Helldivers 2's Unshakable Community has been Shook.

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[@ryanvacation7319]

If you look at all the Helldivers forums (from Reddit to their official Discord) during the first few months of lunch, the community sentiment was overwhelmingly positive and supportive of Arrowhead. Almost everyone was defending them. Unfortunately, the community gradually grew angry due to the nerfs, broken promises, and unresolved game-breaking bugs. The toxicity didn't happen overnight; it was the result of months of mounting frustration.

[@DutchGuyMike]

Lunch? I like lunch. Well the buffs seem proper, things many people requested. At first Pilestedt said he wanted to "make the game according to their vision" but now they realized they cannot - they have to make a game that the players want, not them.

[@Harvest133]

@@DutchGuyMike well his vision made no sense from the get go. It was trying to do things that were fundementally at odds with itself. You can't have a MilSim that involves dudes dropping in from orbital pods, because that would kill them. You can't have milsim of mooks, but have them operate like special forces. You can't claim realism in an incredibly unrealistic setting. They accidentally made a good game at launch, and then progressively made it worse and worse trying to pursue these impossibilities.

[@rayzerot]

The problem wasn't, "Goodwill until it cost the community something" in this case. The problem was AH made poor game balancing choices, the players called foul, AH said "Sorry. We've listened to player feedback. We'll get it right next time", and then AH continued to do what it wanted instead of listening to player feedback. Over. And over. And over again. Arrowhead had lots of goodwill and used every bit of it up lying to players repeatedly

[@fredgoh]

I blame it on the "Get Good Gang". Cause they make the most noise n praise every changes n lift them high to the heavens n blame it on the gamers who just want to have fun.

[@PitPwny]

@@fredgohdidn’t you know hd2 is a hardcore competitive game? Derpw

[@Rouxkat]

@@rayzerot yea I guess it's not really the same thing, it's just like an experience that popped into my mind and might play a minor roll in why they would not listen. To my logic it just does not make sense why you would ignore your community like that...

[@fredgoh]

@@PitPwny compete with? I dun remember there is any kind of ranking system. If there is, u are either just jesting or dreaming.

[@PitPwny]

@@fredgoh sarcasm

[@ImAfemaleNoob2]

Crashes and connection problems have been killing it for me

[@Rouxkat]

@@ImAfemaleNoob2 You seem to not be the only person to complain about this, was this always an issue for you or only recently?

[@ImAfemaleNoob2]

@@Rouxkat rarely had connection problems but since that awful patch, almost every random game I join ends up booting me from the match. Everything stops moving and either I’m back to the orbit or solo. Before it was almost never an issue.

[@Rouxkat]

@@ImAfemaleNoob2 yea that sux >: and that's SUCH a demotivator especially when you only have an X ammount of unwinding good-old gaming time

[@madwolf4815]

Literally the same reason why I put it down I still love the game wish I could actually play it

[@redstarling5171]

Yes have to verify game integrity on steam before playing. Always 1 file that needs to be required for some reason.

[@GeannBlueX]

Man I stuck to the game for all this time but couldn’t take it after another nerf they just keep making the game less fun

[@PitPwny]

People said this four months ago, and were told “get gud” f it…

[@jacobsmith8377]

Pvd. Players v devs

[@quarreneverett4767]

Yeah ii got the first game ao much better ans othee games. Silica is also a game

[@TerranPlanetaryDefenseForce]

Aaaaaaand I got disconnected back to my ship.

[@monocyte2210]

Always verify your files before game

[@Soul_Biscuit]

@@monocyte2210I’ll do that on my PS5

[@Aquablade95]

SEPTEMBER 17TH I WILL BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY TILL THE END FOR I WILL BE THE LAST HELLDIVER DIVING FOR SUPER EARTH

[@kuronanestimare]

We're just tired of *Nerf it* "We'll change." *Another Nerf* "We'll do better." *177 countries disconnected* "We need PSN now." *Yet more nerfs* "We'll change this time." *Space Marine II, a competing Horde Shooter comes out.* "Wait until the 17th." We've been Groomed and Gaslit into Hell and back, and we as consumers can only tolerate so much before we just... stop caring. We kept telling them "This guy is toxic and only wants nerfs, remove them from the Balance team" but we just keep getting nerfed and we're tired of it.

