He Said "I CALL" & FOLDED! [Brad Owen Is SHOCKED!]

[@PokerCoaching]

Do YOU think this was an angle? 🤯

[@koldtoftkim]

Not an angel, but the face mask does not help.

[@itskmillz]

No because it's not a very smart angle even if it was intentional, imagine you angle yourself into getting stacked when the floor rules "you said I call" lol

[@tphuynh85]

Not an angle, but can be confusing.

[@mkayultra3738]

I reas the title as is this an angel? With a picture of Brad Owen and thought what kind of question is this of course!

[@T3n50r]

@@tphuynh85Which should qualify it as an angle (or a call by the dealer) even if it wasn't intentional. Got to deem it as angle shooting, or else you open up a can of worms nobody likes to be a part of. Some learn it the hard way that you don't use the words "I call you" lightly, "I'm going to flip a coin on this one. If it's heads I call" would be a much better phrasing to make sure people get what you're planning to do. "Heads I call you" doesn't cut it. However, since the guy is new he should be told what's what without any further issues and in a nice way. Still tho dealer should be on Brad Owens side here since he almost showed his cards.

[@drinkyomilk2793]

This is why anytime an opponent acts using a verbal action, I make the dealer confirm it. I've seen waaaaay too many angles.

[@levijones7611]

Exactly.

[@YTSparty]

exactly, never trust a player's action. Just interact with the dealer.

[@kevl1747]

I’ve had a dealer tell me a player has called my bet, I didn’t see or hear anything. I looks at opponent and ask have you called and he just sat there looking at me. I felt like it was supposed to be obvious that he’s called and he’s looking at me a if to say of course I’ve called the dealers just told you. So I wait a few seconds feeling awkward then reveal my hand. He says I didn’t call and the floor didn’t do anything it was just a dealers mistake. Next hand. I will make them put the chips in so there’s no confusion on the camera

[@michaelstephens9852]

​@kevlyth1712 just have the dealer confirm. If he doesn't answer call the clock.

[@albasuna]

@@kevl1747 If the dealer confirms he called and the player doesn't correct the dealer for some time the floor should rule in your favor. Shit situation regardless.

[@justmatt9354]

Brad Owen was shocked? Your title is an angle

[@JD_tcb]

Fr😂

[@RedHEADEDmOnkey]

:-O

[@MrCEO-1]

😂😂😂

[@Rafiki568]

LOL best comment

[@Just_Pele]

I had similar happen to me at MGM Harbor playing 2/5 and it turns out the guy was a known angle shooter. A manager was right behind him and was not having any of it, even though the coin landed heads, signifying he would call, but after seeing my reaction he tried to fold and threw his hand in the muck. "Nope, you called and you're paying him, and that's your last hand here too."

[@zeebags9885]

Wow, great story. But unusual the manager was right there to enforce the call. Sometimes harder for a dealer in that situation would think.

[@steeloned]

Why ban the guy? His money is as good as anyone's when he retries this and simply is ordered by dealer to put it in.

[@Just_Pele]

@@steeloned They take a firm stand against angle-shooters, and that's one reason why I like playing there.

[@leoyuan3f]

Floor shoulda waited for him to pay before banning. Cause if he knows he's banned, he can legally refuse to pay and just take the ban.

[@ed5308]

Had same angle shooter at our table said to opponent " I guess I going to have to call you" The floor man was behind the table and knew this guys moves. He told him verbal is binding. The guy went bonkers and claimed he was thinking and did not make the call. He was 86'd and I have not seen him since.

[@terrysteffen4768]

Probably no angle, but you provided a great live lesson

[@gregorythomas531]

Yes great lesson

[@tomhuang5266]

I don't think it is an angle, but that player should be more careful next time, if he wants to do a coin flip, picking card or whatever to help him decide, he should just do it like Doug did.

[@noex100]

​@tomhuang5266 Or just don't use the words "call" and "fold".

[@OMCPoker]

A less experienced player, no angle.

[@jimbojones9118]

Dude even threw a coin in the middle. That's an angle

[@mp3vault]

That was an awful lot of verbal diarrhoea to get to what turned out to be a big poker anti-climax. I feel violated.

