"He's An Absolute Coward!" - Vaush Says Goodbye To Destiny FOREVER

[@destiny]

Honestly, cutting ties with Destiny and not wanting to talk or debate is fine but this whole turn of events was super weird and Vaush's vids feels like a hit-piece with criticism couched in so much blatant mischaracterizations and revisionism. Destiny literally can't respond to the absolute coward comment or call out mischaracterizations like the Noah debate 'walkback' or else he's dramabaiting or spiteful? Despite the content drought due to league there were literally no videos on the channel or 2nd channel about the Ctrl+V and absolute coward comment or debate challenge to get clicks etc. And then Vaush decides to ban all mentions of Destiny, going out with a pretty bad faith rant he wanted his fan channels to make and imploring content creators to also ditch Destiny. Vaush vented sus sus sus Amongus

[@richtofen4888]

Amongus

[@okwantsomebread6661]

VAUSH DID WHAT?!?

[@harleygarrett8063]

Amogus

[@justmauldie]

feel like there was a missed opportunity with ctrl + Vaush there

[@the-renegade]

I saw this live! 😃

[@shivamdas1801]

One month later, destiny debates vaush on why they should make out

[@mairan1]

Imagine the super chats for that.

[@fabiobalassia]

Let's say, hypothetically, we're stranded on coconut island

[@shivamdas1801]

@@fabiobalassia 😳👉👈🥥🌴💋🥵🥵👋

[@astrataway7077]

3 rounds of rock paper scissors for big spoon!

[@tking2199]

@@fabiobalassia and your lips are very dry, like your content, but I just finished drinking coconut water and to save as much water as possible to drink, which will support the best way possible to ensure that we survive, I contact my wet lips with yours and nourish you.

[@kye4216]

“Iv intellectually outpaced you” is the embodiment of why the debate culture on KZbin is garbage

[@asherscott3151]

One thing I can say about Destiny is that he knows his limitations. Dude knows he's a good debater, but doesn't claim to be literally a genius. Vaush literally thinks he's the best shit since sliced bread and doesn't even know how to pronounce half of the words he uses lol

[@fairshareofdrownedsouls]

"I've intellectually outpaced you" is the left wing version of "halls of conservative intelligentia". Same level of cringe.

[@nickgennady]

Yha I can’t really take Vaush’s side since his Ego is way to big. He says stuff all the time without citing sources or even explaining himself but than says “I am right”. I am not familiar enough with Destiny to say anything about him.

[@ira233]

Yea, his ego is so inflated he wont debate him again but will say he is smarter then him on his stream lol

[@YvngHomieRyan]

@@fairshareofdrownedsouls LMAO

[@BlackSalamander439]

The reason why there are so many comments made by people who didn’t watch the full video is because they have outpaced Destiny intellectually

[@Kapita_Lismus]

Don't remind me of Spore ;_;

[@GummBo3]

Hilarious Example: “Lmao when Destiny saying vaush copies his arguments is literally trolling”

[@theCHEATER141]

They watched it in 50x speed

[@richardhands904]

Have* how does it feel to be intellectually outpaced.

[@helios566]

Well look they're just trying to get easy political points after Destiny is the Israel of online politics.

[@benestabrooks1467]

These two have single-handedly made Biden’s infrastructure bill harder to pass because this bridge is going to be a huge pain in the ass to rebuild.

[@randombubby1]

@Don Shepard you’re everywhere bro. Go offline and touch grass bud.

[@kiritimatiswan1986]

@@randombubby1 haha “touch grass” if you notice if you’re as many places as him bro, take your own advice 😂😂

[@SuperLotus]

Yeah, but on the other hand think of how many jobs it will create to rebuild 🤔

[@randombubby1]

@@kiritimatiswan1986 yeah I’ve seen him in comments before, that must mean I’m as terminally online as him 😂😂😂 nice thinking there bud

[@Khalolz]

Underrated comment

[@bobit2000]

Vaush saying he's not going to talk about destiny anymore is like McDonalds saying they're not going to make beef burgers anymore.

[@donalddraper4728]

I love Vaush but damn this is on point.

[@donalddraper4728]

@PrimarySF I watch Vaush regularly and let me tell you he talks about Destiny a lot. Destiny and Vaush would resolve so many of their issues with a nice hate fuck.

[@accountnotfound4209]

@PrimarySF "destiny channels shits on left" ya sure

[@Zeus.2459]

@PrimarySF i mean it seems like he just tries to shit on everyone that has a take he disagrees with, and he's made many attempts to debate with the right too, but there's just not that many rightoids willing to debate "destiny's channel revolves around shitting on the left" feels like a lie by omission.

[@adrycough]

mcdonalds' beef burgers suck anyways

[@trehairston1840]

I wonder when the editor will outpace destiny intellectually

[@arturzinurov4781]

Because he already di... damn did I just got outpaced intellectually?

[@trehairston1840]

@@arturzinurov4781 got? I have outpaced you now

[@gentlemanchogath6755]

outapaced; outclassed; outversal; hooked; backstabed and throttled.

[@johnalden8469]

The sexual tension between these two is so palpable. It's like a Debate Bro soap opera.

[@Zenbon111]

if youre gay just say it.

[@BenYork-UBY]

What's this ship name? Destaush? or Vaushtiny?

[@e.d.5766]

"I implore you to look at him the way I do."

[@griefweaver8432]

Daushtiny is definitely one sided

[@marker52]

@@BenYork-UBY I'm pretty sure Vaushtiny is the official name for it.

[@JjackVideo]

To the editor: My dude, I really appreciate you put all the clips into the video, so everyone not familiar with the insane online lore of these people can follow on. But please for the love of everything that was once holy: Learn to normalize the audio from the different clips. Thank you in advance!

[@austinbeck2465]

Absolutely this ^^^^

[@meteorwalkergg]

Bottom Text Tens of Thousands of People Banned

[@StuartAtkinson4467]

My props are for including the clips even though they don't "side" with Destiny and show the tinge of uncharitability and that even the points Destiny countered with were usually weak. I'm hoping Destiny watches this for a sort of "meta" level rather than relying on memory or his increasingly insular "woo economics and wealthy people good minorities good when they're not too rowdy" community.

[@sethdubridge7452]

The only thing I’ve learned from this is that they both have universe-sized egos.

[@MrDick-kz8qc]

That's pretty big

[@Pragabond]

Yeah they both have a bit of an ego problem. Although with Vaush its a bit hard to tell how much of it is him coming across as an egotistical dick because of how he speaks what with the autism and how much of it is legit ego. Destiny however is every bit as egotistical as he seems best I can tell. I'm relatively new to both so the jury is STILL out on both but its not looking good for Destiny even if Vaush is a lil shitheel sometimes too. I might hate some of his rhetoric and probably even morals on what's acceptable to get your groups wishes but he has some good ideas and talking points without a doubt.

[@Pragabond]

@@Wereskeleton I mean I don't really want to take it that far at all. That seems unnecessary. Light narcissism maybe but no not psychopathy. I've known that and this doesn't strike me as close to that at least from a distance

[@jascu4251]

@@Pragabond I don't think its that outlandish. We stigmatise psychopathy and think of it in its most cartoonish and outlandish form, but psychopathy is much more common in society than we think and the vast majority of people with psychopathic tendencies aren't murdering people. Lotsa interesting research on this regarding its prevalence in sports teams, boardrooms etc. Where particular environments bring out the best in people with these tendencies as where it can be channeled (with the downside, particularly in sports people post-retirement, is the loss of the environment). Ie particular behaviors we wouldn't accept in regular society are praised in one particular arena. So I think the comment here regarding psychopathy may have merit

[@Pragabond]

@@jascu4251 It might have merit and I've done hours and hours and hours of research into psychopathy sociopathy and narcissism and while I think there could be a case for tendencies of any of the above sure even then I still want to not jump to conclusions. People already love to overdiagnose strangers on the internet as is. Merit or not I dont want to push or encourage that trend further essentially.

