Helping this Warmblood find Balance and Confidence

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

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[@tonyalbertson9983]

Have you had the vet evaluate the horse. Possibly EPM

[@ashlynhope2659]

Everything you described were symptoms of epm. Please get him checked! My horse just barely made it because we found it a little later than we should have. I don’t want to see anything happen to this gorgeous horse

[@tagyouritification]

Would you please add a direct link to the first video, many are having problems finding it. Thanks

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

@@tagyouritification its on my patreon page. In the link that’s already listed

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

@@tonyalbertson9983 yes, he’s 100% sound

[@amolmstead]

I am a veterinarian. This gelding appears significantly ataxic (neurological…a “Wobbler”.) I would recommend a neurological exam, and if indicated, cervical radiographs and/myelogram to determine where the compression is occurring in his spine. The fact that you are a very balanced rider and know when to release is the reason you can ride him without him falling. You are basically helping him understand where his feet are in space (like a guide dog leading a blind person) because the horse likely is physically incapable of doing it on his own. It would be interesting to see if this horse could walk without “floating” in the front legs if you lifted his head high while walking him (in hand) up and down an incline…. this is part of a neurological exam. Additionally it would be interesting to observe him walking in a straight line with a “tail pull” exam. I would anticipate that this would exacerbate his hind end weakness. I had a horse that I broke (and rode him for a little over 20 years) with very similar issues (falling and “wonkie” in the hind end), however my gelding was much more subtly ataxic than the horse displayed in this video.

[@hhusher]

Agree. I had a wobbler years ago, she looked exactly like this-blurry, sliding movement behind.

[@sabinebaron241]

I was thinking the same

[@comesahorseman]

ECCM??

[@shelm-b8p]

Thank you for this detailed explanation.

[@britneysilveria4820]

Oh thank you for sharing... I've been on several that vets have said were fine/sound... but no. No they weren't... last one I worked with was 1 out of 4 vets said neuro... then I rode and felt way more than they could see - it was definitely something unsafe to ride/train.

[@victoriareffin2429]

Totally agree with the needing good foundations.👌🏻 My Dutch warmblood I bought as an 8 year old and he’d done nothing but showjumping internationally, but he’d gotten to the point where the jumps were just getting too huge for him and he was such a sensitive horse that when he started rolling a pole or knocking his legs over jumps he just had a total panic and was petrified. So they sold him to a dealer that shipped him and a few others here to the UK where I worked for a lady that would buy them and sell on to amateur professional riders. I have a dressage background and didn’t even plan on buying him as I wasn’t interested in a jumper, but he just caught my eye as soon as he came off the wagon, and once I saw him move in the field I Immediately fell in love and saw his potential as a dressage horse. When the time came to ride him I was so shocked how he went from this big athletic uphill horse when loose in the paddock, to a small backwards feeling pony that was sooo unbalanced and stiff and awkward. Kinda like his way of going was just very fake, and as long as it looked good to people watching then all was fine. I ended up buying him and I went right back to the basics with him and building a foundation based on balance, suppleness, and basically letting him just be a horse for a little while with no crazy bits or tight contact on the reins, no Spurs or collected canters and just let him find his feet and learn to open up, balance himself and build correct muscle tone. His transformation was insane from a tightly wound sensitive panic stricken showjumper, to a gorgeous supple, relaxed, happy and balanced champion dressage horse. He was and always will be the love of my life, and my horse of a lifetime💗

[@oldcowgirl6418]

Good on you! You are not only his friend, but I'm sure he is yours. It is a great thing to save a horse.

[@victoriareffin2429]

@@oldcowgirl6418 Thank you. He really was the sweetest horse with such a kind heart. Sadly we lost him a couple years ago and my soul still hurts. I’ll never find another like him💗

[@tracyjohnson5023]

@@victoriareffin2429 I'm so sorry for your loss! My heart horse is now 30, been with me 29 years! My husband would tell you that I'd put him on the road before the gelding lol. It's always the ones we never plan on buying that God, the universe or what have you, throw directly in our paths and say this is the one. No horse will ever replace your guy in your heart and soul, but I'm sure that providence has another horse in your future that needs you as much as you need the horse. You gave your fella a great life and he reciprocated ten fold I am sure. In a perfect world, every horse would get their person with patience and knowledge to help them be great.