[@danielhurst8863]

I don't care that verbal is binding; until a chip goes over the betting line, I act as if it is not a call. This is because people talk, and I've personally witnessed way too many issues with a "verbal" including one that did not include the players in the hand, where someone says call, or "I'd call" and the dealer thinks a player said "I call" This way, I don't have to worry about whether I heard the person across the table correctly, or that the dealer got it right. Plus, where I play, there are many foreign players, and dealers are human and sometimes hear something that sounds like call or fold, but isn't even English.

[@TopCheese81]

Did he not flick a chip into the pot?

[@MrAgmoore]

verbal isn't binding. Bart Hanson said that someone can verbal one way, and take their chips & go home, probably resulting in a ban from the casino. The chips have to cross the line.

[@TopCheese81]

@@MrAgmoore but a chip crossed the line no?

[@MrAgmoore]

@@TopCheese81dude he flipped a coin onto the table.

[@TopCheese81]

@@MrAgmoore did ge also not say something about a call?

[@AstraLicious1]

You should never open your cards quickly. Better to ask the dealer if it's showdown, especially in big pots.

[@MichaelJacksonOfficial2017]

I don’t think the guy meant to angle, Brad. But he definitely needs to be a lot more careful moving forward.

[@jestertlsodx9897]

No angle. These guys love the vlog and they play a friendly game for the most part especially if it was a meet up game which don't know if it was or not.

[@pokerqAK47]

That’s why I always clean my ears before going to play and do nothing until the dealer confirms the action 😅

[@twelch12]

Angle him back "Well looks like you got me"

[@Namdrahsirhc]

Do the shoulder slump too

[@dm6187]

Haha you guys are good

[@StreetSoulLover]

Just to explain the point regarding bluffing with pairs in this hand in GTO land. Because there are so few bluffs, you actually have to begin reaching in to some value hands to ensure you are bluffing at the right frequency.

[@randylahey8207]

That's what I was thinking, like AK with the K spades or similar AQ. The sb's line reeks of strength and hands that would showdown usually need to be moved into the bluff category as the board becomes more coordinated to push out made but vulnerable hands exactly like the A10 he had or even a set of dueces. Tough spot to balance, but there are answers...

[@Lammms]

Two days ago, I was playing 1/2 in London's poker room. It was a 3-way pot and I'm involved and in last position to act, the pot was very tiny single raised pot. when the first player is still thinking his action, the middle player said "Allin" out of a joke or the word voiced out a bit loud in his conversation. Dealer and I both heard that word but I knew that he didn't trust mean that(he's just a rec). However, the dealer took it very serious and called the floor and the floor ruled him to go allin. And you know what... I flop and Top pair of Q and I admit I'm not kind enough to give up this free money. I called and won the pot, he had like 250 pounds ish~

[@kingmo565]

No, definitely wasn't an angle.

[@randy-eg5gf]

I think actions such as these should be banned and the violators should be forced to fold ...

[@es330td]

This person was just being goofy. I've seen people actually do that and flip a coin to decided a fold or call. I think the lesson here is "Don't be cute at the table." I don't think it was with malicious intent.

[@tphuynh85]

Live, I can see why its confusing and the fun ways to decide. In a tournament, I would just call the floor

[@mumblesbadly7708]

Not an angle. Just a rec player who literally used a coin flip to make the decision facing a decent prospect of a bluff.

[@lamariusdsp420]

Does the coin have tails on both sides? Then definitely an angle

[@since1876]

What's the link to the original so I can see GOOD commentary?

[@zechsmerquise3132]

even though Brad won the pot, he lost some money in theory. he didn't earn money from the implied odds that he needed in order to draw for the river. if he proceeded to bluff a non-spade river, he would've lost even more because villain almost always has a super strong hand here. incredible discipline from the villain here, and he also knew he couldn't fold on every single spade river, thus the coin toss.

[@diceman5541]

Bet size on the river: Going polar with the nuts makes perfect logical sense, typically.. However, in this spot when the best hand your opponent is likely to have is a set with straights and flushes live I like going closer to half pot to get those curious 2 pair hands to call as well.

