HE'S IN THIS? Farmer Refuted/You'll Be Back FIRST TIME Reaction/Analysis (ft.

[@CFEntertains]

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[@AidanDoherty-xk1qq]

"Dont change the subject" The king said calmly

[@CFEntertains]

bro is spittin (literally)

[@kaejuka6249]

"DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!?!?!?!" dumbledore asked calmly

[@richtyty9416]

"Call me son one more time" Alexander said calmly.

[@nicholasthomas.7553]

@@CFEntertains😂😂

[@Gremlin_Boi_]

"PLEASE DONT MAKE ME DO THIS" Said Odysseus calmly.

[@araluen4109]

Fun fact, during the time in which this musical takes place, New Jersey was the only place where it was legal to do honest to god duels, like, pistol fights. So when Hamilton says "is he in Jersey?" in Farmer Refuted, he's saying, "hey, is the king here right now? Because I'll fight him right now, let's go."

[@felicitymcdonald24]

Everything is legal in New Jersey...

[@cozy_kelpie]

This, and also he is commenting on the fact that the king is not, in fact, anywhere nearby, but is in fact an ocean away, so why should he get a say in anything that happens here?

[@rynsvt2518]

my school band visited nyc but we stayed in new jersey, and you can imagine that the moment we got there we yelled “everything is legal in new jersey!”

[@A_wild_pumpkin_appears]

I think my favourite fact about this song is that despite it looking the most like a costume, king George’s outfit is the most historically accurate outfit in the entire musical, it’s literally a one to one replica

[@melissaparsons741]

It’s the heaviest costume too if I remember rightly

[@CFEntertains]

no shot hahahaha

[@alex._420]

​@@melissaparsons741 yeah his crown was REALLY heavy, which ie why he walks like that, he can't move his shoulders or it'd fall LOL

[@elliest8241]

His is actually the only fully accurate one lol because the others have historically accurate costumes, but from the neck up they’re modern :) (hence mulligans beanie)

[@theshadowfax239]

​@@alex._420 The crown was heavy initially, but they very soon replaced it with a lighter version.

[@reneehunt5590]

Fun Fact: King George's music is inspired by the Beatles. Lin said it was a metaphor the British Invasion, the music movement in the 1960 that took over US radio. The movement only ended when Rap music became more popular in the following decades; A Music Revolution

[@TailsFan]

Oh, that's fun!

[@CFEntertains]

That is genius

[@Bestdressedveggie]

Holy moly

[@TheTuneShifter]

@@Bestdressedveggie *hysterical laugh*

[@jennsoethe]

And the Monkees. The song is reminiscent of "Daydream Believer"

[@zjmiller6627]

One thing I don’t see a lot of people talking about is how the melody lowers and rises in opposite to the lyrics “oceans rise, empires fall,” because in a lot of songwriting it’s common for the opposite to happen, the pitch goes up when the lyrics say something goes up or rises, and the pitch goes down when the lyrics say something goes down or falls, but here, the pitch falls with “rise” and rises with “fall,” which kinda adds to making the king sound a little crazy.

[@riversoblivionstudios]

I love this note

[@CFEntertains]

nice catch!

[@alsodoor4206]

It's worth noting that throughout the entirety of You'll Be Back, every time Jonathan's eyes move, he's finding a new person in the crowd to STARE DOWN unblinking while he sings his beautifully unnerving lines 😭He is truly dedicated to and loves his role of The "Mad King" Charles

[@Bestdressedveggie]

I'd actually combust if that were me

[@yuukinoyuki9064]

*George Charles is the current King, but the Mad King who ruled during this period was George III

[@alsodoor4206]

@@yuukinoyuki9064 Omg yes of course, thank you for the correction 😭I actually dont know how i messed that up LOL i think i was VERY tired at the time

[@allisonbergh4429]

I love that the infamous Jonathan Groff spit thing only emphasises the King’s descent into madness 😅

[@Snow_Speck]

​@@alsodoor4206technically, Charles could work, in fance there was a 'Charles the beloved' he soon became 'Charles the Mad' after he killed a few of his men, thought his skin was made of glass, and thought he was ST George And now I'm ranting, sorry

[@altarudragonspirit4016]

I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but a neat thing is that during 'You'll Be Back', the King was actually making eye contact with random members of the audience as he was singing; so some poor member of the audience is going to have their friends and family killed, lol