[@victoriareffin2429]

@@tracyjohnson5023 Thank you. He was only 21 when we lost him totally out of the blue. He had some kind of neurological event one night and when I got to the yard he was laid down and couldn’t get up. The vet came and said something neurological had happened and was preventing him from using his back legs and that he’d probably never get back up again, and the best thing was to put him to sleep. I’ve never felt pain like it loosing him that day. I still have my little dressage pony that I got when I was only 11 years old and she celebrated her 37th birthday in April. She’s just as sassy as the day I got her but she’s happily enjoying life as an antique lawn mower now 😂 I know the dreaded day will come for us to say goodbye to her and honestly I feel like I’ve been holding my breath since she turned 30 and waiting for the god awful day I go to the yard and she’s passed on or that we have to put her to sleep, but these are the things we have to do in return for being lucky enough to have this bond with a horse. There’s really nothing else like it is there. My hubby also jokes that he’d never make me choose between him and the horses because he knows I’d choose them 😂😂🦄

[@carolynstewart8465]

Bless your little heart

[@kayshiverick6937]

I know the horse has been tested for physical problems but due to past experience with a warm blood having similar symptoms several vets found nothing wrong and 6 months later the horse was down in his stall totally paralyzed in the back end. Had to be put down. Not blaming the vets, they can’t always diagnose everything. Hope he gets better.

[@jaxjax4813]

Kay Shiverick So sorry for your loss.

[@christinemoore517]

Nice job as usual and I must add YOURE FRIGGING BRAVE to get on a warmblood when you're not used to the size and movement and knowing HE FALLS DOWN ON THE RIDER AND HAS NO BALANCE! What great progress! This poor animal didn't even know how to walk!!!

[@runswithhorses6709]

Well, I see everyone is concerned about his hind quarters, while I can’t look away from the mostly toe first landings on the front end. 🧐 Thanks for helping him, Ryan. I hope he went on to do well.

[@sophieAable]

left hind doesn't step under.he drags back legs. he has a back issue effectively specifically his left hind.

[@jessicalmcdaniel9878]

This is my horse to a T- having him evaluated for SI issues in a week or so. But this is good stuff for when I know he isn’t hurting and I put him back in work

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Great 👍

[@mystictailsfarmga]

So glad you used a Bosal! He looks to be weak in the rear and just like you said needs some responsibility and strengthening.. Great video!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@amywiseman3246]

What makes a horse ‘weak’ in the rear? I’m just learning🤠

[@mystictailsfarmga]

@@amywiseman3246 Not good excersing.. lots of exercises for strengthen the back and coordination. I'm going to go thru this with my horse because he has had a abscess issue for several months and limited riding. He is just on the mend so I'll do more ground work, stretching and walking to get him back. ground pole exercises and other obstacles is good for coordination and getting then to focus on their feet coordination. Ryan may have videos too

[@arribaficationwineho32]

@@amywiseman3246 since horse fell, it is physiological.

[@jSamm1203]

Your explanation of why you do what you do is fantastic

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thank you 🙏

[@ratherbwithhorses]

Warmbloods seem so easy when they are first broke and then when they realize it's work , sometimes that's when it gets hard but also their easy at the beginning has us asking more than they are ready physically to do and problems start

[@maevephipson2803]

What a beautiful looking horse. Looks in great condition too. Beautiful chestnut colour. I am no equestrian. Prefer to have my feet firmly on the ground watching a horse rather than falling off it 😅. But they are beautiful creatures and I can watch them for hours. Love your videos 🤗

[@joycee5493]

The way he is “parked out” at the beginning of the video raises red flags for me. It looks like he’s seeking a comfortable spot.

