Head of the Snake Part 3: The Raid - Danger Close with Jack Carr

In May of 2011, Mark Owen crossed the Afghanistan-Pakistan border on a mission to capture/kill Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda - to decapitate “The Head of the Snake.”
But that night in Abbottabad, Pakistan is just a part of Mark’s story.
In this special four-part series of Danger Close, Jack sits down for an extended interview with Mark to discuss the story you haven’t heard. Starting with Mark’s childhood in a remote Alaskan community to his early days in the SEAL Teams to 9/11 and the sustained combat that followed to his selection and training for a team at the highest echelons of special operations, this is Mark Owen unfiltered, candid, and uncensored. Mark would go on to take part in high-profile operations like the mission to rescue Captain Richard Phillips from Somali pirates and the search for Bowe Bergdahl. He would later work his way up a stairwell in a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan and into a hallway where the most wanted terrorist in the world waited…
But, as Jack and Mark discuss, the aftermath of the raid would not only change the public profile of Naval Special Warfare, it would also alter the course of Mark’s life in ways he could have never anticipated.
IRONCLAD and SIG Sauer proudly present, The Head of the Snake: The Killing of UBL, a special Danger Close event.
About Part 3: The Raid
In part three of the Head of the Snake series, Jack and Mark do a deep dive into the raid that killed Osama bin Laden-no matter what you may have seen in the movies, this is a story with details you’ve likely never heard before.
Not only did last minute changes in Washington nearly cause a disaster for Mark and his team, but we also learn the methods used to infiltrate and clear the fortified compound. Jack also learns why the details of Bin Laden’s death can tell us so much about his life.
Mark Owen’s first book - No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission that Killed Osama Bin Laden
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Mark Owen’s second book - No Hero: The Evolution of a Navy SEAL
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[@thedoobie1]

I love how Mark just survived a chopper crash, gets on the ground, and his first thought is, "The guys are going to make fun of me if I don't get into this fight!" :D

[@alvinndunyu3007]

I have been waiting for this third part refreshing my KZbin recommendation every hour. Nairobi, Kenya

[@AKsusan907]

This is so incredible…..he, and you, are so humble. My heart goes out to this Alaska boy. Things he says resonate his growing up experience. ….chokes me up. So many points. And, both of you are so articulate. Not only in what you say, but in what you don’t say also. “The good idea fairies”…good analogy. I pray he/both of you…take a month or so….spend time on the Kusko, the Tikchik, float the Noatak, Chandalar Lake…(lots of bug dope). It has been an extremely long experience…..you have fought the good fight….. Grandmother point of view. Godspeed. Thank you for sharing. These experiences need to be told.

[@TxLeftridge]

BEST one you’ve done. Really something to listen to.

[@lesterlesoine9225]

Really enjoying this series jack, thanks for putting it together

[@rockylincoln8418]

Jack, brilliant episodes, what a great friend and brother you have in Mark Owen. Great stuff all round! Bravo!

[@smo1221]

Great interview. I wish you would have addressed why Mark's and Rob O'Neils story are different though. I always wanted one or both of them to explain it.

[@AIRCAV006]

what is different? curios on the details.

[@frankdee4579]

@@AIRCAV006 rob says he took the shots and now mark says he took the shot. So the question is which of those two seals actually killed Bin Laden

[@j.t.patton7820]

@@frankdee4579 Mark never said he took the shot. He said the "point Man" that killed Khalid was the 1 that killed Bin Laden.

[@emmaandaleenasfidget8896]

Rob says he’s the #2 behind the point man and so does mark…. Something is wrong here and that’s what I wish they would clear up. Unless there’s bad blood between rob and mark

[@LifeRuiner59]

