Healthcare | British VS American | Evan Edinger & Connie Glynn and OhItsJustKim

Healthcare in the US and the UK is crazy different! Connie Glynn, OhItsJustKim, and Evan Edinger (me!) chat about our experiences! Hope you enjoy!
Also, what are your thoughts on my recent editing style change to throw more sources into the video when info is given that's not just personal? I'm digging it!
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[@isoroxuk]

Giving birth is expensive in the UK. We had to spend about £7 in parking costs for the 4 days

[@WelshGuitarDude]

In England* Parking is free in Wales and Scotland.

[@Sg-rx8sb]

Mee expect at the royal infirmary

[@cordydc5557]

My mum's a midwife and she has to spend so much money on parking... because the government doesn't pay for that so yeah that's sucky..(we live in Australia)

[@johnbaldock6353]

isoroxuk LMFAO XXXX

[@anthonydabbs7475]

It gonna lie you had us in the first half

[@surenot9491]

Explaining the whole topic in 8 words: Europe is health system, US is health business

[@gnislia]

Tim NurSo pretty much. Plus because of the size of the NHS they have amazing negotiating power when it comes to buying equipment and pharmaceuticals

[@jimmy2k4o]

Reality Check. Medicine is a business. If its not how can you afford the best or newest Staff, medicine or technology

[@surenot9491]

@@jimmy2k4o Reality Check In European Countrys you have access to all approved methodes and medicines at a fraction of the bill per capita. The pharma industrie is business but the health system is non profit.

[@andimason3370]

@@jimmy2k4o Don't hide behind a fake persona of "reality" to excuse being a selfish ass-hole. Humans construct our own world, "reality" is what we make it to be. And in the U.K. they made reality the NHS.

[@liammargetts]

Ummmm, The NHS is in the UK, not Europe. Additionally, Europe is an entire continent, so it is much bigger than the US. Personally I prefer the NHS because it is also available for the poor, however there are a lot of flaws, doctors don't get payed much, there aren't enough doctors and the waiting times are rather long. Jimmy, I would disagree for the UK, I'm definitely not completely knowledgeable in this, but medicine is to help other people, although you could consider it a business because people compete different medicines and techniques, but I've noticed that medicine is mainly just to help people

[@TheDelarie]

NHS workers are incredible. They're so overworked and underpaid and they still do an amazing job. I wish they'd fund it properly.

[@janani1826]

Really what we need is a complete overhaul and streamline at some point, it will cost. a lot but will be better in the long run

[@misalife626]

The NHS is full of people who are so stupid. You could get paid a load of of money in private healthcare but the NHS pays you hardly anything

[@janani1826]

@@misalife626 but they want to help the NHS is a thing of pride 😂 also most do a mix of regular shifts,locolm and private to get a decent pay and I would say that's pretty smart

[@misalife626]

@@janani1826 so they do both private and NHS! That is smart

[@davidrichards809]

If you want it funded properly vote for a government that will fund it properly.

[@BadgerOff32]

I was once chatting to an American friend of mine about the differences in healthcare, and he told me a story about his wife which, as someone who grew up with the NHS, is unfathomable to me! She was involved in a car accident that was not her fault. Someone drove into the side of her car and then drove off, and she ended up in a bad way, upside down in a ditch. The fire service had to cut her out of the car and she was airlifted to hospital, where she had life-saving surgery, followed by months recuperating in the hospital, which was then followed by months and months of rehabilition and medication while she learned how to walk again. At the end of all that they were told that their insurance company wouldn't pay up......for some stupid reason (apparently this is common with insurance companies)......and they ended up recieving a bill for over $500,000!!! HALF. A. MILLION. DOLLARS!!!! They literally had no other choice but to file for medical bankruptcy (which he tells me is ALSO a common thing over there) When I told him that everything he listed would have been completely free in England, except for *maybe* (less than) £10 a week for medication, he almost cried! The American healthcare system is truly disgusting...

[@joejanota707]

I was in a car crash when I was young. 60 stitches in the left side of my face and a life saving operation. Not a penny. We complain about wait times in the NHS but the reality is, if you need help, you will get that help. I know many people who were scared about cancer treatment not being on time, they are alive today, still in remission. They prioritise those who need it first like they should.

[@donjuan6946]

its not only the UK. im from Germany and everything is here for free, too. A good friend of mine is also the husband of my cousin. he is from the us and had a shoulder injury since he was a child....his parents were not able to pay the surgery in the us. They married in Germany and immediatly after marriage he received his shoulder surgery....for free....had to wait about 6 weeks for his surgery date...thats it. most of us will eventually need medical attention in some point of our life. your life shouldnt be over because you cant pay the surgery or u cant pay the bill after surgery....

[@Aeterrna]

@@donjuan6946 Not only UK or Germany, all Europe had universal healthcare, not all of the same level, but way ahead of the absence of healthcare in the USA.

[@bilbo8338]

So what happens next when one files for Medical Bankruptcy in the USA ?

[@hecticfreeze]

@@Aeterrna Not even just europe, the vast majority of the worlds countries have some form of nationalised health system. The USA is one of very few countries in the world where almost all medical treatment is private

[@timaustin2000]

A little perspective: I once worked in a RURAL GP surgery in the UK when a fella walked in clearly having a heart attack. Nurses and GPs swarmed him in seconds: an ambulance was called in under a minute - the Ambulance service sent a helicopter air ambulance, a full ambulance and an emergency responder. Fella was flown to a specialist cardiac unit within an hour. He was in surgery within two. He made a full recovery but will be on medication his whole life. He never recieved a bill. He never had to pay for his medication. Nobody asked for his credit card details. Nobody put a finance form in front of him. Nobody asked if he had insurance. The US healthcare system is OBSCENE. It is a stain on the nation.

[@TremereTT]

I think there is nothing that could realy further stain the USA.

[@Irishnapalm2341]

And yet, survival rates in the US are significantly higher then in the UK.

[@TremereTT]

@@Irishnapalm2341 And yet survival rates in Portugal are significantly higher than in both the UK and the USA. USians and UKians are totally ok with having people dying without needing to. Why do you think are they in war all over the world? It's a totally different cultural perspective. They incorporate more and more of a ME approach towards life and dying.

[@Irishnapalm2341]

@@TremereTT Completely false. In Portugal, the average wait time for a cataract procedure is 70 days, an elective surgery is 86 days....that's even slower then the UK. The survival rate for cancer's is also significantly better in the US then Portugal. Basically, it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

[@thorshammer1815]

Irishnapalm2341 Considering here in the US we’re the most obese and the price of procedures for treatment is expensive I find that hard to believe and I expect it to go down. True, the US has better survival rate in certain areas but that’s only if they have the money to spend. $$$,$$$. Perhaps in cancer we’re leading but they’re not that far off. (Especially considering they pay next to nothing!) In other aspects like nutrition, circulatory and respiratory problems we’re fucked. (And suicide!) This amounts to nothing compared to number of people who will be in some form of debt after their procedure. The debt problem isn’t only buried in medical insurance but also in education. It’s a constant loophole in which is difficult to get out of.

[@CaptainCalculus]

I took an American friend up a mountain here in NZ. She fell and broke her leg....she was crying and panicking, not because she was in pain but because she thought she was going to be bankrupted. She got medivacced and had 3 hours of surgery/inserted metal rods. The whole time she was arranging her parents to send money...it ended up costing her $25 for the prescription. The thought of leaving someone in pain and not treating someone is abhorrent and will be looked at in horror by historians 100 years from now.

[@purplerocket4300]

Was she living and working in NZ or was she a tourist? Usually countries don't cover medical expenses for people who are not paying into the system. This includes tourists.

[@akolyte1234]

@@purplerocket4300 Accidental injuries are free for the most part including tourists.

[@purplerocket4300]

Do they cover preexisting conditions?

[@akolyte1234]

@@purplerocket4300 No, just accidental injuries if your a tourist. They dont cover illness or anything but then its still like 40 bucks or something to see a doctor and get a prescription.

[@lizcollinson2692]

@@purplerocket4300 nhs, covers anything that would get you in an accident and emergency, heart attacks, epilepsy, asthma all free to tourists. Chemo not so much, but it would still be cheaper to pay for treatment in nhs, cost control when you 90% of the market.

[@TheBlackcredo]

The NHS is the UK's greatest institution. It should be legally protected from any budget cuts, always have top priority for funding and management and it should be illegal to allow any private sector involvement in it.

[@emmaschwarz8601]

@A part of the universe aware of my existence. That's not what they're saying; they're saying the NHS should be given top priority for funding and should stay totally in the public sector. I don't know where you got your idea of what they were saying

[@kripticdragon976]

The NHS should be protected like guns should be kept illegal

[@arwen_m7786]

Yes agreed

[@nitrousoxide4970]

Get your socialism the fuck out of here

[@scarzen1]

the only problem, the NHS is a black hole and they are struggling to hire nurses and doctors

[@Dmanz67]

If you sever a finger or toe in the UK.. You will absolutely be at the front of the queue for immediate surgery.

[@Dmanz67]

@UCnJKgbqao-d279wHMevSuVw Is this a joke? 20 minutes?!!!

[@wildfire160]

The last time i was in the emergency room i was seen in about 20mins(it was a car crash) ...they looked at me and gave me treatment then i had to wait for my ride to take me home,it wasn't until i sat down and looked at a mirror i then realised i was covered in blood everywhere i didn't even know i was bleeding...

[@smasheduppumpkinette]

My daughter partially severed the tip of her finger last year. Took her to the children’s A&E and we were seen within 5 minutes. Took a couple of hours (xrays etc) and we were sent home and scheduled the next day for emergency surgery. They didn’t take her in that night as it was still attached (partially at least) and had blood flow to the tip. They next day we did have to wait around for quite a while for them to fit her in, she was the last seen as all the pre booked operations were done first and they had an emergency in too (car crash victim). That team stayed late to get her operation done that day and we were so grateful. She had an overnight stay (I stayed with her) and follow up appointments for weeks after. We had dressings provided and a half plastic cast thing for her arm that was removable. Thank goodness for the NHS as I’m sure in places like America it would have cost thousands. If it’s $500 per stitch then we would have been $4,000 alone for the stitches, never mind the operation cost and overnight stay.

[@safaam9103]

can confirm. I was seen by a hand surgeon in within 48 hours of cutting my index finger :D

[@thesuitshow9944]

I got seen immediately when I ran into a wall and when I fell down the stairs.

[@SentenceFragments]

Chronically ill person here - I would be dead without the NHS. Despite its problems/flaws, I owe my life to this service. I’m in the doctors and/or hospital most weeks due to being severely ill and have been since I was 6 years old (I’m now 17). I’m so grateful for the NHS - I wish it was supported and had better funding from the government. Ugh. This was really eye opening!

[@WolfKenneth]

I'd be cripple in USA but while shitty Polish NFZ (kind of NHS) still works sort of ok.

[@natashadavis2959]

In the US, if you go to the Emergency Room, you will not be denied healthcare. You will simply get billed. As long as you are making monthly payments, maybe like 50 dollars, most hospitals will not send your bill into collections. Also here in Oklahoma, we have a hospital called St. Anthony's, they have a program where if you can't pay, all you have to do is apply for assistance and it's paid for. Charity hospitals use to be big here until the gov started giving out health insurance to the poor, a kind idea, but people who donated to the hospitals before stopped because they decided the gov would pay for it. We also have a university hospital, if you can't pay, there is a subsidy program to lower your bill. Especially if you let a med student examine you. (There is a licensed Dr there with them, FYI.)

[@SR2active]

sentencexfragments same. I’m a type 1 diabetic

[@WolfKenneth]

@@natashadavis2959 I'm sure genetic joints disease isn't something you'd go to emergency room with. And what a great idea let's bill someone dying that's something we have government to take care of, not for profit money hungry corporations but government that we as citizens have control of.

[@saraowens3688]

sentencexfragments omg Elena is you profile pic

[@tomwilde7738]

As a UK pharmacist I just want to make clear that whilst yes generic meds are cheaper than the branded ones they by UK law have to prove they're as effective. There are studies showing that it's likely a placebo effect that makes you think the branded works best.

[@sahhull]

I have no problem with generic meds, tho the branded one are nicer to take. At least the ones I take are, the branded meds are coated, generic are not.

[@RK-ep8qy]

Tom Wilde I second this but if the NHS pay for two brands you can always ask for the other brand if they have it

[@Dominate955]

@@RK-ep8qy would it not make more sense to give you the cheaper brand that might work just as well as the more expensive one?

[@RK-ep8qy]

Dominate955 that depends on the person, the chemist will say it's the same but placebo affect aside you know best since medication from two brands produce slightly different medicine

[@Dominate955]

@@RK-ep8qy I guess but the NHS is extremely inefficient so I think it's a good idea to cut costs in places where it doesn't make a difference. Maybe if the cheaper medication doesn't work then they can use the other one.

[@Deiwos0]

" no society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means." - Nye Bevan.

[@whatgenderami]

Deiwos ^^^

[@mercury4373]

Deiwos bill nye also acts like he is a scientist when he has an engineering degree i think but it has nothing to do with science not trying to hate though

[@cyranoswan]

Percy Jackson Nye Bevan was the chap who created the NHS

[@mercury4373]

Horatio Hollingshead I misread lol oh my goshhhhhh that is hilarious

[@mercury4373]

DR Barry i misread that lol

[@stuckinmyneverendingheadsp5983]

Them: “Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare?” Me: “I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people?!”

[@bubba842]

A better reply would be "why don't you learn how insurance works" "Because you obviously have understanding that you are paying for other people when you pay insurance".

[@fantastischfish]

We're also not paying for other people's healthcare. As children, every single child gets FREE medical care, prescriptions, check ups, treatment, dental care, eye care, check ups and glasses if needed. Everyone has benefitted to the tune of £thousands and thousands before they turn 18 and/or start paying taxes.