[@TheHighborn]

The psn thing is why I won't buy gow ragna on PC. I just borrowed my friends PS5.

[@projectdeveloper9311]

It's like asking for the guy near a mortar to blow that thing up because it's literally kiling us, only to hear "I'm on it!" and more mortar fire incoming. Now repeat that exercise at least 5 times in a row. Yeah no wonder so many complaints

[@NativesMotoroel]

The force of PSN is the one thing that can't be laid on the doormat of AH, that is PlayStation and those idiots are loosing so much money over it it's mind boggling... Modern capitalism sucks

[@johnthomson3827]

this review from steam sums up everything about the devs and their "ideas" for balance I went to the Arrowhead Car mechanic to have my brand new V8 fixed. I said the check engine light is on and I feel its vibrating really bad. They took a look. One of my spark plugs was bad and the cylinder wasn't firing as a result. They disabled the spark plug in the other cylinder to balance it out and told me how my new V6 was more balanced, since it allowed me to try other cars. I complained that it didn't feel the same. The power was really bad and it wasn't pulling like it used to. They told me it used to be way too powerful, but admitted that they did overdo it a bit. They replaced my tires so I get better grip and told me it should be better now. I started really disliking the V6, so I sold it and bought a 1000cc motorcycle. It sounds amazing. I'm in love. And it can really go go go! First service, Arrowhead mechanics replaced my exhaust without telling me anything. I told them something doesn't seem right, but they insisted it was fine. The mechanic later confirmed this was an error. I brought my bike back, and they reverted the mistake. For some reason, this also included putting the old oil back into the bike. My engine blew up. They apologized and promised a fix. Got my bike back several months later, now it has 600cc. Balancing reasons. Too fast. Everybody is riding motorcycles, and Arrowhead wants people to try some of the other vehicles... I decided to give up and just walk. The Arrowhead mechanic dragged me into a dark alley and cut my legs off. Everybody is walking and it really isn't balanced. I should try a wheelchair. What the fuck is this bastard talking about? V8, motorcycle, wheelchair, what??? THIS IS HOW ARROWHEAD PATCHES THEIR DAMN WEAPONS.

[@davidmoore8398]

Im still playing it love it.

[@GoldenCrusader-ji5oq]

Sam3

[@PitPwny]

Hopefully they make some changes and get the player base above 9k in the future.

[@ElGreco15]

​@@PitPwny"We hear your feedback" Nerfs ammo by half

[@DutchGuyMike]

@@ElGreco15 Well the buffs seem proper, things many people requested. At first Pilestedt said he wanted to "make the game according to their vision" but now they realized they cannot - they have to make a game that the players want, not them. No doubt when the update launcher many people will be happy (I already know some weapons will become usable).

[@DirtyDanRichards]

To hopefully come up with a funnier example. Imagine if your loyal customers were actively telling you "We love the Elephants, they're my favorite part!" And your response was "Oh! So nobody loves the Snakes, we better kill some of the Elephants so they'll look at more Snakes!", and then your customers complain, because they loved the Elephants. So then, you're like, "Oh, i shouldn't have done that! We won't make that mistake again" And then you kill the Lions... And the cycle repeats itself again and again until even your most loyal customers call it quits. That is Arrowhead in a nutshell.

[@user-gl2ss2th3m]

I disagree it feels like for 3 patches, we have complained about nerfs. When Sony tried their bs we let them know and they backed off(at least for now) we changed our reviews back to positive. Helldivers is still a good game it may be too late for them to change course but if they do I wouldn't mind trying another dive 💪

[@Rouxkat]

@user-gl2ss2th3m there is truth to your words, these complains are important tho as they help steer the devs into a direction that makes the game in a desirabel state, at the end we all just want a game thats awesome. and I have to admit even in making this video, the session I jumped in I had an absolue blast

[@john.s1962]

Brand loyalty makes you blind to alternatives. Why buy something from a popular brand when something equelevant or plain better is made for less by a competitor?

