Henri Matisse vs. Pablo Picasso: MoMA curators interview (2003)

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[@philippesauvie639]

I really enjoyed listening to these two scholars talk about my two favorite artist of all time! My own art has been a posthumous dialogue between Matisse and Picasso for many years. while I unfortunately was unable to see this exhibit I did see the Matisse retrospective at MOMA in 1992 and about 10 years ago I saw a splendid Picasso exhibit in Seattle from the collection of the Muse’ Picasso. Both of these exhibit still inform what I do today.

[@expressoevangelism80]

What a joy to learn from the intimacy of the exchanges in these two great men. It is really good to know that we can learn from very close origins, rather than so many art reviewers who write from their own ideas based from documented history which they can only do as a result of their place in time.

[@howardhill3395]

This contrast really deepens our understanding of both artists. Thank you for a great video.

[@toddaulner5393]

To me, Picasso was like a UFC fighter, boxer and wrestler. Well rounded and inventive.

[@markjennings2605]

I love the curators sense of wonder about the artists work . Academics can become mechanised to their subjects .....and these guys have retained their sensitivity. I love that they never asked themselves who was the better artist !!! They dropped the 'versus' .

[@sarahpovey6368]

Theres no competition here,i think (my opinion)putting these two geniuses together gives you the espect of learning from both artists great show❤

[@LeoulB]

i like how he's not so subtly comparing the relationship between Matisse and Picasso with that of these two curators. This channel really knows how to pick em. Please suggest other interviews like this.

[@tblack9711]

Come on, Charlie. There is no greatest artist because art is not a competition. Each artist is different and those differences are what makes us interesting.

[@bethbartlett5692]

True. It's reflective of our Society having been so fostered in "the Game" aka "Sports". Media, particularly News Media, has such a vast and powerful influence on our Culture, and our "Thought Program" aka "Subconscious Thought Program". Rarely does the Public realize how powerful their influence, and that is a potentially dangerous oversight.

[@riddhimasarraf8341]

Really many thanks as I never heard such a deep discussion in India by any Curator...

[@robertmather6152]

What a wonderful, educational presentation. To both curators thank you for sharing your deep study and understanding of the artists. Personally, I miss Charlie Rose as I believe he was one of the best interviewers on TV.

[@groovypix3117]

Thank God, i found your video in the midst preparation of my assignment related to both of them. Even though we are far apart from the original artworks but with this video it sounds so near and knew both of them. Thanks again from Malaysia👍👍👍

[@andrewwebb4635]

Thank you for a wonderful revealing video. I wish I’d seen that exhibition!

[@wordscapes5690]

I have always felt that Picasso was the greater genius but Matisse was the greater artist.

[@Billart]

Well done analyses of so many issues a great help - getting a handle on on few things that have escaped me up until to now. I knew Kirk a bit who kindly spent some time with me during the MoMA press opening of the Jackson Pollock opening just after his speeches & very kind. Surpisingly Charlie held his own very well guiding things with sharpness & precision. I of course saw that very key show. I would still put Picasso on top but now much better see that they had a long very competitive mutually advantageous dialogue where they were both became further aesthetivally liberated & strengthened.

[@letsif]

This discussion deepened my appreciation for both artists. Thank you

[@lukegibson2195]

huh ? ... cut-out stuff ? ..... childish - silly - holds my interest for 5 seconds - then - nope - on to better people - 26.34 cant paint very well either - cant paint hands - legs - feet - bad details - grade 2 art class - theres an art place in MOBA in Boston - museum of bad art - really bad art - perhaps they should enter him in for display too -

[@alternative7361]

I love it when great art historical minds get interviewed about great artists who were friends , rivals, opposites yet are equally the same... AND what do I think about Matisse and Picasso? ... There is a Thai saying I heard when in Bangkok , I asked a man if the bluejeans I was thinking of buying from him, a KOH San road street marketeer, were really Levi's, and he said "Yes ... same same but different." ... Matisse and Picasso are 'same same but different'. Note... Kirk Varnedoe was a great mind who decked the halls of MOMA and his death is a loss to art historians and artist alike.

[@indiansummer7674]

A pleasure to listen to two experts talk about Picasso & Matisse. Perhaps the interviewer should restrain himself from interuppting and let them finish their comments.

[@davidjames9626]

Very very engaging, if only general education had the same integrity of questioning..

[@rorygurrin7233]

brilliant Doco , for years I thought of a winner and loser scenario between the two. Thanks for the insight. I know from another Doco the other day on KZbin that they had a profound respect for each other but this fills a big hole in my understanding of the birth of modernism. Emotionally yours , thanks again, where have I been!!

[@quaranahmad7923]

captivating conversation

[@Sho.M]

Thank you for posting this interview.

[@surajkumarkashi3804]

Both are Great Artist. Thank you for this video.

[@polyethylene6773]

The three stooges of modern art Cezanne, Matisse, Picasso are the most over-rated artists ever. Read about in my book "Modern Art a Portrait of Mediocrity." On Amazon

[@christopherdennis4280]

Thanks Charlie for a great show and career. Miss you. You and Leonard Lopate.

