Hearthstone finally did it

[@corvus2288]

No you don't get it, the buff to Ranger Gilly is actually a buff for priest, because now you can't summon him from Aman'Thul and clog your hand with crocolisks, which is great

[@antusThul]

They buffed mah boi :D

[@meisalonowo9064]

@@corvus2288 so the buff for razzle dazzler is nerf buff then?

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

this is the type of thing that made me put the card "stars allign" down. it makes the "RNG" feel a bit TOO suspicious...

[@raize8316]

the 3/3 elemental that gives 2 random temporary frost spell will now have a 10 mana tsunami spell that it can give you that you cant even play...

[@M4C3W1]

Play the mini version and coin into it big playz

[@raize8316]

@@M4C3W1 yeah lol hope you got that coin and that its the mini and not the 3/3 that gives it😂

[@M4C3W1]

@@raize8316 I’m a good player I’d have it

[@susamogus8331]

@@M4C3W1"Nah I'd win"

[@ryankendall3716]

Just get horn of winter with it lol

[@Spooky_Bard]

Should be noted that Nightshade Tea being adjusted down to 1 mana means that it discounts your Thirsty Drifters.

[@DropBearAU]

Water! Sweet, beautiful water

[@mlodykasztelan]

Power difference between tourist is ridiculous

[@samuelaiello1977]

literally another 4 weeks just to put “cards from other classes can’t cost less than 1” literally would fix the meta just by that keyword

[@filipvadas7602]

Making it general RULE that cards can't go down to (0) would fix a lot of issues with the game tbh

[@impkiller5932]

​@@filipvadas7602it would destroy rogue

[@samuelaiello1977]

@@filipvadas7602 for real

[@samuelaiello1977]

@@filipvadas7602 even if sometimes a 0 mana can win you the game if you’re losing i think it’s pretty fair to not have any single 0 mana card on game like shadowstep has never been nerfed but we have breakdance who kinda does the same thing if not better

[@samuelaiello1977]

@@filipvadas7602 or at least don’t make insane discount cards that trigger other insane mana cheat

[@zoltarth]

That concierge nerf is the equivalent of a participation trophy lol

[@XwizzZap01]

Gaslight Gatekeeper moment!

[@shael4866]

It's the second review I saw and during the first one they said it was kinda sad because it's like nerfing tier 5 decks. The argument to support that is that druid don't really care about concierge being 4 mana to do his combo while it may be important for other deck thay may need concierge in order to survive and be compétitive enough un the meta (and if the problem was druid it may be more efficient to nerf another druid tool instead of a neutral card)

[@RandomBlake2564]

​@shael4866 Absolutely. I have an extremely fun Wild Jackpot Rogue deck list that was actually viable. However, a lot of that came from Gaslight Gatekeeper being 3 mana so it slotted perfectly into curve. After they nerfed it to 4 mana, the deck became a lot clunkier to play and had to build the deck a bit differently.

[@ThelastProdigy]

Slap on the wrist nerf

[@amethonys2798]

Worth noting with the Ryecleaver being able to come down earlier you're less likely to run into hand size issues.

[@TheMikeTrumpet]

I think they should just give the crocodiles that ranger gilly puts in your hand rush. Finally another way for hunter to control the board

[@AntheanCeilliers]

Now that Regis is mostly Snap, I am missing my news update 'how should I be feeling' videos. Glad to see that Rarran -- between keeping HS alive on KZbin single-handedly and forging alliances with the Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh communities -- is filling that gap .

[@Dougmond]

These changes feel like Deja vu. I’m pretty confident this is not the first time cards that summon past minions have had to add the different minions text later. It’s like the dev team has never played old HS and are just making the Same mistakes. The zilliax change is addressing something zeddy has talked about which is punishing you for playing cards style of design that just sucks and feels like a sign there running out of ideas for cards.

[@h445]

lol almost every card in the game punishes you for playing cards. i don't get the logic.

[@C3l3bi1]

literally cards not genereating themselfs was somethn that they did in the past

[@connorthornberg]

I think the Tsunami change is actually a nerf to mage, because it means that you can't auto-cast it with Void Scripture

[@KDoodleNoodle99]

I have been hunting Zilliax warriors with a warlock deck I think I saw Warshack using, it has reno and sargaras to wipe the zilliax without killing it, and wheel of death to take out infinite value decks that don’t kill you fast and remove any bombs you may have had in your deck against those types of warriors. Really specialized in hunting warriors this set but does okay into other decks too.