@@j.t.patton7820 I have the the book “The Operator” ( Rob O’Neill’s book) and have read it twice. I’ve seen many of Robs podcasts, interviews and seminars (most of which are very similar, he tells basically, the same story every time! With varying degrees of detail…) With that being said, I’ve never heard Rob say he killed the man on the 2nd floor stairs (aka Khalid, right?) nor does he ever claim to be running point. Until arrIval on the 3rd floor.’ The way Rob describes it, is; after “Chalk Two”( (Mark Owen) crashes, and “Chalk One” (Robs chopper) lands outside the compound. They make their way to the compound Gate, and thats when his breacher has a failed breach (false door/ brick wall), once they make entry into compound.. my understanding is that basically it was all by happenstance who’d be the first man to pop Bin Laden, and likely would be in any other mission. At any rate, after the point man drops Khalid, I’m just going to assume 2nd in line was Mark Owen, as 3rd was Rob, it just so happened that Rob had no choice but to double tap that tall fuck! When the first 2 in the train were still clearing And then what y’all seem to forget, is as a team, they next guy is going to be throwing lead down range until the threat is over. I believe Occam’s Razor is in play here. So y’all can believe what ya want. I’m sure while Rob technically “Split” Bin Laden’s “Whig” first and Mark Owen was secondary to stitch him up. It just makes sense to me. I’m sure after the fact it’s easy to the facts twisted! Just my two cents

[@brianball6302]

Thanks so much for terrific interview. Hope your move went smooth. So psyched for #5!!

[@ApexSpectator36]

Jack you are the man for pumping these out back to back! Grabbed our attention and did not let us down! 🤙🏻 You and Matt (respectfully) gave this interview a raw genuine feel. Just two team guys bs'n in the garage. Thank you both for this gem and God bless you for everything y'all done🤙🏻🇺🇲

[@joesavant5490]

That's the damn truth. I was thinking, "Jack, don't make me have to wait half a week to hear the rest of this!" All the worry was for nothing, Jack came through for his fans as usual.

[@michaelm7422]

Yes he's great at fiction 🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🕺🏾🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅🦅Merica 🐓🐓🐓🐓 Cok a doodle doooo 🐫👳🏾‍♂️

[@Jack-oz4bf]

Lol wrong jack, i am definitely not jack Carr.

[@jmac3693]

I've listened to all of marks books. Great work. Thanks for all you all have done.

[@TheNextlevelProject]

I have tears in my eyes listening to the end of this episode. Thank you "Mark" and Jack. Your bravery, discipline and intellect are amazing!

[@cole590]

Why'd you put Mark in quotations but not Jack? Jack Carr isn't his real name either...

[@TheNextlevelProject]

@@cole590 got me why I did it. Probably tired needing sleeping. I don't care what his real name is ... I enjoyed the story.

[@LeDiamondDog]

Matt Bissonnette ?

[@94Zero]

Another very good show Jack. This is my favorite one so far. Your guest seems different from the 60 minutes interview, he is more relaxed. Nice work.

[@davelewis9040]

This series is incredible. I can listen to you guys all day. Being a guy working in a cubicle daily, I have nothing but respect for the evil you guys faced on a daily basis. Thank you for your courage and service!🇺🇸

[@themalhama9129]

But hey can these guys have that paper on your boss's desk by 12 noon sharp like you do?

[@michaelgriffin8059]

Thank you for making our home. I’m glad men like you guys are out there

[@chrismiles8225]

Can't wait for part 4! ✌️

[@knottssonasty3603]

This is so good. I’ve listened to this 5 times already. Awesome job fellas

[@mikespence2417]

Awesome interview fellas, love the honesty and openness .

[@whiterook8483]

I’ve really enjoyed this series. I ordered both of Owens books after the first installment. I have already read Carr’s books.

[@knottssonasty3603]

Man what an awesome interview. I was glued 👀

[@calsop2786]

Amazing interview. I’ve read the book - twice. But the interview offered a more personal and unique perspective. Unbelievable, after all those years of service at the highest level and being a part of the pinnacle mission of the century, he gets a misspelled plaque and nothing else. Staggeringly undervalued. Just a f****ing cog in the wheel man. I’m a paramedic. Occasionally people will come up to me while I’m on duty say, “Thank you for your service.” And I appreciate that. But what I do on a daily basis doesn’t even compare. I’m not willingly putting my life on the line. I’ve never seen my friends killed. I can’t imagine losing my partner. I’d be wrecked. All I can do is tell you I do not envy the sacrifices you’ve made. I’m not sure I have the fortitude to endure all that. And, thank you so much for serving.

[@e.tphone9039]

This is so dope thank u jack for part 3.🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@xymoriintus]

Many many many Americans have absolutely no idea who this man is or what he has done. A great example of the silent professional. Much respect to you Sir.