[@helenafarkas4534]

the song "Farmer refuted" is a reference to a real pamphlet war between Alexander Hamilton (who was either 17 or 19 at the time) with Seabury (who was 45). Seabury published his anti-revolution pamphlet under a pseudonym, in which he referred to himself as a common farmer (Seabury was actually a respected member of the clergy). Hamilton ALSO published under a pseudonym, but his writing style was so well known that everyone immediately clocked that it was him, was titled "Farmer, Refuted" to directly attack Seabury''s pamphlet and outsold him by a landslide, and what was really what put Hamilton on the map revolutionarily speaking. you can still find and read the actual "Farmer, Refuted" by Alexander Hamilton, today

[@alex._420]

That's amazing omg, a 45 yo beefing with a 17-19 yo is crazy XDDD

[@helenafarkas4534]

@@alex._420 and the collage kid ROCKED THE GEEZER'S SHIT

[@sergioandrade8735]

Samuel Seabury is considered one of the founders of the American Episcopalian Church.

[@rhov-anion]

Boomers and Millennials, 1776 style

[@voidfloof]

​@@alex._420dudes be 45 and they opps be 19

[@thegothfolk]

It's worth it to look up Mad King George as he is now known. The line "when you're gone I'll go mad" and the mood swings in the song, plus the spitting.

[@riversoblivionstudios]

I was hoping someone would drop the "mad" king George historical nugget

[@riversoblivionstudios]

Note for the editor: the animal noise cut ins were 100%

[@CFEntertains]

Adam knocked it out of the park ahaha

[@riversoblivionstudios]

@@CFEntertains yes! Adam! Thank you!

[@michellewest4796]

The actor playing Samuel Seabury is the longest running actor in Hamilton. He was still playing when the show came to Seattle last year.

[@Ghostinasuit]

Thayne Jasperson!!! He’s incredible!! He’s been so many different characters throughout the show.

[@allisonbergh4429]

@@GhostinasuitHe’s also responsible for the key change in the song, I think. I dimly recall a podcast where Thayne said that the key change and moving the box to stand on evolved during development.

[@gonzalogarcia8013]

Apparently they gave Lin the chance to remove Jonathan's spit from the movie through editing, but he decided to keep it cause it was funnier 😂

[@robinl.2481]

The other day I was listening to a musicals mix on Spotify and I heard Farmer Refuted, including "A MESSAGE FROM THE KING!" (×3) Followed by "I must say, what a brilliant speech you gave"

[@CFEntertains]

HAHA thats dope

[@dopaminevamp399]

Casper's happy stimming at the start of You'll Be Back made me laugh lmfao. I do that too sometimes

[@zebzamboni]

Fun fact: Jonathan Groff had already left the show and was replaced by Brian d'Arcy James when they filmed this a few years after the show opened, but they brought him back specifically to make the pro-shot so they could have the original cast together again.

[@allisonbergh4429]

It wouldn’t have been the same without Groff spitting all over the place 😂

[@gachazally8914]

Casper looks so shocked in the thumbnail😭

[@CFEntertains]

I was flabbergasted

[@colinfontenot7561]

"When you're gone I'll go mad" is historicaly accurate.

[@margaretconnor5623]

A character thing is the spitting with the King is just how Jonathan sings but it works so well because King George was famously a 'mad king' and would go on angry rants where he was described to be 'foaming at the mouth' so the King spitting at 'NO DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT' is like King George foaming at the mouth in anger cause of his madness.

[@elbruces]

He gets wet. He's a wet guy.

[@yesthisismypersonalaccount4313]

Something funny that I've heard (not sure if it's 100% true), is that when the real Goerge III was really angry foam would start to ran of his mouth, it also happened to him when he had this episodes of none stop talking, that could last for HOURS (he was very mentaly ill). So Jonathan accidentally spliting in "You'll be back" is the most acuerate thing ever xdd

[@Ana-rf5cu]

I actually heard that he drank a lot of water before the show so he would spit a lot, so it wasn't that accidental. Jonathan's dedication to the role is amazing

[@Lucijr0]

Casper's reaction when Jonathan Groff appears represents me a lot (and also the English questions hahaha)

[@genny5309]

And with 3 stellar songs/appearances in Hamilton, Jonathan Groff was nominated for a Tony Award for Best Featured Actor in a Musical in 2016. The award was won by Daveed Diggs (Lafayette/Jefferson). Christopher Jackson (Washington) was also nominated.

[@AliaMia62]

One of my favorite stories of this musical (don't know if it's true) is I heard Beyonce attended one of the first performances or something and went backstage afterwards and helped King George perfect his diva walk for that walk forward

[@jamiehale2552]

I think it’s true because Jonathan told that story on one of the late night talk shows. Maybe Colbert?

