Heaven's Feel 3: Unanswered Questions & Cut Content

This video answers many of the unanswered questions of the 3rd Heaven's Feel film as well as altered/cut content.

[@GetsugaGoon]

I always liked Archer's arm in HF as it shows how far ahead of Shirou Archer actually is, as well as the pain he's had to endure to master UBW

[@angelcortes3485]

Well, in UBW route Shirou vomits and feels pain like the hell just for project kanshou and bakuya (with his own powers, i mean, human being powers). Try to imagine HFSHIROU using Archer's projection. Is like put a gun on his head and shoot himself.

[@quankhanh8533]

@@angelcortes3485 LOL that's how he visualizes to activate his magic circuit.

[@Azusashusband]

@@angelcortes3485 its actually confirmed that Shirou feels like swords are stabbing him from the inside like a burning rod

[@irinashidou9725]

@@angelcortes3485 Obviously, when Shirou tried to project Kanshou and Bakuya the first time, he didn't know how his UBW, which is the reason, much later in the fight with Archer he figured it out and could project those two weapons properly

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Kirei didnt come back after sakura crushed his heart. He was just put on a timelimit. Only perservering due to willpower

[@NeNeiSan]

Thanks for clearing that up

[@cloakedclover]

Kirei just helped AM because he's crazy, and simpily wanted to see what it would do once it had killed all of humanity and how it would repent for its sins. Not because he was called upon or anything.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@cloakedclover that is incorrec

[@cloakedclover]

@@MrInuhanyou123 "In pursuit of the answer to his lifelong question, he explains that he has dedicated his entire life to bringing about Angra Mainyu's birth even if it causes his own death and the world's destruction." Quoted from the type moon Wikipedia page on Kirei Kotomine

[@cloakedclover]

@@MrInuhanyou123 Your move.

[@yurineri2227]

I found the scene where Shirou asks Illya to live with him even more heartbreaking in the anime since in the novel she refuses but in the movie she accepts, making the ending even sadder since she ended up dying in that same night died and won't ever be able to live with her brother like she said she would ;-;

[@NeNeiSan]

That scene and Illya's character is so tragic, it's only worse how she doesn't get a happy end in any route.

[@yurineri2227]

@@NeNeiSan even if she survives in the fate route she is still doomed to die after only a year, the poor girl deserved better ╥﹏╥

[@konjiki8203]

Took another look at the movie, she refused there as well. She shook her head, it’s just that she didn’t give an explanation as to why.

[@yurineri2227]

@@konjiki8203 rewatch the scene and pay attention to her dialogue and compare to the VN, you will see what I am talking about, she shakes her head to Shirou so Shirou stops talking and doesn't worry then she says with a smile on her face that she will see Shirou later and for him to come back with sakura before dawn, that is worded in a way to make Shirou and the audience think she will be with them in a happy way later, but gets recontextualized when she actually sacrifices her self, which is different from the sad scene in the VN when she clearly says she won't live with Shirou with a bittersweet expression in a way that makes the audience and Shirou sad

[@xstationo11]

@@yurineri2227 I thought in the special tiger dojo scene, Illya stated that there might have a chance to live since she's part human.

[@totozhu4543]

For the sword part, it's also because Avalon, king Arthur's scabbard that resides within him, repairs his body, but because his origin is the sword, it instead repairs all injuries with literal swords, reinforcing his damaged muscles and injuries with steel, but if the wound is too large, swords will literally burst out of his body in. an attempt to close up his wound

[@daimahou3951]

IIRC, it's more like UBW learned the regeneration trick from Avalon. So he has access to two sources that can heal him, Avalon does it when Saber is close and UBW is used instinctively whenever Shirou receives grievous injuries. In HF the conflict between Shirou and Archer's arm makes UBW go out of control after the shroud is removed. (Archer's UBW "heals him (Archer)" and Shirou's UBW "heals him (Shirou)" in reply.)

[@totozhu4543]

@@daimahou3951 kinda. In other routes the exact same thing happens though. You can see in UBW that there are threads pulling his wounds together instead of regenerating. Those are steel threads

[@daimahou3951]

@@totozhu4543 hmmm... Let's see the healing in the VN... Avalon acted up before the summoning of Saber, since she was a guaranteed summon (from Complete Material 3)... In Fate route, in the Rider vs Shirou Bad End when he decides to not summon Saber, he is kicked out of the window and still lives for a bit he sees his wounds try to get back together through swords... After Gilgamesh tries to kill Shirou and Saber, his wounds are knit together with blades then he denies that being a thing and looks again, and he remarks what's happening is more *restoration* than healing. In the UBW route, when they fight, Archer remarks that Shirou is still healing despite not being Saber's Master, ergo, Avalon starts working when Saber is in proximity. Nasu WoG'd that Saber Alter and Avalon are incompatible in the second HF movie's Q&A. So it's very possible Avalon doesn't work after she is consumed by the Shadow... (At least these are the ones I remember from the VN.) After Saber is gone Avalon goes dormant, never working on Shirou again. (Complete Material 3) So, while Avalon restores the body to a previous state, UBW is more of a stopgap measure. And Shirou's aria "My body is made out of swords" wouldn't make sense if that's only possible with Avalon, would it?

[@totozhu4543]

@@daimahou3951 yeah that’s true. But you have to remember that the only reason his origin is the “sword” is because of Avalon being near it for so long

[@daimahou3951]

@@totozhu4543 Yeah, just realized that unfortunate "through" at the end when "with" would make more sense. Since EMIYA wouldn't have Avalon after the HGW...

[@samukajabateh1640]

Zoukens wish, even before meeting justeaze, was to find salvation for humanity . In order to do so , he wanted to erase their evils. By meeting justeaze and helping create the grail war , he found a means which was the third magic , heavens feel

[@chromakuro]

does this mean he could erase all evil by doing it across his immortal lifespan as a result of using the heavens feel magic?

[@ikariiprince]

An extra 20 minutes would’ve really let the story breathe in the anime film

[@mightystronk4361]

yeah or some sort of special epilogue TV/ONA episode, the trilogy is such a masterpiece, but ending really should be stronger and more defined after all the unspeakable shit and emotions involved, a short montage that is also ambiguous for no reason feels a bit too rushed and hollow.

