Helinox Chair Zero - Still The Best?

[@WakeUpMatt]

I’ve got a couple apple bananas waiting for you when you visit again🤙🏼

[@DanBecker]

Soon!!!

[@TylerCampbellOutdoors]

Heading to Maui later this year. Really looking forward to it

[@shawnr6117]

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[@GustoStCool]

@@DanBecker Is the contest win below valid?????

[@boopernator]

@@GustoStCool nope, it was some sort of scam. And that reply disappeared along with the KZbin channel associated with the reply. Too bad I was sort of excited that I might have actually won something.

[@77Brainfreeze]

One thing you can do with the chair is put your whole backpack on it and then wrap your rain cover around the bag and chair. It keeps your pack off the ground in the rain.

[@MFcoowaid-VODS]

Yes amazing idea!

[@normacasto8370]

Best idea 👍👍

[@amythinks]

Why is this the first time this fabulous idea has been mentioned? You know how many dang videos I've watched? Go start a channel!

[@pedroclaro7822]

Dude… Woah!!

[@SophisticatedDogCat]

Or just put it under your vestibule…

[@adamwinn2588]

To prevent this type of chair from sinking, I bought silicone coasters to put under each foot. I store them in a ziplock sandwich bag that I keep in the chair bag. They work like a charm to minimize the legs sinking into mud/sand/soft dirt. They weigh next to nothing, are cheap, they keep your char “feet” clean, and the ziplock bags keeps your chair clean.

[@rjflippo]

Stripping bark from a dead tree is a great solution to save one room in a pack.

[@aaronfuentes5919]

chair sinkage is a blessing. use a controlled sink for nice recline action, & find a footrest.

[@pedroclaro7822]

I heard of a guy who uses the bottom of pop cans, and since I tried it I like nothing else.

[@TangoOscarMikeN3WS]

The legs sinking into the ground is why I went with the Helinox Ground Chair. 5 ounces heavier, doesn't sink into the ground, but it is lower to the ground and not as easy to get in and out of. Because it sits so low you can use it inside some tents, which is handy if you are waiting out a storm and tired of laying down.

[@markw365]

I went with the Big Agnes over the Helinox as the big agnes didn't use plastic joints, I felt long term that would be the way to go. Love a lot of your pointers on your channel.

[@matthewrisley9070]

One of The reasons why the helinox is so successful , is they have a patent on the horizontal bar. Other companies use the other version. Until that patent runs out or a new design comes out, they'll be king. The REI style is just so heavy because of the material and durability needed

[@phobos258]

Zero is ridiculously lightweight. But I got the chair two for the head support and will happily carry the extra weight to be able to fully relax at the end of the day.

[@JeffShervey]

A good addition to the Helinox chair is Helinox Ball feet Vibram set (4). So chair feet wont sink into mud, sand...soft ground.

[@rjflippo]

I just strip bark off of a dead tree to accomplish this.

[@Wesmaster]

I use a Helinox Ground Chair so I can still sit on the chair while inside my tent. I also found the Ground Chair to be more comfortable as a seat than the Chair Zero.

[@andwarp]

Thanks for representing the proper system of measurement, Matt. Great vids.

[@DariusFLX]

Seniors may benefit from this tip. The Ground Zero puts your knees well above your hips, making it difficult to get out of. My technique is (1) turn and straddle a corner of the chair by putting one leg over the side, (2) get your heels under your butt, (3) use the non-straddled corner and the back top corner on the side your leg went over as hand-holds, (4) lift your butt up and (5) straighten your legs. Try it at home to see how it works, and listen to your body to avoid hurting yourself. We've owned our two for several years now.

[@DariusFLX]

@Dan Becker is this you?

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

I love mine. It’s definitely a good luxury to have while on the trail

[@troop134ashlandmo]

As a big guy I have destroyed many chairs.. the zero held its own for a bit but succumbed. I am now rocking a Big Agnes & it is a tank, not much more weight & a high back to boot - best part = no pastic to destroy.