[@blahthebiste7924]

That sounds fun, fuck warrior, they've had it good for too long

[@tappy8741]

warrior always eats my yogg or gets unkilliax out too early. Fuck warrior

[@djoctavio1234]

Wheel of death against a bomb warrior is basically suicide

[@KDoodleNoodle99]

@@djoctavio1234 it works, you can’t just rip it early though.

[@djoctavio1234]

@@KDoodleNoodle99 it works if they already exhausted all of the bomb cards

[@namelessshadow7748]

4:46 I laughed on "tickling" module more than i should

[@4ndytrout46]

Great, now I get to see Paladin every second game instead of every third game.

[@samuelaiello1977]

we got 2 of the worst expansions back to back but at least whizbang workshop had a board

[@manacream]

They did my boy Ranger Gilly dirty... like come on at least buff crocs to have rush or taunt or something

[@mica4977]

Truly. Would have also been interesting if the Crocs were given Deathrattle: Buff your hand by +1/+1 as an extra motive to play them & get more of them. Even better if it gave that past 1/2 with the hand buff and draw deathrattle.

[@antusThul]

I feel like gilly himself should have taunt, more impactful to play and could fit flavor-wise

[@lucjanl1262]

Or make them the og river crocs

[@mica4977]

@@lucjanl1262 I would have liked that too

[@mica4977]

@@antusThul Would suit the midrange/control angle it's going for

[@gorg9928]

What bothers me is that many decks make a game plan that consists of being able to repeat a play many times like summoning Amantul 7 times in a game or ruining the opponent's deck without being able to remove the junk cards.

[@wetara]

You can still summon Zilliax on turn 5 or 4 if you have the coin, i don't think this patch will do enough, even though it's something at least

[@novix4248]

You could do this last expansion too and it was not that strong, they balanced it well enough

[@SageOfPersia]

Orb now has a ten cost spell

[@deerdren]

Unkilliax untouched ☠️

[@loganparry2676]

The actually annoying part of unkilliax is just resummoning 9 of them which can’t happen

[@markpattie2199]

Current unkilliax still completely invalidates the early game even if you don't resummon him, I was really hoping they'd nerf him​@@loganparry2676

[@Greatnessquared]

Action Packed Perfection

[@amethonys2798]

​@loganparry2676 how many times do you really need the 9th though? Warrior summoning the first one one turn 4 with Spill is usually enough on its own to beat anything that plays for board.

[@mylesh7987]

​@@loganparry2676yayy now it can only resummon 4 unkilliax that still completely invalidate playing for board, so fun!

[@samuelaiello1977]

lamplighter still working fine

[@123fakestreettt]

I like how rarran always says he's not going to read the battlegrounds changes.

[@mariusstraeter930]

I literally hope to never see the new ziliax again lol, i loved the old one but the new one is nearly deciding the game everytime he came down

[@sabat3332]

mage version of elemental mage got hit pretty hard because u can no longer generate lamp lighter of synthesize

[@DrSpasticat]

Disenchanted boom a few weeks ago before the deck was a thing, missed 1600 dust

[@marcusossowicki2729]

Rye cleaver buff is actually really good cause now you can get it the turn after ramp or trail mix on curve

[@TheUltimateShade667]

Ryecleaver coming down earlier means your less likely to draw ur big guys before playing it which is what happens to me alot.

[@TheLlanx]

AS A TENDRILS PLAYER THANK YOU FOR NOTICING OUR SPELL POOL CHANGES

[@TheLlanx]

THEY SLEEP ON MY TENDRILS DECK RARRAN WITH THE CAREFREE COOKIE IT IS CHAOS

[@RealEMojomaker]

Love the adjustment on Ticking module meaning it + Pylon module has an odd cost again and I can recraft Ziliax for my odd paladin in wild (yes I am that bastard that still plays odd paladin in 2024)

[@samuelaiello1977]

4 weeks for developers, just to change a few numbers on cards and two words that literally do nothing except slowing down the unkilliax

[@ShadowmancerLord]

Except... you can't infinitely clone it anymore?

[@sinkarcho]

@@ShadowmancerLord he meant ( i assume) that the time it took them to change a few words on a few cards is ridiculous (which i agree with). Maybe higher ups wanted to milk sales before changed anything to not potentially lessen their income so dev team has to obey but that's just a speculation of mine (although it sounds strangely plausible)

[@ShadowmancerLord]

@@sinkarcho well yeah, the part I'm disagreeing with is him saying the changes do nothing except slow down Zill.

[@tappy8741]

@@ShadowmancerLord Well, with that discover 2/1 they can still have 6 of them, but it's not as bad as up to 15 of them i guess.