[@gonzalokun]

agree, at least we've got the drama CD where Rin explains what happens that year between the HGW and Shirou's return... can't understand japanese but just by hearing I can tell that it's based on the original vn epilogue

[@r.k845]

If I'm going to be brutal they needed an extra hour not an extra 20 minutes.

[@jaishkhan7442]

@@r.k845 four movies instead three should've been the best

[@genesisbustamante-durian]

Stories don't need to breathe, they don't need air. idiot.

[@farai5539]

3:55 Kirei just built different Like that's pretty much all the explanation well ever get for that

[@randomnigga-kun8471]

Facts 🤣🤣

[@noorianime2179]

This explained a lot of things. Great job!

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you, I'm glad it could help!

[@SoycloudVTuber]

Also I didn't know that Zouken put his soul on one of his worms so thank you for clarifying that, I was confused on how Zouken was in Sakura's body after Kirei used his magic on him

[@yevonsama]

well. That is only thing Tokiomi refuses Zouken doing to Sakura. " Good Magus father". And someone still says " why she - normal Sakura - doesn't fight back against Zouken?".

[@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879]

@@yevonsama That, but mostly just being victim of prolonged abuse in general, tho.

[@alfredhigglestein2828]

@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 It's basically a physical metaphor, he 'literally' has a hold over her

[@pdpolo5273]

In the backyard fight scene on the start of the film sakura just came like normal and eventually she reveals her seals command tattoo. We only see her full transformation when she met with kirei

[@pacifierjunkee6016]

I wish they would have shown the effects of using Archer's arm more. Like, his perception of the world around him is supposed to be screwed up, but it wasn't really portrayed much at all.

[@overchipz]

agree they didnt do a very good job of showing how dangerous using the arm was and what it did to Shirou in the VN by the time he fights KIrei he doesnt even remember Sakuras name...not sure why they changed it here it was still amazing though

[@NeNeiSan]

That would have been amazing. That psychological destruction of Shirou was probably my favorite aspect of the HF climax, but can be a pretty difficult thing to implement with time constraints.

[@soarel325]

Going to add a few corrections and expansions since you goofed big time on a couple of these, most notably when it came to Zouken. Illya’s usage of the Third Magic is incomplete, seeing as the Heaven’s Feel ritual was aborted and the full Third Magic never actually obtained. A “proper” use of the Third would have negated the need for the puppet altogether - Shirou would basically be an immortal with an unlimited amount of magical energy who could manifest whatever body he wants for himself. Lugh Beowulf in Mahoyo is a good example of a being similar to what a soul materialized with the Third is like. You completely misunderstood Zouken’s original wish. To reunite with Justeaze was his SECOND wish that led him astray - he never wanted to reach the Root, and his wish did not begin with Justeaze’s death. Rather, his goal was the exact same as the Einzberns’ and was the reason he joined them in the first place - to obtain the complete Third Magic and materialize the souls of all of humanity, creating heaven on earth. If this sounds similar to Amakusa’s Salvation in Apocrypha, that’s because Amakusa got the idea from the Einzberns to begin with - Complete Material 3 even calls the Einzberns’ goal “the salvation of mankind”. It’s also worth noting that Zouken is meant to thematically parallel Shirou in this route. He begins as a selfless hero who wants to save everyone, then through his love for and obsession with a doomed girl, he becomes determined to save her and only her, and that desire leads him to make decisions that hurt others. Shirou has blades coming out of him not just because of UBW activating inside of him, but because Avalon is also healing his wounds. It is the interaction between Avalon and UBW that causes the blades to replace the wounded parts of his body during his fight with Kirei. The Dress of Heaven is also necessary for the use of the incomplete Third Magic that the Einzbern have access to, not simply to control the Grail. It does allow them to control the Grail, but this is simply because the Grail is created using the incomplete Third and not because the Dress is specifically intended to control the Grail. Also worth noting - the components of the Dress were used to create Illya’s maid homunculus Leysritt and she must die in order to recreate it. I can’t really say much on your Kirei theory, but I do know a formal magical contract between Kirei and Angra is never really mentioned, it's more likely that Sakura can just manipulate Angra’s black goo due to her connection to him. Also, Kirei was able to use healing magic just fine before then. Your recap of differences is fine with one little addition in regards to the Kirei vs Assassin fight - Kirei uses lighting magic to immobilize Assassin in the anime, whereas in the he puts a paralysis spell on his Black Key in the VN. I have kind of an autistic obsession with cataloguing all Church magic in the series so this one sticks in my brain, lol

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you, I didn't realize the oversights I made while making this. There was also a lot of small things I seemed to have missed that made a huge difference in my explanations. I appreciate you correcting my mistakes, and I really should have done better at clarifying certain things.

[@alfredhigglestein2828]

So what was Zouken's intention once he had the grail, make himself immortal or was it to bring back Justeaze, just a little confused on that part

[@soarel325]

@@alfredhigglestein2828 Correct. Justeaze is the core of the Greater Grail and he wanted Third Magic immortality. However, he also planned to release her from the Grail afterwards

[@alfredhigglestein2828]

@@soarel325 ah ok, it's making sense now, thankyou

[@pleasehelp1390]

bro knows fate

[@thekungfukid1990]

I'm so thankful i decided to read the visual novel before this film came out. I love the movie but its an absolute mess if you're an anime only watcher

[@NeNeiSan]

I wonder how I would perceive this film without knowing information from the VN. Knowing that information really saved me though, without it I would have been completely confused on many parts.

[@zachb4148]

Dude I planned on reading the vn before I watched it but since I got school rn I just don’t got the time. The movie was good but it didn’t feel nearly as good as ubw. The first 2 movies were very good but the third movie wasn’t as enjoyable, I almost liked the original dean adaptation of the fate route better than the third movie solely because it made more sense. I do still need to play through the fate route in the vn at some point.

[@jcalbores9358]

yeaah, thanks to this vid I managed to understand it more! Didn't know that the story is more interesting and complex than what I knew from watching the movie and anime..

[@NeNeiSan]

@@jcalbores9358 No problem, I'm glad I could help!

