Helicopters in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024! | Real Pilot Talks Helicopters

[@RobFisherUK]

I'm seeing a few reports from actual pilots saying many things have improved. Server issues and glitches can be fixed. People not noticing improvements are missing the subtle stuff, I agree. I think this looks really promising.

[@Belatu42]

This is what we’ve been asking for. Will it take some time to mature? Of course!

[@poochies0316]

@@RobFisherUK my jaw hit the floor I’m an old simmer from the original ‘83 version and this is just beyond words . Sedona rock formations and scenery exceeded my expectations , and I thought the Grand Canyon was phenomenal! This is on my laptop with 3080ti 16 vram 64 main ram curved screen at 3440 by 1440 graphics on ultra

[@Swole_Gecko]

I think all the hate surrounding 2024 comes from the casual gamer crowd that liked booting up 2020 just to fly a jet around their house and call it a day. They don't notice all the improvements of physics/game engine tweaks under the hood.

[@Belatu42]

@@Swole_Gecko it's buggy. People are rightfully upset...but also overreacting. This is not something new. Flight simmers who have been doing this for a while are calm. It's the less experienced crowd that is used to instant gratification that is melting down.

[@t3project]

@@Belatu42 I have the same flight control setup and have been flying in X-plane 12 with sensitivity set at 25%. I've noticed in MSFS24, controls are vastly different. Anti-torque is 10x more sensitive but cyclic is significantly delayed compared to X-plane. I fly in a 407 regularly but I have no experience in piloting. My goal is to begin lessons but I want to be proficient in the sim first. All that to say, I am having issues setting MSFS2024 controls to a very realistic setting. Any suggestions or help?

[@renefeijen5916]

Nice positive YT after the 2024 launch!

[@Belatu42]

@@renefeijen5916 Thanks! It’s not all bad

[@kosys5338]

@@Belatu42 Not all bad at all, they will get it sorted out. Your right though this community can be a tough one, they wants what they wants lol.

[@underleft]

​@@kosys5338Wanting a working game you paid $80-$200 for is a bad thing? It's perfectly reasonable to be upset.

[@dnt_alert5806]

@@kosys5338when your paying $120 for a game youd expect it to at least be playable

[@normg2242]

You know what I am super happy about? In your video I could see that the rotor blades no longer throw those irritating strobe shadows on the side pillars and the interior in general. I know, that was the closest thing to the rotor shadows they could get within the confines of a framerate-driven sim, but I think that no shadows at all is in this case better than a poor approximation. Looking forward to get the sim when the waves have settled...!

[@Belatu42]

Good point. I thought it odd at first that there isn’t any shadow above the mast housing, but you’re right. It’s better than the strobing shadow from 2020

[@ysteinRnning]

Lovely to see a video focusing on the good stuff :) I knew I could count on you for it! Now I just need to set up my brand new virpil collective and dampened rudder pedals so I can dive into some 2024 heli flying!

[@Belatu42]

@@ysteinRnning Thanks! Have fun!! Let me know how it goes

[@ysteinRnning]

@ It’s amazing! So much more vertical control 🤩

[@aavvv_]

Appreciate your input. With all the new terrain-level enhancements and improved flight dynamics I’ve already been eager to practice more with helicopters.

[@Belatu42]

@@aavvv_ Thanks! Helicopters are a blast in the new sim!

[@aavvv_]

@ Enjoying it so far! They are definitely challenging to learn. I’m glad Asobo placed more of an importance on helicopters and other types of aircraft with 2024. Lots to discover out there.

[@_pocketsand]

is there Force Trim for helis now?

[@Belatu42]

@@_pocketsand I’m still not using trim in helis with MSFS2024. A 1:1 stick without a spring or FFB is still the way to go at the moment. ‘Force’ trim isn’t simulated as it works in real helicopters

[@amaydayhaha2413]

@@Belatu42 like the way how DCS simulated the force trim, hope MSFS can do the same thing

[@regwatson2017]

Thanks for this. In a few weeks time when the obvious bugs have been fixed and the impatient "must have shiny new toy NOW" foot stamping younger ones amongst us have got in and are using and enjoying the sim, all the launch day issues will be long relegated to the back of mind - just like the grumbles and complaints from MSFS 2020 at launch. I remember using the very first flight sim on an Amiga in the 80's. It was wireframe only and one airport and I was still blown away ! Look how it has evolved. We're totally spoilt today but are too "spoilt" to realise it 🙂! I'm watching your footage and it is like looking at out of cockpit views from a real chopper !

[@Belatu42]

Thanks! The future of flight sim is looking good!

[@nielschristian]

Yeah thanks for this video. I couldn't have said it as well as you did. But innovation, risk, reward do not come for free...they are hard. Apparently real world pilots are better prepared mentally to deal with a situation were they really want to fly their new sim, but the situation says no flying today. Also thanks for the first evaluation of the R66....as a non pilot I like to listen to the opinions of professionals.

[@Belatu42]

@@nielschristian thanks! I’ve learned to enjoy the positive sandwiches that life serves up :)

[@MagnusThornberg]

I was blown away when I tried the r66. It flies so good🙏

[@Belatu42]

@@MagnusThornberg yeah, the sounds took me right back to the cockpit. I did turbine transition in the R66. The default FS24 version is as good as the Cowansim version with the sound mod

[@MagnusThornberg]

@ I was suprised when I heard the blade slap. I didn’t know that the r66 hade that. Actually sounds better then the Huey I think. I’m looking forward to more reviews from you when you tried the other helicopters. And all the missions rescue and sling missions. I tried the Eriksson sky crane in free flight and it didn’t feel good att all. The good thing was it felt very heavy compared tho the r66 so they nailed that in msfs 2024. But what do I know😄never had any experience in a real aircraft lol

[@Belatu42]

@ it felt really heavy, big and stable when I loaded it up. That’s what I expect. I’m trying to figure out how to fly it from the rear load seat…

[@vintagesimulations]

Great review of the R66 and MSFS2024 and as always great flying, you make it look easy! The R66 is sadly one of those aircraft that still hasn't appeared in my sim :/ Glad to hear that you consider the helicopter flight models to be more realistic =) Can't wait to try and fail to attempt the low-level pirouettes myself 😅

[@Belatu42]

@@vintagesimulations Thanks! I always appreciate your kind words. when everything is working the new sim is incredible! …when everything is working. They will get it sorted. I keep reminding myself how bad 2020 was at first too.

[@vintagesimulations]

@@Belatu42 I'm also confident they will get it working. It already gets better every day and even though there are still plenty of bugs it has already become obvious that it will be a massive improvement over MSFS2020 =)

[@tasercs]

I knew I could rely on you. I was hoping you would upload your valued opinions. When I saw the vid, before I watched it, I guessed that you would be honest and above all optimistic and you didn't disappoint. Others are so busy moaning that I was yet to get any useful feedback 😆 Love to hear the ground effect and the overall handling is very promising from a very early stage. Love that you consider VR to be improved too. I just need to get it to work reliably for long enough to see for myself - haven't got ot to work properly yet. Thanks for your opinions...

