliber guns. So, fellow tankers, I am asking out of pure curiosity. How predictable do you find the re-balanced HE rounds after 1 year of playing? I, personally, have no clue if I do 20 or 220 damage to a heavy tank's turret with my Leopard... Also, I have no clue if the FV4005 is going to one shot me or do a flat zero damage when hitting my track! How is that predictable?! Also, talking about lower calibers. How many HE shells do you carry on your T67 or M10 RBFM when go have some fun in those lower tier battles? I carry none on all guns below 85 mm, because they are even more useless than they were before the so-called re-balance!

[@stivenstivensson4542]

No it isn't. Players with brains actually waited for these changes for so long.

[@stivenstivensson4542]

Talking about how predictive HE shells, they are very predictive. You can even constantly damage 279e which has 300+ armour with a tier 1 tank 100% of the time.

[@YoRHaAttackerNo2]

I only use HE in the Caliban. Most HE doesn't have the pen to get past LT tracks and won't splash damage or even track the LT.

[@TheGrandexeno]

He shells are even more of a roulette than before. Example. 300dmg Vs arty side. In an obj 704.

[@distantthunder12ck55]

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yes it was a lie, just read comments on yt vids, read the forums, look at the forum poll that was taken, total lie. Oh, and I think QB even did a poll and it was literally the direct opposite.

[@StephenJohnson-jb7xe]

I used to carry half HE and half STD rounds in my Scorp G, the idea was my gold rounds were bouncing off the heavily armored T10 tanks but if I supported my HT and fired 10 HE at the enemy I could do 1000 to 1500 damage and perhaps help turn the tide in favor of our guys. When they nerfed HE that no longer worked.

[@Godl1ked]

Oh no, skilled newb tactic stopped working. Oh no.

[@StephenJohnson-jb7xe]

@@Godl1ked thanks for your helpful insights mr. Pro player. It must have taken you a long time to choose just the right words.

[@Godl1ked]

@@StephenJohnson-jb7xe Np, Mr. Cabbage.

[@StephenJohnson-jb7xe]

@@Godl1ked while most people would have gone with tomato, because that what bad players are called in WoT, in a stroke of genius you went with cabbage. I concede that you truly are masterful keyboard warrior.

[@LL-mi8oc]

@@StephenJohnson-jb7xe maybe u could try aiming and not spamming HE LUL

[@ajvanmarle]

Nerving HE took so much fun out of the game. I used to love driving a Sherman, or a T34/85 with the howitzer mounted. Now, it's just not worth it anymore.

[@stivenstivensson4542]

Maybe took out fun for SOME players but it definitely bringed balance

[@mcflyy22]

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yes because Kranvagn or Chieftan sitting hull down with absolutly no counter play is more balanced...

[@hebrewhammer4086]

@@stivenstivensson4542 it brought balance are you out of your mind lmfao? it was a buff to the already op cheiftain and kranvagn you absolute git.

[@UchihaSasuke1014]

@@stivenstivensson4542 Yeah, no

[@stivenstivensson4542]

@@mcflyy22 Who says there isn't counter play? Both of those tanks have weakspots on their turret.

[@subby280]

The AMX 50B at the beginning of the game was thinking, great I'm stuck next to this idiot shooting HE. We all think it when we get those teammates.

[@erdemkaya846]

WG is a liar, may be 70% of op tank players unicums only cried for HE nerf

[@cadet1ice]

The whales complained

[@distantthunder12ck55]

@@cadet1ice It's true actually, a small elite of CCs and the top players (unicums) with their 279es and Chieftains were the only people complaining about HE.

