HELL RAISER vs SHOWTIME

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Some video of Tim Camerons last buggy Hell Raiser and his newest buggy Showtime on the same hills so that you can see just how the different setups work.
Both of these buggies are running the LSX454 Small Block with Powerglide Transmission.

[@garymoran3050]

This bloke knows how to drive these machines, great to watch.

[@MadRam11]

@andyfederman Thanks man, The biggest reason he went back to 1 tons is because Rockwells just don't climb as good as 1 tons. Yeah the Rockwells are stronger but you have to beat them a lot harder to make the trails!!

[@vma5131]

I could watch these all day!

[@dc2979]

Great video. I love watching these high hp rigs climb those hills.

[@andyfederman]

As someone who really understands the workin aspects of a 4x4 vehicle i can say I really appreciate the videos. Great quality and so much better than 99% of the garbage on youtube. the new rig is great just wondering why the switch back to 1tons from the top loading rockwell axles. I'm guessing since mr. cameron there can break any axle you put underneath him and he went with the 1 tons to get more power to the wheels? Thanks for the awesome vids.

[@MadRam11]

@BLACKLACDTS no he sold Hell Raiser as a rolling Chassis, the engine and transmission are now in Showtime

[@MadRam11]

Man I don't know if I have a favorite. I really like Game Changer

[@battleborn7]

@ktumbleweed You're absolutely right, the terrain is completely different than it is out here in the west, most people in the sierras crawl because there are huge rocks and slabs of granite, pretty much equivalent to street tires on pavement, so throttle input is slow and steady (crawling) to avoid breakage of axles and other drivetrain components. Dirt and loose terrain, especially climbs in it requires wheelspin and pre-determined routes. Totally badass video.

[@MadRam11]

@themaster91156 No its a completely different block. Google LSX 454 and you will find more info about it

[@AcesUpOffroad]

@MadRam11 Great video's as always. I love how it looks like a grenade went off whenever Tim stands on Showtime.

[@AlabamaM4n]

It's amazing how drastically the setup affects the abilities. Either way, both rigs are WIN

[@sik59rt]

@MadRam11 as long as someone's foot isnt made of lead, anyone can. all that power to make a buggy go sideways. totally worth it .

[@BelviGER]

yeah which makes it even more impressive a friend of mine and i once built a rollcage for a (smaller)buggy and he really liked the style of these buggies so we too used like tons of tubing in the end, everything was finished when we realized, there was no way to get inside...that was a bummer

[@towersquirrel]

I don't think either one of these guys have EVER heard of tread lightly!!! These are amazing machines!!!

[@chefdan87]

Love how they grooved the tires on hell raiser. Look mean, i would love to groove my boggers but its hard to shave something that cost me so much, lol

[@towzone100]

That is just sick. You got skill. I need me one of these rigs. Hell with rock crawling.

[@Piffydaily]

these thing are the coolest things on wheels iv ever seen!!...i want a street legal one with those frames...sick!

[@TripSmith]

I would say the driving styles are pretty different too. The green buggy gives it hell and the red is more meticulous and takeshis time. Watch more videos of that green buggy, they are wild!

[@stephenlangford5898]

Those hills are almost vertical. I ride fourwheelers and some of the things we hit are serious, but it don't look that way on camera but this is awesome dude.

[@MadRam11]

@UntamedAdreniline I agree, I like both

[@jeremyposey1651]

I love your vids Tim keep them coming. I was wondering out of the three buggies ive seen which one is your favorite? looks like hell raiser was just that hell to drive.

[@battleborn7]

Always loved these buggys. What's the general wheelbase target on these? And are they running just 1 ton gear or rockwells?

[@battleborn7]

@Cr4zyt1ts Probably the heims on the links, not bushings so you always have metal on metal contact on the suspension arms, most passenger cars use bushings for comfort and low road noise.

[@StumpyVanLife]

To everyone saying they are just pointing and shooting, I say come on!! It may not look like itbut there is a lot of skill going on here. You gotta be thinking several steps ahead, pick the right line, use the right amount of throttle at the right time, manipulate the rear steer, and when you do get in trouble keep a level head and do your best to drive out of it!! Crawling is cool, I used to do it, but you have a lot of time to react. The way they do it, you have a split second to react.

[@Erikclaw1]

What was changed between the two buggies? Wheel base? Seems to handle everything better.