[@SkipandVictoria]

Agreed, his entire hind end looks pretty bad, like there is some kind of neuro issue going on. What a kind honest horse for trying even when his body doesn’t cooperate.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

@@SkipandVictoria plus his rear dumped and trainer admitted he felt it

[@shanksjeffcott8598]

Hey mate great vid. Wonky is the best discrimination 😂 it made me laugh. I feel ya hit the nail on the head with the horse needs to have responsibility, iv had students who come and say my horse trips, runs through the bit won’t slow down etc, then stop riding every bloody step your not letting him think for himself, no wonder their tense. When the hind legs went wonky on ya, my minds voice went “ me legs were are me legs arrr” lol he found them again. The training on uneven ground is the best if they can move great there they can do it every were. Good job well done 👍 enjoy your vids and iv put links to your channel on our adjustment page hope you get more subscribers your info is good stuff thanks for sharing. Have a good one

[@amandagordon3018]

When I first started riding my Standard bred he was very weak in the hind end. Possibly from his racing days pulling a cart.And very stiff in the lumbar region. He also tripped on the odd occasion doing circles. I think this horse would really benefit from hill work and long trail rides. Circle work is really really hard for many horses. This boy looks really uncomfortable. I found working my boy on the lunge with the pasoa really helped him engage his body and find his balance without a rider on board. Good luck. If only they could talk!

[@silky2204]

Gaited horses trip. A standardbred is a gaited horse.

[@allisonk8316]

Get him checked for cervical neck arthritis. It's hard to diagnose but if it is that - he needs to be retired sooner than later. The hind end dragging, stiffness, reluctant to bend, and falling are major red flags.

[@adonnaprice9676]

Poor thing..

[@ejh6022]

Oy! Competition horses often lack the proper preparation and the foundational building blocks of training, just like you state in this video. They are ridden more and more in correction, stiff bodies, dull to the rider legs and heavy to the hands. This horse's walk is also nearly la5eral and he appears to be very slightly unsound when tracking left at the trot. Glad the owner came to you for training. Great video.

[@ejh6022]

*lateral

[@vicki1141]

I too thought I saw a hint of unsoundness. I am far from knowlegable, but I thought it looked as if he has a weak stifle (which could actually be the hip) when he was tracking left at the trot.

[@juanvenegas7163]

I love your detailed instructions, learning a lot from you, thanks for your videos.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet, thanks for watching

[@PamelaAmberson]

Love watching you! You are so steady and logical , as Spock would say lol. He is a very beautiful horse. beautiful eyes.

[@ratherbwithhorses]

It's so true about the perfect surfaces! My Oldenburg will walk on a rugged trail like he in the ring without regard for his feet and has gotten absesses and because I like him to walk free on trail I only take him on these old railroad bed trails that are super easy footing . And so he's walking relaxed with his big stride. Yet the Mustang looks like she is floating over the most rugged terrain in almost silence.

[@SMTRodent]

This was good for learning so much about gradual improvements. Thank you for posting!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks for watching!

[@kimmieb8376]

You are an amazing trainer Mr. Rose. Thank you for sharing you’re knowledge with all of us.

[@dianereiser6417]

He looks so relaxed, that’s good.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

I dont see that. Weak rear.

[@tinaleitenberger2448]