[@harryb12993]

“Hes just taking the wrong point of view on israel and palastine!” “Debate him on israel and palastine? No no, we pretty much agree on that.” “Outpaced”

[@harryb12993]

@@cozytown5540 hey bro, I hope destiny notices.

[@AT-AT26]

The only difference between the two takes is that Destiny says it’s a more complicated issue and Vaush says an apartheid state has a simple solution. That’s about it No one wants to see a 2 hour debate about this and then they scream at each other, Destiny says something dumb and then the debate is over. That’s the most boring shit ever

[@DivkvanDyke6913]

@@AT-AT26 Vaush is usually the one making the dumbest points. He literally tried to argue that water was not always H2O.

[@AT-AT26]

@@DivkvanDyke6913 Destiny usually criticises Vaush's behaviour by saying that it allows him to make a fake criticism of Destiny by mischaracterizing his arguments, say how bad he is because of it and then continue to mention it again in the future to discredit him. You are doing exactly that here.

[@DivkvanDyke6913]

@@AT-AT26 should I care? I never made an argument as stupid as him. He’s so biased he’s lost the ability to think independently from what appeals to his base.

[@zdoooon]

"I think I've outpaced him intellectually" alert sound incoming

[@dukedematteo1995]

@@bobpope3656 that his fans are smarter

[@aX0n777]

I'm a vaush fan but that line is hilarious

[@toptextbottomtext3062]

rent free

[@iammrawesomesauce]

@@bobpope3656 pretty sure destiny calls nearly all of his chatters a dipshit at least once per stream lmfao, you must've never actually watched anything from him

[@biscotti4017]

Destiny is doubling down on crazy takes cause he has the intellectual capacity to defend them tbh

[@IM_GOING_TOO_HAM]

Everyone: You're contrarion Destiny: On the contrary

[@helios566]

Watched this live and damn the editor needs a raise. The live reaction was lacking with Destiny not responding to several points that he had no excuse for but the editor is carrying this vid pay that person more.

[@ScuzzyForPrez]

I like how Mike literally turned into the Joker, with the laugh and everything...

[@ScuzzyForPrez]

@@Zgembo121 he's beta joker

[@lucyasthma6605]

This happened to my friend Mike.

[@ScuzzyForPrez]

@@lucyasthma6605 RIP in peace to your friend Mike

[@lucasparham5068]

I mean he was always a clown

[@Tocinos]

joker would probably have a better chance with badbunny

[@172frankie]

That “I’ve outpaced him intellectually” line from Vaush sounds like a super villian.

[@harrisonw6065]

This whole thing makes me cringe too much, these two just need to either stfu about each other or discuss it with each other like adults

[@Lynn-iw2ds]

@@harrisonw6065 u mean vaush needs to stop being a baby and debate/talk with destiny instead of dodging him so much

[@harrisonw6065]

@@Lynn-iw2ds true, either that or they just need to call it quits completely because I'd rather listen to actual politics and takes on world events rather than two eboys cry about each other

[@Leschavin]

@@Lynn-iw2ds I mean, they have at least 5 debates up on youtube, including one live in person. I dunno if that's "dodging" And there really isn't an equal annount of crying going on here either. Vaush will occasionally go on a ten or fifteen minute rant about Destiny only after his chat pesters him about a particular Destiny take, and usually he doesn't even make it a video out of it. Destiny will then spend an hour or more giddily reacting to the ten minute rant and make a video out of it almost every time, complete with mean spirited Twitter snipes. Honestly I wish they'd hash it out too, I'd love to see more debates/conversations between them. But from what I've seen anyone who thinks there's anything near an equivalency here is lying to themselves.

[@markrutte5637]

destiny can't keep up with his afterimages

[@toptextbottomtext3062]

V.GG: We want nothing to do with Destiny and his community anymore it's become a personality cult where all critics get banned and Destiny is increasingly going downhill. D.GG: Our dads are breaking up again reeeeeeeeee.

[@heman4008]

based

[@XQzmeeMusic]

I'm sorry d.gg is assmad as wel about the takes of vaush about destiny. Just scroll this comment section. Idk wether or not v.gg does this I need more info.

[@friendlypup5650]

Can’t wait for the galactic final debate. Destiny Vs Vaush: The Reckoning

[@TheRiviaWitcher]

Where Destiny will get Vaush to finally admit it is morally neutral to kill landlords beacuse they didnt submit to the mob.

[@masondyfjxuw]

@@TheRiviaWitcher the ultimate crossover

[@lololol924]

We have now hit the Majin Vaush arc of the anime rivalry.

[@austyn81007]

if no one dies of a brain aneurism in that debate i will be sorely disappointed 😂

[@GreyGrim]

vaush copy pasting destiny's takes, what will they debate?

[@enmysigmaquadrat9464]

Vaush: Has the same take as Destiny Destiny: PepeLaugh Vaush: Has a different take than Destiny Destiny: PepeLaugh

[@a.foster199]

He went straight from the “he’s stealing my shit” to a point they disagree on lol

[@SnakeWasRight]

Did Vaush ACTUALLY just pronounce it coward-ICE? I hate him more than I ever have.

[@adamyooz]

Vaush is blowing this way out of proportion but Destiny lying about shit to troll on twitter is cringe.

[@mint2573]

We do a little trolling

[@adamyooz]

@@mint2573 Clearly more than a little bit. Destiny’s said it himself, misinformation is toxic.

[@adamyooz]

@Don Shepard Yeah it’s not really acceptable. Especially the accusation he threw at the Serfs. Even if I know he’s trolling he has a massive fucking audience and many of them will just believe it and people that just come across it may believe it too. It’s super shitty. Vaush grossly mischaracterized a lot of shit in his rant but that doesn’t change the fact destiny lies about people publicly bcuz “he’s just trolling lol.” And what is this shit about trying to hack Vaush’s site? Seems like Destiny dodges it every time it comes up.

[@VMohdude-]

@@adamyooz it’s weird cause destiny doesn’t actually react to most of Vaush’s claims and critics about him.

[@Healcraft]

@@adamyooz deliberate or not? To operate in society is to misinform constantly, nobody knows everything, how can you ever say anything?

[@danaolsongaming]

The end of an era. The Destiny/Vaush arc has come to it's conclusion. I can't wait to see what the writers have in store for next season.

[@DripEmpError]

Find out 5 years later

[@Tchado1000]

No this isnt the end , this shit will only end with both of them in an insane debate that breaks the internet. While "Ultimate battle" from dragon ball super plays in the background

[@wisetrollman]

I don’t think it’s the end honestly. Vaush is just super salty atm cause Destiny calls him on his sophistry.

[@perception7480]

they will gonna recycle the same plotline again

[@irradiatedbadger]

Don't they do this off and on friendship all the time?

[@justinlacek1481]

The beef between Destiny and Vaush honestly kinda feels like 2 rappers making diss tracks and spittin bars about each other. Instead of debating, they should just rap battle each other

[@garywebb2432]

narutooooo sasukeeee

[@iphicrates123]

@Don Shepard your right. Destiny should really stop defending vaush the antisocial kid.

[@jpjp9527]

It's more like Destiny is Eminem and Vaush is Stan.