[@ShadowmancerLord]

@@tappy8741 if the only thing they're doing is discovering Zilliax and playing it at full cost then they've lost the game already

[@xTonicWaterx]

I don't play hearthstone but I watch every patch notes video

[@j_orpz]

THE META IS SAVED (KEKW #CLUELESS)

[@greedy4063]

Worst balance patch I've ever seen tbh

[@Cedisdead]

The hearthstone devs literally works for Kibler 😂

[@goupilthomas8103]

Really scared for the chaotic tendrils return

[@NitroMelon]

Oh, you're totally right, Tendril Shaman with Tsunami is nuts, at least Shudderblock has a board limit now though so it will at least be limited in it's burst damage

[@Jah-68]

not enough space on board, useless with triple battlecry

[@ngnir7429]

​@@Jah-68Triple battlecry is more to get you to 10 mana vs cast 3 10 mana spells at once

[@goupilthomas8103]

@@Jah-68 yea but you'd have to fight all of them every turn so except if you're a combo deck the board is just over for you

[@NevirSurrender]

The buff to tsunami seems great for big galactic orb mage

[@ntern2162]

I like that they have looked on what they give to shaman and thought that it is enough, while literally everyone had known from start that there is no good cards(ok maybe dh tourist is playable)

[@BeatsBingo]

Question, if i damage the unkilliax and let say summoned the damaged copy with a spell, does that still counts as a "Different" friendly mech?

[@rod99ttett90]

They buffed TENTACLES!!! Let's go!!!

[@Mikach066]

Finally ive been waiting to try that latest he-

[@leroy5835]

wake me up when gilly is a 3 mana 2/2 give minions +1/1, now he is a thick brick blocking my charge otk deck. 5 mana at end of turn lose 1 hand spot or 2 mana

[@LiveErrors]

As someone who is trying to make Projection Orb work I'm not liking this Tsunami change Now I can't reliably tutor the orb

[@DrSpasticat]

Gilly and razzle dazzle buffs have made firelands in arena so much worse

[@olivierdurand7557]

I have Signature Gilly and i will try to play it. Should i take an appointement with my terapist in advance ?

[@dectilon]

Big fan of these changes, big fan of them taking things a bit slower.

[@nickjoseph77]

DK vacationing with Shaman spells is maybe my favorite deck right now so I'm happy with the buffs. I'm very thankful with the changes to nerf the decks that play Killiax and the Zilliax that was in aggro decks. I wish Nightshade Tea wasn't 2 damage yourself since I get it from the 2/2 murloc drink guy all the time. Just like how the warlock fel health potions are 1 mana more expensive than I'd like to spend.

[@caleydorrell]

Rogue can still play 4 lamplighters in a turn without shadow step.

[@SerpentLightDrums]

RR, Keeping HS alive.

[@lordziasty3038]

for me those "nerfs" to druid and elemental do nothing. Concierge going 1 mana means nothing for druid that by turn 4 can have 8 mana and you don't play chia drake for stats you play it because it's draws you a spell (or if you need it +1 spell damage) and adds 1 mana card that do the same. lamplighter is still 4 mana pyroblast to face which every elemental deck will want and rouge still will abuse it because of shadowstep and breakdance (and brewmaster which every deck can play). Rouge still can deal 23 damage to face on turn 8 as long as you have lamplighter and two shadowsteps and played elementals 7 turn's in a row (which isn't hard) I was really hoping for a change to text "deal x damage split randomly across enemies"

[@ShadowmancerLord]

If Lamplighter is a pyroblast, you already lost the game by spending 10 turns doing nothing.

[@DCDsauce]

​@@ShadowmancerLord I was clearing the insane tempo elemental mage and shaman generate. Having to clear the cloning elemental twice can get you low enough on health/resources that you die to lamplighter from hand. Just make the card hit just minions and we're good.

[@ShadowmancerLord]

@@DCDsauce sounds like a skill issue

[@proofmr2]

its insane they nerfed those things but left paladin alone

[@Ttangko_]

Cant believe they didnt add Hydration Station: "(Mechs cant be hydrated)" ....

[@babybababofski7908]

Rogue got gutted with this. The healing zilliax was extremely important for all non lamplighter decks. And then the only card they buff doesnt really help rogue at all and only helps paladin..

[@nathanielzhang6688]

They should make Kibler a dev at this point because almost every change is word for word what he suggested, lol

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

waiting for thorignir drake to be used still by ANY shaman deck

[@williamtrauthen5173]

Devs clearly watched kibler’s thoughts on the meta video. They are almost identical to all of his suggestions 😂

[@blahthebiste7924]

This is usually the case

[@creationzikaz4836]

You're right. Kibler really dislikes concierge however, he mentions he disagrees with it because it discourages player agency. He wanted it to be ''...but no less than 1'' and they didn't take his advice there. He's mentioned he does consulting for card games, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a consultant for HS but can't mention it because of a NDA.