[@Rkglafjfs]

@@distantthunder12ck55 yea losers were complaining about their op hulldown tank getting rekt cause noobs would maul them away with HE. As if it's fair standing in the same broken spot without your hull exposed. They should have buffed spall liner instead of nerfing HE. You are driving your retarded meta turretted tank? Fine but if you don't use heavy spall liner you should get destroyed by HE

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

For me the only derp gun that’s still somewhat worth it is su-152, compared to kv2 it reloads much faster, everything else is just fucking dead thanks to this rework, I do have fun in wot here and there but I miss the days of just using a derp tank and relaxing

[@TheGrandexeno]

And let's talk about the fact that they didn't address all the howitzer guns. You have still immense reload and arty-level accuracy, while having zilch of the previous dmg potential.

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

@@TheGrandexeno yeah that’s the fucking thing, if they made derp’guns more accurate and reload faster as compensation it would have been fine, but no they stay like before and so turn into utter dogshit, fuck WG for this and fuck anyone who thought it was good

[@NL-Chaos]

The KV-2R works fine with he BUT for some reason only if you use it as a sniper td tank from the other side of the map and for some reason hitting more people and one shotting people the further away you are(if you hit but most of the time I do if I have enough distance).

[@mr_babadook_0181]

I Never understood the He changes. I am so sad we lost the HE that We loved. Edit: Ps I am the guy to only take 1~2 HEs to Secure a kill or 100% recap

[@ondrejhomola9988]

that s mean u are bad at the game.

[@megapet777]

Yep. If they would bring back the old HE and remove stun mechanic from game, the game would already be better. Then make lot of new maps and rework the current maps to stop the stupid corridor meta. Make other tanks relevant too again besides just heavies. Make weakspot on kran, chieftain and 279. Thats how the game would improve a lot.

[@mr_babadook_0181]

@@megapet777 Agreed

[@distantthunder12ck55]

@@ondrejhomola9988 No, it means people like you have a Chieftain and 279e and like to play totally op tanks hull down and then cry when a 60 TP shot you with HE to balance things out a bit.

[@g.d.graham2446]

Agreed

[@drattdarkstar]

Before the changes, I went with trying to use the 105 on the Easy 8. I honestly would love those numbers you got while doing this. I'm happy if I get over 4000 with damage, block, and assist combined. You did do a lot of damage. A lot of shells to do it but impressive. In the long run, multiple hits that papercuts to death or having half your piercing shells bounce, doesn't sound bad. As long as you know weak points and have enough rounds.

[@lolofblitz6468]

Yea sure 70% of the whole playerbase wanted this changes back in the day biggest lie ever...... Most of the playerbase complained about this HE changes but Wargaming like Wargaming never listen anyone

[@pirig-gal]

Never believed that number.

[@666aron]

Maybe 70% of the player base that mattered to WG? The sweatiest ones with hull-down premium and full gold load-out? After all those are the players that matter to WG.

[@timonsolus]

Maybe 70% of the playerbase complained about artillery, and wanted artillery nerfed, and WG decided to reinterpret that into nerfing HE shells for all tanks, not just SPG’s? That would be believable.

[@pirig-gal]

@@timonsolus I'd believe that 70% of the playerbase were stupid enough to think removing/nerfing artillery would solve the game's problems. Don't get me wrong, arty is more of an annoyance than it is a threat, but "fixing" SPGs is a drop in the bucket. Also, nerfing only the SPGs doesn't "guide" people to load more gold.

[@biomike01]

The 70% is just like the % of rounds they say that are gold bet ya the poll they did was just people that hated arty

[@reftouswarships6731]

i love how QB just casually does 3800 with subpar ammo and im happy to break 3k you are a machine man thanks for the vids

[@wildgooseman7047]

The HE nerf, which was to push even more gold spam, was the point I pretty much stopped playing WoT. The whole hull down meta is boring.