[@cagnazzo82]

I thought I was the only one. Miss them both tremendously.

[@thumbprint7150]

But however much you admired his interviewing style, surely it is a good thing that a man who behaved so appallingly to those around him who were much less powerful was taken off air? So many people are surely not making up stories? I don't personally find anything exceptional about his technique however and we are all replaceable.

[@riddhimasarraf8341]

Thank you, we come to know many interesting facts ...

[@jamesanonymous2343]

This one is a "Keeper", can be viewed repeatedly over time and each visit shows some new thought overlooked previously,,,,,,,, a "continuum" !

[@rodgerharris6787]

Surely very interesting interview and makes one think and observe both artists life's and artistic styles !

[@kimberlee9608]

Here they present this concept of juxtaposition as if it’s totally unheard of,!and yet in the next breath they try to shade the Barnes for not loaning their paintings for this exhibit… Maybe it’s because all the paintings in the Barnes collection are part of an expansive gallery presentation where juxtaposition is ITS WHOLE DEAL! Not only paintings but also furniture, decorative fixtures, masks, pottery, and more. All of them talk as if they’re the smartest person in the room…

[@cityman-mv6st]

Matisse speaks through colors Picasso speaks through forms , imho.

[@issues9828]

Matisse's composition was SO MUCH SIMPLER than Picasso's --- I find very little in Matisse's composition that challenges me. Same with color. The complexity of Picasso's colors is so much more satisfying.

[@claudebregaint]

👏🏾👏🧚🌞😘thank you....

[@renzo6490]

I admire and respect Picasso's work. But, I Love Matisse's !!

[@johnAsanz]

Fascinating. Was there a catalogue accompanying this exhibition??

[@oilartworks9124]

That was more than interesting. It sure got me thinking about changes done on 2 older projects of mine and made me think of stepping back into the tennis court. I'll need some time since I have several projects, however reinvention isn't a problem for me, it's a must!

[@lukegibson2195]

huh ? ... cut-out stuff ? ..... childish - silly - holds my interest for 5 seconds - then - nope - on to better people - 26.34 cant paint very well either - cant paint hands - legs - feet - bad details - grade 2 art class - theres an art place in MOBA in Boston - museum of bad art - really bad art - perhaps they should enter him in for display too -

[@oilartworks9124]

@@lukegibson2195 Was that an actual response, because if it was, it sure wasn't clear. 😂 If you can differentiate good from bad art, ... Let's see your work. 🤔

[@boschevartist]

Excellent!!

[@evelynramos445]

Cast of dancing figures, title to my works in mid 70's un- Ruben kadish class.

[@SwordOfTheRaven]

Charlie rose gave great interview

[@franknemeth7430]

No radio - no TV no internet - no high tech ---- basic life - a different time and place .

[@bandicoot5412]

Night and day

[@HolographicSweater]

charlie rose is an awful listener, he doesnt hear anything! an essential quality for a television interviewer.

[@IamWadeHeineman]

Note at 28:39 Charlie Rose's revelation after the guy says "for Picasso, the models aren't there- so for Picasso, sex is IN THE HEAD" (exploration, trying to find what he likes by exploring in the mind)

[@evanescapades2513]

“Who is better” is such an invalid and illogical question... unless they were both painting the exact same paintings based on the same exact themes.....(but just between u & me, Matisse couldn’t carry Picasso’s jockstrap)

[@KpxUrz5745]

I've studied both artists for a good number of decades, and I consider them equals. I hold them both in the highest regard. Having said that, I think about Picasso day and night, and Matisse less often, I honestly must say.

[@evanescapades2513]

@@KpxUrz5745 i have realise that now i want to study Matisse coz i never really gave him a chance when i posted that statement...thank you for your honest and lovely reply

[@FelipeGoes]

Amazing!

[@joegee1000]

Unfortunately Mr. Varnedoe passed away not many months after this interview.

[@pangtan349]

GOOD DISCUSSION ON ART ELEMENTS-----SINGAPORE TAN OE PANG

[@silverhopeful]

Who Wins? Matisse, hands down. Picasso was always overtated.

[@victorortiz1991]

Speak for yourself. Someone who REALLY appreciates art loves both and both are winners..

[@airmark02]

Yes Matisse of course ~ although brilliant ~ Picasso was always trying to catch up with his Cyclops faces & a lot of messy throw away paintings.

[@NCbassfishing24]

Matisse was great, but never equaled Guernica. That's a once-in-a-century caliber work.

[@thelantern9075]

As brutal as images Picasso could paint, he was a much more sophisticated and creative painter than Matisse. Picasso recognized a more unique form of beauty IMO.

[@silverhopeful]

@@thelantern9075 I certainly understand your lean towards Picasso. It isn't his brutality that made my opinion, I found that to be somewhat gratitous , its just that the more I learned to paint,(40 years) almost every style, I understood their techniques and inspirations differently., and IMO his limitations were his sense of colour. He was an exceptional drawer for sure, and obvioiusly a great artist. I am just not a huge fan.

