#267

[@darkprose]

I’m not a pilot, I don’t want to be a pilot and I’ve never even been on a helicopter-yet I find the content on this channel to be absolutely fascinating. You are doing something right when the videos you make can be enjoyed or appreciated by laypeople, students and professionals alike. Thank you. And it also gives me a newfound respect for pilots who fly them well and fly them safely. This channel shows the unique challenges of flying these kinds of aircraft.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks Joseph!

[@HeliPadUSA]

This was actually my flight school. Everyone was okay. When they landed the door was closed. Someone opened the bifold vertical hangar door. The door protruded out quite far. Sun was behind so it cast no shadow on the helicopter. Great lesson for everyone.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you for sharing!

[@FalconWing1813]

The red line brilliant idea. Cheap easy ,but extremely effective. Great job!!!!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you!

[@midwestfarmerleduc9256]

You brought back some old memories. This pilot gave me my 1st lesson in the helicopter R22. I was set in a restaurant talking to a friend about flying a helicopter the next day and a news Flash came on that helicopter crashed in the cornfield. One of the students crashed. Sex or 8 weeks later I flew in a new R22. I took one lassen with crop duster in R22. He recommended a different pilot to get the skills that I need it. Vietnam Helicopter instructor pilot. One of the greatest things I've done in my life. Head on a swivel.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank yoj for sharing your story.

[@davidmccurdy5969]

My takeoff/landing position is between 2 rows of hangars, i have a "spot" designated for guidance and clearance issues. After watching this I have decided to paint the boxed area red for better visibility. I will also check to see if there is adequate rotor clearance should the hangar door be left open inadvertently. Always willing to change my environment especially for Safety reason's.

[@HelicopterGround]

Awesome David Love hearing that!

[@katievernon4928]

You are so right about being clear and methodical!

[@HelicopterGround]

Absolutely thanks!

[@lvgeorge]

Love that Hover Pre-Take Off Check. I imagine it could Prevent many accidents going forward! Thumbs Up!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you George!

[@H2R5GSXR]

Over 2K hours in OH-6 ( Hughs 500 ) as a kid with no accidents, got shot in the shoulder and left leg though. I never flew rotary wing again until I was age 52. No accidents so far. I agree with an asphalt or line landing zone is a good idea near a hanger. I use a large oil spot where I fly now.

[@56hueycobra]

Airborne Misfit: Thank You For Your Service to Our Country in the U.S. ARMY.........JESUS is LORD

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing!

[@1986BBG]

LOACH!!!

[@andrewbello983]

I was trained to take to a hover before transitioning into flight as well to ensure every thing is in the green. The clear above was instilled into or brain as clear of all obstacles including during pre-flight. Heck here in Texas we even look to be clear of horse or a cow that may have got out of the pasture and wondered up behind us and thats not a joke! Great vids and commentary!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you Andrew!

[@torreblanca12345]

It is incredible how fast we can f@#@# everything in seconds. No matter how much experience you got....it is matters of seconds of no attention. Let's be humble all time we can cause you never now. Great taking ....start to follow you.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@daveblevins3322]

We should learn from every accident/incident what to do, or not to do. Aviation, Automotive, Rail, Shipping/Marine, etc. As a retired helicopter pilot, I've done many types of jobs requiring helicopter specific work obviously, and the one major, basic item is slow down, read that checklist, do not be intimidated by anyone to get in a hurry. Know your own personal limits as well as the aircraft's limits. Y'all have a great and happy New Year 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🦜

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks!

[@marlinweekley51]

Wow 17 years ago already! My first helio lesson was with the pilot. Really felt bad for him - great guy. Great pilot. Bad situation.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

My favorite hanger whack is the one with the Red Bull Cobra. Then its the one where the 44 hovers backwards into the hanger. The whole time I kept waiting for disaster,...but he actually makes it in. Oh well, one in a million I guess.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing Joseph!

[@HeliPadUSA]

I've never seen either of those and haven't found them.

