I am 80. I taught philosophy for 47 years. You are an excellent teacher, but you already know that.
@mudassrazainab8440 Жыл бұрын
Kindly send me aims of education by O Conor.
@diptimangautam5533 Жыл бұрын
@erniewilliams2790 that last part 'but you already know that' is sly joke abt the topic at hand isn't it?
@notsure8554 ай бұрын
Or does she? How do you define knowledge?
@mech5gikiКүн бұрын
fair contribution
@just_matt393710 ай бұрын
This is the first time I've heard someone discuss Heidegger in plain English. I love it!
@willemdebruijn73212 жыл бұрын
Another way of putting it is to say anxiety is the fear of being, which, as Heidegger suggests, we experience more readily in the dark because that's when we get past the state of distraction that characterises our being in the world on an everyday basis and closer to the nothingness that haunts us at the core of our being. Paradoxically, then, it is the fear of nothing (and the fear of freedom) that can cripple us. So, KEEP CALM AND READ HEIDEGGER. Thanks for the lovely video.
@transom28 ай бұрын
Heidegger is tapping into deep core experiences of being human. No doubt. But how should we think about him given that his philosophy & thoughts on existing & living in the world led him to become an enthusiastic &: unrepentant Nazi.
@drangelapuca2 жыл бұрын
As a fellow university lecturer in Philosophy (and Religious Studies) I have to say your work on this channel is amazing! Thanks for the great content you provide for us, Ellie.
@Reflox1 Жыл бұрын
Having an anxiety disorder myself looking into Heidegger really made the connection between what I was experiencing. I hate the state I am in, I am beginning to grow resentful of my general life in its entirety. But to experience this in the first place I had to feel comfortable with my daily life. It reassured me that i am not fundamentally opposed to the way things are going, but that I may have to reevaluate some aspects so I can return to my state of emotional equilibrium.
@TheJthom9 Жыл бұрын
Thinking about yourself is the same as feeling miserable. It is the same for everyone. Forget the self
@bennyboyy646Ай бұрын
I’m here because of House of Leaves including an excerpt from Heidegger’s “Being and Time” on this subject. This really opened my eyes and allowed me to understand it better, and even use this in my own life to change my perspective on anxiety. It is truly a very fascinating view!
@markcounselingАй бұрын
Wow. This is a dramatic reframe of why panic attacks at 19 eventually led me to seek the freedom of emptiness in Buddhist practice, which is to say, a re-evaluation of the root amd meaning of that same anxiety.
@ninobrazil59909 ай бұрын
Very well explained great job
@Mohamad-dc1zx Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. As far as I got your words, the anxiety in Heidegger perception is the price we pay for being free of whatever the society has determined for us in the hope of reaching freedom or creativity. Staying in this position could be dangerous as it holds us crippling in nothingness. This may explain why many citizens tend to cling to social norms to stay calm and in peace without having to question whether there are any other better paths to take.
@russellbaston97410 ай бұрын
Yes the “whatever society has determined for us” is part of our ‘throwness’ ( Geworfenheit) the given circumstances of our existence. The “ clinging to social norms” is important it is part our ‘ordinary everydayness’ ( Alteglichkeit).
@tsikomolis74482 жыл бұрын
I am one of the hundred that came here to thank you. You simplify with such a wonderful way , terms that you cannot find an understandable explanation for someone who is not studying philosophy or being an academic. Thank you
@metheplant96557 ай бұрын
Anxiety is the sensitivity to universal entropy applied to oneself. feeling the flow from a less ordered state into a more chaotic state, which we are usually unaware of. It’s Acknowledging you are a vessel for free energy, navigating a bottomless ocean. And it is also the nostalgia for one’s distant past, when everything was at equilibrium. a sour mixture of past and future, at odds with the present.
@NaveenKumar-xs5ie Жыл бұрын
This type of anxiety happens all the time to me since my childhood, but I couldn't put into words.
@fernandomarianotorres522810 ай бұрын
That was a flawless, perfect explanation. So I want to say that I felt a litle beat disappointed when you said, "we are afraid that we couldn't find a job". I mean, we are afraid of our own freedom, so I think we are afraid even to find a job or to choose one for ourselves. Just an idea, no ofens. You are almost perfect teacher and I'm very grateful for your videos
@dejd3 жыл бұрын
Love the explanation on this one, especially the relation of freedom and nothingness. I was always afraid when reading Heidegger, even more than I was afraid of vases!