[@sadbread2446]

I'd watch that tbh

[@DDogg43777]

Ehh, I don't think Vaush disassociating from Destiny is some timid move. They genuinely have terrible conversations that are just heated and bad-faith. It's weird watching both of them converse with each other while I lose brain cells. Even in group panels, they somehow tunnel in on each other and throw off the whole discussion. They can't get past any of their personal beef to discuss anything, so just stop discussing at all.

[@alexeonbel4304]

Yeah like even though Vaush is kind of talking out his ass in these clips, Destiny is quite toxic toward Vaush when they debate and vice versa. It just seems unproductive to continue doing at a certain point.

[@JohnCenaFan6298]

Cope

[@moneybuas4942]

what was destiny's isreal palastine take? Can someone link me to it? thanks

[@Morhpocelionate]

Yeah, Vaush is always bad faith in conversations with Destiny

[@TheRedHaze3]

I mean, Vaush is bad faith with pretty much anyone he disagrees with. It's like second nature to him.

[@bobmiller4573]

Vaush is not even close to as smart as he thinks he is

[@DillHeroPlayzGames]

He too far gone to understand that

[@asherscott3151]

@@DillHeroPlayzGames low-key reminds me of Ben Shapiro in a way. He's a dumb guy's idea of a smart guy

[@swankyfur1850]

"I'VE OUTPACED HIM INTELLECTUALLY"

[@Johnnybsknees]

Vaush talks like he believes he has intellectually outpaced literally everyone

[@ThySheepie]

@@Johnnybsknees who hasn’t he though?? Can you tell me?

[@Johnnybsknees]

@@ThySheepie are you asking me whether or not any individual is more intelligent or intellectually sound than Vaush? That seems like a bizarre and useless question. I just don't think it's healthy for discourse to hold oneself as intellectually superior.

[@the500mphtortoise]

@@ThySheepie Damn what a massive simp position. "Umm if my fav e-celeb hasnt outpaced everyone intellectually name someone who he has". Dude, i think your parasocial relationship with vaush is getting out of hand.

[@jiggy5535]

@@ThySheepie So cringe but the obvious answer would be Destiny since he trashed Vaush in their last debate over Rittenhouse.

[@Kan-ova]

people who say i've intellectually outpaced you, are the kind of people who identify with the joker unironically.

[@ohno8569]

Or.... it's just a child who has out grown the parent.

[@Kan-ova]

@@ohno8569 yeah a child who wont argue about the issue with the parent and runs away from them rather than facing them, very inteligent child.

[@christiansianipar9559]

@big succ yes

[@Shannxy]

@@ohno8569 yeah a child entering his rebellious phase, sadly thinking he now knows better than his parents

[@ohno8569]

@@Kan-ova won't argue the issue.... vaush has tried...and has confronted destiny on multiple occasions... at least from my perspective. If I'm incorrect... it's my memory. Not an act of dishonesty. I'm not sure that you could say the same.

[@kazua3000]

Vaush + Destiny bad romance is a love story of the ages. I usually don't ship people, but fucking hell the tension that has been building up is reaching its peak. This is the physical embodiment of edging given manifest into two youtubers. Netflix can make one hell of a original on this alone, and calling it now in about a month we gonna see more art from the fans.

[@hushwonder2070]

"I think I've outpaced him intellectually" First-time Vaush has outpaced anyone

[@pommiebears]

Oh…Vaush thinks he’s the most amazing creature on gods green earth. He thinks he’s handsome, intelligent, and attractive in every aspect of his person. Unfortunately for Vaush, we all have eyes and ears, and are well aware that he’s got more chance of angels flying out of his arse, than outpacing Destiny. Lol.

[@rocketsniper8726]

Destiny unironically pulling the "if I don't lie about people on twitter someone else will."

[@staindk]

This is my one big sticking point too. Destiny should rather just stay off twitter entirely if he can't stay serious out there. I think I understand why he ends up just spewing BS (frustration etc) but I hope he realises that his troll tweets are impacting all his other work in a negative way.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

That's why we shouldn't bully Destiny. He's being mortally neutral.

[@hermithouse]

Except this ties into Vaush’s point and the last interaction they had about some philosophy trans person. Destiny kept saying anyone who lies or misleads online is subhuman garbage and extremely morally reprehensible. He claims to hate lying and people who spread misinformation (and seemingly defining anything he disagrees with, or small mistakes, as being deliberate and intentional lies)...but then thinks it’s funny when he gets called out for the exact same thing? And makes endless excuses as to why it’s ok when he does it and he’s not at all acting in bad faith ever. Not when he does the lying, or when he desperately rationalizes it after the fact when getting called out. It’s everyone else acting in bad faith.

[@michaelvanderwal7390]

@@hermithouse The guy is trying to be funny and most people don't get his humor. It's not his fault, it's theirs. I was watching his interview with Codemiko, and half of her community thought the guy was genuinely being an asshole, while the other half was trying to explain to those idiots that he was doing a bit. The guy shouldn't have to stop being funny on social media just because there are idiots out there who don't get the joke.

[@PrestoPuma]

@@michaelvanderwal7390 you sound like a conservative defending john tron

[@auzzgames]

Whatever you think of Vaush, it's undeniable that Destiny's been obsessively reactionary against lefties lately. Like, his entire contribution to the Israel-Palestine discourse on Twitter has essentially been saying whatever triggers the lefties (to the point of calling charity for the PCRF "funding terrorism"). It started as healthy competition to Breadtube's bad ideas, but now it's stale and mega cringe. I don't blame Vaush for wanting to cut ties because it really seems Destiny's in it for the bloodsports/content, which doesn't provide anything of value. Saying he's just "scared of debate" is unironically the debate bro stereotype.

[@davemanning4005]

i think destiny has become less idealistic and has concentrated more on the legitimacy of an argument. even though hasan seems to be a good guy - a lot of his thinking is super flawed and unrealistic and he doesnt substantiate his arguments. i like to think that destiny is just trying to strengthen the left by giving them better arguments to have and trying to bring the left to a more reasonable moderate, position.

[@czarsalesman4883]

First of all big fan etc.. etc.. but I'm sorry, does Destiny think he invented the mental health graph demonstration? As someone who has been in therapy for many years and moved locations so moved mental health providers, literally every single one uses this. Every single person who deals with mental health issues has seen such visual explanation. Destiny thinking people steal his extremely generic takes is too much today lol

[@GummBo3]

It’s used clinically to explain bipolar disorders but not depression. Vaush also commented on it a couple of days after Destiny, and i was just 1 example of vaush copying

[@czarsalesman4883]

@@GummBo3 I mean you're just straight up wrong. Why comment about something you have no knowledge of? I have been in clinical treatment yes it is used to explain depression, because its used to literally explain how our minds work period with happiness and sadness. You mean his generic takes? This is just another example of Destiny getting something in his mind and hyperfocusing on it and seeing it everywhere regardless of if its there or not. He does it all the time, same issue with his combativeness towards anyone too far left for him.

[@sadbread2446]

@@czarsalesman4883 There's also him thinking that "giving someone an out" was a "copied take". Giving someone an out in a sexual situation is a pretty fucking common thought process so the fact that he thought that *had* to be copied was pretty absurd to me as well.

[@resshantanmorgan7107]

Vaush 100% took it from Destiny and not other people so he is copying Destiny's takes still

[@fgersacig5573]

@@czarsalesman4883 Are you serious? What about the five other examples that Destiny brought up of Vaush copying him?