[@Rouxkat]

That is very much true, however it's the "reputation" factor that usually accompanies a brand name. As generally people cant test multiple products, so they are left with having to choose what might seem like the most logical choice, thus falling to the brand. (if that makes sense)

[@john.s1962]

@@Rouxkat True, there's reputation and the safe choice, but if a company gets too comfortable and people aren't willing to move on to a different brand, then that company ends up destroying or buying off the competition. Kind of like Microsoft, EA and Sony are doing buying studios and ruining franchises. Cod and Minecraft are, debatable, prime examples. And of course, Ubisoft. Thankfully people are kinda sick of them.

[@Rouxkat]

@john.s1962 Absolutely! We can throw Blizzard in there to

[@john.s1962]

@@Rouxkat Oh yeah, forgot about them

[@DisIngRaM]

Forever Winter (Early access) is coming soon, Kinda different game, but should take your time away from HD2

[@BDubs1269]

I tried for 3hrs last night to play and was only able to complete a single game. Kept crashing, kicking me from matches, freezing, etc. I tried everything and nothing worked. Internet connection was perfect (6 ping, 80mbps download, 150mbps upload), so it wasn't on my side. Other people trying to join the games I was in also wouldn't be able to join or would randomly drop as well. It was frustrating. It finally started working after 8 game restarts and 3hrs of being booted from the game. Between 7pm and midnight, I was able to complete 4 missions

[@Rouxkat]

@@BDubs1269 holy crap, that much worse than I expected! from what country did you connect if I may ask?

[@ReVerthex]

Try disable IPV6 in windows, fixed all my connection issues I was having.

[@BDubs1269]

@Rouxkat USA. To be fair, I'm in WV in the middle of nowhere, but I live on a university campus so we have decent internet. Essentially, it shouldn't have been like this.

[@redstarling5171]

Verify game integrity on steam before playing works for me. Always 1 file missing

[@sillywilly6919]

I have 800-900 mbps download speed with a wired connection to my router and constantly get disconnected any time I get bored of everything else and try playing HD2 again lmfaooo

[@Amajor12]

Bruh! I was so hyped for this game as a fan of the first game. I bought 3 copies 1 for me and 2 for my friends as gifts because they never heard of it so I took away any reason for them not to give it a chance. And I was so glad I did, and also never expected the game to take off like it did. But as time wore the game became more and more of a grind. And one day I ask my boy to play and he said so we can run around the map today? And I said is that what we been doing? So we played and sure enough we were playing on Helldive and we were just running trying to get to each objective. And barely able to extract with samples we collected so my boys started dropping off and it took me longer but at the end I had to move on to something else because I was not having fun anymore.

[@only1badclayton2]

Dude, how are you not more popular your video's are such high quality. Keep it up!! ❤❤👍👍

[@Rouxkat]

@@only1badclayton2 wow thanx man, ! Yea I'm still a new kid on the block, if you check my previous vids you'll notice the sounds and edits are all over the place, so really appreciate the comment ;-)

[@mejm8855]

Glad im not the only one in these comments that noticed bad connection problems after the last patch. I went from 1 drop every ten games to 9 drops every ten games.

[@shlinkt8449]

They're releasing a patch soon, Super earth will shine again

[@ssfbob456]

We can only hope...

[@PitPwny]

Yeah…this patch is going to fix it all… (heard this 4 times already)

[@shlinkt8449]

@@PitPwny we must never give up hope

[@Van_of_the_lake]

>Connecting to lobby >Getting coordinates >The party is locked

[@Soul_Biscuit]

>only SOS Beacon on the map

[@Van_of_the_lake]

@@Soul_Biscuit I know how to fix this btw You have to press R to find a match

[@warsawpactmapping83]

it comes down to the point that there isnt much threat / need to fight. The bugs are mostly gone and the robots have been held. If another front were to open and make more of a threat towards super earth more people would join again. BUT LET US NOT FORGET CORPORATE GREED OF SONY. (Leaving a third of our bothers stuck in their chambers.)