@poincaredisk2 жыл бұрын
my girl loved ur channel and also me too. im majoring math and she's in physics eng. we never seen a professor like you. thank you for the content. we love you
@StereoPalto2 жыл бұрын
It seems I've finally got the algorithm perfectly tuned to recommend me THE BEST CONTENT. This is amazing.
@syedaleemuddin68042 жыл бұрын
I like your presentation. It's an eye opener for me. I just came from Jordan Peterson explaining Nietzscha but his attitude and your attitude is totally different, you're more direct and more refreshing.. Thanks from India 🇮🇳
@chggg5672 жыл бұрын
There is a real professor in the room, SALUTE WITH GREAT RESPECT!
@fanning329 ай бұрын
Thank you for this--I really enjoyed it.
@helgaioannidis936511 ай бұрын
I'm a clinical psychologist and did my thesis on the daseinsanalytic school in Switzerland. Their theories based on Heidegger have turned out for me to be very useful in treating my patients. I often combine an explanation of the functions of basic emotions in an evolutionary context with roughly explaining how Geworfenheit by itself is extremely scary and hence we need a certain grade of illusion and remotion to be able to pretend to have enough control over our life to feel safe enough to keep going.
@davidmatta27272 жыл бұрын
Simply put, it is the difference between common anxiety about something versus existential anxiety about everything (Unheimlichkeit or alienation) without going nuts. Coming to terms with this kind of anxiety is liberating.
@incognitoanonymous53962 жыл бұрын
This is why I start to like Continental philosophy for the simple reason that it is relevant to one's own life and it deepens one's understanding of oneself vis-a-vis the world in which one is immersed. In a word, it speaks to our intimate inner world. In this case, existential anxiety is really a weird mode because it appears fully only if one's consciousness has no particular object as happens in deep meditation where the self or the "I" that observes the objects of consciousness is itself been collapsed and vanished in whatever is observed resulting in a whole consciousness with no division. In this moment, there is a peace but afterward, there is an anxiety unlike any normal anxiety. It is an empty anxiety. One feels totally empty literally which causes confusion and it may lead to dread and drive one to be attached to something to fill in that emptiness.
@smkh28902 жыл бұрын
I don’t experience that emptiness unless I forget to practice.
@tadeuszszerynski6347 Жыл бұрын
Never heard before such complex concepts explained so clearly, yet not simplified. Brilliant, thank you!
@jbjrsdbttdl2 жыл бұрын
Wow this video is amazing! I've never thought of Anxiety this way before and it actually is really helpful to learn this in my life right now! Keep up the great work on your channel!!
@transom28 ай бұрын
Well done Ms Ellie. Those moments of strangeness & anxiety when we are shaken out of the supports of routine into that feeling of nothingness which requires intention & action to be or do something seem like something more philosophers should focus on.
@nicolascoello84695 ай бұрын
That's what Heidegger wrote about, he condemns past philosophy because they forgot the question about being. To Heidegger, there's no greater quesion than the question of being.
@Psicologia_Interdisciplinaria Жыл бұрын
I have watched this video twice. I think Heidegger is beautiful because the truthfulness behind his profound work
@bprobertson9 ай бұрын
this video made me anxious and I loved it
@adamdominguez6562 жыл бұрын
The “unhomeliness” explanation coupled with pebble in shoe unlocked something. It’s that feeling of realizing your house has been broken into while you were gone. Total environment shift.
@bikecaptain80152 жыл бұрын
I have found, myself, (and I think it at least tangentially related to the concepts at hand) that that only happens when you're fooling yourself and suddenly realize so. "Yeah, I did just leave a 2 story pile of resources unattended for most of a day around people with limited options. You're gonna get that." is a way less crippling reaction than, "They crossed the threshold? I thought there was some kind of "decent person force field" involved. How did the drywall not prevent unauthorized entry? I'll never sleep again."