[@va1korion]

Tendrils are back, let's goooo casino warrior/shaman.

[@ciirax]

The Dazzler is great in Arena. Constructed is more competitive for cards so it hasn't seen play. Tea upgrade is great for Priest. Death to Zilliax!

[@gracefulhunter6479]

Seeing more Hamms and less killiaxes already. I love it!

[@BackyardDuelist]

I was hoping theyd nerd Zilliax by making it so you cant have certain augments together

[@MsDragonkingz]

If the crocolisk’s had the death rattle effect would that make it an ok card?

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

you know what hurts me the most, lol? there are SO. MANY. FUN. MINIONS. TO. HIT. FOR. HYDRATION STATION. I just wanna see some of these absolute UNIT cards be toned back to help diversify things... "BUT AGGROOO", I know sure fine, youre right, I dont want aggro to be a problem either, honestly I hated dying to totem shaman for the past freekin year as a shaman main who enjoys a bit of depth in gameplay... maybe we look at WHY aggro is so successful too and take some of their power plays away, like hyper efficient board clears tacked onto minion buffs? maybe we take the word "lifesteal" off of some cards too?

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

maybe add lifesteal to some MORE cards actually, or make the lifesteak cards more caluable to play. shaman has 2 different really good spells with lifesteal, and noone uses em because if you maindeck em you queue into a bunch of warrior and druid and immediately regret not packing hyper control into your deck, or just playing a better control class...

[@emindogansoy3283]

elemental rogue is still good with sandbox scoundrel

[@impkiller5932]

How is it even good? It was the worst elemental deck out of 3? 😂😂😂 Are you joking?

[@Halibel764]

This is a nerf that aggro decks in wild really doesn't care about.

[@SyrKonrat]

Did Tsunami just enter the tendril pool?

[@fumetsu-950]

Wouldn't Inventor Boom still bring back 2 Unkilliaxes if Brann is active? If Brann is active that means 4 mechs, so 2 Unkilliax and 2 Burrow?

[@sinkarcho]

yes so basically nothing changed except instead of 4 unkilliaxes (assuming burrow isn't played) you now have to deal with 2

[@charlesb.andrulis6550]

I just hope thief rogue is somewhat relevant

[@barbellboa8421]

Built elemental rogue as a free to play player. Now I am sad

[@timowiewesiek615]

Why is tsunami a nerf for druid?

[@edu8499]

This patch does nothing, maybe some ppl are going to try Chaotic Tendrils after the patch.

[@Run2Seeun]

It wont work as it used to be because you need board space for the elementals to attack. It might lock the enemy board for many turns tho

[@spirosmakris7142]

so now you won't see unkilliax in every deck only every second ? when i heard they are nerfing it i genuinely thought something like completely removing taunt and lifesteal or something like that lmao . my guess is this will barely do anything

[@alexisr7812]

Counterplay against unkilliax is now more impactful and he can't be summoned more than once at a time. For me it's a pretty good indirect nerf

[@Machiination]

Any chance some control decks that aren't 7 unkilliax will finally be playable? :)

[@icecubus1014]

Aggro/handbuff Paladin keeps ruining my das for the 37th Patch in a row

[@genesis4322]

I don't see how the Ryecleaver buff can be considered a buff. They just took 2 mana off the weapon and gave it to the sandwich. Would make more sense if the sandwich was still 2 mana.

[@impkiller5932]

You can coin the weapon turn 4 attack, next turn play a pack with 5 taunts and attack, play sandwich and summon a minimum of 5 taunts or beast in hunter, and a possibility to draw minion . Looks great, right?

[@genesis4322]

@@impkiller5932 Just weird to see a buff where they didn't technically reduce the total mana cost of it. I can see how it'd be better but it's just odd.