[@Nikifuj908]

My favorite Vaush tactic is when he asks chat, "This happened, didn't it?" and pretends he has a poor memory so he can tell the story however he wants.

[@JMyrk]

Fun fact, I've been permaban from vaush's stream for saying that what happens in palestine is nowhere near an actual genocide.

[@XQzmeeMusic]

Genocide has a broader definition than you might think. Look up UN definition of genocide. Vaush argues from that definition You got permabanned BC saying it's not a genocide invalidates Palestine's undeserved suffering, reverting it as a war or conflict. Saying it's not a genocide is a Zionist take.

[@JMyrk]

@@XQzmeeMusic I love how all thoses antisemites can't stop talking about zionism. It's ALL about thoses filthy zionists right ? Quit your dog whistling dude :)

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

@@JMyrk and here you show that you're ignorant...

[@JMyrk]

@@GalacticNovaOverlord Dude I know more about antisemitic mouvements than you can fathom. i've been in one of them for 5 years.

[@TheRealZeke2003]

No fan of Vaush but misinformation should be permabanned

[@josevonbuergenwader2]

Some of these takes are not necessarily unique, Destiny. I heard the take about Marco Rubio in pretty much those exact words from countless people.

[@bryant2718]

it was one of the key takeaways from a lot of lefty media immediately post debate

[@paulp6504]

But...but I don't want Daddy and Daddy to divorce again 🥺

[@fafo867]

superdivorce

[@DirkLasermaster]

@Julie Fortune Destiny is my enby mom and vaush is my dad. Hasan is my whacky but cool uncle

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

For like the 3rd time.

[@lakabaka]

A grown man calling 2 other grown men for daddys .. ok

[@bigboydancannon4325]

Cringe

[@abednegokurio9244]

Holy shit the Ctrl + V shit is incredibly uncanny when compiled like that.

[@Lindyn773]

Vaush out (copy-)paced Destiny, intellectually.

[@psychicbyinternet]

I was just confused and trying to see what point was being made? Just seemed kind of incoherent.

[@JesterAzazel]

@@Wereskeleton also, the graph about mental disorder and the emotional roller coaster is psyche 101, hard not to copy someone when going over such a basic concept.

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

@@Wereskeleton the whole "with a long enough run time of content arguement" doesn't really hold up when the videos are 3 days between each other tho

[@ravenecho2410]

I mean commin it wasn't ctrl+v it was: shift v, line number, gg, shift y

[@pennclick]

17:02 Mike demonstrates yet again why we need an Oscar category for "worst fake laughter"

[@qtbanio]

I was listening to the video with my eyes closed, and it freaked me out when that played.

[@torlucas6096]

or rather, "best Joker laugh"

[@bean-pod]

@Zant Holy cow 😳😳😳 I don't know how anyone could listen to that and think "hey, this guy is rational"

[@allrequiredfields]

If you truly want to hear the most bizarrely forced, maximum-cringe laughter, check out Ben Carollo's debate with Charlie Kirk. I don't really care for Kirk but holy shit Ben Carollo was not only one of the most intellectually dishonest debaters I've ever heard, he would use this incredibly bizarre, spastic inhaling noise-that sounds literally like a hyena-as a comeback when he had no retort for an argument or point being made. He also was arguing the virtues of Lenin without even knowing who Alexander Solzhenitsyn was or having ever even heard of The Gulag Archipelago.

[@Jhon47807]

I do think there is some validity in what Vaush says. Destiny has become really spitful, literally every other phrase destiny uses is "Dipshit lefties" and at this point it is so tiring. It is not fun to watch.

[@masterxitra]

Yeah and his die hard fans will only attack or just continue hate vaush no.matter what said. Sure the "im smarter then destiny" thing was cringe but tbh both of then have big egos tou could fit a whole cathedral in.

[@the88mph]

i donno, i think both VGG and DGG are pretty bad in terms of echo chamber lands and you both just really hate eachothers audiences. its also funny cause you both get really defensive with critiques, but in totally different ways

[@emperortgp2424]

I doubt dgg even comes close to the idiocy of vgg

[@masterxitra]

@@emperortgp2424 no their both the same with the echo chamber like super fans they got. I like them both so its easy for me to avoid the echo chambers.

[@resshantanmorgan7107]

@@masterxitra nah Dgg is more welcoming of Vaush while Vgg hates Destiny guts so logically Vgg is more of an echo chamber.

[@Rose-rx4zn]

D.gg warming up to me okay so far .

[@emperortgp2424]

@@resshantanmorgan7107 Even not taking into account their respective attitudes towards vaush/destiny, you'll find that vgg is a lot more judgmental and "triggered" all the time just like the serf's chat. Dgg is all just memes and generally a lot chiller place. And there's also the ridiculously dumb takes vgg gives like how all kink in pride is okay, or how ccp is less propagandistic than america, etc.

[@terfel9476]

Destiny in the video: “I don’t think it’s cowardly at all.” Editor in the video title: “He’s An Absolute Coward!” We do a little click baiting.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

Let the circle jerk continue ad-infinitum

[@nicechop]

Vaush is the one that called Destiny a coward

[@firstuser5448]

@@nicechop no

[@griefweaver8432]

See you back in a month Vaush

[@shivamdas1801]

Lmaoo

[@sadbread2446]

Isn't that literally what Destiny and his overall community would want? Or do you disagree with Destiny and say that Vaush shouldn't engage? Are you gonna pick one or keep both and just be hypocritical about it? Do you want him to engage or not?

[@griefweaver8432]

@@sadbread2446 I have no idea what you're saying and I've read it 5 times, I'm not a Vaush stan or anything Potentially I'm a future combatant of sorts but yeah

[@sadbread2446]

@@griefweaver8432 Destiny criticized Vaush for not engaging. Here you're preempting a criticism that he'll engage again regardless. Do you think itd be good or bad for Vaush to engage with Destiny?

[@MikeSW]

Has Vaush considered making his case through the art of interpretative dance?

[@Petemeister22]

@@cozytown5540 That makes it better.

[@masterxitra]

@@cozytown5540 hes not that fat though. Make it sound. Like hes 300 or 400lb when he barly looks over 250 at best. He is 6ft tall or w.e so for somone that tall being 200lb is normal.

[@alihyderi9928]

@@cozytown5540 wdum Skinny people get gyno as well

[@Akimbojimbo_]

Vaush and Destiny currently have exactly the same number of subscribers.

[@tankiehatingsocialist678]

Destiny gets hella more live stream viewers

[@papaofthejohns5882]

@@tankiehatingsocialist678 Destiny’s been streaming for over ten years, it makes sense.

[@theman3971]

6:58 "I feel like I've outpaced him intellectually"

[@AzukaTheGoat]

We all came here for this

[@peterpehlivan157]

Thank you, was just looking for it x'd

[@johngreene8510]

15:30 ah yes the happy birthday manipulator tactic.

[@aar0n.mp364]

LMAO

[@dudeseriously591]

Idk about you, but I wish happy birthday to acquaintances

[@dukedematteo1995]

Really insane statement....

[@kevinshaw5420]

I cant tell if you really think you are the first person to come up with a lot of these arguments or if you're joking lol i like you destiny but if you're claiming you came up with "live for today" you are kinda arrogant lmao we dont come up with our ideas in a vacuum, all of our ideas are influenced by shit we heard somewhere else.

[@braden5611]

if you can link me where somebody gave a similar mental health graph to destiny's before the date he posted it I'd love to see it. Otherwise this is a stupid red herring as nobody is saying he "came up with it" he did however popularize most of these ideas in the debate community. Vaush re-running his ideas verbatim after shitting on him is obviously pretty shitty. If vaush was adding something to what Destiny said or giving more nuance to it I'd agree with you. The same reason I see destiny is in the right for building on the influences that drove him to that conclusion instead of copy-pasting it.