[@Liggliluff]

If someone make that statement, ask them if they pay insurance. If they don't, then they are living by their standard. Everyone for themselves. (But I suspect they grew up in a family, and didn't work as a child). However, if they do have insurance, they're a hypocrite. An insurance is that everyone pays a sum each to one place, which is then distributed to the people who need it. The same way a tax-funded healthcare system works. One difference is just that taxes are percentage based, while insurances aren't. Imagine if you had a flat citizenship fee for everyone, instead of a percentage based tax system. Rich people pay barely anything, and poor people can't afford it.

[@jonanice]

The dumbest part is can’t see that if they had a govt run system funded by taxes, their monthly costs would go down not up, so right now they’re choosing to pay more just so the poor people go without care

[@ramble4395]

That legit sounds like the most heartless thing ever. Like I’m sorry, but if you look at a child in an ambulance, and you think “that’s not me and it’s not my child so it’s not my problem. I’m don’t see why I would have to help pay for that” you come off as a grade a jerk.

[@04williamsl]

My friend had a baby in the UK 4 months early. Baby had a lot of problems, and even though we have a very good hospital in our area, the neo-natal care was not enough for the baby. The baby was transported via helicopter, and the mother and father were transported via ambulance to that hospital (a 1.5hour drive away). 3 and a half months of neo-natal care, plus housing for the mother (only 1 single bed available, father came up 4 times a week after going back to work) near to the hospital so she could visit every day was completely free. The baby had several operations as some of his organs started to fail/didn't develop properly which they fixed. For 8 months after the baby came home, he was on oxygen 24 hours a day - only coming off of it to eat/drink. Now the baby is absolutely fine, developing properly, no bad eye sight or other health problems, living life like a normal child. All of this was absolutely free. I don't even want to know what it would have been like in the US. The family to date have raised nearly £18k for the neo-natal service and the air-ambulance service in the last 3 years, and have said they will campaign every year to raise funds for the absolutely amazing NHS service they received. It may have it's issues. You may have to wait up to 6 hours, but once you're seen, it will be quality service, it will be free, and it will allow you to only focus on what is wrong with yourself or a loved one - not how what is wrong will cripple you financially. My uncle, 2 aunts and one grandmother have all had cancer more than once. My uncle sadly lost his life to it, and in his last 3 months had to live in a hospice. He could not have received better care. He sadly passed away on the 28th December. Despite how rapidly his body was giving out, that hospice arranged for him to be at home on Christmas day so he could say his final 'merry Christmas' to his family. To date, his wife and our family have raised nearly £30k for the NHS and Hospice because of how wonderful the staff were. The NHS may not be as funded by the government as it should be. The staff may not be paid at a level that is sustainable. But by God do the staff there treat everyone as kindly and respectively as their own family, and you will not find better care in any other country (in my opinion).

[@simmerke1111]

In the US, that child would be dead or going through hell all it's life. Imagine growing up where your parents are in life-long debt because you were born. Sounds like immense baggage to carry...

[@glynnwright1699]

My American daughter-in-law is expecting her second child in March. She had Braxton Hicks last week, so went to the clinic. The clinic was just closing so they told her to go to the hospital, they charged her $1100 to tell her she was fine.

[@ianpodmore9666]

So glad to hear the child is fine. What I find refreshing is as you will know, saving the life of that child cost maybe a million pound. But it was never an issue for the medical teams and I doubt a single person in the UK will question the cost, what mattered was to give the nipper every chance of a normal life. We should thank god that we have the medical teams, unhindered by finance that fought to keep this child alive and a nation that will never ever question the money issues. We pay our fantastic hospital staff to honour their oath. They battle seemingly endless battles, but as in your case the whole nation wants them to win, no matter what the cost.

[@ianpodmore9666]

One problem the NHS does face is a simple economic fact. The better a health service gets the more it costs to fund.

[@dimac344]

@paul granner that's not true. It is chronically underfunded by the Tories. "Health tourists & refugees" are a fraction of the yearly costs.

[@egypsy]

Life without NHS is like skydiving without a parachute, its feels fine until you hit the ground :)

[@agonicole]

I'm American I pay nothing for health care and have 15 hospitals within 5 minutes of my home.

[@serenn-f628]

@Root 66 believe it or not, a lot of us didnt lmao. The NHS came in after WW2, before that it was early 1900's and before which is the Victorian era and we all know that there was a high death rate then.

[@gerhardaryawardana72]

@Root 66 The US system is just far inferior to most european systems. Just accept that fact. The faster you americans accept it, the sooner you can start fixing your shitty system. Your politicians say you have "the best medical technology in the world" thanks to the system but they are only accessible by THE RICH because they are just so incredibly expensive. The majority of US citizens are instantly financially fucked when they get into medical emergencies and that's WITHOUT being able to access these cutting edge medical tech. Even ambulance cost and basic things like getting stitches can fuck you up financially. Lots of people avoid ambulance like a plague or have to choose one live saving drug that manages one illness or another live savng drug that cures another illness they also have. That's just fucked. In Europe (i.e. the UK or Germany)? Not so much. Going to the doctor is free/cheap, medication is free/cheap, more complicated procedures are affordable. And what are you trying to say about healthcare as employment benefits? That's also a dumb system. Thanks to that stupid system, americans are forced to stay in bad, dead-end jobs they hate just to keep healthcare benefits. Tying healthcare to employment gives employers WAY too much power over the employees. Oh you want to get paid better? No. You can try to get a job where you could get a better pay or you enjoy more but you also have to say good bye to your healthcare at least until you get a new job with healthcare benefits. What are you gonna do now? Stay or risk it? A lot of people are forced to stay because they can't take the risk. And what about your fellow countrymen who happen to be between jobs or are currently unemployed? Let them fucking die? What a great idea. Americans also love to talk shit about European healthcare systems in the vein of "I don't want to be forced to pay for other people's medical bills" or "You have to wait a long time to get handled". What the fuck do you think your super expensive insurance policies are? European systems are just the same but they are either paid through tax like the NHS or are very affordable when compared to american insurance policies like in Germany. The wait times aren't that bad either. Depending on how crowded the hospital/clinic and how serious your situation is, you usually wouldn't have to wait very long. Plus, anyone with any brain would rather wait a bit but then get handled and have their health problems fixed or their life saved over not being able to AFFORD it in the first place.

[@mariamm7695]

Root 66 it will be now, never heard of a country that’s gotten rid of universal healthcare

[@mariamm7695]

nicolelis that’s great for you enjoying paying off the debt if anything ever happens to you lmao

[@kelleyanderson2971]

From Canada here... Had four kids, emergency surgery with one and 12 years later a hysterectomy... Never paid a cent. Love my healthcare

[@AHillson1]

Canada here too...my daughter had appendicitis last October....walk-in clinic visit, Emergency Dept visit, ultrasound, emergency surgery and 5 day stay...not a single penny. Despite wait times, I wouldn't trade our healthcare for anything, I'd rather NOT have to decide which is more important, a family members health, or keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table

[@guruxara7994]

Even Brazil has free healthcare, its insane that the U.S hasn't yet...

[@maxm32]

Fatty Tee yeah, but there’s tax everywhere

[@chloepage4162]

The idea of free healthcare boggles my mind. Many people in the US have to choose if they’d rather stay injured or become bankrupt.

[@mjpleusch]

Fatty Tee presumably Americans pay no tax then.

[@angeliaparker-savage5401]

I love how she said "we waited FOUR hours in the waiting room." In the US, people have DIED in the waiting room waiting to see a doctor.

[@TagGeorge]

In the part of the US I live in Illinois. Four hours would be pretty fast even without much of a crowd.

[@fmfdocbotl4358]

I worked in a hospital and waiting 12 hrs is normal in the er

[@blinkybill2198]

No the US has the best system ever they don't have wait times like socialist countries, well that's what Politicians say

[@programking655]

Yeah, no. I’m sure there are some cases here and there, but that is not a common occurrence. I have never waited more than 30 minutes for anything.

[@mae8646]

@@programking655 You must not go to the ER, then. Probably because you wouldn't be able to foot the bill for it

[@TenshiR]

American living in London here. My son was born 6 weeks early. During my wife's pregnancy we had a few scares and had to go to the A&E. Everything was great. My son had to start in the hospital for a month. At first we were nervous but the doctors, nurses and staff were great. We felt like he was in good hands. So we would go home with peace of mind. After all that had happened it didn't cost us a dime. He's home now and doing well.

[@dayko3521]

Wadu Hek excuse my language but WHAT!

[@CadizHexus]

In the US. Delivering the child alone can cost 4 - 7k and the necessary costs for its care will land the bill around $8-10,000+ -Which is why you should have health insurance for childbirth if anything-

[@franticstorm7411]

Well thats good to hear. I'm sure you will want to thank the British tax payer later.

[@adamwheeler5690]

frantic storm7 hehehe ikr 🤦‍♂️

[@xxxdeathstrokexxx3207]

Am Glad To Hear Your Son Is Doing Good To America Love From The UK. :)

[@essieboo8971]

Stop the NHS from being privatised!!!!!

[@spencerwilton5831]

Why? The NHS has been farming out certain operations to private hospitals for years. They can often do it cheaper and quicker than the NHS, with better outcomes. If it saves money, frees up resources and means people wait less then what's the problem?

[@rachaelgraham1233]

Spencer Wilton because if we lost the nhs it would cost us thousands to live like in America and parts of the nhs has started to be privatise by Virgin Care a company run by Richard Branson, who sued the nhs because they wouldn’t let him buy certain aspects causing the nhs to spend millions. Now would really want a man like that running our health care system suing a helpful care system,having us pay very little money for what they do, for something as pathetic and childish as that. And if you’re wondering how I know this my family work in the nhs.

[@kripticdragon976]

WE NEED TO STOP THE Conservative party and vote for the Labour Party

[@spencerwilton5831]

Alternate World Vote labour? They practically bankrupted the country last time, and you lot are still grumbling about the very necessary austerity measures introduced afterwards to try and rebalance the books. Now Corbin is up to old labour tricks, promising the earth with no clear explanation of how he plans to pay for it.

[@kripticdragon976]

Spencer Wilton the conservative is trying to privatise the NHS that’s why you heard more bad story’s about them since the conservative were in power this will bring the country into civil unrest and collapse this country

[@itsZephyro]

$500 for EACH stitch? That is actually ridiculous how the hell would anyone be able to afford that? This literally gave me a whole new perspective on animal attacks on people in America..

[@rich7447]

The US system has incentives built in. If you show up at the ER with no insurance the hospital takes the risk that you will not pay (they cannot refuse to treat you). Because a lot of people without insurance don't pay they jack up the price so that those that pay cover those that don't. If you have insurance the costs get cut to a fraction of the bill and the part that you are responsible for is a fraction if any of that. Since US tax rates are much lower than countries with socialized healthcare systems the tax savings usually more than pay for the insurance premiums. Low income people are covered under medicare.

[@avacado1235]

If I lived in America my mum would have to pay $4500 also NHS staff get 20%(something like that)of on Nando’s so guess which restaurant I always went to 😂

[@mullokadaddy8412]

You will need to get your wallet stitched after paying $ 500 for stitches !

[@jazzx251]

@@mullokadaddy8412 ... which would cost you another $4000 just to stitch up the wallet.

[@miaclarke6859]

I remember 1 time my friend and I were playing rough and one of her stitches came out. If I had to pay £500 for that one stich I'd still be living off cabbage soup like Charlie from Charlie and the chocolate factory 5 years later😂😂

[@ishallconfuseyou5148]

"America is one of the only nations where health-care isn't a right." Are we supposed to be proud of that or-

[@cantthinkofaname3344]

hell no. that's a terrible thing.

[@sappy.3xe]

Owning a gun is a right. Healthcare isn’t considered one. The USA is a joke of a country.

[@detectivel5460]

@@sappy.3xe are you from ameroca

[@nivednewalit8117]

A commodity cannot be a right, and and calling it a right doesn’t make it one.

[@MrStreetninja007]

You can't have a right to someone else's labor

[@livrose3567]

My sister dislocated her shoulder in the US when she was 7 and went to the hospital & she was standing at the desk screaming in pain & they wouldn’t see her until my mum’s credit card went through the system, and that’s what makes me hate the US healthcare system because it’s more about money than it is about healing people

[@halliehurst4847]

Liv Rose Yeah people complain about UK wait times but if you imagine if something happened when you didn’t have a credit card on you in the US?!?!

[@maxdempsey2808]

Liv Rose they wont deny service, you’ll just be in debt. If it was a more serious injury then theyll get you in in a second. Nobody is gunna die from a dislocated shoulder

[@EPICRAGE1000]

@@maxdempsey2808 What are we in fucking 1750? When was it a thing that you have to be on deaths door to get urgent help?

[@maxdempsey2808]

Finleyrizo credit wasn’t introduced until the 1900s

[@dabooser1048]

I'm sure your perception at the time was that she would be denied medical attention without payment. But that is not true. Emergency room service has been and is mandatory in the us.

[@deilhif8522]

I love how there is literally not a single comment slagging off the British Health Care System. God Bless the NHS! 🙏🏼

[@giogio6974]

its only good compared to the US not the rest of Western Europe where its basically free

[@sjgomes89]

@@giogio6974 Its trash compared to the US too

[@softtissuedamage8129]

@@sjgomes89 The us healthcare is shit

[@Tom-sb4lq]

sjgomes89 I would beg to differ unless your very very well off

[@C-eg8cm]

Yeah it's so stupid that people have to pay to live or pay to not be sick or pay for important surgery, even ambulances! Yes you do have to wait for the NHS but at least they prioritise severe cases, have a great team of trained staff and keep everyone healthy without putting them in debt

[@mantasubartas3094]

Uk is awesome when it comes to NHS. I broke my spine in 5 splaces 2 years ago and I got a free surgery and now I'm fine. Super thankful 🙏

[@strangelee4400]

You're welcome. It wasn't free..i paid for it.

[@jabbberjay]

strange lee we all paid for it. Every doctor visit you have ever had has been paid for by millions of people.

[@MsPinkwolf]

@@strangelee4400 wow you must pay a lot of NI if you paid for all of that!