[@Godl1ked]

Of course. It's much more fun to play tier 10 and have 3 heavy tanks shoot you with HE, without penning, without aiming, without skill, and bring you down to 1/3 of your health, because you peaked your turret slightly. That is much more fun oh yes. Remember Maus ? How E4 spammed maus's turret, it splashed to engine deck and even set the maus on fire ? Yeah ? Fun ? I once had a game in my e75, on himmelsdorf, where I peaked in a hulldown position (it's what you're supposed to do in heavy tanks), just to receive 3 HE shells from enemy 60tp, Maus and E4, who were waiting for me. I was left with something like 300-500 hitpoints, before the game even started. So explain to me, where is the skill in that ? What are we playing ? Roulette ? Is this game a casino ? We just sit at a distance firing HE shells at each other, and who ever gets the better roll, wins ? Thats what it is ? Or how about we take this hulldown meta that we have now, introduce some weakpoints on tanks with time, and have us a good, skill-based game ?

[@ev19_13]

Geeze,man just expressed his opinion.

[@wildgooseman7047]

@@Godl1ked but it was better . The skill in that was working out where the enemy were and what they were likely to do. You had to think about what you did. There is no skill to the game now, just a boring meta with battles being won by the ones most prepared to pay the most to win. We are where we are because those that do pay to win cried that someone could damage them. We have a game with more and more one sided kerb stompings which is beyond boring.

[@Godl1ked]

​@@wildgooseman7047 You dont have arguments. They're all faulty, side arguments that you're trying to present as main story. It is very simple. You like bush mechanics in WoT ? Single bushing to spot, double bushing to shoot ? Yes ? How does it make you feel after 1.0, WoT has bushes that dont work. It's a known issue. A mechanic that you cannot trust anymore, that you actually SHOULD BE ABLE to trust every time. It is the same thing with armour. If you're a heavy and you're sacrificing most other mechanics for the single mechanic of armour and being able to sidescrape, little Timmy in his 60tp should not be able to autoclick you like a noob and doo 400-500 damage to your thickest part of armor, just because "it splashed" into some other, engine deck armor. What WG did was actually correct - if you can pen the plate - you get the HE damage that you deserve. They made it fair. The fact that you think "theres too much armour" in the game nowadays just shows me how incompetent you are in the actual game. I've shot AP only my whole life and had no problems. Of course, there's Chieftain's and Kranvagns coupolas, that are too small, and other small things that have to be fixed, but this current META is in it's infancy. It will get better with time. Currently there are a lot of streamers trying to 3mark tanks without gold ammo. They're not really having any trouble. And streamers are skilled, at least skilled in knowing weakspots. It's not really hard, just use your memory that has god given you. Dont sit there like a blobber or goo and expect the game to give you rewards for not putting any effort.

[@oliverwtell]

@@Godl1ked I fully agree to your opinion !!!3 tanks winning versus one, what an unrealistic scenario. The one OP tank that you, godl1ked, is playing should be able to beat 15 tanks alone without getting any damage. That would be a fun game. Even if all 15 enemy players have twice your skill, they should NOT be able to damage your tank !!! I always wonder if it easy to identify idiots on KZbin. It is 🙂

[@askkutay]

If they could bring the splash radius but make it really small to make up for RNG at least most of the time, it could be good again. Knowledge of weakspots that could be exploited somewhat reliably would be something that player would want to have in order to get the most juice from a battle.

[@warkus123]

Should do an experiment where for one stream you play with ONLY AP(or whatever standard round the tank has) to see if using literally 0 premium rounds works in 2022.

[@g.d.graham2446]

I second this idea

[@Johndoe-176]

70% of us wanted the HE changes. 0% of us wanted the changes to be on tanks. We the 70% just wanted arty to fuck way off. We never wanted it to turn into a sit look at each other meta. We wanted to have damage done to use by some one we could see not some off map source of bullshit. Arty always has. And still does, only subtract from the game. Give the tanks the normal HE back and leave the arty as they are.

[@splitskiir1390]

HE changes are very much calculated by WG, just like putting a hulldown Meta in game, but obviously the community is not interested in anything but thank you WG here is my wallet

[@yolomanolo2601]

@@vovochen HE was a stupid counter to another stupid thing in the game, now only stupid hulldown tanks remain. Is that really what you do enjoy? The right thing would have been to change both things in a major rework of the whole game.