[@baseballfan9322]

@@NeNeiSan I'm an anime only watcher and while I did find some stuff confusing, it was mostly just the ending part of what Ilya did and how Shiro came back. Wasn't really confused much in all othe parts and enjoyed the movie a lot thanks to info I already had from UBW and Zero

[@baky5372]

Omg bro literally all of my unanswered questions answered. I was wondering why the swords were coming out of him but it makes sense he can't handle ubw because he didn't activate it himself Ty so much this was dope

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, I'm glad I could help!

[@baky5372]

@@NeNeiSan also explaining wtf happened at the end with shirou was legendary. I thought they made like a fake shirou puppet or something...kinda like a sex doll or something and I was like this ending got real weird...thanks for clarifying that was actually shirou just in a puppet body loll

[@anacromacia]

It’s technically also a legitimate way of using a reality marble. One of the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors, Nvrsqr Chaos, uses it and his body is made of 666 different animals and phantasmal beasts

[@seth2901]

I was very disappointed by the ending on the movie, they could have just taken extra 10 minutes to explain everything like in the visual novel, instead of just assuming the viewe read the VN and leave those VERY important scenes out.

[@jcalbores9358]

woah I didn't even know that Zouken is one of those three?! I don't know if I just overlook a line from the subtitle or I didn't understand it at all!!

[@NeNeiSan]

I'm guessing they expected viewers to make the connections themselves, but really only a couple lines of dialogue would clear that up.

[@hbic7367]

Same i was like wait did i miss that just because of one overlooked subtitle!?

[@arsyadidris2919]

In heavens feel 2, it was confirmed that zouken was makiri. Rmmbr that dialogue scene between ilya and zouken, just before zouken called upon saber alter? Ilya straight up called zouken “makiri”.

[@jcalbores9358]

@@arsyadidris2919 yes actually after I found out this one and rewatched the 2nd movie, I noticed that Illya called him Makiri

[@SvafaBlackhand]

Additionally, Zouken makes several comments throughout all three movies about why they created the Holy Grail War, implying he was involved in its creation. It is something I felt they could have made a bit clearer though.

[@synthchick12]

I don't know whether this is technically canon, but I always also thought that the reason Shirou was being assaulted by swords is because he's betraying the path of the hero that Archer walked. There are a lot of hints that Archer's timeline is Heaven's Feel where he made the choice to kill Sakura to save the world from her destruction. By betraying that choice and abandoning Kiritsugu's path, Shirou puts himself at odds with Archer's arm, and that's part of why it's going to destroy him. It's also kind of ironic because you get the sense that Archer actually approves of Shirou's choice to save Sakura. Having seen the destruction and death of the path he walked, it seems like he's happy to see himself changing that path -- but despite that, it's still Shirou betraying his ideals, and that puts him physically at odds with his own heroic body.

[@iaelan9657]

✋🏻

[@NeNeiSan]

That is a eloquent and well thought out interpretation! I think that's a way more satisfying answer then the one given. It fits in perfectly with the moral Heaven's Feel tells.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Archer isn't heavens feel Shirou. He's from a route where he didn't save saber's heart apparently alternative fate route

[@whateverwhatever4476]

@@NeNeiSan I mean archer is stated by Nasu to be from a route where he didn't save saber's heart from what I recall

[@NeNeiSan]

@@whateverwhatever4476 I do remember reading something like that too. But leaving Archer's past vague, in the context of FSN, leads to the beauty of interpretation.

[@SH30JustAwesome]

Kirei vs Shirou could have used 2-3 more minutes in the anime

[@NeNeiSan]

I feel that an extra 30 minutes to the film would have fixed a lot of the problems I had with the film.

[@person5159]

Thanks for the explanation man. The movie was good but stuff towards the end was very confusing x-x

[@vivacosita7261]

If you look at hf presage's flower then we have scenario where shirou decided to push saber other than in visual novel his act is more like a shield . And anime interm of movie cannot do much greather as tv series because in movie we had mostly 2 hrs run time to show entire story in short way which is mostly difficult thing to show original story and context and left certain character growth .

[@hahsjdnsjs473]

What were the scenes where shiro had white hair like archer about? Was it from over using his arm?

[@NeNeiSan]

That was a reference to a bad end in the VN, where Shirou pursued his dreams of being a Hero of Justice and killed Sakura.

[@r.k845]

That's a reference to the "mind of steel" bad end.

[@weaboo101]

mind of steel, is Shirou Emiya.. becoming a kiritsugu, if we simplify it.

[@irinashidou9725]

@@NeNeiSan But why did he get white hair?

[@NeNeiSan]

@@irinashidou9725 The white hair is to represent Archer, the embodiment of his ideals. The color distortion comes from the overuse of magecraft.

[@moarsma347]

If Shirou's body is some sort of dolls now does this mean that he can't get blood related children 🤔

[@NeNeiSan]

The limits of the doll are barely explained, all that's said about it is that the doll is pretty close to that of a human. Because of that I think that there is a pretty good chance that he could have children.

[@y_samu]

The doll made by that character from kara no kyoukai is very similar to human, it will die if stabbed in heart, it can age and can have children

[@moarsma347]

@@y_samu ah sorry I haven't watch kara no kyoukai

[@SvafaBlackhand]

The mage who makes the doll can make dolls that are perfect imitations of the original, to the extent that it's impossible to tell the original from the imitation. Shirou's isn't of that quality (it's secondhand), but is close enough. In the end, he's a true imitation, or maybe a fake that surpassed the original.

[@yorutonetsujou9818]

@@y_samu thanks for clearing this it's been bugging me since then..

[@kukukachu]

I'm annoyed that they changed the fight at the end between Shirou and Kirei....In the VN, it is stated that Shirou knows that he can't get hit in the head or UBW will go crazy and cause swords to come out of it. In this movie, Shirou gets hit in the head multiple times....Shirou knew how dangerou Kirei was and how important it was to be cautious while fighting him, but it was all thrown out the window here....

[@NeNeiSan]

It's sad to see one of the best fights in the VN from a thematic and development standpoint get reduced to just a basic brawl. The dialogue was well implemented, but it sucks how the fight was cut in half.

[@jamesdanielski7347]

The ending of the film shows Shirou coming back with the doll body. But it almost seems like Sakura is imagining Shirou there like the ending where he stayed dead in the VN. Thought that was a bit strange.