[@BeedeeEx]

I have and love my chair zero. One alternative that I've found is more comfortable is the Big Agnes Skyline UL chair. It is a bit more expensive and also weighs about 9 or 10 ounces more, but it sits far higher. This make is MUCH easier to stand up when your quads are done. My dad got this one and it makes me a bit jealous when he sets it up at camp.

[@rebekkahmartin9426]

My husband has the zero and I have the skyline. The skyline is faaaarrrr more comfortable.

[@Paulskit]

@@rebekkahmartin9426 It's not a big problem to find a chair more comfortable than helinox zero. But all of them are heavier which defeats the purpose.

[@aaronfuentes5919]

​​@@Paulskit 'get out gear' trek chair is 1.4lb highback chair. it's a winner in my book... high back or NOTHING!

[@Michaellock32]

@@aaronfuentes5919 try 2.4 lbs. Sounded good though

[@aaronfuentes5919]

@@Michaellock32 walking poles are 1.1lb & the chair portion is 1.4. & I think the back might be slightly taller than the chair zero highback. You're correct, but I think it still may be as light as chair zero highback& walking poles.

[@dylanphillips4554]

I tested the Helinox and REI Flexlite Air in store for hours and ended up getting the REI chair. It is UNDER a pound - not over - with its stuff sack, cost HALF the price ($60), and is noticeably more comfortable and stable. The Helinox is definitely made of slightly higher quality materials but the REI one feels durable enough. I've used it for weeks as a regular chair in my room; it's that good. Highly recommend!

[@EvanK2EJT]

Agreed. I ended up doing the exact same thing and coming to the same conclusion as you did.

[@ja2ui0]

Adding my voice to the chorus. I think the helinox is marginally better, but not for the price. The flexlite air is excellent and meets the price to performance criteria for me hands down.

[@jonhunt8270]

I got two. For less than 1 the Helinox

[@loreng.tindall1151]

Just for the record the actual price on the REI site as of 08/03/22 is $100... it was on special for REI members for a short time in July, I think. Still, a good chair and $30 less than the Helinox. I love mine.

[@ja2ui0]

@@loreng.tindall1151 I got mine for $50 in July, and at that price, it's a steal.

[@tomswagger9140]

Emit’s editing is BUSSIN BUSSIN👌😎🔥

[@adamholt6898]

Just bought 2 of the REI chairs because they were 50% off. For $50 totally worth it!

[@CyclingMikey]

It's a great chair. I rode the length of the Rhine this spring on a bicycle camping tour, 1,000 miles, and I'm very happy I took my Helinox chair.

[@davemi3213]

You are blessed to be able to travel to such places do it as long as you can

[@karenpolansky9097]

With all of your excellent advice I successfully completed my first solo backpacking trip. My Bryce tent held up great in the wind, thunderstorm and brief hail. I schlepped my MEC (like REI) chair which is 2.5 lbs. I was glad to have it, but I ordered the zero chair when I got home. Of course it’s more expensive here in Canada, but totally worth it as far as I’m concerned. So I’m glad you didn’t say there is something better. I’m also going to carry less water to reduce more weight. Again thanks for your honest advice and reviews.

[@debbilermond1553]

I absolutely LOVE my Chair Zero too! Well worth the price to get the weight down in my pack and actually have a back rest! I know some people like to be higher off the ground but I like being low enough to stretch my legs out like a chaise lounge. It's not for everybody but it sure is the best for some of us, right? 😉

[@liamendresen]

I was always against taking a chair when backpacking, but then REI had a sale and I got a Flexlight Air camp chair for 50$. Needless to say I bring it everywhere now haha. So worth the extra pound. I’d love a Helinox Chair but they are super pricey.

[@ClimbingEasy]

I have the REI 1lb chair. Bought it on sale and with dividends; 70 bucks. I swear by it. I also have the 3lb knock off for around 30 bucks. Same design, heavy and the back doesn't breathe. But great for base camp or other car activities.