[@alexandruion7660]

To avoid all confusion a binding decision to call should be when a player tosses a chip over the calling line.

[@McRuffin]

I think your analysis throughout this hand is spot on. I don’t know if there’s any reads on villain. I think Brad played this well. By the time we get to the river I’m expecting villain to have ATs+ TT or maybe even AA. Most opponents at these stakes I’d imagine aren’t going to check raise flop with anything but AT+ and TT,and lower flush draws. I don’t see villain 3 betting 22 from the sb. On the river if he did balance his (edit:check raise ) range on the flop with a flush draw, when we get here on the river, a huge bet makes sense on the river. I would have went 1.5x-2x pot because there’s so many value hands in villains range. Jon, your analysis is great and I think Brad played well. Good job, good work Brad and JL.

[@jigsaw6246]

Disagree that Brad played this hand well, big mistake calling the $400 on the turn. As I watched, I also put his opponent on AT+, and there is next to no chance the opponent folds if Brad misses his nut flush and tries to bluff big. He is not getting the right odds to make his flush, so I don't get Jonathon's assessment on calling the turn. Also, never felt the opponent was angling.

[@McRuffin]

@@jigsaw6246 i think calling turn is better than raising or folding. Sure he can’t bluff river when the flush misses. But he’s putting in 400 to win potentially win the whole stack. His implied odds are really good. I was also putting him on AT. And turns out that’s what he had. I think risking 400 to win 3,000$ is good. The only thing I don’t agree with is the best sizing on the river. I think he should have went much bigger.

[@jigsaw6246]

@@McRuffin OK, at least you agree that a river bluff would be a huge mistake. My main point is calling the turn with plan B as a big river bluff is a loser move. Implied odds, well maybe. Spade on the river is not a backdoor flush, this is not an instant call.

[@Dynamice1337]

@@McRuffin But he isn't risking $400 to win $3000. He can't rely on his opponent calling off his stack every time Brad rivers his flush. He couldn't even get called on a pot sized bet, he sure isn't getting called on an overbet jam. His opponent isn't going to call the big polarizing shove on the end, so much of brad's flatting range on the turn is Axss (Please see the actual hand to see how this applies.) Plus the effective stacks are $2100 after the turn call.

[@McRuffin]

@@Dynamice1337 yes but we don’t know that when we place the bet lol. Poker is a game of im incomplete information. He may have found a call, we’ll never know. And you can’t say you would know. Because if Brad did over bet, villain may have seen that as a polarizing bet and may have called a 1.5x bet because he reads the situation as a bluff. We’ll never know. But Brad played it well, but I disagree with the river sizing

[@GregBerning]

I think the bigger angle was you using brads picture as portraying that this is his video.

[@thearmyflyer4905]

Yeah exactly, blogging another bloggers video that re-analyzes an analysis of a poker hand.

[@michaelestes3227]

It's clearly his page why would one you think it's Brad's video?

[@BrapNeeflap]

He's got to make money out of poker somehow 😂

[@bjrrn29]

Reaching for the cards is a big tell, since it shows that Brad is eager to reveal is hand (the nuts). Even if this was not intended as an angle, it’s a great example of how angle shooters can get an edge.

[@notallowed337]

I ran a bluff on a guy on the river abd my opponent goes into the tank. He cuts out the size of the bet while eyeing me while doing it. He starts a motion ad if to call and i immediately start to flip my hand ny instinct because i wanted to know what he was tanking with. My immediate motion caused him to pause and he them mucked. Im sure that it appeared that i was confident in my hand and thats the only reason he folded. Initially i thought it was simple as that but now i believe he angled himsef out of a pot that he definitely wouldve won.

[@gregoryschmidt1233]

Glad you got that one through, but you need to curtail your "instinct".

[@notallowed337]

@gregoryschmidt1233 my instict was simply that I wanted to see his hand. I don't do the "you're good" angle expecting my opponent to show when I'm the one that's obligated to.