[@jamesdanielski7347]

And also, what was up with Archer grabbing Shirou's arm when he died? 🤔

[@shutupntakemymoni]

Well thank god she is not imagining.

[@whitefox3189]

As someone who watched every route I found the scene where Rin's pendant broke to be most impactfull.

[@NeNeiSan]

That was one of my favorite moments as well!

[@tinypickle]

By the time it got to this, I kind of forgot- it's the pendant that Rin gave him to save his life and there was a bit more juice in there to help him get his soul converted by Illya in the end- right? I think that's all it served as in the movie?

[@wanowatchtower]

What Happens to Saber After Death in Movie 3

[@itsyaboim]

So Shirou still lives right? How about his memories? Do he still remember everything in the past ?

[@NeNeiSan]

Yes, he is pretty much the same person. Memories and all.

[@itsyaboim]

@@NeNeiSan OMG thank God! Thanks !

[@itsyaboim]

@@NeNeiSan I thought he would lose his memories .So they live together peacefully right? Also I was thinking of the part that Rin ask Sakura "Are you happy about this" what does Rin really wanted to say, can u explain this too?

[@NeNeiSan]

@@itsyaboim Rin's question was to solidify that Sakura was not bound to her trauma of the Matou household and that she could forgive herself for what had happened during the war. She finally got the Happy ending she deserved, living peacefully with Shirou. Glad I could answer these for you!

[@itsyaboim]

@@NeNeiSan Thank you so much! You just earn a sub. 😁😁 Btw after you explain all if this now I can die peacefully ☺️

[@gundambassexe31]

I remember this from the visual novel. Heavens feel was so phenomenal

[@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892]

The catching up and surpassing archer scene was in the VN too

[@NeNeiSan]

My bad, I should have been more clear. I was referring to when Shirou was running through the rocky plain, and how they added to that scene.

[@HachannEinzbern]

The entire trilogy is a summary of the story, it doesn't even cover 1/3 of the original length. It's sad because i love the OG HF, It's one of the best reads I've ever had.

[@GatsuRage]

I hate the fact Shirou and Saber last moments were so quick and fast... was hoping for a bit more of drama in it but it ended so abrupt.

[@NeNeiSan]

It was a huge and heartfelt scene, one of the fan favorites in the VN. I don't know why a death of a character and their last words were only adapted in a few seconds. It would have been great if this movie was 30 minutes to an hour longer.

[@EverythingIsNothing4]

unfortunately, this adaptation suffered a lot from having to be contained in just 3 movies aka 6 hours of time. This is the lengthiest route and contains the most lore, but the adaptation had to rush through plot points which caused a major issue with pacing in all films, not to mention a ton of characters got sidelined including rider & illya who in the vn had arguably just as much story as sakura- saber is another character who got sidelined a lot which made her climax with shirou&rider not as impactful. I understand why films were made and so many scenes shine because of the extra budget, and while still good adaptations, as a fan I’m a bit disappointed at how incomplete the films feel overall

[@NeNeiSan]

I loved the movies, but I just wish each movie had an extra 30 minutes to develop some of the characters and expand upon itself a bit more.

[@EverythingIsNothing4]

@@NeNeiSan Completely agree

[@yevonsama]

@@NeNeiSan 150-180 minutes for every movies. With me, the second movie is the most important. It shows about both Illya and Sakura's characters/ suffering. Unfortunately, Sudou doesn't have enough time.

[@witchpark5386]

@@NeNeiSan true .i hope they will release a directors cut like zack snyder justice league for the sake of more storyline of untold stories eheh sorry for my opinion hahaha sori im bad in english

[@NeNeiSan]

​@@witchpark5386 I would love that to happen. I feel if it was redone similarly to that it would make it a lot better. Don't worry about it, feel free to express your thoughts. You'll get better, just have to keep practicing.

[@mmorpgal4229]

Sadly couldnt go to the screening due to local covid restrictions. Ended up watching the wire and Fate/Apocrypha with my friend instead. Good times and hope you liked it

[@NeNeiSan]

That sucks, I heard a lot of people weren't able to go. The Blu-Ray comes out on March 31st, 2021, so it's not too bad of a wait, but still a while.

[@yahimtalkingtoyou4653]

Really well thought out video dude!

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

[@blazearmoru]

I was kinda sad they didn't tag "Sparks Liner High" after the credits :(

[@NeNeiSan]

Yeah, I was hoping it was going to be a special feature in the physical release like how UBW had the Sunny Days ending, but sadly...

[@anonnimoose7987]

Of course they're not gonna add H or kissing scene with Rider Rin. She's no one. Shirou: Well that's mean.

[@iicodiixfuz_saiyan7283]

Hold up... Can u pls explain this

[@anonnimoose7987]

@@iicodiixfuz_saiyan7283 This is Sakura's route. Having xxx with Rin (actually Rider) in the movie would get in the way

[@Kuro-jk8ky]

So he did die.... Anyways thank you so much for clearing my mind man and your contents are great keep it up

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, I'm glad it could help!

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

I love how the hf manga expand the visual novel story .

[@NeNeiSan]

I haven't read it yet, but I will definitely check it out

[@NeNeiSan]

@@vivacosita7261 Thank you

[@Sanuw7]

How?

[@vivacosita7261]

@@Sanuw7 first of all Manga version had standalone proper start and it also give balance b/w every character such as in movie we mostly got screen time with sakura but didn't get character like illya and kirei . Second of all we got sakura perspective from beginning of the route.

[@Sanuw7]

@@vivacosita7261 I have not played the visual novel or read the manga, so I would like to know, does the manga solve the plot holes that the VN has, (if it has them)?

[@DuharaNirwan-yz8pe]

I just end this masterpiece now ❤️

[@BradenMarksberry]

Hey! I have a question! At the end when Shirou was about to destroy the greater grail at the cost of his own life- how was Illia able to destroy it? I understand that she was able to save Shirou by utilizing an imperfect form of the third magic (using the dress) but I don’t understand how she was able to destroy the grail and stop Avenger from being summoned.

[@NeNeiSan]

The Dress of Heaven allows the wearer to have greater control over the grail, along with her being a vessel allowed her to have complete control over it.

