Helldivers 2 STILL Hasn't Figured It Out...

[@LtBuzzLitebeer]

▶▶All the information is out there. Will Arrowhead use it or lose it?◀◀ discord.gg/RNeJA8cVqb www.patreon.com/ltbuzzlitebeer www.twitch.tv/ltbuzzlitebeer www.youtube.com/@LtBuzzLitebeer twitter.com/LtBuzzLitebeer Official Buzz Merch - buzzs-boutique.creator-spring.com Helldivers 2 on Twitter x.com/helldivers2 Patrik Lasota Balancing Blog www.arrowheadgamestudios.com/2024/03/balancing-the-firepower-in-helldivers-2/ Steam Player Counts steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/ 💻►Helldivers Companion Site Link Here - helldiverscompanion.com 🎮►Helldivers 2 on Steam - store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/ CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro 1:28 - From GOTY To Just Holding On... 2:57 - The Future Concern 3:51 - It Turns Out Players Want Powerful Weapons?! 4:58 - The First Signs...The META 3 6:39 - We Were Meant To Be Weak? 7:56 - This Was The Pebble That Sparked An Avalanche 9:07 - More Fixes, MEH Warbonds & Malevelon Creek 9:52 - Watch What Players Do, NOT What They Say... 10:47 - 200K Players Lost As Devs Fuel The Rage 12:24 - April Deserves Some Love 13:19 - Buffs, Free Gifts & Community Lore Equals More Players! 14:15 - The Player Count Nose Dive Continues... 15:11 - April's Final Patch Was A Mess! 15:58 - SONY Didn't Start The Fire...It Was Already There 16:20 - May Was Not Good To The Divers 17:30 - 12 Million Copies Sold & A New CEO And Nearly 100K! 18:27 - Saving The Kids And The Build Up To Escalation... 19:46 - Full Scale Revolt And Promises To Rework The Game 20:35 - Unscripted Thoughts On The Game's Direction... 22:23 - Hit SUBSCRIBE & Drop A Comment!kzbin.infogaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u25c0.png

[@litobrigante1413]

Lose it. I don't wanna be that guy but AH reminds me of that one Donkey cutaway when it comes to player feedback. I honestly hope Im wrong

[@tonyyang1024]

Is there a possibility that they are just controlling the player count, such that server maintenance fees can go down?

[@LtBuzzLitebeer]

@@tonyyang1024 I mean, anything is possible. Do you think they are that hurting for money?

[@superiornicholas412]

How many times are you gonna farm this fucking topic?

[@ironboy3245]

@@LtBuzzLitebeer like literally the community is doing their work for them. ThiccFilA spent 9 hours on stream rebalancing primary weapons alone and has a whole ass google doc they can copy from...

[@michaelmcauliffe2985]

"We want this game to be more realistic" :We can't pick up enemies' weapons. We can't take control of the walkers the enemies use, and we can not kill one enemy silently without every other enemy on the map knowing where we are. Flamethrowers can not stager enemies, and two cactuses can kill a mech suit. Yeah, realistic my ass

[@duncanharrell5009]

They want a realistic game but want Super Earth to be an insane regime that needs to SUPER GLUE turrets together and gives their Super Destroyer crews Hand Carts as an upgrade… Devs, STOP THE REALSITIC SHIT!

[@spectredeadgaming7874]

DUDE my FIRST time I took a walker out I tried to mount it but nope. I wasn’t disappointed BUT I would’ve been so amazed if we can commandeer the walkers. All they’d really be is a mobile unarmored laser turret. And those chicken walkers are so weak they wouldn’t have to patch a thing

[@Dorado35]

its stupid to focus on realism anyway, fighting bug aliens and sentient robots

[@TookyG]

"Realism for thee, not for me." - AH probably.

[@Fullmetal_christo]

Don’t forget to immerse in realism: you can’t even jump. 😂

[@billybats3244]

Next they’re gonna tell us “because of the running away meta we’ve decided to slow down the sprint speed by 50% but if you hold a teammates hand you get a 10% boost”

[@oceanbytez847]

I mean at that point it would just be a dying constantly meta. None of the guns work which is why running away and stealth meta spike a 8 amd up.

[@tootles7622]

Funny I'm pretty sure they nerfed players speed by a bit in that last patch,My boys and I have felt like we've been slower

[@KTHEDEVASTATOR]

To cure players running away they need it either rework mission format or change enemy behavior to take notice of loners and punish them

[@tomokisakurai3997]

@@tootles7622so it's not just me like I swear my guy runs so slow and it happens when I'm being swarmed by either bots or bugs (mostly bugs cause at least with bots there's cover)

[@IB34041]

​@@tootles7622 the last time I played it did feel like my guy was running slow. I chalked it up to me being rusty, but it's "comforting" to hear that others noticed this as well.

[@rrem8332]

Fast forward 6 months. There is only one player who still plays Helldivers 2 left named Shakespeare. He only plays solo on level 5 because he can't find any other players to join with because he is the last player left. They AH devs notice that 100% of the players are using one single type of weapons load out. Shakespeare has all his current weapons load out castrated into uselessness, something he has experienced multiple times by now. Finally unable to take it anymore, Shakespeare pours his remaining strength into a piece of writing called "Arrowhead and Shakespeare" and sends it to AH. The writing is a masterpiece. It shows raw hatred, revenge, pure unadulterated emotion and the true nature of despair. CEO of AH releases a statement: "I love how the Helldivers 2 community loves this game so much to be so emotional, it's so much better than not caring!" Shakespeare is so distressed he kills himself and the active player count of Helldivers 2 drops to zero. The devs and CEO of AH, who had been feeding on negative emotional energy of thousands, are finally starved to the point of desperation, and retreat to the far northern mountains of Sweden to join Grendel, hiding deep within a mountain cave, where they will sleep for a 1000 years.

[@Haha-v2j]

That escalated

[@terrymoose7273]

This is canon.

[@Skrimpinboss]

What the fuck are you evens saying? Take a break from the Internet for a while bud.

[@justjoking5252]

My favorite copypasta to come out of this debacle, lol

[@Ixaglet]

"Man it's just so hard to know what to do" "STOP NERFING WEAPONS" "It's truly a mystery, what do players even want?" "STOP NERFING THE GOD DAMN WEAPONS" "It's like, literally impossible to figure out how to connect with the players and listen to them" "JFC STOP NERFING WEAPONS" "I'VE GOT IT YOU GUYS! LET'S NERF WEAPONS AND BUFF THE ENEMIES!!" *Uninstalls and plays deep rock galactic instead

[@stephen6503]

Literally a carbon copy of 'where's the cheese?' *its under the sauce* 'there's no cheese on it' *its under the sauce*

[@Kuldirongaze1]

Exactly, they have all the feedback they need. They just don't want to act on it.

[@LaserTractor]

The answer is clear sadly. They hear you, they just don't want to give you what you want. They have their vision and their gigantic EGO that can't be cool with the fact that players sometimes know better. No. They will keep on pushing their "vision" like a bulldozer because they are certain that THEY KNOW BETTER and no one else!

[@DrakeLord213]

@@LaserTractor Honestly? This entire debacle made me reinstall Deep Rock Galactic. Just night and day between devs who listen (DRG) and those who clearly are just circlejerking themselves in their discord (Arrowhead).

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

​@@DrakeLord213 I am amazed at how any game that'd be serious competition to DRG shoots itself in the foot and dies.

[@Carpatheon.]

The fact that a game could go from the Best game of the year, to needing a 60 day plan to try and save it is amazing. The plan is not hard, give the players what they want, not what you think the should want.

[@deaux4825]

true

[@richardcobbs8603]

yep, make every gun one shot and make the game easy mode, i cant wait

[@chrisgilmour5893]

Exactly. I don't think Arrowhead actually know why their game was so successful. Now they're balancing for the sake of balancing, probably because it's something that, as a game dev you are "meant" to do. It feels like they don't even play their game, as they make changes that suck the fun out of it.

[@AshySlashy13]

@@richardcobbs8603yea, I’m sure that’s exactly what he’s asking for. Let’s just take everything to the extreme. There’s no way he’s just asking for the junk weapons to be buffed to be on par with the “superior” weapons instead of nerfing the better weapons.

[@nomad1303]

​@richardcobbs8603 there weapons balancing is wild the spray and pray not only does less damage then incendiary breaker but also doesn't light enemies on fire. Like why not just switch the damage values.

[@Cidhighwind83]

I want them to go with the motto "Always outnumbered but never outgunned" That's how you make it fun chaos+firepower=Win

[@daedbymusic]

Agree

[@WispOfWar]

“We noticed firepower was being overused so we decided to ‘tweak’ the numbers. Goodluck!” -Arrowhead

[@ssgogeta29]

This should be painted in bold letters in every room at Arrowhead. Buffs > Nerfs

[@Sorain1]

That's part of why EDF works. Your weapons are so absurdly powerful, with enormous magazines and no ammo cap, just magazines. (Or batteries.) The Air Raider's equivalent of Stratagems (even in their higher cost forms in EDF 6 relative to 5) are powerful, available and directly cool down faster based on team kill rates. Imagine that. The insane hordes and massive monsters/machines still feel daunting and your still very squishy, but even through your an eggshell, your an eggshell with a heavy bolter.