[@Pragabond]

@@braden5611 I mean do you have an issue with someone shitting on someone but agreeing with them on something unrelated or am I misunderstanding? Destiny's take of live for today and try to have good momentum in your life and keep the momentum IS one of the most generic takes on mental health so saying its a copy paste is pretty....eh. The fact they know each other lends some credence to if but its such a common thing to feel and say it seems super nitpicky to even give a shit about it much less comment on

[@kevinshaw5420]

@@braden5611 this is so stupid to try and get in the head of another human being and say that because he used an argument that was similar (in your opinion) than hes copying Destiny lmao leave the mind reading to magicians. My real problem here is the arrogance of Destiny to think that he has such an influence on people that if they make an argument that hes made in the past than they ripped him off. Destiny acknowledges he has influences that help shape his own opinions on things. This is the way humans think. Should we now list every person that helped us come to a conclusion on any given topic when making an argument? You act like Vaush has to like or respect Destiny because he agrees with some of his points and that logic does not follow. Why do you think its shitty to like one argument someone makes but shit on something else they say? Do you believe that if someone popularized an argument they now own that argument and should be given credit whenever someone uses it? Do you think Vaush should have some gratitude for Destiny or something? I know i typed a lot so sorry in advance for spelling and punctuation but you dont have to answer any of my questions if you dont want to lol im just curious in the way you think.

[@braden5611]

@@kevinshaw5420 I believe if someone has an argument which they've popularized, copy pasting it word for word, graph for graph to your channel is a bit much. Having a similar idea is perfectly fine and building on what other people have said is encouraged. Blatantly ripping off content is kinda stupid, and if you do it you should probably cite your sources, yes. Vaush isn't adding anything more to the talk, he is copying. It's like citing a source in my, in my head I see that if you built on a sources idea you don't necessarily need to say so. If you however took their idea and re-said verbatim what they said you don't deserve the same leeway as a person who is adding onto it.

[@braden5611]

@@Pragabond I just posted my response down there. That's my general take on it, sorry for the late reply :)

[@craydogdog1530]

I’m still gonna watch vaush because despite my disagreements with him( since I am an open liberal, and not a socialist) my intuition tell me that his beliefs are legitimate. Just because they are inconsistent and hard to categories doesn’t necessarily mean he is lying( not that Destiny is making this argument but I have seen many people do this). On top of that he still holds interesting positions on mental health, life ,political action and co-ops and so on. I’m only going to unsubscribe if I do not like his content or I get very little out of it. The mental health video of both of these guys are one of the most underrated KZbin videos as of yet. I personally think vaush is introspective about many things but not everything( like his internal logic, certain good faith criticisms from his fans and booksmarts) I think the same can be said about Destiny too btw but for different topics. I might agree with Destiny more and sometimes agree with vaush over Destiny , but I’m still gonna stick to my centrist take after watching booksmarts, I realised both the radical dggers and Vggers have cognitive dissonance in respect to their creator. Mind you, there are still reasonable people at vgg and dggg that are actually charitable to each others too which is good.

[@hwiatslgeord2887]

look at the like to dislike ratio, literally half of the vaushites are dgg refugees or an overlap between the audiences

[@fabiobalassia]

I'm glad you're handling the divorce with maturity

[@AnimeFan9833]

I recently reduced my consumption of Destiny's content because I've gotten pretty uncomfortable with a lot of his behavior. I agree with almost everything you said but I feel like consistency isn't even part of the problem. Both are human, they have to be inconsistent at points but Destiny is an unbearable dick about it. His anger and the way he approaches anyone on the left like they aren't even worthy of consideration or how he constantly weighs what they say against what some dumbfuck on twitter said, is just pathetically petty to me. Glad to find a fellow Booksmarts Enjoyer among all the Destiny Fans here though.

[@romanski5811]

Because of this inconsistency at the core Vaush is not vegan as well. That's something I don't like about him. At least Destiny is consistent and wouldn't even mind the killing of a chimpanzee for pleasure (at least in terms of whether he thinks it would be ethically justifiable or not). Vaush doesn't have such a foundation.

[@Alic4444]

@@romanski5811 That's called sophistry.

[@rickyslaws]

And yet, they have the same number of subscribers. 351,000 of their children caught in the crossfire of this bitter dispute.

[@the99throgue25]

31:00 Bro this guy is still saying sargon is afraid to debate him? Sargon literally invited him to debate critical race theory on PSA Sitch podcast last week and he declined lmao. Like you can hate sargon without lieing.

[@socraytes]

@Matthew Porco, all the more reason to *NOT* decline the debate then.

[@socraytes]

@Matthew Porco, there are plenty of KZbinrs who debate in bad faith and hurt others' images. For example, I hear debaters (without evidence or by proxy) call others fascist and n*zi's all the time...I'm sure that doesn't help someone's image correct?

[@ackermanlol]

@@socraytes What "debaters" do that? Can you give names?

[@socraytes]

@@ackermanlol, vaush, serfstv, demonmama are youtube debators that fit this mold off the top of my head. There are many other people in the political realm that also do this very often that wouldn't be considered debators but associate people negatively by proxy.

[@Redmayne152]

@@ackermanlol Vaush debated count dankula because he was saying CD was a fascist, white supremacist, blah blah other lefty trigger buzzwords.

[@mmeditatio]

vaush is the most insincere and calculated person to come out of the destiny clone culture

[@pepe2493]

Destiny clone culture lol that should be an entire subgenre

[@mmeditatio]

@Don Shepard if you mistook that for a pro-destiny statement you read it wrong. they didn't steal his logic and ethics (except vaush who stole literally everything), they stole his style and the words and mannerisms he uses. it's fucking obnoxious.

[@keepwhiningtankies3594]

Bro, he has a point...

[@hughmungous3357]

Nietzsche would cringe at your name.

[@keepwhiningtankies3594]

@@hughmungous3357 dude, with opening lines like that it’s no wonder you’re still a virgin

[@hughmungous3357]

@@keepwhiningtankies3594 ? I did not try to flirt with you. It just came to my mind, that Nietzsche said that righteousness is the trait of the slave not the nobleman.

[@keepwhiningtankies3594]

@@hughmungous3357 oh so it’s like a BDSM sub-dom thing you’re thinking? I mean, I might be up for that, but I’m not easy, you know? You make me blush, what would the other boys think?

[@hughmungous3357]

@@keepwhiningtankies3594 bruh come on 😃 ... that's cringe af.

[@fem0]

thank god i was looking for something to do for 30 mins

[@debbiehargreaves3350]

X2 speed gang?

[@markoveselinovic2586]

Ah a man of culture

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

@@debbiehargreaves3350 Like a good 5head.

[@sk8n854]

Nice because I unsubbed Vaush about a month ago.

[@metalministershow]

32:00 Did Vaush forget he already debated Sargon? Iirc, Vaush was acting like a complete asshat for the whole thing, then stormed out like a spoiled child as soon as the debate was over. Yeah, I wouldn't debate someone if they acted like that either!

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

I mean most of these clips are just common takes everyone has, you can't just say everyone is copying Destiny's stream. Stop being ridiculous.

[@variantdot]

lmao dawg in one of the clips vaush used the exact type of graph destiny used to demonstrate the same point destiny made; and in another clip vaush literally used the exact same hypothetical that destiny used to make the same point. it's funny that vaush just happens to give the exact same examples and hypotheticals that destiny does to make the same points, and it's always just a few weeks after destiny makes that point.