[@amosmetcalf2949]

Love the Big agnes mica basin! Sits higher and much more comfortable. A little extra weight (and price) but well worth it after a long hike.

[@bennyweed91]

Dude... everyone always wants to sit in your chair. This is so true! I was a scoutmaster for 5 years, and this statement cannot be farther from the truth. Even when you repeatedly tell everyone to bring their own (and you know they all have chairs).

[@debbilermond1553]

Happy 20th Anniversary, Dan and to your understanding wife. You picked an awesome place to hike and explore! As far as the Helinox Chair Zero - I got rid of 2 tripod stools which weighed 2.5 lbs. for the lighter, more compact Chair Zero for me and my husband. He's 6'4", 244 lbs. and can still use this chair without breaking it. We always hike/backpack with them and won't do any hiking without them. Let the people laugh as they will be the first ones to want to sit in it at camp, LOL! 😂😉

[@thomasteske9127]

Started my backpacking experience with a group of old timers who all had 1 lb Sling Lights, the UL chair gold standard IMHO. Ended up getting one off eBay and it did the job but wasn't that comfortable for my 6'6" size and it didn't pack well. Tried the Helinox and happily set the Sling Light free. My buddy fixed the sinking legs with 3D printed feet. Content so far with the Helinox.

[@ddff5242]

The etsy shop hikelight makes a dyneema ground sheet that weighs 0.8 oz and doubles as a bag with bungee. Best solution I have found that keeps it from sinking without adding much weight.

[@KG-rc3hu]

I’d have my Zero for many years now and I love it, but Helinox recently released the Chair zero highback, which is 6 oz heavier but lets you rest your head…. Really tempting to upgrade.

[@DJBigC]

I ended up going with the Skyline UL Chair by Big Agnes myself. Weight wise - it's a bit more and I get people counting every ounce might not be into it. But it's higher off the ground which is SO much more comfortable for my knees after a long day. That was the selling point for me - and I use the thing all the time as it fits into the hard bag of my Harley easily as well.

[@tategilchrist]

Skyline UL chair is awesome. Use mine all the time. I got a chap out of Georgia from Goosefeet Gear to make me a little custom down underquilt for it. You just slide it on the legs before you put it together, and there is some small cord that you wrap around the corners of the fabric. It makes sitting in the chair, even when it is not super cold out, nice and toasty. Has extended my nighttime winter star-gazing time substantially, as I am not sitting on my down pants and jacket, and compressing them to the point where they do not insulate. He even made it the same color (yellow) as my Skyline. Pic of it in his IG, if you want to see it. Was a really great addition. Cheers.

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

I’ve got the Skyline and I really like it. Now, I need to check out this chair at REI. I can actually quit this addiction to sporting goods anytime I want to. Just not right now.

[@rolliseventeen]

years ago i bought the sunset. it was really a big amount for such a light thing, but i still use it and i had never a problem with it and i has to fight against my 120kg. it was the only chair so far which didnt break at the joints or fabric.

[@brzmow]

For me personally, the Nemo Moonlite is the better pick - yes its heavier (12oz) but tbh its way more comfortable and the game changer for me is the reclining feature. And since im a bigger guy it was a no brainer for me because its weight capacity is around 300 pounds. Just ordered another one for my wife.

[@williekenk]

We did the same. Just found it much more comfy and and the extra weight capacity was good piece of mind. I’m within capacity for the chair zero, but I could feel by butt hitting the frame based on how I was seated. No issues with that in the Nemo.

[@MrJuzt1n]

Other options for people looking: - Grand Trunk Compass stool - Eno sub7 hammock + UL straps

[@BxCortez2050]

I noticed the chair digging into the ground too ... I carry 4 "1900 " electrical Box covers to give feet something to set on

[@TheRealTomSelleck]

I’ve been using a off brand camping chair from Amazon. It’s 1.5lbs and my wife and I pack ours to the beach as well as on camping trips. We got them both 2 for 50$ a couple years ago.