[@Cidhighwind83]

@@Sorain1 To save our mother Earth from any alien attack From vicious giant insects who have once again come back We'll unleash all our forces We won't cut them any slack The E.D.F deploys! Ps. I also play EDF so yep I'm all with you. xD

[@AmalgamaniacGaming]

You know what’s funny? When they think “meta-breaking”, their first thought was NERFING the “go to” weapons to make them equally UNdesirable… instead of BUFFING crappy guns to make them actual contenders in the weapon selection process. After ALL the player feedback, they’re still confused why people aren’t satisfied (and don’t try to bring up the dev’s comments saying “we hear you and we agree”. If that were the case, it wouldn’t keep happening)

[@arc00ta]

Many devs do this, they're just too arrogant and believe they are smarter than everyone else.

[@wackywarrior001]

Bad designer always do this, it’s so easy to buff the power of the under performers and in this game that has a difficulty slider should be a no brainer , the devs are a disgrace . It seems they made a popular game by accident and their ego is making them correct that “mistake “

[@jujupants2486]

By nerfing the meta, they create a new meta. If they don't want a meta, which is nearly impossible, then make the other guns not complete dogshit. Some loadouts are just better at certain things than others. Ammo types have different strengths for different enemies but regardless, they should all be viable for a certain playstyle. Now if someone chooses to go all small arms fire to clear waves of smaller enemies, that's fine. If the whole team does that and nobody took anti-tank weaponry, then they can suffer.

[@nyghtfal]

Don’t worry, they said they heard us and give time to cook. They know best since they created the game, so next patch another round of nerfs to make us feel heard 🥴 removed armor pen from game, now all primary/support weapons deal 0 damage against heavily armored targets. NOWWW we cant say its not balanced since everything sucks

[@Avx829]

@@wackywarrior001 They did make a popular game by accident. They weren't expecting to have this many players. They honestly thought they would have a few thousand like in HD1

[@ZBM2]

Players have been asking for BUFFS over NERFS since release. They don't care what the players actual want, they are just looking for an echo chamber to praise them.

[@neziaojuara1768]

That's what discord is quicly becoming, most people who cared have already left.

[@richardcobbs8603]

the games supposed to be hard you dultz, not a walk in the park

[@EarthPrime52]

​It can be hard while giving people a variety of weapons to use rather than taking down the ones they use regularly. Make weapons more appealing, not nerf stuff ​@@richardcobbs8603

[@180fJC]

It was already hard before the nerfs, but it also gave us some serious satisfaction when we did a mission flawlessly.​@@richardcobbs8603

[@Metaldude-th1rte3n]

⁠@@richardcobbs8603you absolute genius of a man. Nobody needs to tell ya that the statement that players need to get gud is stupid and it ain’t helping you or the game. Drg is a hard game but the weapons and gear actually feel impactful and usefu.

[@IAmNumber4000]

It really doesn't make sense when they say they need to "Rethink the game itself". The game was CLEARLY designed to be a one-man-army horde shooter from the start. It's almost like they had some other studio make the game. Lol

[@DragonReaver]

You can't convince me that they didn't contract hire out the development of the game to another team. On release the game was amazing, besides the technical issues and Armour bugs, and a lot of the weapons needed buffs because they were not that good, but the game was amazing and I played it nonstop for an entire week, then off on on until the insane amount of nerfs and game breaking technical issues that were not in the game at launch. It is not the same game, and does not even seem like the same vision that initial launch had.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

They probably did.

[@cccbbbaaa110]

Didn't the game get exposed using old engine from fatshark (who made darktide and vermitide) at launch? I am now convinced they outsourced the whole game to fatshark when they made the game.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

as far as I can tell they want a teamwork based horde shooter, the backpack buddy reload shows that, except the backpack buddy reload is clunky at best while all the buddy guns are .... well inept to say the least

[@shadowsketch926]

@@cccbbbaaa110 not fatshark, Autodesk. Its an old ass engine from the company Autodesk that has been discontinued for over 8 years now

[@Citizen13]

Let’s not forget those first few weeks when player armor rating was not working at all, we were surviving longer with armor ratings not functioning than with functioning heavy armor after they “fixed armor ratings”

[@Subject19-b6b]

That armor fix came with I think a 200% damage modifier to headshots and since Helmets don't have stats that's 2 Hunter jumps to the head worth of bullshit

[@Tamachii12]

They pulled their usual bullcrap, they fixed armor ratings and gave enemies the capacity to headshot us, thus making hunters that always pounces and hits you from above deadlier, they tightened bot spread so they are way too accurate at distance, it is always giving more to enemies than to helldivers.

[@Rexhunterj]

@@Tamachii12 Enemies could always headshot you since launch, they doubled the damage multiplier of headshot hits for enemies to players. That is why people suddenly started experiencing getting one tapped by a stalker or a hunter.

[@Lewapolis]

@@Subject19-b6bbingo

[@Violet-my5jq]

Typical arrowhead always try to double down on shit and think no one notice / care, like what happen with the AT vs Charger start with 2 shot to 1 shot and than introduce behemoth charger it become 2 shot again that so fucking stupid.

[@VanAllenVlogs]

From GOTY to just dropping the ball….

[@baltogames1501]

Not just dropping it, but slam-dunking it into the trashcan.

[@clay180]

The game isnt dying. Go outside and come back when there are some updates that you can whine about some more.

[@fortsquidward04]

The only way this game is gonna come back is if they get a few good updates and hopefully to get those banned countries unbanned otherwise this game will probably just stay at around 30k and eventually just keep dropping.

[@Moljofeis]

@clay180 ok fanboy

[@randomcast3183]

​@clay180 likes the sound of his own voice in that echo chamber.

[@xathlak]

Love the idea that players will just let the enemies take super earth. That's such a poetic way to throw it back in the devs faces.

[@nightshadeii9248]

When I play a game, I shouldn’t feel as though the game itself is fighting against me. The enemies want me dead, the weapons work _against_ me, the stratagems unalive me, and the devs hate me. There’s no reason to play.

[@Sujad]

Arrowhead is a cooperative company. Cooperative businesses are a communist's take on what a business should be. They have a massive failure rate and Helldivers 2 is probably the only real successful product a cooperative has created and that looks to be more a fluke than than anything else.

[@heartcorexcaseyy]

yep. stopped playing back in may when bots got insanely buffed and shortly after gunships dropped. i like to play games to relax or escape reality, not games that make me unnecessarily furious

[@FarleyRace]

Arrowhead: It's a mil-sim. It's gotta be realistic. Automatons: Tanks climbing pillars at almost 90° angles and Factory Striders doing the same but with way more jank and model tearing. Patrols walking in, on, and around landmasses and firing from within while protected by said ground. - totally realistic -

[@reaper_exd7498]

The game is about humans bein shot into a planet and living..... that's the core premise. So real.

[@primalwerewolf8424]

If the 500kg bomb was realistic, it would be a MUCH bigger and USEFUL kaboom

[@Saicofake]

Bots shooting through rocks, walls but the players can’t. Truly a mil-sim experience.

[@Shinransa]

@@primalwerewolf8424 Yeah the visual of the 500kg does not reflect it's actual explosion... I've stopped using it almost entirely after the initial four months of playing with it and not getting kills I clearly should get if it was "realistic"

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

The word they're looking for is "immersive" and a game can still be immersive and have powerful weapons to play around with.

[@SpenserEmory]

As a small business owner in the hospitality sector, I can certainly vouch for the concept of giving the customer what they want. You might have an initial idea and concept; however, if the community wants something a bit different or likes a specific aspect of your business, lean into that and enbrace what you're creating. Devs seem to be playing an ego game with themselves.

[@Riaining7]

It's elitism. They want to be a great studio, but don't want to do what it takes to be great: listening to what the players want, and delivering what the players didn't realize they actually wanted! They need a creative lead that is willing to tell their "Friends at work" that their ideas aren't right, and that they should do something else. It's hard to be direct like this when the people under you are more your friends than your colleagues... I think that's one of the issues at the studio.

[@PsygnsGames]

unfortunately no, its just an exit scam

[@raylessneptune451]

Like Subnautica. They didn’t even want it to be a horror game at first, then everyone started saying they should add huge ass underwater creatures to make it scarier, and they did. They when they did less of that in Subnautica Below Zero, and it wasn’t as well received. It’s almost as if consumers know what they want.

[@Riaining7]

@@raylessneptune451 You're right. The people do know what they like. But they also like to be surprised pleasantly. It's hard to accomplish both, but when a studio can do it, they win big time customer loyalty.

[@chkpik]

@@Riaining7 That's my assessment as well.

[@TravisStockton]

Fixing hd2 would take 20 minutes. 1 fire alexis. 2 revert to version 1.0. 3 add all the new weapons/enemies/missions

[@noelahg79]

This.