[@CWREDnYELLA816]

It’s the way that he doesn’t seek the attention anywhere near O’neil does. Matt is the man!

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Incorrect.

[@LifeRuiner59]

Jack, I admire your ability to be a bad ass pipe hitter, and yet a humble, ordinary dude at the same time. Just hearing you trip on gear, historical events, and how hyped you were for Mark on details of ops you didn’t get to go on aka Bin Laden raid, but are still happy for Mark! Good dude thanks for this 4 part series! Look forward to seeing “The Terminal List!”

[@ajcook7777]

Just a quick side note: his real name is not Mark it is Matt. Matt Bissonnette is his real name. See wiki here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Bissonnette_(author)

[@MrKeith57]

Thanks for that interview. Great content and fascinating.

[@bpartwthog3]

Extremely great story!! This man, this American soldier is one of the most solid individuals I’ve had the pleasure to listen too!!! To him and his fellow team members (the American military) job well done!!!!!!

[@barbarataychert4910]

I feel so privileged to hear this story. Thank you.

[@ThePhantommigkiller]

These videos are excellent , very informative , thank you both for your service and thank you for posting these videos. God Bless ! .... Frank McKinnon Sr.

[@SCBiscuit13]

Great episode. The part about the leaders and their willingness to fight was quite powerful.

[@zinoorr1056]

Simply awesome! This was an incredible experience listening to Mark. Wow!

[@johndavis6338]

Thank you. Phenomenal interview! The most powerful part of the whole 4 parts was when the team guy got home! He took the trash out.......his neighbor who lived accross the street went over and hugged him and said "You Never Know What your neighbor does for a living." For the memory of the 2,977 lives taken and to the lives of flight 93.

[@giovannicarosa8819]

Jack Carr I really like your setup, it’s rough and rugged not some fancy room with stuff sitting all over the place. Just you and your guest having a conversation in the garage. Video an audio is great. Very cool man!!

[@garretdozier9596]

GOD bless you Jack! Amazing (as usual) keep it going!

[@twotone1a]

Super professional, super humble, really impressive people. Thanks for sharing these stories. BZ from the UK 🇬🇧

[@darrenconn3847]

Agree!

[@joesavant5490]

As a USMC 03 vet, the Tangi Valley incident was very difficult to even read about, much less to have lost so many friends in. I have some numbers in my phone as well that have no one waiting at the other end to answer. This whole series was hard-hitting and powerful. I love the respect shown by bleeping out the names of other members involved in the raid. Now @jackcarrusa, JR needs to hunt down this goddamn sniper already!!!!

[@toynazi]

It's not respect. The guys they are talking about are still active.

[@rsrs5644]

Joe, Sir I agree completely.

[@egres234]

Thanks Mark for that piece of history you donated to the WTC Museum. We appreciate you and your teammates!

[@rTrax]

Man this is amazing! Loved listening to you guys, blows my mind! I envy you

[@cosmichef75]

Thank you for this series. I'll be buying both of your books today.

[@Jason-vn5xj]

How does this have anything less than 10M views?!? Incredible story incredibly well-told.

[@robbyrobinson4500]

This story has been out for years. The only thing it tells me is that the story the govt allowed Rob O'Neal to tell may be a lie. This guy clearly told this story to make Rob look like a liar. Sure the overall story is the same, but this guy refuses to say who pulled the trigger, and clearly gives a different story of how Big Laden was actually killed. He is only telling this story to create doubt on what Rob did. Rob may be the one lying, but don't be a chicken shit get on a podcast and discuss this with the person you may or may not be lying about. Same thing with Marcus Luttrell and his story. He has told it for yrs, but little shit changes. He claimed fighting 150 men, others who came later said the Intel said 10-12 guys. Also the guy who saved Marcus also tells a different story than him. The military allows these stories to come out. However they tell the story the way they want to make military sound amazing to young me so they join. It's propaganda just like Germany and Russia do

[@Steelers4life68]

Rob said his beard was gray, I'm not questioning either version, just glad it went down. Thank you guys, amazing!