[@nickmail7604]

Ahh Islands covered in lush, green vegetation and beautiful tropical forests, only trouble is they need quite a bit of rain and therefore clouds and mist! Great chair though, I have one myself, might have been your recommendation. I bought the ground mat with it to stop it sinking.

[@kenm4678]

Big Agnes chairs! Metal joints, large diameter tubing, variety of sizes.

[@patrickcheung2557]

There is a new hiker chair from Korean band Zerogram, made in carbon fibre, weigh only 580g but with much bigger , higher and comfortable size.

[@lakorai2]

Chair Zero Highback and Chair Zero XL. Helinox came out with these recently. The highback is incredible. I sold my OG Chair Zero to get that one

[@ManWithGoodHands]

I have been binging your channel for days now and I have learned two things, gear has changed a lot over the past 6 years since I backpacked, and you sir… are John Krasinskis doppelgänger.

[@AlaskanGeezer]

Congrats! Happy anniversary!

[@mateobeans3787]

I have the Helonix Chair Zero and REI Flex Lite Air chair. The REI chair is actually 2oz lighter than the Helonix.... I’m 6’3”, 190lbs and prefer the REI chair... ✌🏻

[@jospipodEvo]

This chair has made it into our living room for the kids playing or watching TV, it’s always occupied😂, even our Dog loves it, I have custom UnderQuilt for it, the Best!

[@GustoStCool]

I bought the ground sheet $35.00, the chair cover $65.00 (which is awesome because I can wrap it around my therm-a-rest pillow...super comfy!). So, I'm in total like $230 bucks. Totally worth it! No regerts!

[@GustoStCool]

@Dan Becker Is this valid?????

[@johnroark9568]

Well today is my 7th anniversary. Unfortunately I'm between jobs so no backpacking until I get a new career. But it's the first thing I'm doing. I haven't had a backpacking chair yet but I definitely want one. Thanks for the info!

[@Laffa777]

i have the mat for that chair and i does help a lot. if you can wait when its cheaper,do so,couse it cost alot,like the chair it self

[@PBlaik]

I'm sure you know, but the Helinox Ground Chair does not sink into the ground like the Chair Zero, and it only weighs a tiny bit more. That being said, I have both and as a weight weanie, I bring the Chair Zero on trips 😆

[@scottbutler1561]

Nice long-term review of a great product. I really enjoyed your ...Bros. imitation at the end :)

[@gcruishank9663]

Go for the Chair 2 with the padded liner add on (for chilly nights) SOOOO comfortable. The headrest makes ALL the difference. Won't go without it.

[@rjflippo]

As a bigger guy, 6’5” and 265… I don’t feel comfortable with a chair I am maxing out. I carry a cheap hitorhike 3.5 lb chair that has a full back rest and can accommodate up to 350 lbs. The extra weight and size is well worth the comfort, to me.

[@immeremma]

Matt should know as a Canadian that a pound is 454 g. They still sell meat and stuff in pounds but labelled in grams. Happy anniversary!

[@feliperivas3814]

Such a fun episode. Beautiful cinematography to match the oscar-worthy performance Haha, thanks for video! *For anybody shopping for backpacking chairs, and as Dan mentioned, the REI options are not terrible at all. The Helinox is unmatched in weight but of course it is rather pricy. I bought 2 REI Flexlite chairs, each weighing 1 lb 11 oz, and I had found them for 50% off during the REI summer sale. So I spent under $80 for both. And of course there exists the Flexlite air chairs, which are even lighter at 1 lb. So for anybody not trying to break their bank over a single chair, I recommend staying vigilant on possible sales if you're willing to be patient!

[@samketchum406]

Flexlite Air is same weight and 99.00

[@feliperivas3814]

@@samketchum406 yep, you’re right. Thought it was slightly lighter. Good mention.