[@Belatu42]

@@tasercs keep at it! The connection and issues will improve. I’m already having a better time than I was on day one

[@petlemons]

I have been so confused with all the negative content surrounding the sim. Once the launch issues were resolved and I was able to get in the sim, I've been very pleased. There are some flight model issues with the Asobo planes, and some slightly annoying bugs in the career mode, but all-in-all it has been a great experience. I haven't flown any rotary wing yet, but it's good to hear that the flight model is showing improvements on that side of things. The default 3rd party fixed-wings that I've flown have been excellent so far. My only complaint is the seeming lack of friction on the Asobo planes, but that's quite minor!

[@Belatu42]

@@petlemons great! I’ve been having fun with it too!

[@canyonrunner331]

So I downloaded 2020, and now 2024. I use VR and have 200ish hours total now. I use the Apache Simulators r44 setup. The reason I go it was to learn to hover and most basic heli controls before doing my IRL license, hopefully to save time with learning to hover and keep my license close to 40hr as possible. Good idea? Suggestions on what to do/learn/practice?

[@Belatu42]

@@canyonrunner331 you’re probably not going to learn how to hover from the sim alone. It’s good, but there is nothing like the real aircraft. You will benefit the most from cockpit familiarization. If you are serious about getting your real world license, start training with an instructor first. Then re-run through the lessons on the sim. That way you aren’t learning bad habits that will cost you more time to unlearn. This is the way I did it and it saved me a lot of money by time in the aircraft. I passed my private checkride at 49 hours. Average for helicopters is 80 hours.

[@boyo1348]

I would caution against too much sim time BEFORE you know what it feels like to actually fly or you will get training scars. Sim will be great while you are doing your license to practice the next days flight ahead of time for example.

[@Belatu42]

@ I typically run through the lesson again on the sim after time in the aircraft. Or use the sim for route familiarization for cross country or new airports I haven’t been to.

[@aboriani]

@@Belatu42 I've been flying for 15 years and few years ago I fired up FS2020 just to familiarize myself with an airport I've never been to especially it's surroundings. It's amazing to think that a game can actually help in real life.

[@PhilipWe]

What do you think of the h225 flight model?

[@Belatu42]

@@PhilipWe I haven’t flown it yet, but the real thing is highly automated. I haven’t flown anything bigger than an H125 in real life.

[@odanesi8031]

I was somehow getting those yaw/roll hick-ups only with Cowan helicopters. 4:22

[@Belatu42]

@@odanesi8031 I had them with all aircraft in 2020. It’s much improved in 2024

[@RotatingBombWithADogOnIt]

What does "loaded" and "unloaded" mean for a semi-rigid rotor system?

[@Belatu42]

@@RotatingBombWithADogOnIt unloading means I took the weight of the helicopter off of the disk. Negative G’s. That leads to mast bumping in 2-blades teetering systems like the R66.

[@RotatingBombWithADogOnIt]

@@Belatu42 Thanks. I first heard about unloading and loading during a mast bump video published by the U.S Army regarding semi-rigid/two-bladed rotor systems. I still can't visualize taking the weight of the helicopter off of the disk. Does that mean you didn't apply proper collective and/or cyclic to support the flight?

[@Belatu42]

@@RotatingBombWithADogOnIt yes. That is pretty much what I did. I dropped the collective too quickly when I was on an upward trajectory. That leaves the rotor to go wherever it wants and that is never a good thing. It usually hits the tail boom. Negative G’s are bad in Robinsons.

[@RotatingBombWithADogOnIt]

@@Belatu42 Thank you for explaining.

[@USAF-AMMO-461X0]

Where is the force trim reset every time I try and bind that it doesn’t work… trying to set up a helicopter profile. I have everything bound correctly according to Mark Sim hanger ….except I can’t get any helicopter to maintain attitude. I set with my stick with force trim reset .. but it doesn’t maintain attitude …please help anyone.

[@Belatu42]

@@USAF-AMMO-461X0 I’m not sure how the trim function is working in FS24. I don’t use trim with my setup. There are so many variables in what could be going wrong. Check out my tutorial series for tips. MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F

[@tomas5577]

I don’t use trim, don’t find it’s really needed. I use the uppy-downy stick and glance at the uppy-downy dial on the dashboard. How’s that for heli speak?

[@Belatu42]

@@tomas5577 spot on! Trim is really only needed in the sim if you are using a center spring joystick. It alleviates the need to hold against the spring. If you have a 1:1 cyclic or FFB like the AB9 it’s not necessary atm since there is no force pushing on the cyclic in forward flight

[@Belatu42]

@@USAF-AMMO-461X0 check out this video from Overkill kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4ixe4Klr792r8ksi=2kV_9gZn1I7HG1S-

[@tomas5577]

@@Belatu42 since I will probably never fly a real helicopter, I don’t miss the FFB. I am using Virpil collective, Virpil cm3 with extension and alpha prime grip and Thrustmaster TPR’s with damper. Works great.

[@flightswithjoel]

Great video! Still missing the needles splitting, but hey at least it works!

[@Belatu42]

@@flightswithjoel Thanks Joel! I haven’t even tried a sprag clutch check yet. I’ll give that a go later and see what happens.

[@blimseynoeyes]

Great vid and great camera work, spent a few hours and Im honestly impressed so far 👍

[@Belatu42]

@@blimseynoeyes Thanks! I’m glad you’re having a good time with it

[@blazewhitman589]

What airport/ area is this? It looks great for flying helicopters.

[@Belatu42]

@@blazewhitman589 Y47 (New Hudson) in South East Michigan. The area around KARB (Ann Arbor) is really good as well

[@babycrappy]

would you mind doing a rundown of your settings and equipment for VR? I have a 4080super + i9 14900k with 64 gb ram and i just caaaan't for the life of my find a good spot for the settings and how to launch it best...

[@Belatu42]

@@babycrappy what headset are you using. We have a similar system, but my Varjo Aero will not run the same as a G2 or Pimax.

[@babycrappy]

@@Belatu42 Quest 3. from what ive seen online and on the forums there is a lot of different outcomes to this at the moment. seems like VR has not been polished yet. i just dont want it to come down to hours and hours of testing various settings with virtual desktop and msfs vr graphic settings, to find the best outcome. it should be much easier than this.. i have definitely spent more time fiddling with settings than flying..

[@Belatu42]

@ I know very little about the Quest 3. Have you tried the support forums? It’s working well with the Aero on the suggested settings

[@maximizeism]

How do you hold altitude? It goes all the way of nothing very very hard keeping a low altitude , but once higher with the trim no problem

[@Belatu42]

@@maximizeism I don’t understand what issue you are having. Maintaining altitude and airspeed is a balance of collective control and attitude managed with the cyclic.