[@andrewdavis4264]

This. Make this post explode.

[@louiskitching8806]

If they actually cared they would do this lol they don't give a rat's a$$ what players actually want its just more lip service from sh*thead oh sorry I mean arrowhead

[@The_Diginaut]

@@andrewdavis4264 is that a terrorist threat?!

[@GnarledStaff]

That is some quality satire right there.

[@powerblaster9001]

This last nerf just hit different. I will never ever understand why they nerfed fun things instead of buffing underused things.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Because they’re stupid and incompetent. It’s no real mystery. They ACCIDENTALLY made a great game and are doing their best to patch it into a mediocre one.

[@onerimeuse]

Because what made them "fun" is those weapons broke the game? 😮 You can't just have a gun 2 tapping enemies thst have a specific design. And bringing everything up to that power level to try and match it just means there'd be zero challenge at all. Oooooooog, but that's what you whiners want, isn't it? God forbid a game asks you to keep your brains engaged to play. 😏

[@adamplevey8385]

This isn't a hell divers specific comment but ever since developers started using algorithms and spreadsheets to get their playerbase to log in and click a button every day for a daily reward or do a boring task ( sucks the fun right outta the game for me) they abandoned the idea of making me want to log on to have fun.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@onerimeuse Enjoy your dead game, kiddo. This isn't the first game to die from nerfing the fun out of a game for "balance" and it won't be the last. I've already uninstalled and moved on. I'm just here to laugh at Arrowhead's incompetence and brainlets like you that dick-ride them.

[@yukioacumora4430]

Let's ignorr hoe thry buffed slugger and laser weapons today and buffed 120 barrage to be actually useful He'll yeah I love this whiney community that can't even see thr improvements that we do get

[@tucana0991]

As a casual player with 130hrs in the game, I played this game after work usually at level 6-7 difficulty. The game scratched an itch that no other game could. I can’t play fps games as I do not have the time to invest into actually getting good. This game was a good drop in and drop out type of game for me. The nerfs really bother me because I don’t play this game to stress out and micromanage my ammo, I play this game to destress from my actual job/live. Me and my wife actually loved this game. Sadly looks like we’ll be moving onto another game. These devs are so clueless. Whoever is in charge of the balancing needs to be replaced. This game has so much potential.

[@telarr9164]

This was my experience with HD2 as well - something to have some fun with after work, not my 2nd job or life's calling. When your fun becomes a chore it's time to move on.

[@celphalonred1999]

Literally THIS. also it's been known since they nerfed the railgun, but the lead of balance team is hated by everyone because he destroyed another game with nothing but nerfs, then dipped in the end, and is now nerfing everything in thid game, killing it's playercount. I think the game he worked on was..hello neighbor or some shit

[@SonicChaocc]

I recommend Deep Rock Galactic. Buy the base game, dlc is just cosmetic.

[@telarr9164]

@@SonicChaocc haha that does look pretty fun

[@erikcrawford1505]

may i suggest a game series called Earth Defence Force. similar concept, but they literally don’t care about weapon balance, because it doesn’t matter. you’re fighting a legally distinct godzilla, use the op gun.

[@baltogames1501]

Days into the 60-day plan, and they've decided to double the speed at which the Titanic is approaching the iceberg. Brilliant!

[@TheRyleeFella]

its been 3 days….

[@BurningSkullboy]

​The entire point of this video is that they should already know how to bring players back. They dont need a damn 60 day plan for that unless they are incompetent or seriously clueless. But thats okay though....the longer they take the worse it gets. A point of no return is coming. ​@@TheRyleeFella

[@Enforcer_WJDE]

You can have a 365 day plan or even a 10 year plan and you still won't satisfy the loud minority.

[@thefilmdirector1]

@@TheRyleeFella it takes exactly 1 second to revert to the pre nerf build of the game. No excuses for these dog shit devs. Go bootlick in the discord, you wont find any supporters here.

[@sourdough283]

It’ll sink regardless. Might as well get it over with.

[@RicK-rx7hj]

Arrowhead "We are trying to make the game better" translation " You will play our game the way we want you to play it or you should just go away" players " bye hope to never see you again"

[@thisnamewerx0350]

TY for expressing my opinion without me having to type it out.

[@ladislavtrojan8765]

Sadly tho, they are now wondering, why people dont play it anymore... Being oblivious worked So long tho.

[@earnestbennett7203]

Yup. Played for a few weeks after launch then shelved it, hoping they would let it finish baking. Came back a couple months later, not only still broken in the same ways, but way less enjoyable. Uninstall, probably not gonna bother with Arrowhead again.

[@DarukaEon]

When you put it this way, you know what this sounds like? Blizzard devs at Blizzcon. 😅

[@violet_paladin]

@@ladislavtrojan8765 they thought the "difficulty" of the game would attract a hardcore sweat fanbase, but the problem is the difficulty is artificial. and theyre scared of players winning matches. they take it as a personal insult. nerfing weapons for being "too reliable" is a smooth brain move i couldnt ever see coming

[@SpaceMuffin-el5pg]

As the lead balancing developer for Arrowhead studios Alexus Kravchenko is the one who lets nerf and buff changes be finalized. They are the one who gets the final say and even directs what the changes will be. If we want a real shift from spreadsheet balancing to fun balancing then get rid of Alexus. Here's from the Hello Neighbor 2 wiki about his previous actions: "Alexus Kravchenko was the former lead game designer of Hello Neighbor 2. Working his way up from level designer of the unreleased Alpha 2, to the lead designer of the Beta and full release, he left the team right before the game came out. He removed the game's open world aspects as he said "No one would want to walk around an open world", and instead used a map labelled as a 'testmap' in the files for the full game. Alexus said that this map was in a twitch leak from tinyBuild community manager Ira, but he lied, claiming that this was not the final map. He actively removed features from the game, such as hiding under beds and certain AI tricks, as he didn't like "One-Time Gimmicks" which was a big part of the first game. When asked about the Neural Network advertised in the 2021 AI Trailer for the game, he said it was coming and then left the team, possibly to avoid further questions. Nowadays, Kravchenko, somehow, sadly and very suprisingly, has been hired by a different game studio, and is ready to cause more ruin to other games."

[@yukioacumora4430]

Lmfao Pilestadt the cco is the one who finalizes these things, actually learn about the studio and what they communicate rather than just rage bait.

[@Shinransa]

"Dragovich... Kravchenko... Steiner... These 'men' must die" - Victor Reznov in Black Ops 1 If I had a nickel for every time a bad guy was named "Kravchenko" I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@cccbbbaaa110]

​@@yukioacumora4430hi alexus u mad?

[@williameckhart8263]

​@@yukioacumora4430still everyone would have more hope for things to get better if Alexus would've been out. He just needs to go

[@tonymarino8]

Here's how you save the game 1. Buff weapons 2. Add modifications to weapons 3. Give the helmet's functionality. Thermal, night vision... 4. Reduce ragdoll 5. Better rewards for extracts 6. Reduce cooldown for all Stratagems. 7. Fix the goddamn cactus. 8. Make bugs more realistic when hurt by weapons, fire, electricity 9. No more nerfs unless it's gamebreaking 10. Leaderboards.

[@mentoss2197]

Doubt that leaderboards will be good but yeah this

[@PiKangNa]

Never been a mil-sim. Im talking from perspective of 5000+ hrs on ArmA3 here. There is almost no mil-sim setting in the game since the launch. And the dude who made the original gunplay in Helldivers are not in studio anymore. I believe he quit just before launch. Instead we have that guy from Hello Neighbour 2 doing the balance. Its almost history repeat itself.

[@timvoorhees8102]

lmao seriously, i mean how tf does a dude not experienced in coop shooters given the job over literally anyone else in the industry

[@reaper_exd7498]

Arguing realism in a game where the premise is reinforcing regiments by firing the soldiers from orbit. Smart, real smart.

[@featurelength5086]

@@reaper_exd7498Arrowhead keeps bringing it up- they say it's unrealistic for small squads of soldiers to mow down tons of enemies with just their rifles and shotguns and they're right. But then they "realistically" nerf all the players' stuff, including the stratagems and support weapons they keep telling us to use. Meanwhile, we can't pick up enemy equipment if we run out. We can't commandeer enemy vehicles even if we snipe the pilot without scratching the paint. We dump our partial reloads on the ground when a real soldier would get his ass blasted for wasting the army's money like that- where's our drop bag full of all the half-empty magazines we should be keeping?

[@CausticSpace]

Agree, this game doesn’t hold a candle to Arma or even low level milsims like Squad or Hell Let Loose. Utter bullshit excuse and an insult to milsim games imo to what they are implying

[@wooba1207]

Me and my friends LOVED this game and had so much fun with it. But then they decided the game was only for the Hardcore and drove us out. If progression wasn't tied to doing the higher level missions, we wouldn't have cared. But we didn't want to bust our balls constantly to get Super Samples, so instead we just moved on. I know we'd come back if we heard the game was fun again, and that there were so many good an viable weapons to use. We just want to chill and play games, not stress over 5 chargers and 3 Bile Titans on our asses at all times while Hunters swat at our cheeks.