[@neemancallender9092]

BTR Better Than a Rock A sub 1 pound / 500 g folding tripod stool at 17” height It is an extremely comfortable stool Packs down very small and fits in a side pocket It’s advantage is that it is almost instantly available to deploy So you stop, take it out a side pocket and you are sitting down Well worth checking out I have both the BTR stool and the Helinox

[@MrTalkingzero]

Unrelated to the topic. Back in the day, there were two words, envious and jealous. Jealous was used exclusively to describe matters of the heart and love. Nowadays it seems that envious has been discarded and jealous is used for everything. She's jealous because women text me. She's jealous of her sisters... hair. Weird to me, normal to a younger crowd. Great video. Unbiased review.

[@Lv4_o2]

Happy Anniversary!!!🥂🍾 I’m a forever Chair Zero, I’m not sure how any company could make a better chair.

[@Lv4_o2]

Didn’t enter, Mr Bot/NotDanBecker.🙄

[@WeekendsOutsideFL]

I just have the REI Flexlite regular, the $69 1lb11oz one. And I was proud of that purchase after trying the 3 pound Ozark trail “backpacking” chair. Yikes! The Ozark trail was very stable and solid I’ll credit that but sooooo heavy!!!

[@filmic1]

Glad you mentioned weight. I have a Mtn Equipment COOP chair that weighs a kilo. Haven't packed with it yet, but pretty comfortable.

[@karenpolansky9097]

I also have the MEC chair that I took with me last weekend. Needless to say, I ordered the zero when I got home. The MEC is more comfortable, but it’s 1 1/2 lbs heavier. My back and shoulders/hips will be much happier next time with the zero. MEC are out of stock on the Zeros, but I found one at Frontenac Outfitters north of Kingston, Ontario.

[@filmic1]

@@karenpolansky9097 Excellent!

[@scottyplug]

Anyone looking for this chair but hesitant at the $149 price point, Campmor has it on sale for $119 right now! (3/30/2024) Plus free shipping in the US. I finally pulled the trigger on it.

[@scottyplug]

There's a cool "hack" video here on the KZbins that shows how you can actually make that leg support "basket" (for lack of a better word) that keeps the chair from sinking. Bonus: it can actually take the place of the stuff sack for the chair. It's just made from old vinyl tarp material and gorilla tape. Pretty cool stuff. As always, great and funny vid Dan. You're a natural.

[@Doc_Watson]

Justin had a genius idea with that sandmat/stuff sack DIY.

[@scottyplug]

@@Doc_Watson Which Justin?

[@Doc_Watson]

@@scottyplug Justin from It's Good in the Woods.

[@scottyplug]

@@Doc_Watson yes!! That’s the one!

[@platforma1974]

Helinox Ground is even better, had it for a year and its really proper amazing could sit hours on it

[@robbhultman]

Chair Zero L out now for the win! 685 grams. Chair One frame with Chair Zero seat. Extra seat height is great for a 6' 2" hiker.

[@davidsawmandave8731]

I just bought one moment ago , Exactly like the one you have I can't wait to take it on the trip this weekend, I was that guy that Set on foam pads aso , time for one

[@pgads3004]

I just use a stool. 1lb. Now the Helinoc lite cot was a game changer for me.

[@natehoover5266]

I bought the Sierra Madre Air Chair and on my scale it's 24.5 ounces in the stuff sack for $90 or so. I wish I would have got the Zero for the extra money to save some weight. But I'll always bring a chair.

[@albeolupus]

Congrats on your 20th anniversary! We just got back from Maui two days ago celebrating our 13th! Too bad we didn't run into you!

[@davidroach3122]

I have hiked for at least five years with same $32, 1.9 pound chair with leg extenders to sit higher, whenever weight is not critical and comfort is. To stop the legs from sinking in the ground I found a simple cheap solution. I took practice 4 plastic golf balls and cut a small X into each. A ball was stuck on the end of each leg, problem solved. Same chair, same golf balls equals comfort at the end of the day five years running.