[@none29975]

My question is still unanswered, why in the ending everyone seemed sad that shiro wasn't there although he was there,idk it seems empty

[@nzlala2633]

so emiya is alive because his soul was protected by ilya and then put in a doll by rin and sakura? so in the ending they are all happy and sakura got to see the spring with emiya right?

[@NeNeiSan]

Correct

[@nzlala2633]

@@NeNeiSan yes im happy now thanks for the answer and for the great video

[@NeNeiSan]

@@nzlala2633 Thank you! I'm glad I could help and that you enjoyed!

[@luckycoin1388]

Yeah but i still didn’t like this doll thing, cause yes is alive but with a fake body not a real one, soo I feel like is not really Shirou 100%

[@nzlala2633]

@@luckycoin1388 i mean it his is soul but yes

[@ZekeChanguris]

I enjoyed this a lot. I love Illya. I'm so happy she gets a happy life in Prismia.

[@sweethinako5248]

Hummm......are you sure ?

[@SendiSiradj]

Good content. Thank you, this is like closure to me

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, glad I could help!

[@Chimmers102]

now all i want is a sparks liner high ova

[@NeNeiSan]

I would love to see that end animated. Hopefully its included with the Blu-Ray.

[@SoycloudVTuber]

I guess I need to read the Visual Novel

[@NeNeiSan]

It's a great read and highly recommend it when you get the chance!

[@cloakedclover]

"Just read the visual novel" 🥰

[@Sanuw7]

@@NeNeiSan What about Realta Nua?, is it better than the original VN?

[@NeNeiSan]

@@Sanuw7 The Realtua Nua version is better

[@Sanuw7]

@@NeNeiSan Is that so?, how?

[@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194]

TY for clarifying Shirou being brought back by binding his soul into a working body. I for a second thought that the interactions he was having when he reappeared were a figment of Sakura's imagination, believing what life could've been and played out had Shirou been around after the HGW.

[@NeNeiSan]

That is a pretty common consensus that, unless you're keenly observing those brief shots in the epilogue and are knowledgable about Kara No Kyoukai, will seem a lot more ambigous than it actually is. Glad this could help!

[@tyruku18]

I am glad Chad Mainyu was there

[@tinypickle]

Bit late here but I always felt what happened to Saber to be a little anti-climactic. She gets claimed by the goo/shadow/Sakura and is admired as "facing her own darkness" and is shown struggling for the grail until she turns around and sees her dark self, and then she just...disappears effectively? From then on she's fully replaced by Saber Alter and then somehow by anime plot logic has a brief moment of "being normal saber again" before she's killed. I just don't really get how any of that holds up with logical consistency- and the part about facing her own darkness I feel like just gets forgotten. Am I missing something here? Or does it feel like just a bunch of wasted potential?

[@akai3974]

The amount for things the movies cut and changed from the visual novel was crazy there’s still something’s and for saber I guess right before death saber or good saber spoke out a bit it’s just logic for anime 😂

[@tinypickle]

@@akai3974 did they explain the saber thing better somehow? I just don't get what the point was and that whole thing about facing her darkness lmao

[@akai3974]

@@tinypickle no they really didn’t I wish they did since in the other 2 routes saber could have gone evil too but even in havens feel it didn’t get touched it just happened

[@tinypickle]

@@akai3974 lmao okay yeah it just feels like a lazy way to get rid of her and repurpose her for action and nothing else

[@JoshuaDMarti]

Said Dialogue between Saber and Saber Alter doesn't exist in the VN, Saber sinply gets "swallowed" by the Shadow and next time we see her she is already Saber Alter. My only guess is that said dialogue was sort of borrowed from Saber Alter's route in Unlimited Codes (Fighting games) where she just accepts the darkness of the mud and decides to act as an "agent of fate", if her role now is to guard the shadow and Sakura, she will do so until the very end. She already lost anyway so there is not much she can do against her new master. An ñd something that the movie fails to portray (and that you wouldn't know unless you get an specific bad ending) is that Saber Alter going "Ah... Shirou... 🥺" right before she dies is actually just Saber Alter's attempt to trick Shirou. Right in that moment you get to make a choice in the VN. Wether let her go or killing her right there. If you choose to not kill her, Saber Alter silently disappears and goes to help Sakura to Kill Rin. By the moment Shirou arrives where Sakura is, Rin has been defeated.

[@AgentLakshay]

Kirei is a person who change color like chameleon

[@ObviousHUN]

I think Fate should *Never* be in movie format. An adaptation is like cutting cake, while maintaining a roundshape. The movies has to cut waaay to much for it to be a good adaptation. Heaven Feel is enjoyable, with great soundtrack and great visuals. However the second you need to search information every 20 mintues to have a clue on what's going on, it failed as an adaptation. I'm not trying to sh*t on HF, but we need to face the music. Nasu is is a great writer, but he often times needlessly either makes things complex for the sake of complex (For example, if Quantum Timelock is a thing why does the Grand Order happen? Then again, maybe the information is lost through the countless texts for me), Or Overexplains things, and the sucks some of the mysticism from the world. I think Fate should always be in a series format. It worked greatly for UBW, without hurting the story overall. Once again I want to say that I like Fate series, but I also wanted to say some criticism.

[@NeNeiSan]

That's a fair point. I don't know why it was decided to make the longest route have the shortest adaptation. The first two movies could get away with the lack of explanations, since it made sense in the moment, leading the audience to think it would be explained in the finale. But there was so much that was needed to comprehend the third film that while it was on its final sprint, tripped over from the many unexplained plot threads. There was a lot to love about the adaptation, but it also has a lot of problems.

[@ObviousHUN]

@@NeNeiSan By the way, while we are on the topic, there were 2 things that were not clear for me. 1-1 in both UBW and HF In HF before Berserk fight, why did he said "Trigger off"? It seemed so random to me. and in UBW when Shirou is having blades come out of body, was that a fore shadow what happens if he can't control UBW?

[@NeNeiSan]

@@ObviousHUN In the Berserker fight, Shirou had an abundance of inner monologue. It was apart of an incantation for the technique "Nine Lives" that describes the way he uses his magic circuits in the way of a revolver. In UBW the blades coming out of him was a symbolization of his origin "Sword" Some of these explanations may be a bit off since it has been a while since I properly read through it, but I hope this makes a bit more sense.

[@ObviousHUN]

@@NeNeiSan It does, thanks!