[@lookingforwookiecopilot]

@@HeliPadUSA Here's the Cobra. kzbin.info/www/bejne/paeqdZiDZZlqZsk The other one's hard to find. It was like a facebook post (or something) from Brazil, I think, that was posted on a helicopter forum,...don't remember which one? Nevermind, found it :-) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXjLfn6KbNGKoLc

[@carloscortes5570]

Im not a pilot but i agree! Check above should be mandatory! I have seen you guys hit a bunch of tree branches, phone and power lines.Been learning a lot watching your videos.thanks

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you!

[@monkeyboy8424]

'Clear above' makes perfect sense when intending to depart vertically.

[@HelicopterGround]

Yes!

[@ron6892]

18,000 hour pilot here, looking up is important as you will eventually be talking off from confined areas , close to high tension power lines and areas with high traffic, like fire fighting….and do the hover check ….every time!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@duncandmcgrath6290]

This is why I do aircrafts structural repair for a living... but seriously, complacency is troubling....I used to work at a Sikorsky completion center and they’d fly the damn S-70 right into the hangar James Bond style .... creepy!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing!

[@gulfair-cavalry-tango1011]

Me too, Kenny. I always do a pre-take-off hover check, ... during which I also check and adjust my collective friction to just enough to keep the helicopter from sinking hands off in ground effect, check my EGT, oil pressure, oil temp, all electronics, then do three quarter turns. After the third quarter turn I check collective friction again hands off. Only then do I make a go decision. My helipad is elevated four inches with a roll up ramp for the ground handling wheels. The pad is 12'x14'. There is a safety zone marked around the pad with orange survey stakes that designates tail rotor clearance from all positions above the pad. Beyond that there's double additional safety zone. On my youtube channel there's a recent post flight walk around video.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing your Method Of Operation!

[@hugebartlett1884]

An obstruction such as a hedge or a building creates a backwash against the rotor,which causes imbalance. Control compensation is vital,to move away from the obstruction before lifting out of ground effect.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting

[@DavidGilesColorado]

Thanks a bunch I was gonna get one of these my ratings are dual engine land. IFR Have a Beech A36. I am sticking with fixed wing

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@paulg.5511]

I would also like to add when turning I like to say for example. Nose right,tail left and vise versa.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks Paul!

[@CyberSystemOverload]

Great video analysis Kenny, i remember seeing this and was so shocked when it broke the heli like a twig. The red line is a fantastic idea. So simple and effective. Just think if this airport in the video had those lines. It actually amazes me its not some kind of regulation to have a line like that!!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you AeroNevin!

[@devildogkilo]

Kenny, You talk and teach this all the time “Pre-Take Off Check”. Complacency can kill, and unfortunately we learn from other peoples mistakes. Safety Safety Safety.... There is something to being overly cautious. There is never a reason to be in hurry, ACS standards don’t change once you get your license. Thanks for educating us Kenny, keep it up!!!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you Clarence!

[@LukeHammer41]

One thing I want to add. It’s not the thing you see that gets you, it’s the thing you don’t see. Meaning, do those clearing checks thoroughly and you’ll be seeing the things that might get you.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you for the feedback.

[@MyTube4Utoo]

This channel was a quick subscribe.

[@HelicopterGround]

Awesome thanks!

[@ferebeefamily]

Thank you for the video.

[@HelicopterGround]

You're welcome

[@69adrummer]

Thanks for all you do. One question I've always had: Why do hangar doors open the way they do? Why not slide or roll up like a garage door? Thanks again.

[@HelicopterGround]

There are many different styles of hangar doors.

[@cshamm]

"Clear left, clear right, clear ALL AROUND"

[@devildogkilo]

CHAOS45 People forget we live in a 3 dimensional environment. 360 all around, I do the same in my Fixed Wing training.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@labeachgeek]

@CHAOS45 When we cross a intersection, my grandson says that, but lately he looks up and adds "No falling airplanes." 😄 No clue where it came from. 🤔

[@60viking]

And up.