[@pangtan349]

他们两大画家都有深厚基本功而油韵一流毕有时间本质马有生活本质两者作品都返朴归真

[@TheShaneBot]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[@bethbartlett5692]

It requires a clinical perspective in order for it to not affect ones future thoughts and feelings on the subject. It is a great example of how Media, particularly News Media infiltrates our Subconscious Mind and becomes part of our "Subconscious Thought Program", ie: Beliefs. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@bethbartlett5692]

During the Picasso and Matisse, Personality Comparison: (beginning @ 8:01) Picasso was Congenial, but not Social. Matisse was Social not Congenial. - Kirk Varnedoe ... and @ 9:59 Matsise, being irritated at a recognition, a welcoming, and making the comment, "Oh, they must think Im Picasso" ... A statement that could Only be interpreted by: ("It's not what you say, but how you say it."), 🔹As the statement can either be a quick witt humor, or it can be an arrogant remark. John Elderfield leads us to interpret the comment more so on the latter. Matisse sounds competitive, from a personal insecutity, and possibly on more than one level. The statement a "Tell" of Matisse having "a nerve of insecurity". This brings to mind our ("Human Ego Mind, aka Lower Mind, aka Adolescent Mind "). Point being, how much we can miss in the value of our Life Journey when we arent aware of and/or dont establish a habit of being "Conscious in Thought" + "Applying Higher Mind", aka Mature Mind, where all the Positive Thought Energies and Wisdom reside. The Lower Mind holds all the negative thought energies, and are associated with Ego and Adolescence, yet to emotionally develop into maturity. Academics, Artists, Sports Stars, Celebrities, etc, are more visible and therefore, when apparent, its more easily recognized as having a large ego, particularly when arrogant. Elderfield refers to Mat8sse as "Gentile", but if that were the case, he wouldn't have made the statement, an Authentic Gentile requires the Higher Mind, it's necessary to be fully genuine. Picasso remains the most recognized, Publically, he remains a prominent Star in his field, he is overwhelmingly one of the top 5 best known artists of all time. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@katiamarin9425]

❤️

[@chelseamarieolivera8738]

amazing!!

[@andybaldman]

How does Varnedoe, who was born in Georgia, and lived in NYC, end up having a Canadian accent?

[@DesertVox]

I still CANNOT take the likes of Picasso and Matisse as serious and fine artists. At best, they were revolutionaries who used anti-art as art. It's not art per se.

[@elektrozil9728]

This is actually what ignited the L.A. riots .

[@kingsleysaxon9710]

Virtuosity would have been enough in the 20thC had it not been for Picasso's personality. Picasso was positive narcissist. Matisse was benevolent sensualist. The former catches the attention of the base audience.

[@timothyhill1149]

the warrior thing? its made me think

[@pangtan349]

💫👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@katrussell6819]

Rose blew it.

[@jamesanonymous2343]

doess any of this "STUFF" really matter ?

[@jamesanonymous2343]

yes it does, try to keep an open mind, and this will be apparent,

[@airmark02]

yes ~ as long as *team Matisse* wins! 😊😅😋😆🤣

[@jhb61249]

Yes, if you want it too!

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[@expressoevangelism80]

I find it interesting to hear from people who have close connection with these men. I’m an artist and it interests me as to how the works developed as a result of events and inter-reactions. I can understand your question. If you’re not interested, then it doesn’t matter.

[@evelynramos445]

There 2, according into class

[@victorortiz1991]

This is that gangsta shit. 👍🔥🔥🔥

[@janie7242]

Too bad, the host Charlie Rose had a sexual scandal in previous years. It really hard to watch all this video, his program no longer have creditability any more. The long shadow cast on what he did! The darkest side of a human being! 😆😣😏😠😜

[@jhb61249]

When you go to a restaurant or clothing store or other place of business, do you check out the political morality of the many people responsible for manufacturing product, etc prior to your purchase? Hippocracy built into politics and commerce will lead to downfall of society.

[@geraldrivest1072]

I sure miss his show.He mastered the art of the interview!

[@NCbassfishing24]

His mistreatment of women hasn't detracted from the fruits of his skills as an interviewer. Those last just like the pain he likely inflicted.

[@kienstar7]

18:35

[@pixels2u]

Appears to be some crazy correlation between being an artsy fartsy art curator and growing prolific facial moles. Anyhow! love the art (tho Picasso was a flaming narcissist and misogynist).

[@pangtan349]

毕氏的画是时间的本质一一原始 馬蒂斯画是生活本质一一归真 两者的油画油韵世界一流 你们的对话啟发后代人 Singapore TanOePang say

[@kungshih3881]

公石

[@anbernika]

P I c a s s o

[@carolisherwood493]

Picssso was a narcissist

[@lukegibson2195]

huh ? ... cut-out stuff ? ..... childish - silly - holds my interest for 5 seconds - then - nope - on to better people - 26.34 cant paint very well either - cant paint hands - legs - feet - bad details - grade 2 art class - theres an art place in MOBA in Boston - museum of bad art - really bad art - perhaps they should enter him in for display too -

[@toddaulner5393]

Reading body language, this is a train wreck!

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[@edwingabrielfernandez9692]

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