[@juanjosedelpinorivas7099]

Yeah, pretty sure that '70% of the player base' was a massive lie WG produced, because no matter which battle I participated in, forum or meetings with other clan leaders, in all of them the vast majority of the players were AGAINST this change. Of course the nonsense with the 60TP stopped and many bots stopped using that type of ammo but it made the arty class useless unless there's a T92, which significantly affected the light tanks' role, making the battles and powerful hulldown monsters even more ridiculous.

[@ericandi]

I really thought they were going to blow it at the end.

[@dreadcool3329]

HE nerf killed some fun on other tanks but i remember the time using the e100 angling everyone fires HE deals decent damage then you resort to poke and hide then u get penned with prem round on the face.

[@nikosavr2601]

But thats the point mate i am a very good player in wot that used to play all these stupid tanks like e100 60tp.before the he nerf i would let the happy tomatos fire he at me for 300-400 dammage at best while i fire regular or gold with good knowledge of week points and good aim doing 750 dammage.I was winning those 1v1 and my games and the happy tomatos where happy to do some dammage with minimal effort it was a win win situation

[@dreadcool3329]

@@nikosavr2601 well id rather block with ny armor than get spammed by 2 or 3 tanks with He 300 - 400x3 is not good. Edit: that experience killed e100 for me at the time.

[@nikosavr2601]

@@dreadcool3329 Ok get spammed by gold then

[@dreadcool3329]

@@nikosavr2601 yeah atleast you can block it by angling he just ignores angled armor.

[@soldier22881]

Old HE shells were suppose to give lower tier tanks a chance to do damage against higher tier tanks in the 2 tier mm. the nerf made no sense when all that was needed was a rework so that high tier tanks dont get that adv against lower tiers. also old he helped punish hull downs camping. now he is only good against arty and no armored tanks, in that case might as well use ap since it does more damage and will over penetrate.

[@alancrawford8749]

This game used to have different tank classes and styles of play that could be made to work. Now the game is just heavy tank peek-n-pop.

[@Jallahz]

man that kran is like the steriotypical wot teammate. being stupid but it somehow works in the end

[@thethrongler3070]

I was literally about to download the game and start playing again after years of not playing, then the HE nerfs came down and reminded me that you never trust companies that run F2P games.

[@jalava7274]

Did you noticed that when youre team was leading or equal, damage was higher. When youre team was tank down you did less damage. See that variation on penetrating and doing damage every day on my games. Specially some games when they are wrecking your team totally, penetrating stops at end totally.

[@meaninglesscog]

This was great to watch live a few weeks ago.

[@GrandDungeonDad]

What a lot of people forget is that HE will go through tracjs niw and inside hulls even if angked in many cases are extremely light armor. I shoot the hull behind the front road wheel and have penetrated on a lot of tanks with 120 mm or better he

[@GrandDungeonDad]

Stuff like caiban, type 4/5 kv2 all of them can use this to pen Hae reliably even in current build if a target is hulldown but you can still hit their roof its usually 30 mm

[@Schurzi21]

This was the worst change to the game of all time. I want the old HE back

[@g.d.graham2446]

Amen to that

[@zoltanlund7869]

the sequel we’ve all been waiting for.

[@custommotor]

I for one never wanted the he rework. I just wanted artillery to be less punishing or completely gone. Yeah the type 4 and type five heavies were a pain, but at that time it would have been just easier to adjust some of their armor values to make them easier to damage themselves.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Exactly, just posted the same. They do this all the time. People wanted arty limited to 1 a game and the issue with high tier derps wa that you had to spam heat at their maus like armour while they simply rekt you with he. Just make the he derps themselves vulnrable to HE as well and arta limited to 1 a game and all would be perfect. Wg seems allergic to simple obvious solutions.