[@jcompton8507]

Not sure if anyone answered the wealth question, but Lafayette is the richest of them. He's super-rich landowning French nobility. Then John Laurens, whose father was a very, very rich and politically powerful South Carolina merchant and slave trader. Then Burr, who inherited from his parents and grandparents when they all died. ("I'm a trust fund baby"...) Then probably Hercules, who is a fancy tailor. Then Hamilton, the orphan immigrant who came to the US on scholarship.

[@taubme8723]

Also fun fact, at the time of this recording Jonathan Groff had already left the stage production. He came back just to record this for the cameras so the complete original cast was featured.

[@juj509]

"Gollum Casper isn't real, he can't hurt you" Gollum Casper: 08:58 (such great editing by the way)

[@dragansnyder2786]

Farmer refuted is also just the title of the essays that Hamilton wrote against Samuel seabury, because Samuel seabury referred to himself as a farmer (it was just his pseudonym, or a fake name he used to write his paper/ and this is basically what he did, Hamilton kind of verbally eviscerated the man, (which is something he would really become known for)

[@disableddragonborn]

I read the actual article "The Farmer Refuted" that the real Alexander wrote, and he is just as scathing, if not more. It's impossible to exaggerate the real Alexander Hamilton. Even a brilliant actor like Lin can't fully portray his arrogance.

[@christianSanPer]

Thanks to you,guys for enter me in Epic and this rewatch of Hamilton. Thanks for the great job!!!😊😊

[@CFEntertains]

Thanks for watching!!

[@boomgirlbucko]

3:03 Casper's slow head turn is killing me

[@allieren]

I saw Hamilton on Broadway last summer and the farmer (Thayne Jasperson) was playing King George the night I was there. He was hilarious. The part where he’s sitting in the chair in Act II I think he actually made the actor playing Aaron Burr break character and crack up a little, which of course just made the audience laugh harder.

[@rebeccaashmore7025]

Casper! Your glee at seeing Jonathan Groff was amazingly precious!

[@nekoaliceyamiyaoi8226]

Ohmygod, the reaction to Jonathan Groff was so precious!!! I was the same (also loved him in Glee!) when I found out it was him the first time :) LOVED this whole reaction!! Can't wait to see more (especially more of the King)

[@paulmarsden7714]

The music in farmer refuted is baroque counterpoint and the back and forth between Hamilton and Seabury reflects that

[@disableddragonborn]

"When I watched it in person." Mortius just casually bragging about being able to get tickets to a Hamilton performance. 😆

[@sarka2008]

I love the difference in reaction, also "I will kill your friends and family to remind you of my love" will always be one of my favourite lyrics

[@disableddragonborn]

Fun fact: The way he walks as KG3 isn't just to fit the character, it's necessary. That crown is heavy. He had to walk like that so it didn't fall off. 😂

[@peggyknecht5551]

You'll be Back always makes me crack up. It's the look on Jonathan Groff's face as he sings it.

[@peggyknecht5551]

King George is one of my Characters in Hamilton because he just makes me laugh hysterically. Did you know that King George was actually mentally ill? Historically, he was mentally ill, and would get so worked up that he would foam at the mouth. He would also make noises that sounded like: "Dat, dat, dat". Lin Manuel Miranda read this and wrote it into the song.

[@JustKels]

I’m so grateful Jonathan Groff was able to come back to shoot the pro shot

[@carolynv8979]

Okay but the pedestal isn’t a theatrical metaphor, people used to stand on soap-boxes in the town square to talk about their political positions. That detail is extremely literal 😂

[@Sam_Less]

You two should also react to Jorge other musical he made before Epic, it is actually partially inspired by his life

[@CFEntertains]

I've been wanting to do that ever since I heard about it - Maybe we can check it out on Open Arms Reactions!

[@alinitititita]

mortius represents me every time I see Jonathan Groff

[@Gremlin_Boi_]

The absolute goblin mode Casper went on when the king showed up XDD

[@reallollabunny]

Casper, not a spoiler: as others have already told you, King George III is also known as the Mad King because he became slowly insane during his rule. pay attention to his character throughout the musical and you might notice his disease progressing (though he was plenty unhinged in this first song lol)

[@bfairfax7783]

Honestly, that's the only acceptable reaction one can have to Groffsauce appearing. He is everything

[@annetteschemer6876]

14:08 - "My favourite sheep" from now on 😂

[@littleflick]

For any Bridgerton watchers. King George in Queen Charlotte and Bridgerton is the very same King George in Hamilton. Two very different portrayals of The Mad King.