@Dhruvbala3 ай бұрын
This is the first video I’ve seen on Heidegger that made sense to me. Now, it’s very possible that the videos I’ve seen before would have primed me to understand, but your video deserves recognition as the culmination of my _Aha_ moments
@cesarjom2 жыл бұрын
Anxiety, despair and nothingness, all key concepts in Existential philosophy! This continues to be my favorite schools of thought.
@robinharwood50442 жыл бұрын
"Anxiety, despair and nothingness, ..." Existentialism is so cheerful, isn't it?
@kandidwithkaleb8 ай бұрын
@@robinharwood5044yes because if everything is nothing then u don’t have to be anything 😂
@alchemydp11 ай бұрын
Brilliant. I haven’t read Heidegger in 30 years and you just brought it all back as eloquently as Professor Dreyfus used to. Even better.
@hd-xc2lz11 ай бұрын
Some of the clearest, yet not over-simplified, explications of Heideggerian terminology on KZbin. More Heidegger lectures, please.
@laylasami73245 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video .. I have been trying to read Heiddiger’s book “Being&Time” but came here to search some lessons to make it easier for me to understand it! I enjoyed this 🙏🏻
@robertmayfield87467 ай бұрын
I grew up reading philosophy and contemplating it. Now, 30 years later, coming back and listening to this lecture, makes me feel like coming back to the source that shaped me.
@MaryamBaloch-x1e7 ай бұрын
How did philosophy help shape you in a positive way ?
@robertmayfield87467 ай бұрын
@@MaryamBaloch-x1e I wrote the comment but it disappeared. So, once again. Watching series of Ellie's lectures. Well, short and easy to digest videos, which is good. I recognise influence of those philosophers onto my personal growth. Years ago I eventually choose to study psycholgy, and the philosophical phase in my life I can see as some kind of pre-scientific phase of my personal development. And the rules, especially ethics are still with me. Ethics is a laughable matter these days for many. But in fact, honesty in science strongly correlates with results. I mean real ones, not fraudulent bs we all can see every day, which is annoying. If that answers your question?
@debajyotij2 жыл бұрын
Your lectures are excellent. There are a lot of videos out there and they give numerous informations as well but they don't know how to teach; you do excel in that field. Thank you 😊
@annaczgli2983 Жыл бұрын
This was oddly calming. I finally get it now. I get life.
@fdbkfdbk10882 жыл бұрын
Ellie thank you so much for your content. You are one of the best out there, and personally my favourite. Please consider one day explain the concept of uncanny of Freud and the Real of Lacan. This is what it thought the most during your video.
@nsbd90now4 күн бұрын
How I struggled with "Being and Time" in grad school! Now, 40 years later, I just watch videos. lol!
@johndoe-rq1pu5 ай бұрын
I had that feeling once, twenty-five years ago. Hasn’t stopped.
@gulgutz90 Жыл бұрын
Hello professor. Thank you for doing this. Many of us need you.
@PriscillaSanchezConejo Жыл бұрын
Dear Professor Ellie.-- Probably, you get this a lot, but your videos are really amazing. The way you explain concepts and ideas makes me think that I am indeed having a dialog with the philosopher you are referring to. I have recommended your videos in Oxford, and I hope someday you can visit us there. Keep up the good work! and thank you for your videos, which are indeed: art!
@eriklarson8603 ай бұрын
Such a great explanation of these concepts! Thanks for the video!
@GoodOldDaysAreOver Жыл бұрын
Good stuff, about individualization process of anxiety and offered freedom in the face of absence of determined objects of fear, or impossibility of fleeing into the familiar gratification of pleasure, when nothing offers this familiarity of behavior, in these periods, the field is cleared for pure space, and there's nothing else.
@m1ar1vin2 жыл бұрын
Great video!! Would love a longer format lecture/video on Heidegger from you.
@kvass6792 жыл бұрын
Best explanation i have ever seen and heard. Thank you sooooo sooooo much
@esmoroglu2 жыл бұрын
Meticulous building of meaning between concepts. Thanks for the presentation.👏🏻👋🏼
@luispolanco67123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work Ellie. I´ve just seen the actual page of the podcast and it has much content, the episodes has each suggested bibliography. Im very thankfull to you, actually after watching your videos im more ineterested in studyng philosophy, and now i know what to read, im more orientated . Again thnaks, also, tryinng to write in english, hope is not confusing. My best desires to you and David
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy3 жыл бұрын
You're so welcome, glad you found it helpful!