[@andrijaarapovic5654]

What an awesome video, having Jonathan comment on Brad's hand. I an also Brad's follower, but Jonathan has turned a good original video into something greater 😍 Thx! PS: I myself play aggressively and a little of times on the river, while holding nuts I "push" my opponents into fold (I do bluff a lot and many times, especially on tricky boards which suit my loose range well, I tend to push tight players off the hand - basically this is intented as I am bluffing. However I tend to keep up the same high betting on the river as well. Sometimes some players do pay this high bet, but in most cases they fold. Jonathan's videos DO help me realise this and I am trying to adapt) Thanks again Jonathan and also Brad 🙏

[@PokerCoaching]

Glad you liked it! I appreciate that

[@bigj200016]

Unlikely was an angle But that said, if there’s any doubt in your mind what the opponent’s action was, don’t be afraid to ask the dealer.

[@MichaelJacksonOfficial2017]

I had a player grab a stack of chips and make a motion over the line as if he was calling. I was new to poker at this time and had the effective nuts. I too nearly turned my cards over but the guy definitely saw me reach for my cards, pulled the stack back and folded. I asked the dealer to call the floor and they checked the video and forced him to give me an extra $200 for the call.

[@FishPoker]

What if in say ALL IN and my opponent throws his circular CARD PROTECTOR into the middle....is that a call?

[@KevinsKontentKorner]

You say all in you’re all in

[@gnoel5722]

@@KevinsKontentKornerNo he means the opponent "fake caller" who throws a card protector in without saying a word. That is an interesting question and would be a genius angle.

[@denisfolcik1373]

Should be a call because they obviously did it for a tell.

[@jigsaw6246]

@@gnoel5722 Genius angle?? I call that a sleazy move.

[@qbishop1]

Whenever a player says or acts anything like Brads opponent did, I ALWAYS assume that he's angling. I've played tables in a lot of states and this kind of thing happens ALL THE TIME! In my experience: It's best to wait for the dealer before reacting. More often, the dealer will fix every problem that could arise. And if not him then it moves up the ladder and the floorman will step in.

[@brianpotter2812]

I didn't perform an angle, but I had AA once and was thinking about calling my opponent's 1/2 pot bet on the river. I started reaching for my chips to count them and he IMMEIDATELY grabbed his cards like he was over excited to get paid. I hesitate and think for a minute, then fold my aces face up (there were 3 close spades to each other, I had the Ace of spades in hand) and sure enough he had the straight flush. I had 3 people at the table gasp when they saw me fold those and I NEVER revealed the guy's tell :) It's not an angle if someone gets too excited before you complete your action....just remember to always look left or watch your opponent to see what their reaction is before committing.

[@DatAceTho]

I used to play against a Russian mobster who had a tell of twisting an Oreo.

[@odysseusnissan]

$800 would've got a call. It probably wasn't an angle...but he needs to be told not to say it like that ever again.

[@levijones7611]

Never rush to turn your hand over after making a large river bet. Wait for opponents chips to go in the middle, or the dealer confirm it.

[@oldterry9476]

no I've seen people use a coin flip more than once to make the decision angle shooters usually show other behaviors over a long session

[@beatingu8347]

Not sure but that’s why you never reveal until you get confirmation.

[@charleswaldon8362]

I don't suspect this was intentional, however I think that this was terrible word choice, and in anywhere I play this would have been a call most likely.. I call.. is binding everywhere.

[@jagsnumberone88]

Had something sort of similar happen to me in a tournament once. I was in seat 9 and the opponent was in seat 2. The dealer was more interested in chatting with the guy in seat 5 or 6 then what was going on in the hand. I had placed a pretty good-sized bet (I had the nuts, and this guy was a calling station type). The opponent said, I probably should call, (I only heard the word call, because of the dealer being between us and talking). The opponent shows his cards (while keeping them in his hand) and the dealer looks at me and says, you need to show. I flip over my cards to show the winner. But when the dealer told my opponent how much he owed, he was like, why? He's like, I never called, in fact, I didn't call or fold yet. And the players at his end of the table verify his claim that he never did say one way or another (apparently, he was showing his cards to get a reaction out of me, as he had a big hand, just not as good as mine). After the dealer called the floor, it was decided that the dealer made a mistake, and he was allowed to fold (because of the other players verifying what he said). I was pissed (for obvious reasons). I asked the floor to remove the dealer from the table. They refused. I found out later that night that the dealer in question usually works cash games and not tournaments, and the opponent is known for being a big tipper in those cash games. It would be hard to prove that they colluded together, but something seemed fishy. It was the last time I played at that casino and about a year later they closed the poker room down (Belterra Casino in Florence, Indiana). In the years since, I've heard a lot of stories about "mistakes" being made (like not the right amount of chips after a "chip" up during a break, wrong number of chips taken for a multiple all in situations, etc.