[@Slim_45]

That’s huge discrepancy..given multiple photos were also taken of his face! The videos of him recovered at the compound of Bin Laden watching tv showed him with his natural grey beard..but a few months before his death he had trimmed his beard and dyed it for his first public video in years.

[@loriinalaska3512]

This series was so inspiring! I’m psyched I’ve moved to AK.

[@radiatingfuture1007]

The EOD guy prepping the compound for Charges 😂😂😂

[@internet_internet]

😋

[@MrBojangles2020]

The night Obama made that speech was one of the best ever!!I remember celebrating in the house and then seeing the news and people everywhere excited.amazing to know the boys were watching at the same time

[@ska66i6al]

Filled our faces with cake while the fish filled theirs with UBL

[@dfernandez3482]

I got one of Mark's books autographed. I found it at work one day, pretty cool find 👍

[@hanshart1472]

Amazing story and very well told! It’s corney but Thank You for Your Service!!! Deepest condolences for your Teammate.

[@papabear328]

I can't stop laughing every time I think of how brilliantly clever and funny it was to have Khalid play peek-a-boo to smoke him 😂🙌🏻

[@ROOSTER333]

Really appreciate you talking about Richard Marcinko man. Dude was a huge positive inspiration to me after I read rogue warrior

[@radiatingfuture1007]

Amazing thank you gentlemen

[@darbz2k]

I'm liking these before I even watch them!

[@corpsman1980]

I had a theory shortly after they announced it to the world. I guessed that the real shooter would never be known because competing stories would come out to muddy the waters and keep the secret safe. There are conflicts in all the stories... and being clever is what we expect from them. Who knows... big respect across the board.

[@orsotheshadowqueer7424]

I had a dream once where I met the real shooter.He told me he was born into slavery and began his military career at the battle of Mogadishu when he was 12 years old.If I told you what the rest of his resume was you'd never believe me so I'll just tell you what he told me about that night.He said the thing that still haunts him to this đây is not nearly dying in a parachuting accident right before the helo crash.Neither the angry mob,nearly coming to blows with Rob,Mark and the enterpreter nor the people he hađ to kill.He said he took a dump in the sand later on and realized he didn't have enough toilet paper tablets.After he took care of that too he was told he wasn't allowed to take shots with the rest of the guy's to help him come down off the adderall he was forced to take because they had to take him back to county jail to finish his sentence for public intox where instead of being paid 350,000 like the 2 ass holes that took him over there were they would electrocute the piss out of him instead to thank him for his service.He said he's not interested in all the king's horses and men putting humpty dumpty back together again as he's made peace with being a permanently SPLIT 🧸and if you think you're going to force him to give you a false confession you'll have to switch him then control his mind and speech or do so over his cold dead body which he says he wouldn't mind at all as he is vêry tired and isn't at all âfraid to stand before the Lord as you are trying to convince him hê should be and knows for a fact you who choose to go along with this evil should be.

[@Ludba-ex9pi]

@@orsotheshadowqueer7424interesting. I had the exact same dream

[@coolio5477]

@@orsotheshadowqueer7424wtf are you talking about

[@edw10297]

When he talked about the terp whispering Khalid’s name and him peeking his head, total goosebumps.

[@Skylyned]

Wasn't the terp. Was the pointman

[@mickfunny4185]

@Skylyned same pointman who killed BinLaden

[@alfarouqaminufor3892]

@@mickfunny4185 yeah and rob o'Neil wasnt the point man, interesting.

[@ObamaFromKenya]

@@alfarouqaminufor3892 Rob was never fluent in Arabic, the point man was, which is why he could call out Khalid

[@davidaldridge5716]

@@Skylyned he’s probably pulling from Rob’s description....in his sit down w Shawn Ryan Rob said the terp was point and plugged the guy on the 2nd floor Here Mark describes the same thing but says the point man is still in military Who knows I never wondered about the details until I realized the stories were so inconsistent 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@holdernewtshesrearin5471]

Incredible story!

[@famousbt1757]

Thank you!!

[@F3PIZZA]

One of the best recounts of the Captain Phillips ordeal came from one of the shooters, Terry Houin. I never knew black squadron was there until that Mike Drop Podcast. Funny dude. Edit: Apparently a Combat Controller was also a shooter? Maybe they had a shitload of shooters.