[@Lizzybeth1973]

I took my Chair Zero on vacation with me because… why not? It fits in my 16L daypack and weighs hardly anything 👍🏻

[@skylerphoenix8880]

Hey Dude - get some Chair Buddies to keep your chair from sinking into the dirt. So great. They’re a set of 4 individual landing pads that clip to each of the feet.

[@battlement]

Happy anniversary Dan! My Helinox chair purchase was heavily influenced by you, so thanks for that too.

[@barneyrubble1754]

yabadaba doo. Life in the backcountry is so much better with a chair. I have used an ALITE chair for almost tens years. 18oz It has two legs and my two legs makes it four. It sits low to the ground so I am able to use it in my tent. I have been made fun many times for carrying it, however, those making fun end up asking if they can sit in it. What does that tell you. 🤙 love the videos dude.

[@barneyrubble1754]

AWESOME ! Thank you 🤙

[@truegrite2825]

THIS! is one of my creature comfort’s I’m bringing with me on the AT 😁

[@Rawdilz]

I recently got the REI chair, weight is 15 oz. with out the bag. And I got it on a sale for $65.

[@shabingly]

I'm 6'2", and I wouldn't recommend the zero to anyone any taller than me. I reckon I'm just about top end height for it. There's some 3rd party clip-on feet you can buy called chair buddies that help with that sinking feeling, but they add about 35g per feet to the weight. I've tried it on a few multiday trips and can't justify taking it in our consta-rain. Now use a trekker chair from thermarest, and if it's raining I can use it in the tent.

[@memathews]

Thank you for the words of warning on being tall. I've considered these, but just testing them they seem really uncomfortable on the knees and back, and difficult to extract from after sitting for a longer period. I'm 6'3" and you've convinced me to wait for something equally light but with a better fit.

[@elijiahcrockett9445]

I’m actually 6’8” and used the helinox no problem for a 3 day trip. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Did have to sit with my legs outstretched however.

[@memathews]

@@elijiahcrockett9445 That's good to know. I imagine your selection of tents is limited, tarps are probably a better fit?

[@SpiritDK]

i bought the bottom "pad" when i bought my chair and use it always, just last weekend I was in a pine forest for an overnight if I had not had the pad I would not have been able to sit in the chair, the legs would have gone straight into the ground the extra 30$ or so I EVERY penny worth

[@alexweigelhikes]

You want a better chair? As you mentioned, here is a better chair: REI Co-op Flexlite Air Chair. Its essentially the same thing (the recline angle is slightly different than the helinox), but less expensive. It is $99 full price, but it goes on sale regularly through REI brand coupons or other deals.

[@cat21093]

REI Flexlite Air is the way to go. 1 lb. More comfy. And you can get it for about $60 during the member sales on REI products .

[@nathandolenc554]

I can’t wait to see you bring a few of these to the PCT northern terminus to meet Kyle Hates Hiking & Co.

[@ThaneR0248]

the ground mat is necessary, it adds few ounces, but worth it so it does not sink into the ground...

[@jayounglee2209]

Happy aniv., Dan, from Seoul Korea where Heliknox's HQ(which is the same company makes DAC poles for numerous tents and so on)is. I believe Helinox started this chair's popularity but the initial design concept and idea came from a company called Alite, not sure they were collabative or still in business.

[@inkynate9372]

The company Grand Trunk just re-released the discontinued Alite chairs on their website. Would love to hear your take on them vs. the Helinox and other backpacking chairs. Thanks!

[@chillindave1357]

Happy almost Anniversary!

[@jeanyves8585]

Happy anniversary!!!

[@jasonmcgill3904]

You can take mini tennis balls, cut a slit in them and slip them over the feet of your chair. It'll help keep it from sinking and is pretty lightweight.