[@LtBuzzLitebeer]

@@wooba1207 I hear you. 👍

[@sabertx3273]

Thats whats keeping me from playing again: the sample grind. Between progression of upgrades being locked by super samples, super samples only being available on really hard difficulty levels, and being able to lose samples in moments has left me with "why bother"? Why bother spending 20 minutes getting samples and trying not to lose them while trying to help my team only to lose that progress at the last second.

[@damd]

It just needs to be fun. Nerfing weapons to a non-PvP game is unintelligent. Buffing unused weapons is a much better idea.

[@Mac_Mayne_ATL]

That's what I'm screaming... b8ts not pvp so why nerf weapons

[@Lgion-jp5uy]

@@Mac_Mayne_ATL fair point. However, arrowhead recieved a complaint from bot troopers and bug scavengers stating that the helldivers were 1-shotting them too much, so in accordance with this "feedback" the devs had to make it so we wouldn't be able to do so anymore...

[@reservoirfrogs2177]

Literally

[@ladislavtrojan8765]

Sorry, there are like 10 weapons used And 40 that never had been used.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

​@@ladislavtrojan8765the 10 were somewhat viable but the 40 were useless unless you wanted an extra challenge

[@locke4642]

Imagine pulling a Hello Neighbor not once, not twice, but three times and getting away with it.

[@thisnamewerx0350]

If only the hello neighbor backstory got as much attention as their CE..oh wait, i mean New PR department's hollow corpo speak posts get

[@samuraitadpole5459]

Hopefully this teaches game companies to focus on their employee's work

[@RottenFilmProduction]

Imagine seeing what happened to Hello Neighbour 1 + 2, then thinking..."Lets higher the guy that killed those games off"...

[@superiornicholas412]

Yet you are viewing a content farm.

[@writerruned]

@@superiornicholas412 This is a helldivers 2 news type channel. last i checked there hasn't exactly been much else in news updates on the game. Side note, i find it interesting for someone that's willing to put comments on people watching repetitive content... after all, you're here too mate.

[@cody4243]

Helldrivers Launch Community: omg this game is amazing! Get the boys on we’re killing bugs!!! Arrowhead: We see you millions of players are loving our game, so we decided to nerf your weapons and buff ennemies Community: wait what? Ahhhhh… well I guess we’ll just use other weaker guns but HELL YEAH LET’S KILL BUGS!! Arrowhead: we noticed you guys are using the same guns again, so we nerfed them to shit and buffed the ennemies again Community: jesus man hasn’t this been enough nerfs? Can’t you just buff our weapons and let us have fun again? Arrowhead: we heard the community loud and clear, so we went ahead and nerfed your weapons again and made the game harder Community: hey man, this is getting ridiculous… please stop the nerfs or I’m out Arrowhead: we heard your feedback and have nerfed your weapons again and added a new difficulty! Community: you’ve gotta be kidding me Arrowhead: we see you’re mad helldivers! So we heard your feedback and nerfed fire damage before our fire damage themed dlc… enjoy!!! Community: I’m done

[@Sen.StevenArmstrong]

What is really hurting arrowhead is the fact that they are relying on discord and Reddit for feedback. If they were smart, they would actually put some sort of voting system in the actual game.

[@timvoorhees8102]

all that would do is prove most of them wrong,and from pattern recognition, they would just get more upset and blame the community again for being "wrong about what we really want"

[@thedog5k]

@@timvoorhees8102wild how dumb devs can be

[@pubcle]

The only reason Discord is so bad is they banned everyone who gave criticism & over politics while openly cheering for censorship & moderator abuse. I quit the game entirely back a few months when that happened, I'm just here to watch it burn.

[@quanlinglingdingle6122]

AH Discord is f*cked up, so many glazers and corpo d.riders expecting to get hired/pat from the devs, 900k members and i saw the same people everyday defending the arrowhead its so pathetic bro

[@IrnMaiden304]

True

[@9unslin9er]

The fact that Sarah Baskin hasn't been fired, pretty much says it all about how Arrowhead views their customers. The utter contempt she expresses towards players is disgusting.

[@hibana364]

What's with Baskinator again ? I missed a whole arc at this point.

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

Who's that?

[@Jack1994hoo]

Not on their discord. Who is that?

[@9unslin9er]

@@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052 Baskinator.

[@ShiftyMoravian]

But she hasn't hired by AH, all the mods are hired by Sony, iirc (might be false, fact check it, I can't be arsed)

[@blooddrunk5900]

If the Dev's want realism, the Bugs would run from fire. Fire should be the most devastating weapon used on bugs. I've never seen an insect run into fire / Heat.

[@Caboose1396]

Terminids secretly really ugly moths, apparently

[@pehenry]

6:22 - I absolutely effing hate when somebody tries to justify their bad behavior as something that is in my best interest.

[@The_Diginaut]

You don't have a game without players, and the balancing team has acted so blatantly against player interests that many feel their balance choices have been made out of pure spite. Pretty dumb decision. But hey, at least the bugs got a "balanced" fight 😂

[@clay180]

The game has 30-60k players regularly through the week. You will always find players for your rounds. Game isnt dying.

[@randomcast3183]

​@@clay180clayrobot doesn't like that you don't like his favorite game.

[@theravenousrabbit3671]

It is out of spite. The lead of the balancing team has previously destroyed games by nerfing them into the floor

[@nightbane44]

@@clay180 it was able to hit 60k for two days after the patch and is now back to barely scraping 30k there were almost two weeks worth of days where they couldn't even scrape 30k. Game won't die, but it's dead in the water for the vast majority of its player base. for a live service game their player retention rate is crap. they're barely able to scrape 10% compare that to a game like DRG where they maintain at worst mind you 20% of their player base on average, and generally sit in the 30-40% range, not to mention they're still able to occasionally create new all time peaks. Gets even worse if you compare it to something like CS2 which has lows of over 30% and highs up to almost 80%

[@Fine_i_set_the_handle]

They've literally said they're doing it out of spite on reddit. They have a bunch of people on their team who are willfully malicious OPEN ABOUT DOING SO and they just let them be.

[@dotmadhack]

If the devs play their hand well, are actually are serious about player feedback, and do want to balance around fun there's a really good opportunity to build on the lore here. According to the lore, Northman’s Creek was once a planet that attempted to secede from the Federation of Super Earth. In response, the Federation deployed Helldivers, an elite military unit, to quell the insurrection. The first use of Helldivers, specifically the iconic Hellpods, was during this conflict. Fifty Helldivers dropped into the Parliament of Northman’s Creek, assassinating the leadership and swiftly ending the rebellion. This successful operation brought the planet back under Federation control. A lot of players have taken up the initiative of blaming "Super Earth" in place of the devs in a bit of fun roleplay. Wouldn't it be awesome to turn our ships around and storm some government building because the Helldivers believe they are being betrayed by Super Earth? That would one hell of an event and it could just be over better arms and armor not necessarily a full on overthrow. It could be revealed that SE uses security robots suspiciously like automatons or maybe they have special trained or controlled terminids. Lots of possibilities.

[@XG2]

Bruh, you're sitting on a GOLD MINE of an idea! Applause are in order!🎉 👏🏻👏🏼👏🏽👏🏾👏🏿👏

[@Shinransa]

This is cool but I don't think turning this shit show into a bit of roleplay would be well received and would be seen as tone-deaf especially with how heated the community is currently.

[@gloriousblobber9647]

@@ShinransaEven if it was a good idea the devs won’t do it. Just a completely different game at that point lol

[@CausticSpace]

I believe the man who lead this dive for freedom was named Wagner

[@celuiquipeut6527]

The stubbornness of that ceo and his devs is incredible. They would rather lose the game and the money rather than make the game fun.

[@hibana364]

If they lose the game, wouldn't they get more money because no more server upkeep costs tho ?

[@QuantumRads]

No, less micro transactions sales. Yeah they might save money reducing their server utilization but in the long run are losing our in potential sales.​@@hibana364

[@Jack1994hoo]

​@@hibana364also no more people spending money in the game (game has in game purchases) and less people interested in future games.

[@zaniatnik]

@@Jack1994hooand Sony shuts them down for good because no publisher is interested in keeping afloat a failure of a studio. Hell, even decent studios can be shut down just because they don’t meet a high enough quota.

[@Jack1994hoo]

@@zaniatnik that too

[@GeoFry3]

It's sad, I log on, and the friend's list is empty. It used to have 5-10 people on just about any day.

[@bibhuprasaddash9957]

Same

[@gergelymolnar8686]

Once Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2 hit's steam next month, people will drop HD2 unless they manage to come up with a miracle.

[@stephen6503]

Players: 'can we please go back to the way things were?' Blizzard 'you don't want that. you think you do but you don't' Arrowhead "hold my beer.......we're *listening*. Less talk more action." (hits full send on ANOTHER round of unnecessary nerfs followed by wordy yet empty promises)

[@JoshuaTarvin]

Hint: they never will figure it out.