[@chriswourms4639]

Robert oneil said they dropped 100 seals in for that mission.

[@itchyb4403]

I’m so lost…… rob said he was #2 behind the point man, Matt says he was # 2 behind the point man, who was #2? Rob said UBL was standing when he entered and then he took the shot, Matt is saying the point man took the shot and when they went into the room UBL was already twitching on the floor - who killed him?

[@MrCashewkitty]

Rob's full of shit, that's why he's persona non grata now. Not taking away from his skills or service, that can't be denied. He just sold his soul for the $$$

[@safaqi01]

@@MrCashewkitty bro Admiral Mcraven said Rob is the one who killed UBL. The Pentagon approved Robs book. Marks book got destroyed by the Pentagon and they fined him like crazy

[@MrCashewkitty]

@@safaqi01 mcraven also claimed he saved the souls from a ww2 plane wreck and saw them ascending to heaven. It's on Jocko's podcast in his own words. NSW has a long history of fucking things up and then covering it up poorly. Watch Slab completely lie about the events with Chapman, not knowing that it was on ISR. But don't worry, NSW dod the right thing. They tried to block Chappy's MOH and made sure the liar got his.

[@Skylyned]

Next podcast they need to have them both on so they can argue it out and settle it for sure. I don't think either of them are really seeking fame and fortune, as both really emphasis it was a team effort. The fact that Matt never saw UBL standing behind his wife makes me think he might not have seen the whole picture. I did find it interesting that neither book really referenced the other guy - almost like they didn't exist in their respective stories

[@MrCashewkitty]

@L.E.B they have definitely had far more than their share of disgrace but I think as a whole, there are far more good dudes in the SEALS than bad. Leadership failed to nip that shit in the bud when it started. I think the administration at the time used them for publicity and NSW leaned into it as well. Part 4 digs into this a bit as well. Just imagine if CAG had done Cpt Phillips or Bin Dickface. We wouldn't know much about either operation and the mystique behind "Delta" would have grown even more.

[@BruceMusto]

Okay, am going to come back and revisit this after I get the book and read it.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Outstanding interview!! 👍

[@shaundavenport621]

Obviously as a Brit I'm super pro SAS but this guy is absolutely solid.I don't doubt for a second that he would fit into one of the SAS,s Sabre Squadrons perfectly. Very humble,very capable warrior.As they all were on that mission. Hat's off to you guys!😁👍👍👍👍👍

[@kingfinance1508]

I love that he paid respect to the 19 year old…men who refueled the helo’s…

[@jimmyjones6497]

Outstanding

[@earljohnson2676]

I herd jacks name for years now and I finally found you and subbed so I don’t loose this contact this is my kind of stuff . I wasn’t SF but did 4 deployments with the 82nd but still love all things military especially the spec ops world if I didn’t join at 35 I might of took a a few more chances

[@sar4x474]

Well,,,, one thing is glaringly obvious, Jack Carr needs to do a similar interview with Rob O’Neil.

[@gob7116]

So the pointman that took out Kalid was also the guy that took the headshot on UBL similar to Zero Dark Thirty apart from the supposed character Owen was based off of was not the TL in the movie as Owen took over after Jimmy? Was the movie based on Owen's book and so Rob only took the finishing shots once the breaches entered the room?

[@Montblanc1986]

Seems like he’s insinuating that Rob O Neill isn’t the actual guy

[@gob7116]

@@Montblanc1986 I think that many already had their doubts on Rob. Something just seemed off about him. I have no doubt he is a badass, but probably just took shots while UBL was already mortally wounded.

[@mickfunny4185]

@@gob7116 Rob did a canoe shot, split binladen head open when he was dead/about to bleed out on the floor.

[@gob7116]

@@mickfunny4185 yeah, I’m guessing this is it too. He “killed” him, but pointman probably hit UBL already. I wonder if Rob was the 3rd guy in the stack, or the 2nd. And if Owen was present in the stack or not. I’m beginning to think Rob’s just trying to discredit Owen by saying he wasn’t there as Owen is shutting down his claim to fame.

[@davidbrownell5441]

Powerful interviews.....