[@ciwix]

4:07 did that E100 fell and got ammoracked at the same time

[@jarretticeearthguard8614]

Nope the E100 was on the ground below. He didn't fell off the bridge. You can see a glimpse where he is at 3:59

[@ciwix]

@@jarretticeearthguard8614 okay lol

[@Zoyx]

The HE nerf sucked out the fun for me. I've probably only played 50 matches in the past 2 years.

[@RoackerRomanMandru]

HE nerf destroyed the meta, made many tanks irrelevant and bad and arty useless in general.

[@dday675]

No no no, arty is still a pain in the arse. It's still stupid.

[@jeffcleveland2268]

If you had brought a typical ammo load-out, this might have been your 10k game.

[@juanzulu1318]

Make HE great again!

[@NL-Chaos]

I miss playing my type 4 heavy and my oni with he derp gun being a corner holder versus more tanks then I could possibly kill but still no one dared to get around the corner.

[@strategicmind2652]

4:04 he has a point cause now the Chieftains don't have to worry about people clapping their OP tanks with the cheaper alternative that WILL do dmg regardless of their armor.

[@flipse1088]

average 45%er complaining about chief because he can't get it.

[@strategicmind2652]

@@flipse1088 except I'm a 52%er who doesn't play CW cause it's toxic af.

[@flipse1088]

@@strategicmind2652 complaining cos you can't get it.

[@Immortal_BP]

it sucks when u load HE and cant even pen the rear of tanks

[@flipse1088]

that does not have anything to do with the HE changes lol. that's just your HE having low pen or getting an unlucky angle. The HE changes only effected the non-penetrating hits

[@corathus]

The highlight of HE nerf was being in my KV-2 and at point blank range bouncing the side of a T20 American medium.

[@stivenstivensson4542]

It's a rework. Get over it.

[@YoRHaAttackerNo2]

@@stivenstivensson4542 A rework that nerfed HE. What's your point?

[@corathus]

@@stivenstivensson4542 i did get over it. KV-2 152mm AP. :)

[@thiccjager2436]

@@corathus But how times you bounce off a tank with it's AP round?

[@corathus]

@@thiccjager2436 not as much as you'd think. Pick and choose your targets, I do still keep some HE for tier VIII engagements but even then, put yourself in a support role on the second line as you're not a breakthrough heavy. And hit the weak points. Lower plate shot on a aggressive Renegade will make it think twice.

[@jasper5878]

He charge is one of the prime reasons I stopped playing again. It is a BS change as is all the inclusion of tanks with no weakpoints

[@alanocarlossur9440]

You've said in several videos that you don't have to worry about artillery, but I still see artillery in almost every match. And they are doing damage and getting kills. I do play mostly at Tier 8, so that may be the reason. But if I drop down to Tier 5 almost every match has three rapid fire arty per side that make playing slow heavies very painful, especially on any open map.

[@williamdozier5190]

@@Jules-kp7rw Dont blame arty for your bad game play

[@williamdozier5190]

@@Jules-kp7rw are your little feelings hurt cupcake?Dont blame arty for piss poor game play,everyone has to deal with it ,it isn’t directed strictly at you

[@sherbicko872]

I got my sconq(my first t10) after the he changes. One of the reasons why I got it was bc of the HESH. It usually deals 22 dmg to any tank nowadays

[@Y_KTM]

i stand by my point that HE rounds on Arty had to be nerfed. i rather deal with chieftains and 279e than 3 arty in every game raining on me. for me they can give the old HE back to all tanks. i dont care at all. but no player should be able to do 500-1000 damage to me in 1 or 2 shots by just clicking on the map without any threat. As a mainly medium tank player, i can tell you arty very much didnt only focus the heavy tanks.