[@Sarcastican_]

It's worth noting that the last three Warbonds have been fairly lackluster at launch: - Viper Commandos released with a non-functioning armor passive, items like the throwing knife are still underwhelming. - Polar Patriots was and still is mediocre, with no new armor passives. - Freedom's Flame is decent, but overshadowed by their decision to nerf fire damage before a fire-themed warbond. Overall, they're shooting themselves in the foot at every turn.

[@carter2160]

This 60 Days are a fuck!ng bad joke, we allready waited 2 months that they will bring new content and fix all the current bugs, but the game got worse and less fun with every single patch.

[@jdbb3gotskills]

If it takes 60 days to change stuff. That means they didn’t take any player feed back into consideration when we had the same issues months ago. I lost faith in them months ago but still had hope they would change. But now it’s all gone. So sad

[@charlesb8]

​@jdbb3gotskills that's because they had 90 days vacation.

[@black_ghost1215]

it took them a week to nerf railgun it took them a month just to give us +5 and +10 damage buff, the odds not looking good if they don't understand anything

[@GnarledStaff]

Y’all, this fix is more than just adding numbers to the weapon damage values. Even if it was they would need a week to select the new numbers. They would need at least 2 weeks to revert the flamethrower changes because they have to disentangle it from other code changed during the recent update 60 days to revamp entire systems and try to release it without breaking the game. They also want to look around chargers and figure out other balance issues and could end up reworking some major systems. I know it sucks, but demanding that something be done right now doesn’t make it go faster, it just sounds entitled. That is literally the origin of the karen trope. Dont be a karen.

[@ionmedicaldesigns8122]

@@GnarledStaffI definitely agree with many of your points. My only thought as a developer is what on earth did they do to entangle everything to this degree? Typically, you’d create a global set of variables and effects for something like “fire”, and then everything that fire interacts with reacts accordingly. So, I’d think it’s not a 5 second fix but not a 2-3 week fix unless someone under the hood has really jumbled the code. Just thinking out loud not being a Karen.

[@BeNNo-xx]

See you in Space Marine 2. I'd racked up over 300 hours by May. I'd stopped entirely by June. Too much drama. They lost my trust and time.

[@endgamerlvl1]

Its not been the same for me since the Sony Account drama, i uninstalled not long after that. Its such a darn shame too. The game was great

[@TheCADDestMonkey]

Same story, brotato. ~250 hrs. Quit after the May erupter BS and when I saw that the game was just becoming shite. I've followed the community hoping for a "they fixed it!" Sentiment and it appears I was right to say fuck it. Such a shame. Really enjoyed the game.

[@supermodestmouse]

@@TheCADDestMonkeysame here. Played pretty hard for a while. Spent at least 2-3 hours after work/dinner a night to do dailies, etc. But then they kept making things stupider for the sake of making things stupider. Then they made it difficult to play with friends....the whole damn point of the game. I checked out around June....haven't been back. And it doesn't sound like I'm missing out on much.

[@thedog5k]

Same man… I was more at like 150, but was excited for more. Haven’t played since. It’s just boring.

[@justsayain9794]

It's a trap..

[@cablesalad3168]

Imagine creating a game where combat is fun and undoubtedly the best part of the game...only to proceed to make it so that the best strategy for players is to run away and avoid combat altogether.

[@Whiskey5_]

Arrowhead are as trustworthy as politicians

[@TheInstinctWithinV2]

An insult to politicians tbh

[@givenchymamajama3859]

You guys are dramatic lol

[@ExSpoonman]

To be fair, a politician would at least pander to the playerbase ...

[@Whiskey5_]

​@@ExSpoonman😂😂😂

[@Whiskey5_]

@@TheInstinctWithinV2 naw politicians are worse

[@littlearchangel6729]

I wish Arrowhead would give the love and treatment to HellDivers 2 like how Digital Extreme treats Warframe. Like for example D.E. will receive requests or questions from the community like “can we have ‘X’?” And they’ll come back with something like “yeah, we can do that, but how do you want it? Do you want it to be more this? Do you want it to be more like that?” They come back with questions so they understand what the community wants specifically and make the game just that better. If HellDivers 2 got this treatment I believe it would flourish and players would come back. At least that’s what I believe

[@germainiumge19]

Yep since 2013 up to now people even vtuber that I watch plays Warframe every now and then and I could say Warframe has a healthy player count as well now that's how you make a long lasting PVE coop game

[@darkjackl999]

DE hasn't always been sunshine and rainbows, there's been plenty of questionable balancing decisions (rip chroma 4, greedy pull, etc)

[@onerimeuse]

Right. Except the codbabies that came to helldivers never asked "can we get this?" No. Instead, they started threatening the devs, attacking the devs, doxing the devs, etc. If you give in to and negotiate with terrorists, you just get more terrorism. Especially when the request is "can we keep this thing that breaks the entire game you've designed"

[@oceanbytez847]

That is a large dramatization of what actually happened. Most of the community wasn't like that. Besides, AH broke the cardinal rule for nerfing a meta weapon. You NEVER nerf it into oblivion on day 0. You buff other things to draw attention away then nerf it slightly. They made it essentially useless for the role it was used for almost overnight which is always going to lead to frustration and animosity. The "balance" also didn't work because they never added anything to fill the anti armor void so they nerfed heavy and elite spawn rates to correct that. The issue is they treat symtoms poorly, and never address the real problem. The real problem here is that A. Elite/heavy spawn rates are high and B. There are no efficient high ammo options to deal with that spawn rate. If they had made something else that dealt with heavies and armor, or just ammo buffed all existing anti-armor, it could have fixed the issue without pissing people off or nerfing spawn rates which also maintains difficulty. However they chose to nerf the ONLY option that worked instead then nerfed spawn rate because admitting they are wrong is too hard.

[@JJ-eg4zm]

I mean DE had this phase too earlier in Warframe within a the same year there was Nulifer, Eximus and that stupid gamemode where you had to drain shield to move the defense object. Luckly those devs were told to quit it or left DE.

[@triceptive]

It seems that the gatling sentry has been secretly nerfed. The time it stays up has been noticeably reduced.

[@jatwood9648]

If Arrowhead wanted to be "realistic" then they would be adopting power creep. That's how warfare works. One side develops a better weapon, then the other side responds by developing ways to deal with it. Armies will always use the most reliable and effective equipment they can reasonably obtain. They wouldn't nerf their own gear to increase the "challenge." The devs have NEVER worked towards realism.

[@shaesunni]

Johan really meant it when he said that he wanted arrow head to be the next blizzard.

[@Wanderer_of_Sol]

There's an old Extra Creditz episode about how in order to "fix" a meta, you should almost never nerf the op stuff, but instead buff the unappealing stuff and give the players more options to work outside of the established meta. If a youtube channel about game development can make a solution to this problem back when Helldiver 1 came out, there's really no excuse for this happening. This is an old OLD lesson the games industry has learned several times. And the stakes are SO low in a co-op PvE game that millions of players got because the power fantasy was awesome and fun.

[@violet_paladin]

its common sense. the players pick the weapons that work. if you nerf the weapons that work-they stop playing. instead of taking away options, give them newer and better options. the question should never be "why are you only using this weapon" it should be "why do you feel like you have to use this weapon?" especially since the nerfs are based solely around the dev teams inability to code their own game-and bugs making certain weapons feel overpowered

[@Sorain1]

Man, I miss when Extra Credits was good. They really did provide solid guidance on the reality of game design.

[@Wanderer_of_Sol]

@@Sorain1 They still have a decent episode here and there, but the golden age is definitely passed.

[@KrautGoesWild]

"60 days" they say. Well, my birthday is in 60 days (okay, 63 days) and on that day I will take a look at what Helldiver 2 is looking like and what was done to correct the past mistakes. If I like what I see, I'll be back helldiving with my buddies. If not... well, Arrowhead, you could have had it all but you chose to forget the most important rule of them all: Give the players what *THEY* want.

[@asphaltape]

I miss the good ol days where the internet kinda sucked so once games were out they were out the devs had to release a finished well tested product that they couldnt effectively mess with after the fact. I just want gaming to be like that again :(

[@yeeyw]

This game is the exception, unlike other dev who release dogshit bug ridden product and then slowly fixing it, Arrowhead released well made product and then sent it to the shredder to get destroyed slowly

[@iffy5bassthunder677]

Then live service games are not for you, and not for me either. 👍

[@Grizz0212]

​@iffy5bassthunder677 Ehhh even live service games weren't like this back then bud. Its no excuse.

[@zhamirdiaz3196]

PVE should always be the more you play, the stronger you should feel, not weaker!

[@ocbwhyte1871]

Trading in my Super Earth citizenship for Space Marine geneseed. Helldivers still has no Illuminate, too few new maps, weapons, and vehicles, and keeps throwing off game balance. Maybe I’ll be back one day. Until then: FOR THE EMPEROR ✊ VULKAN LIVES!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@ryanl3722]

i hope this game will be good. previewers seem to like it but who knows. been off hd2 for a few months waiting for the nerfs to stop but at this point space marine will scratch that itch. hopefully

[@chrisgilmour5893]

Blood for the BLOOD GOD!