[@DoubleBarrelRiot]

Not sure if its an angle, but its definitely naïve of the opponent to think that in that busy loud room his entire sentence would be heard clearly. Fan of the blog or not, I think he got off very lightly being allowed to fold tbh.

[@DoubleBarrelRiot]

Looking back, is it an unintentional angle? Announces heads I call and tosses the coin in - if Brad wasn't as alert as he was, he most likely would have turned his cards over. Would that have given the guy the out to be able to say "well I didn't throw a chip in?" if it landed heads and he saw he was behind? And if it was tails and Brad was bluffing, what happens if Brad mucked his cards but the dealer/other players confirm that tails meant he was folding? Seems too complicated to be an intentional angle, any forward motion like that is confusing... which is why I hate watching time chips in big tournaments. Maybe I'm just thinking too much into it. Great video either way, thanks Jonathon!

[@TopCheese81]

​@DoubleBarrelRiot I know what buddy was trying 2 do but when he announces call or throws the chip in can't brad turn over the winning hand at that point?

[@robw9963]

Especially wearing that mask where nobody can understand you anyway.

[@krellis1000]

When I was a dealer 5 years ago, conditional statements weren't binding

[@gregoryschmidt1233]

So what was considered binding? chips going over the line?

[@krellis1000]

Absolute verbal statements ('Call' etc) and releasing chips onto the table. There was a short list of acceptable statements in the rulebook, with a recommendation to players to avoid anything else. As a player now I don't trust anything until it's confirmed by the dealer.@@gregoryschmidt1233

[@zeebags9885]

Great analysis as usual. Thanks for posting and using one of my favorite vloggers in an example

[@PokerCoaching]

I appreciate that!

[@WokeSteve]

Yes,don't do anything until sure what is happening.

[@robw9963]

I'm not a piece of shit angler, but if someone WERE to pull this coin toss as an angle, you could easily angle him back by saying "good call."

[@kevinjohnson4498]

I like the big bet on the river. Brad value range on the river is going to be almost exclusively strong flushes (weak fds should fold on the turn). Does AJ even want to bet here? We probably should be bombing our flushes and bombing any hand with a big spade that gets to the river here. AxQs, Ax9s, Ax8s type hands. The hard part is finding the right bluffs but with our betting range so polar, allin may even be the theory play.

[@jeffshackleford3152]

Yes, but he could also have hearts, like KhQh. That is why he has to bet big to basically say " it is nuts or nothing, you decide V". I think he gets too many folds with all in, but Brad is pretty capable of jamming that river, into the nuts if he thinks that is the best play. Sometimes you jam into the nuts, which is always fun and funny. I don't think you have to find the perfect combos, just combos that would make good combo draws if they were suited. I think people try to balance too much, and maybe get a little obsessed with actual balance instead of picking the line that will win the most money. Everyone is imbalanced, you just have to figure out how and pick the line that wins.

[@damienvillano4044]

I recently had a guy raise my flop bet to all in. He had been bluffing repeatedly and losing to third pair all night. I had AK suited on AA9 board. I talked it out saying I was only behind two hands, A9 and 99. I was only player left in pot so no conflicts. I did say i didn't think I could fold, which I probably shouldn't verbalize in case he was bluffing. I called and of course he had 99 😢

[@davids4063]

So happens he did NOT say, “ tails I fold”. Thus retaining the option to call even if its tails, based on Brads reaction. I’m all for reading the opponent, but this isn’t “Simon says”, it’s poker. Anyway It could turn into a negative freeroll, where when villain folds Brad can call the floor to say he heard “I call” and potentially get a ruling to call, unless grab is bluffing in which case he will take the pot.