[@badmonkey2222]

Back in the day i flew with my father on hundreds of occasions and he always did pre hover take off check at about 3 ft clear left, right and above, this guy just went straight up no pause or nothing,, looked right that's all i saw and that was before he left the ground, they're lucky they landed right side up I believe that's why there was really no injuries I've never been a fan of Robinson's anyway, know it's not the choppers fault just have my reasons. Thanks for the vids.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

That skinny cowling around that skinny drive shaft just doesn't inspire confidence in me. Gimmi something beefy. I worked on 53's.

[@badmonkey2222]

@@obsoleteprofessor2034 I'm with you on that one👍

[@jackshittle]

I like the guy that said "Rides over.".

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@benthurber5363]

I'm fairly certain the first item on a pre-flight checklist for an aircraft is: "This thing and is trying to kill me, what method has it devised and is hiding from me this time?"

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting Ben!

[@msmeyersmd8]

I am a retired Anesthesiologist. Sometimes we anesthetize very sick or physically traumatized people. Most of the time the patients are pretty healthy or extremely healthy. Before I began any anesthetic induction, I would have interviewed the patient, read their medical history and reviewed all of their recent labs and other testing. I would literally think to myself before doing anything, “How is this patient going to try to die on me?” Fortunately, it never happened to me in any elective procedure.

[@steveb1739]

Yup. No power check, and madness pulling into an OGE hover in such close proximity to a structure. I learned to fly in Johannesburg, where a 10,000' DA is nothing on a hot summers day. You learned very quickly about power limitations, especially in piston helicopters. The early R22's I flew only had a very crude collective / throttle correlator! Glad everyone walked away from this one.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting Pro-Pak!

[@timmorris3056]

Spacial Awareness. Check your surroundings before you even climb in. And for as much distraction there was with passengers, go even slower with procedures. If they get antsy, just have your passenger read the preflight checklist to you as you check them off, that usually makes them feel involved. Then say "Thanks man! That writing is so small I couldn't read it anyways" 🤣😁 Start the flight out with a good laugh and you've broke the ice, good to go!

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing Tim!

[@anthonyo.thector32]

"....that writing is so small I couldn't read it anyways"? Your passengers may second guess you as a pilot with bad eyesight!!😂😂

[@timmorris3056]

@@anthonyo.thector32 They all know we're just kidding. Breaks the ice.

[@trainman1209]

Pretty good.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@56hueycobra]

That's a GREAT Ideal About the RED Line Kenny About the Hangar Door and Another GREAT Video Sir..........JESUS is LORD

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks Bennie!

[@SmittySmithsonite]

How to go bankrupt in less than a minute! WOW, what a mess! Looks like if he was just a foot more to the left, he'd have completely missed the door. Looking would've probably helped as well ... 😳 Thanks for sharing, Kenny. What NOT to do is extremely important to see, IMHO. 🍻

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you Smitty!

[@onestepbeyond7240]

Do they have to notify the NTSB ?

[@HelicopterGround]

Yes.

[@upnorthyooper1196]

Maybe paint {Hangar Door closed before take off} at the red line?

[@HelicopterGround]

For our purposes at HOGS. Hangar doors must be closed before any helicopter is started.

[@tonymontalban5603]

$200.000 ? My foot ...MORE LIKE CLOSER TO 400K

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@pstreaks]

Just curious to know if insurance will cover cost of repair for such accidents like this one or does it come out of pocket to the heli owner?

[@HelicopterGround]

Depends on any one given policy.

[@hangarnut5660]

Man this gave me the chills. The camera man is lucky he didn't get whacked with debris! Welp live to see another day. I bet he ducks his head now walking through a ten foot door!

[@HelicopterGround]

I'm sure thanks for commenting!

[@NesconProductions]

Great information.. Hope to get my pilot's license one day, but not take a 'crash' course ;-D! & Subbed..

[@HelicopterGround]

thanks for commenting and don't give up on getting that pilot certificate someday.