[@sportbilen]

@MadRam11 Just the arms breaking off every now and then? :-)

[@Miniclash]

I like the amount of fighting in these comments. I'm not sure about these "buggies" being "cool" in any way. But who am I to judge, this is not my forest. Please tear it apart your heart content.

[@LVs13DRIFT]

the hell raiser buggy is cool but it seems like the rebound on the shocks were set pretty high causing it to bounce instead of staying compressed for a little longer alowing it to bite like Showtime buggy did just a thought ;) .....I would love either one !

[@miked90123]

Showtime seems to make its own lines, Hellrazer cant seem to keep a line. Both sweet rigs. Keep up the good work.

[@Bluewatertravler]

@gunzkevin Depends on the design and parts. These two buggies cost about what a good size new home costs!

[@battleborn7]

looks like the red is running 1 tons and the green is running rockwells. Weight savings for the new buggy?

[@mitchwarnez4424]

both beautiful rigs. Nuff said!

[@MadRam11]

@runvous1 I think he is going to hang on to this one for a little while. At least I hope he does.

[@MrMacrun]

are those custom built headers/exhaust system? they sound kinda diff. using any kind of mufflers or resinators? or just straight through. just wondering. i get a kick out of people saying there diff drivers. lol

[@ballengerk803]

16.5 on Hell Raiser? Saw they were beadlocked also, were the double beadlocks or just the outer?

[@waltherchev1]

dude those buggys are awesome and my gpa put that kind of motor in his 57' chevy and it is bad sweet buggys

[@aw3t464747]

I just absolutely love this design !!!

[@kodakotron]

I love the cage work, excellent

[@JerryGiesler09]

@MadRam11 ...so what was the original engine's displacement before it was made into the LSX454 small-block? 350?

[@Belcher3838]

great video and whats up with the half cut bogger on the front right of hell raiser in the begining slide show?

[@MadRam11]

@AcesUpOffroad haha, never thought of it like that but you are correct.

[@DocWolph]

About that bar across the back suspension on "showtime": Is that a De Dion Tube or the rear steering link?

[@discusdog]

Wow!!!!! both killer buggy's.I just never get tired of watching these monsters ripping the trails a new a**hole

[@MadRam11]

@ChaplainC It's the same driver driving both rigs

[@Azzmatazza]

Crazy axles man! Looks like a Swiss jeep

[@MadRam11]

@BigH3017 lol, this has a 454 small block in it, look it up if you don't believe me.

[@kenno251]

Hellraiser is a good looking vehicle, but iv'e watched Showtime do some pretty amazing stuff, so i like Showtime better, but thats just my opinion. Both are are damn nice machines, you are a buggy building genius , no doubt !!!!!!!!!

[@ChaplainC]

I think that some of this differences has to be driver skill. I mean the way the green buggy was driven was certainly different from that of the red. Nice vehicles, both of them. Would be fun to play with I should think.

[@MadRam11]

@TheDeag1e Its the same motor just different exhaust

[@SuperCharger420]

It's cool to see these 2 monsters at work. I'd say show time is a lighter rig, makein it a better climber, the rockwells are awesome but heavy, maybe a real deal big block like a 572 would help hellraiser deal with its extra weight?

[@KatoJari]

how much did it cost to make these bad boys ? or did you buy them? and if so how much did they cost haha

[@rcruz003]

Holy shit Batman !!! Those are some high dollar rigs there.

[@MadRam11]

glad ya like it

[@patrolalex]

TC! He DA Bomb!! Thanks Madram, you da bomb too!!!!

[@MadRam11]

no 3d drawings or anything. This was all done out of the guys head, not computer work at all.

[@MadRam11]

There are no Blue Prints. These guys don't use blue prints, they build them from scratch. Most of them keep all the knowledge tucked inside there SKULL

[@05American]

Well... he's got over $60,000 just in drivetrain parts if I recall correctly. Both rigs have been dismantled since these clips were taken. He's going to unveil a new buggy soon. I think it's his 9th? Madram11 can correct me if I'm wrong.

[@MadRam11]

@sik59rt Its the same person driving both rigs

[@MadRam11]

@jasondean250 yeah they are both awesome rigs

[@rideyourride]

It's hard to tell without seeing them side by side but showtime looks both longer and lower?