[@maximizeism]

@ i just realize some helico have a trim and some not, in career mode it took me everything to fly 2 feet from the ground, a but to much sensible the control, i play on xbox also i know it bot the same then with a joystick

[@Belatu42]

@ if you are using a gamepad, keep the helicopter assists on. They are much harder to fly and take a lot of practice. There is a bug with the trim on the H125 so practice on the G2 for now. MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F

[@boyo1348]

I was a helicopter spray pilot for a couple years...if you're curious a proper spray turn is done without pedals. Here is a right turn for example. 1. finish your line and start a cyclic climb while dropping collective (keeping your speed above 30 knots) 2. continue the cyclic climb and when then helicopter begins to turn by itself pull pitch and the helicopter will spin on its axis while maintaining air speed (it will look like a drag car drifting when done right) 3. drop collective to stop the spin while keeping enough power on to stop from slamming into the ground 4. stick forward to get up to your application speed (usually around 80 knots) and use pedals and cyclic now for big corrections if you're way off. When done properly you will be right on your next line with very little corrections needed. in real life you're also advancing your line on your GPS while in the turn and making sure you boom on and off at the right times

[@Belatu42]

@@boyo1348 this is great info! Thanks! I’m still working on time building for my commercial. I’ve haven’t had a chance to learn any utility procedures yet…we have an R44 with a hook at my school though, so I’m eager to learn vertical reference

[@nothingfreeanymore]

I have a question: I flew Model helicopters all my life and consider the behavior of MSFS mind-boggling: In forward flight I have to keep the cyclic pitch pushed forward all the time - which i think is unrealistc. In reality, the collective stick input represents only the angular velocity of this helicopter axis - no matter the speed of the helicopter. So for going from hover into forward flight you push the stick slightly forward until ein angle auf let's say 15 degrees are met. Then bringing the stick back into natural Position (or else the angle increases till flipping over). With this slight angle, the helicopter then doesn't stop accelerating while the Stick stays in neutral Position. One has to add collective while ganing speed and has to even pull back a little when Topspeed Is met. Can you you explain this? Greetings

[@Belatu42]

@ I’ve only flown RC helicopters a little, so I don’t have a lot of experience with them, but in the full scale version, you have to hold the cyclic forward in cruise. The disk wants to pitch up from ETL and you have to push the cyclic against it. It also wants to roll at speed because of the disparity of the speed of the advancing/retreating blades and you have to hold cyclic against that as well. I’m not sure of the physics on why some of the same phenomena don’t affect smaller scale models. I’m sure it has something to do with mass and inertia…

[@nothingfreeanymore]

@@Belatu42 Interesting - because it's not like the helicopters hangs on a rope... But maybe in flight the forward going half circle sucks the air downwards, so that the backward half circle gets a downwind when it passes Position so has less lift?...

[@ImpendingJoker]

Some of the things that I bought in the MSFS20 market place have been brought forward already but some things have not. One of those is the Cowansim R-66 which is a fantastic aircraft in its own right, however I did move the Cowansim Bell 222B and the Taog's Hangar Bell UH-1/205A-1 from my MSFS20 community folder and both perform excellently in MSFS24. The only aircraft I moved that doesn't work is the new OH-58D from TacFlight, which is ok since it wasn't made for MSFS24 in the first place. The other two things I moved were my KTPA and KPCM sceneries from Verticalsim and both work quite well, though with KTPA there are a couple of place where grass shows through the taxi way, and the Joliet bridge textures are not showing and a couple of place there are road cones about 70ft in the air, but nothing that I can't live with for the time being and they are still both ~way better than the default airports.

[@Belatu42]

@@ImpendingJoker I have a copy of KPTK from Flightsim.to I’m going to try later. I have the CS R66 as well. He’s working on updating them

[@Belatu42]

yeah, backwards compatibility is hit or miss. Still better than I expected with the huge amount of changes.

[@ImpendingJoker]

@@Belatu42 At the time I wrote this comment I hadn't yet flown the R-66 yet but I do agree with you that it flies pretty accurately and predictably in all phases of flight however the biggest thing you missed, was that the main rotors rotate the wrong direction, and to me as a real world helicopter mechanic for over 20 years, that is simply inexcusable.

[@Belatu42]

@@ImpendingJoker it does!?! I’ll have to fire it up again tonight. If that’s the case I can’t believe I didn’t see that!

[@Belatu42]

You’re completely right! It’s modeled correctly, but spins backwards… I can’t believe I didn’t catch that. I just glanced to make sure the blades were moving during startup, but didn’t catch that it’s spinning clockwise.

[@PilatusTurbo]

Very nice. How do you map the heli throttle in FS? Or, do you let it do the auto full throttle thing it always does? Nice vid, as always

[@Belatu42]

@@PilatusTurbo thanks! The throttle should be assigned to ‘set helicopter throttle axis’ After startup though, you just leave it at max and let the governor manage throttle. Make sure the governor is on. I have found that it isn’t on by default in some helicopters.

[@fragelicious]

It's pretty good already after launch. The potencial is there.

[@Belatu42]

@@fragelicious my thoughts exactly!

[@ByronLina]

Great video - this and your Helisimer tutorials are essential for us MSFS (and DCS) rotorheads

[@Belatu42]

@@ByronLina I’m eager to see how they did with the new helicopter section of the training activities

[@ByronLina]

@ I can answer that right now - broken currently. I thought I'd give them a go (although I'm just about competent already) and the first one goes fine until you start then engine, then the script goes awry. The second asks you to look at mountains ... and doesn't move on from there. Not tried any others yet. I'm sure they will be fine eventually, but not yet.

[@Belatu42]

@@ByronLina ha! Oh no…

[@dawsonmod]

What a great video bro.. everyone needs to watch this

[@Belatu42]

@@dawsonmod Thanks!

[@poochies0316]

Hello ! I’m a msfs newbie how do I manually shutdown and start the bell 407 , I’ve tried auto shut down too and nothing , thx ☺️ maybe it’s not implemented yet ? Can’t imagine they’d make it so difficult to figure this out

[@Belatu42]

@@poochies0316 I have only taken one quick flight starting hot with the 407. There are definitely bugs in the new sim.

[@poochies0316]

@ thx figured it’s a bug too

[@archireiss]

I don't know whether i missed it, but did you test the hover? The ground effect being one of the most difficult part to model

[@Belatu42]

I haven’t done extensive ‘match the numbers’ type testing but general feel at first impression is pretty good. It hovers convincingly like a hydraulic boosted R66.

[@JasonJJasonJ]

I also had major issue yawing in MSFS2020. It was unplayable. Until I bumped up my "Off Screen Terrain pre-caching" to ULTRA. Maybe you already knew this, sorry if that is the case. I always set settings to Medium sometimes low and therefore "off screen terrain pre-caching" was also set to Medium or Low and the stutter was woeful. Then after many hours/days of frustration I tried maxing out that one setting and it immediately fixed all the yaw stuttering. I only have an older system to: (9600k,32GB, 2080ti) and I can actually run MSFS2020 in VR smoothly on Medium settings with HP-Reverb at full resolution.

[@Belatu42]

Yeah, I did the same thing in 2020. The pre-caching made a difference but didn’t eliminate it completely

[@StarskyUA]

Thanks for the vid, brother! I enjoy the new flight model so much, and by the way yesterday all of my aircraft purchased in the Marketplace got delivered - except the R22 😂

[@Belatu42]

@@StarskyUA it’s been bumpy :) but we will prevail!