I have a gelding who showed exactly the same problem. This doing an S form is a sign that he is trying to keep his balance. This stems from week hindlegs. Have you seen how he stands with the hindlegs out from the spot of balance? As he is asked to do small circles in the trot you can see a slight lameness. When getting tired the week hindleg will buckle. This happened to my gelding in the exact way as you see in this video. Now, two years later I got it fixed this way: groundwork after the academic art of riding school. The horse is led from the front on a cavesson (works like a bosal but has rings at the same spot as the knots of a knothalter to put a rope or reign to it). First of all the horse learns to yield his head down and to the side. If all is well with its spine and musles you can see that the inner hip rotates forward with the headyield. Now you can ask for this in motion at a walk. The horseman/woman is going backwards asking the horse to yield. You go backward in order to see what the head, spine and hip is doing. With a stick you can combine headyield and legcue by touching the spot you would touch with your leg. To strengthen the hindlegs you begin to ask for sidepass - travers, renvers and shoulder in. Additionally you can teach your horse to rock backwards in order to give more responsibility to the hindlegs. All these things help the horse to find his balance. Now I am doing this for 10 minutes before riding. The horse has warmed up and I can see if there are any issues before riding. After I got on board I begin riding by asking for a shoulder in for the start. This way the horse will use the hindlegs to keep balance. All this helped my gelding so much that the falling problem has vanished. But I have to keep up the groundwork to keep it this way. I hope this will help other people facing this problem. On youtube there a videos on the academic art of riding so you can get an idea how the groundwork looks like.

[@sharonparbery6452]

You have such lovely energy, Ryan…nice!

[@Josiebeannn]

I'm learning so much from watching you! Keep it up :)

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thank you!

[@carrieplantinga4676]

Same here.

[@allisonconley6339]

So cool to see you on a warmblood 😃😃😃😃

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

I don’t always ride Warmbloods but when I do 😂

[@allisonconley6339]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@evyrichard3610]

tx a mil for this. am riding a club horse , warm blood (polo retired) and he has the same weird kick in the neck, and LOTS of go. I ride English (I live in Dublin, Ireland), but your tips are really interesting and hopefully will help with his emotional control and relaxing. I really enjoy your videos, you are really empathic and kind.

[@lainahiller4146]

Great job as always. Just wondering if this horse should have an evaluation and treatment/strengthening program without being ridden for a while.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Horse failed on a turn. His rear is weak

[@k9partnership382]

Would love to have an update on this horse whether he had wobblers or not. But also, I had a horse that fell from under me a few times, then he was fine for about a year. Then the same thing happened again. I figured out both times it was in the fall and he had been eating a weed that caused the problem. Turned over and replanted the pasture and it never happened again.

[@dawncurtis9997]

Really enjoyed this video.

[@dougalvis]

Horse dragging his feet & swishing tail could indicate he is feeling some pain and that fits the other behaviors described including falling. Has he checked for injury?

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

He’s been checked very extensively by a veterinarian.

[@marciamcgrail5889]

I agree bc I thought his tail is held slightly off centre just before he stumbled - has his back been x-rayed? Veterinarians vary in their expertise in these complex issues. It wouldn't do any harm giving a painkiller trial as it would help establish if he is in pain. He is a good horse trying to hide something fairly significant imho.

[@alyssaPDF]

I do appreciate the horse is doing better with Mr Rose and his good training! Strengthening through good training and PT will of course help any physical problem. However in my professional opinion this horse definitely has a physical problem. It can be seen at every gait that it is not normal, including standstill. I know he has been checked but even good vets can miss things. Has he been to a hospital for a work up? I too have seen cases MUCH milder than this horse, be diagnosed through spinal tap with unfortunately sad results. There are also rarer things such as pinched nerves, old breaks, chips, etc which can only be found with extensive work ups unfortunately. (Or possibly a chiropractor...i wont exclude that as si problems are far more common than we used to believe) Ive seen and heard so many unbelievable things in my career its too much to list here.

[@brandyknoebel1271]

He moves like my horse who has been deemed "assymetrical"/chronic damage/injury

[@SB-ll1tt]

Check his right side. He kept looking at it. He fell through it a couple of times. Get him checked out for sure.

[@chrisunderwood2524]

May i suggest having the stifles checked out..my boy did this but worse he would come colapsing straight down onto his belly..scared the daylights out of me...vet came out and found that both muscles was not hard ...she had me do certain exercises. To strengthen them up....and it worked...

[@kims2735]

This was super interesting Ryan thank you.