[@Rouxkat]

@@warsawpactmapping83 Noice, Well said!

[@pixsyalt]

hopefully they will fix most of the problems in the next patch in a little over a week. just some cautious optimism here

[@qwefg3]

It was sort of like the deep rock galactic community but for a shooter. Everyone friendly, everyone being idiots, but having fun together and when you died you laughed it off or shouted angrily at the bugs or bots... But you always felt motivated to grab another gun and dive down to give them payback. The communication between dev and community was even strong in the beginning... And then they kept making bad decision after bad decision. PSN network requirements... keeping the nations that got banned off the servers even when PSN was revoked. The 'community managers ' being down right toxic to the community. Then nerf, after nerf, after nerf.. with buffs applied to the enemies. At some point... the question became... am I having fun and if not... why bother playing it anymore?

[@ethanmasuda8231]

Your voice is so nice!! You reading that post hit hard and I haven’t played the game at all lmao. Going to binge the rest of your content now :D

[@Rouxkat]

@ethanmasuda8231 "make a boy blush..." oh wait, I'm to old to use the term boy on my self... #oldcreep. Thanks man, it brings me joy knowing my stuffs bring joy to others :#)

[@SEAF_Democracy_Officer]

I still enjoy helldivers, personally I believe the positives can make up for the negatives.

[@WwZa7]

It was a perfect storm, many things just happened at the same time. - They nerfed beloved fire-based weaponry right before releasing fire-based warbond, and even made the visuals on those flamethrowers so bad the CEO admited they look like from team fortress 1. - They openly said that the fire bouncing off of armor like a rubber is more realistic and expected effect. - They made a developer stream where devs were struggling on diff 5, confirming players suspitions that they are not playing their own game and are detached from player experience. - Escalation of Freedom introduced four new units, all having elements that players hated the most since day one - excessive ragdolling and no weakpoints. And then bots got too close to Super Earth. So we decided to let it burn.

[@Rouxkat]

I think that is an important observation to make... instead of it being attributed to a singular issue, that its more a series of issues that happened in close proximity. Some of which not even being related

[@D-Boy22]

I think people doesn't realize how much this toxic community response is the fault of dramatubers milking the hate hard right now. The criticism is justified, but the hate is nowhere near making sense. The devs are currently into a 60 days rework of the game, aiming to address specifically what the community are criticizing yet the playerbase act like they dropped a new nerf last Friday. The devs are extremely transparent and communicate a lot compared to any studios currently in the business and their words are being picked apart to be turned into negative. The game is still currently one of the best experience in the market yet people are raging like it's a Concord level flop. I'd be real glad to have more stuff usable in game, but the drama seekers are so vocal with this one, they drown any inch of positivity this game has.

[@truefell4858]

Totally agree, the game is not without issues and it's a relatively small devteam for such a popular project. But those so called youtube "pros" who only play shooter games where one weapon solves all problems come and tell everyone that they know what is best for the game they want this game to be(another brainless shooter) not what this game is(a complex teamplay game with various interlinked systems).

[@D-Boy22]

@@truefell4858 I mean HD2 really needs to have more weapons effective and I believe the brainless fun of shooting hords of enemies is more important than difficulty in this game. But it's true that people are asking for buffs for the sake of buffs. The rail gun for instance was incredibly busted and a must have each run. The nerf there made sense, but they need to make other guns worth running too.

[@truefell4858]

@@D-Boy22 I get what you're saying. I am all for the fun experience of shooting hordes of enemies. But there is fine line for me where primary weapon efficiency should be limited to killing chaff or medium threat enemies or there would be little to no interest in using orbitals, eagle strikes or support weapons. Sure there is bunch of weapons in need of better treatment arc weapons for example. As for support weapons: each set of them fills different roles depending on the support you need. For me current railgun works perfectly against bots allowing me to deal with devastators, hulks, gunships for my teammates providing covering fire where needed. Only thing I want here is weapon customization to install a better scope on a railgun.