[@impkiller5932]

@@genesis4322 if the sandwich was still 2 mana it would be broken like you can play 3 mana draw a minion of every type and on turn 5 summon a 30-40 mana worth of mana board. It would be avtowin in most situations

[@genesis4322]

@@impkiller5932 I get that

[@tomatoesofdoom]

​@@genesis4322it's 100% a buff. You get the full board of minions one or two turns earlier

[@joalex79]

mage got "buffed" so much 💀

[@Querterus]

I had no problem with zilliax. Why would i when i just use lamplighter to otk u from hand. In 1 game i dealt over 70 dmg to my enemy because he had like 43 armor or so. Rouge is balanced

[@LL43216]

Does anyone know if I’ll still get my dust back for nerfed cards? Asking for a friend I totally wasn’t abusing cards

[@oscargarcia96]

having to kill 8 ziliax its better than having to killing 16

[@tappy8741]

8? I count 6. unkilliax, boom, hydrationx4. 7 with zog i guess, but they'd more likely want to copy boomboss to make you cry

[@pomikat]

@@tappy8741 original (+1) + brann dr boom (+2) + brann zola dr boom after ramping (+4), + hydration station (+1) + etc hydration station (+1) + two nagas with hydation (+2) + brewmaster on dr boom (+2), giving max total of 13 post-nerf (fizzle snapshot with snapshot in a naga as well and you can go way beyond). But yeah, as you said adding more tnt with bounces/zola is generally better than more zilliaxes. Boomboss singlehandley wins any non-aggro matchup while against aggro you don't need more than dr boom to win.

[@AyundaRisuFan]

Next patch Lora goes to 5

[@WilleWalla02]

0 paladin nerfs love to see some more flood paladin yay

[@Awesomesausages]

13:00 Hentai is back on the menu?!

[@dermegger7733]

Still nothing to change Flood Paladin... I can't keep seeing that deck on ladder, they can't keep getting away with this

[@blahthebiste7924]

If you hate them that much can't you just play a control deck? Warrior and Priest have plenty of removal and AOE tools

[@dermegger7733]

@@blahthebiste7924 Mainly three reasons. 1. I find Control Warrior especially boring rn since its just resurrecting Zilliax over and over again. 2. Many Control decks have been almost identical for almost a year. I really like Rainbow DK but it's been barely changed since Titans. 3. Just because a deck has a counter, that doesn't mean that I like seeing it over and over, especially since Flood Paladin also barely changed in Perils. It's also just really frustrating to play against cause you basically have to either outlast or OTK them.

[@blahthebiste7924]

@@dermegger7733 Totally fair. I do personally get a form of sick enjoyment from crafting a deck specifically to target a popular deck

[@PwNFlash42]

they are nerfing the late game decks - all the meta is gonna be is elementals, buff paladin and agro. I don't really like the patch changes when the deck is so fun to play

[@paulomatute4114]

Tsunami still has 3 elementals in the art instead of the 4 it will summon LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE 😒

[@mississippitornado6842]

so its just more paladin..

[@XHypergamerX]

So back to reno decks and buff pala because lets be honest those buffs wont do shit. Thats all this patch did

[@magetathelion5825]

Rarran : Hearthstone finally did it. Me : Actually NO !!! 😭😭😭 (I mean they've solvede the unkilliax spamming but that's it)

[@warlock-nk7vq]

no wild nerfs, time to still not open hearthstone again

[@leewang2902]

what the fuck did they do with tsunami? It even can not be called a buff.

[@blahthebiste7924]

They are just trying to buff tentacles and Orb

[@ryanrobinson4287]

No secret passage nerf sigh…

[@kmatjack]

And still Paladin will run the meta fml

[@brianmc9]

the one rogue buff is only relevant for paladin 😂

[@samuelaiello1977]

concierge didn’t get nerfed

[@ComunaETriste]

THE DAY I CRAFT THIS CARD HE GET NERFED 😭😭😭

[@meanberryy]

You get full dust back though. Would hve been worse if you just dusted it

[@dsqrtzdsqrtz2214]

why are these changes coming out so slowly? unkilliax has been plaguing the game for so long.

[@gruncleiroh5525]

In any midrange or faster deck once a single ziliax gets summoned, usually on turn 4 because reasons, it's over, doesn't matter how many they can resummon. All the changes do is make it so that whichever class has the better mechs/taunts to summon alongside zil will win late game fights.

[@ShadowmancerLord]

Literally not true at all unless you're just bad at the game. The issue is 100% the cloning

[@FOWST]

13:20 and 13:34 might be two of the infamous "worst card review" moments Polkelt into twilight medium can give you a 1 mana Thaddius. Think about it.

[@koych9587]

Possibly the most clueless comment I've read this week. Bro thinks you get to turn 10 in Wild ☠

[@tsui1024]

Can we please look at Unkilliax. Shits still toxic

[@nillun1860]

I like the shaman and mage buffs cause I really like rainbow archetype :)

[@grandogrando6505]

Ticking module honestly should be for only opponents minions, there should be a Ziliax that protects against a wide board. The friendly minion part was just overkill and led to feels bad plays

[@whoisdis5913]

lets friggin gooo i had a golden dr boom ez 3200 dust

[@AkySu4]

well, rogue is coocked (sad)