Student Almost Destroys Aircraft, Settling with Power

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@hrbeta 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate your being mature enough to admit your shortcomings as an instructor. You have my confidence now.

@HelicopterGround 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@SkidsUpAviation 10 ай бұрын

Great video and I agree on the go arounds, they are always free!

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Go around, go around, go around, don't land downwind!

@Ben-kt5rc 9 ай бұрын

I had a vortex ring incident with a student once, I got a bit too involved discussing the radio calls with him and didn't realise the wind had shifted slightly and was no longer a simple crosswind but had a slight tailwind component. That said, I've also had a student go around from an approach that got too steep and he ended up closing the throttle at 50', that was exciting... I don't agree with saying never make a downwind approach though, not for students that are beyond private level. There are times you may have to do them commercially and it's better to learn them with an instructor than a passenger! They're perfectly safe as long as you keep the rate of descent under control. Downwind circuits are actually part of the commercial syllabus in Europe.

@HelicopterGround 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! I know there are some that teach downwind landings, that's the decision of any given pilot. My take on downwind landings came from a long time helicopter accident investigator. He stated the problem with allowing people to do downwind landings is they start to believe it's ok. So they continue to do it. Then they say well I landed with a 3 knot tailwind, a 5 knot tail wind will be ok as well. Over time they get more comfortable and decide to keep landing downwind out of convenience, and start pushing the envelope. Then eventually a downwind landing causes them to get in over their head and they crash the the helicopter. I find that pretty relevant coming from an accident investigator that travels to scenes to try and determine why a helicopter crash took place. I don't teach downwind landings. No where that I have trained or worked since 1997 has taught or expected downwind landings. Beauty of a helicopter, we don't need a runway. I can always find a way to land without having to do it downwind. If I ever felt downwind was the only way, I wouldn't land there. I have worked many commercial jobs. No operator has ever put me in a position that I had to land downwind. Thanks again for sharing.

@Ben-kt5rc 9 ай бұрын

@@HelicopterGround Interesting, although I suspect the logical conclusion of talking to an accident investigator is never to get into a helicopter again! I used to work from a very busy heliport in class D airspace. It was right on the coast and it wasn't unusual for there to be some wind shear which led to the favoured direction at the heliport being different to the runways. The controllers wouldn't generally allow an opposite direction landing (and you had to follow a specific route) so sometimes there was a tailwind component. I remember chatting to a guy when I did my Robinson safety course and he was about to start flying tours from a helipad, and buildings dictated there was one route in and out so there was always a tailwind component for either takeoff or landing. He'd never done either before! I've also found situations where I'd rather accept a small tailwind component than a tall obstacle or mixing with fixed wing traffic. You obviously have to be aware that you're doing it but there's little risk if you stick to the 30 knots/300fpm rule. Obviously with the caveat that if you're not comfortable doing it you shouldn't, especially not because some guy on the internet says it's ok!

@jasonchipkin 10 ай бұрын

Fixed wings have a similar requirement on the practical tests, but you typically have to demonstrate one go around anyway. So if your precision landing maneuver is off, consider it your go around demonstration 😊

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely!

@nickpepper4592 10 ай бұрын

As you're describing and demonstrating with the prop, I was frightened just watching. I'm happy with the outcome because sometimes you need to scare the shit out of yourself for a lesson to stick. Also, nothing was damaged, just an ego.

@HelicopterGround 9 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!

@flyingdozeroperator 10 ай бұрын

Fixed-wing pilot here for 50 years. I would love to try..

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting

@flyingdozeroperator 10 ай бұрын

@@HelicopterGround I like your style and straightforwardness.

@mattwilliams316 9 ай бұрын

I'm glad I saw this. I'm up for my ppl check ride now my instructor says I'm g2g for it but I have never landed a normal approach on the number I'm either 10 Short or 10 long I don't understand want I'm doing right or wrong. I'm going to wate till I figure it out before I take the test

@HelicopterGround 9 ай бұрын

Collective controls the angle, Cyclic controls the speed. You should be able to stop right over your intended spot! You are probably flying the end of the approach too fast! Slow it down, make the aircraft stop where you want it to stop! Thanks for sharing!

@rinoswiatek 10 ай бұрын

Landing down wind doesn’t cause vortex ring state I know you know that but landing down wind is something that they should learn because in the real world they will be put in a situation that it will be needed. They just need to know 3 things all at the same time that will get your ass Kenny I love you school I am a member private -Commercial and I’m working on my CFI great stuff keep up the good work

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting

@choppergirl 10 ай бұрын

This is what happens when you turn training of new pilots over to students who just got their license. You got to wonder what kind of insanity is that.

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting

@earthelder2065 10 ай бұрын

You got me sold, I'm going around! I fly airplanes and that is something I fly by. It is easy and safer to just go around. I am buying a helicopter and will be taking lessons. Great video! Thanks

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@Steeyuv 10 ай бұрын

I’d love those cushions!

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Get them on Amazon!

@johnhaggart9376 4 ай бұрын

Redu the way you left. The slower you go the quicker you move. Some people can't find time to do things right, but

@HelicopterGround 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@HongyaMa 10 ай бұрын

Go around, Always a good call 1. Settling with power/ Topping - DA and surface Altitude exceed the power limitations of engine - Rotor RPM droops , Lower collective. Lower power demand and go around above translational lift or best climb speed (50+kts) 2. Vortex Ring State - Aerodynamic re ingestion of Rotor tip vortexes , Fly out of it, Forward or sideways, Needs fresh air. It gets feeling sloppy in the controls, Shakes a little and the bottom falls out from under you. Don't wait for the bottom stuff. 3. Over pitching, You pull too much collective and the rotor RPM droops, easy with an R-44 , Milk that collective! I bet it was an Enstrom you had, They're built like tanks🏴‍☠

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Yep it was an Enstrom!

@MrAviator101 10 ай бұрын

If your seeking a helicopter rating get HOGS! The information Kenny has provided definetly helped me through! Started a helicopter professional pilot program in April 2019 with 0 hours and I have been flying Helicopter Air Ambulance since April of 2023.

@HelicopterGround 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!