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

You bet, thanks for the watching

[@kimtoledokt]

Love watching! Enjoy learning a lot about horse's

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Thanks

[@sarahwagland1559]

When I first got my mare she was unsure about putting one foot in front of the other. She lacked muscle and was anxious and depressed. Her chest was concave so she walked like an old lady. She was a bit lame behind and bunny hopped in canter on the left rein. Her worry cup filled rapidly and she'd suddenly look terrified and buck you off. It's taken me 4 years to make a radical improvement and I still have a way to go. Never underestimate the impact bad handling can have on a horse and how it can manifest in many different ways. In cases like this you have to learn to be a psychologist, physiotherapist/osteopath and spiritualist. Patience, mindfulness and humility is required. A knowledge of yoga, pilates and Tai Chi helps and a belief in God is essential. Vets of course have their place but sometimes drugs and surgery are not the answer. I wonder how many horses are put down because they are simply emotional and physical wrecks whose confidence has been destroyed by insensitive hands. Helping horses like this is very hard work but a deeply rewarding labour of love. I thank God every day for giving me my horse. If I listen He has all the answers and gives me the strength to help her on the path to wellness, wholeness and peace.

[@paulinewoodhouse5175]

Have to say his hind action is very similar to my 15 year old mare who fractured her pelvis Nov 2019, started working her in new year with ground work, been sat on her for last couple months, has had few sessions with physio, needs lot slow hill work to build up hind end, wonder if he had any injury in the hind end

[@equestriantestsandpatterns9220]

Very good video. I also believe foundation is so important to a well-trained horse. They are not task-oriented as we are. They think in the moment. I have a tip with the microphone cutting out. This used to happen with some of my videos, so I bought a hand-held recorder with a port for a microphone and would use that instead of the microphone and make sure I talked near the camera a few times so the video and audio could be sync'd up post-production in my video software. It works and is a lot cheaper than buying a super long distance blue-tooth microphone. Here's a short example. Video Excerpt: Half-circle, half turn-on-the-forehand to half pass - KZbin

[@camillehank7617]

Seems like a teal nice horse

[@oldcowgirl6418]

You have a job on your hands with this one. I think he is sensitive, confused by former training, and is unsure. He looks like he is trying to side pass in the back when he is forward in the front and he trips. He does swish his tail alot. There certainly is some disconect. I sure hope you can help this one, and can't wait to see how! Thanks for an interesting video.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

The horse is in pain.

[@marylyncahn102]

Your approach to this horse is wonderful! I know he's been checked extensively by a veterinarian. I wonder if they have checked him for EPM? The word weird is definitely a word that describes things horses do when they have EPM-weakness in hindquarters especially more on one side. Just thinking...

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

He had a full neurological exam done and is fully cleared for training. Making good progress every day. Here’s the next video on him kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH3EqZqKatiXr6M

[@marylyncahn102]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Thank you! I'm glad he's making progress.

[@lucasa1849]

You gotta remember he moves certain ways for a reason. And it's not like he wants to, but he feels like he needs to for whatever reason. He might need to do that to stay balanced or relieve pain. A really cool way to convince the nervous-system another way of moving is possible is by setting up situations and challanges where he naturally takes that new position. Like hind end engagement when going up and down hills. You're not asking him to, but he just naturally does it because he has to to succesfully get up and down the hill. Or something like navigating different obstacles for body awareness. No wonder he gets emotional when you try to influnce the way he moves and carries himself. In his mind you're pulling him off balance and asking him to do things he doesn't understand or believes he can't do. (Also, you can see that when he speeds up (or gets impulsive like you said) it is to catch his balance.) A reason he could be so dominant towards other horses is because he feels insecure in his own body, not balanced and not grounded (or in pain) . I very much agree with making sure the horse does not rely on you for balance. But then you should set them up for succes also. If the horse can't stay balanced on his own with a rider (weight) on his back, practice on the ground untill he can. I he can't stay balanced on his own at the trot, pranctice at the walk untill he can. If the horse gets emotional and/or stumbles and falls, you're asking too much too soon.

[@gingercox6468]

I think it takes a special kind of courage to work with horses.