@AkashGupta-zx9iw Жыл бұрын
Is there anything which can be eliminated from existence?? Everything is in existence!!! One can say "non-existence" is not included in existence but then non existence does not exists!!! Heidegger's philosophy of Dasein is wonderfully vedantic and gives reminiscence of the Ashtavakra Gita. I'm just so amazed to see how a person can possess so much wisdom and yet somehow remains to be such a fallible being.
@BioChemistryWizard Жыл бұрын
Martin Heidegger was a beautiful mind
@abooswalehmosafeer1732 жыл бұрын
What a masterful explanation,as her usual.
@johnhill33766 күн бұрын
Great job on this - well done!
@boaz1353 Жыл бұрын
I watch your videos with ambient music in the background its so good
@miguelmelo9138 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, you explaine it really well, clear to the point and above all with best simple examples we all face daily.
@djpangburn75052 ай бұрын
Gravity’s Rainbow is tucked in amongst those philosophy books. As a Pynchon lover, I am curious about its placement!
@albertsonntag754 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a clear articulation of the concept Dasein
@maybefreeoneday90610 ай бұрын
Danggg. I was reviewing for my phenomenology class and came across this video. At the beginning I just thought it's just all bullcrap. But you video made a lot sense to me! Good you illustrate with all the examples! Kierkegaard is just so much clearer to me now. "Anxiety as the dizziness of freedom" ---Indeed. The ending of the video almost feels like a meditation. Good video. Thxxx
@jensmullerster9 күн бұрын
Thank you for a nice and fast go-through about Heidegger. You are a really good philosopher in order to explain. . So I just thought, it would be nice to have a video, that compared Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and Heidegger. Differences between them and how to compare them. But thanks anyaway. All my regards
@RichInk2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully put.
@BobHamiltonnewradio2 жыл бұрын
So great...your channel has really been of help to me as I put these thoughts about life togethere...I took my first philosophy course 60 years ago...my first existential college course, 47 years ago....you have hel;ed me reviewl that I forgot and I appreciate it..I love the study of Satre in particular...Kris krisoffesen wrote one of my best lines in a song...."Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"....(Me and Bobby McGee)
@martinrea85482 жыл бұрын
Great song! Was it in a movie?
@marwasa Жыл бұрын
thank you so much. this was so elaborated, well explained and so helpful.
@KarenWoolstrum2 ай бұрын
Amazing as usual!!
@seiji685510 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this :") i wish i watched this video before reading my philo reading
@JJPineda1114 Жыл бұрын
Your insights are beautifully explained and make some elusive ideas accessible. .Thank you.
@JB-qh3dn Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this marvellous lecture
@vblake530530 Жыл бұрын
Best serving of Heidegger I’ve had in a CLIP My Sista! 👍🏿
@map8314 Жыл бұрын
This was an amazingly enjoyable piece of work, Professor Ellie. Thanks a lot, I also enjoy other works you post on the channel. especially existentialism as I am clearly in my astethic stage of life according to father Søren K. I see some books on Ego back there, and that's something I think I struggle with. Also, understanding why humbleness has good fame and ambition, pride, and arrogance are "the enemy." I am a fan of drive and ambition, but when accomplishment comes after that, I struggle to manage Ego. some titles on ego and/or the value of humbleness would be highly appreciated if you want to recommend on a comment below :) Have a great one Proffesor.
@Ayosubzero2 жыл бұрын
This short lecture is everything to me.
@samuellascar59282 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this explanation. Maybe one of the most concrete I have seen.
@flyguggenheim5 ай бұрын
Now i understand it. Thank you, i love you. Nice books!
@champgal78232 жыл бұрын
This is excellent! Grüß Gott from southern Germany.
@TomCarberry4137 ай бұрын
Peter Sellers's last movie and one of his greatest -- Being There.