[@colamity_5000]

Dude, it's not the idea it's the phrasing and presentation. It's fucking weird how he'll steal Destinys exact way of delivering the idea done to the fucking intonation.

[@vicariouschism86]

Nice sock account!

[@TheAudioInjection]

Proxy debates with video examples looks like it'll be the future with these two.

[@nocuh]

Nothing quite says “I’ve outpaced him intellectually” like being cartoonishly flabbergasted and lining up excuses in blubbering cope

[@za-ir5ni]

They are pretty good excuses. Destiny has fucked up a lot recently.

[@dukedematteo1995]

Its moral to surrender to mobs...

[@xenos_n.]

@@dukedematteo1995 OH SICK BURN BRO

[@shockwavesyndrome6433]

@@za-ir5ni like?

[@relaxed8365]

*"Me, an intellectual" plays in the distance*

[@longlivesteelo8670]

This is what I'm talking about more vaush vs destiny drama

[@mintymilkk]

but vaush is boring

[@wyliehj]

@@mintymilkk I get a lot more enjoyment watching Vaush than destiny tbh

[@pablowall]

@@wyliehj yeah generally, aesthetics/ emotional thinkers prefer vaush, logic lords/ debate bros like me prefer destiny for his unemotional analysis from the data/facts alone. there is a huge overlap in agreement between vaush and destiny, but i literally cannot stand Vaush's style of analysis on the fly without any reading beforehand, they always have glaring errors, logical leaps, and bad faith towards anything that he interprets as being anti-left.

[@arcarsenal1380]

@@mintymilkk but, 80% of Destiny's content is Twitch drama.

[@kebabfoto]

@@wyliehj How? He copies so much from Destiny it’s insane. I used to watch them both religiously at work and in the gym and after a while I couldn’t stand Vaush anymore. I really don’t hate him or dislike him it’s just a bit weird seeing someone so blatantly copying someone elses opinions and then portray that other person as being bad, it comes off as so bad faith that I don’t feel like I can trust Vaush. Destiny has some gamer takes on certain things and I don’t agree with him on everything, but I can trust that it’s mostly his take that i’m hearing, a well thought out and sound argument. So even if he fails at perfection, I can see that he is being himself and I value that. Hopefully Vaush will get there some day, he can be funny and smart at times.

[@brownguyyash5295]

When a person says that they've "intellectually outpaced" you, you got know how dependent they are on you for using your intelligence are reference for their own intelligence.

[@dotted1337]

Vaush stans disliking this video creating engagement for the A L G O R I T H M, FeelsStrongMan.

[@fabiobalassia]

There's way too much overlap between the communities lol

[@nickculver1864]

Yeah I actually really like both, was kinda nice with them sending weird political love letters to each other through videos. I think I'll miss their interactions together.

[@unitedfools3493]

KZbin algo really only cares whether you watch the video or not.

[@greyhound4204]

@@fabiobalassia vaush banned destiny's mentions from his platforms, so his fans are coming here to please their obsession with destiny

[@fabiobalassia]

@@greyhound4204 Why obsession? I like Destiny (woman's name though)

[@nitsuA_LH]

I don't blame him for saying goodbye to Destiny. Awful game. Bungie should have stuck with Halo.

[@kawaiivenus8177]

This is like the Civil wars. It will just take a infinity wars level threat for them to work together again

[@皇帝ScottYee]

007 James Bond, licensed to kill 07 Destiny, licensed to ban

[@swagmund_freud6669]

*girls name

[@Limabipla]

The point brought up by Destiny at 27:51 seems a bit dishonest, the clip right after Vaush said that after the charity, he hopes that people that are [on the fence] about him are more likely to speak with him now, not that they were "larger".

[@SultanOfSloths]

Is it? The way I understood it was that anybody of smaller or the same size as Vaush would likely be happy to work with him, while larger content creators would be less likely because there is less to gain out of that transaction. That's the only option that makes sense to me, because if anybody else was on the fence because of his politics or character, that charity stream would've done nothing to change it.

[@Limabipla]

@@SultanOfSloths Depends. Maybe people that saw him as just a "debate bro" that contributed nothing meaningful to the material world could be swayed by this.

[@NoblesseOblige-17]

Does Vaush make art? Seeing Clip Studio Paint surprised me.

[@johnhalo8726]

yeah

[@unofficialfr3dfo041]

He owns a cintique and posted some drawing on his Twitter a while back. He's pretty decent

[@brandonden795]

Yeah, he doesn't make it public usually though

[@IBBMS]

He has a secret art twitter he won’t tell anyone about (but I think some have found) he used to draw NSFW stuff

[@ludwigii9329]

Yeah. He drew his avatar and his stream thumbnail

[@nikkovalidor4890]

this is totally me when i outpace my enemies intellectually

[@the500mphtortoise]

soflo vibes

[@a.j.metalfreak7042]

Is it just me, or could Destiny and Vaush get a lot more accomplished and have productive conversations if they would just put their egos to the side for once lol

[@a.j.metalfreak7042]

@@mezzb Yeah, true, true. Besides without the egos, where would the entertainment value be? lol Jokes aside, I think that there's just so much little petty shit that they get hung up on.

[@BrendanishLeo]

@@a.j.metalfreak7042 It actually pisses me off. One of my favorite videos, and the only reason I ever decided to watch Vaush is when Destiny teamed up with him against Striker and Allsup. They have pretty similar comedy, and they seem to go so well together, but they both get mad over such stupid shit that they refuse to be allies.

[@a.j.metalfreak7042]

@@BrendanishLeo Right?! When they debate on the same side it's always gold. Maybe they're just too similar to each other, and that's what drives the antagonism between them.

[@fabiobalassia]

@@a.j.metalfreak7042 Feels bad knowing we won't have that team again, the 2v2 was so good

[@BrendanishLeo]

@@ArtMFootball reminder that Vaush literally said logic is not important in forming opinions and positions, and that if a mob seems you bad, you should give yourself into it. Not defending Steve, he does bad faith shit plenty, but pretending vaush is better is comedic

[@somedudeok1451]

Sry Destiny, but Vaush is right with many of his criticisms. You do seem spiteful when you tell your community to hack someone who happens to be the partner of someone who cancelled you online. And no, you would not defend Vaush if your partner attacked him. Like absolutely not. And your hate against the left does lead you to blindly make bad arguments. The thing you said that got you in trouble on Twitch was one of these.

[@kingoli8823]

Wanna now how spiteful he is. I'll admit i didnt see this stream but based on how this vid is shown in a way where destiny and chat is "coincidentally" finding points where he "copied" or some shit.

[@RealFreedomMG]

You may not be aware of the context of that. You can go back and listen to his discussion with Xanderhal after he got unpartnered. That was after there were calls to action by Vaush's partner, mods and roommate for their community to go an report Destiny. When he called this out he was told even in his conversation with Xanderhal that nobody was trying to get him reported, that when they were calling him a fascist and a Nazi that should be banned that it was poor "phraseology" and nobody wanted anything to happen from those reports. So he said the same thing in his chat as a tongue and cheek jab to point out that they wouldn't accept these arguments if it wasn't their community. And he was proven right. Nobody called these people out except Destiny and his community and those were actions that lead to him being unpartnered.

[@suprisedlink9374]

@@RealFreedomMG There was never a call to action to report destiny from Hyena. There is literally no evidence of that. If other members of Vaush's community did that, that's not his fault. He can't Predict everything they do. Even if this all happened like you said, Destiny shouldn't have said something so incredibly brain dead that would obviously get him unpartnered. That's simply the result of his own ridiculous hyperbole towards a very sensitive subject. Praising violence towards anyone is incredibly cringe take.