[@Tomshuski350]

Do the flight controls work like a real helicopter as in it has a seperate control for the cyclic,collective and pedals? And where you using a Xbox controller or keyboard in this video

[@Belatu42]

@@Tomshuski350 and also separate throttle control, yes. I would suggest at least a HOTAS to fly helicopters. I have a Pro-Flight Trainer Puma control set on PC

[@Tomshuski350]

@ awesome thanks for the reply

[@SurftheAlps-f6c]

Hi thanks for the honest review! if you compare the flight model of the H125 between XP12 and MSFS 2024 which feels closer to the real life flight model?

[@Belatu42]

@@SurftheAlps-f6c perception is relative to realism. A lot can be made up for with immersion. XPlane has been riding the ‘Superior FM’ myth for a while. This new sim might finally put it to rest. LR should be worried.

[@dboss7239]

@@Belatu42 So you intimate that less than ideal flight model can be overcome with better eye candy? Has or will MSFS ever been certified for flight training by the FAA? I say this in response to your claim that the superior flight model of Xplane is somehow a "myth". So the FAA believes in myths? I will admit your demo video looks much better than the terrible behavior in 2020 that I have seen. I remain skeptical, but I'm open to the possibility regards accurate flight modeling by microsloth. But up until now, the comparison between Xplane and 2020 is like having a real Porsche 911 that has faded paint and some dents and scratches for Xplane, vs having a pristine fiberglass body of a 911 on top of an old VW beetle chassis. One looks great but cannot ever handle like the real Porsche chassis.

[@Belatu42]

@ I disagree with your assessment of the flight models and that is why I say ‘myth’. XPlane did have a superior fm at one point, but the gap has been closed between the major platforms and it’s really down to how a developer implements an individual aircraft. The free OH6A for DCS is hands down the best replication of how a helicopter flies that I’ve come across. That doesn’t mean the other sims aren’t good. The FAA cares more about direct hardware function when certifying Flight Training Devices. It’s never been about the flight modeling. It’s always been about the systems. I have flown certified FTD and logged time towards my ratings. The FM’s aren’t anything special.

[@dainelio]

Hi, nice review! Have you thought of flying using 2 VR headsets so you could enjoy the very same flight with someone else at the same time? I am willing it is possible..

[@Belatu42]

@@dainelio shared cockpit would be great for training. That would be cool, but it would really have to be over a network of some kind because there is no way my hardware could run two VR headsets…

[@Gulf76]

Are you using your Moza AB9 with it yet?

[@Belatu42]

Yes. Flying the Moza AB9 with telemetry feedback. There was a patch from Moza on launch day. It’s functional but needs more support

[@Gulf76]

@@Belatu42Thanks for the reply!

[@poochies0316]

Is there an option somewhere like dcs where you can select non spring centered joysticks , i flew the Bell in Sedona and I was just blown away by the graphics , but something seemed off on tail rotor axis , are you using assist on cyclic and tail rotor ? I’ll have to play with the adjustments , thx for the great video !

[@Belatu42]

No assists. I have pedals for tail rotor/rudder control. There isn’t an option like DCS for joystick spring type. Trim doesn’t work the same way in MSFS. What joystick are you using?

[@poochies0316]

@ modified saitek x45 springs removed added clamps to axis plastic bearings so stick stays put and rocker rudder axis same thing no spring stays where I move it

[@RotorReality247]

What bindings are used for the Robinson ingame? I've swapped between rudder and anti torque, I don't think msfs knows the difference maybe? Collective and throttle axis are messing with eachother for me, and propeller axis is used for power, but something is conflicting and watching my power cycle from 40% to 98% and back at an insane speed, like glitching between the two and if I adjust collective it drops to 0% then begins gltiching again as if multiple keys are bound but I'm not finding any conflicting bindings.

[@Belatu42]

@@RotorReality247 there are separate assignments for helicopter throttle, collective and cyclic. You should use the tail rotor axis assignment, not rudder. It sounds like your bindings are causing control conflicts

[@RotorReality247]

@Belatu42 yeah, I'm using tail rotor but somethings wrong with throttle and collective and propeller assignment. I don't know why, I've tried one, or two or all three on and off and I can not figure it out. It's the only helo I can't figure out. Which bindings do you have exactly and which for what. I have collective to my collective, I currently I have propeller as my throttle, because my throttle doubles as a collective but inverted, and my foot pedals to tail rotor laxis.

[@Belatu42]

@ you should have the throttle set to “set helicopter throttle axis” Collective to “collective axis” Tail rotor to “tail rotor axis” Cyclic X-axis to “set cyclic lateral axis” Cyclic y-axis to “set cyclic longitudinal axis” You should not have anything assigned to propeller axis for helicopters Edit: you should probably also have the ‘governor on’ and ‘governor off’ assigned as well. Make sure the governor is on before you lift off

[@RotorReality247]

@Belatu42 that's how I have it, but didn't have govener bound, I'll try again other wise I have a controller uncalibrated as throttle works my collective up and down and throttle inverted at the same time and conflicts my collective as a normal collective. Maybe my windows calibration on my puma is messed up 🤔

[@Hexchromerisks]

Great vid, thank you! Does trim release work?

[@Belatu42]

Trim in helicopters appears to be hit and miss at the moment. I don’t use trim with my setup

[@climbto370]

I fly VR exclusively. Flown to the CPL checkride on the G2 and my first paying passenger for a sightseeing adventure around Montreal. MSFS2024 is awesome in VR and these flights felt so immersive. I agree with you, VR performance seems improved out-of-the-box! This will become a great platform for helos payware add-ons! I flew the R22 from CS with no problems.

[@Belatu42]

@@climbto370 I took the CS 500E for a spin earlier too. Good things to come!

[@XRforall]

Could you see the mission instructions and prompts in VR? Mine dissappear when toggling vr

[@Belatu42]

@ set a button to toggle the VR toolbar so you can turn the mission steps window back on. The toolbar is a little buggy with VR atm

[@stachowi]

i've been flying MSFS 2024 in VR and been really loving it... i love the helicopters BUT i've fallen in love with the JOBY eVTOL... that is the FUTURE of aviation IMO.

[@Belatu42]

@@stachowi they have to get the redundancy for safety figured out then maybe. I prefer to autorotate

[@stachowi]

@@Belatu42 i watched a video on the aircraft... 4 separate electrical systems, 6 motors with dual redundancy inside each... you can lose multiple motors without needing to autorotate. i think autorotation will be a thing of the past with these, they don't have the moving parts... i can honestly say they're superior to helicopters in almost every way.

[@stachowi]

@@Belatu42 i used to work as an engineer for boeing Rotorcraft (chinook, v-22, comanche), so i have domain knowledge.

[@stachowi]

@@Belatu42 kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5rGk2WFo9Rje6c

[@Rmagid]

Bruh i cant even spawn in a plane without the game crashing

[@felulaval4742]

Can‘t wait to get into this in MSFS24 with a VPForce Rhino and VR. Just have to get a collective stick printed and wired up.