[@bradykrizanic1947]

No angle

[@thisismyyoutubecommentacco6302]

Honestly I just hate when people play these stupid little fuck fuck games like "oh I'm gonna flip a coin" or other nonsense. Dude, just make the decision, because at best it's just a waste of time, and at worst, you end up in these stupid angle-ish situations where it really sounds like you were hoping to bait him into turning the cards over so you could run back and say "no no I said I was flipping a coin to decide". This type of stupid shit isn't "fun", it's not "funny", it's just annoying and time consuming. People seem to forget that there is 6-8 other people at the table likely no longer in the hand who just want you to make the decision and move on. The desperate cry for attention just comes off as embarrassing.

[@gregoryschmidt1233]

Well said. just play cards.

[@deanalbertson7203]

Like Doyle Brunson would sometimes say, "push the money in, to show you are serious."

[@tym8091]

No that was their randomization. Seen people do that a lot of times without saying what he said. Once you see the coin, you know it's not an angle.

[@davids4063]

The coin being tossed in looks like a chip… it’s part of the angle

[@tym8091]

@@davids4063 DEFINITELY not, he's flipping it to make a decision. Far from an angle. Seen it many times at cash games. He even said CLEARLY "(If it's) HEADS, I CALL"). The flip happened to be tails so he folded.

[@cjwelch2414]

Guy the other day at 2/5 said on river “ I have no choice but to call “ then flips his hand over. I show the Winner and he said he didn’t call. Floor ruled that it wasn’t a call. Been playing for a long time and never seen that happened, opens up a lot of doors for angles

[@auckman2281]

OMG, how can that not be ruled a call? Does he have to say " I call, promise, cross my fingers and hope to die"?

[@cjwelch2414]

@@auckman2281 shocked me. Asked for second ruling and all. I’m guessing because he didn’t move any chips in. They said “he didn’t say call”. Whole table thought he called.

[@tophercabba]

@@cjwelch2414 welp if i was you i wouldnt be playing at that casino anymore , that is beyond sketchy

[@goodcopbadcop9872]

Floor was probably his buddy. They are all degenerate gamblers. Find a new house.

[@JMarston1984]

I don't think it was an angle. Just an honest mistake.

[@worlddebtnow2057]

One time i said "i can't believe I'm gonna fold this". Then tried to call,floor threw my hand away😂

[@MrPlazaPlayer]

Nah not an angle in my opinion. Drink often effects decisions especially in Vegas and also inexperienced players to although at $5/10 not really. I could very well do the same if it was a friendly table and we are having some fun. But absolutely 100% thank you Johnathan for the tip re make sure you know what’s going on before revealing your hand. I’m probably one of those who would have turned my hand over when hearing the I call regardless of the heads word at the front of that sentence lol. I really hope I get to play live poker again some day if I ever sort my chronic pain out which is ruining my life :( Great video JL

[@FREAKIE90]

i play live poker since i know myself, it's an angle, unintentional, but an angle

[@joeyp3094]

If Brad missed his flush and the heart came, assuming your opponent has A10 or A2, I think 800 may get called. Brad must have thought the same and was going for $1200 in both cases. I'm also assuming this is a player he has some history with or played with for a while, otherwise none of that matters lol

[@richardcharleswilliams8465]

No angle. Just somebody who wanted to make sure they made the vlog.

[@terencehill3972]

everything fair and straight here

[@bwmacallister]

Man... Based on the way it payed out, when he said 1200 on the river i was like 😮😢. Think he would have called $500-$700?

[@fuhkerz]

If it wasn't an angle, he almost certainly would have called. If his story is true, he had flopped 2 pair and was basically using the coin as a way to talk himself into folding it against such a large bet.

[@DatAceTho]

But you can't call a pot sized bet with ~20% equity if you're only going to get a half pot when you hit. The implied odds don't work out. If Brad has some bluffs, too, he makes money when his opponent folds to those. And you need a big size for that, usually.

[@tehf00n]

If you need a coin to decide if you are calling a pot sized raise, you don't belong at the table.

[@michielvanv2507]

You belong on my table though :)

[@illpoet13]

I don't think this was an angle I think the guy made a mistake. If the guy didn't follow the coin flip and folded with heads then for sure it was an angle bc the guy probably noticed Brad going straight for his cards.