[@Starmag99]

>For example, if Quantum Timelock is a thing why does the Grand Order happen? Grand Order happens because of Solomon (heh) using his Grails to overturn Quantum Timelocks. That's what his singularities were to begin with, something formed with the express purpose of destroying Quantum Timelocks.

[@yuuki6390]

The show is truly amazing. It's incomparable, certainly. But I think the reason why it doesn't receive the attention it deserves is because of how vague everything is. Even after watching the entirety of fate, information will still be vague. Resulting to not leaving a mark on the watchers heart. Fate being vague is what makes it as Fate, it's both amazing at the same time so hard to deal with. . This is one of those animes I can call "Not for everyone."

[@whateverwhatever4476]

The VN is where you get most of the info from the anime tends to cut it out cause each route builds on each other and gives proper info

[@Caleb-zl4wk]

@@whateverwhatever4476for the low low cost of downloading a digital picture book (admittedly, a masterfully made one) from 2004 and reading it for 90 hours

[@jaystar3145]

Wow never new about the difference between vn's and the anime nice vid

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you. It's been a while seen I last read it so I needed to go back, and I was also surprised to see how different they were.

[@jaystar3145]

Np

[@Kuracarmy]

nice video! could you just explain me why rider was able to live on? god bless

[@NeNeiSan]

After the war, the contract between Rider and Sakura never ended. She is able to maintain herself through Sakura's mana, as she still has an abundance of it from the Grail.

[@brendan1470]

Did Touko Aozaki have spare Mystic Eyes Killer spectacles for people like Rider? If I'm not mistaken, her sister Aoko Aozaki stole a few Mystic Eyes Killers and gave one to Tohno Shiki at the beginning of Tsukihime

[@NeNeiSan]

I'm not really sure, it's hard to tell since Fate and Tsukihime happen in different timelines.

[@brendan1470]

I thought Tsukihime happened before Fate Stay Night...

[@NeNeiSan]

@@brendan1470 That was the case, but that was reconned by Nasu sometime after the release of FGO.

[@asrieldreemurr6886]

Why was so much stuff left out of HF3? Because it was a film

[@NeNeiSan]

It's mostly just time constraints from being adapted in a trilogy format. The source material for the entirety of Heaven's feel can take 20-30 hours to read through, while the movies only total to 6.

[@AgentLakshay]

How shirou survived

[@blob-kun]

Why doesn't Rider disappear at the end?

[@honxiu]

Sakura is still holding on to her with the unlimited grail power

[@glorilla64]

Anyone knows how to get access to f/sn VNs. I wouldnt mind paying, but it's near impossible for me to get my hands on it. If smone cld provide info as to how I can play the VNs, tht would be a huge help.

[@NeNeiSan]

I used this guide to download it www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/7qh6ho/fatestay_night_vn_installation_guide_vii/ its detailed and if you have any problems there is a FAQ section to help out.

[@overcraft1441]

Thank you. I really needed this video

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, Glad I could help.

[@QKumberZ]

Could you stop using background footage? The flashes are extremely annoying and add nothing to the video. Hard to concentrate with flashing white lights in the background

[@NeNeiSan]

Sorry about that. I can see the problems with it now, that I didn't realize before. Thank you for letting me know, so I can fix this in the future.

[@Gamer_ProBoyZ]

I think that he's just trying to show what he's talking about and you not being able to handle it sound like a personal problem in which don't watch it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@KyokoKirigirie]

we need a continuation of the fsn series.

[@emiyavalentine5969]

Hollow ataraxia

[@kevintravers3988]

When I watch the dub I'll come right back to this.

[@NeNeiSan]

Hope you enjoy the film!

[@kingofmonster6057]

Wait angra mainyu arc

[@akai3974]

There was a lot of things that wet unanswered for me so I ended up reading the vn for the dirts time and man was it enjoyable and the amount of cut content they could have used was amazing I wish they did

[@WiSe0014]

can someone plz explain to me how shirou is alive in the end? didnt his whole body disappear?? I am so confused. IF they made him into a doll, where did they get the soul for the body from? if he is a doll then does that mean he will stop aging just like illya?

[@NeNeiSan]

Illya used the Third Magic (Materialization of the soul) to put Shirou's soul into a container, which is later found by Rider. Rin then takes Shirou's soul to put into a doll made by the mage Touko Aozaki who specializes in creating realistic puppets. Despite being a doll he will still age since the dolls made by Touko are very similar to that of a human.

[@anon7945]

@@NeNeiSan Will they able to have a Child though? after all that not having to able to F Sakura its just sad ;P

[@NeNeiSan]

@@anon7945 There not that much detail on the limitations or if there are any at all, but I think they would be able to.

[@whydoistillusethissite8626]

0:39 wait so I'm supposed to not only know the Fate timeline but KnK as well to understand the ending of this movie?

[@NeNeiSan]

You may be able to loosely put together what happened without KnK. But knowing the characters of KnK make it a lot easier to understand.

[@enryu7886]

So illya died in the end?

[@NeNeiSan]

Yes, sadly.

[@bittercoleslaw1811]

TLDW: Watch other Type Moon works before diving into Heaven's Feel first

[@21BARREIRO]

Okay im glad I wasn’t cause I was high as shit why the movie felt like so many parts were taken out. Honestly still think the second one is better

[@projectinstinct4079]

yo great video, thanks cleared up a lot, but one thing im wondering is if shiruo still has the abilities of archers arm and does he still want to be a hero even with his altered ideals and him going down a different route to kiritsugu or after saving sakura is he content with living his life. thanks again

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, I'm glad you enjoyed and that I could be of help! It's safe to say that he doesn't have Archer's abilities since the arm he was using for Archer's powers in now gone. As for his ideals, he has completely given up on the Hero of Justice path. Since he had already abandoned his ideals, he would only feel guilt if he was to readopt them. After the war, he just lives his days peacefully with Sakura.

[@projectinstinct4079]

@@NeNeiSan thanks a lot dude appreciate it

[@maximus4426]

Been a long time since i read the vn but i rember Rin implies Shirou can learn Archer's abilities with some time at the end. After all Shirou's soul was being corrupted by Archer's arm, he may not have all of Archer's knowledge but he should have what he got access to before he lost his body.