[@SuperStoploss]

I'm no expert but is seems to me that the difference between those 2 buggies, as far as the video showed, was maturity. In the clips of Hell Raiser he was using too much rear steer input. That's why he was sliding sideways so much. By the time he built Show Time he had leaned to better manage the rear steer and not give it so much input.

[@WW5RM]

Looks like a Winch and brakes on Hell Raiser. Are those Rockwells on Hell Raiser?

[@boone771]

The sound of the red one is epic.

[@MadRam11]

@towersquirrel haha, its the same person driving both of them.

[@MadRam11]

@theninjadang lol, its the exact same driver in both buggies.

[@MadRam11]

@deathcomrad99 Anytime you wana come ride with us and show TC how to drive let me know and I can arrange it.

[@MadRam11]

@RideYourRide it is both

[@siren0770]

wow what a difference. He is one hell of a driver!

[@ChaplainC]

@MadRam11 Perhaps I am mistaken, it just seemed like the style was different. Well anyhow, cool video, thanks for sharing

[@cletusk20]

Did he ditch the rockwells because of the extra unsprung weight or the fact that they come only with 6.72 gears?

[@aaronswaim8290]

the fact that he hasn't been killed by flying rocks is more impressive than the vehicle itself

[@MadRam11]

@Flaheat its not as bad as you think in there

[@redxj33s]

Wasn't it alot muddier when he had hellraiser? And what is the wheelbase(center to center) on the two rigs?

[@countryboy1234ify]

I cant w8 to see yall out there for TGW!

[@deendan1]

How often do you guys get your head slammed to the frame when bouncing around?

[@Chris10rx]

I need these awesome machines in my life!! How much does it cost to build one?

[@MadRam11]

price depends on parts used and who builds it or if you can do it yourself

[@teknikgroup7597]

100K if you want one that can withstand rolling over + 4WS + V8+ Turbo+ Handbuilt+ ++

[@abudobaib]

is this buggy for sale? I mean is it mass produced or custom made? if it is, how much both?

[@my31and37]

I'd love to show up at the local mud hole in either one....both are awesome rigs..

[@MadRam11]

Hell Raiser had different axles than Showtime. Thats why

[@seanisinsane]

every dyno'ed one of them? if so what kind of power does one of these put out?

[@peterfiechtl]

these buggies always get my blood pumping!

[@MadRam11]

They have the exact same engine, and it makes around 600HP

[@pipus4444]

you guys should show up at the next top truck challenge !

[@XxClemsonTigersXx]

id really like to apprentice with some of the guys that build these buggies and learn some stuff, any tips/leads?

[@piersremus]

if it is the same guy why dosent he use the skills he uses on the red and not on the green one? I mean I love how he feathers the gas on the coming up part at 1:08 onwards! sick driving there! Anyhows both are ultra sick! wow!

[@davelamay]

Doesn't seem like a completely fair comparison to me because the obstacles were all considerably dryer in the showtime clips which would make them easier. Either way I wouldn't mind having either rig.

[@jrmhhardie]

aproximatly how much money does it cost to build one of these?

[@spydergs07]

@JerryGiesler09 I'm pretty sure I know Tim Cameron and I know both are his buggies HE built and drives BOTH of them. Yes he was driving both and he just sold his green one recently.

[@johnny2by2]

what would i call one of these if i wanted to took up similar vehickles. rock crawlers? they seem much more powerfull

[@2grand4U]

what gears and engines you guys put on those things?

[@MadRam11]

we call them rock bouncers and there are different companies who make them

[@MadRam11]

an LSX doesn't make that much out of the crate, TC motor only make a little over 600hp

[@CanAmXTP]

Rear wheel steering gives you an advantage eh...

[@glennconroy3087]

That was awesome!!!

[@05American]

He's one of the best rock bouncing drivers in the WORLD. You don't know what you are looking at, bud. He is famous for his almost perfect use of rear steer.

[@christianjrgensen6668]

got any idea about how much one of these would cost???? around 150.000 USD? or even more?

[@MadRam11]

@donhd04 I dont know but it would be cool to see for sure

[@MadRam11]

@sik59rt man not sure what you are talking about, I haven't deleted any comments.

[@tim7931]

the tires on hell raiser are sweet, what is et up different?

[@MadRam11]

@sik59rt haha, its the same person driving both rigs

[@MadRam11]

They are both custom made