[@Keyce0013]

One of the ones that really got to me (even though I don't use the weapon much at all) was the bug fix they did to fire effects that nerfed an active support weapon (the flamethrower) and a warbond that would come out only a couple days later. The thing that players were expected to shell out real money to buy if they hadn't farmed the Super Credits ahead of time, and it was killed before it even came out. I still Helldive every couple of days or so, but my enthusiasm for the game has dropped considerably and I've sunk my difficulty down from 9/10 to 5 so I get the planetary liberation points faster. Even if I'm not enjoying the game as much as I used to, I'm at least helping fellow Helldivers liberate or defend planets from the bots and bugs.

[@HansKlopek]

The game seems glitchier than ever right now

[@D-Boy22]

you haven't played on release that's for sure

[@Rob_Kankerboef]

Helldivers 2 is a lesson in how to snatch defeat from the jaws of overwhelming victory

[@Rouxkat]

@@Rob_Kankerboef let this man cook!

[@oxyyerks9849]

I've got 600 hours of pairing with randos this is my favorite game of all time and I'll never stop being a helldiver FOR DEMOCRACY

[@Rouxkat]

@@oxyyerks9849 that right there... would give a grown man tears... I saw the trailer drop yesterday for the new update, and was received VERY positively. Which means there is still Way more love for Helldivers 2 than not!

[@oxyyerks9849]

@@Rouxkat all for the love of managed democracy brother

[@tk-756brony6]

This dude’s voice and Skyrim bgm are outstanding. Super super relaxing stuff. Definitely subbing 👌

[@Rouxkat]

@@tk-756brony6 why thank you my good sir! and good ear on catching that lofi Oblivioness :-p

[@adisappointedfbiagent449]

Is that a lofi version of the Oblivion Soundtrack?

[@BunkerSquirrel]

This is heartbreaking. No winners here. Just losers

[@Rouxkat]

:,(

[@adips]

Well done !

[@ainsley_justice]

Dead on I'm not one to be "Back in the good ole days" but this is exactly the case with gaming company's now. Its driven by fast turn over on unpolished titles and when you do get a wonderful community like you describe more often than not its very unappreciated and that makes things like this situation feel even more amplified. Great Vid Rou there are 4.5k vievs on this vid show some gamer to gamer respect yall give it a like and sub .I 100% will ❤️

[@Blank55600]

The people who said those who like the nerfs are the majority are now factually wrong.

[@CountSpartula]

Its PVE there's no excuse for cruddy weapons. If the players are strong, make the enemy stronger. Power vs power, but instead the enemy becomes stronger and we become weaker. Constantly. The devs think they can dictate how we play their game, thats not your job. You provide us a goal, a frame, but otherwise your game is our tapestry.

[@Carameldontcare]

Yeah I don’t understand nerfing in a PvP game, take Elden ring for example they have nerfed weapons, but the nerfs only apply in PvP the weapons funtion normally in pve and whole point of Elden ring is to be hard, I don’t wanna play helldiver souls so why make us shoot bb pellets at giant bugs

[@CountSpartula]

@@Carameldontcare Precisely. The best struggles are between two verified badasses.

[@Alpha00Fox]

Can I get a link to that Skyrim - The Streets of Whiterun lofi version used in the background? Better yet can it be put in the description? I really liked its slow vibe

[@Mo-gc4xp]

I appreciate your anecdote about the safari business. You have a fair point that as a consumer we are looking for value, and as soon as the value isn’t there or it costs us, we move on. I think the loyalty was there at some point for Helldivers. For example, when the game first came out the huge debate was that it was pay to win. At that point the community defended the game massively, and in fact most of us willingly paid for cosmetics to support Arrowhead. However, around the time of the Sony fiasco Arrowhead revealed they knew about the upcoming changes but decided to not tell anyone. Omission of information is still lying. Nowadays, every statement is full of vague and empty promises. It seems to me that Arrowhead expected supporters to be blindly loyal, and this has backfired immensely. They are being by called out for their lies, and they have completely tarnished their reputation in my eyes.