[@disableddragonborn]

I'll admit, on more than one occasion, I've attempted to sing/rap both Hamilton and Seabury's lines. Of course, it's impossible to sing overlapping lyrics at the same time with one mouth. 🤣

[@SilverGallowglass]

Now I need a Mortius cover of "You'll Be Back"! Who else?! Also, 14:08 🤣🤣🤣...I wasn't prepared...I was so lucky I wasn't drinking water or something!

[@CrystaltheAroacekid]

I was drinking water I snorted and it went to my nose. It was worth it

[@Trintron46]

"There are so many good questions out there" I'm dying, yes, Soooo many! Can't wait to binge all the other Hamilton reactions that are out rn!!!!

[@disableddragonborn]

Thayne Jasperson, the actor for Samuel Seabury, is actually still performing Hamilton on Broadway to this day.

[@BooksAndEpicTheMusical]

Casper was just like a little kid when he saw the actor for the king and i loved it more than anything❤❤❤

[@tameniai]

The accent Jonathan is using is pure RP and I'm here for it.

[@dj_410]

I dont think I've every seen Mortius wanting to do a cover of a song so bad OR more suited to cover a song!!

[@CFEntertains]

omg hi DJ

[@Tilla00]

I'm so excited! It's been so much fun watching you react to epic together

[@dragansnyder2786]

Imagine being the poor SOB who Jonathan locks eyes with, suddenly you have King George III staring at you like a rabbid animal foaming at the mouth, that would kind of be terrifying

[@katiewisz4691]

You skipped my favorite line in the whole show! "Don't modulate the key then not debate with me!"

[@charaglitchwitch674]

"he's a king look at him" then said more quietly "oh no i have to hate him" fucking loved that

[@meredithchandler73]

The classical piece you were referencing is Pachelbel’s Canon in D. One of my FAVORITE pieces. Those of us of a certain age will remember the song being the underscoring from a GE commercial.

[@beffymcbefferson74]

These songs might actually be my two favorites in the entire show. They’re so witty and well performed 👏🏻👏🏻

[@jcompton8507]

"Don't modulate the key then not debate with me" is one of my favorite lines. 🤣🤣🤣 Did you cut it during editing? Or did you skip it accidentally?

[@meredithchandler73]

Love all the references to King George and madness. So perfect!

[@sarahhandberg5185]

I’ve never thought of the “when you’re gone I’ll go mad” until now. Bc he was mad - mad king George (he was at this point too but it only got very obvious afterwards) Fun fact: after Washington died, king George was convinced that his ghost haunted him

[@risperdude]

Hamilton does such a great job depicting King George's pure insanity.

[@freshparchment]

All of the word-matching in "Farmer Refuted" further gives an 17th/18th-century feel (along with the harpsichord) because it's creating verbal counterpoint. Counterpoint was a technique that Bach and other composers used during that era where two parts would meet, then harmonize, then go into different variations, then join again...Miranda's doing that with the lyrics rather than the music. Brilliance!

[@MelissaDiemer-q8l]

Jonathan groff also voices kristoff in frozen.

[@corvus1374]

Groff walked like that because the crown was so heavy

[@djwilson1993]

4:02 ⚡️

[@hannahharper7799]

only normal reaction to jonathan groff

[@Zetorkaa]

4:34 I like to think that Mortius doesn't replace Seabury with principal Skinner, but rather with Jane Seymour because he's still in his Six era 😂👑

[@LittleBirdsSinging]

Gotta love the Groffsauce (fandom name for Groff and his spit). Also, fun historical nod with "When you're gone, I'll go mad" because King George III did in fact go mad.

[@scifigeek14]

Saw jgroff in this show on broadway but he didn't stage door that night :(

[@corinnecivish7673]

Anyone that's used to seats in the first few rows of big Broadway musicals, know it's a splash zone. All that projecting, saliva is going to get loose sometimes. Same in midsize concert hall venues. Liza Minnelli was a notorious sprayer, as was her mother Judy Garland.

[@reneepope-munro8115]

I see it more as the rapping I indicated wit, and also a revolutionary spirit, whereas traditionalists and royalist are singing in standard measure/tempo. I don’t honk that’s such an amazing detail

[@volran]

All hail our new OAR Overlord ❤

[@sinswept]

It's fun that Casper mentions upper classes trying to use propaganda to stop revolution or progression, as the publications this song was based on was Hamilton refuting Samuel Seabury, who signed his letter A W Farmer (short for A Westchester Farmer) but who was in fact a bishop. So probably far from working class in any capacity!