[@williamdozier5190]

the fix was to lower the number of SPGs per match, not nerfing HE and ruining a whole line of tanks , that people took the time to research and grind

[@Y_KTM]

@@williamdozier5190 SPG is a unfair and wrong answer to a question that wargaming put into the game themselfs. heavy hulldown tanks with gun depression and speed and accurate guns... and they can best be harrassed by arty that is true. but if you drive a normal none op medium for example you get punished even harder if the arty focuses you. so the solution to op hulldown heavy tanks is not having a unfair mapclicking camper class that can hurl 500 to 1000dmg shells over the whole map. it is to bring back weakspots on tanks and give the tanks their HE pen back. bec you are the only constant in your game as mr qb likes to say and so you as a tanker should be equiped to deal with this situation if you decide to pack some HE some gold and some AP shells. bec you can never be certain that your arty is not sleeping or drowning or shooting at the EBR or whatever. whilst you get pummeled trying to defend the important location. to your argument of having grinded and researched a techtree and now beeing nerfed, i dont care. a chieftain or 279 player had to invest hundrets of hours in his tank, does it derserve to stay op bec of this? i had grinded my WT auf E100, do i deserve to keep it?

[@williamdozier5190]

@@Y_KTM sure you do and I can keep my SPGs without WG destroying the line.1 SPG is not too many per match ,that was all that was needed not nerfing the HE rounds

[@venom286__worldoftanks3]

HE changes were a big mistake , They did not need to nerf it so hard .

[@neokim5492]

They should reduce the splash damage, but they should not have decreased the chance to cause a critical damage.

[@coffeeonmyfoot86]

QB: dont do it its a bad idea also QB: does it and its fuck*ng lit

[@RuzzNP]

I just got the Leopard PTA gun and I realized it has 105mm of HE. I put it to great use, 590-600 damage rolls every 8s on scouts and batchats is the funniest thing.

[@johnrobb5155]

I wander what the 3 critical hits were on the T95? One less obvious silver lining for HE is the crew/module damage.

[@arewebeinghoodwinked1454]

now what WG has to have is a tier ten battle where no matter what tank you use it can only go into the battle with HE. then the players will see if the HE buffs was worth the end results

[@Prod.ByMoonlight]

Wait... HE works? Since when after the changes?

[@pirig-gal]

Treat HE as if it was actually APHE. If it pens at point of contact - you're happy. British and German post war tanks, and Italian Heavies have enough pen to be usable in most situations. Almost everybody else - only for lights, soft TDs and SPGs.

[@Prod.ByMoonlight]

@@pirig-gal Thanks, ill try to use it like you explained when i get home from my vacation:), have a good day sir

[@pirig-gal]

@@Prod.ByMoonlight I'm playing the 07 RH often and it's 90mm HE can pen the sides of many heavy tanks. It's just that if you hit a hard plate you deal like 30dmg.

[@animalyze7120]

It was top clans that got HE nerfed, only because HE was the counter to their Cheater Chieftain tanks and made quick work of them, especially when they tried pub clubbing. Of course WG would listen to the groups who give them the least amount of profit which made the nerf sting even more for paying customers.

[@mkzhero]

Thought the unicums paid more actually..? Which is why they listened and got over half the game to quit and shrink their payer base even more lol, and now they're trying to scrape by via selling even more op shit like BZ, battle pass, wot+...

[@azteamr0per]

Another thing that sucks is they didnt change missions for say arty (if you are trying to grind your missions for reward tanks) so now those are twice as hard.

[@juanzulu1318]

Why?

[@azteamr0per]

@@juanzulu1318 A lot of the missions have to do with damage, most arties shoot HE so with significant reduction in damage makes the missions harder

[@juanzulu1318]

@@azteamr0per ok I see. Well, I wouldnt call the damage reduction as dramatic. In my opinion the arty changes havent changed much.