[@jimmeek8621]

I don’t have one yet and yes it weighs almost two pounds, but I found the Nemo Moonlight significantly more comfortable. My first thought as I settled into it was that it was the most comfortable chair of any kind I’d ever sat in. I’d be interested to see your review.

[@SammyMaeQ]

I thought it would be the way to go, too but found those straps on the side cut into my arms and decided it wasn't with the weight. I had a Helinox, the Moonlite and the $40 knock off from Amazon for a couple weeks and kept debating. The Zero was honestly the least comfortable, the $40 the most. In the end, I decided all were miles more comfortable than no chair and weight mattered the most because I've already opted for a lux/heavy sleep system.

[@ethridgechad]

I love the Moonlight chair! Think it is very well made.

[@aaronlawrence6350]

I see you with the Peak Design backpack, I have the light gray one and I love it

[@davidson_oldbull_sectionhiker]

Happy Anniversary Dan.

[@jameshiggins-thomas9617]

Happy Anniversary!

[@MikeycatOutdoors]

Stansport has a 1 lb $30 folding stool. Fits atop a backpack. It's what Shug uses. Then there's the collapsible Hillsound 3 legged BTR stool for about $60 and weighs under a pound. Helinox is the only lightweight chair with a backrest.

[@CharlesBlank]

if $120 is a little bit expensive there is an REI Flexlite AIR chair that is an oz or two lighter than the helinox chair zero and costs $99 and usually you can find it on sale for around $60. the main difference is that you can stretch out your legs out in front of you more on the helinox chair zero but the way I sit I actually prefer the REI Flexlite AIR chair. you can always go to an REI and sit on both chairs to compare.

[@fritzgrigsby]

I went to Kauai last summer and OMG apple bananas literally changed my life! I need to go back just for the bananas!

[@gooberfishin]

Helinox chair one is best chair if you weigh more than 275. Still light. Still sturdy.

[@MARLEYFANcbr]

Buy once cry once. I left my chair at home once on a trip and regretted it as soon as I got to camp. I will probably get the highback zero someday.

[@DonP_is_lostagain]

They make a ground cover thingy that goes over the feet and keeps it from sinking into muddy or sandy soil. I've got he old chair one and still drag it around.

[@davidrehm9681]

I bought the Nemo Moonlite Reclining Chair...holds more weight and I feel safer plopping down in it

[@paavoviuhko7250]

Yes great chair. What about the Helinox umbrella zero. I love mine. Very light. But watch out for branch stubs in the bush.

[@jonhoffm]

After having a chair zero for a couple of years, I wish they had added the weight and lengthened the legs a bit. Being 6’2”, the zero is just a tad low.

[@Doc_Watson]

They have the Chair One which is a little heavier and a little taller. Another YT'er had the zero and broke the frame on it and replaced it with a one. He now uses the zero's seat on the frame of the one. He calls it his Helinox .5 as it weighs a little more than the zero but less than the one.

[@JimTheHunt]

Those are great chairs. REI chair for 1 lb is the best bang for the buck.

[@MBergyman]

I love my chair for backpacking (REI Flexlite Air). It is a pound, I can deal with that for the wonderful blessing of a soft seat, not a rock or log, at the end of a day of walking. I bought it because I was able to get it for like $60, half of what the Helinox costs (i am cheap). I've investigated carbon poles to replace the aluminum ones, and a lighter fabric for the seat body (excluding the corners). It is not going to get much lighter than 1lb though, and the chair will be even less robust than the Zero or the Air, so yeah, yet another niche product.

[@darkdragon1194]

Trekology sells a 1.5lb (0.68kg) backpacking chair that is a little bulkier, but (imo) much more comfortable and only costs $40usd.

[@tamahagane6083]

Have you checked out the Helinox Chair Zero High Back? I enjoy my chair zero and was excited to see they have a high back version now.

[@mikescheme]

i found the REI Flexlite Air Chair to be a little more comfortable vs the Helinox. Could be due to other factors (body weight, type, etc.)