[@allisonbergh4429]

Ok so Mortius’s glee at showing a friend this show for the first time is 100% me showing people School Song from Matilda 😂

[@meaypie11]

I think this is the fastest I've been to see y'all's videos after upload without alerts. 😂 I love these series you're doing together. ❤

[@IvanIsYda_]

My bf looooves loves loves King George. He sings it so often, it’s adorable

[@disableddragonborn]

KG3 is like if a toddler became a tyrant and was mentally unwell. I had read quite a while ago that he behaved erratically because of a disease that he had, but when I went to look up what disease caused his madness, (I was thinking syphillis) I found quite a few articles saying that modern day analysis of his letters suggests he may have suffered from bipolar disorder. Jonathan Groff's salivation, despite some people's belief, isn't an artistic choice to reflect the King's madness. He just has a very moist mouth and apparently that happens with him a lot.

[@annekeener4119]

I think Jonathon Groff’s spitting is a mix. The man is a spitter but there are tricks singers can use to try to minimize it. It’s said Groff did the opposite before going on stage as KG3 is described as foaming and spitting at the mouth when he had his fits of madness.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@annekeener4119 I'd read it was just that he has a really wet mouth. 😂

[@badamb401]

Always love to see you making reactions together guys! And Mortius please spare my life

[@disableddragonborn]

4:34 I'm sorry, "Seymour"? 😂

[@__Black_Sheep__]

You definitely need to watch Spring Awakening. It's the single greatest piece of art ever created and it stars Jonathan Groff AND Lea Michele of Glee

[@music_and_other_random_thi1330]

SPOILERS DON'T LOOK CASPER I think the rapping or not has to do with political progress. The revolutionaries do most of the rapping, if I remember correctly. Eliza doesn't rap because she's not focused on politics or legacy, she's focused on family. Seabury and King George don't rap because they're loyalists who want to maintain the status quo. And here's something interesting: in Jefferson's first song, the style is jazz, which is an older style of music, because Jefferson has been in France for a while. He missed the war and the Constitutional Convention, so he comes back to America with little understanding of the political climate. But Jefferson does rap in act 2 because he's trying to help develop the country.

[@StormTalara]

Oh… my… gosh…!! I only just realised that King George’s song (You’ll Be Back) is a lot like the Welcome Back, Kotter theme. 😮😅

[@alashandra]

Fantastic reaction! Love you and Mortius together. Haven't seen it mentioned by anybody else, but when Lin Manuel-Miranda was writing this, he went with a lot of rap and some singing. Mostly in various America-centric styles. But King George? His style is meant to be reminiscent of the Beatles.

[@ammaleslie509]

I think this harpsichord sound is taken directly from the Beatles (Fixing a Hole)

[@maliciouslyContent]

"teas- SILENCE"

[@NessaHD]

based Jonathan Groff enjoyer

[@lunaponce4068]

You’ll be back is my mums favorite song so I always sing it for her. I even sang it for my schools talent show on my senior year, in a full crown and cape set up

[@montavious4748]

I love the editing, so funny

[@kory_misun]

Casper, if you need more Jonathan Groff, he's the lead in Little Shop of Horrors now, as well!

[@Zo3yX]

that damn sheep almost killed me. i didnt expect it lol

[@lasombraprince69]

i love how autistic his reaction is ... that's so precious hahahahaha mutch love!!!

[@itzjamjamcrew]

So a thing I noticed. Lafayette pushed Hamilton forward first and then Burr pushed him back. Then Lafayette being his funny silly little goofy self had an attitude about it then pushed him forward again.

[@genesisblaise3191]

i saw that yall are through the full reaction so i can sorta spoil here, "is he in jersey?!" initially that line is just funny cause in america jersey has a stereotype of a bit of a northern florida, just not a great place so the audience just laughs like oh he's being disrespectful asking if he's in a dumpster fire of a place, at least i did at first (stereotypically i mean no offense to ppl from new jersey) but we learn later that back then jersey is the place where duels take place so hamilton really just uttered a death threat to the king

[@disableddragonborn]

1:49 "A royalist"? I'm 100% using that instead of the actual label, loyalist. I love it.

[@disableddragonborn]

I was going to refute your claim that Jonathan Groff did the best cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody" with Brendon Urie/Panic! At The Disco, but then I realized I can't honestly refute it, because I've never heard his cover.

[@Bestdressedveggie]

Hamilton itself is amusing but your reactions make it funnier lol keep up the great work!