[@thiscommentwillbedeletedso5211]

​@@chrisgilmour5893Inquisition, this man right here!

[@HHTwice]

lol dude look at the gameplay for Space Marine (visuals aside) it’s as basic and standard as a generic 3rd person shooter could be 😂 what can you do in Space Marine that you can’t do in any other 3rd person shooter? Kill tyranids? It’s literally WWZ with a 40k skin

[@ytgray]

I won't. SM2 footage is not calling to me. Too much gore (blood prn) for my taste, too slow, too dark, too many flashy fx that don't make sense. Can have "too dark" in HD2, too, but at least I have a choice. Nice voice acting, though, and seems to be more focused than dropping you somewhere telling you to spread mayhem. Still not for me. /edit: typo fix

[@PopeMetallicus]

I knew we were fucked when I saw they balanced the game at a 4 difficulty. Like, try that game on Helldive devs, you'll never nerf another gun again

[@coppergreensubmarine]

Funny you mention that because Arrowhead devs don’t play this game beyond difficulty level 5; they can’t finish missions above that. They base their balancing at 5 and below and all around Chargers, for some odd reason.

[@Faminetheblack]

They're too busy ruining more of our weapons to test the higher difficulties.

[@darkjackl999]

I mean balancing around the middle difficulty can be fine, they just did it the worst way by basically just searching 'most used ___' and nerfing it I don't blame them for Sony fucking the game, but i do for choosing the worst possible way to "balance" it

[@PopeMetallicus]

@@coppergreensubmarine That blows my mind. I'm by no means a sweatlord or claim to be a pro gamer, but me and my friends used to have a pretty good challenge on Helldive, not too hard to be fun, but a decent chance we'd actually fail. After the nerfs, 7s felt worse than 9s used to. That's when I stopped playing, it stopped being fun.

[@Degarth]

I suspect a small part of problem is that some KZbinrs make videos titled Solo Full Clear with Only Starter Weapons No Deaths and the devs take it personal and basically set the game to what the .001% of people can do with perfect skill, knowledge and mechanics exploitation.

[@johnsupergeil7098]

My biggest problem is them trying to make it more of a milsim and rely on limited strategems that they restrict as often as they can with jammers/planet conditions. Also, the fact that like half of the weapons/support weapons aren't very useful since trying to play a support or sniper type role which are not strong enough by themself to deal with enemies that are constantly spawning and patrolling near the players. They're trying to meld milsim and horde-shooty power fantasy together, and it clearly isn't working

[@happyjohn354]

Its because they are polar opposites conceptually. The closest I have found that managed to do it is actually Starship Troopers Extermination but that's because it started out as a mod for Squad so it already had a good template for one aspect of its game design.

[@jcrowder33]

I don't think I've ever seen a Dev team fumble the bag so badly as these guys have. The hubris and ego are truly impressive in regards to de-valuing their own product to play out their own sweaty little fantasy. In the meantime I will be promoting myself from Helldiver to Space Marine in a couple of weeks.

[@Faminetheblack]

The railgun nerf was the biggest redflag the dev team could have thrown us. It's like going on a date and your date says she has an onlyfans, hates her dad, hates men, and demands that you pay despite you only getting coffee while she got the whole 3 course meal.

[@Prime_content]

Buddy are fucking serious? The railgun NEEDED to be nerfed it was way too fucking op. Being able to one shot bile titans and have 20 shots is bat shit insane. I hate the nerfs the devs make and think every other nerf was bs EXCEPT the railgun nerf

[@Ardeleus]

​@@Prime_contentyo mama

[@TheLizardKing752]

​@@Prime_contentthat was because of a bug, not because it was OP. They just needed to fix the bug, not reduce its stats.

[@copperypuddle3858]

@@Prime_contentTrue but it didn’t need nerfed into irrelevancy either. They should’ve changed the damage it could do to bile titans while leaving it alone otherwise. Arrowhead doesn’t understand nuance

[@Prime_content]

​@@copperypuddle3858 you are right but as we speak railgun still slaps against the bots

[@writerruned]

No idea if this will make top comment or not. But gotta say, as a veteran of the game from near release. A creek crawler, a long time gamer, a 7+ soloer. It hurt to listen to the sense of loss in your voice. A lot of us have seen promising games die to poor development choices (usually forced by greedy companies like EA) and somehow i think helldivers 2 feels different for a lot of us. Helldivers 2 felt like a phoenix of gaming on release. A full return to cooperative fun where you get on with the friends, load up your toys and set out to have a blast killing bugs and bots and dying to stupid shit and friendly fire. As the decline and nerf hell sucked that chaotic comradery out of the game i realized i've never ranted or gotten so angry over a game as I have Helldivers 2. I loved it so much on release i bought 2 extra copies to get my friends into it. There was so much potential for it to feel like a dnd-story feel (joel/creek/saving the kids) with all the chaotic fun of terminator meets starship trooper. Instead chaotic fun with friends is replaced with 'gritty realism' and an ever hardening war where any victory is undone in a few days to a week at best. All i know is it'll take a no-mans-sky grade redemption arc to renew my faith in arrowhead games. To all my fellow divers, you stay awesome.

[@leonidastankiangaming]

I'm convinced Arrowhead is being run by a bunch of narcissistic sadistic cyber bullies that got picked on in school during their youth. That's the only reasonable explanation for their behavior.

[@terrykrugii5652]

Should've given them 10x the swirlies when people still had the chance to

[@onerimeuse]

You're high, right? The player base has been bullying Arrowhead since the railgun. Some incredibly vile shit has been said to them about a fake, inconsequential world.

[@PARAN0IDxGERBIL]

@@onerimeuse Why are you crying? Calm down buddy

[@onerimeuse]

@@PARAN0IDxGERBIL Maaaaaate, no tears here. Just annoyed with how long your entire team has been crying about every nerf since the beginning of the game while blatantly ignoring the buffs. Every gun that comes out "don't get used to it, I'll get nerfed" nerf nerf nerf. You all don't even try the guns, it's patch notes day and then the waterworks start. Crocodile tears. For months. Every time something that broke the game (aka for yall "fun") gets fixed? Tears. Etc etc. The devs literally can't do right in your eyes. And from that shapes every single post. No middle grounds, no useful feedback, just vitrial. I'm just here advocating that maaaaaybe if the devs hadn't had to rebalance the game three times in six months, redo their entire content release strategy, and deal with the boohoos (which, let's be honest, is toxic crap. Telling a dev they're "trashc and "incompetent" isn't exactly what I call "constructive or beneficial dialog" 🙄we'd have more content and the game might be doing something more interesting. But noooooooope. Another patch out. A massive content drop, balanced around everything they changed. But that's not good enough. So now the devs have to drop some of their people from producing new stuff, and instead they have to figure out flames now. Bravo.

[@dogwithanak.mp4]

@@onerimeuse Pretty sure if it was all just in our heads and the game wasn't getting worse, the player count wouldn't be dropping by 90%.

[@Darthvegeta8000]

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory sums up HD2. It was such a refreshing start. Full of goodwill, it's own IP/lore. Fun. And focussed on cooperation. And first Sony then the devs decided piece by piece to cut it all away until the majority lost interest, became cynical or downright antagonistic about it all.

[@sunso1991]

I used to run solo infiltrator, with dominator rifle, 380mm, 500kg, and orbital. I clear half of the map and 1 main node while 3 teammates do the main mission. It was high stake high reward experience while i can control the entire engagement.

[@TheSoapbox77]

I was there when they Nerf'd the Railgun. I adjusted and moved to the Arch Thrower. And then, they cut the distance of that gun from 50 meters to 35.. I just said, F' this S' I'm out...

[@Avx829]

I am happy about the arc thrower. I was getting murdered by every teammate with one of those, they just charged up and let that baby fly in every direction. Failed lots of missions because teammates were racking up 5-10 "accidental" deaths.

[@eliupdike]

And I think the rail gun deserved a nerf, maybe not the one it got, but maybe a lower ammo count. Two shotting titans is cool, but the fact you could do it 10 times was a bit overtuned

[@SuperVideoman2012]

​@@eliupdikethat was a bug it only did that for pc players joining a playstation host. If you didnt have cross play on it took about 8-10 fully charged shots back at launch. Atm the railgun isnt unusable but its not as cool as ut was at launch especially its safe mode is now a complete joke.

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

Funny how the Arc Thrower still misfires occasionally and they don't bother fixing it, but as soon as a weapon is too reliable they won't let it last for long.

[@eva1777]

It's seemingly better now, but as an arc enjoyer I was actively counting shots hit VS misfires after a while because I felt that fully charged, aimed, in range shots were just "denied". The weapon would just regularly not fire, shoot once, maybe twice, and another streak of misfires... Better now, but still happening.

[@Rkmer28]

6:25 For AH to state that a powerful weapon shouldn't be versatile and a versatile weapon shouldn't be powerful while the Auto Cannon, (their favorite weapon) exists in the game that is now the best support weapon that can do everything on both sides is either them trolling us or them being so clueless that we should not have any faith in them at all. I don't know which one is better.