[@NesconProductions]

@@HelicopterGround tyvm! Just would add ended up here (indirectly) following the KZbin blog of C.W. Lemoine (former US fighter pilot) who is currently getting his heli's (Robinson R22 specifically) pilots license & has to make a detour in his flight training. (see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGLQg56Nq9qKqNE ). Lesson learned from his story (& other's I've seen) is the importance of a good CFI & student relationship. Will be something I'll be keen on trying to establish (tough is fine/good - as long as the instructor is competent ;-). Best wishes.. PS - See t-shirt (Rage Against the Machine) & lyrics / choirs of 'Killing In the Name' came to mind as something I wouldn't say to my CFI :-D!

[@DaveC.5]

Getting caught up on the last couple days. Does it look like he was making a max performance over that hanger and mis judged his distance? I would never take a chance outside the envelope with passengers, he should've used a clear path for a normal take off.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback David!

[@nocalsteve]

The big issue here is that he landed too close to the hangar in the first place. Even if he hadn’t hit the door, he was still just a few feet from the hangar. He was already in a pretty dangerous position.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@NCJsport]

After seeing several of these incidents, complacent attitudes seem to be ever so apparent. In the early 90's at Wings Field in N West Philadelphia a pilot casually took off knowing a geese flock was less than approximately 50 yards above...and needless to say about 5 seconds after liftoff sucked 10 or so into the rotor vacuum instantly slamming back down the aircraft. Thankfully the aircraft most likely only suffered minor damage considering another 20 ft of elevation certainly would've destroyed the entire aircraft. Figuring those birds weight is approximately 10 lbs, that's 200+ lbs thrown into the rotor draft. I don't remember the type of aircraft however it wasn't of the Bell class, a bit smaller

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@Pork-Chopper]

A better idea would be to measure the full rotor blade length, of the longest rotor, n measure from the hangar's door protruding edge, away from, n then paint your red stripe. This way you would have more than half a rotor blade's length away from the hangar with hangar door open. Also, never takeoff in the direction of buildings. Best practice is to hover taxi to the runway, n use the runway to get your ETL, Effective Translational Lift. And yes, he totally neglected his hover check... Careless mistake

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@jointstrike2]

clear left, clear right, clear overhead

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback

[@petefelix3616]

Im not a pilot , but why does that door hang out so far

[@HelicopterGround]

It's that doors design.

[@billcallahan9303]

Any damage to the Hawker in the background?

[@HelicopterGround]

Don't know.

[@mickyday2008]

Ouch

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain]

I'm a Flight Nurse for New Jersey State Police. At all three bases, we have the same type hanger doors, and our Aviation Bureau painted 4-inch solid red lines on our ramp where no part of our AW139s can reside without being hooked to tow. Violation = Termination of ENTIRE Flight crew (NJSP PIC, NJSP Co-Pilot, Flight Nurse, Flight Paramedic), so we ALL become invested in the safety culture of our organization. All ramp video is reviewed daily by an NJSP Captain assigned as a Safety Officer Our entire crew has been involved in EVERY safety aspect ......... after the horrendous loss of life in the HEMS community in 2008. We are one of the few Helicopter Emergency Medical Services (HEMS) programs in the World that flies IFR with ATC control 24/7/365, and have had ZERO fatalities, crashes, injuries or major incidents in NJSP history dating back to our Aviation Bureau start in 1969.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback! I was flying EMS in 2008 I know exactly what that year was like!

[@AwesomeAngryBiker]

Stop bragging about yourself Mr show off expert. Video is not about you 🙄🙄

[@bindayirwin1523]

I'm no expert, but I would keep the big spinny parts away from the buildings ....

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Aboard_and_Abroad]

this is who you want as an instructor, if you so lucky. he is even wearing a RATM tshirt. imagine chips of the blades fly into the turbines on that private in the background, or kill someone. "safety has to be number one, if you want to keep playing and having fun"

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@WilliamDelorenzo-y9v]

pilots responsibility to clear the area regardless

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting

[@stopnwonow5044]

Lesson to learn: Never takeoff or land a heli near to buildings or other obstacles. It's dangerous.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@johncampbell3356]

I have flown in that helicopter. The pilots name is Charlie Ducheck. Midwest helicopters at Spirit of St Louis airport in St Charles MO. He was an asshole. He tried to blame the little boy in the left seat. Tried to blame someone else for his stupid mistake. Read the accident report.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting

[@stitch1960]

Looked like get-up-there-itis

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@vespagts7078]

No. Go read the explanation given by Heli PadUSA, above.