[@Homelander6341]

@@MsPinkwolf no theres millions of people who contribute

[@piggo5645]

strange lee as they said in the video, the taxes are the same as America but they’re just used for different things. You’d be paying taxes no matter what?

[@jacobprice2579]

U.K.: Outrage at spending money on parking while visiting your wife and newborn son. U.S.: Want a baby? That’ll be $10,000

[@wangdangdoodie]

None of which excuses the fact that parking shouldn't be chargeable at institutions that are owned & funded by the public.

[@asterisque9252]

Want to hold your baby after birth maybe? 40 bucks extra...

[@gabriellevalentino7319]

@@asterisque9252 the best if when your doctor doesn't even make it to the room cause they don't listen to women but you still have to pay for them

[@asterisque9252]

@@gabriellevalentino7319 oh gods, that is so horrible. I hope everyone is doing fyn and doesn’t have to go thru all that

[@oliverman3713]

If u need a c-section you’ll need to pay $14,500

[@wendyholt9357]

"Your money or your life." Is legitimate business in the USA.

[@paulweaver5624]

Remeber the ABC of first aid! Airway Breathing Credit Card

[@milster08]

Paul Weaver no, wrong amount of C’s You need more Credit Card

[@Gryllssy]

@@milster08 Most underrated comment ever xddd

[@some_city.girl.x]

I never realised how blessed I am in England.

[@dalehitchcock6382]

Won't be like that soon with trump's new trade deal and brexit

[@hateeyahr3849]

Dale Hitchcock :(

[@IshtarNike]

Well, the UK, England is still the worst of the constituent countries given how we have to pay for prescriptions, other don't, we have tuition fees and other places don't. Dunno why the mad Tory shit comes here first.

[@audreybannister]

Same. Makes me feel so lucky...

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

@@IshtarNike well funding distribution is decided in each nation. So free prescriptions come at the cost of decreased funding for (usually) secondary (I.e. hospital) care.

[@snl4742]

Top bills in America: medical bills, student loans, and credit card bills. The American dream.🎉

[@burninghard]

Or rather nightmare.

[@matthewhamlin392]

My student loan never got one paid my college in cash. Credit card to me that thing is called let's make this person poor. Medical bills won't see a doctor because doctor Google is free.

[@agonicole]

Not true in many states we have free universal healthcare coverage, I've never paid a penny unless I wanted designer glasses or something. Its always free.

[@niriribururur7074]

@Root 66 yeah uhm the eu had/ has an actual immigration crisis, while yours is just made up fear mongering, so yeah realllyyyyyy badddddd you are stupid

[@richskater]

Only 1 of those is out of our control though. That fact that higher education is really expensive is a different problem, no one is forcing you to take a loan. Also credit card debt is a different problem, interest rates are ridiculous and the youth isn't being taught how to use them responsibly, but no one is making you get one. We can't predict when we get sick. It'd be great if we could all stay away from each other and work from home and have our groceries delivered by drone. But since we'll always have into interact with the world, we'll continue to catch random bugs at random times and there's really nothing you can do it about it. Even the most vigorous of hand washers get sick.

[@kingtut7213]

The US is one of the worst developed countries to live in unless you're rich. Predatory health 'care' where people can become homeless due to medical bills, astronomical college debt, recent hookworm outbreaks in the south (which only happen in impoverished countries), communities without clean drinking water, tipping culture and horrible workers' leave and trade union rights, military grade weaponry available to people with severe personality disorders, corporations which are some of the world worst polluters. The US isn't in the top 10 for any rank: not for education, happiness index, equity, or eco preservation. The things they do rank in are 2nd in poverty rate in a developed nation and 1st for military spending, which funds pointless fracturing wars in the Middle East while Americans at home struggle from paycheck to paycheck. It is a dystopian country in many aspects, and yet still I get Americans telling me "they live in the greatest country on earth" and the cringiest line one once told me, "the last bastion of freedom in the West". Yes, the great freedom to be a debt slave. I'm sure that the corporations laugh at the blind obedience of US citizens - it is legit a form of Stockholm syndrome.

[@creativedesignation7880]

So true. I can go see a doctor at any time without paying anything for it (Germany) and I would consider that freedom. But the average US American has been trained to call everything they don´t have to pay for "socialism" and I´m almost sure the US dictonaries simply state: "Socialism - Bad! Very bad! And if you even ask why, You are a socialist and therefore evil!"

[@bazmoules]

America is No1 in one thing, really dumb laws.

[@jewey1894]

K guys seriously, the reason that we are in this place is because we support the rest of the world. You really think that China, Iran, Russia, North Korea, or an untold number of African warlords would just sit at home and play with their blocks if there wasn’t a global superpower watching over it? The reason that others are so great is because we have made an insane amount of sacrifices so that they could. We rebuilt Europe after WW2, which, by the way, would have been an allied loss if America had not been there.

[@Creed-lp4wj]

@@bazmoules No that's UK. You can get arrested for a joke.

[@jessyozoemena3805]

@@Creed-lp4wj can you please tell me a joke that you would get arrested for that isn't hate speech? (I think that's what it's called maybe a hate crime idk)

[@marcusharrington4017]

I’d rather wait 4 and a half hours then pay a few thousand pounds and be in debt 😂

[@rich7447]

You already pay that few thousand pound every year as additional taxes. Take fuel costs as example - Average cost of gasoline/petrol in UK is $5.80 us/us gallon compared to the US average of $2.28 us/us gallon.

[@jazzx251]

@@rich7447 So what? I am covered for EVERYTHING. Fire and forget ... no need to read small print or budget for a terrifying event that may never happen. When you add up all of the taxes - I'm still getting peace-of-mind from cradle to grave for at least 100% less then you. That's because no shareholders are directly involved.

[@stephenhodgson3506]

@@rich7447 here in the UK we pay a thing called National Insurance (which is an additional tax) but that is what pays for our healthcare, pensions and any unemployment or disability benefits. The tax on petrol does not go on healthcare but rather is intended to be spent on roads (often isn't) but saying that infrastructure in the UK is not collapsing as it is in the US because Federal and States are unwilling to raise the necessary revenue to repair things. As for the cost of NI per week if you are not employed you pay nothing, if you are under 18 or over 67 you pay nothing. If you earn less than £702 per month ($905) you pay nothing. If you earn between £702 and £3863 per month ($4983) you pay 12% of that amount. So assuming you are on the maximum you would pay £3863 - £702 x 12% = £379 per month ($488) for your healthcare, pension (401K) and cover in case you lose your job. However if you were to lose your job your healthcare would continue exactly the same as when you were employed. As many Americans get their healthcare through their job, lose your job and your healthcare goes as well. If you earn more than £3863 per month you then pay an additional 2% on anything you earn over the upper limit. So for example assuming you earn £5000 per month you would pay the £379 per month as stated above plus an additional £5000 - £3863 x 2% = £23 so your total deduction would be £402 per month. I repeat that is for your healthcare, pension and any additional benefits that you may require at some point. Healthcare includes ALL medical expenses including ambulances, air ambulances and highly subsidised prescription drugs. As a footnote I should mention that your pension is guaranteed and doesn't depend on the stock market so if the markets crash your pension doesn't go with it as happened to many in the 2007 crash.

[@rich7447]

@@stephenhodgson3506 The fuel tax was just an example of how over taxed the UK is. Your top income tax bracket starts at 150,000 GBP ($194,000 USD) with a marginal tax rate of 45%. In the US you don't hit the top (37% marginal rate) bracket until $510,000 USD as a single tax payer or $612,000 if filing jointly. We have a similar system to your national insurance that working people pay. It covers medicare (socialized health insurance for those qualified to receive benefits), social security (government pension) and unemployment insurance. Our 401k program allows people to use pre-tax money to further invest for their retirement and invest those savings as they see fit. If the individual chooses to invest in stocks they take the risk and any gains/losses. The stock market does not impact social security. If you are low income, you have health insurance under medicaid. If you lose your job you can continue your medical insurance under the COBRA program. As for infrastructure, the UK has 344,000 km (213,000 miles) of roads supported by 66 million people on an island with near ideal conditions for road longevity. The US has 4.12 million miles of road (8.66 million lane miles) supported by 326 million people across a continent with huge variations in climate most of which is very hard on infrastructure. This works out to 310 people per mile of road in the UK versus 79 people per mile of road.

[@alisonsmith4801]

@@rich7447 we don't pay additional taxes for the NHS we pay for it like we pay for everything as in the PAYE system which comes out of our Salaries every month.

[@blinkybill2198]

Lol "I dont want to pay taxes for healthcare"......."that will be $500 a month for your insurance sir....."

[@cgi2002]

It's an interesting one as all told, depending on your income in the UK you do technically pay about the same for healthcare via national insurance. However the difference comes in that you get all your healthcare covered regardless of cost, pre-existing conditions, long term illness. And this remains the case if your suddenly unemployed, or go on low income, or even go to prison.

[@blinkybill2198]

@@cgi2002 exactly, and insurance companies aim is to make profit so they are always trying to reduce costs or cover or up the premiums. Govts with spending power are better able to negotiate costs with suppliers and "hopefully" utilise economies of scale. And besides when you have Govt funded healthcare you can still buy private insurance to top it up. I had private for many years but never used it and because you did not need it it was super cheap.

[@cgi2002]

@@blinkybill2198 daft bit is, I technically work in it (mental health hospital, subcontractor for a subcontractor) but I deal with patients on a day to day basis. Private healthcare would be faster in regards to what I do, but i could guarantee 95%+ of our patients wouldn't be capable or eligible to get private cover. While we aren't capable of providing all the care we wish we could (private probably could) we have to work to the lowest common denominator unlike private. Also I know from personal experience that the nhs uses private healthcare providers to cover their shortcomings. It's not ideal, as they are probably paying far more than if they could provide those services themselves, they are atleast making sure those services are provided. As for people who say private gets you seen quicker, or you get better care, tbh you don't. You get seen as quickly as they can still, you don't jump queues, you just are in a smaller queue to begin with. As for better care, private healthcare suppliers are out to make a profit, thus they keep staff costs as low as possible, their staff aren't encouraged to care for you, they are encouraged to cut as many corners as possible unless it's something you can be billed for. The nhs while lacking, doesn't cut corners intentionally, and their staff (especially in hospitals) will try to care for you. Little things like getting offered a cup of tea/coffee are iignored mostly but nhs staff tend to do that, private staff often don't.

[@paulhadfield7909]

@@cgi2002 yes even if you injured yourself on purpose it would still be free

[@Liam-di5br]

Blinkybill actually it’s only £1840 a year or $2401 a year for someone who earns £46000 or $60031 a year and I think that is much cheaper than having to pay up to$2200 for an ambulance or $500 per stitch

[@danielabrahall]

my mind is legitimately blow at the prices of the american services. i cannot image having to pay thousands of pounds just to stay alive. like $500 PER STITCH is absolutely insane!

[@theclanplus1]

I paid attention early, and paid $50 when I was 15 to take a year long course in First Responder. So I learned to do my own stitches, CPR, Heimlich remover, splints, etc. It's saved a ton of money! Especially since 2 years later when I turned 17 I got a chronic illness. Now I'm read up on legal herbal treatments, and take care of anything non life threatening related to my illness. I still have to be almost unconscious with a potential life threatening issue before I step foot in an emergency room here in the states. My general dr is only $10 though, and he loves to give free samples. He's just one of a handful of good drs here.

[@LongdownConker]

@@theclanplus1 I'm sorry that you have to do that. To me health care is a basic human need and should be treated as such. I am glad that here in the UK we r compassionate about health care and everyone has equal rights to it without any bills. No one should ever have to suffer because they can't afford health care. I wish everyone had access to health care like the NHS. I hope your country does come up with their own version of the NHS

[@theclanplus1]

@@LongdownConker Sadly, in the states healthcare is treated as a business. It's all about making as much money as possible to the owner of the hospital. I agree it should be accessible to everyone, but as long as the wealthy have all the control over it, nobody will be getting affordable help anytime soon. Even important medications, like my mom's diabetes meds are $70 a month at the pharmacy. It really is insane here when you get sick. I like the NHS system! But you can't control where you can afford to live ;)

[@asjeable]