[@Undesired_Hero]

@quickybaby. Should i use server reticle or client side?^

[@stormwarrior007]

Can you do the same but with Sconq, conq, tortoise, badger? They use hesh and have higher pen So Im curious how that would turn out

[@HotchCrim]

QB! i got a challenge for you and its unique (probably) play in the LOWEST resolution in wot in your best tank

[@steinerding3978]

About a month ago, I played the tier 8 British heavy stock, two HE shells caused fire on a Obj. 705 at line 8 in Himmelsdorf, laughed out loud🤣

[@sniper6612]

I'm pretty sure It was your wife that first started this in a WG convention, because of Chat.

[@mohdamirul5338]

I once bring full HE shells in Kpz 07 rh...that so fun

[@Groaznic]

Man your effing team was exactly the kind of team Claus would have some choice words for XD

[@Wojtekpl2]

HE nerf was one of the stupidest thing WG did. I hope they restore previous mechanic of HE.

[@danieln2448]

They were op like arty still is

[@aleki_2.4t61]

I’m not sure if they ever will they did that to satisfy the hull down gods and leave the guys that just wanna have fun with the kv2 or vk28.01-105 or o-I in the dust unless the whole player base pushes them to do so

[@stivenstivensson4542]

HE rework is one of the best things WG did in a while.

[@hpbaconsandwich856]

Na the HE changes were one of the best things WG has done so far.

[@jarretticeearthguard8614]

@@danieln2448 Arty is not op, just annoying with the stun.

[@logannelson2259]

what are all of your like graphic and crosshair settings ?

[@andycraft7942]

I don't know how many times I have shot a tank in my kv-2 and done no damage. Even tier 4 tanks sometimes can absorb your shells. This change was one of the worst changes wargaming has ever made!!

[@andycraft7942]

@@Jules-kp7rw I think I hit its gun mantle

[@hoodlum1107]

I hit an amx-elc in the gun mantlet from point blank with my kv-2 for zero damage. I use the mod which shows where you or your enemies were hit. Even if that shell didn't explode it would make powder of the mantlet. Dumbest implementation of a change ever.

[@andycraft7942]

@@hoodlum1107 True

[@andycraft7942]

@@hoodlum1107 It's funny that a gun mantle that is only slightly bigger than the shell you are shooting can stop shell with no damage done to the tank!🤣

[@thiccjager2436]

The biggest problems with Wot nowadays were tanks with insane armour profile. Tanks with little to no frontal weakspots to shoot at, forcing players to shoot HE because their premium round doesn't work. Now with the HE rework, it's more likely that WG will sell more premium tanks with no frontal weakspots. The tornvagn was just the beginning, the worse is yet to come....

[@dougstephen6180]

except that even with the nerf I love to dump he rounds into a torn.....the paper thin armor on the top is so gratifying with HE lol

[@SakuraSencha]

Well, last time before HE nerf incoming I used to get some " small damage " when i feel like, oh I can't pen this dude.. But, when the HE nerf coming. I was used to finishing them off.. Like above 100hp or somethin'. Somehow, it may works, sometimes not.. Depends on how much ur pen and what tank I want to finish.. Because thaaatttt, I also load more GOLD than before..

[@SunMan42]

Great information.

[@weijason1373]

Full HE chief should make some fun content

[@elusive420]

I find it hilarious how this Muppet literally says one thing, then changes it around just to say the first thing again.

[@tangalooma7257]

WG didn’t need to nerf HE for everyone. Arty just needed capping to one per battle. Bring back Type 5 HT with its blunderbuss guns and shells, it’ll counter the current HT hull down meta. And reinstate T49 and other specialist tank guns. Job jobbed.

[@neokorps4580]

That suspense!!!

[@Dibbdroid]

HE should be called AP-LITE

[@juanzulu1318]

True. Often overlooked point. HE without a burst radius which can fly through objects without exploding is no HE shell!

[@Dibbdroid]

@@juanzulu1318 it possibly needed a nerf on some tanks, like the 60tp but to completely remove the explosive mechanic... ruined it.