[@sandrawhisler1545]

I see this was posted quite a while ago. Has there been any follow up on neuro issues with this horse (with a specialist). It is so obvious that he moves in a stiff way in his back end. It would be nice to know if the work you did was able to fix the issues or if he was eventually diagnosed with a neurological problem. Thanks for keeping free videos up.

[@leahmellor3015]

This was really interesting because my lad can be like this and you have explained and given me an idea of what to work on to help my lad just take that responsibility without getting overwhelmed thank you. Thank you.

[@deefroom4066]

not active enough behind, that's why he trips but impressive what he's got so far. Yes. He's falling out through his shoulder a bit at times but love this 😀

[@Kholoured]

Agreed, he also brings his inside hind way too far under himself on the circle,, which may be why he is stumbling and falling as he is unbalancing himself. His hind is weak compared to his shoulder his hind is much smaller then his front. Nothing that,some exercise and experience can't fix. He's a beautiful boy

[@daveflannigan6685]

He seems to drag his right rear leg and wants to trot like a trotter or Tennessee Walker.

[@howtohorsewhisper]

What is is hind end conformation? Is he cowhocked? Moves similarly to a warm blood gelding i had. This horse’s hind end is short strides, moves more out the back, looks sometimes stiff, rather than coming under his belly. Needs lots of strengthening work!!

[@sherryw-ponyluv-er2394]

I can’t help but wonder what an equine chiropractor would find, but he is improving for sure!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

He’s been 💯✅ by vet and needs strengthening and training 👍👌

[@HerbMoore3]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship is the vet a chiropractor? 🤔

[@stephaniekampine1951]

Ryan Rose: I love your videos. But please, watch your own video…. Watch this horse closely. Humor those of us who think this horse is not sound. I’m a believer in CHIROPRACTIC medicine after it helped me when the medical doctors were lost. Wish he could talk. Watch his ears… he is having pain.

[@gingercox6468]

It seems a nutty thing to try to get a horse to understand round. But it is a hard thing to do.

[@archangel807]

Beautiful, big horse....

[@mariantaylor554]

The body positioning that he gets into. I have a horse who did weird things to her neck etc. I have a horse trainer /instructor who also does simple body work. She will address the neck issues and other places and the lesson for horse and rider will go much better. Just a thought.

[@michellehoyt7184]

Worked a couple warmbloods... hind ends not quite connected and could falter and weak like his.... they were wobblers, need to blindfold test them.

[@TheMindwin]

There is something wrong with the horse step of the back feet, the step a little bit awkward, looks like a muscle or bone problem

[@sandrawhisler1545]

Ignore previous, since was cleared up in the next video.

[@bitbybitfarmseast3085]

Hope it isn't Wobbler's syndrome-sure looks like the beginnings of it. I would be concerned about riding on anything but flat ground. Definitely brave of Ryan to try to help him.

[@gin.hollan]

Part of me wonders if he needs a chiropractor. (I posted this before reading comments. I saw that he was checked by a vet/vets, but it's worth noting that Vets frequently don't understand how to feel for chiro issues.)

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Check out the latest video we just dropped on this horse. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH3EqZqKatiXr6M

[@memethomas5402]

Theres a nerve that runs across the girth area on side of belly. If the girth is pressing to tightly on the nerve...horse will fall or refuse to move.

[@dfe1497]

looks like he is having a issue with his back legs

[@katiekayla1]

Has this horse been tested for epm? That hind end giving out & falling down to me just seems way odd. Also wanting to counterbend to that extreme could also be neck issues(wobblers)… seems to have some sorta neuro issues.

[@jessica-walt]

I would not feel comfortable riding this horse. Maybe he needs a better farrier but his toe first landing with every step makes me nervous. He essentially shuffles his feet

[@Ullabrittnielsen]

Where is part one?? 😊

[@bethalvarez6956]

He loses his tracking and then finds it again

[@shall2130]

This colt appears to be short stepping in the rear. He just doesn't seem to have the strength to get his right leg all the way up underneath him, as I saw him stumble.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Very weak rear for whatever reason

[@p.dangelico6143]

I’ve seen this often in big young warmbloods. Loose stifles.