[@billysikes1374]

I'd rather listen to Polk toot his own horn than Little talk

[@tophercabba]

? yet you came to watch the video lol are u dumb or u have a crush on jon lmao

[@SeanCumm007]

Oh yea that's an angle. He absolutely is going to get a read off Brad by doing that and it's also super easy to misconstrue as a call. Anyone can plead ignorance but that's not a credible or equitable defense. Throwing money (a coin) in the pot is the icing on the cake.

[@timothycooper4349]

I feel if he would’ve prolonged flipping the coin it would of been a angle

[@egidiminasegi534]

Brad should have angled him back and said: good call man (without showing his had).

[@RobertLee-wi5kc]

Someone explain why slow rolling is so bad. I was accused of sow rolling and was frankly afraid as I did not have the nuts. I won the hand but everyone hated me for not throwing them over and celebrating like I knew he was not as strong as me.

[@PokerCoaching]

It isn't...

[@jimyoung1615]

Thats not a slow roll. Play lomg enough and youll see this again. The winning player is unsure and takes time to call. But some players will think its an obvious call and are quick to accuse them. I tend to mark those players as overconfident in their abilities.

[@Reidski97]

I never make any action until i see chips go into the pot.

[@nftminter7922]

It could appear to be an angle if Brad had called him out on it. Although I don't think "angle" so much as "taking advantage ".

[@fredbloggs8436]

I don't believe it was an angle because he tossed the coin.

[@francisrodriguez2369]

yup. i thought the same. if it was an angle he would have said it then paused before actually flipping the coin onto the table.

[@armandosuba3427]

Brad would have a better idea than one of us watching this clip Lots of cues available face to face

[@derrickyegge1303]

No angle. You say I call you put the money in if you fold after that it's on you.

[@JQpoker]

I don’t think this is an angle, players like Doug Polk randomize and do that frequently

[@TiffMcGiff]

Angle shot title 😂 well played Jonathon

[@manfredullrich483]

Heads, isn't that Brad's nick name.... Meaning he called?😊😅🎉😂

[@artimes5542]

not even remotely an angle, he said "Heads I call", you can clearly hear it in the video

[@gregoryschmidt1233]

Seems unlikely in this case that the guy was angling, but that's a bad habit, and he's going to eventually find himself in trouble somewhere if he continues to do it.

[@MCFoultier]

Turn is call with the nut flush draw, but because it beats the bluffs. Thats the main reason

[@jeffthompson6248]

I dont think it was an angle, just a bad, lesser experienced player. In this type of situation, I try to always confirm through the dealer what the action was, however seeing any chip or coin being flipped over the betting line would make me think it was a call.

[@cial67]

It's not an angle. That's what people say. Heads I call, tails I fold. Heads we get burgers, tails we get tacos. And every poker room across America makes utterly random floor calls basically depending on how the floor manager is feeling at that moment lol. It's a joke

[@n8style]

opponent's not a noob but could do with more experience, could easily have been accused of angling if it had been another player you never react until you know 100% what the opponent has done

[@steventrostle1825]

Now I do not like playing cards of any kind and hate gambling-that said I do enjoy watching some players like Brad and Negraneau (sp?). I am a suspicious person and am always watching for a cheater but seldom almost never see one. I hesitate to call cheat here but I think that him saying I call you without any other considerations stated should have been called by the dealer as a CALL regardless of him saying heads and tossing a coin. It is a Cheap trick IMO

[@anthonyfox3491]

I don’t think it was an angle, probably a guy used to playing in looser home games. I’ve been in that spot and I always ask the dealer “did he act?” before doing anything.

[@billytringuyen1]

Dealer:" Are you calling or Folding?' Player:" Yes!"

I have watched many of Brad's videos and I think he makes this mistake WAY too often (betting WAY too large on the turn or river, such that you know the opponent will almost never call you.). This is a prime example, especially since the villain checked the river.... because villain checked river, Brad should have bet small (about 1/3 pot) so as to get paid with small sets, two pair, etc.

[@jeffshackleford3152]

Magnitude trumps frequency.