[@Faminetheblack]

I don't think they've ever touched that thing

[@ytgray]

​@@Faminetheblack Initially I took it to the bots. For bugs I went to the MGs or the flamethrower (more the latter, because chargers). By now I often visit the Terminds with it, too. Spewers, guards, commanders all fall to the mighty AC-8. And it closes holes. It's the skeleton key of weapons, the jack of all trades (except chargers or titans). There is almost no situation where it's not at least a passable answer. As mentioned, titans and chargers, or mass berserkers which seem to fall faster to the senator. They soak up AC shells and you have to stop to reload a five-shot-cartridge while they close in.

[@Faminetheblack]

@@ytgray I didn't even know it closed holes. That's insanity. We shouldn't talk to much about how good it is. Ah is listening.

[@miemsliva4464]

​@@ytgrayHonestly even Chargers aren't the worst thing with the AC-8 if you can get behind them, 4 or so shots will take off the rear I think. Plus you can shoot the round under them and make it explode at their bellies to hurt them, which I think is possible because they have some medium armor down there considering i've been able to pen a chargers undercarriage with a Jar-5 shot, and the Laser cannon too.

[@Sephvion]

I've mained autocannon from the second I tried it. It does so much work and for what downside? A backpack slot being taken up? Yeah, okay. I run around with Orbital Laser, Railcannon Strike, Autocannon, and EATs. There is *nothing* I can't deal with and solo too. I take out portions of the map solo, from a distance or running into bases, on 7 difficulty. They have no clue what they're doing or the Autocannon dev is rubbing his hands together and laughing.

[@damiaovilhena-ayres1639]

Don’t get surprised when another studio gives us what we want and everyone forgets this game

[@rusty8684]

If they made them all weapons fun we could pick whatever one we wanted

[@javierxrtd]

Space Marines 2 is coming out, Helldivers is so done, we complained about NERFS but they ignored us, ok, starve to death then.

[@bibhuprasaddash9957]

I'm lvl 150 in hl2 now I'm leaving the game

[@panzerW0LF]

See ya, Space Marines 2 will have something you don't like too and then you can just continue the merry-go-round of whatever the next game is after that. I appreciate this game for the core game not for tweaks they do on weapons. Players who like this game for its core gameplay will stay. Bandwagoners can continue their cycle with the next and the next and the next games that come out.

[@louiskitching8806]

@@panzerW0LF Ok so in your small mind someone that is level 150 or someone leaving that has 800 - 1000 hours in the game is a "bandwagoner"? Be more of a pathetic fanboy please, Hd2 has massive core game problems go look it up and stop making excuses for this pathetic company....

[@lukecheetingsgaming9008]

​@louiskitching8806 I mean the same could apply to space marines 2 if you are like maxed out on everything. No game is perfect, they will always have issues, some major some minor!

[@Yacht.46]

@@louiskitching8806 Bro, go smoke a joint. Holy shit

[@aegic001]

Needing to rely on strategems doesnt mean players were meant to be weak. Its a part of our kit. Are Marines weak if they need to call in an AC-130 or artillery support?

[@Riaining7]

Right? And Helldivers are Super Earth's "Elite Operators." Think of that next time you dive and land on a pebble that sends you rolling like a child or floppy fish for an extra 3 seconds. It's a damn joke, along side all their loss-of-control mechanics.

[@markmitchell590]

They need to re-read Ch1 of Starship Troopers. Every week.

[@Saicofake]

Relying on stratagems have been the biggest bullshit excuse I have ever heard considering they are hellbent on putting negative modifiers on our stratagems.

[@tehnemox]

@@Saicofake Or flat out not let us use them. Between jammers, the now inability to call in stratagems while riding a mech (you could still do that in HD1), the insanely long cooldowns for even the most basic stratagems, etc it is baffling they pretend they want us to primarily rely on them.

[@Tundra_archer]

My fellow helldivers we have accepted this nonsense and unreasonable nerfing for to long we must come together as a community and review bomb the game once again

[@nomad1303]

I actually think just stop playing the game for a minute. Many times on the internet, the devs and people associated say they still play our game so they must like it.

[@D_ROCK_8791]

Not even worth the time

[@Dxwill10]

Accompany the negative review with an uninstall of the game.

[@spartaninvirginia]

Already did. Shame, I loved this game. I haven't played since I did a single match last week. I used to play every day.

[@nightbane44]

implying I ever changed my negative review after the first, I updated the reason mind you, but I said I was going to keep the review negative in light of AH's culpability in the whole situation and wait until I felt they had earned my trust back. They haven't and at the rate they're going I'm doubting they will

[@PartOfTheGame]

It's a shame that AHS went the way they did. But, as a former QA for Activision, it doesn't surprise me one bit about the statement the developer said, nor does it surprise me that they are blatantly ignoring what their players are saying. Sadly, 95% of developers want to make THEIR game. A game they probably got pitched with a very specific vision and are now latched onto, for an end goal. They saw the success of the game at launch and probably thought these changes would make people even more excited, and are now upset because they're being criticized. Because they don't play their own game, most of the time. To many developers, it's a piece of art, or a construction piece. To them, it's unfinished, and so criticizing what it is and comparing it to what it used to be is upsetting because they want to just finish it and THEN they MIGHT listen to the critics. But by that point, the game will be dead. It won't ever get finished. And they'll be forced to move on, still salty about what was said, and interpreting it as pseudo-personal attacks on them directly.

[@edgelessuser5]

Operation Disassembly was peak Helldivers but they really broke the illusion when they brought the bots back so soon and well all the other stuff after. Saving the children might be comparably awesome though because it felt great to help real kids by playing a game so more of that too

[@SirAshford]

Maybe they’ll finally fix the game a month after a month of playing Space Marine 2. Maybe not, sad to see them fumble so hard.

[@themindakviking]

Thanks to EOF and AH's constant fumbles, I'm branching out into other games. And I was an HD2 diehard. I've simply lost faith in the Devs, and they will have to work damned hard to earn it back.

[@TyTimeIsAwesome]

Same. Ever since the latest patch, I haven't logged in. Have been trying other games instead, and am having much more fun. Don't think I will come back unless AH does a 360 on their nerfing philosphy.

[@rainmaker3574]

I know this may be the common recommendation for co-op shooters, but I'd recommend deep rock galactic, as for something else, if you're interested in 3d platformers try the recent demo for The Big Catch. It's called The Big Catch Tackle box and unlike other demos it isn't locked to 30 minutes, a single full playthrough to clear out the game takes around 7 hours, and there's no spoilers. It takes place as a prologue on a plateau meant to be a training grounds.

[@frisky6663]

I liked feeling powerful and overwhelmed, not overwhelmed and helpless.

[@leongelder6034]

most realistic thing about HD2 is that players are not walking, but running away

[@lilsdon]

I just played HD2 2 minutes ago and i really cannot be bothered any longer, many times today, i went on and immediatly quit, lost all appeal, i give up with over 260 hours nerf nerf nerf, thats it, just waiting for Spacer Marine 2 now................

[@Ogrodnik95]

same, also clocked 250ish hours, game no longer is enjoyment, its annoyance

[@bibhuprasaddash9957]

Same I'm a blue armor player lvl 150. Now it just sucks.

[@MyrdinAnnoth]

Helldivers could have been big. And I mean much bigger then what it was during launch. It had the potential to kickstart an entire franchise, with books, games, merchandise etc. All they had to do was embrace the community and keep doing the fun stuff. Instead they choose the Devs vs Gamers approach, hidden behind pseudo reasonings like "game realism" and such. And they seem really stubborn with these decisions. Its kinda fascinating watching the meteoric rise and fall of this game in such short time as it was.

[@jabloneynophony1875]

Its nice to see Arrowhead are still "listening" to their remaining player base six months later. They listen. Then continue to nerf.

[@JoeSneeky]

The developers are not playing their own game. Otherwise they wouldn't need these spreadsheets. The developers don't have to be difficulty level 10 Helldiver gods, but they should have at least diff level 7+ experience. Why level 7? Because that's the level where you could originally get the first super samples. So they expected every player to get to that level 7+ and play it regularly. So that means diff 7 is the "normal" difficulty level (even if that's not what the developers intended). Everything below is just a long tutorial. You can't expect a developer to balance weapons when they're stuck at the tutorial level!

[@asmoduce]

My wife and I waited to join up, until the game looked to have actual legs(we always look for games we can play side by side)... We finally pulled the trigger, the very DAY the Sony login shenanigans started. We are PC players only, and had abounded our PS logins years ago. We grumbled, made new accounts unlinked to anything else, and logged in... being filthy casuals, we have fun playing with each other. We play at such lower difficulty levels, that we don't really see what everyone else does. Even though things don't affect us like the high level players, we do not like what AH is doing, the rumored whys, and fear that the dev team really are just being pissy, because the chuds like THEIR game, and how dare those chuds enjoy the power fantasy.

[@Murat807]

Sony probably want this game to die since they did not get their way with the PSN requirement.