@RobMacKillop19 ай бұрын
I suppose learning to live with Nothingness is not a million miles away from a Zen state of acceptance. One difference being we don’t light incense to statues of Heidegger 😂
@Marzaries2 жыл бұрын
This particular notion of anxiety seems to be at odds with three other philosophies, namely: Stoicism, Buddhism and Daoism. Stoicism would suggest that anxiety is a result of trying to control that which we cannot. Buddhism would suggest something similar, that all desire leads to suffering, and that anxiety is a form of suffering because of an attachment with a particular desire. Daoism would suggest that anxiety is a lack of harmony in the present moment, which is a result of not letting go of something. All three of these philosophies suggest that anxiety is not a result of our freedom, but our holding onto something that restricts our freedom. Hence, I wonder where this contrast between Heidegger and these other ideas goes. I'm not in full agreement with Heidegger, because I see a validity in arguing for anxiety as not being able to let go and be in the present, trying to control that which you cannot, and having attachment to desires; as opposed to seeing anxiety as being a result of our freedom.
@doylesaylor2 жыл бұрын
I think one is trying to use feelings to provide energy to do something. We ‘know’ feelings. But they are featureless. For example in the past people ascribed feelings to the heart. Which is not realistic. We can associate feelings with actions like the description flight or fight. But that leaves the structure of feelings ‘invisible’. Your point is to bring up attachments and letting go. While I find Heidegger wanting in focusing on ‘anxiety’, the problem with attachments is ‘realism’. If one ascribes it to inner peace and consciousness, balance and what have you what is the real physical attachment? In other words letting go to find peace ignores the obligation to eat and drink. These attachments define us. To be clear this need for food and water attaches us to the world and how does a featureless feeling work as an attachment? If one says suffering is alleviated by letting go, so to speak recycling after death as an example, this leaves an insurmountable issue of death and speculation about post death attachments.
@Marzaries2 жыл бұрын
@@doylesaylor I hear you Doyle. That is interesting, and I'll have to sit on that for a bit.
@iinc62902 ай бұрын
Well it was written by a literal actual nazi so that might contribute to the bizarre idea about human emotions
@robford32112 ай бұрын
@iinc6290 Does Newton theories become invalid because he was a sociopath or major poets like Vilion because they committed murder? Like is never black a white : Yes Heidegger for a time was a Nazi and anti Semite his 2 major students were Jewish philosophers on note
@JLandavega2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great content ! The explanation helped understand anxiety through a new lense.
@moism1175 Жыл бұрын
Naaaaah ,that can't be real , you are the perfect person how can explain philosophy, i am philosophy addicts and i can say you the best doing online without anyone can challenge yo
@mthompson09772 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! Thanks much for this , I really enjoy your videos .
@clumsydad7158 Жыл бұрын
excellent explanation in content and delivery
@samimreza27522 жыл бұрын
Wonderful rendition. Could you plz answer: How do you put Nietzsche between Kierkegaard and Heideggar? Thank you.
@Seeing174Ай бұрын
Is that your bookshelf in the background? looks incredible
@BillyMcBride2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dr. Anderson, for bringing light also to my reading of Much Ado about Nothing, by Shakespeare!
@gerryleb8575Ай бұрын
I would like it if you did a video on the Pre Socratics and things like figure/ground and the Anaximander fragment. Do you think that the dialectic of Hegel and the figure/ground thinking of Dasein are integrally related?
@SheelaNissiАй бұрын
Thank you professor, big fan of you from India. Is anxiety for Heidgger also constitutive of experience of wonder within ourselves? Is it that ephemeral moment of gift in our lives when the mystery of being discloses itself to us? Is it also that paradoxical experience of us not feeling home in the world, yet also feeling its immediacy in the very instant we realise our beingness in the world? Thank you, Professor!
@doylesaylor2 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with the concept of anxiety is first it is a reference to an emotion. Emotion structure preceded humans by at least the emergence of personality in some reptile species. This says then words like ‘anxiety’ are from later cognitive structures (frontal lobe?) that are not directly attached to emotion production. Secondly inside a human emotions are not the same as ‘conscious’ memories we associate with verbal memories. This confuses the issue of being as to states of consciousness compared to being itself. We might feel a trauma like PTSD, but not understand how to know by consciousness itself what to do with recurring spontaneous seeming emerging ‘terroristic’ PTSD. This renders Heidegger’s label - Anxiety - deeply confused.