If I lived in America, I would now be very, very scared. I am sick, I can not work anymore (which is a horror for me bc. I loved my job) and I lost my own house bc. of a divorce. So, I have a 1000.000 Euro debt. But that is no problem in Holland where I live. Here, our government has a ''plan'' for this. We have for the sick who can not work anymore: a disability benefit, which is 70 % of your last income + healthcare allowance if you have high medical bills. ( of course, you have to have health insurance)This health insurance you can sort out yourself, you can make it as high as you want (I am so glad that I've listened to my late dad, who told me to get basic health insurance + additional healthcare insurance, bc. I am covered for almost anything, even for Chinese acupuncture, the Chinese have to live in Holland thought ;). The basic healthcare in Holland cost about 120 Euro in a month, but everyone has an own risk which cost about 390 Euro in a year, that means that first, you have to pay for everything yourself until you reach that amount (that is why many people chose not to see a doctor), and then everything is free. I suffer off autoimmune sickness, so three months in the new year I am already way over that amount. As for my debt, my disability benefit is about 1000 Euro in a month, minus fixed charges, I have to live of 200 Euro in a month that is for food, personal hygiene, and clothes. On my onw, I would never ever can't pay my debt, not in a lifetime. But it would not be Holland if our government has also a '''plan'' for this. This is called debt assistance. Because, in my case, the bank wants its money. So, they figure out for me a duty free-rate. In my case that is 1000 Euros. So, as a blind man can see, there is nothing left to pay for, or to live from, so they let me pay an amount off ''imaginary'' quantity off 10 Euros in a month.The municipality where I live taking over. This means if the banks agree and the judge agrees (they always do), I going in a process called debt restructuring with a receiver who takes all my bank matters over. She is also paid for. This means for me that for the next three years I have nothing to say what so ever about ''my'' money. I get week money, which is 50 Euro. And after that process, the rest of my debt is limited. And that has nothing to do that I am sick or have a low income, it is for everyone, also if your rich (you just pay the other amount off duty free-rate). So, I know the people in Holland are famous for complaining, at least in Holland they are. Where there is absolutely nothing to complain about. I wish, the Dutch look more at other countreys to see how that goes. And because I ''belong'' to the government for a while and life of that amount of money (which is axially a lot for me, bc. before all this, I had a child in the home and did not receive child support, and of course ''they'' have a plan for that ;): I get back then, child benefits + child related-budget which was about 550 Euro for one child in a month. I personally never touch that but I saved it all up for my girl her future) many doors are open now. I get food from the food supply, I get free clothes from the goods supply + free linen, 4 small things in a year, 4 big things in a year and this only cost me 20 Euro in 1 year. At the food supply, I can also get free things and there is even a hairdresser who will cut your hair for free, this hair they use for a good cause for wigs for children with cancer. There is also a food supply for pets. I have 2 cats, 3 rats, and a hamster. There is a store where you can go every day to get yourself 5 things for free. There is a free sport for me, free school, free massage, free course to follow, ect., ect.(not bc. I am sick, also every refugee gets that). I get free counseling from social workers, counselors and, advocates (the first 2 are normal in Holland and for everyone). Then, bc. I am sick, I get help 1 time in a week for 2 hours, but my counselor made that every day, not only for my house but also to help me to get a shower or other things. My counselor also makes it possible for me to get help at my house to redecorate. And, yes, you won just a plant if you got this right. My municipality also pays for that. But that has to wait for bc. last week I've heard that they are going to tear my house down, so please don't invest anything they said, we don't know how long for this to start. I was really angry, bc. for 3 years I am busy with this sick body off mine to redecorate my house on my own. I had no idea that all this help existed before all this happen to me. (that is why so many people are angry about the refugees, who also get all this help, they know now, bc. they get the information I get. And you have to be in a lot of shit, to go in the process I got into and then you find out things you never have dreamed of). When the time comes, I got to chose my own house (the difference in rent, my municipality has to pay for) and they have to pay for movement cost, and redecoration cost (this is also for refugees)and in my case bc. I am sick and can not do this anymore, they do it for me. SO I HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN WHAT SO EVER. And believe me, I had rather my health and independence back than all of this. Any well- thinking person would agree with me. Sometime's I even feel guilty ( you know the saying: were your cradle stood?) And bc. in my case, all of this and all the shit happen, my mental health was also going down the drain. But I work hard on me and be grateful for every good day. So, no. There ain't coming no fireworks out off my ass if you think that, with all this help, for a one's an independent woman it is really hard to let control go and have to admit I can't do it all by myself anymore. Losing every one of this and let strangers help me, was and is still a big deal for me. But yes I am very, very lucky to live in Holland. Thank you,if you have taken the time to read this. Because, I am proud of Holland and very, very grateful.

[@mariyaparveen]

@@theclanplus1 In England the charge per item on a prescription is £9.00 even if you're given loads of the drug which can last you up to about three months. You can make a prepayment card so like £29.10 for 3 months of unlimited amount of medicine or around £104 for a whole year. People who pay are those who generally work and can afford to pay it. It is free If you are under 16 or over 60, if you receive benefits, if you're pregnant, in full time education or have a long term illness. Children can get free vitamins and so can pregnant women. Alot of people can get free medicines on the minor ailment scheme. There's also free sexual health services like umbrella. So we're really lucky in England. I don't know how your mum pays 70 dollars a month I really feel for her. I don't know if you wanted to know any of this but I like reading stuff about other countries so I thought I'd let you know about pharmacies in England x

[@ravenblades3987]

"In Scotland and Wales it's still free" *me sitting here in Northern Ireland:* 👁👄👁

[@outrighteight8205]

its almost like everyone forgets NI is still part of the UK.....

[@olivercorey7651]

@@outrighteight8205 trueee

[@jonboulding1446]

@@outrighteight8205 Well after brexit it won't be

[@outrighteight8205]

@@jonboulding1446 We've been arguing about it for decades here, and we will probably still be arguing for decades to come whether or not we are part of the UK....

[@furbiefriend8817]

@@outrighteight8205 sometimes we forget we're part of it too (especially with the irish sea border) england appointed someone in a high position of the british NI cabinet once who "had never been there but would like to go"

[@MrBizteck]

I lived in the US for 3 years..... a friend of mine had a Stomach complaint needing surgery ... his health insurance company paid to fly and return him to Ireland as it was cheaper than getting help in the US.

[@jesskhan09]

Wouldn’t it be easier to fly to Canada?

[@burninghard]

Jeez that´s just hillarious. Man the US system is so fucked up. And now the UK voted for a privatisation of the NHS. Sometimes I don´t understand the world.

[@mickburton6838]

burninghard everything Like the US we are in desperate need of changing our laws on who can own our mainstream media and there needs to be severe prison sentences for disinformation and general misrepresentation of reality. The whole stinking system relies upon propaganda controlling the opinion of the electorate. “Propaganda to a democracy is what violence is to a dictatorship”

[@rosestewart1606]

It's the same for Canadians. We buy trip insurance but it's basically a free flight home first class if you get sick in the US.

[@rebekahhakeber5093]

MrBizteck that would be something if it were true. Since it’s a half truth or a flat out lie... 🤷🏻‍♀️ America doesn’t send anyone to other countries over fees. My little brother was born with cystic fibrosis. He got a bilateral lung transplant 2 years ago. Completely free BTW he also lives in Florida. He pays nothing for rejection meds - he pays nothing for prednisone - he pays nothing for CFRD insulin etc.... America doesn’t have national healthcare. America does have state healthcare. The person either had insurance in Ireland or was a citizen of the UK. Honestly If Americans could just fly to where shit is free you think they wouldn’t do so? We fly to Israel or some shit when our country hasn’t FDA approved a procedure or medication. The OP is just lying for attention. 🤦🏻‍♀️ or is stupid and doesn’t understand state laws

[@shainyshumway9474]

I got cancer in the US and I'm dealing with over 20k in debt even though I had TWO insurances and Medicaid when I was sick.

[@ericasarat1834]

Insurance coverage is a joke and just plain sad.

[@ThatRomyKate]

This is baffling to me as a Brit, so what is the point of health insurance? Is it like ‘oh we’ll cover you but only if you get certain illnesses’??? 🤨

[@sarahdangerrr]

That is horrible! We act like we have it so much better with private insurances, but insurance is a joke!

[@guttenraknes1060]

Man thats fucked, good luck to you

[@martinsharpe2k6]

Wow that’s crazy. My mam was diagnosed with breast cancer last year. She’s had her breast removed and done all the chemo. She’s now going back to have a reconstruction and she’s not had to pay a penny. As much as the nhs has its problems the American system is cruel.

[@liliafield3618]

What have we learnt: If your injured in America it’ll cost ya

[@Jamie_Smith.]

So much for "Land of the free"

[@tomgosy]

Literally

[@angelaarjoon6811]

Lol 😂

[@morrobarry]

Lilia Field And in uk if you hurt yourself it will cost me

[@pestobea]

DR Barry it’s fair though, you could get hurt at anytime. Good health shouldn’t be something to pay for

[@Lizallinos]

When people say "why should I pay for someone else's health care", what they seem to be missing is the meaning of the word "insurance". When you buy insurance for your car or house and pay your premiums once a year and perhaps you never make a claim because, you know, you didn't have an accident, but someone else did and they make a claim and get money, does that mean you have been cheated in some way? Of course not - what you are buying is peace of mind. That's what insurance is. What we have is the Government as the "insurance agent", except it covers everyone, regardless of whether they can pay in or not. So the unemployed are covered too. But that's only fair. If you can't afford car insurance, then you have the option of not buying a car. But your health is not something that you can always control.

[@creativedesignation7880]

So true. If my country didn´t have universal healthcare I would most likely be dead, seriously. Universal healthcare (or some form of solid healthcare for everyone) is especially important if someone becomes unable to work due to health reasons. Health is not something you can opt out of, you can´t control your own health and you can´t just learn to treat yourself. I´m really grateful I get access to a system that provides healthcare for everyone and at the same time it feels insane to me that there a developed countries in the world, who appaerently don´t give a s**t about their citizens health unless they have money.

[@86upsmaya]

@@johnp139 seriously? It literally said that a vehicle or another property is a choice. You dont fall sick by choice. If u are alive, u can afford to pay for vehicle or property. No need to bother the government

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

@@johnp139 Except for we, as a society who was supposedly founded on "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" shouldn't be making being poor a death sentence. Our system doesn't work.

[@erickwang4943]

@@Hhhhhh-sz9ud The problem with American society is that the idea of "liberty" has been heavily distorted. People interpret "freedom of choice" as a lack of regulation. Helpful intervention is seen as another restriction that bars people from theoretically doing what they want, but what they fail to understand is that without society "life" isn't fair. The American' idea of liberalism is not an advocacy of freedom of choice, but a Social Darwinist society, or survival of the fittest. In a sense this pursuit of lawless liberty mirrors anarchical ideologies.

[@ChelsieBaybeeox]

Without the NHS, I’d probably be dead! 😬

[@emilyscloset2648]

honestly same

[@EADalton02]

Same

[@EinkOLED]

Not me. Rarely visit the doctor or hospital. And because it is free, the waiting times are ridiculous.

[@cazlaming]

Same, I have a rare blood disorder and with out the NHS my family and I would either be in debt or I wouldn’t be alive, I know that people in America with the same illness as me are in debt or they have died a few have died the age I am (I’m 32)

[@remi6656]

@@EinkOLED then you're lucky 🙄

[@elinorboese5818]

Here in England we have a service full of heros, who help you thanklessly even if it's your fault, who pick us up when we're at out lowest. Because human compassion comes before money.

[@ConnorEllisMusic]

Not just in England. The stand out voice of this video was a Welshie.

[@remi6656]

@@ConnorEllisMusic The NHS covers all of the UK, just with different sectors.

[@Joe-hi1zw]

@@remi6656 Yeah that's the point. The commenter should technically say UK.

[@asomina5069]

Some people complain about it because it is slow, but it's amazing as I have to go quite often.

[@Sarah22410]

ya I know right

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.” Aneurin Bevan

[@LongdownConker]

That's a great quote 💜

[@marcuswardle3180]

Derpimus Maximus The best quote ever!

[@romeovisca6431]

I used to live in LA, California. My story with the healthcare? I was a Student (mind you) , got a really bad infection from one of the TOP (mind you again) Gyms in Beverly Hills. You know the one. I wake up the next day with a massive rash on my left ankle that literally had me on my knees the moment I tried to get off the bed. It was so bad, a lot of puss and burning and sharp pain. First thing, I got into the car (i didnt call an ambulance because I knew thats was going to be either problematic or expensive , being the first time using that service in the US, not knowing how international insurance works, etc)and drove to the nearest ER which happened to be St Joseph in Burbank. I got there, clearly in pain and limping with some sort of liquids dripping down my slipper from my ankle. I had to sign some tons of paperwork then put on a waiting list. I had to wait for about 3 hrs before somebody saw me, whilst being in excruciating pain. Eventually somebody comes and tells me to go into this room, where I am being sat on a bed for another hour or so. Then a Nurse comes, takes a look, then a doctor I believe comes takes a look. They take some samples for testing. I am being given few more papers to sign. Then I am being released , given a prescription and sent off to get some painkillers. I go to that, take some pain killers, then the next day, being called from the hospital to go check in again with them. I do that, I see another nurse who tells me it is a Staph Infection and I need to carry on with the treatment, then I'm being released again. Few days later, the Hospital Management calls me and tells me they cant accept my Insurance company because they dont work with that specific Insurer (in UK it's Lloyds Bank but translates to a different company in the US) and they'll send me the bill. I said...OK. Whatever, I was still not feeling fine at all. Anyway, the bills comes the next day for ....$4500.00. Four thousand and five hundred mother fucking american dollars. I called in and asked (I was quite upset) if the motherfucking Pope had seen me when I visited them. As far as I know, 1 nurse saw me for 10 seconds, a doctor for another 2 minutes (1 of which I signed the papers) and another fucking bastard the next day. $4500.00??? For what??? They had sent me a detailed letter and the invoice quoted shit I never had done. 1hr Practitioner, IV treatment...wtf??? And St Joseph...its what they call "a respectable" hospital. The one close to WB Studios and all. Anyway, I gave them the middle finger and that was that. ANything up to $500 would ve been acceptable, I do appreciate someone's time and work, I do appreciate that these things cost and sometimes there might be insurance problems. BUT $4500.00??? There's no way in HELL you're getting that out of me. Fuck you and the horse you rode on!

[@Maddie-ol5oc]

I hope you didn’t pay it

[@eh-i1841]

I don’t blame you.It’s all shysterism,at it’s worst.

[@EibaProductions]

The funny thing is: USA has the highest cost of health care by far. And the health care systems is only "providing" the same life expactancy than in every developed country in the world. And I still do not get the fact, that some Americans are closing their eyes to these statics.

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

Funny peculiar, rather than funny ha ha, right? Because if you think about it, it's really sad.

[@Devkel15]

Nobody closes their eyes. US's healthcare system is terrible. It's just we don't have a privatized healthcare system, we have a mix between privatized and socialized. Statistics just side with privatized being the better option.

[@NextgenTraveler91]

yes because medicare and medicaid makes it illegal for doctors and hospitals to negotiate prices of medication, equipment, and treatments with companies that provide those things. If medicare/medicaid did not exist then the free market system would DRASTICALLY reduce the prices of things. The NHS has the exact same problem. Your government is not able to negotiate pricing either, so with that level of unchecked inflation, your medical services just keep costing more and more. It is why the NHS is going bankrupt.

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

@@NextgenTraveler91 patents exist, and a free market cannot exist with such constraints.