[@SRW_]

Interesting thought

[@lutherheggs451]

Clearly you never played the first game...They DO NOT care about the cancer meta constant crying trash. They DO NOT care about just the PC players which LMFAO at people constantly only citing PC player numbers. This is EXACTLY how the first game went, there were not constant streams of content dropped over 8 years it got alot of content, but it was at their pace. They aren't expecting people to sit and play nothing but Helldivers nor do they care if you do. There was NEVER a goal of keeping players constantly playing nor was there with the first game. They were quite clear the expectation was 50,000 LIFE TIME. The biggest problem is they keep paying too much attention to meta trash cancer kids instead of just doing what they did with the first game. Its not a power fantasy where your running around one shotting everything neither was the first No matter how many times imbeciles want to pretend the PSN requirement was LMFAO a shocking surprise out of the blue. it was announced weeks before launch, it was also announced that the requirement was going to be pushed to May, it was FACT in the day 1 EULA but the box was greyed out because they weren't forcing it until late May. Stupidity, ignorance and selective reading are NEVER a valid excuse for anything

[@sipofsunscorchedsarsaparil6052]

This is a "not our Jimmy" moment. It could just be fault of the devs.

[@lunasakara7306]

@@SRW_ It's probably true, notice how companies make knowingly shit games, pump them out and then dump them the second they fail? They take a DEI loan and then invest as little as they can of that into a "game" - hire people who are hateful bigots that will ensure it fails. and then when the "game" fails as expected, they write off the costs in their taxes. bling bling, easy money. There's a perverse incentive to NOT try to make good games that might be successful, because they can get rewarded for making mediocre fucking garbage and banking on it's failure. HD2 Was likely in a pile of games that were picked up because it was likely to fly under the radar and just quietly die in a few weeks. Pushing every issue they have pushed should be an obvious sign they really wanted this game to die, because it just fucked their finances by not being a tax write off, but also likely costing more than they made on the DEI loan.

[@WaVotrex]

I hope so this game never was good

[@Theredmeep852]

At this point were at the "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man" of crap were dealing with.

[@Shinransa]

Either that or "Harry Potter and the Audacity of this Bitch" levels of kerfuffle because at this point it feels intentional and spiteful.

[@Firestorm2056]

here is how to save the game, BUFF EVERYTHING AND GIVE US MORE ENEMIES, I am so sick of dropping a 500k right under a bile titan and it just eating it

[@davidweaver4436]

Just to add a little something. That "those five days" that are the "blueprint for success" weren't perfect. That patch was what dumped the slugger into obscurity and the bots came back within like 24-48 hours, making their "elimination" pretty short lived and all but meaningless. They literally came back and started throwing factory walkers at us almost immediately. Should've given that a bit more time to breathe and make it feel like they took a week or so to design a new weapon to fight back rather than just being "lol, you thought." I know some people would've missed the bots, but oh well, it would have been better story telling.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

I'm a bot exclusive player (feels more tactical than bugs) but i definitely would be ok with not having bots if it meant our efforts felt useful

[@Bloodbain88]

I agree, it felt like there was no win or victory at all. My bros and I all working full time jobs put in as many hours as we could, trying to "push the bots back" and actually make an impact. Just for them to come back almost immediately like nothing happened, sucked. It was truly disappointing, and it's when I realized that there really is no player impact.

[@rhaegoti]

FYI: There's no need to apologize or feel bad for having a long video when it is high quality and good information. You've always provided both.

[@DtWolfwood]

Devs: Rely on your strategems. Also devs: fuck your strategem deployment time, slot, accuracy and cooldown.

[@tidalwave7923]

If they had just left the railgun alone, fixed the damage glitch with consoles and gave the EAT/Recoiless the buffs that they did, the usage rate of the railgun, at least on the bug front, wouldn't have been an outlier. At this point, I want to see all nerfs reversed.

[@UnrealStew]

Going from being talk of the town, millions of players and potential GOTY to needing a PLAN to save the game really reminds me of rdr2. With dutch (arrowhead) needing a PLAN to save the game (gang). I literally cant comprehend how an online version of Rdr2 just happened.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

I’ve been saying this since March. No nerfs, just buff underpowered weapons to add better variety. Fix bugs and improve stability. That’s all they had to do. Despite my hundreds of hours and countless solo Helldives, I guess I just need to git gud. 😂

[@dukedynamite3d]

Arrowhead has taken their creed of "a game for everyone is a game for no one" and turned it into "The game we want and how we want you to play it" which is a game for no one

[@johnradetzki1860]

Separatists and memes aside, the fundamental problem is they keep giving lore to the enemies getting stronger, meanwhile we have an absolute drought of buffs despite "doing our part," and meeting major order after major order back to back. I exist on difficulty 6, and from my perspective, the spawn rates of chargers are as bad as chaff. What am I to do when they spawn like chaff but my effective weapons against them keep getting nerfed til I can't kill them as fast as they spawn?

[@TacoJim]

I wish that saving the children had actually given us a tangible reward in game, instead of Johan donating money to charity. It's cool he did that, and all. But we literally got nothing in the game for our efforts, and a lot of us were hoping that saving the children would unlock the SEAF reinforcement stratagem. We had no idea he was going to donate money. Again, it's cool he did. But I don't understand the reward structure of Major Orders sometimes. We even had one recently that we had to deliberately fail, just to get the anti-tank mines.

[@Yackattack22]

I always remember the CEO saying, be ready for balances throughout the lifecycle, and I didn’t like the sound of that. Also, I feel like everyone forgets about the patrol spawns tweaks, saying that they fixed it, and then admitting that they didn’t actually fix it. Which means for multiple months we have been playing with fucked up enemy spawn. And it’s crazy that some people even forgot that this happened.

[@180fJC]

After they said they fixed it I saw no improvement and in fact, I recall it being worse after they said they fixed the patrol spawns.

[@nightbane44]

the thing that really ticked me off is when they said they'd roll back the spawn rates to 1.0 then just lied by adjusting it to their taste before it ever went back live.

[@Malphorus]

60 day plan, months after just dicking on the player base via nerfs for the last few months, is wildin. They need to rebalance their balance team instead. 7:45 and then they nerf the support weapons into a realm with primary weapons. At this point. I can do most missions with just an R-36 support weapons are dogshit and better spent on high-yield air strikes or orbitals, objective wise. If you're just trying to kill shit, and run out of ammo, I guess they're okay. Except for the auto cannon, that shit's just buff.

[@gannonjackson1780]

Don’t want that, they’d nerf themselves and make it worse 😭😭

[@clay180]

You do realize that doesnt mean a big update in 60 days but a roadmap where they will actively focus on the listed items and address when ready, right?

[@GD1_3]

​@@clay180👢👅

[@EarthPrime52]

​@@clay180so they're saying they need 60 days just to figure out what to do rather than fixing anything?

[@calaxsis8059]

@@clay180it’s ok man they just don’t know how to read ignore the hate lol

[@itspiderman966]

It's crazy how I look at the first two warbonds and get nostalgic for those old days... Even though the game isn't even that old, the feeling I get is surreal.

[@StrattCaster]

I paid full price for this game in good faith to support the developers and all I got in return was a s***** game that crashes after every match, what a slap in the face to a customer

[@DrEldritchPlays]

The two times I actually wanted to play Helldivers outside of the release was the Creek push and the push to save the Hospital. These were both community-driven and the community around it was responsible for most of the drive. Now, we get MOs that are generic and boring, instead of special goals tailored towards the special forces aspect; felt more like being part of the SEAF. Even worse, they went from offering rewards for MOs to "punishing" us with AT mines, instead of just leaving it alone. Arrowhead clearly dislikes their community and has zero interest in keeping their new playerbase. I'm convinced that as long as the playerbase is above 7k, they don't care.

[@thatoneguy1741]

Malevelon was Peek helldivers 🤧🤧🤧 Robot ‘Nam

[@shoulderpyro]

It's almost like an abusive relationship. They say they hear us, they're listening, they're sorry for what they've done wrong - and then proceed to do exactly what we told them not to do, showing that they in fact do not listen and that they are NOT sorry for what they're doing because not even a week after their first apology they just go back down the same cycle. Over and over and over again

[@lt_dagg]

I have a new conspiracy theory. They purposefully fucked the game balance to get people pissed off, review bomb the game again on steam, then undo the fuck ups just to release the review bomb cape

[@Mglue3]

No way are they that cool. Beautiful dream tho.

[@Jack1994hoo]

A few months late for that

[@lt_dagg]

​@Jack1994hoo if the review bomb cape came out in context to the Sony drama, it could ruin their relationship together as publisher and developer. They ruined the game on purpose to release the cape in new context

[@fistan5447]

21:30 Doesnt require you to be a dev mate. Just a player. If the customers dont like the menu, its the fault of the chef's, not customers. We gave them PLENTY of feedback, and they ignore it again and again. Let it burn.

[@mindsablaze221]

Flame weapons having no stagger or ability to block enemies from walking into it, is one of the biggest oversights the balance team have made.