[@elisabethandersen1102]

Youre absolutely right, the stifles are completely off

[@KingsMom831]

Hey Ryan👋🏼 Do you & Emily ever make it to the west coast? Or how far west do you make it for clinics? Are you currently do any?

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Sometimes I go to auburn, CA but not this year.

[@KingsMom831]

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Dang! I would definitely try to make it next time you are in Auburn. Is it usually a weekend type clinic?

[@anamariapatrulescu3137]

do you have any tips for communicating with a horse?

[@truthofthematter9409]

That pretty boy needs more strength in his hind quarters!

[@ryanrosehorsemanship]

Definitely

[@photodivainwa]

I suggest that he should see a chiropractor that works on horses if you haven’t already. He may not be in alignment.

[@Ullabrittnielsen]

Looks to me like a horse whose been worked to much on bending the neck, not larning to use his body balanced and healthy. So many dressage horses suffer from this.

[@appylover5283]

He doesn’t look right in his hind legs which could explain his unbalanced, has he been checked for wobblers

[@callyb54]

I agree. Watching him trot, he looks very unbalanced and uneven in his hind legs.

[@arribaficationwineho32]

Sad that people want to blame it on behavior

[@jaxjax4813]

@@arribaficationwineho32 That's because they're ignorant...

[@lakota123max]

I would get that horses hocks and knees X-rayed and get him checked for EPM … it is best treated early before the horse develops incorrectly … I had a lovely warm blood gelding that had EPM and we didn’t treat him early enough and he was put down at 11 yrs old after many years of not being able to be ridden … he had a good life tho till then:)

[@rawr1ruby]

Typically I don’t comment on this sort of stuff…the online experts are loud enough as it is ha. But I can’t help being concerned by the similarities of this WB and my horse that sadly had to be euthanised . Great temperament, but very green. We kept hitting walls in his training. Initially it was subtle, sloppy around corners, little stumble here are there. I thought perhaps it was my lack of experience so I sent him off to a trainer. 3 wks later we agreed something wasn’t right, but couldn’t put our finger on it. It really did feel like he was trying his hardest. It took several trips to the vet, 3 lots of X-rays & a spinal specialist to get an answer(ish). Compression in c2/3 A step down in the C6&c7 vertebrae in the neck. A non definitive diagnosis of wobblers (a conclusive diagnosis would’ve required myelogram with dynamic radiographs a Cervical Vertebral Stenotic Myelopathy). But the uncoordinated hind end was identical to this WB. And that stabbing in his gait may be indicative of a him not knowing where his legs are and what his body is doing. I’m sure they’ve looked into it. But wobblers is a dynamic disease and the presentation can vary wildly depending on the day. He passed a lameness check one day and then completely bombed a neurological exam on the next. Anyway, it was superbly ridden ❤ just wanted to share my experience as it was a very expensive road of instructors and trainers that probably could’ve been avoided.

[@dawnhartzell2629]

My horse did that when she was upset some times. Like her back legs would lock up. Scary. 6:26

[@sp474]

Please seek a second or third medical opinion for this horse. He is clearly not right in his hind end hes stumbling all over the place. I couldnt watch all the way through.

[@britneysilveria4820]

6 min in and... from experience here with these weakness wonky moments tripping falling... there is definitely something wrong. Could be so many things, but ones I've experienced that have these same movement issues - neurological, epm, DSLS... I hope he gets diagnosed 😢

[@HobbitHomes263]

Many western saddles weigh 1/2 of a jockey!

[@barbjohns2608]

that horse has a physical defect in his hind or his hocks its more noticable on the offside .

[@Earthismadeoflayers]

Im struggling to find the first video

[@lynnkrenz4136]

His back L leg is crossing over his right when he trots, and something strange in his L front leg too-what do you think causing that?

[@MH3GL]

Any possibility of this being due to neurological issues, maybe a pinched nerve?

[@bridgetteringley1631]

EPM?