[@Belatu42]

@@felulaval4742 FFB is the new VR! Have fun!

[@volkerjansen3901]

100% agree with what you say. After the first evening, the new sim has actually been working quite well for me. Love the new default helicopters, will be challenging for 3rd party developers to deliver even better models.

[@Belatu42]

@@volkerjansen3901 the step up in model visual fidelity is noticeable

[@Stoffe3D]

I agree. Im 20 hours in on my helicopter licens. I fly the Robinson 44 and the R66 feels really good compared to the real life R44. I just hope they add the R66 to career mode!

[@Belatu42]

@@Stoffe3D me too! I know from HPGs discord that the H225 is coming to career. The R66 was featured in the trailers doing agricultural work. I’m hopeful :)

[@mischi9203]

from youre personal perspective, which flight model/physics feels more realistic DCS or msfs2024 and is there an upgrade from msfs2020?

[@Belatu42]

‘24 is definitely an upgrade over ‘20. It’s hard to pick a most realistic FM. The OH6A for DCS is really good. I’m also really liking the R66 in MSFS24

[@acemccloudx]

Great video! Love the area too, need to do a flight around there! Launch aside so far im really enjoying the sim and have a new GPU on the way so I can pump up my VR visuals.

[@Belatu42]

@@acemccloudx thanks! 24 has potential

[@acemccloudx]

@ yep I agree. I’m loving career mode so far, just did the PPL and building hours. Been flying in FS since FS3 and the career mode is a long overdue option. I think it even adds more longevity by making you unlock those different jobs/missions through progression (btw I think the crop spray only works on missions too, though haven’t looked into it too much yet).

[@Belatu42]

@ I think you are right. Give it time. I bet they open up things like spraying and long lining for free flight.

[@55giantsfan22]

How do you move once you start to hover? I can't figure it out

[@Belatu42]

@@55giantsfan22 you slowly push the cyclic forward to start picking up forward airspeed. Check out my beginner series from 2020. The same concepts apply. MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F

[@55giantsfan22]

Awesome thanks, ill check it out tomorrow

[@04boogie-t14]

How do you fly so stable. Everytime fly it it so unstable

[@CCitis]

Practice

[@Belatu42]

@@04boogie-t14 good controls and small smooth inputs.

[@shawnedwards5369]

I'm currently working on my rotary add-on and can attest to the better realism in the base helicopters. I use a Pro Flight Trainer - PUMA X2 B-Style mounted to a Next Level Racing Boeing commercial edition cockpit with a Butt Kicker installed. For visuals, I'm using a Quest 3. No motion yet, but I'm working on it. I was able to improve my hover between lessons using this setup with FS2020 and what I've flown in 2024 has been much more fluid and precise. I'm not getting all the stutters and such I was getting before, so my flights are WAY more enjoyable and productive.

[@Belatu42]

@@shawnedwards5369 I really feel like the realism is boosted with good peripherals

[@Belatu42]

Great! I'm glad you're having a good experience! MSFS2024 is an improvement over MSFS2020

[@Mr.Warbot]

Yes, it's actually really good, imo

[@Belatu42]

Shhh!! Don’t tell anyone!

[@Mr.Warbot]

@Belatu42 lol!

[@dasroteeichhornchen8346]

I’m sooo glad that I came across your video!! I have bought and installed MSFS 2024 but then this flood of negative reviews kept coming in so I could not get myself to even try to start the game because it would certainly end up in tears with a tweak to fly ratio above 50:1. But obviously it is really good fun “out of the box”. So thanks a ton for the reality check! What really surprises me is that you say the VR experience is good. There are quite a few tests out there showing that VR performance is substantially worse than MSFS 2020 (on a 4090 system). I understand that you use a Varjo Aero, same here. Would you mind sharing your settings? That would be awesome!

[@Belatu42]

Sounds like I need to do a quick settings video. I have had quite a few people ask the same question. Look into Process Lasso to improve overall pc performance. My VR graphics settings are basically the ‘high end’ preset.

[@ankitbhandari8752]

Msfs2024 with bugs is 5x better than 2020

[@Belatu42]

@ankitbhandari8752 agreed

[@JesterMax24]

Has there ever been a helicopter flight model you didn't like?

[@Belatu42]

@@JesterMax24 yes. Several. Mscenery is crap. I don’t like what they’ve done with the NDDG S300. The default 407 is over simplified and I don’t like the lag in the FlyInside birds. So far, the new default MSFS24 helis are pretty good. I’m looking forward to what Taog and Cowansim are going to deliver.

[@JesterMax24]

@Belatu42 interesting. I would describe the Flyinside Bell 47 the same way...laggy. I'd be interested in hearing your take on the new H125. I don't have msfs24 yet myself.

[@Belatu42]

@@JesterMax24 I like the way the new H125 flies. Feels very similar to the Cowansim version from 2020 but you can feel the refined base FM.

[@Blueesteel_]

Is it good? Right now no… they have months of patches updates and fixing to do.

[@Belatu42]

I don’t know. Aside from the initial launch snafu I keep having good experiences with it

[@indyjons321]

Of all the helicopters, I think the R66 has the most accurate flight model. The others do not feel nearly as real.

[@Belatu42]

It feels really representative of the real thing to me. I need to spend more time in the others

[@rasteek]

assists off or on?

[@Belatu42]

@@rasteek assists off with 1:1 linear and FFB controls

[@rasteek]

@@Belatu42 thanks :) im just tryin, really hard, with G2 and i know with springloaded sidestick its hell :)

[@Belatu42]

@ start with assists on and turn them off as you progress. MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F Set up rotor trim if you’re using a center spring joystick.

[@gizmo104drives7]

does the spray bar not function?

[@gizmo104drives7]

ok you answered in the video already

[@Belatu42]

Not in free flight so far…

[@Belatu42]

It does work! you just need to load the spray tank from the EFB

[@martinpilat2254]

U flying with just stick and Z axis and no assists?? :O How do you handle all that?

[@Belatu42]

@@martinpilat2254 I fly with a pro-flight-trainer.com/ Puma. Full control set with a collective and pedals. No assists. That’s what flying helicopters is all about :)

[@jonathonanderson8004]

Maybe you have this, but I’m enjoying helicopters in the Sim in VR with honeycomb controls. I need to find tutorials on the appropriate way to fly, but especially on quick stops that you would expect from a night stalker

[@Belatu42]

Quick stops are on my list to make a lesson for! MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F

[@murdoch9106]

I have been blown away with the helicopters in this one, I refused to buy any more helicopers in 2020 because they all were terrible because the sim simply could not do it, you had to go with the one developer with its own external FM, and they where great... not even HPG managed to get their helicopters to behave and feel good. But now in 2024 really feels proper...smooth fluid inputs and you dont feel like things are fighting you or not responding, it does what you expect... I had some issues with headtracking and what not but the helicopters them selfs was great. R66 just sounds so good, worth if for that alone, that blade slap is amazing! H125 is really nice as well, and this is just the beginning, cant wait till H145 and H160 and all that get set up for this new sim properly... and all the Cowansim models and the Aoulette III, Llama and all that... exciting times! Lots of us in DCS who have tried this said... this is as good as the best helicopters in DCS or atleast very close... I was so mad that helicopters was an after thought in 2020... so this is nice.