[@projectinstinct4079]

@@maximus4426 oh thanks dude I appreciate it.

[@Michael-ke9kf]

Hi, first of all cool video, thank you for give some information about the adaptation. Now someone who can pass me a link or something similar for view the movie please? 😔 I'm from Mexico, so I couldn't see because here is not avalaible yet, and I didn't found the movie, is doesn't matter if is in english.

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed. Sadly, the movie is unavailable right now. The Blu-Rays will release on March 31st, 2021.

[@Michael-ke9kf]

@@NeNeiSan all right, thank you again for the information of the adaptation, and thank you for the date of the Blue-Rays, now I know the time I need to wait, only a few months more 😁

[@NeNeiSan]

@@Michael-ke9kf No problem, Glad you enjoyed!

[@Terrellnoodles810]

This anime made me cry so hard shirou did so much to protect Sakura But died at the end that made me so mad at the end but I guess the doll shirou is still better than nothing and shirou and Sakura got to see the cherry blossom trees so beautiful 💖💖💖 and you did an alright job explaining this amazing bro🔥

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you! Heaven's "Feel" is very fitting for the final third. So many emotional moments

[@innerguardianXIII]

Thank you for confirming my suspicion. I KNEW That was Aozaki simply from the back of her head.

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem! I was excited to see her make another appearance, more Touko is always nice!

[@GatsuRage]

ill be honest I hated the ending, I didn't like it one bit. While I understand of the reasons behind it but I just can't come in terms with it, in which moment they get Shirou's soul???? like the only thing that it's said is that they couldn't find his body but how could Rin keep his soul or find it for that matter? Either way the Shirou that ends alive and "well" is not the OG Shirou, no matter how u slice it which sux. They bring back a copy of him just cos Sakura is so selfish that can't come in terms with him being gone.

[@NeNeiSan]

I understand how you feel. This one is probably the most decisive among Fate's endings. There was quite a few things in the anime that weren't exactly explained well, or at all. To clear things up a bit, When Illya sacrificed herself to close the grail, she was able to use it to recreate the Third magic, materialization of the soul. Putting it in a container to be found. There are definitely some things about the ending that makes it slightly tone deaf and geared to Sakura. So if you dislike Sakura as a character most likely you aren't going to Personally, it's one of my favorite endings with the meaning and theme behind it.

[@shiro5811]

Slight correction: If you go back and rewatch the ending of Pt.3 on Netflix, I'm pretty sure Zouken mentioned something along the line of "500 years... in a blink of an eye" so i'd say he lived for 500 instead of the 200 you mentioned here. But nonetheless, good shit.

[@shutupntakemymoni]

I really loved Heaven's feel 1st and 2nd movie for its character development. The 3rd movie felt a bit rushed and has a lot of unnatural transitions. Might be because of Covid 19... Well at least the animation is still top quality and more importantly, Sakura finally got the happiness she deserves. Fk Zokan and Shinji.

[@NeNeiSan]

Despite its rough patches I still love the movie, but the 2nd is still my favorite of the 3.

[@shutupntakemymoni]

@@NeNeiSan Same here bro. That movie felt perfect in every aspect.

[@juanmiguelsebastian1477]

shinji's story is not told in heaven's feel 3 but a portion is set in heaven's feel 2. before his death, he tried to rape sakura while yelling "i should be the heir. you are just a tool..." something like that

[@shanemiller1182]

Yeah I prefer that over the VN spelling it out tbh. Especially since Shinji isn’t really a character you would want to sympathize with anyways

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

Kinda ironic that shinji inherent all things zouken has except the magic crest.

[@diegowf2752]

Wait a minute. so... the ending of Fate/Stay Night UBW and the one of Heaven's Feel are just like different endings of the same story? or... idk. I was a little confused watching Heaven's feel after finishing Stay Night so... anybody care to explain?

[@NeNeiSan]

Fate/Stay Night is originally a Visual Novel which is a game of sorts where you read through the story and pick choices which end up altering the story. Fate/Stay Night has 3 major paths the story can take. UBW and Heaven's Feel are two of these paths.

[@spicy7724]

What’s the best way to download the visual novel?

[@NeNeiSan]

Step 1: Click on this link drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxjqYGeW5hdDWExNSGdmeGJhQlU Step 2: At the top click where it says Fate/Stay Night, and click Download. Step 3: Once the file is zipped and downloaded, drag it onto your desk top. Step 4: Download WinRAR software, this will make unzipping the file a lot easier. www.win-rar.com/download.html?L=0 Step 5: Go over to the Fate Stay Night zip file you downloaded and right click. Go to where is says extract to Fate Stay Night. Step 6: Once the it is processed, a folder should pop up on your desktop. Go into the folder and there should be 2 files called Fate. Look over at the type, at the top of the folder. One should be Icon and another will Application. By clicking on the Application file should open the game and can begin reading. (I recommend changing that file name to "Fate-Open Game" just to avoid confusion later on.) If you are having trouble please let me know, and I'll try to help.

[@reecetwomeyonyegbule6956]

Need to save this for later

[@spicy7724]

@@NeNeiSan thanks broski

[@NeNeiSan]

@@spicy7724 Glad I could help!

[@sendthebrainonly]

Just wondering is Hollow Ataraxia the sequel of Heaven's feel? I really hope that one day HA can have it's own anime, otherwise FSN series really ends here.

[@NeNeiSan]

HA is a bit complicated, instead of being a sequel to one route in particular it is a sequel to all of them. I'm hoping for an adaptation for it as well, its a great part of the series and would be a shame to see it left behind.

[@anonymousblade8081]

So Fate Apocrypha and Grand Order arent related to the FSN series right? I'm watching Apocrypha rn. I'm gonna miss this cast of characters

[@NeNeiSan]

@@anonymousblade8081 There are some overlapping characters, but they take place in entirely different timelines.

[@anonymousblade8081]

@@NeNeiSan ok thanks. I just finished watched HF3 today. I feel empty lol

[@muizsheikh3759]

So is the Shirou in the dummy at the ending, the exact same shirou who died by the grail?

[@NeNeiSan]

Yes

[@Goku-zu3rk]

What is with Lancer, who got absorbed too? What is with that emiya with white hear from heavens feel part 2? They were some weird scenes of him. Oh and why did we had 2 Assasin Servants (the samurai and the black one)?