[@teddy.d174]

I love that the “mulch guy” is an intel officer on the side…🤣 Thanks for the fantastic interview, gentlemen…👏🏼

[@jakeb1140]

Great interview. Also would like to point out and I think he wanted to make it clear but not really say anything but that Rob O'Neill wasn't the shooter. He said the point man walked in the room and bin laden was on the ground. Then he said the point man would never come out and talk about it and he's still in. Assuming he's still at that command, Pentagon or something imagine all these people walking around you not knowing how much of a badass you are that you're the guy who whispered Khalid then pops him walks up the steps then kills his dad. Fucking badass I know it will never happen but boy I would love to his story about his life/career. Salute.

[@stevenvaldez4057]

Red killed bin laden oneil & othets shot him when he was on the floor

[@borarider669]

"Red" is the quite professional

[@Lee-xn8by]

@@borarider669 Bin ladens wife says he was alive when the seals entered the room. Maybe Red missed?

[@austinjestis7124]

O’Neil said his beard was grayer than what he thought it would be. I’m confused at to why there are 3 different stories. O’Neil said he poured water over his face to clear the blood and meat & then held his head together and his gloves are in the pictures in Langley of UBL’s face, (or what was left). I’m almost positive if you asked all 20+ of these guys what details they remember that probably 95% of them would have different stories. That’s just how life is in intense situations. I mean when me and my boys talk about old baseball, football, basketball, or livestock show memories we have different recounts of these memories that were major events/memories in our lives. Now imagine being in the top .01% of the best fighting force on the entire planet Earth on the biggest mission in the history of war fighting. Not to mention in a foreign land that they weren’t authorized to be in… oh and that thing called adrenaline.. I’d imagine it’s impossible for them to all have the same story. And imo it doesn’t really matter. Like it matters zero percent, they were a TEAM & they were Seal Team 6 doing this every night on every deployment. So fuck the lamos that attack any one dudes story. Their bravery & badassery will never change. GG’s you guys, we are proud of you guys.

[@doc2936]

Good catch on rob saying the grey part

[@davidaldridge5716]

That’s a reasonable thought but these guys are prob more composed and present than normal people can relate to when hitting targets...I guess no amount of repetition would remove adrenaline but I assume these guys can recount more accurately than 99.999% of the population 🤷🏻‍♂️ The details around the stories are weird Andy Stumpf said that amongst that team there’s no misunderstandings...but it’s different in the public for some reason and I kinda think he got that from Jack Carr 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@LuisLopez-qw2gm]

Im a big fan or mark, thanks jack for this interview glad this guy is an example

[@GhostOperator91]

His real name is Matt Bissonette. Mark Owen is a pseudonym.

[@Hahah878]

@jackcarr i loved this vid new hear still so appreciate u releasing these eps because this is history same as 9/11 is our history of our country in the 2000s and up

[@bradshort24]

I am really confused...Mark says that the man that killed UBL is still in serving today and will never say a word about it...That doesnt match Rob Oneils story.. Am I missing something?

[@zp1944]

O’neil seems kinda like an arrogant glory hound , so one could ask the question; is he taking credit to get all the fame and glory since he knows the (possible real shooter) will never say anything?

[@NaterTaterOutdoors]

So since the SEAL that got UBL is still serving, Robert O’Neil didn’t kill him according to his story. Interesting.

[@williamscore5322]

Can’t believe I’m just finding this, but thank you for the high DA aircraft crash comment. Been arguing with the boys about this since the night the raid was announced, we were sitting in Tal Afar at the time. Man…. those stealth hawks were running at the limits.

[@Travisesty]

Great interview

[@smbeezy]

Mark and rob O’Neil do a face to face and get this shit over with! We want to know !!!

[@privateprivate4315]

Can you ask them what they think Operator Red thinks about all this?

[@borarider669]

😂😂😂

[@mikeiso8963]

Incredible podcast.

[@erikbondarenko5304]

Fantastic

[@its_rick_james_bich2575]

The point man (Red) deserves the credit for the actual Bin Laden kill. He not only killed Bin Laden he tackled the two women with him and moved them back into the room Bin Laden was in. The women could have had suicide bombs and he would have given his life by absorbing the blast, but saving his fellow seal behind him and any making their way up the stairs to that 3rd floor.