[@TheBeingReal]

Funny part of that video was the pilot appologizing after he wrecked it.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@islandclub69420]

baseball cap on the pilot pulled low at the front no good ..without the cap he would of seen the hanger door ....2:30..3:30 look at the cap ...this crash was all baseball cap.. SURPRISED YOU DIDENT SPOT THAT...you might want to re do this content🇦🇺🇺🇸🇦🇺🇺🇸🤘I have walked into low tree branches with low front bass ball hats .....that beek cuts of lots of sight lines just above the horizon...

[@HelicopterGround]

Thank you for sharing your opinion with us.

[@islandclub69420]

'the power of observation'...

[@JW-pz9xp]

So don't turn till you've cleared obstacles. You're welcome.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@agujaracing2950]

He went moving moving forward and never react, could be worse 🙏

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@kennyj4366]

Not to mention the liability (lawsuits) that comes with passenger's.

[@HelicopterGround]

Agreed

[@60viking]

I often think move your head around.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@paulymac5513]

...and THAT'S why you never fly by the seat of your pants, Mr. over confident hot shot pilot, never skip the check lists...EVER. If astronauts and airline pilots always use check lists then you need to also.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks Pauly!

[@felixcat9318]

The pilot was wearing a baseball cap which obstructed his upwards view. However, the aircraft was too close to the hanger doors and he failed to carry out any post take off checks. The Pilot falsely accused the kid in the front passenger seat of grabbing the cyclic and causing the accident.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@gonzo5912]

we are all human beings and we make mistakes, in other words,,, pilot error.

[@HelicopterGround]

That's right!

[@WilliamDelorenzo-y9v]

I wonder if he's sill insurable

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting

[@PInk77W1]

Pasadena Police Dept.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@cshamm]

This dude also clearly lied in his NTSB report.

[@Thatguy01984]

Do you know that to a certainty?

[@cshamm]

@@Thatguy01984 Yes sir, read the report. He clearly and obviously had a blade strike on the hangar and then tried to dismiss it. UNREAL when I read it.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for sharing

[@rodeo11]

The pilot stated that the front seat passenger accidentally bumped the cyclic causing the helicopter to drift towards the hangar. NTSB said no such drift was visible.

[@carloscortes5570]

@@rodeo11 thanks for info! If I was passenger and he blamed me I would sue him twice.one for injuries and mental shit and for falsely blaming me!!

[@annebooyse1112]

slow, smooth, methodical? ☺ just before Kobe Bryant accident.☺

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@timhallas4275]

Large spinning blade. Large spinning blade. Large spinning blade. If that's not on your mind the whole time you are in that machine, then you are a danger to everyone.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@timhallas4275]

@@HelicopterGround They should have a sign on the dashboard that reminds pilots of the LARGE SPINNING BLADE above them.

[@DiliaK69]

Chopper pilot doing this is NOT a chopper pilot. That's all. Red line is a good idea but normally should not be necessary. Simply eyes use and be... a "pilot".

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@kristiansiordia]

Pretty much try not to get complacent

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.

[@wilson42cc]

Would you not have to clear with at least 12 feet the tail of the rubber bands copter , lol 😂 it’s a wonder it didn’t explode , isn’t the tank underneath the seat on them ,,devastating in a crash they reckon ,,they crash and burn the doors won’t open ,,your burnt alive inside toasty 😂,

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@chippyjohn1]

You don't have to be intelligent to be a pilot or have any licence/degree. I don't understand people. Driving on the farm with no trees around, if I have to reverse I always look behind regardless of how many times I do it. How this could happen, that pilots licence should be revoked.

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting!

[@lordofthewoods]

As a former truck driver who "walked around" religiously, I can't imagine missing that. I mean, you know you're going "up"...

[@HelicopterGround]

Thanks for commenting.