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@suprisedlink9374 And Destiny didn't hack any website or tell anyone to do that. If other members in Destiny's community did that, that's not his fault. In all seriousness though It's not like Destiny is subtle about what he says. Again even in his conversation with Xanderhal after he got unpartnered he made the comparison. You can hear when Xanderhal brought it up Destiny just copied the reasons Xanderhal was giving for why nobody was trying get him banned after showing logs of people saying he should get reported, spreading a 30 second clip calling him a Nazi/fascist when Vaush's community is aware from Vaush himself how people use 30 second clips calling him a pedo/ CP advocate saying he wants to nuke Israel off the map, a transphobe etc. I think Destiny was hoping that the comparison would click in his head. It seems kind of an obvious one.

[@somedudeok1451]

@@RealFreedomMG Dude, I literally heard Destiny say to his community that they should hack Vaush and try to get him deplatformed in the stream where he was fuming after he got unpartnered.

[@monster41051]

Vaush: he will ban you for criticizing him. He bans everyone. He is driven by spite! Also Vaush: I will ban you for mentioning Destiny

[@hibarikyoya854]

Banning for dissagreement vs banning for not wanting to engage in drama anymore and wants to get rid of that behavior. Yeah same thing

[@kenneththomas2580]

Destiny did the same thing on his reddit lmao....

[@hibarikyoya854]

@@kenneththomas2580 yeah wait didnt he ban people live on chat for mentioning him i vaguely remember that. So i guees with his own argument destiny is a cowrad too

[@kaylynn600]

Lolol wow you can really tell how butt hurt destiny is 😂😂 "Vaush copies my arguments" lmfaoooo what?

[@kellymoderator5253]

that line has always irked me. its literally trolling.

[@austinhernandez2716]

And if it's good then why does it matter

[@spacetoast7783]

@@austinhernandez2716 Because Vaush is telling his audience to despise Destiny despite sharing 90% of prescriptive beliefs.

[@austinhernandez2716]

@@spacetoast7783 then it obviously has to do with his character or actions and not his beleifs. And it's nowhere near 90%

[@austinhernandez2716]

@big succ none of it is original. Everyone's beleifs and opinions are based off of others, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@premiersportingkc3443]

While I appreciate Destiny's rhetorical skills, I think it's undeniable that he has the personality of a contrarian. Back when I taught college students, every semester I always had one or two students like him. Intelligence + a deep hatred of conformity led to these students making interesting, but ultimately fruitless, arguments in their papers. If you accept the reality that Destiny's primary motivation is simply hating whichever movement is growing in popularity, then a lot of his takes make sense, such as his bizarre support for Citizen's United or his insistence that white people should be allowed to use the N-word.

[@welldonesir3996]

Nope, He an Alpha Male And U auh Beta Male!

[@MikeSW]

Learn how to swim

[@Pragabond]

@@MikeSW I.....don't understand what this means

[@MikeSW]

@@Pragabond Spending too much time in the shallow side of the pool

[@Pragabond]

@@MikeSW You mean the person who is a professional teacher and deals with hundreds or different people with differing levels of intelligence including those higher than yours every year? Or Destiny the youtube twitch gamer man I'm subscribbled to Destiny but lets not forget the lane he's in

[@yaviks-r3w]

The persecution complex on both of destiny and vaush is insane, also the egos.

[@emilycrow8278]

to be fair, Vaush seems to want the commentary of community infighting to stop. Like, that's what he's threatening to start banning is people that keep fueling the drama flames.

[@yaviks-r3w]

@@emilycrow8278 I don't have enough experience watching destiny content to say that he is different but I have found vaush to be a little ban happy because of that.

[@emilycrow8278]

@@yaviks-r3w Vaush's ban happiness is more of a joke. People are only banned for 24 hours and are let back everytime, unless they were being contentious. The times vaush says on streams how he's gonna ban everyone that does x thing is more him talking shit to his community.

[@yaviks-r3w]

@@emilycrow8278 ah alright I listen to a lot of his content but don't read the chat or message when I am listening to a stream so I wouldn't know.

[@emilycrow8278]

@@yaviks-r3w I was the same. I only joined the discord this month. I wouldn't really consider myself a Vaushite, but he I do like his rhetorical tactics more so than others.

[@MostlyAverage]

Everytime Vaush says something that Destiny doesn't have a response to, Destiny talks about the game he's playing instead.

[@JP-Sphere]

Timestamp please?

[@HAHAHHAHAHA-o9m]

where? 🤔

[@elijahfirst757]

Lmao adding the 2 year old same rinse and repeat clip of Vaush when he mentions the mask-on comment was really bad faith. A perfect example of Destiny’s behavior against Vaush. I watch some of Destiny’s videos still sure he still has some good takes but for some reason the mention of Vaush’s name makes Destiny revert into a 13 year old Xbox live troll it’s insane.

[@sadbread2446]

To be as fair as possible, Destiny doesn't edit his videos himself and it may have just been the editors choice and he might not've thought it was a good addition or something.

[@Itryhardder]

I'm not really partial to either of yall, but I gotta say you tweeting that demonmama being attacked was a farce was cringe, then your response to it, "that was a based tweet" is extra cringe. Plus instead of addressing the legality of you calling for hax you make a stupid joke about lawyers.

[@onlyeveryone2253]

He probably does not see the demon mama thing as hurting the Democratic party. For the legality thing so he said was that he thinks it should be fine too be hyperbolic.

[@AnthonySuperCoder]

There’s pretty much no way Destiny gets anywhere near the legal standard of incitement (intended and likely to cause imminent lawless action) so a lawyer joke is fine.

[@lukeivan1]

You expecting Destiny to go super in depth to see if what he said half a year ago qualifies as breaking the law when there is literally no threat of Vaush taking any sort of legal action is very funny.

[@Itryhardder]

@@lukeivan1 Fair enough, I didn't realize this was more BM than illegal, I believe Vaush was being bitchy when he said that too btw I just thought it was a more serious allegation than it is.

[@moonsicklegaming7990]

28:29 Destiny said that vaush said something like "oh i hope you guys see the good im doing, i hope some of you larger contentcreators wanna talk to me now", then we see 2 clips, when hasan raids, and then when vaush says "i hope that some of you who were on the fence about me to work with me in the future" You can see that the timestamp in the chat in both clips are hours and hours and hours apart. I think it is disingenuous to say that vaush wanted clout off of the charity, which the implication is of Destiny. And the 2 clips back to back 100% try to prove that point, even though they are so far apart from another. Vaush had in the past said that a lot of contentcreators did not want to work with him because of his edgy humour and edgy takes on certain topics. Are some of them large content creators? Sure. Does that mean that he does that to gain massive clout? No. At the very least there isnt enough evidence to suggest that. If you look at his views, he does get hundreds of thousands of views on each video, doesnt seem like is dying for views or income. I do not think that this point is fair.

[@radred609]

aknowledging the fact that you're doing a charitable thing doesn't magically make the charitable thing not count. the alternative is that he actively lie and pretend that there's no way that a charity stream might have an effect on his public perception. which might be better for optics but the whole conversation is just is a kafka trap.

[@moonsicklegaming7990]

@@radred609 "the alternative is that he actively lie and pretend that there's no way that a charity stream might have an effect on his public perception" sure, but do you think that was what was meant when destiny said that? He made it seem like he was thirsty for cloud or saw that as an opportunity to gain more, which i think is unfair. Im not saying that destiny thinks that he whole charity thing was a front for clout.