[@Belatu42]

It’s definitely an improvement

[@dudeinthesea]

Ran into your channel by accident. great insights! quick question, do you use Moza AB9's forcefeedback for this R66? Ive been in a heli before but never flown one, so im trying to wrap my head around how FFB work with GA helicopter.

[@Belatu42]

@@dudeinthesea yes, I’m running an AB9 at the moment. You can’t do much with the profiles in MSFS24 atm, but it’s okay out of the box with the last Moza Cockpit update. It feels fine, similar to the real thing. There’s some hints you get about what’s happening in the sim with telemetry FFB that aren’t there in the real thing. But the overall heavy feel of the hydraulic controls is pretty good

[@CCitis]

Visually, that opening sequence looks real!

[@Belatu42]

@@CCitis thanks!

[@simpo5958]

The R66 is excellent, the only official helicopter in the game so far with proper rotor sound effects representing blade slapping and RPM

[@Belatu42]

@@simpo5958 and ground reflection when picking up. I thought the sounds on the H125 were pretty good too

[@simpo5958]

@Belatu42 it's not bad but it's got that basic Asobo quality, the rotor effects are linear and always playing in the background sometimes louder based on your acceleration but don't really represent your RPM or flight conditions. Flying the R66 you can actually hear your rotor RPM and the difference in pitch during sharp maneuvers. i guess it's nitpicking but those small details really help with immersion and can really enhance your awareness flying a virtual helicopter

[@Belatu42]

@@simpo5958 I’ve only flown the H125 once so far. I’ll pay more attention, but the real thing doesn’t have a ton of engine note variation. The FADEC management is really good. I thought the rotor flutter was pretty spot on.

[@KoelJ]

I like it too, unfortunately it seems like the H-125 cannot trim , buttons don't work but other than that really loving heli's, my Vr is also really smooth for a mid range older Pc. Looks amazing!

[@Belatu42]

@@KoelJ the VR performance improvement is a big deal!

[@AlexKowalski-ci6im]

Thank you for giving me hope regarding this new sim. My main attraction is helicopter flying (I've finished my heli home cockpit recently); and I was hoping for decent flight dynamics in the 2024 rendition; but I still have not purchased MSFS2024 because of obvious reasons 😉.

[@Belatu42]

@@AlexKowalski-ci6im it’s still a bit buggy, but it’s starting to become really good!

[@fragelicious]

Awesome review.

[@Belatu42]

@@fragelicious Thanks!

[@criscusack]

I kind of love how it looks like the helo is being piloted by an Asian woman by sheer force of will.

[@Belatu42]

I’m digging the new walk around and character features. I’d hang out with her and swap pilot stories.

[@walley2637]

i found the same experience. it was easier to find smooth settings in VR and i could feel the differences in how the aircraft handled in both heli and planes. I have a stupid-fast fiberoptic connection which i think also helps.

[@Belatu42]

@@walley2637 fast internet is a must. I have a really fast fiber optic connection and I’m still having hiccups

[@outdoorsdelmarva5691]

well done!!

[@Belatu42]

Thanks!

[@climbto370]

I know we have agricultural missions with the sim but are we able to launch in free flight with the R66 and use the spray kit?

[@Belatu42]

@@climbto370 it’s still unknown at this point. I couldn’t get it to spray in free flight but I didn’t spend that much time trying

[@TheFxdstudios]

Try the oil rig landing challenge, the heli feels good until you get over the platform and it feels like a kick.

[@Belatu42]

There is still oddness with inflow around object models. But this is also the case in real helicopter flying. Come down on the landing spot from above, not across the edge of the platform.

[@TheFxdstudios]

@@Belatu42 I did that and still felt odd when I landed. I’ll have to try it again today.

[@swailesy1990]

I’m really struggling to get to grips with helicopters on this game planes I can do no problem but heli’s oh boy

[@Belatu42]

@@swailesy1990 try this link to some beginner tutorials I have from 2020. Same principles apply. MSFS2020 Helicopter Tutorials for Beginners | How to Helisim kzbin.info/aero/PL7yKmv0KsAo1RwSX8kOJfFAQwL1nwA0_F

[@baomao7243]

I used to run HPC sims (read: supercomputing). HPC users are nearly all what i would call power users and are EXTREMELY demanding of hardware/software suppliers. The flight sim community feels almost the same - massively demanding - except usually by people w/o a Ph.D. Makes me laugh when i realize we all think we are different … but we are all generally very much the same. Have fun !

[@Belatu42]

@@baomao7243 exactly ;)

[@rdablock]

better than XP?

[@Belatu42]

I don’t compare the top sims. DCS, XP12, P3D and MSFS24 are all in my roster. They all do some things better than the other, and they are all great…but LR should be concerned

[@MSFSFlightPlans]

Thank you for posting this, B42. I was wanting to get your take on the helis since I don't know enough about how they should "feel" to make any kind of assessment on that front. And, man, that area really does look amazing!

[@Belatu42]

@@MSFSFlightPlans thanks Nick! Every area I’ve spawned into for free flight so far has been just as satisfying! You’re going to have your work cut out for you :)

[@topofthegreen]

it’s great if you are lucky enough to get into the game.

[@Belatu42]

Keep at it! The connection issues will get worked out. 2020 was a mess at first too

[@FilipeKeglerr]

I still can’t understand why they don’t emphasize the helicopters’ touch on the ground and their weight being cushioned by the skates as we lower the collective, this physics is practically non-existent and there are only non-physical wing aircraft, it’s unfortunate.

[@Belatu42]

The Cabri G2 does this better than the R66 and H125. As with everything in flightsims, it depends on the effort that the devs put into the individual aircraft. XP12 does this really well for a sim. The OH6A for DCS does it the best.

[@Helicopterx1]

Nice, always great videos, thanks

[@Belatu42]

@@Helicopterx1 thanks!

[@EstTide]

being cloud base means we have to rely on their servers and what if they wanna shut down servers in 10 years we don't have that problem with 2020

[@Belatu42]

Yes and no. You can store it locally, but you still have to get it in the first place. 10 years from now there should be better tech and we wouldn’t want to be on 2020s servers

[@EstTide]

@ you cannot store locally on xbox everything is streamed which means Internet is a must unlike 2020 and you'd be surprised how many people would still be on the servers in 10 years

[@sky173]

Nice video. I live near Y47. I did some drone work in the area, always paranoid of aircraft that may fly by, lol. I just wished they would have allowed us to download just the core files for off-line flying. Regardless, great video. Thanks for sharing.

[@Belatu42]

@@sky173 isn’t that what the rolling cache allows? I haven’t run into any connection issues since the first day

[@sky173]

@@Belatu42 Rolling cache is good for flying in specific areas regularly. I fly around the USA constantly, so it doesn't do any good to have cache turned on because the information that is being stored would be constantly over-written, just adding wear and tear to your storage.