[@NeNeiSan]

Lancer completely died as he had his heart taken by Zabaniya before getting absorbed by the shadow. The sequence with the white hair Emiya is supposed to allude to a bad in the visual novel where Shirou chooses to keep pushing forward with his ideals. Zouken uses Koujiro's body as a catalyst to summon Hassan.

[@elijahs9274]

i was really disappointed with how badly these things were explained in the movie itself. Really brought down what could have been a great ending

[@manikn4585]

Same

[@artiqueno]

Does the dummy actually become the heroic spirit, the archer?

[@NeNeiSan]

None of the Fate/Stay Night Shirous end up as Archer because of the change and perception of their ideals.

[@qeotion6167]

Archer's arm represents a part of his soul hence UBW, the reality marble is not actually materilized from the mind but from the soul which is why shirou was able to search for weapons in archer's UBW, also the swords that invades his body are coming directly from archer's UBW reinforcing shirou's body to match up to it's original owner ( archer ) and it's also a healing mechanism which was hinted in the first visual novel but shirou was healed by avalon instead,here shirou is being healed by UBW and reinforced at the same time, also this explains the visions of archer being struck with swords in Fate/Stay night UBW, hope this clears out much details

[@tjjordan4207]

I hope to see an Extended Cut or an anime series remake. But, regardless, I thought the movie was damn good for what it was trying to do as a stand-alone movie, sequel, conclusion, and adaptation.

[@mandolen3317]

It was for more for people who read entire VN and don't care about plot of the Movies. It was all worth it, Saber vs Rider just blew my fucking mind

[@r.k845]

No it wasn’t. Fan favourite scenes were garbage and filler fights like Rider vs saber got the attention.

[@coscoteruel1162]

Do the other characters acknowledge Shirou the doll as the true shirou? Or do they think that he is a just replacement shirou? Does Shirou the doll acknowledge that he was Shirou the human?

[@NeNeiSan]

Shirou is pretty much the exact same as he was before, memories and all. While they acknowledge the doll body, it doesn't effect the relationship he has with himself or with others.

[@PianoMeetsMetal]

Me wondering why Sakura's route had to be so messed up... She never got the perfect happy ending huh...

[@valowens9390]

I know I’m super late but quick question. But in the heavens feel route how does emiya become archer ? Ik abt blade works but I’m confused on heavens feel.

[@NeNeiSan]

Don't worry about, glad you're here! Shirou does not become Archer in any of the routes. Archer's time line is completely different from the routes we were shown. In Fate, Shirou looked forward to meeting Saber and learning his faults within himself from her. In UBW, he didn't blindly follow his ideals. Coming to understand the flaws within his mentality. Preventing the despair he would feel when coming to the conclusion that saving everyone is just a fallacy. In Heaven's Feel, there is no reason for him to become Archer, since he had completely abandoned his own ideals.

[@r.k845]

Shirou never becomes archer in any of the routes.

[@nicee8236]

how does Archer exist if shirou doesn't follow his dream

[@NeNeiSan]

It doesn't matter what happens to Shirou, Archer will always exist. Archer's attempt to kill Shirou for him to be free of his contract was just a desperate belief he hung onto to give him hope.

[@justkookl5651]

Watched the film recently, I dont know if its because I've gone through shows like the monogatari series and played a bit of FGO, but I pretty much understood most of the show. Was it really that confusing?

[@NeNeiSan]

It really comes down to expectations and how much attention was given to the film. There were a lot of things that were quickly skimmed over or not explained what so ever. It left out a lot of depth the story had, but it only matters if you look deep into the story.

[@lliamthrumble]

Yeah peeps need their hands held and meaning beaten into them.... im anime only and followed it just fine.

[@EduardoWeidmanBarijan]

Thanks for pointing out the differences. It has been a long time I had played the novels and I noticed the movies had some history and scene changed. It is still a masterpiece by ufotable, and it is nice to see a lot of the scenes animated

[@raszota8466]

Wait wait wait. The women is called Justize? (Or how you write that). I thought thats the name of the fella that locked out Kiritsugu from the einsbern estate after the 4th grail war. Anyways thanks for explaining a lot! Great video.

[@NeNeiSan]

That guy, the head of the Einzbern, name is Jubstacheit I'm glad you enjoyed and that I was able to help!

[@Vedhon]

thanks for the video it was confusing for mw why he couldn't remember illyas name so i started looking for it without having to look through the entire vn

[@NeNeiSan]

No problem, it's quite a lot to go through just to get a few answers. Glad I could help!

[@Seigfreid060]

And to be honest if u think about it the actual origin start in the fate stay night PSP game but here they are a few different scenes like saber turning back to her normal self it almost explains sakura's back story and shows u every move that shiro should have used instead of the nine life *** in the movie

[@Seigfreid060]

The origin of the movie or what it was also based on

[@yorutonetsujou9818]

PLEASE ANSWER I've been thinking about this.. 1)Is it true that new shirou's body need constant supply of mana from sakura? 2)Why Rin asked Sakura if she's happy did she asked about shirou's body? Btw I really like this video and comments it will help a lot of people who's confused and didn't go deep into VN

[@NeNeiSan]

1. No, Shirou's body can live perfectly fine without a supply of mama. It's functions almost perfectly as a normal body. 2. Rin asking Sakura if she was happy was reassuring her that Sakura had overcome at least a bit of her trauma and guilt. Sakura knew about Shirou's body since she was there when his soul was implanted. Thank you, I'm glad I was able to help!

[@yorutonetsujou9818]

@@NeNeiSan thanks very helpful 👍(◍•ᴗ•◍)✧*。

[@yevonsama]

Very many hidden points in the movie. I watched it four times and see at least 13 of them. Some actually from the Novel. Some is the new ideas of Ufortable ( Shirou's key).

[@Sanuw7]

Key?

[@yevonsama]

@@Sanuw7 yeah. That key = family, where you can belong to; where to return; the normal life. Re-check movie-2 to see it.

[@Sanuw7]

@@yevonsama Is it some kind of symbolism?

[@yevonsama]

@@Sanuw7 yeah. They actually explain it in the movie-2. Watch it carefully to realize its meaning.

[@Sanuw7]

@@yevonsama I will