[@drewbeirn7704]

As a player who has completed everything in HD2. I was having fun helping the lower level players. Giving them weapons and having fun with it. When my buddies were on and we did the harder difficulties we used to have a lot of "wow that was cool" or "OMG how did we survive that?" Moments. Now it's a slog fest, not fun in the least. Things that feel like they should work, or used to work don't. It's just oh look we all died again... Not even sure what happened there that killed me. Or the classic... I am shooting you... I am still shooting you... Oh you killed me... Why when the enemies get harder they hand us airsoft guns? Yea no more awesome moments with your friends or showing the new guys cool stuff it just all equally sucks...

[@jdbb3gotskills]

They lied to us about “doing better”. They lost their good will. But if they really have woken up and really are gonna put fun first. I think a bunch of people will come back to this game. I’m one of them. Also I’m not saying 450k concurrent players but a healthy number of players will come back hopefully. This game play loop is so addictive but it was missing the fun after the ridiculous nerfs.

[@sofaking1627]

Most sensitive playerbase ever

[@sparhawk2195]

The community managers mouthing off were huge red flags. And then all the nerfs before even the sony account fiasco. If you stayed after that point then you deserved to be disapointed.

[@Rouxkat]

@@sparhawk2195 scary if you can almost pin point the moment of disconnect from the Devs and their Community

[@Bangcat]

Its a lot more than them costing us something. It's an issue that they said they were doing this, that, and the other thing,a nd not much was happening. And every time a new promise or reasoning game, it began to be blindingly evident, it was not going to have a genuine action with it. the big hit came with how they said they wouldn't be looking to nerf things wildly, and that a lesson was learned, and how it knew it needed to push more towards fun than balance, and then a screaming amount of nerfing, and things that made no sense not only in explanation of not realizing how flame throwers worked right the first time, but bizarely bounced off of shelves like bouncing ball bearings, and the killing of so many effects and fun that nerfing flame right before the flame war bond.... just...oi.... how can you even go that route with a sane mind? Run on sentences aside, promises were broken, claims of 'testing' were pretty terrible in efforts, and even I talked to them about what they could really use is separate paid testers. And all that someone could tell me is that such a position doesn't exist. And I kinda told them that may be part of the problem. the industry has been getting people to pay them for the chance to do their work for them, and giving only so much back. I have been a paid beta tester past, and I can tell you that having devs do it all themselves, they suffer from, my little girl can't do wrong, syndrome. Paid testers that have to be heard out has almost always yielded better results. Because they're paid they have a job to do, a promise fully made, and with a pay off other than the 'privilege' of doing work for no return. Other than maybe knowing whats coming before a few others do. And the reality is, there's ways to get leaks for that now. Especially when the company themselves seems to accidentally let the stuff get leaked, or on purpose leaked, regularly. They have a chance still to turn it around, but they can't afford any more excuses. they were even warned what SM2 was going to do to player counts, then we hear again of how they're bummed. Imagine how we feel who paid our money in and dedicated so much time, even when the rewards were utterly bottlenecked. Something that could be cap raised real simply by changing a number value in where the stored up currency of samples and money could easily be risen. The 17th needs to yield big results, and the next time they're caught really not listening, likely will be the end if it happens again this or next year. Which would be a shame because the bones of the thing, the ideals, the ragdoll crazy fun it grants, all it really needed to do was make for ongoing situations, not nerf the hell out of fun weapons, keep kicking out fun weapons, even if not perfectly balanced, they just had to be capable, and get things fixed. New visual design and meshing could be handled by new hires pretty well and in this day and age, fairly quickly. Getting the promised capes out, screw their understanding of the countries situation, though we wont forget those either, the cape isn't fully tied to that alone. Release it or be seen as another cover up lie. But lets hope this 17th wields a lot of those promises. And that ongoing, as claimed, more is coming. And if SONY is indeed really much to blame on matters, then break ties, found another studio if you have too, openly drop what SONY did in those times, and move on, and do similar yet different again. If they could see Games Workshop shape up, put out another Space Marine stomping game, have some vehicles, maybe do something like the old StarWars Battlefront games and yet keep the physics of bodies getting slapped into and over walls and the chaos of debries knocking people out, that could go a long long way. But yeah yeah, no one wants to read all this. But we've been along for a long haul hearing this and that over and over again. I dare to give em another shot though, cuz ultimately now I think in some ways how the game moved, played past, the crazy things that could happen, how right the vibes felt, there's something special that would be a shame to see go under and stay gone so fast.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Well, one of the few times I am glad I missed out on something. Space Marine 2 is an absolute blast, though.