[@EibaProductions]

​@@NextgenTraveler91 I don't live in the UK, but in Austria. And here the national health insurance is actually negotiating prices with the companies. And companies are willing to sell the drugs to a fair price. And I highly doubt, that canceling medicare and medicaid would improve health quality in the US, due to the lack of affordability of the people in the program on the one hand, and due to hospitals who probably need to close because of dwindeling income. But I also highly doubt, that Americans would ever agree on a universal health care program, since it would mean a substantial cut of the paycheck.

[@SonOfAldabarran]

I don't get *some* Americans attitude to healthcare, the "Why should I pay for someone else who is sick, I've never been sick!". That reasoning is 1. Extremely selfish, possibly borderline sociopathic & 2. Completely asinine as many other things in the US are funded the exact same way the NHS is funded in the UK. Police - No American has ever said, "Why should I pay for the cops, no one I know has ever been robbed, assaulted, abused or killed?!" Fire Department - No American has ever said, "Why should I pay for the fire department, my house has never caught fire?!" Military - No American has ever said, "Why should I pay for the military, no one I know has ever been attacked by a foreign country?!" Roads & Bridges - No American has ever said, "Why should I pay for these, I don't use all the roads & bridges in America?!" Need I go on?

[@Echodolly6]

Exactly! Plus he said the average US health insurances costs $300 a month per person. Here in the UK, the NHS portion of our tax is around £5000 a YEAR for an entire family, whether that's a family of 4 or 12! So it's actually cheaper to pay the tax for a health service AND have the fuzzy, warm feeling of knowing you're also helping out people less fortunate than you. How is that bad? Do Americans enjoy paying more just to deny poor people some help?

[@fafski1199]

I know, it's not like the vast majority of people won't end up needing health care, sometime in there life anyway (especially when in their old age), so what's the damn problem, with some Americans attitude over it.

[@CallMeBeautifulRacoon]

@@Echodolly6 £5000 a year in national insurance? Is that just what you pay out of your wage? $300 dollars a month ($3600 a year) is a lot less especially considering currency. I don't want to ask how much money you make but shit, that's a lot😂 are you sure you're not talking about your whole taxes? Or how much your whole family makes? At the end of the day it's your contribution to the NHS so it's not really an argument to say it's for the whole family. Everyone in your family will each have to pay at some point in their life. Also, I'm English and I love the NHS. I just really don't know why it's so expensive for you.

[@joshmullins1087]

let me ask you something. how can you compare a healthcare system of 60 million people to that of 320 million. population size is nothing to scoff at when talking about money

[@CallMeBeautifulRacoon]

@@joshmullins1087 well, the majority of them 320 million will pay taxes, that's how it is comparable.

[@adelaamarante]

Wanna really scare Connie and Kim? I'm an American living in the US, I'm 30 years old and have suffered with chronic illness for around 12 years. I have approximately *one million US dollars* in medical debt. (By the way guys, I enjoyed the video! Difficult topic to tackle but you were all very entertaining and informative!)

[@daisyhighe8549]

holy shit dude what are you going to do??

[@CausticFox26]

Did you apply for charity care or ask for an exception? Most insurance agree once per policy. Research is key to losing debt. Also checking expense on the papers for inaccuracies. No need to frighten people about American health care. Most people complain when they haven't done proper research. Also if you're poor the US covers a large majority of insurance costs so I'd check that too. In NY a $50000 income with 3 people in a household qualifies for nearly $1000 off your monthly insurance costs. Absolutely no excuse to not apply.

[@ian1957ruth]

@@CausticFox26Is that using Affordable Health Care?

[@lo9804]

jesus fuck

[@ssetj2]

Krystian Painter not everyone lives in NY. We have 50 states with 50 different healthcare laws/funds.

[@KelliBannanas789]

I live in the US and have had 3 children via C-section, and on average spent 3 days in the hospital. When we received the bills we actually got billed me having skin to skin with my children after they were born... Not even 2 full minutes and it was a $35 charge for me to hold my own baby after they were born.

[@mae8646]

We should bring back midwives, birth at home and hopefully much cheaper

[@isoroxuk]

Is it like TV shows where kids are whisked away from the mother just after been born and put in a separate room?

[@KelliBannanas789]

@@isoroxuk With my first one yes, but with my next 3 (I have had another baby since making this comment) I got to at least keep my babies in the OR with me, but when I receive the itemized bill, skin to skin with my children was always on the bill, as were things like $500-$1000 for pain management medication (Tylenol and Ibuprofen)...

[@patmaurer8541]

That's because a nurse is brought in exclusively as lifeguard for your baby. She has no other duty in the OR than ensuring that a mum whose reflexes may be compromised by anesthesia or blood loss or just plain exhaustion doesn't have any mishaps with that precious bundle. That nurse is a highly trained professional who's there on very important duty. :-)

[@addicted2caffeine]

I grew up in France and I still find it weird not paying, now I live in the UK. Also something that really bugs me was while on my holiday to Newyork a few years ago the streets were full of homeless people but they had free public WiFi everywhere like I could walk for hours and never loose WiFi. Like that's crazy that NYC has free WiFi paid by the government but nothing for the homeless.

[@nitrousoxide4970]

Joshua Brown No... wifi isn't government funded. Who told you that?!

[@audreyvann5336]

There are actually many, many organizations that help the homeless. There are also state funded programs that help people pay for halfway houses, that give people money for food, that help them find jobs, etc. People who have drug and alcohol addictions sometimes do not avail themselves of shelters, etc. because they do not want to be drug tested. There are also mental illness issues at play. Someone who is leaving abuse or is out of work really does have a lot of options, not that these situations are simple.

[@BurritoKingdom]

@@nitrousoxide4970 NYC has free WiFi. Phone booths were converted to WiFi hotspots. The NYC govt has a contract with LinkNYC to convert the phone booths to WiFi hotspots

[@dyltack5349]

Michael San that’s the City of New York not the Federal government

[@addicted2caffeine]

Sorry I didn't realise there's a difference between government and city, they all were labelled NYC mayor of NYC or something. In the UK that would be the council offices ie your towns branch of the government. But that's a technicality, it's still free WiFi which in Europe you have to pay for it via bt at 20usd a day or something (starbucks and mcdys have free WiFi). As for the homeless not taking shelter that I don't know about. But take a glance anywhere in London and you won't see 100th of the amount. Phone booths? Yeah I saw loads of them was quite funny. They've gone the way of the dodo here 🤣

[@andrewharmony]

I would much rather wait a few extra hours than have to pay thousands of dollars tbh

[@johnhorter1859]

Be it known, I'm in the US, and i know that in the US you DO wait, AND you pay thousands of dollars. 63,000,000 people in the US like it this way, they voted for DJT who clearly gets his kicks off with high health care costs and allowing insurance companies to collect premiums without paying the claims, and worst of all allowing people to die because they don't have money for an operation or their medication when otherwise they could live.

[@colleenquinn8154]

I live in the us I have never had to wait for health care... I’m the one person who gets dirty looks from ppl in the emergency room bc I ‘cut the line’ But also I’m dying so. It’s fun. OMFG WHILE TYPING THIS COMMENT I REALZIZED I CAN BE ON MY PARENTS HEALTH INSURANCE FOR LIKE THREE MORE YEARS THEN I HAVE TO PAY FOR MY OWN. I use a life saving medication. W/o insurance would cost me $24,000 a month. I GOT THREE MORE YEARS TO LIVE

[@kristoffersparegodt420]

I mean I can’t speak for all of Europe, but in Denmark we don’t have those. Plus you’d never wait at all for anything necessary for your survival.

[@yogurLAPIZ]

@@kristoffersparegodt420 same in Spain, my brother had pneumonia and was in emergency with his friends because he started to get worse, the nurses saw him and asked few questions, then took him to a doctor and they set him to UCI care immediately, he called us after all the mess happened and we visited him. No bills to pay he had to stay 1 week in UCI and later 2 more in the hospital. They controlled his diet l, so food was included. Me on the other had I have escoliosis and sometimes is quite painful to even make me cry, but one day in a Sunday I had to wait 4h. After that no bills had my meds and an injection to help calm the pain. If I go to the emergency during week days I can have the same care but in less time anywhere on the city or country in any hospital. The same goes if I go to any EU countries, if I have my EU card tmi have free care and only have to pay meds at low price because it's covered. Surely social care is not the fastest depending on which days you go... But still never I had to worry over a bill or treatment, be psychological or phisical.

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

@@kristoffersparegodt420 You don't here. At the A&E (emergency room) you are triaged when you arrive and if you arrive by ambulance that is just a formality when you're brought in. If you had minor ailments then you can wait a few hours.

[@eleanor3860]

I can't even imagine how anyone survives in the US. Honestly, the thought of life without the NHS is terrifying

[@Monke-ht9kz]

Nah everybody lives normally, to most of the people here, the thought of paying taxes for a person who broke their leg is outrageous

[@jasondavis3774]

The problem with us Americans is the insane hatred for taxes, childish religious faith in the mythical "free market" and the lack of concept of 'investing in our society as a society'. However, alas, it appears that we are finally getting it... Took us decades, but it's finally clicking...

[@julesherman6802]

@@Monke-ht9kz Jesus.... no wonder the US is going downhill. BUt hey..your patriotism now means for hired or mercenary right? America.. land of the rich, poor be damned. Why should you care for your own countrymen who fell into an unfortunate circumstances.

[@Monke-ht9kz]

@@julesherman6802 Man I was just telling the truth, nobody who isn't a retarded lazy ass communist want NHS

[@Iyanjebu]

@@Monke-ht9kz OMG!!!!

[@helloesimon6393]

This makes me appreciate living in Canada so much. Healthcare is free and the wait has always been amazingly short. It's great.

[@NITOPSMOVE]

I'm not in Canada dude, But in Spain we also have free socialized medicine. I totally understand you bro.

[@Nickgamer5678]

Yeah the only problem about the nhs in the uk is that you have to wait a while cause i was in a and e the other day and i had to wait for 3 hours

[@venomtrigger5475]

@@Nickgamer5678 i don’t min waiting

[@jrgboy]

@@Nickgamer5678 The UK has a much larger population than Canada , 37 million v 70 million in the UK, the more people the longer the wait ..

[@AIHumanEquality]

​​@@jrgboyDo you think doctors and medical staff aren't part of the population? Lol. It's allocation of resources not the population. In the UK the Tories are always trying to cut costs to healthcare where as in Canada healthcare is controlled by the province governments not federally so it's a lot harder to cut it cause it effects the people who directly vote for you in a more local way so the conservatives can't make any bold cuts without shooting themselves in the foot.

[@chickenskink1]

I'm German and I really dislike how America will hate on anything that is in any way a socialist concept. Like, it doesn't matter whether it's socialist if it is genuinely for the betterment of society. Some socialist concepts are really good, like universal healthcare or public schools. Germany is a prime example of how to integrate socialist concepts into a capitalist society (even though of course there's still stuff going wrong) and I'm very happy to live here.

[@juliac.8927]

chicken skink but us Americans are idiots, because we kinda have a semi-socialist society, cause we pay for police, firefighters, schools, etc. so those that complain about not being a “socialist”, don’t realize they are paying into a semi-socialist society lol they’re stupid

[@pjokpopfan912]

@@juliac.8927 That totally reminded me of a Bill Maher quote, "Socialism is the reason you don't have to bring your own highway when you want to drive someone. "

[@AussieGirl235]

Human services, including law-enforcement, prison etc should always be socialised (paid for by taxes). Private business (for profit) should never have the power to decide whether someone lives or dies.

[@AussieGirl235]

@Julia C - Paying taxes is socialism. What seperates a first world country from one that is rapidly becoming a third world country is what the taxes are used for.

[@alenabujnowski8796]

I know Germany has a great track record with socialist governments

[@Livebreatheatsleep]

Welsh girl is great. Super intelligent and well spoken.

[@dimwitdave9344]

As much as I hate too lower the tone a little, she is also beautiful in the best way possible. Very little make up, just her being herself and looking, sounding and being attractive. These are the people that should be role models but the world prefers Kardashians. Sigh

[@morrobarry]

nar 6/10 at most she had bags under her eyes and a nose ring a definate no no

[@patfernandes7741]

Dr Barry's an idiot. Well-spoken or articulate? - She doesn't have a Welsh accent.

[@harry7608]

Im from barry in wales

[@maxmullen6337]

Livebreatheatsleep. Come on. Both women are very attractive.

[@TroyHoek]

I wish $70 it's more like $220. So many just don't understand the costs of healthcare in the US. Its broken!

[@evan]

Yeah the stat I put on screen said that too! My $70 number was actually the cost of a checkup I had in the states 6 or 7 years ago so I wanted to tell my experience AND the average (stat on screen)

[@TroyHoek]

Thanks for responding Evan!

[@evan]

My bad for not making it clear :)

[@bonk6264]

Troy Hoek 150 here

[@corycollier3548]

Right. The stat he put up is for a "mid-level sick" visit--probably the most common charge from an office. While I don't know what that would be today, I know a standard "check-up" for a 1yo kid would start at $150, without insurance/"self-pay", depending on any extra things that might be done.

[@TheLouisburrows]

I was born 9 weeks premature, in Scotland and had to spend about a month in the Special Care unit receiving like intensive care and such. If the normal American birth is like $30,000, I absolutely dread to think how much it would have cost if I were born in America.

[@adiuntesserande6893]

I have a friend who gave birth to a child seven weeks premature. Her daughter lived only five weeks, every day of which was spent in intensive care. Her bill was well north of a million dollars. ($1,277,000 if I remember correctly.)

[@danicleckley5404]

My youngest niece is 6 years old, and her parents are still paying off her birth debt.

[@H4ram]

@@adiuntesserande6893 That makes me want to throw up, how can americans accept this shit?

[@emporioalnino4670]

@@H4ram because a lot of americans just want poor people dead

[@eribraun92]

I and my twin brother were born seven weeks early in the US. Fortunately we didn’t have extra complications.

[@TheYopogo]

At 8:00 Evan was about to say "but you guys have bad teeth". According to the World Health Organisation, we actually have the #1 best teeth in the world. The difference is that there's no cultural expectation for our actors and famous people to get cosmetic dentistry when they get on TV, so when Americans see British people on TV they tend to have worse looking teeth than the Americans who you see on TV. But if you compare the teeth of poor neighbourhoods in, say, County Durham and poor neighbourhoods in, say, Alabama, you start to see how the British have better teeth.