[@MrPezzi5]

Rob and Matt should be on together! It, don't really matter who did it. Sometimes people see and remember things different!

[@tonybrown6573]

Great interviews..

[@straightlinetech]

I lived close to that museum when I was younger and loved visiting I remember they had a demo team do an insert right in the middle of the field and it blew me away watching the extra badass guys fast roping from a black hawk.

[@straightlinetech]

This was before bin laden was taken out I think but you are definitely right that place taught me so much and solidified an interest into spec ops groups

[@DylanAce6]

Respect Rob and this guy but this guy is a lot more humble than Rob.

[@waynehearst317]

I've met both Marcus Luttrell and Rob O'Neil in person at their respective speaking engagements. I have a very strong theory on why Mark Owen's account and Rob Oneil's accounts are different and why nobody has come forward (from Dev.Group) to criticize Rob Oneil. They all know exactly how it went down. There's absolutely ZERO details that are fuzzy or confused between the team that was on mission. They debrief and discuss every single second of these ops. I do believe that, the team either allowed or elected Rob Oneil to be "the one" who took UBL down. One of them needed to take the claim...take the press....take the pressure....tell the story and I think out of that entire team on the 3rd floor that night, Rob Oneil was the best guy to be the guy. He's smart, extremely articulate and sharp. He's charming and funny and can sell it. Rob knows his story isn't actual, and he's ok with it and so is the rest of the team; however, Owen has always been a bit of a rogue player. He won't come right out and burn Rob....because he knows it would blow up on himself, but he gives us enough hints of what actually happened. We may never really know...and I would bet that is exactly what the NAVY brass wants.

[@F3PIZZA]

One book was cleared by the DoD and one wasn’t. If you watch “The Team House”, they interview a former squadron commander for devgru who says Biss never should’ve written the book. When asked about Robs book, he said he didn’t know Rob wrote a book. “Are you riding for the brand or on the brand?” was what he used to describe Biss’ book. I have no horse in the race I just hate that while there’s so much circumstantial evidences people are still going back and forth. Watch every video appearance, read every interview. Anything about the raid. It really looks clear that Rob is who he says he is.

[@ryand4533]

No one was supposed to come out and take credit. Rob doesn’t even tell the same story he claims they rehearsed for a month. This guys say it was days and Rob comes off as a lier. They are supposed to be quiet professionals. Now they all want fame and fortune like a bunch of douche bags.

[@internal_dialogue9290]

Wow! thank you.

[@TD-lh6wt]

Awesome interview. Made me feel old when Mark said he never carried a canteen. Lol

[@Grey_Rock_]

IMHO Rob O'Neil's F.O.S.

[@Samokopecky]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3003">50:03</a> Now Rob ONeill said multiple times in his interviews that Bin Laden's beard was white, and Mark Owen says it was dyed black... so is one of them lying? pretty sure you would remember something like the color of his beard.

[@PaWhiteTailHunter]

Mr. Bissonnette, please set the record straight on the Anti Hero Podcast. Brent is a great guy and would treat you with respect. The cats out of the bag you deserve to have a second chance to rebuild your reputation. You will be massive on KZbin $$$$$ is there up to you Sir

[@ryanrichardson9915]

A.....freaking awesome.

[@mikebingham7189]

Funny, he stated that he rested on the flight en route. I was a trauma nurse and I remember getting a trauma “headsup” radio call about multiple bad trauma involving children. After prepping the trauma room I remember sitting with my eyes closed resting....relaxed, aware intensity.

[@jayprince9046]

How is he’s and robs story so different Rob claimed the shot “Mark” says the point man is the one who shot bin laden and is the same person that whispered khalid,rob mentions that story but doesn’t mention mark at all in that scenario Also rob says when identifying bin laden you could tell it was him he’s beard was fully grey yet mark says it was freshly dyed black…… I’m confused here

[@azarel7]

Yup, the stories don't match up. I lean towards Mark's story tbh. His scenario seems a little bit more believable.

[@bigswolletx]

Good book!!!

[@Steelers4life68]

Just listening to this vs Rob's version. Is it the same ? I can't wait to hear all about it. Either way it was a success!

[@toddpacker9818]

Can someone please get Mark (Matt Bissonette) and Rob O’Neil together in the same room and let them tell the world how it went down in their own words???