[@BlargFlargRlarg23]

To me, your anecdote about the safari businesses really hits the difficult spot Arrowhead is in. I don't know what some part of the player base will ever be happy with the changes to the game, nerfs or buffs or otherwise. I think a LOT of gamers have no idea how game balancing works, what is actually fun for a game, and how long game development can take. (60 days is pretty break neck for a small studio) There are over 35+ weapons in the game, other 35+ Stratagems to call down, 10 levels of difficult, and two unique enemy factions at the moment. The game has been out for all of 2018 days (released February 8, 2024). I'm not gonna claim AH has made all the right steps with the game, but they have been way more responsive and transparent than so many big studios that are all about the micro transactions and season passes and random IP crossover gimmicks. I do hope the crashes get fixed. And I hope the balance changes get people to calm down. The game is still fun. I'm still diving.

[@Rouxkat]

@@BlargFlargRlarg23 True that!

[@Harvest133]

most of the changes they said they are doing are done by adjusting some numbers in a spread. It could literally be done in one day. Their code got leaked and code monkeys have pointed this out. Most modern devs excessively pad out their projected dev time because they are afraid to take risk and face accountability for failing. So tasks that take a couple days now take "a few weeks".

[@BlargFlargRlarg23]

@@Harvest133 Even if the changes to damage were as easy as adjusting a spreadsheet, that's ignoring all the other steps that go into making a change in the game, much less a giant update patch. There's playtesting, model adjustments, debugging. Game devs don't just pick a random number to increase damage and mag size by. Face accountability? That's what the 60 day plan has been about. They're facing plenty for all this.

[@deltanaruto100]

500+ hrs. It feels more like a chore than passion for the game now.

[@Rouxkat]

@@deltanaruto100 that is quite a feat, I'm not gonna lie

[@deltanaruto100]

@@Rouxkat yeah hitting every major order or pushing planets was my thing. But the whole value behind it feels pretty unrewarding these past few months.

[@InspiringBard]

I'm going to have to get a space marine coverup for my helldivers tattoo.

[@Rouxkat]

@@InspiringBard x-D

[@pubcle]

This became pretty obviously coming within a few weeks after release. The mods, which the studio supported & kept employed, explicitly stated desires to abuse their authority & the PSN systems in order to attack players & remove them from the game. By the second update it was clear they were hostile to what the fans enjoyed & wanted to force their idea of how to play no matter what else was there. It just became increasingly obvious the devs did not like the fans, did not like the players, did not want the players to succeed, etc. They were not prepared for this scale of game nor were the vast majority on the team willing to talk to the fan base.

[@D-Boy22]

I'm not sure where you saw all that but everything you said is completely false. I don't understand how you constructed this narrative for yourself.

[@StradZarovich]

I’d change my review but at this point it would be for the third time. I love the game but I don’t want to look like a fool. That’s Arrowhead’s fault. My review sits as is. Sorry.