[@Charlie1776_]

Is it realistic on xbox?

[@Belatu42]

@@Charlie1776_ it’s the same flight model. Depends on your control setup. It’s more realistic with a HOTAS than a gamepad

[@freewheelinflash]

Thanks so much for your video, very informative and much appreciated I have no previous flight experience (sim or real ) but I am about to buy a motion platform ( P6 DoF reality flight) and Microsoft flight simulator 2024 . I know it may look a little ridiculous to begin with higher end products but from my car racing Sim experience, I know , I will just "waste " $$$ by getting lower end equipment and working up to the better stuff anyway 🤔🤭. I have all my life wanted to fly a helicopter and I know I am going to spend many, many hours in the cockpit ( and that will probably be just learning to hover 🥵😋😁 ) . I am just curious ( as a pilot and my newest friend 🙏🤭) what joystick you would recommend between The Pro Flight Trainer PUMA X ( AU$2300 ) and the Moza AB9 FFB Force Feedback Base coupled with the MH16 Flightstick ( AU $1300) . Your opinion matters, just on your experience alone, even if you have not used either controller .

[@Belatu42]

@@freewheelinflash thanks for the positive feedback! I wholeheartedly stand behind the the Pro-flight Trainer Puma X. I’ve been running a PFT product since 2015. Great support and value for the money. I also run a Moza AB9 and I love the FFB element in the sim. If you don’t mind hiccups that come with early adoption, it’s great. If you want polish, though, it’s not there yet.

[@freewheelinflash]

​@@Belatu42thank you for convincing me 👍 Much appreciated

[@tomdchi12]

Earlier today I watched KZbinr Kip on the Ground trying to land on an oil rig. Every time he would get close to the landing platform he'd get kicked off to the side in one way or another pretty violently. It seemed to be some kind of ground effect, but to an extreme degree. I don't fly helicopters but it seemed unrealistically intense.

[@Belatu42]

@@tomdchi12 I’ll look up his video but I’m not experiencing the same issue if you approach the pad from above

[@tomdchi12]

@@Belatu42 He's upfront that he doesn't know much about helicopters so his approach to the rig platform might be too shallow. The stream/video is "Release Day Plus 3" and starts at around 4 hours and 50 minutes in. He tries multiple times and each time gets kicked around when he's low to the platform. Might be exaggerating a real ground effect?

[@Belatu42]

there is a definite issue with inflow around raised objects. Trees, buildings, platforms... Instead of coming on gradual and pushing you back/away like it does in real life, it's adding all of the ground effect at once when the center of the helicopter cross the edge of whatever model.

[@siza5557]

Helicopters definitely became better but trim is awful right now. Especially hard to fly H125

[@Belatu42]

@@siza5557 what controller are you using? I am not currently using trim for helicopters

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

Thing that shits me ontop of everything else is how when you look doen st yourself, your a ghost....Like whats the point of even havjng a character if your 100% invisvile in the cockpit ffs.

[@Belatu42]

@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi this has always been something to discuss. Some people really like having a pilot avatar body in cockpit, some don’t. It can be distracting if done wrong and sometimes get in the way of seeing instruments unrealistically

[@Dimebonics04]

Subscribed because of your positive attitude.

[@Belatu42]

@@Dimebonics04 thanks!!

[@SomethingElseToo]

Just about every video that has come out, seems to focus on the negative. I'm so glad to hear hear your video because there is a lot to look forward to. I keep finding little nuggets that are so easily overshadowed, some big such as worldwide Lido charts, others small such as cows laying in the field next to the runway. Oh yeah, and that terrain, wow.

[@Belatu42]

@@SomethingElseToo Thanks! that’s great! I haven’t found any wildlife yet! I’m just starting to figure out when the sim will give me dust clouds vs. when it will give me grass that shimmies from the rotor wash. It’s just beginning

[@kosys5338]

I 100% agree with your take on it, I also think it's a good step in the right direction. Yes the launch was a rough one but I have seen many a rough launches, GPU's were crazy at one point. With that said though it looks like The team at MSFS have been working hard at cleaning things up, it is what it is. I have had a chance to fly in the sim and yes your right about how the physics feel, I can feel it too and yes it looks so much more real out the cockpit window. I too am a real world pilot and first thing I thought was, now that is how it looks when I go flying. The sim looks great, now we just got to give them some time to start cleaning it up. Change always takes some getting use too, I'm just glad there is someone out there trying to give us a better sim in the first place. Microsoft brought new life back into this genre, so we need to cut them a little slack because we had nothing for a long time for those old enough to remember. Give it a chance people, you may be glad you did. It will get better and better just like the old sim did. Take a deep breath everybody lol. Cheers!

[@Belatu42]

@@kosys5338 yep! We have to start somewhere

[@theshazman]

I just can't stop it from crashing in VR. That's the most infuriating part.

[@Belatu42]

@@theshazman stability should improve. Did you go to the support forum to discuss what you are seeing?

[@KrispyNuggetBoutique]

I am glad it is good, but also sad because that means I would instantly die trying to fly a helicopter.

[@Belatu42]

When you learn in the real thing your instructor saves your life constantly...

[@qwerty85620]

dude turn off all assist

[@Belatu42]

@@qwerty85620 all assists off ;) good call though. They are on again by default so don’t forget to check.

[@Dimebonics04]

Great video. I’m willing to bet you know what it’s like to wait a very long time to for a game or console to come out, that had 1 or 2 buttons and a D pad. I spent 2 days reprogramming controls that kept getting deleted or corrupted, but I loved every minute of it. Because I’m old enough to know how unbelievably Awesome this game is.

[@Belatu42]

@@Dimebonics04 true. I can’t believe what we actually have now in home sims.

[@Kiwi_Dave]

Graphics are great, but helicopters for desktop sims are still very basic.

[@Belatu42]

@@Kiwi_Dave have you tried it yourself with a good control setup? It’s come a long way

[@Belatu42]

@@fluxahelmi DCS is good. The OH6A is one of the best representations of heli flight you can get! XP12 is good too. MSFS2024 has more to offer in realism than you might expect. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaepg3iBja12gposi=YhEI98OQFHPy-v3s

[@Kiwi_Dave]

@@Belatu42 Yes, two years ago fully enclosed sim of BK-117 running MSFS - I have PPL-H with 300 hours mostly H300 and H500 time.