[@juanzulu1318]

@@Dibbdroid exactly.

[@JCG0001]

I usually carry 2 HE on most tanks for knocking down trees remotely, and only for that reason.

[@NetherPrime]

Honestly, no artillery isn't the biggest issue in WoT, even if they reverted HE changes you'd still have the same issues only more oneshots to paper/light armoured tanks.

[@DannyoRaiden]

You do more module damage from HE?

[@wussel1990]

Funny to see that you are doing with the Stupid HE more damage than the average WoT Player in random queue :D I played lately very much artillery to get the Conquerer Gun Carriage (the last Arty i hadnt on T10) and its really important not to use only the standard HE with Stund. If you want to do Damage you have to use on Heavys the AP, and the Meds the Dmg HE! The AP Shell hits "hard" but it can penetrate a Kranvagends Front Turret! So the Intuiton Perk is really necessary for all Loaders on the Arty!

[@Minto107]

Nerfing HE took a lot of skill out of the game.

[@Ouwak]

The reason HE got nerf so players use ap or premium rounds in battle.

[@matthewfox1561]

Try Emil 1 with HE only?

[@baragon01]

A Great Display of why Arties are about to die out !

[@llynellyn]

The big problem with the HE nerf was they never rebalanced the HE tanks, so now they do terrible damage but still have terrible aim/reload times and awful accuracy. Even worse they ruined HESH because they nerfed the damage but never gave it the ability to stun/injure crew members to balance it.

[@zardock420]

The fine art of arty and why you should never give up 7k dmg 5 kills with a dance of death at the end. T1wax m53/m55 Epic 7k dmg game on Wot replays.

[@aleki_2.4t61]

there was no point in the HE "rework" they pretty much wanted to nerf it to the ground for players that like to use their bank account to win to use gold rounds/prem tanks to win and F2P's to screw off. HE "rework" in a nutshell

[@TheGhostParty27]

i have a f2p account with 21 tier 10s. I spam gold at high tiers and i still manage to have 3m credits so your point is wrong and HE changes were good

[@jagerdergroe8604]

@@TheGhostParty27 shill more.

[@aynersolderingworks7009]

@@TheGhostParty27 0,0001 ruble has been deposited into your account

[@stivenstivensson4542]

@@TheGhostParty27 agree, only bad players want old HE to feel somewhat useful in the game because their aim is bad

[@Flinsenberger101]

Using a healthy amount of HE in my German lights with the top-HE. Would never go HE only, though, because against well armored vehicles HE is so much worse than before.

[@omurkalbur2651]

WG changing the things that don't need to change, while somethings that need to change stays the same for years. Bravo WG bravo!

[@Tirantekk]

I miss my full HE in the 60tp

[@mainmanmagellan3803]

quicky u literally put this tank in the best situation for HE. u cant say this is the result of any other map lol. this is like best in slot situation.

[@thesandtiger]

i sure a hell did not want this

[@georges3978]

Did this in my WZ-111-5A a couple months ago by accident by forgetting to resupply and did 5k dmg lmao

[@fastboi2417]

Finally QB 277 Anniversary ❤

[@onlyskillss9754]

Also I ain’t watched the whole vid yet but I’m betting it’s a bond chief.

[@avisal3645]

I use HE to execute low hp 9es in clan wars, 140mm HE pen chieftain should help.

[@matthew78917]

In my Progetto 65, I love taking 8 HESH rounds with 105mm pen for some fun clips on lightly armored vehicles at the beginning. Love getting the angry messages in chat after battle because I shoved 4 hesh rounds into them. Because nobody really does that. It’s so fun playing tanks with high pen HE

[@MakMak02]

That's the dumbest thing to do ever

[@social3ngin33rin]

Zero gold fired....still lost credits with a premium account ON A WIN!!!!

[@Oberkaptain]

It still works for the T110E4

[@hristiqng]

Bet the chieftain wrote him a love letter