[@Error-mn4el]

the combination of horrible balancing, literally no testing leading to massive bugs, outside controversies (PSN linking, furry art being protected from any negativity at all costs by the discord mods etc.) lead to this, most people understand that a small team with unexpected success cant fix everything at once, so we waited, and waited, and waited, and time and again they showed that they dont test anything, of course they cant fix all the bugs if they constantly add new ones, if something doesnt work and you cant fix it just dont add it, why the fuck did they insist on adding untested content to the game is beyond me, I mean Jesus Christ they fixed an event mission after the event was already finished, literally throwing time away, anti-tank mines are or were worthless against tank enemies and can be triggered by everything which is not "realistic" as the devs love this word, of course realism only matters if its an inconvienience to the player, otherwise things can be unrealistic following the development of the game has been so frustrating its unreal

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

The games nerfs and bugs plus the issues with fire are what made me stop playing however I am not coming back because of the woke people running their discord into the ground. The community managers on their discord were banning people for not liking Furry content. Also just being woke in general and so I've had enough of that kind of behavior from game devs and now I just stick to older games and indie. I got Xbox Live working on my Original Xbox and so now I can play Halo 2 and Mechassault online again instead until liberty improves.

[@Degarth]

Technically, the discord mod was threatening to ban people (and allegedly did ban some people) for vomit reacting to furry fan art not for not liking it, but yeah, that was bullcrap. The mod was Tamburger wit Cheese. But Discord mods are usually not employees of the studios. The bigger issue for Arrowhead has been their knee-jerk reaction to balancing without testing.

[@GameBoy-hd2eg]

That has literally nothing to do with the quality of the game. Thank god you're taking a break from it because if this is what's getting you pissed you need to touch grass.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@@GameBoy-hd2eg Who said it was getting me pissed lol? Someone's projecting, I don't care about their game anymore because they said they didn't want people like me playing it. I don't have problems with other people they have issues with me just because of how I was born, that's your problem not mine.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@@Degarth They still work for them and saying you don't want you game to be political and then hiring them to run your discord and allowing them to act like that was just hypocritical. I also think that if they fired them for it then the reaction from the fellow grass avoiders would just cause more controversy for the game... Community Managers do talk with eachother from studio to studio.

[@Inkinred]

@@TheStrayHALOMANit’s crazy that those mods end up being mods in the first place. Seems like it’s inviting disaster. Now that mods like that are in place, I’m sure if they were let go from the mod position, they’d/them’d would likely flame the entire company and community for propagating “supposed” hate.

[@brigandboy1425]

Same shit, different update.

[@IkeMcKike]

Connection issues are what made me put the game down for awhile.. I just can't finish a mission anymore. Sucks hope they fix that on the 17th. I would like to play 😢

[@M3l_0N666]

Hardly experienced bugs, i just put it down because of the shitty nerfs. Waiting for them to fix it. Till then ill be playin Space Marine 2

[@MrHocotateFreight]

Even when they try to fix the issue, they hamfist the solution instead of LISTENING TO THE DAMN COMMUNITY Thicfila Made an entire dev document about the issue, detailed everything! JUST COPY+PASTE IT Now we're gonna swing to the other side of the pendulum where things are so simple it's just boring!

[@TarsonTalon]

The narcissists lure you in with a good experience, then pull the rug out from you and run away with the money.

[@bigfckingbug10k45]

I pretty sure a normal person can get greedy

[@Gronnrag]

"Entrepreneur" isn't english, it's french.

[@Rouxkat]

@@Gronnrag Well now you're telling me something. Wonder if it's the whatever the French equivalent is for "Anglicism" where the word just got adapted to english. don't know if there is another word to describe it in english

[@shrillcrayfish6168]

Probably not enough. Lgbtqxyz123 chromosomes

[@Parmesan.314]

What the hell are you talking about

[@thomaspesquet2389]

Crydivers, think that s only the 0skill guy who cry. Noobs cry and try to kill the game.

[@LUPIPUPI1]

What an unfocused video. Horrible takes.

[@Rouxkat]

@LUPIPUPI1 This is the type of feedback I need. Finally, I think I have my sound balance in an acceptable state, so the visuals are my next priority would indeed be my visuals. I'll get there ;-)

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

Bunch of noobs complaining about gun nerfs