[@eldictator1]

TheYopogo yeah there was a large scale study that showed british teeth are healthier overall with less procedures...like you say, our culture didn’t put as much emphasis on looks until recently

[@timaustin2000]

This is actually true: Brits have, generally speaking, better teeth than Americans - numerous studies on the matter.

[@Mashmarriner69]

My teeth are stained and crooked but they are extremely healthy. Straight, white teeth doesn't mean they are healthy.

[@rosey.100]

yeah, and i’d assume that’d be down to the fact that as kids our dentist visits are free so there’s nothing to stop our parents taking us, whereas in the us they’d have to pay for each visit and it would cost a ridiculous amount (also probably has something to do with our diets not being as sugary and stuff but yk)

[@klymers]

@@rosey.100 and I'm pretty sure as an adult dental care is still pretty affordable and everything (as long as its deemed necessary) is charged at a flat rate (correct me if I'm wrong, because of exclusions I've not had to pay for the dentist as an adult)

[@gordoncampbell3514]

Sorry BUT... If you cut off a finger or toe you will be seen immediately by the NHS, you will not wait, as in this type of injury time is of the utmost importance.

[@_s_9920]

Its really not. Unless you have cut the limb off, fatal injuries will be seen first in busy NHS hospitals. This is called triage. The NHS is getting more and more crowded evey month as the population continues to increase while the percentage of full taxpayers deacreases nearly as fast as the number of hospitals decreases. Kent is already resembling Mad Max in the waiting rooms.

[@icebergrose2614]

Same in New Zealand, it's free but if you bleed, you lead. It keeps the floors clean.

[@naomicampbell1702]

might be that way in England but in Scotland you would be immediately seen if you had cut off a finger etc.

[@roisinlivingstone6777]

@@naomicampbell1702 you would in England too. And if I'd cut my finger off I'd call an ambulance, which takes you to a different triage in most hospitals and you're seen straight away

[@zox8548]

Scar you will be seen immediately because a nurse or a doctor, resident or intern can stitch up your finger or toe. A surgeon will handle severe cases like amputations there is staff meant for smaller injuries and general illness

[@mekonta]

Kim should be proud to be Welsh as it was the Welsh that conceived the NHS. Mr Nye Bevan (a Welsh Labour Party politician) forwarded the idea just after the war and put notion through. A trial-run was set up in Wales for a year to see if the system worked. It did, and then it was put forward to be nationwide across the whole of the UK in 1948. Thank you Wales. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿💚🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@joshuniacke2442]

My dad says there should be a statue of nye Bevan in every village town and city in Britain

[@starfire7322]

Josh Uniacke bit much but ok

[@mekonta]

@@joshuniacke2442 They should have renamed the Severn Bridge after him instead of Prince Charles.

[@TheGarryq]

Actually after Churchill was defeated Attlee announced he would introduce the welfare state outlined in the 1942 Beveridge Report. This included the establishment of a National Health Service in 1948. Beveridge was born in Bengal.

[@paulbangash4317]

Adam Darren 👍

[@ninavinterova9875]

I broke my leg on a skiing trip in Austria. I was taken to the hospital by a helicopter, got an X-ray, a surgery (a rod and 4 screws put in my leg) stayed there for 4 days with my mom, food included, and then an ambulance came all the way from my country to take me home. The total cost of all of this was 15 euros (CD of the x-ray).

[@Alexamay3]

That’s a really good price if you think about it

[@hellointernetitsphilsfirst9397]

Yeah, the NHS has some problems but at least my family isnt going bankrupt because of the insulin I need to take to survive.

[@katemcburnie9815]

hello internet it's phils first video blog yeah being diabetic must be sooooo expensive in the US like can you imagine?

[@hellointernetitsphilsfirst9397]

@@katemcburnie9815 I know, it's scary

[@paul1467]

hello internet it's phils first video blog holy fucking fuck Imagine being diabetic in the us

[@yeetwallace6614]

500 a stitch!?!? Better using staples

[@taylorbritt499]

I would think that would be more expensive (to be done in a hospital), metal vs stitching thread? Metal is always more expensive, it seems.

[@KP-ev8by]

Its about the same, they don't actually bill per stitch, its more like an average cost. They charge you for the anesthesia and the anesthetist and the gloves and the disposable needle and the janitor that cleaned up after you bled on the sanitary mat that they also charge you for... You get the picture. Its not necessarily itemized down to the gauze, but it's close. On the bright side, it was free to get mine removed, but I still did mine myself incase they snuck in a charge lol

[@heliotropezzz333]

Or superglue.

[@jasondavis3774]

Thread and needles, my friend, thread and needles

[@darkiee69]

@@heliotropezzz333 Superglue and duct tape. No need for a doctor.

[@amaliacollins5691]

I'm American and I have an Indian friend who needed minor dental surgery (like getting his wisdom teeth out or something basic like that, I forget what exactly), and it costed him less to PURCHASE A ROUND TRIP TICKET TO INDIA, get the procedure there, and then come back.

[@villagersspawn]

Even in the UK where implants etc. aren't available on NHS subsidies, I know people who went to India instead of paying the prices here.

[@blazednlovinit]

@@villagersspawn A lady told me on the phone at work a couple month back how she had just been to turkey to get crowns on many of her teeth. It cost her £2,000 there and would be closer to £20,000 here

[@BUSHCRAPPING]

If you are paying tax the dentist is pretty expensive in the UK

[@blazednlovinit]

@@BUSHCRAPPING The most a dentist will cost you on NHS is £270, and if you need follow up treatment in the next 2 month there is no extra cost.... it's not bad really imo Band 1: £22.70. Covers an examination, diagnosis and advice. ... Band 2: £62.10. Covers all treatment included in Band 1, plus additional treatment, such as fillings, root canal treatment and removing teeth (extractions). Band 3: £269.30.

[@TerryODowd]

I have an Indian friend. His English is better than yours.

[@debbiemiles404]

My mother in law lives alone. One night about three years ago she fell in the night breaking her hip. She pressed her alert button (provided free)was taken by ambulance to the local hospital ,transferred to the city major hospital by ambulance. There she received an operation, had a couple of weeks in hospital, then was provided with visiting nurses. Later she had cleaners and carers come in daily. Total cost zero, nix, nil, nothing, including medication.

[@gilly4881]

Wonderful

[@supersmilyface1]

Not really related, but this comment gave me sever deja vu.

[@user-gi2kq5iu5l]

I never take NHS for granted, we are so lucky. Vote carefully tomorrow!

[@tordeskilbo]

What were the results, were they good for the NHS and the general public? I don't really understand Britain's political sides.

[@fxtshrahm2012]

@@tordeskilbo Tories, the NHS is going to get privatised.

[@tordeskilbo]

@@fxtshrahm2012 Fucking wankers.

[@yuz_ha]

shrahm it is now. And we have to pay now.

[@tomwalker9943]

Tord-Eskil don’t believe everything you hear, the nhs was never going to get privatised, nhs is better off now as the Tories didn’t go promising everyone free everything because they actually know about how the economy works

[@molly0358]

The NHS main flaw is that the government isn’t giving it enough funding and it gets funding cuts every year 😢

[@AB-qo2xq]

That's definitely an issue but so is the public massively abusing the system, using it like a hotel or to pick up the pieces after them making bad decisions. There is also a lot of litigation issues with these no win no fee firms taking action and taking money away from patient care.

[@WCamden]

Nothing to do with mass immigration at all

[@kou3459]

@@WCamden Actually "mass" immigration hasn't been much of a negative to the NHS. In the 1950s ex-colonies educated similarly to England's curriculum meant that lots of Indian/Pakistan doctors filled the NHS shortage and actually facilitated its workings. Even now, most migrants are very well educated and come into higher roles or fill shortages e.g. in agriculture, that the U.K needs. Their taxes contribute to the NHS too, so no, the NHS is not suffering because of mass immigration. It was founded on it, and still thrives on the skills of immigrants. It's just the austerity promoted by the Conservatives at the moment which is putting the NHS under major strain. more than previous decades.

[@WCamden]

Adrasteia there’s sooooo much wrong with your comment I don’t know where to start, I’m not going to waste my time when literally every point you made was completely factually incorrect. Do some research

[@AB-qo2xq]

@@kou3459 Immigrants have definitely helped the NHS recruiting professionals but if you compare the numbers relative to unskilled population coming into this Country you can't even compare, not to mention the issues surrounding language and cultural differences... At least Hunt has addressed some of these issues increasing University places for healthcare professionals

[@stephanburgess654]

Moral of the story is never get sick in America unless you are rich.

[@agonicole]

Not really most states offer free healthcare coverage for everyone.

[@fungamesandstories]

They offer free healthcare if you are poor. It's income based

[@kingtut7213]

@@agonicole Don't be stupid - it's only if you are below a poverty threshold. Yet for the majority of working class Americans on low to average income, they struggle in a predatory health 'care' system that they can't afford.

[@adolfhitler2338]

nicolelis I think it should be all the same so Rich pay the same as poor

[@agonicole]

@@adolfhitler2338 does all of the EU have the same health care... no. America is 50 individual states with individual rights. My state has universal health care so I'm fine

[@vinregret]

As a canadian I could never imagine going somewhere and living my life knowing that if I get sick I could go thousands into debt (best case scenario)

[@ThomasJHill]

Proud to be British. Long live the NHS 🇬🇧

[@carsieplg]

Part of any trade deal with the USA after brexit will be privatization of the NHS

[@ThomasJHill]

@@carsieplg fake news

[@carsieplg]

@@ThomasJHill Why did the government refuse not to add it to any trade deal with the USA

[@harryman01]

Yep , US will push for the privatisation of NHS ,

[@randomshotz13]

Can't wait for the tories and brexit to chop it up and sell it to American Medical services, probably lump in big pharma to start our own opiod epidemic

[@Chilukar]

I don't get why you would have "socialised" defence, border patrol and policing but be against "socialised" healthcare.

[@blazednlovinit]

That a very good way of framing that point.

[@FelixMeister]

Although to be fair, there are vocal lobby groups wanting more and more privatised 'defence'.

[@Chilukar]

@@FelixMeister not heard of that, not even sure how it would work. Some gated community with its own tanks?

[@FelixMeister]

@@Chilukar no, more usage of and greater reliance upon private military contractors.

[@Chilukar]

@@FelixMeister so it is still socialised defence, just using public/private partnerships.

[@MeFreeBee]

I got knocked off my bike a while back and lost a lot of skin from my lower leg over an area about the size of my hand. It was full of grit and I wasn't looking forward to cleaning it out myself. As I was half a mile from my local GP's surgery I went in on the off chance. My wound was skilfully cleaned and patched up within 20 minutes by Max the practice nurse, with whom I swapped cycling stories. I had a follow up appointment for the next day to change the dressing and was given some more dressing to apply myself later on. Despite having the biggest scab ever, my wound healed wonderfully. This was all 100% free. Sometimes I just love the NHS and all the people who work for it.

[@evan]

Glad it all worked out :)

[@user-cm6vx4im2s]

“Help please I’m bleeding out” US healthcare: cards details please?

[@Wistbacka]

Close. They actually check ur insurance first if you are conscious, something they neglect to show in hollywood medical dramas.

[@eye_of_pluto]

The NHS definitely has its issues, but they've helped so many people. From saving lives, to simply easing pain and improving quality of life. Coming from a poor family, I had serious health problems as a baby that made it difficult for me to breathe. I had really bad asthma and I became seriously ill. If my family hadn't had access to the NHS, I doubt I'd be here today.

[@tricky778]

Did they remove the asthma yet? Are they just waiting for some more income when you get more ill?

[@MrMatsudi]

I agree the NHS does have a giant, Tory-shaped issue. Sticking off the side of its head like a malignant tumour.

[@suzyparker8303]

You'd wait in the ER in America as well for people who had more urgent issues. It's no different. If someone in the waiting room had a more serious issue, they'd be seen before you would.

[@darkiee69]

It's called Triage.

[@AbiJSC]

Yeah but the waiting times in the uk are a lot longer because of the understaffing...

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

The ER is free in the US. They can send you a bill, but if your broke and jobless they have no way to collect.

[@johnhorter1859]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q Hospitals will garnish your paycheck once you do get a job. There may be laws against garnishing paychecks, but laws don't apply to big money interests like hospitals. They do what they want, and there's nothing you can do about it.

[@malenacalle1512]

@Dojocho lmao it was a joke ..

[@ImAmazing1397]

The NHS is great, but it needs funding + reform. When it was founded in the late 40's, obviously the UK was very different. Our population, immigration rate, the types of illnesses that were prevalent, were all different. The problem is that the governments in power since its founding have done very little to progressively transform the NHS to meet changing societal needs. We often hear in the news that "we need to put money into the NHS". The NHS needs more than money; it needs a transformation (that is not entire privatisation)!

[@03aparker]

You're so right! the trouble is, a transformation would cost a butt load of money.... and the cycle continues...

[@jpw6893]

@@03aparker The problem is it's used as a political football.

[@EinkOLED]

It should be renamed as IHS or International Health Service.

[@03aparker]

Jason Williams I agree totally - used in political mind games to sway the public. Instead of actually giving a shit

[@jpw6893]

@@03aparker Yeah....it's used to gain votes. Unless it's taken out of that cycle it won't change

[@Twiglet015]

My mum was an orthoptist for the NHS before she retired and had always said the biggest problem isn't funding, it's mismanagement. She said the matron system was so much better. Then they started hiring managers that were either straight out of university or came from managing a Tesco and had no idea what they were doing.

[@eh-i1841]

The matron system was brilliant.I worked as a nurse,at the end of the 60’s.Both hospitals I worked in,ran like clockwork.