[@fabiobalassia]

@@moonsicklegaming7990 The editing was definitely weird, I agree

[@remydesi]

Why didn’t Destiny play the part where Vaush talks about what Highyena actually did vs what Destiny said she did ?

[@remydesi]

@re e oh cool, I probably missed it. Do you have a time stamp ?

[@kyleelam7829]

lol Vaush pointing out hypocrisy is fucking hilarious

[@quinnrafferty4635]

Sheesh its like my parents are getting divorced again

[@Zach0451]

YESSSSSS RIGHT INTO MY VEINSSSS

[@AppleBaron]

You meant FEEEEEEEED

[@KingAwesomeOutputs]

There's a lot of clips but not one for the talk destiny had with Xander that vaush mentioned. Why is that? Was that stream not saved or something?

[@land_and_air1250]

No it was saved, there are some notable ones in the coconut island yt channel which has a clips for context overlay on this vid. Also on xanderhals yt channel

[@user-cj8ds9wy3f]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i33chXyibqidjqc

[@aj00]

7:00 THAT FACE

[@3jacen]

OH FUCK!!! I had this video on 2x speed and then he put the video he was watching on 2x and now I hear mostly squeks

[@RySL66]

Steven's the coward, but Vaush is the one running away?

[@TheRiviaWitcher]

I read it as "Steven the crowder"

[@amuail]

V projection

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

He literally said he'll be ready to discuss his positions with Vaush whenever he wants. Vaush banned all Destiny related content in his subreddit.

[@garywebb2432]

@@user-wu1us1yh3n doesn't destiny ban anybody who disagree with him?

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@garywebb2432 I think he said in one of his recent videos that he only does that to people who seem like they're only mentioning it in bad faith. Which usually includes insults and such.

[@pr3historic647]

The 28:30 vaush clip honestly doesn't seem bad at all tbh.

[@AmineSamus]

Yeah wanting to reach out to other people to do more charity or other things isn't some awful thing.

[@pr3historic647]

@@AmineSamus yeah like if he said something like "the whole reason I did this livestream was to get more people to collaborate with me" then that would be bad. This clip wasn't that though.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

The problem with KZbin debates is the same problem with Twitter. It's all discorse, and so only the discorse is just circle jerked ad infinitum.

[@Retotion]

My biggest annoyance is how seriously these people take each other, get over yourselves and debate each other for your online crowds. You're entertainers, not political figures, not activists, not remotely important, so humble yourself and be amusing

[@Fisherminer]

Right in my feeeeed

[@Kloutkulture]

I never thought I'd see the day someone just bans even mentioning D. This was the best arc yet, the writers just keep surprising us.

[@coolk714]

@iHost lmao seriously

[@erikjohnson1684]

Vaush gets half his takes from Destiny. Vaush is kinda right though. Destiny says and does a lot of dumb shit now.

[@JesterAzazel]

Yea, he acts like it doesn't matter because people are going to misquote him anyway. The thing is, you can look into the quote and see that people are full of shit. Now he's giving them ammo to use against him that'll be more effective. It's like when a woman accuses a man of cheating, then he uses that accusation as justification to do it. It's child logic, and it only serves to make people feel like they were right about you all along. And one more thing, I watched his take on the guy that only dates black girls, and while I started off agreeing with him, he pretty much spent the entire discussion putting words in people's mouths, and didn't even seem to understand the nuance of the position he was arguing against. He talks a good game about how "now" he's going to try to be more rhetorically effective, but then he just gets frustrated and pushes the chess board right off the table. Well, maybe 2022 Destiny will stick with it, because this aint the year.

[@davewade30]

Seeing how gleeful Demonmama got upon finding out Destiny misgendered her was eye opening to say the least. I thought that was supposed to be hurtful, not something to be used as a gotcha! Things that make you go hmmm.

[@sirirem7292]

I watch all Vaush content pretty much and like his style more, but I don’t hate destiny. Fellow Nebraskan!

[@potatopal7511]

I think Vaush has some good takes but he completely lost me during his and Destiny’s debate regarding rittenhouse where Vaush said we should “submit outselves to the mob”. That was so radical I had to go back several times to make sure I heard right lmao.

[@cfromkc5096]

His argument was if you did a justified killing put the gun down so you don't have to kill more people

[@AmineSamus]

If you have just shot and killed someone and the "mob" knows you have, it is best in that situation to put the gun down. That's all vaush was saying.

[@potatopal7511]

@@AmineSamus why would he put a gun down for an angry mob to come and take it from him and most likely shoot at him or the police???

[@AmineSamus]

@@potatopal7511 Because he literally just shot and killed someone???

[@potatopal7511]

@@AmineSamus the people that assaulted him? good.

[@Dzf34r]

The problem is Destiny's job at its core is something similar to reality t.v. or WWE. If he isn't getting into arguments or stirring up/indulging in controversy then it isn't entertaining to watch. By choosing to die on every hill and focusing on where he disagrees with people rather than offering solutions to problems he agrees 90% of the way on, he manufactures his own conflicts and confrontations ie "content" which inevitably results in him cutting ties with most of those he consistently comes into contact with over a long period of time. It's sad to me because I truly had high hopes for someone with as much potential as him to be a leader on the left people could get behind and work together with in order to reach a broader goal politically. Unfortunately, it seems he does not have enough discipline to treat others with respect when disagreeing or know when to back off of a non consequential point to an otherwise productive conversation.

[@GalacticNovaOverlord]

This ^

[@tiffanyb9275]

When I listen to Vaush I feel good, but I can usually count on Destiny to point out uncomfortable truths. They both have their place, but truth is valuable. Vaush says stuff I wanna hear, Destiny says stuff you don’t wanna hear but you gotta confront.

[@SirLied]

Aka Destiny tells the truth, while Vaush spins whatever narrative supports his foregone conclusions. He's even admitted that all of his arguments are a means to bolster the socialist position first and foremost. It leads to a lot of bad faith takes when you can't cede and ground that would undermine the narrative of your wider ideology, aka his Rittenhouse take.

[@MicrowavedRamen]

@Don Shepard No idea how you got that from this comment. Someone making you feel bad about your shitty opinions doesn't mean their objective is purely to be contrarian.

[@51gan788]

vaush makes a good point regarding destiny's twitter engagement. Destiny just admitted here that he basically just trolls on twitter. It makes Destiny come off as really cynical, spiteful and uncaring. It's not responsible when you have such a massive amount of influence with a largue audience

[@bolmeteussteeldragon47]

Twitter is already a cesspoll of toxicity. Taking a shit in it makes no difference.

[@51gan788]

@@bolmeteussteeldragon47 I will respectfully disagree. Because you can use that kinda logjc to justify all sorts of insane shit

[@fabiobalassia]

@@bolmeteussteeldragon47 So if he wasn't lying on twitter, somebody else would?

[@bolmeteussteeldragon47]

​@@fabiobalassia Twitter is a shithole of a platform. Destiny and the whole online debate community is just a toxic wasteland. Either you embrace the troll aspect or toss twitter to the recycle bin.

[@YoungMachette]

Dude this Vansh guys is not real. His inner monologue is un-ironically like a super villain. "I've surpassed him intellectually" who the fuck thinks like that.

[@BigPapaMitchell]

I don't care. Wake me up when there's content that isn't him malding at the existence of lefties.

[@micahvalentine4878]

Literally bro. I'm so sleep on this shit

[@joel_the_ai]

Not another divorce 😭