[@Belatu42]

@@Kiwi_Dave even 2020 has improved a lot for helicopters in the last 2 years. 2024 is even more in depth when it comes to flight modeling. Give it another shot. It might surprise you

[@badenbr1]

Thanks for the vid and your thoughts which coming from a real world perspective are very encouraging. I have subbed and look forward to more of your content in future. I do have a couple of queries on the control systems. Number one issue is that I have not been able to get any trimming function working in the R66 but it looks like you have so I would appreciate knowing what you are using for trim. Along the same lines the Trim Reset function also does not work for me either. In regards to the throttle I find that when I pull collective the throttle grip is moving as well which is weird because I don't have anything bound to the throttle control for the R66. I expect that the throttle is set to 100% and then it would not move again until shutdown. If you or anyone else has thoughts on these issues I would certainly love to hear them. Thanks and keep up the good work Buddy

[@Belatu42]

@@badenbr1 I’m using a Moza AB9 1:1 FFB joystick. I’m not using trim at all in the sim. I would recommend a Pro-Flight Trainer Puma X. For the throttle, that movement is normal. The real thing is directly connected to the governor by an electric actuator. It moves in your hand as the governor adjusts the throttle based on torque requirements. Spool up to full throttle turn on the governor and forget about it ;)

[@badenbr1]

@@Belatu42 Thanks for the feedback, I actually use the TM Warthog stick and throttle quadrant which has been good for me over the years primarily flying helicopters in DCS and to a much less degree in MSFS. Hope that one day the flight models MSFS achieve the same level of refinement as the DCS modules but I suspect it may be a long time coming. Thanks also for explaining the way the Robinson throttle works which now makes a bit more sense. I have submitted a ticket to the MSFS support forum regarding the trim problem and hopefully they will be able to shed some light on that because flying without functioning trim for me is a little tedious. Heading off to check out some more of your vids..

[@Belatu42]

@@badenbr1 do you have the spring removed and use an extension for helicopters with the TH Warthog? That would be close to a 1:1 throw and you really wouldn’t need trim. In the real thing trim alleviates the force pushing against you, it doesn’t move the stick back to the center. That’s a purely sim thing. I put the FMs of the top 3 on par with my real world experience. DCS, XP12 and now MSFS24

[@badenbr1]

@@Belatu42 I replaced the stock spring with a lighter after market option and have no extension which I have used for years and suits me. It had been fine for the DCS modules I fly which are primarily the Gazelle, Kiowa, Apache and Huey. I use the trim set feature in those aircraft to set the cyclic and sometimes anti torque to a comfortable position depending on the flight regime I am in at the time and it certainly makes it easier. I found that rotor trim does work in other MSFS choppers and have been spending a bit of time in the Bell 407 but hopefully at some time in the not too distant future they will sort out the Squirrel at which point I will jump back in. Nice to hear that all the noted titles give a reasonable approximation of real world flight. Thanks

[@Belatu42]

@@badenbr1 yeah, they need to do a round of bug smashing for sure. Thanks for the positive feedback and good chat!

[@lukeorlando4814]

Msfs24 is super realistic! You wait hours and hours and wait for hours and then it cancels your flight and you go to bed having never gotten past the loading screen. I’ve yet to fly. So glad I got it on game pass and didn’t pay for this BS

[@Belatu42]

Sorry it’s not working for you…I haven’t had connection issues since the first day and it’s been great! I have pretty good internet though

[@ankitbhandari8752]

I’m sorry msfs2024 has convinced me, goodbye xplane 😢

[@Belatu42]

@@ankitbhandari8752 MSFS2024 is really good!

[@gpayne12100]

5 days, hundreds of tries now getting a refund is just as difficult

[@Belatu42]

@@gpayne12100 sorry is going so badly for you. It will improve. 2020 was pretty rough at the beginning too

[@gpayne12100]

@ yes that was rough too lol

[@gpayne12100]

@@Belatu42 it was if you have over 32 cores the game won’t load, I’m in now. On steam a thread about ctd at 90% explaining it

[@CaptainHelisim]

Thanks for the review. Don't know what to think -- reviews and subjective experiences are all over the place. Sounds like if it works, it's awesome, but many if not most can't get it to work very well if at all.

[@Belatu42]

@@CaptainHelisim yeah, it’s a struggle for early adopters…I almost have the CS 500E working! It’s worth it just for the moving grass!

[@CaptainHelisim]

@@Belatu42 Oooh, I've been calling for that for awhile, glad they put that in! Tell me about the suspension -- do they have that modeled? => kzbin.info/www/bejne/jajJn4CQpNBqi6M

[@Belatu42]

The Cowansim 500E had suspension animation in 2020, I haven't checked it in '24 yet. The free OH6A mod by Tobsen and Eightball for DCS does it the best though. Probably the best simulated helicopter out there at the moment.

[@CaptainHelisim]

@@Belatu42 I went to try it out again after seeing your comment. Hm, IDK. Feels real slippery to me, like trying to take off from a lake of ice. Didn't really feel the suspension either. And feels SUPER wobbly to me too, much more so than the real thing. The real thing is very sensitive but not particularly wobbly. So overall I can't say I'm a huge fan of this model. Got the Buttkicker by the way -- I concur with your assessment -- it's fantastic!

[@Belatu42]

Did you test the Cowansim 500E or the DCS OH6A? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaepg3iBja12gpo

[@stevoone342]

Good vid. But personally having a terrible time with it still haven’t been able to fly in 2024. Day 3 off running the gauntlet of 97% bug, then if i get to the menu everything seems ok till you click fly know and just loads things in and out, I’ve left it doing this a far few times over an hour. This is on a top notch system with over 1000mbs fibre connection. To myself it’s been a massive failure and makes 2020 look 100%stable / reliable in comparison. I hope it improves but definitely showing the serious issues of a streamed service. I have zero clue why they don’t give an option to pre download the part / world for those who can or don’t mind a slower load in. Also the fact offline its not usable?, I struggle to sympathise with msf they should of sorted the servers due they should of been aware of the demand from pre orders alone and the fact they should of been aware of how critical the servers are. It seems like one part of the community seem to be using it ok, the others having massive issues, its day 3 and still effectively not working personally my patience is running thin. I’d rate this as not ready for release. Don’t get me wrong i was fully expecting issues on day one. But for a AAA rated title its shocking if this carry’s on to day 7 i will demand a refund a return to x-plane and 2020. To myself this is a product still in Alpha or Bata stage. I think also if they stagerd the release over a week to gradually build and stress the servers that may of improved it a bit.

[@Belatu42]

@@stevoone342 sucks you’re having such a hard time with it. Hopefully it improves for you because when it’s working it’s brilliant!

[@VipiModel-nk3ce]

Much better helicopters in fs2020…in fs2024 helicopters are a nightmare..no way to trim cyclic and horrible to fly..will keep fs2020 and DCS (i am a real comercial helicopter pilot with almost 3000 flying hours and have flown 3 helicopter types, actually H135 and i have to say fs2024 is horrible, much easier to fly the real one, if you are looking for a realistic one..keep fs2020 and DCS, regards!

[@Belatu42]

@@VipiModel-nk3ce they’re improving, but a couple of major bugs are causing issues. You can trim the R66 and G2, but not the H125. Have you tried the OH6A for DCS? It’s currently my favorite heli in any sim!

[@jettlethedragonpeeltheoran8915]

You don't need the pointless background music.

[@Belatu42]

@@jettlethedragonpeeltheoran8915 thanks for the feedback! It all depends on the mood I’m in when editing

[@MaloIsTheGoat]

Nah msfs 2020 is just better

[@Belatu42]

@@MaloIsTheGoat okay. To each thier own