[@uns0ciable4ever]

“The NHS is the closest thing the UK has to a national religion” - Nigel Lawson

[@samuel_excels]

I don't think Nigel Lawson (a former Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer, brexiteer hypocrite and climate change denier) was saying this as if it were a good thing. However in purely literal terms without the political subtext he is probably right, the British in general are very proud and protective of the NHS. TBH the NHS is a lot better than most, if not all, other religions...

[@uns0ciable4ever]

Samuel Smith im not suggesting he was, not a fan of him by ANY means but i think he was completely right. and i, of course, am proud of the uk’s pride and love for the NHS :)

[@stokesy887]

Samuel Smith I disagree. The Catholic Church operates 10000 orphanages, 140000 schools, 5000 hospitals and 16000 health clinics. Every year they spend between £2-£4 billion on aid, making it one of the largest aid agencies in the world.

[@kieranmackenzie1323]

Samuel Smith all I'm saying is I think the football following across the uk is more of a religion than the NHS. That shits like the illuminati of the uk

[@shanehull6235]

Harry Ward making up for centuries of homophobia child rape sexism and racism and also doing poorly at it all they care about is converting people to their twisted retarded ideology

[@elliembh1726]

The NHS is literally the most amazing thing ever. I recently got injured kind of badly and it was incredible how easy it was to get sorted just because it was all free (technically) yet there's still people who disagree.

[@gothtransgorl3447]

The big problem with American healthcare is that over here, they treat hospitals as businesses instead of a necessary service

[@jordanwinters2975]

That's because in America they are businesses, Hospitals are usually owned, at least in Indiana, by colleges. I Don't agree with it but that;s how it is for now.

[@LivingLifeSlower]

Because Capitalism

[@esheel826]

They also treat University as and student loan as a business

[@creyes4182]

USA: we have the best economy in the world! Also USA: We can’t afford universal healthcare, even though everyone else can.

[@kingtut7213]

Best economy in the world but one of the worst developed countries to live in unless you're rich. Predatory health 'care' where people can become homeless due to medical bills, astronomical college debt, recent hookworm outbreaks in the south (which only happen in impoverished countries), communities without clean drinking water, tipping culture and horrible workers' leave and trade union rights, military grade weaponry available to people with severe personality disorders, corporations which are some of the world worst polluters. The US isn't in the top 10 for any rank: not for education, happiness index, equity, or eco preservation. The things they do rank in are 2nd in poverty rate in a developed nation and 1st for military spending, which funds pointless fracturing wars in the Middle East while Americans at home struggle from paycheck to paycheck. It is a dystopian country in many aspects, and yet still I get Americans telling me "they live in the greatest country on earth" and the cringiest line one once told me, "the last bastion of freedom in the West". Empty words spoken by debt slaves. There needs to be great change in the US.

[@christopherdipierro2471]

@@kingtut7213 It's actually not, most people live comfortable lives in the middle class, and even those that live in the "poverty" line still make and have more than many other countries. You people are completely arrogant and self-centered, we are the only ones funding to fight off terrorism from spilling into your countries, not to mention that after every tragic incident in other countries, who do they have their hands out to for help, oh that's right the US. We also had to help you guys in World War II from getting your asses handed to you. Along with countries that have some socialized healthcare and education are falling apart, just look at Sweden as an example. We live in the greatest country in the world solely because you have the freedom to do just about anything, and if you make good decisions and spend money wisely you can start a successful business and jump up classes. We have restrictions on buying guns, you can't have a mental disability and own a gun, you most certainly can't own military-grade equipment without having the proper licensing and it's expensive as fuck to prevent it from being easy to access, and many military weapons are illegal to own unless you are a Veteran or Police officer, which brings up the point that you guys aren't exactly murder free over there either. Unlike your country, you don't need a college degree to start a business and make tons of money, like the fact that there is a capital competition in the United States it increases the advancements in technology and lowers costs, you've got to make a better product and better pricing then your competition to make a sale.

[@kingtut7213]

Christopher DiPierro Let me guess, the countries where your poor make more than are second or third world. Everyone makes more money than people in Venezuela, it’s a socialist country... But you have literally have one of the worst living wages in the first world... Also, lovely American exceptionalism at play, where you just assume my country has all these drawbacks because it’s not American. In my country, you don’t need a college degree to start a business, and you can move classes far more easily because you aren’t saddled with debt, and you can make a liveable wage with any job. But if you do want a college degree, you don’t have to pay astronomical amounts and accumulate interest, which is just incredibly sad. Also, your dream to start a business won’t be ruined by unexpected insane medical debt. Imagine having to spend all your money on health insurance and education... Also, Sweden is not falling apart, your media are such incredible fear-mongerers. Maybe stay off Fox News. The US Army has also fractured half of the Middle East under the guise of fighting for freedom and has pulled Australia into every war, including the Vietnam War which it lost. You’re literally exemplifying my comment. I know it’s so crazy to picture that other people in other countries might live much more comfortable and happier lives with even more benefits and money than the majority of Americans...

[@irinabalduzzi3509]

I really don’t understand why is it OK to PAY to a company to refuse whatever law demands vs PAY the state to cover everything you could need for next to nothing? I mean, the public sector of our healthcare system has a shit ton of flaws, but in the end they are the ones that save your life. And you are still paying for healthcare anyway. In my country you have both: public and insurance, and insurance has a. Prettier building and less time for waiting, but they don’t cover everything, and you still have to purchase your prescriptions with no complete coverage (min by law is 40% and max you get with premium plans is 80%). If rather had a public sector with a shit ton of funding. And I would be paying the same.

[@tabernathy0428]

@@kingtut7213 You seemed to have bought the propaganda. America is the best place to live if you are poor, middle class, or rich. Poverty in America means you have to settle for the iphone XR instead of the iPhone 11 Pro Max. Poverty in America means not having designer clothes, having to settle for a cheap cable package, or having to share a car. Everyone who is supposed to go to college in the United States has the option to go for free. They might not want to go to that particular university so they choose to take out loans and go to a school they can't afford. I live in Tennessee one of the bottom 10 states in the U.S. and the requirements for free college are a 2.75 GPA. Which is a C student. If you are not a C student in high school then college is probably not for you. Americans are never going to give the government dominion over their lives.

[@thomascowling466]

Great interesting topic

[@evan]

Thanks! :D

[@melododie]

I agree

[@mustanggirl68]

American expat here. I had two babies on the NHS with about a week in hospital for each with medication required afterwards. £0 total. Also got gas and air during the delivery which was AMAZING! Love love love the NHS.

[@teethgrinder83]

Gas and air isn't given routinely in America when giving birth? Damn here in Scotland I've been given gas and air every time I dislocated my shoulder (I have epilepsy and when I have a violent seizure sometimes my right shoulder dislocated and I have to go to hospital to have it put back in place, it's happened around 20 times lol), I once went through a whole cannister of the stuff because the metal screws I'd had put in had broken so it took a lot of time and careful manipulation to get it back in place, I dread to think how much that would have cost in the USA lol

[@christinanicole5740]

Gas and air are not routine here in the US. I received air at the time of giving birth because I had a cold and was very congested but it wasn’t routine. If you want pain relief you have a choice of taking medicine to take the edge off or you can get an epidural (spinal) to be numb from the waist down (for the most part) or go the natural route without any help for the pain. For the cost, I live in a rural area and went to a rural hospital and to have a baby last year with just staying one night, epidural, and aftercare and meds for home my total bill was around $4,000. Once my insurance paid I had around $1,500 to pay out of pocket. When I looked at the bill breakdown it showed for my baby to stay in the Nursery overnight outside of feedings so I could sleep it was $800! I thought well when the nurse came in and asked if I wanted my baby in the nursery and said oh by the way it’ll be $800 I would have said no thank you! Lol So the healthcare system is flawed for sure.

[@darkiee69]

@@christinanicole5740 How much would the local veterinarian charge you? ;)

[@robertgronewold3326]

The one major problem in the US healthcare system IS the insurance companies, as well as the medical companies. Their interest does not center around curing you. It centers around 'treating' you. Making you fully healthy is not profitable, but making you pay for treatments and medication for extended is extremely profitable.

[@fjellyo3261]

Same goes for prison!

[@grace171]

'most of the nhs accidents are drunk related' wow . Thats so british ㋛︎

[@cantthinkofaname3344]

you mean northern?

[@saxx9088]

Charlie Roberts no British

[@reichtangle7734]

No he means chavs.

[@JimmyJr630]

@@reichtangle7734 Umm normal people can get drunk too

[@moodycowcrafts4862]

That's why in some student areas they started doing 'SOS' buses, to try and catch drunk people before they injure themselves.

[@rhiannonfisher2792]

There are so many people in the US who have started calling Ubers instead of an ambulance because it’s so damn expensive :/

[@sebastianmoon7811]

Rhiannon Fisher i mean I’d rather take an uber or tough it out but yea when i think about its it’s really fucked up

[@thwalesproductions]

@K Brodini depends where you are really. I live in Snowdonia which is full of mountains. But only 7 miles from a major hospital, response times are usually within 15 mins also in peak times.

[@Dominate955]

@K Brodini Just to note that they prioritise based on severity. For example they will respond faster to someone having a heart attack over someone who's broken their leg.

[@paulhill1665]

Because anyone can go to A& E or ER as called in America, and will be seen, for whatever reason, the wait can be long, 4 hours is common. The urgent cases will be seen quicker. I had to take my wife to A&E, it was a holiday in the UK, so normal Doctors were not working, the place was packed, they had a sign saying wait was over 4 hours but everyone would be seen. We waited, I think, 8 minutes, and she was admitted to a ward in 20 minutes. We were given a 24/7 telephone number at the hospital to call, if we had to go back we just called and they would be waiting. Later we had to get medical equipment at home, special bed, oxygen equipment etc, all supplied free, we had support from local nurses and again had a 24/7 number to call them if required. There are problems with the NHS, not just money, and sometimes it goes wrong, but we could not fault the support we were given.

[@CallMeBeautifulRacoon]

It makes me so angry when people go to A & E for things they could go to the doctor or pharmacist for.

[@kimwexler9393]

@@CallMeBeautifulRacoon Calm down Millicent, you'll give yourself a nose bleed.

[@crystalthomas922]

The same thing happens in the US. I waited with my friend and her 5 year old daughter for 4 hours and her daughter had a coin lodged in her throat partially obstructing her airway. She had insurance. We also have a problem where the uninsured use the ER for minor problems then never pay the bill. This puts the financial burden on the hospital who then places it on the patients who do pay. Why do you think stitches are $500 per stitch or an ambulance ride is over $1000? We pay for the uninsured already but in a far less cost efficient way than if we just had our taxes pay for healthcare.

[@CallMeBeautifulRacoon]

@@crystalthomas922 I thought it was just for greed. It's not like anyone can do anything about it. If you need stitches, you can't just have a go at it yourself. I thought they could just charge anything. I thought that life threatening issues were treated for free.

[@crystalthomas922]

Millicent Bowers it is true that they can charge what they want and greed certainly plays a big role but they also recoup the cost of the services provided to the uninsured that will never be paid. Emergency care is not free to the average American. It is free or close to free for medicare and medicaid recipients only. Private and commercial insurance can cover the services but you typically have high premiums in cases like that. However, one benefit of having insurance is that you get what’s called “contracted rates”. This means your insurance provider has a contract with the doctor and/or hospital to offer services at a lower rate than if you had no insurance at all. For example, that $500 stitch will now only cost the contracted rate of $250. Our healthcare cost and insurance coverage is very complex. Most Americans do not fully understand it. I used to work in insurance before I became a nurse

[@hugo_xiv]

unreal to hear this kind of stuff. When I was born my mother had to be airlifted two hundred miles to a hospital as our local one was in a rural area (Northern Scotland) and was too small to deal with any complications, especially as it was twins. After arriving at the bigger hospital in Aberdeen, me and my brother were born, around three weeks premature. Because of this we were put in incubators, and had to stay in the hospital for another two weeks. Despite my mum recovering enough to be able to leave after a few days and my dad having no health problems either, the hospital gave both of them accommodation in the hospital for those two weeks, free of charge. The cost of that flight alone in the US would have been high enough that, eighteen years later, my parents would still be paying off the debt for my birth, and as a consequence, despite good grades and free Scottish University tuition fees i still would not have been able to afford to move away from home to study at University. Fortunately all of it was free at the point of use. People against the NHS assume that the vast majority of people can take the financial hits that illness/health problems cause, and perhaps they're right, my relativity poor family could have technically afforded to slowly pay off the debt over the next decades, for my birth and various other small health problems we've had over the years. However, the long reaching implications of these costs are often ignored. Paying the debt would have stopped me and my brother from studying at University, my dad would not have been able to expand his business, we may not have been able to afford quality end of life care for my grandparents. I'm not sure i would have been able to live with myself in the american system with the horrible truth that the simple fact of my existence would have put my whole family down for decades.

[@NoName-ev2uw]

Paul Stewart Yeah I live in Scotland so healthcare is free but my brother was born 10 premature and it’s worrying thinking what the cost would have been for his birth, medicine, vaccines, surgeries and for my mum to be in hospital for 2 weeks and my brother being in hospital for almost 15 weeks. And then also all the appointments after those 15 weeks with doctors and midwives. I’m so grateful that we live in Scotland because we might not have a house, or be able to afford food if health care and prescriptions weren’t free.

[@ehallwood]

wow so grateful to live in Scotland

[@ElliKeen]

These prices he's quoting is on the high side! $150-300 for ambulance/ER not $1k and insurance covers airvacs, etc. Max out of pocket a year for family is $700-7000. For medicine I pay $0-300 max $4 is typical cost. Dr appt $10 - $45 even specialists. X-rays, stitches, etc are typically covered. It cost me out of pockets $450 for the entire pregnancy from conception to birth. It's not so crazy in a lot of States. He must be from California?? People forget that the UK is the size of a third of Texas. And their taxes are more than ours. The USA is way larger. There are way more people. The costs would be more than the $500 month out of pocket that I pay now because we have people who will avoid paying their share of taxes. Not to forget that we have $10k + immigrants week/month entering our country that we do provide basic care for to screen and treat anything they are bringing in the country with them. How could we afford the exorbitant costs of free healthcare and still be innovative? Most states, if not all, have medical coverage for kids under 18 if requested...it's just lots of paperwork. We have Medicaid for people who don't have insurance, you have to request it and qualify based on income, and then the govt will pay for it. But that is flawed in the control the necessity of medical care. I'd rather have myself and the Dr control what I need for care and submit it to someone I have leverage over (the insurance company) than the have the government ultimately decide on my healthcare.