[@kyliejones8827]

If you haven't already found the answer, EPM is Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis. It's a neorologic disease in horses (ie. affects central nervous system).

[@NewYearGrandpa]

His hind quarters seem like it is not strong. His lower legs also kinda twist with his steps. Slow is better for him to build stregnth, balance, limberness. He kinda pulls his back side in. Pinched nerve or ligaments. Back hips buckled. Problably not supposed to canter him.

[@susanness2454]

Has this beautiful horse been checked out for “clumsy syndrome” ? It’s difficult to diagnose and could be the cause of weakness and falling.

[@janegood8372]

I would like to see you ride him again after he has had a couple of complete Chiropractic adjustments! I bet you would see a big change!

[@arribaficationwineho32]

He is lame in the rear and should not be ridden

[@comesahorseman]

ECVM??

[@phoenixx6380]

He looks like he might have some kind of nerve damage or disability in his off-hind. Especially when he's being turned to the right. He possibly does not have full power in that hip or leg because he can't get it. It would explain the falling and tripping. Could be a nerve problem in the back, hip or stifle. Could be temporary (nerves take a year to heal from damage) or permanent. Poor boy. Just had another look - he has problems with both his hindlegs, hindend basically. Get a good vet. And check for a brain tumour or epilepsy too. Otherwise your training is for nought.

[@theequestrianexplorer]

I was thinking nerves too. Possibly EPM. My horse was just diagnosed and her symptoms were super subtle, and what I thought was lameness. Sometimes her back end gives out and she just doesn’t seem to carry herself right.

[@phoenixx6380]

@@theequestrianexplorer Thanks, I agree! I strongly feel there is something neurological going on. It's not normal. Could be related to wobbler syndrome. Could also be a tumour in the spine. So many things. Mark Todd had a super horse that would have fits of falling over, and eventually they had to put him down. Can't remember what the autopsy result was.

[@mashley444]

I’m thinking a good vet check might be in order, because no matter what he shouldn’t be losing his hindquarters like that.

[@tracyhill7960]

This says it is part 1 isnt it?

[@cosmicfantasies]

You should get a Horse Cyropractor. Maybe that'll help a little bit

[@jessicalmcdaniel9878]

Are you engaging his hindquarters/one rein stop? Or just picking up inside rein and inside leg and bringing him down that way?

[@arribaficationwineho32]

That is not a reining issue

[@berres86]

Turn subtitles please

[@myradeen1]

Well is this horse going along great or cripple or dead? Show me he is better and ill give you a c note

[@keelsmac01]

Sooo, he’s not following his head. All twisted and you don’t believe it’s physical? What did he do in his prior life? You’re doing great..but I wish you’d let him build his hind quarters. I don’t see a lot of muscle. Could be the camera.

[@elenadiazrodrigez3871]

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[@bethalvarez6956]

I would love to follow the sources progress I’m not a vet I don’t play one on TV I’ve been riding my entire life and I’m older than I want to admit but he’s dragging his right hind toe and moving that leg funny I know you’ve had vetted I don’t even have to ask but it just seems somethings not right maybe neurological I don’t know I’m just curious about what I’m seeing and what the truth is

[@juliehagan3853]

His right hind leg looks stiff when it's in motion. Almost like dragging it, not stepping .

[@ashlynhope2659]

I can almost promise you he has EPM just by knowing his symptoms

[@leese7420]

EPM? Please Explain. Thank You 😌

[@ashlynhope2659]

@@leese7420 EPM is a neurological disease from parasites that are found in possum poop. If the horse ingests it, the parasite can eat at their nervous system causing all the symptoms described into this video and more.

[@christinemoore517]

I'd say your right on! I spotted a neurological problem just from his way of movement. Very likely you've hit the nail on the head in my view!

[@christinemoore517]

@@leese7420 just google EPM horse

[@christinemoore517]

I do understand Mr Rose's approach though. First you've got to rule out regular causes for the weak hind end and imbalance from other sources. It's a difficult thing to diagnose.