[@maxvalue8403]

No angle, just clickbait.

[@noThankyou-g5c]

first impression: if u muck how could u ever angle ? the only way i could see that being an angle is if you muck after ur opponent tables and u see youre losing but at that point I dont think you would really get the desired result. Your call would still count. I feel like an angle needs to be abusable to be an angle but lets see. Maybe it is

[@noThankyou-g5c]

Ok seeing it. I genuinely do think this could be abused. I don’t think it was meant to be angle but if I was angle shooter that’s what I’d want my angles to look like 😅

[@tophercabba]

@@noThankyou-g5c we used to do a thing like this at our home games , a guy bets on the river and he puts his head down so he cant see anyone and we dont say anything the other guy mucks and we wait lol and he says all in and guy brings his head up shocked pikchu face all confused and we laugh like nah he already mucked .we eventually stopped cause it wasnt funny no more and like pay attention dont care how high and drunk you are lmao

[@RestorationsFOD]

I genuinely don’t think this was an angle, just a mistake on villains part, in using the wrong verbal cue!

[@IkEisawesome7]

Definitely an angle imo. "Heads i call" sounds just like "Yes i call"

[@rodneyhigginson]

Wow, this is the first time I've heard this term. It most definitely seemed to me he was baiting Brad to flip his cards. Maybe it's just me. Nevertheless, educational, i learned something new today. 😆

[@Nikkithedog-t6b]

If it's an experienced player it's 100% angle.

[@Marksmaan]

I'd normally agree, but they're doing a lot of things they wouldn't normally do to make the vlog more entertaining. Sometimes mistakes happen when doing something you wouldn't normally do. Like the guys who fold face up when their are others in the hand. They don't normally show their cards so they made a mistake that seems obvious.

[@garyhughes5461]

No angle, just a JA rec... lesson here is to consider bet size better. Way too big. Also be more patient, when hear something clearly act, if not be patient, given more time watching me stare at the board induces mistakes.

[@robertjolley8715]

It depends on context at the table. It could go either way.

[@enemyfleet7139]

If he said "If heads, I call" and flips a coin/NON poker chip in.... not an angle.

[@racermike1946]

I WOULD HAVE CALLED THE FLOOR AND GOTTEN THE 1200 BECUZ THE GUY SAID I CALL AS PART OF HIS STATEMENT

[@soocool78]

Brad would have been in his right to do that. But also keep a few things in mind: 1) Brad is a content creator, and being a stickler to that and costing someone, a viewer espcially, 1200 would be a bad look 2) If the guy is a fish or even a whale, its a sure fire way to get them to leave 3) Depending on table dynamic it can make you a huge villain, (which i guess can sometimes be advantageous, if thats how you want to roll) Personally, I'd only call the floor if the guy was a complete asshole and has done similar actions to other players. But yes you'd be in the right for calling the floor.

[@ryanjones4150]

IMO Brad was getting 2-1 on his call on the turn and it is a disaster if he makes his hand and doesn't get another $800 at least on the river if he hits it. This, coupled with the fact that his opponents range has some sets when he check-raises the flop means that sometimes he only has 7 outs instead of nine, making his odds worse, AND there are reverse implied odds when board-pairing spades hit the river make it a clear fold on the turn, although I suppose if he's gonna pot it if a heart hits the river and wins a lot of those bluffs then I guess it's a different story.

[@michaelscott5382]

I agree. He should have folded on the turn. Not getting good pot odds. 9 outs at best. If villain has a set, T and 3 spade’s would give him a full house so 7 outs is probably correct. And the “implied odds” argument turned out to be null as the opponent folded the river when he has beat. Sometimes vlogers play bad hands just for the views. If the doesn’t hit the flush he would not have shown the video.

[@killemdeader1189]

Yea this is a fold unless you think your bluffs are +EV on other rivers, which, idk.

[@checkmugged]

It’s a clear fold on the turn assuming the opponent is a competent player.

[@jamespohl-md2eq]

lol no

[@JediMasterT]

Not an angle and I bet if he flipped his cards up he would probably would have been forced to call and if he was really 50/50 on it shouldn't have been too upset about it.