[@jennifer7895]

@@ElliKeen His quotes can be accurate for some people. I also dont remember if his quotes where with insurance or without. People's insurance are vastly different depending on what their employers offer. I was with a company for many years and had myself and my child covered for a low cost that provided great insurance. When I was offered another (better) job I had to consider the price difference in covering a child. Covering 2 at old job was the same cost for just me at new job. Luckily his dad could cover him, because there was no way I could go afford to cover a child at the new job rate. As for the ambulance/ER cost. My son and I were in a car wreak 10 years ago. Before insurance, our ambulance trips cost over 2,000. Son hospital bill was about 5,000. And mine was over 20,000. We were in the ER for about 4 to 5 hours and went home.

[@hezziattubeyou]

I was born in wick but I was premature so I had to be transferred to the premi ward in Inverness because they didnt have one at wick.

[@jrgensneisen6021]

I read about a guy in norway who accidentaly ordered an air ambulance while in the mountains. He cancelled, they still came to him just to say hi, flew back without him and he did not have to pay

[@Inferiis]

that's a different thing tho. As far as I know if you call the services for no reason they can issue a fee (at least here in Hungary). And I'd say it is reasonable, you're wasting valuable manpower. Someone may die just because you ordered an ambulance for a ride

[@ukguy]

7:25 I work in an NHS pharmacy and can assure you that when we get cheaper generic drugs instead of named brand drugs they are fully licensed and have the identical ingredients. i.e. you can get Nurofen for £3 or Ibuprofen for 30p, it's the exact same active ingredient just much cheaper for the tax payer.

[@amandamandamands]

Totally agree for over the counter drugs, for some prescription drugs even though they have the same active ingredients so should work the same they don't always - once learned it the hard way, generic from same company worked and generic from different company didn't. Was bad enough that I managed to get my repeat filled early so that I could get a different brand instead.

[@mackereltabbie]

yeah and if for some reason the generic version of a drug doesn't work as well for you (my exp.: because filler/carrier substance didn't work so well w/my IBS) your dr can specify you need to get the brand name one

[@tayetrotman]

I’m a 17 year old A Level History student. I study Britain from 1851 to 1964 as one of my units. I am astonished to find the number of similarities between the Victorian UK and the modern day USA in it’s policies and attitudes. Of course in many ways the US is far more progressive than Victorian UK. But there are some concerning similar laissez-faire attitudes towards things like healthcare.

[@kazeveready4915]

how can the americans be more progressive if the same attitudes and similarities between the ages be the same as they are in america in the present day?? that makes no sense.if america was more progressive it wouldnt have similarities with the UK in the 1800s? you wouldnt have any similarities if you were more progressive presently..think about it

[@Gabriel.4190]

How are they similar, I'm interested.

[@tayetrotman]

Kai Everill It’s more progressive because it’s accepting of things like emotions and homosexuality and things.

[@tayetrotman]

Gabriel There aren’t many similarities to be honest, I think I probably sensationalised a bit. But I think the attitude of some to healthcare and welfare are the best examples. There are many Americans who are against single payer healthcare and the US welfare state is quite small for the population. The aim of many Americans (especially Republicans) to have a small, laissez-faire government and the idea that they should not have to spend their money to help other people is what is similar.

[@kazeveready4915]

@@tayetrotman come on now fella america does not except the trans community in the slightest so that means it does not believe in the lgbt community if it did there would be no issue at all..emotions? does that also mean america fully supports and funds mental illness?

[@cyberdan42]

The UK. When you can afford to wait you wait (life vs discomfort), when you need emergency care it's available. Cost is negligible. The US. When you can afford it your care is excellent and prompt, but it will cost you unless you have insurance. When you can't afford it you are doomed, no matter how good or fast the care is it doesn't matter if you simply can't pay for it or if paying for it bankrupts you.

[@MaladaptiveMischief]

"In the us we don't have any wait time." I've had an appointment to see a neurologist for almost 2 years now lmao

[@TagGeorge]

Yep just trying to set up an appointment frequently is a adventure in waiting.

[@supersmilyface1]

When I was a kid I got nursemaid's elbow a few times and once had to wait at least 3 hours before they took me in and fixed it within 15 minutes. I was about 4 at the time and I got home at midnight. It wasn't by any means an emergency, but it hurt to move my elbow at all during that time (and I was a tired 4-year-old, so, not the best day).

[@TagGeorge]

@@supersmilyface1 Do not know what nursemaids elbow is but if it was a non emergency how did you get in that quick?

[@supersmilyface1]

@@TagGeorge Probably because I was a little kid. There also weren't too many people in the waiting room.

[@davidjack9217]

As a person living in the UK, I had the benefit of a company funded private health cover, as well as being entitled to NHS cover. The only time I used a private health visit was specific to a neurological issue called Peripheral Neuropathy brought on by an adverse reaction to Statins. The 'private' Consultant Neurologist had never heard of the link with Statins, while my NHS GP had identified a number of these diagnosis, but recognised the possible delay is seeing a NHS Neurologist of possibly more than 6 to 9 months. The tests ultimately carried out confirmed his diagnosis and only took 2 weeks at a cost to the private insurance of £800. I give thanks to the NHS for having saved my life. A wonderful institution loved by ALL people in the UK, no matter what political persuasion they support.

[@MichaelRGB]

Obamacare has been life changing for me. I'm young and have had to have a handful of surgeries that would have put me in so much debt, though I only pay around 20 odd dollars a month. Im terrified to think of how my life would be if I couldn't afford these surgeries and monthly medication.

[@audreyvann5336]

And yet it quadrupled the cost of insulin. We were much, much better off before.

[@fionafiona1146]

I am in Germany and pay 60€ for a year of insurance (and 600€ towards tuition, 400 of which is public transport).

[@daycel13]

Well congratulations to you! Because of Obamacare I was fined 800 dollars of my tax return because I didn’t have insurance and I never went to the doctor or anything for that full year. So congrats that it worked out for you but my money was taken from me because of that awful horrible program.

[@bronwenkubiak7666]

The USA NEEDS a better health care system 😞

[@rich7447]

Every country needs a better health care system, but it is all about finding the balance between care availability, quality and cost.

[@dpulliam]

YES THEY DO

[@jazzx251]

@@rich7447 No it isn't. Care should be automatic - from cradle to grave. Start from there, then work out how to pay for it [taxing the super rich is a good start]. To deny ANYONE healthcare is essentially murder - or at the very least "gross negligence". Healthcare is a right ... not something that you "work towards" ("one day I will be able to afford a doctor!") Get yourself an American Health Service Rich - you will never look back.

[@CausticFox26]

Nope. America needs to educate itself better on the situation. The UK is taxed 50% on income for an American average salary that Americans are taxed only 22% of. If you got taxed 50% you wouldn't be able to afford hardly anything and your healthcare would be free. But since you get to keep more than half your income your government makes you responsible for paying health costs which if you do the math costs you less. Would you rather lose 50% of your income and get free health insurance or only lose 22% and pay 1000$ for a decent health care plan. By the way America on top of only charging you 22% also use 17.2% of it's annual budget to help Americans get insurance. Everyone that complains about it is simply uneducated and lazy.

[@rich7447]

@@jazzx251 Not a big fan of economics I see. I currently live in the US and have received excellent care. That is more than I can say for the time when I lived in Canada or the UK.

[@sundusirshad5523]

Just wanted to drop a quick comment to clarify something mentioned in the video as a pharmacist working in England : - Pharmacists don't order in 'cheaper' versions of the medication, what we use in the UK is generic manufactured medicines i.e. unbranded, without patents. The drug itself is the exact same as a branded version and would have gone through many stages of approval before being manufactured. Branded medications are ordered in where the pharmaceutical company still owns the patent and there is no generic form available, but after the patent runs out the drug can then be manufactured by other companies as a generic form and therefore this is more cost-effective. Hope that makes sense ! The NHS essentially works on evidence based cost effective medications :)

[@oliviahunt2760]

I work in the theatres in the NHS it is annoying that you have to wait but we get so many people who are so close to losing their lives and need to be moved fast through a and e and into theatre. So something that isn't life threatening you have to wait unfortunatly.

[@ladyjane8855]

Needed surgery one day (in the US) and it kept being put back because of emergencies. Finally went at 11pm but didn't mind. They just keep going until the list is finished here, which may account for the shorter wait times.

[@oliviahunt2760]

@@ladyjane8855 we have long wait times in emergencies because it's full of people who not actually Ill because it's free healthcare.

[@ladyjane8855]

@@oliviahunt2760 yes, people take advantage if free stuff. A £50 fee at reception would stop most of that. Banning drunks would empty the place 😄😄😄😄

[@ShintyShinto]

I appreciate that emergency cases always come first, but as a patient waiting 6 months for lung surgery and then being cancelled on 2 days before the date, you can't help but feel like you'll be an emergency case yourself soon.

[@craighead4951]

“America’s a free country”. How do you explain 500 dollars for a stitch. Don’t get manipulated by the movies.

[@davidnelson7779]

I once had two of my fingers turned to hamburger . The Doctor spent four hours putting the puzzle back together. after healing you can't even tell I was that torn up. Imagine my surprise when the bill came to. $400.

[@MultiMetar]

@@davidnelson7779 tbf, that sounds like a good enough price for the injury you're describing. Stitches are way less serious a treatment than what your awesome doctor did

[@daulken]

Don't get manipulated by ignorant KZbinr's who have no idea what they're talking about either.

[@MultiMetar]

@G Walker 400 bucks to restore a mangled hand back to normal? That's a fair price for the surgery, no matter how stingy you are. There are far worse rip offs in the world(notably in the American system).

[@MultiMetar]

@G Walker that's not the point though. If the guy was treated in America, then you can be sure that instead of 400, he'd have to pay 4000

[@TheMaraki2]

A healthy, well-educated population is good for the country as a whole.

[@phoenix_lament27]

The US actually does have pretty long wait times for the ER (A & E). Also to get in to see a specialist in the area I live in you have to wait anywhere from 2 months - 1 year. We are 70% under staffed medically for the population. I know not everyone has this situation, but in Northern AZ we definitely have it. It frustrates me to no end!

[@ScoundrelDaysSon]

It is very real thing that the US has a lower ratio of doctor's to patients than the UK. One more of its deficiencies that marketing does a bang up job of covering up.

[@julianahebenstreit9722]

Southern AZ too! Pretty much all the doctors live elsewhere and only travel to my area once a week or once a month (my OB comes only once a month, and there are a lot of people that need her!). I also had to travel a few hours to Tucson for an outpatient surgery because it would cost too much to bring the anesthetist to my city and I guess we didn't have one ourselves. Covid helped a bit in the sense that more docs are set up for telehealth now. But still, try calling my ob for an appt....number 36 in queue on the phone....and then they'll probably tell me that they don't have any for the next 6 months+ but I'm welcome to call every day (on hold for hours) and ask if there's been a cancellation.

[@asma4241]

i was going to move to the us after the America vs England exam video but I think I would rather just stay in England thanks

[@brianl2035]

Good choice. I wish I had the money to move out of the US. Here in the US, we're only one accident/injury and/or illness away from complete bankruptcy. Other countries had paved the way in ensuring it's citizens are not bankrupted because of a illness or injury to them, but the US refuses to acknowledge how medicare for all would not only save families from financial ruin, but really boost our economy. Greedy politicians would rather take kickbacks from Big Pharma and insurance companies to vote against healthcare for all than vote in favor of it to ensure citizens their right to life. They choose money over life.

[@daniellimach5787]

That's hilarious that in the US, you can walk around with guns but have to pay to stay alive xD

[@yeetlebeetle]

Yep, i can be shot without many people getting up and arms in it,, but don't take me to a hospital cause I will go way in debt

[@MelAsYouSaidIssa]

That is so accurate and yet still shocking

[@yoe-c5x]

HA HA HA, absolute joke!

[@Irishnapalm2341]

So its hilarious that in the US you have a right to protect yourself but its weird that people have to pay for someone else's labor as opposed to the tax payers taking on your medical debt? I know personal responsibility was at an all time low but damn.

[@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963]

Irishnapalm2341 So, there’s this thing called empathy. Heard of it?

[@inanotherlife333]

This was interesting, although as others have said there were a few incorrect comments about the NHS. One thing that I wanted to comment on was the idea of only being able to present 1 issue to a GP: GPs do have limited time for their appointments and will try to triage issues so that they can sort the most important ones first, but of course you are able to discuss multiple issues in one session. However, you do also need to be realistic about what you can discuss in 10-15 mins, especially if you want a high quality service and to fully explore your issues (particularly if they are related to mental health, as these issues should be granted more time to fully discuss). I think that this kind of comparison between healthcare systems would also be really interesting to host with an American healthcare professional and an NHS healthcare professional, to get a more inside opinion of the differences in how these systems operate and what the differences in experience in working in these systems are.

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

NHS GP appointment slots...if you need more time to discuss a particular issue (or multiple) you can just request a longer appointment when you book.

[@NITOPSMOVE]

So I have dual citizenship in Spain and the US (American mother Spanish father) so I grew up in the US and was always adjusted to people paying for medication. So the summer of 2019 I get a high fever like pretty bad shape. I'm in my house for about a whole day. Speak to my mother on the phone and I say "Yeah mom, don't want to go to the doctor it's to expensive" as soon as I said that I realized I fucked up xD she says son you have access to free healthcare! Made it to the doc, they swiped my insurance card and boom saw the doc was given antibiotics picked it up at the pharmacy (on guard in Spain) there's always a pharmacy available regardless of time. 10 out 10.