[@georgecoull1883]

Matt the silent professional

[@TLR28]

I doubt that will ever happen. However, I believe this story over O'Neil's take a listen to Shawn Ryan's interview of O'Neal. They both said they gave the "squeeze" and were the no. 2 man. Clearly, it was the point man who did the job. What I like is Matt never claimed to be the guy who killed UBL.

[@RobRikerTechChannel]

Both guys claim to have shot him in their original stories. Mark came out way before Rob ever did telling the story. Mark and Rob both wrote books about their times in the Teams. Mark, from what I remember, was sued or forced somehow to stop with the book, I don't remember the specifics, but he got into trouble for writing it and making money on it. Rob wrote a book as well, it was approved by the DoD. I've listened to Rob's account numerous times and his delivery of the story is pretty consistent, just a little bit of detail varies per time he discusses it. Mark's account to me is the fabricated version, the level of detail discusses the raid in and how UBL was taken down leads me to believe he was on the raid and is taking AAR info and making up his own version. I think Rob is the one who shot UBL, to me he seems more believable. I don't think we'll ever really know until every guy from the raid is retired and knows that nothing can happen to them for discussing it. There's been plenty of other Development Group guys that were there that haven't talked about it much. I'd love to see Rob, Mark, Will, Terry and Bill all in one room to discuss it. Chances are it will never happen, for whatever reason. It does make for a very interesting comments section though!

[@ash1234073]

Wrong a 3rd seal in raid confirmed Mark Owen story to Peter Bergen nobody has corroborated rob o'neill story check your facts before you type!

[@RobRikerTechChannel]

@@ash1234073 never claimed they were facts, just my opinions. Don't get so upset, dude, unless you were there, you only know what you're told. Oneill seems more believable than Owen does.

[@itchyb4403]

@@ash1234073 who’s this 3rd seal?! And what’s the interview ?

[@ryand4533]

@@RobRikerTechChannel They are both lying Robs is rehearsed more because he intended on getting speaking engagements off of it. Obviously he was going to have to retell it a thousand times. Supposedly the guy that actually made the shot is still in the teams.

[@sarahlapointe8339]

@@RobRikerTechChannel ok, who is Matt that people keep commenting about?

[@Jiu-Jitsu-Robot]

I totally respect "Mark" and his decision not to show his face but can you shed more light on this Jack? Several of the guys have been very public with themselves and who they are. It would certainly make more sense if people didn't know who "Mark" was and didn't have pictures of his face. I can't remember if it was Mr. Show or Comedy, Bang Bang but one had a skit where one of the dudes is hiding his identity but everyone else in the skit is like "Does Jarrod not know that everyone knows who he is? I mean, we know his wife and kids? He's the employee of the month. He wears a nametag. Sometimes he forgets and calls himself Jarrod Jones for days at a time before he catches it. "Yeah, everybody knows it's you Caleb! You're not even wearing a hat!"

[@ChrisJBrown72]

I was in Jbad, and Bagram that night. (CH-47 crew) Will never forget that.

[@alexnunezramos1720]

20 years fighting the Taliban just to give him almost 80 Billions of dollars of equipment. Lost the WAR ! 🇺🇸🎶🥁

[@mickfunny4185]

@Alex Nunezramos war in AFG was lost in Nov2001 when Bush told Rumsfeld to prepare Iraq invasion.

[@theonewithnoname8137]

This Mark is very different than the Mark from 60 mins interview ... This one sounds soo much more sincere, experienced and thinner. LOL!

[@vitocarbonara7770]

I think Joey Biden killed UBL with a ice cream grenade!!!

[@imanuelcunt8676]

He had extreme face make up done and his voice lowered in the audio mix where did you grow up the 7th century?

[@deadheart556]

Why isnt this available on itunes with the podcast?

[@johnnyots9608]

Read the book twice, and I listened to the audiobook a few more times…I recommend the audiobook, not for the ease, but the narrator does an incredible job of conveying an amazing story…all of it…from hell week, to Capt Phillips, and ultimately the raid in Pakistan…who knows what’s true, Rob O’Neals story, or the infamous Red…great American story…politics aside…highly recommend…