@EcstaticTemporality6 ай бұрын
Question: what is the relationship or correspondence between the concept of nothingness as you described and uncertainty? It appears that uncertainty would be distinct from fear and/or anxiety, and yet be pivotal to our moods. Or, am I misapprehending uncertainty mistaking it for a derivative for anxiety and nothingness? I appreciate your video here. Thanks!
@grenvillephillips69983 ай бұрын
Ellie reminds me of the Woody Allen about dating a philosophy major, who proved to him that he didn't exist.
@lomkima59112 жыл бұрын
binging your videos and been really heplful!
@DeimosDivided2 жыл бұрын
I think Heidegger should have given more credit to his influence from Kierkegaard. There seems to be a lot of similar comments made from The Concept of Anxiety.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Much of what he describes is straight out of Kierkegaard. Planning an upcoming vid on K's view :)
@noahgrose79882 жыл бұрын
Love your channel! You make me wish I'd been a philosophy major. Do you have any videos or are you planning on making any on Marion, givenness and the saturated phenomenon? Also, I see Sources of the Self on your shelf, I'd love to hear your thoughts on Charles Taylor. Thanks for making these videos, I'm looking forward to checking out your podcast!
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! No plans for Marion at the moment, but we'll definitely keep him in mind, as well as some videos on selfhood :)
@filialpiety2 жыл бұрын
This was fun, thank you!
@paxwallace83242 жыл бұрын
It might prove interesting to note that many probably most long term meditators experience this lightness of being or cheerfulness (although not a goal) along with the disassociation or lessened identification with one's thoughts. Like "oh I have thoughts but I'm not my thoughts"
@adriansavastian8774 Жыл бұрын
Anxiety is a self reflection about your thoughts and feelings. Is a constantly change, resume to evolution. Is evolution of yourself, you can evolve in better or remain in similar shape.
@Charles3x711 ай бұрын
Thank you this was very helpful
@pipersolanas33222 жыл бұрын
you speak so clearly and precisely it's refreshing and you're clearly highly intelligent. I am happy to have discovered your channel
@bfh8916 ай бұрын
absolutely brilliant
@JoaoVitorBRgomes2 жыл бұрын
You explain things beautifully. You remember me of another youtuber Trevor Bazett. I honesly think is kind reductionist of thinking anxiety like this, but it is a interesting perspective.
@TheDavddd Жыл бұрын
This would require redefining the common day use of anxiety to match Heidegger's ideas. It would also require accepting the position that moods can reveal the Nothing and that you can use your moods and emotions to understand such a thing
@monicaalvarado11662 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very interesting explanation!
@RocketKirchner Жыл бұрын
“ Thr concept of dread is the possibility of freedom “ Kierkegaard
@SaraFruhling Жыл бұрын
How can anyone say "they are freedom" when most every person is literally a slave to their matter-of-fact fears and desires. Those are the things that determine most everyone's decisions. Going against the grain in that sense is dipping one's toes in actual freedom. Going against ego, going against "personality" is the true expression of freedom. A bit of anxiety is just your natural disposition calling you to reassess. It's a built in feature/ alarm for when you need to correct course or reboot/ update your system.
@benedictquek Жыл бұрын
I think the alarm or indicator isn't an objective measurement of real danger. It is like a broken clock which seems to work but all it does is it keeps us on our toes. It is also completely subjective and adaptable as everyone's anxiety is triggered under totally different conditions. That's just my uneducated guess.
@SaraFruhling Жыл бұрын
@@benedictquek I used to think that too but not anymore... All angst is existential bcs as david hawkins says all fears are tied to a fear of dying even the fear that nobody likes me or anything you can think of..... This means that angst should decrease with your ability to accept and be at peace with the concept of dying.... I managed to achieve that when I embraced Islam. The six pillars of faith are: The belief in God, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, The Day of Judgment and Fate whether good or bad. This combo felt like a recipe to reset to factory settings.... Read about fitra. It's the thing ego masks and tries to overcome. It's the other side of us that's fighting the dark side. It's the state of submission that you see in every other creation but man bcs man was put to the test of free choice which would require the freedom to fuqk it all up including our own fine tuning. Salam.